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| MrTopf | the topic regarding the next meeting seems not to be correct ;-) | 11:36 |
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| *** dboddie changes topic to "EuroPython 2008 - import this | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/europython-irclog/ | mailing list at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/ | next meeting on Thursday 13th March at 19:00 CET" | 14:29 | |
| MrTopf | thanks, dboddie :) | 15:09 |
| MrTopf | I hope I don't miss it | 15:10 |
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| dboddie | Agenda here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting6 | 16:58 |
| dboddie | Very much like the last one. Please feel free to edit it. | 16:58 |
| MrTopf | I am actually not sure if I should go on with the blog ;-) | 17:36 |
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| dboddie | Are we ready? | 19:56 |
| dboddie | A recycled agenda from the last meeting is available here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting6 | 19:58 |
| pboddie | Yes. | 19:59 |
| dboddie | I don't think we nailed the themes last time. Shall we just brainstorm until people join in? | 20:00 |
| pboddie | Might be nice to get acknowledgements from people who are actually reading, as opposed to people who are permanently connected to IRC... | 20:00 |
| dboddie | We could probably split up the "Web Related Technologies" theme into traditional Web and some kind of Social Networking theme. | 20:01 |
| pboddie | Theme ideas here for those who didn't already know: http://www.europython.org/community/Talk_Suggestions | 20:01 |
| dboddie | Or maybe just Network/Grid Computing. | 20:02 |
| dboddie | And traditional Web. | 20:02 |
| dboddie | Perhaps Grid stuff overlaps with Science too much. | 20:02 |
| pboddie | I don't really know how well Grid stuff fits in with science. | 20:03 |
| dboddie | I guess most Grid users are doing science with it. | 20:03 |
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| pboddie | Although at a computing conference, it's obviously a lot closer than it is as other scientific conferences. | 20:03 |
| pboddie | I know we were aiming to avoid the "tag cloud" problem, but we could let people vote for their favourite themes. | 20:04 |
| lac | hi all | 20:04 |
| * MrTopf usually is on the Second Life Grid and working on the Second Life Grid Interoperability Protocol. I am not sure if it's science though ;-) | 20:04 | |
| pboddie | Otherwise, instead of overthinking it, just identify wide categories and be done with it. | 20:04 |
| MrTopf | Hi lac, pboddie,dboddie_work | 20:05 |
| dboddie_work | As long as there aren't 100 themes, it's OK. It's all just suggestions, anyway. The schedulers can use them as a guide. | 20:05 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf, lac: Hi. | 20:05 |
| dboddie_work | We need a core list. | 20:05 |
| pboddie | I think the themes discussion is arguably more important in determining who could be a good keynote speaker, sponsor, and so on. | 20:05 |
| lac | grid is not necessarily science. a whole lot of money is beng wasted on grid computing done by the usual suspects -- SAP etc | 20:05 |
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| jacob22 | Hi! | 20:06 |
| DaliusD | Hello | 20:06 |
| dboddie_work | We can suggest grid stuff as part of networking and not make it a theme. | 20:06 |
| pboddie | I'm inclined to do a regrouping of the stuff now. | 20:06 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: OK. Maybe add the suggestions from the last meeting and get it out there. | 20:07 |
| dboddie_work | Agenda reminder: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting6 | 20:07 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Do you want to lead the meeting? | 20:07 |
| lac | you are doing a perfectly fine job as it is | 20:08 |
| dboddie_work | I'm typing quickly today. :-) | 20:08 |
| lac | (so no, not unless you want me to.) | 20:08 |
| dboddie_work | Last time, we decided on flexibility in everything. | 20:08 |
| dboddie_work | Time slots, themes, workflow. | 20:09 |
| dboddie_work | I guess we need to get the themes sorted out and have a general idea about talk lengths. | 20:09 |
| lac | I have been thinking about that. I think that 30 minutes is a fine time for 'introduction to X ' talks which are designed to | 20:10 |
| lac | get people the idea that going to some website and learnng about something is cool. | 20:10 |
