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| pboddie | jacob22: Don't know whether you're active on the channel right now, but do you mind if I make some superficial edits to the SponsorOffers page? | 00:43 |
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| xorAxAx | hi pboddie | 00:47 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: regarding the logo linking issue | 00:48 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: Hello! | 00:48 |
| xorAxAx | i should note that current versions of moin do not endorse the usage of http with a relative path anymore | 00:48 |
| xorAxAx | and i was wondering whether you could add the hostname to the logo hrefs to make it work on safari :-) | 00:49 |
| xorAxAx | now that nearly every windows user will migrate to safari thanks to itunes in the next weeks :-) | 00:49 |
| pboddie | It's funny because I wasn't really aware of such URLs until I saw a blog post about them a while back: | 00:50 |
| pboddie | http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200710/httphttps_transitions_and_relative_urls.html | 00:50 |
| pboddie | I've changed the URLs now, anyway. | 00:50 |
| xorAxAx | cool | 00:50 |
| pboddie | Yes, there's a nice way of asking, isn't there? ;-) | 00:50 |
| xorAxAx | well, pretty weird that the EP lists seem to consist of cms salesmen only :-) | 00:51 |
| pboddie | I guess we're all amateurs, using such unproven solutions as MoinMoin. | 00:51 |
| pboddie | The tried-and-tested antidote is always at hand: http://zope-is-evil-666.idyll.org/ | 00:52 |
| pboddie | ;-) | 00:52 |
| xorAxAx | LOL | 00:52 |
| xorAxAx | hmm, titus | 00:52 |
| xorAxAx | unfortunately a bit old and doesnt have enough colours to convince solution strategy decision makers | 00:53 |
| xorAxAx | " Zope will, no doubt, turn into a fine, easy-to-use, wonderful product some day." -- see, he even anticipated grok back then | 00:54 |
| pboddie | True, but it always gets a reaction. The usual, "No!!! Zope's not like that any more!" | 00:54 |
| pboddie | A suitably timed "yeah right!" only amplifies the response. | 00:55 |
| pboddie | I actually liked Zope back in the day, even though the guts of it are quite horrible. | 00:55 |
| pboddie | As for Safari on Windows, I heard that it was a dog. Steve Jobs' reality distortion field failed to penetrate the Gatesphere successfully. | 00:57 |
| xorAxAx | well, its certainly a tough choice to choose zope. and i guess there are even tougher ones ... but most probably not in the python environment | 00:58 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: today i read that one of the first things jobs did when he installed him back again into apple was to shutdown the newton series | 00:59 |
| xorAxAx | "Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection. But that usually will create another problem." -- david wheeler. i wonder if he got to know zope | 01:01 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: I don't mind at all, but I'd be very happy if you sent me a diff with the cahnges. | 01:01 |
| pboddie | Jobs is probably responsible for both saving Apple and almost running it into the ground, plus making the working environment unbearable for lots of people, if you read various tales about corporate life there. | 01:01 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: i didnt do the latter, what did he change? | 01:02 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I could edit it in place and then you could diff it, perhaps. But I can do the other way if you'd prefer. | 01:02 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: Jobs? | 01:02 |
| xorAxAx | yes | 01:03 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: Well, he founded NeXT and was presumably distracted sufficiently with Pixar for people to make decent enough products for a while. Merging Apple with NeXT was what saved Apple really. | 01:04 |
| xorAxAx | i mean the working env part :-) | 01:04 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: I don't have the exact text on the wiki locally, and I'd like to see what changed without having to read the whole thing, trying to remember what I said originally. | 01:04 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I guess many changes would be "Europython" to "EuroPython" and such stuff, unless there are reasons for it to be the former. Then, I'd dive in a bit deeper. In any case, if I change it, I can generate a diff. | 01:05 |
| jacob22 | If it is just cosmetic edits, I don't need diffs. If you want to add or take away things, or change prices I need to know. | 01:06 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: Lots of stories about people doing stuff while pretending all along that they're doing what Jobs asked them. Stuff about people actually working on things after having been let go, too. (I think the latter involved the guy who wrote some scientific calculator application that people liked.) | 01:06 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I'll start with the superficial. I don't generally feel comfortable with the whole offer terms, prices and conditions, so I'll probably stay out of that unless there's something which doesn't seem right. | 01:07 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: so, that was in the old days? or why would jobs have an opinion/order about such small stuff assuming that he is the CEO? :-) | 01:07 |
| pboddie | xorAxAx: What was Jobs back in the old days, anyway? | 01:08 |
| pboddie | As for the Newton, that was a shame. It'd be more than a decent product now. | 01:08 |
| xorAxAx | well, there were these founding days ... then lisa, the mac and then he quit | 01:09 |
| pboddie | There was a story about people putting an ARM CPU in an Apple 2-like machine which obviously ran like a rocket. They shut that project down pretty quickly. | 01:09 |
| xorAxAx | an enthusiasts' project? or an internal one? | 01:10 |