| dboddie_work | OK, so get the contributors to pitch a talk with a duration. | 20:10 |
| lac | But I think that it is too short for people who already know a lot, and want an advanced talk. | 20:11 |
| pboddie | I've more or less stuck to 30 minute talks in my entire EuroPython career. The only exception may have been some PyPy ones, but I get the feeling that they sometimes struggle filling out an hour. | 20:11 |
| dboddie_work | Yes, I think it's good to be able to say how long you need. | 20:11 |
| MrTopf | as I am just reading Presentation Zen, attention is lost after 20 mins anyway ;-) | 20:11 |
| lac | what we did with pypy was to book 2 or three slots and then everybody stuff things into that time, rather than | 20:12 |
| lac | exactly have things as half hour talks. At least we did that twice I know. | 20:12 |
| dboddie_work | We could say 30/60 mins, where 60 mins also covers 45 mins + discussion. | 20:12 |
| * lac nods | 20:13 | |
| MrTopf | +1 | 20:13 |
| pboddie | Sounds like a good idea. There are almost never enough opportunities for questions. | 20:13 |
| MrTopf | it also sounds like easy to remember when talks begin | 20:13 |
| pboddie | And I think more discussion would be good, too. | 20:13 |
| MrTopf | as opposed to 45 mins slots | 20:13 |
| dboddie_work | Cool - agreement! | 20:13 |
| DaliusD | the ones who want to have 60 mins could make two 30 mins. Anyway second part will attact smaller group. | 20:14 |
| MrTopf | maybe encourage people to do more discussion like sessions | 20:14 |
| MrTopf | or maybe call it sessions anyway so it's not necessarily a talk | 20:14 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: Yes. | 20:14 |
| dboddie_work | OK. | 20:14 |
| dboddie_work | Maybe I should ask if there's any news on the things we discussed before: registration, sponsorship, website. | 20:14 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: Any news on sponsors? | 20:15 |
| MrTopf | well, I haven't put any Google Analystics code in the site yet because I don't know how ;-) (e.g. access to the site or who might want to put it in there) | 20:15 |
| lac | budget is done modulo some input from Aiste. we have to decide if we want tutorials. It looks like 200 Euros a person would work again | 20:15 |
| lac | we can rent small rooms if we want. So far I have aksede about tutorials on the ep mailing list and the silence was deafening. | 20:16 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: I have been waiting for Aiste to respond to my questions about costs from the venue for having booths, streamers tec. | 20:16 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: OK. | 20:16 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: I'm still waiting for Zeth to get back to me on the site. | 20:16 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Should we put out a call for tutorials in the call for participation. It's easier to decide if we know that people want to do them. | 20:16 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: It's time to send a reminder... | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | ok, ic. I am just createn a GA account right now and will create the JS snippet to include | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | so if it's needed just ping me | 20:16 |
| lac | I have more input from WOrldpay, and they are trying to be able to work with us, but they are really not set up to deal with non-companies | 20:16 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: To the list/Aiste? | 20:16 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: I know where to find you. :-) | 20:16 |
| MrTopf | oops ;-) | 20:17 |
| dboddie_work | lac: OK. | 20:17 |
| lac | mgedmin: are you there? | 20:17 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: I was thinking to Aiste. I don't think anybody else can provide answers. | 20:17 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: OK. | 20:17 |
| MrTopf | pboddie: ok, it has been created | 20:17 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Did you see my mail to the improve list about sponsor materials? | 20:18 |
| pboddie | Actually, I'd be interested to know what people think about the sponsorship situation. | 20:18 |
| pboddie | Last year, I don't think we did that well, and if you compare things with PyCon, there does seem to be some room for improvement. | 20:19 |
| lac | VanL worked like crazy to get a lot of sponsors. But he promised them things like their own lightning talks and plenary chances to talk to the delegates | 20:19 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: No, I think I fell off the improve list for some reason. I should get resubscribed. | 20:20 |
| lac | and PyCON went pretty heavily into 'offering things for our sponsors' and catering to their needs. | 20:20 |
| lac | I'd like to not do things in such a huge fashion, because while money is nice, selling ourselves for revenue has always struck me as very distasteful. | 20:21 |
| lac | but there is a middle ground here, its not all or nothing. | 20:21 |
| dboddie_work | Indeed. | 20:21 |
| jacob22 | I'd like to offer sponsors their own Open Space sessions, but handing out plenary session attention is too commercial for my taste. | 20:21 |
| lac | An exhibitors hall seems to be what pycon sponsors were interested in. | 20:22 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: Agreed. | 20:22 |
| lac | we could rent some rooms at the hotel, and use it for that, but I need to know stuff from Aiste in order to get this to work. | 20:22 |
| lac | Which brings us to -- can people who are hear come earlier to a meeting? this time is too late for Aiste. | 20:22 |
| dboddie_work | lac: No problem for me. | 20:23 |
| lac | and I don't theink we can really function unless she is at the meeting because too much critical info lives only in her head. | 20:23 |
| pboddie | An earlier meeting is fine by me. | 20:23 |
| lac | its ok with samuele as well, who forgot about this meeting, and is now in a restaurant. and sends apologies. | 20:23 |
| pboddie | Agreed with the remarks about being overcommercial. I don't particularly appreciate being lectured to by "suits", and I'm not sure EuroPython should be that kind of conference. | 20:24 |
| lac | I sure hope we don't get 1000 attendees, either. | 20:24 |
| pboddie | Of course, "suits" meaning salespeople pushing some product and seeing us as pure consumers. | 20:24 |
| lac | well lots of the companies seemed to want to hire people at pycon. | 20:25 |
| lac | I thought it would be better if they rented a suite at the hotel, or a booth, and yapped about hiring there | 20:25 |
| lac | but that is not what got decided, it seems. | 20:25 |
| MrTopf | somehow OpenSpace sessions for sponsors seems strange to me, as the word "open" is in there ;-) | 20:25 |
| pboddie | Anyway, I sent links to some PDFs which describe sponsor benefits at different events, and we should try and get an idea of how we can best persuade/approach sponsors for EuroPython. | 20:25 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: Maybe just call them something else when a sponsor is involved. | 20:26 |
| MrTopf | SponsorSpace ;-) | 20:26 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: It's almost like the Birds of a Feather things you hear about at more corporate events. | 20:26 |
| pboddie | Last year, I seem to remember it being somewhat messy, carrying offers over from the previous time, and lots of small scale interactions with people for marginal benefit. | 20:26 |
| lac | I got a figure from Aiste of 300 Eurpos for booth space, but not how big it is, and where and the like | 20:27 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22, lac: Would it help to have some kind of brochure? | 20:27 |
| jacob22 | MrTopf: Yes, I think that is a smart way of presenting it. It tells people exactly what is going on and it has a nice ring to it. | 20:27 |
| lac | given that renting a whole small room is 200 euros a day | 20:27 |
| MrTopf | as said before btw, maybe it would be nice to have more open spaces and a separate time slot for them where just these happen | 20:27 |
| MrTopf | so not at the same time as lightning talks | 20:28 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: Maybe take a look at PyCon | 20:28 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: A brochure for sponsor options? | 20:28 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: ... for ideas. | 20:28 |
| lac | dboddie_work: yes a brochire will help. Not sure it needs to be on paper though, an online brochure may be what is needed. | 20:28 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: We could keep the SponsorSpaces separate/extra so that we don't have to trade OpenSpace time for sponsorship fees. | 20:28 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: Yes. | 20:28 |