| pboddie | I think everything you read about him indicates that he would stamp his foot at not getting his own way, get kicked off the project by the people with any authority over him, then he'd go and ruin something else. I suppose it was good fortune that the Mac was successful, even though the Lisa was vastly superior technologically, and making the Mac a cut-price clone of the Lisa trashed Jef Raskin's project. | 01:11 |
| pboddie | An internal one, so I once heard. This was probably in the Acorn scene, but it makes sense: most of the Acorn RISC computers were in essence just BBC micros with ARM CPUs and a bunch of varnish on the surface, at least where the OS was concerned. | 01:12 |
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| pboddie | Actually, that blog post is about scheme-relative URLs, but it opens the door to various URL tricks that people generally don't know about. | 01:18 |
| xorAxAx | yes | 01:18 |
| xorAxAx | hmm, jobs earns more of disney than anybody else (and even "Disney family member Roy E. Disney, who holds about 1% of the company's stock") | 01:21 |
| pboddie | Of course, the browser developers know about those tricks. I wonder if urllib and friends can make sense of them, though. | 01:21 |
| pboddie | Every time Disney comes up, I always think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Sayle%27s_Stuff | 01:26 |
| pboddie | jacob22: The 85%/10%/5% split between the regions mentioned in the text: is that typical over EuroPython's history? | 01:29 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: Yes, that is what I estimate it to be. I made some statistics in 2004 and after that I don't think anybody has made a proper check. | 01:31 |
| pboddie | I looked at the figures from the last two years: http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Projections | 01:31 |
| pboddie | 2007: About 5.5% from North America, 4% from Africa/Asia/Australia. | 01:33 |
| pboddie | 2006: About 5% from North America, 10% from Africa/Asia/Australia. | 01:34 |
| pboddie | I don't know how reliable the Indico data was, though. | 01:35 |
| jacob22 | Ok, then we should change that. | 01:35 |
| jacob22 | I suggest saying about 5% from N. America and 10% from the rest of the world. | 01:36 |
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| pboddie | It's very variable. We could be vague unless there's something unusual behind last year's figures. | 01:37 |
| pboddie | Interesting about 10% having been to all the previous conferences. | 01:38 |
| pboddie | There's actually not much I would change in the text - it's very well written! | 01:39 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: he reminds me a bit of monty python, style-wise :) | 01:42 |
| xorAxAx | just that instead of the comics, there is this moped | 01:43 |
| pboddie | Are you familiar with his stuff? | 01:43 |
| xorAxAx | no, just watched a part of an episode on youtube | 01:44 |
| xorAxAx | ah, the opening titles :-) | 01:45 |
| pboddie | The Mickey Mouse fixation is very funny. | 01:48 |
| pboddie | He did a series called "Paris" which was very good, but not enough people watched it, so it got canned. | 01:49 |
| xorAxAx | http://youtube.com/watch?v=QHa_SQB8NB0&feature=related | 01:49 |
| pboddie | http://youtube.com/watch?v=pKbstkEXGxg&feature=related | 01:52 |
| pboddie | Don't know if that's the one about religion, though. | 01:53 |
| pboddie | Don't have Flash installed! | 01:53 |
| xorAxAx | lol, no, they are giving some hints to the pupils | 01:55 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: you dont need to - just use mplayer :-) | 01:55 |
| xorAxAx | and youtube-dl | 01:55 |
| pboddie | youtube-dl complains about the "t" parameter: | 01:58 |
| pboddie | Extracting URL "t" parameter... failed. | 01:58 |
| pboddie | Error: unable to extract URL "t" parameter. | 01:58 |
| pboddie | Try again several times. It may be a temporary problem. | 01:58 |
| pboddie | Where does one get a "t" parameter? ;-) | 01:59 |
| pboddie | Ah, it's the usual cat-and-mouse game solved by using a later version. | 02:03 |
| xorAxAx | yep | 02:05 |
| pboddie | VLC stepped up to show the video. | 02:06 |
| pboddie | Anyway, back to my CMS-deficient lifestyle. Night all! | 02:33 |
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| pboddie | Hello everyone! | 21:26 |
| pboddie | Do we have plans for another meeting? | 21:26 |
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| lac | pboddie: hardly anybody has doodled in. | 22:21 |
| lac | friday and tomorrow look the best, so far, but with 3 entries, its too soon | 22:22 |
| lac | I told people to please vote. | 22:22 |
| lac | http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=mihekia37g35ic9e | 22:23 |
| pboddie | Did the Doodle link get posted? | 22:23 |
| lac | several times | 22:23 |
| pboddie | Just in the channel, though, I guess. | 22:24 |
| lac | well I thought I had mailed it as well, but seems I didnät in the last mail I sent today | 22:25 |
| lac | so I replied to myself with the link. | 22:25 |
| lac | If I didn't post it, no wonder. | 22:25 |
| * lac blushes | 22:25 | |
| pboddie | It's on the Wiki now, anyway. I had forgotten to sign up. | 22:26 |
| lac | are all of Vincent Maton's proposals on the EP logo voting list | 22:26 |
| lac | or jus some of htem? I didn't go to the latest links he posted | 22:26 |
| pboddie | Yes, I think so. He added a few. | 22:26 |
| pboddie | There's already been some voting, so I think it all works. | 22:27 |
| pboddie | Did you figure out your user account? | 22:27 |
| lac | I have an lac account, I think | 22:34 |
| lac | or lac@openend.se | 22:34 |
| lac | this lac | 22:34 |
| lac | think lac | 22:34 |
| lac | and I sent the doodle to codespeak, not python.org, so no wonder. I am 3 sorts of idiot this weekend. | 22:35 |
| pboddie | No problem! I don't think the Wiki is set up to recover account details, however. | 22:38 |
| lac | aha, I am LauraCreighton | 22:51 |
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