| MrTopf | well, I was more talking about the tradeoff lightning talks vs. open spaces | 20:29 |
| lac | at 200 Euros a room, if we get many sponsors, having more sponsor space should not be a problem | 20:29 |
| pboddie | I think we just need to agree on the material benefits - discussion with Aiste/hotel required, obviously - and then put together a more inspirational offer than the one we've previously had. | 20:29 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: That is what I intend to make as soon as I have the info from Aiste. Without it, I might sell sponsorships at loss. | 20:29 |
| lac | assumign that we are the only confernece using the space at this time, which so far seems to be the case | 20:29 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: OK. Well, if you need assistance, just ask. | 20:30 |
| pboddie | jacob22: Do you think EuroPython has been too cheap for sponsors in the past? | 20:30 |
| dboddie_work | lac: OK. So, sponsors can take up extra space for their own Spaces? | 20:30 |
| jacob22 | dboddie_work: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'll need a review for sure. | 20:30 |
| lac | jacob22: john pinner who is now on an airplane said to tell you the same thing -- if you need help with sponsors just ask | 20:30 |
| lac | dboddie: there are lots of tiny rooms at the site, and they cost only 200 euros a day, so I think we can charge sponsors even more | 20:31 |
| lac | than that and they won't blink. | 20:31 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Good. I think you have to charge more to be taken seriously sometimes. | 20:31 |
| dboddie_work | OK, we're doing well with the agenda items. | 20:32 |
| lac | so space won't be a problem unless we get a ton of booth and space wanting sponsors., | 20:32 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: No, I don't think we were too cheap in the past, but I think we should raise our prices now. Times are changing, and we should adapt. | 20:32 |
| lac | VanL said that by charning more he got more interest for PyCON sponsors | 20:32 |
| pboddie | jacob22: I just get the impression that if the costs are low, they don't think that it's worth it. Pricing psychology... | 20:33 |
| lac | charging | 20:33 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: On the Wiki, I don't think the 200 EUR figure is a registration figure. | 20:33 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Where are the attendee fees for last year? | 20:33 |
| jacob22 | pboddie: Quite true. The reason why we had low fees in the past was to attract some sponsors, to make people see that you could sponsor a community conference. We are over that phase now. | 20:34 |
| dboddie_work | I'm guessing that we can't tackle surveys or workflow in this meeting. | 20:34 |
| lac | I have more on Themes: is now the time to mention it? | 20:34 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Sure, go ahead. | 20:34 |
| lac | surveys: pycon is happy with surveymonkey, but john has always done our surveys and I have always been pleased with them | 20:35 |
| lac | do you know michael sparks from the bbc? | 20:35 |
| dboddie_work | lac: I think the item is referring to last year's survey. | 20:35 |
| dboddie_work | Yes. | 20:35 |
| lac | ah. I think john has them. | 20:35 |
| dboddie_work | zeth: ping-ping-ping | 20:35 |
| pboddie | Yes, I was just curious as to what people thought. | 20:35 |
| lac | He would like a day which is nothing but open space, brainstorming, and the like. | 20:36 |
| lac | i.e. no sprints and no talk competition. | 20:36 |
| lac | just show up to meet and see what falls out of the sky. | 20:36 |
| dboddie_work | I guess that would make it more likely to work. | 20:36 |
| dboddie_work | Of course, some people will just go off to see Vilnius, but that's not a bad thing. :-) | 20:37 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: The fees were 160/100/85 EUR. | 20:37 |
| jacob22 | A full day is a lot of time. | 20:37 |
| pboddie | Ah, combining the unconference with a conference. Interesting and radical! | 20:37 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: Maybe half a day. Mix it with a really heavy morning. | 20:38 |
| pboddie | Perhaps just a morning or an afternoon. Follow it with a keynote. | 20:38 |
| dboddie_work | jacob22: Get people really inspired. | 20:38 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie, lac: I thought the first 200 EUR figure was per-attendee. Was it costs? | 20:39 |
| jacob22 | Yes, I think that would be a cool thing to do. | 20:39 |
| lac | if we want to do tutorials, and I realise this is a big if, we could combine it with a morning or afternoon tutorial | 20:39 |
| lac | and people who didn't want a tutorial could brainstorm all day. | 20:39 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Interesting. Get people interested in the morning and see what they can do in the afternoon. | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | I would like to have a more barcamp like day | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | e.g. meet in the morning, everybody can shorty say what they want to do and select a timeslot and a room | 20:40 |
| lac | I don't know what barcamp is, got a url handy? | 20:40 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: It was for room booking, I think. | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | barcamp.org | 20:40 |
| lac | this sounds like what michael was explaining to me. | 20:41 |
| jacob22 | Tutorials we not all that popular when we tried them a few years ago. I think Europython is (still) a little too hard core for tutorials to have a big appeal. | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | it's also called an unconference.. everybody is a participant, nobody is a spectator | 20:41 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: For tutorials? | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | yes, it sounds similar | 20:41 |
| lac | you start out with a pile of postits, with 'problems I have' | 20:41 |
| lac | post them | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | I will go to my next barcamp tomorrow :) | 20:41 |
| lac | then go read them and use postits to add 'solutions I got' and 'stuff i want to help think about' | 20:41 |
| lac | then see what happens. | 20:41 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: For sponsor events. | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | well, at those we usually have a planning session in the morning where everybody gives a short summary and asks how many people are interested. according to that he selects a room size and a free timeslot | 20:42 |
| lac | MrTopf -- the unconference is what he was calling it, good, no wonder it is similar. I did not know it was a title, though. | 20:42 |
| pboddie | I think the community has to get a bit more active if we want to make this work. So far, either people are too busy to think about EuroPython or they're being quite passive. | 20:42 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: The quote I was reading said "we have to decide if we want tutorials. It looks like 200 Euros a person would work again" | 20:42 |
| MrTopf | usually you have some sort of wall with a table with rooms and times and you put some paper with your title in there | 20:42 |
| MrTopf | it usually works quite well at barcamps, not sure how it will work at EP, I guess people need to get used to that | 20:42 |
| MrTopf | but that also means that you have to look out for submission deadlines and such | 20:43 |
| DaliusD | that worked previous year :) | 20:43 |
| DaliusD | if people was not satisfied with official schedule they could go to some unofficial presentations | 20:44 |
| dboddie_work | I think people needed some training last year, but got the hang of it in the end. | 20:44 |
| MrTopf | lac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference | 20:44 |
| lac | MrTopf: thanks | 20:45 |
| MrTopf | and there are many more links on that page to barcamps etc. | 20:45 |
| DaliusD | off-topic: I will have to run soon so my question. I could help a little bit on website who should I contact? | 20:45 |
| lac | Another thing I would be interested in doing is a code clinic. People can bring their code in and get expert opinions on how to improve it. | 20:45 |
| lac | DaliusD: its a wiki, everybody can edit it | 20:46 |
| lac | pboddie is the lead of the website, I think -- or is that shared? | 20:47 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Sorry, I was looking at the wrong thing: "given that renting a whole small room is 200 euros a day" | 20:47 |
| dboddie_work | DaliusD: You should be able to get an account at the europython.org Wiki. pboddie can help. | 20:47 |
| pboddie | lac: It's me and Zeth, but I keep sending mails to him and hearing nothing. | 20:47 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: No problem. I'm still unsure what lac meant. | 20:47 |
| lac | I was in the middle of writing and then went to another thing | 20:48 |
| pboddie | DaliusD: Just try and edit. If it doesn't work, send me a mail or send one to the list. | 20:48 |
| MrTopf | lac: we even had one of the barcamp inventors last year at EP ;-) | 20:48 |
| lac | what I meant was if rooms are 200 Euros, tutorials do not have to cost too much | 20:48 |
| DaliusD | Thanks, pboddie | 20:48 |
| dboddie_work | lac: What was the "200 Euros a person" quote about? | 20:48 |
| pboddie | DaliusD: If I recall, you're one of the local experts, aren't you? | 20:48 |
| DaliusD | bye ;-) | 20:48 |
| dboddie_work | 200 Euros is a popular amount! | 20:48 |
| dboddie_work | DaliusD: Bye. | 20:49 |
| lac | a mistake., meant to be 200 Euros a room | 20:49 |
| lac | for one line | 20:49 |
| dboddie_work | lac: OK. Thanks for explaining. :-) | 20:49 |
| lac | or else, I thought that we charged 200 Euros last year | 20:49 |
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| lac | I put that in my spreadsheet and got 'we are way under budget for expected costs' | 20:49 |
| pboddie | What do you all think of the "recruitment" situation? The code clinic thing could be interesting, but is there someone in mind who could really push this? | 20:50 |
| lac | but of coruse i find out now that figure was not what we charged last year, which I actually knew, so my bad. | 20:50 |
| pboddie | Likewise, with many of the theme-related things: how can we recruit "theme chairs"? Should we be pestering people again? | 20:51 |
| lac | I think we should be pestering the ep list for theme chairs, yes. | 20:51 |
| dboddie_work | We should wrap up by assigning tasks like this to people and tentatively agreeing on a date and time for the next meeting. | 20:52 |
| lac | I had one more thing -- for marius when he reads this. | 20:52 |
| dboddie_work | Go ahead. | 20:53 |
| lac | Guido wants to give his keynote by teleconfernece call | 20:53 |
| lac | So I badly need somebody who is a) technical and b) speaks lithuanian to go talk to the hotel | 20:53 |
| lac | and find out enough about their system -- or find an english speaker at the hotel who knows this stuff | 20:53 |
| lac | to coordinate with the Google tech people about this. | 20:54 |
| lac | can you please do this? or find somebody else who can? | 20:54 |
| lac | thanks, Laura | 20:54 |
| lac | ok done | 20:54 |
| dboddie_work | OK, I hope he reads that. I'll paste it into an e-mail and send it just in case. | 20:55 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: More on fees here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007/FeeStructureAttendees | 20:55 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Cool. Thanks. | 20:55 |
| dboddie_work | Actions for next time: | 20:55 |
| dboddie_work | 1. When is next time? | 20:55 |
| lac | I have already emailed him this | 20:55 |
| dboddie_work | One less thing for me to do. :-) | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | lac: hi there; I was out for a (late) lunch | 20:55 |
| lac | hope it was good. | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | if you want to catch Aiste, hurry before she leaves for her two-week vacation tomorrow morning | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | although I don't know if she's planning to check her email tonight/next morning | 20:57 |
| lac | ah, well if she won't be around for 2 weeks somebody else is going to have to talk to the hotel for us during that time. | 20:57 |
| lac | because we don't have all the information we need now. | 20:57 |
| jacob22 | mgedmin: Can you poke her for me? I've waited for a month for a response about sponsor costs. | 20:58 |
| lac | on the other hand, we don't have to move the meeting until she gets back | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | jacob22: I could send her an SMS | 20:58 |
| mgedmin | or call | 20:58 |
| lac | could you get her to call us at +46 31 16 08 38 | 20:58 |
| jacob22 | mgedmin: That would be nice. I don't think it should take more than 5 minutes to solve my problems. | 20:59 |
| lac | if she is not by a computer | 20:59 |
| * mgedmin calling | 20:59 | |
| mgedmin | Aiste says she'll call you | 21:00 |
| jacob22 | mgedmin: Thanks! | 21:00 |
| lac | wonderful, thanks! | 21:00 |
| dboddie_work | I've added some preliminary "actions points" to the Wiki page at http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting6 | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | afaiu we're going to use the same hotel as last year? | 21:01 |
| lac | mgedmin: yes, same hotel | 21:02 |
| lac | aiste is now talking to jacob22 on my cell | 21:02 |
| dboddie_work | We should distill the resolved agenda items into actions so that we can show some progress next week. | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | I'll try to overcome my social-interaction-phobia and figure out the teleconferencing possibilities (of, preferably, get a coworker to do that) | 21:02 |
| lac | thank you marius. | 21:02 |
| dboddie_work | mgedmin: Sounds good. The rest of us haven't been practicing our Lithuanian speaking skills. :-) | 21:03 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Is your action to keep pushing zeth until you hear something? :-) | 21:04 |
| pboddie | On actions for next time, I guess we have to send out a mail (or maybe another) about themes and ask for "theme captains". | 21:05 |
| dboddie_work | Do you want to do that? | 21:05 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Yes. I heard from John, but not from Zeth. | 21:05 |
| pboddie | Yes, I can pester the ep list about themes and related stuff. | 21:05 |
| dboddie_work | Maybe it has to go wider than that. We're not getting a lot of feedback from there. | 21:06 |
| pboddie | OK. I can also send it to comp.lang.python as well. | 21:06 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: Is there anything you want to focus on this week? | 21:07 |
| lac | I need to start cooking dinner soon .. we have guests. can we close the official meeting, or is there more to discuss? | 21:08 |
| pboddie | I think official business is done if you're satisfied. | 21:11 |
| dboddie_work | Let's close this now. | 21:11 |
| dboddie_work | Thanks, everyone. I'll be around for a few more minutes to tell latecomers what they missed. :-) | 21:12 |
| * dboddie_work declares the meeting closed. | 21:12 | |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: See you later! | 21:17 |
| pboddie | Thanks and goodbye everyone! | 21:18 |
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| MrTopf | dboddie_work: well, I am just waiting for some decision what to do with the blog or Google Analytics | 21:22 |
| MrTopf | and give everybody permission who wants to write on it. just email me at mrtopf@gmail.com | 21:22 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: OK. Can you send a mail to the europython-improve list? I'll ask Paul to remind Zeth and John about that as well. | 21:27 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: You're in limbo until that happens, unfortunately. :-( | 21:27 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: http://www.sauria.com/blog/2008/03/13/watch-out-for-my-camera-at-python/ | 21:27 |
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| dboddie_work | pedronis: Hi. You missed the fun. :-) | 21:30 |
| lac | MrTopf: you still there? | 21:31 |
| lac | you were the person who wanted to record EP and turn it into a second life event, correct? | 21:32 |
| lac | if so, can you let me know what this would entail? | 21:32 |
| MrTopf | yes | 21:34 |
| MrTopf | was a bit distracted | 21:34 |
| MrTopf | well, it depends on the technical possibilities | 21:35 |
| MrTopf | like bandwidth | 21:35 |
| MrTopf | and I am not sure about SL but at least ustream.tv would be nice to have (flash live streaming and recording) | 21:35 |
| MrTopf | so best would be a dedicated line for this but that's probably hard to manage | 21:35 |
| MrTopf | dboddie_work: well, the blog basically is there just needs "activation" (=linking) | 21:36 |
| MrTopf | once the logo is decided upon I will also put the right one in there | 21:36 |
| * dboddie_work forgot about the logo. | 21:37 | |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: That's another thing that's waiting for the website. | 21:37 |
| dboddie_work | :-( | 21:37 |
| MrTopf | well, the logo is not the most important thing for the blog at least | 21:37 |
| MrTopf | lac: ^^ | 21:38 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: Sure, it shouldn't stand in our way. | 21:39 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: We could use the old one while everything else is decided. | 21:39 |
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| MrTopf | yep | 21:40 |
| dboddie_work | MrTopf: I'll talk to Paul about blogging. Since he's going to mail various lists about themes and theme captains, that could go on the blog as well. | 21:40 |
| lac | I mostly want to know how much would it cost us to rent equipment -- assuming we need to do so -- in order | 21:41 |
| lac | to get things recorded in the way you need. | 21:42 |
| lac | or am I completely misinformed about what is needed? | 21:42 |
| MrTopf | well, depends on how much you want to record. basically what's needed is a camera ( can bring 2 ) and some computer to stream | 21:42 |
| MrTopf | and people maybe to control these things ;-) | 21:42 |
| dboddie_work | How about bandwidth? | 21:43 |
| MrTopf | that's probably the main problem | 21:43 |
| MrTopf | tripods would also be good btw | 21:43 |
| MrTopf | so a dedicated line would be the best thing to have for this stuff | 21:43 |
| lac | Ok, then you need to coordinate with marius as well, in order to find out what the hotel can offer | 21:43 |
| lac | because I have no clue. | 21:43 |
| MrTopf | yep, maybe we can put this on next meeting's agenda | 21:44 |
| dboddie_work | Bandwidth is only a problem if you want to stream live, I guess. | 21:44 |
| lac | ok | 21:44 |
| MrTopf | well, streaming live would be best as you can then directly record it | 21:44 |
| MrTopf | the problem with recording and editing afterwards is that it's unlikely to happen or costs a lot of money | 21:45 |
| dboddie_work | Yes, now I have an action point for next week: write the agenda. :-) | 21:45 |
| dboddie_work | Sure, the path of least resistance. | 21:45 |
| MrTopf | so I also would go the easiest way and not the way with best quality | 21:45 |
| dboddie_work | Dogme 95 rules, or something. :-) | 21:45 |
| MrTopf | well, we can use tripods I think ;-) | 21:46 |
| MrTopf | btw, light might also be a problem | 21:46 |
| MrTopf | last time I had very bad light during Simon's keynote | 21:46 |
| MrTopf | I need to check again what the problem was, I think in the beginning it was the outside light | 21:46 |
| dboddie_work | Yes, that was difficult for the audience as well. | 21:46 |
| dboddie_work | We were (un)lucky with the weather. :-) | 21:47 |
| MrTopf | heh :) | 21:47 |
| MrTopf | so we maybe should check lights before | 21:47 |
| MrTopf | and also make sure that it's not totally dark | 21:47 |
| MrTopf | as long as projectors work | 21:47 |
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| MrTopf | well, I guess I will arrive a day earlier to check all this | 21:51 |
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| dboddie_work | Maybe you can get your costs covered. | 21:54 |
| MrTopf | my problem is that I even then wouldn't have the time after the event | 21:54 |
| MrTopf | and don't underestimate this | 21:54 |
| MrTopf | it's a lot of work to get 3 days edited and cut (plus multiple tracks) | 21:55 |
| MrTopf | we are still waiting for the stuff from the Plone conf 6 months ago | 21:55 |
| dboddie_work | Sure. That's why we need to stream it. | 21:55 |
| MrTopf | which had some company doing it | 21:55 |
| dboddie_work | Don't worry, I realise that you can't find more time just by throwing money at a problem. :-) | 21:55 |
| MrTopf | so maybe somebody can sponsor some equipment or so. like wireless mics would be very good | 21:56 |
| MrTopf | because sounds could usually be better | 21:56 |
| MrTopf | I had this in Seattle at the Plone Conf and it was definitly worth it | 21:56 |
| MrTopf | well, you can solve the problem with money, just hire some company which does it from begin to end ;-) | 21:57 |
| dboddie_work | I guess it didn't work for PloneConf. ;-) | 22:00 |
| MrTopf | not sure what the deal was | 22:01 |
| MrTopf | it was some film school | 22:01 |
| dboddie_work | So can we expect to see some artistic footage of the event? :-) | 22:02 |
| MrTopf | heh, no :) | 22:05 |
| MrTopf | there are some videos on line at http://plone.tv | 22:05 |
| MrTopf | gladly my own talk ;-) | 22:05 |
| dboddie_work | We talked before about getting presenters to sign permission forms for talks, didn't we? | 22:08 |
| MrTopf | I think so | 22:17 |
| MrTopf | at least I mentioned it | 22:17 |
| MrTopf | but I think some others as well | 22:17 |
| dboddie_work | I can't find any good templates out there on the WWW. | 22:17 |
| MrTopf | for such a form to sign? | 22:19 |
| dboddie_work | Yes. | 22:20 |
| MrTopf | will try to find one later | 22:21 |
| dboddie_work | Thanks. Must go now. :-) | 22:23 |
| dboddie_work | Bye! | 22:24 |
| MrTopf | cya! | 22:24 |
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