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| pinner | Good evening | 19:41 |
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| dboddie_work | pinner: Hello | 19:42 |
| pinner | I've not long come back from the dentist after having a tooth out, and I'm feeling a bit rough | 19:42 |
| pinner | so I'm off home - I'll join you later if the traffic permits! | 19:42 |
| pinner | The only thing I need from the meeting is stuff about the payments | 19:43 |
| lac | take care john | 19:43 |
| lac | which payments? | 19:43 |
| pinner | like PayPal, WorldPay | 19:43 |
| lac | aha | 19:44 |
| pinner | and how much we're charging | 19:44 |
| lac | I need info from Aiste before I can make the final budget. | 19:44 |
| pinner | save any questions you have for me | 19:44 |
| lac | and worldpay hasn't gotten back to me | 19:44 |
| pinner | I'll 'see' you later! | 19:44 |
| lac | ok | 19:44 |
| lac | take care | 19:44 |
| Aiste | hi lac | 19:44 |
| pinner | Thanks | 19:44 |
| pinner | Bye | 19:44 |
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| Aiste | I've got the prices for the halls from the hotel | 19:45 |
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| dboddie_work | Agenda here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting5 | 19:55 |
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| kitblake | good evening, or afternoon | 19:58 |
| lac | good evening, and by my clock its time to start | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | Hi. We're almost ready to begin. | 19:59 |
| dboddie_work | lac: Go ahead. | 20:00 |
| lac | bang bang bang and the meeting starts | 20:00 |
| lac | John Pinner may not be able to make it or may arrive late. He had a tooth pulled today. | 20:01 |
| lac | http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2008/IRCMeetings/IRCMeeting5 says 'Agenda,' | 20:01 |
| lac | 1. website bugfixes | 20:02 |
| lac | we made some? | 20:02 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie is on the case with zeth, I think. | 20:02 |
| lac | ok. | 20:03 |
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| dboddie_work | pboddie is about to join us. | 20:03 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: website fixes? | 20:03 |
| pboddie | Hello! Sorry to be late! | 20:03 |
| pboddie | There are a few patches to files, and I want to move the logos into the static images directory. | 20:03 |
| pboddie | This prevents MoinMoin from rejecting image requests. | 20:04 |
| pboddie | As part of the surge control parts of the software, which can be edited but only in a fairly coarse way. | 20:04 |
| pboddie | I haven't heard from Zeth about the contact fixes, however, but I can send him some patches and a few suggestions about commands to run. | 20:06 |
| xorAxAx | pboddie: how about disabling it? | 20:07 |
| xorAxAx | i havent heard of a single person liking it besides the author :) | 20:07 |
| pboddie | Is that a good idea? We don't want the kind of attachment spam that the Python Wiki had, although maybe surge protection didn't help there, either. | 20:07 |
| xorAxAx | i dont think that the surge protection would help, indeed | 20:07 |
| pboddie | Also, serving static stuff would be faster. | 20:08 |
| pboddie | It's a simple mv .../attachments/* .../wiki/ep2008/img/logo/ or whatever. | 20:09 |
| lac | this looks like a plan to me. ok to move to next aganda item? | 20:09 |
| pboddie | Well, there was also the issue of blogs. | 20:09 |
| pboddie | MrTopf - Christian - suggested a bit more blogging and set up a europython.wordpress.com account/site. | 20:09 |
| pboddie | I've made an extension which can show recent titles from that blog, and I wonder if that would be acceptable. | 20:10 |
| lac | we're trying to make it possible for peopel to link their exiting blogs to the site, or trying to set up new blogs? | 20:10 |
| pboddie | I think the PyCon blog concept was the motivation, but perhaps MrTopf can share his thoughts. | 20:10 |
| pboddie | I think we'd need to have more than one person contributing to that blog in some way, and I haven't discussed it further with him recently. | 20:11 |
| pboddie | There was also talk about Web site traffic analysis, but I think it's a bit too much rocket science for us, really. I don't have the time to track stuff down and work out who we aren't reaching beyond what we already know about such matters. | 20:12 |
| lac | I think we can file that under the 'nice but not necessary' category. | 20:13 |
| lac | or perhaps under 'too much work' | 20:13 |
| pboddie | I leave that to him to justify, but I've said that anything which adds to the Web site is fairly low priority. | 20:14 |
| lac | Except for -- next item -- the logo | 20:14 |
| pboddie | I think a blog feed is nice, and it's something I had in mind initially, but I'm not inclined to go much further. | 20:14 |
| pboddie | Right, the logo: I've proposed a voting mechanism. | 20:14 |
| pboddie | It was described in the mail, and my changes, once pushed out to Zeth will implement it. | 20:15 |
| lac | I'm fine with this one. There was also the idea that only ep_improvers should get a vote, in order to try to get more ep_improvers | 20:15 |
| Aiste | looks usable to me | 20:15 |
| Aiste | the mechanism i mean | 20:15 |
| pboddie | Force them to register, then? ;-) | 20:15 |
| lac | but I think better to go with your mechanism | 20:15 |
| pboddie | We could run it as an e-mail list vote, I guess. I wanted to give some flexibility and usability to the matter. | 20:15 |
| lac | I am fine with it your way -- anybody else have a comment, problem, suggestion, etc? | 20:16 |
| pboddie | Although if only five people end up voting, as is almost the case with everything else, we could just argue it out in a meeting. | 20:16 |
| lac | The alternative is to post something to python-list to get more voters | 20:17 |
| lac | but I am slightly negative on that idea as of now | 20:17 |
| pboddie | I think that's what we should do. Let there be pseudo-anonymous voting and let the peanut gallery chime in. | 20:17 |
| pboddie | We could always filter out the votes of unregistered people later. ;-) | 20:18 |
| Aiste | :) | 20:18 |
| Aiste | sounds like a plan to me | 20:18 |
| lac | and if we suspect a case of vote stuffing? | 20:18 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: The judges' decision is final. :-) | 20:18 |
| Theuni | we just let them vote and pick a random logo | 20:18 |
| pboddie | There should be a certain amount of traceability. Anyway, it has to be uploaded first, and we could have a small test first. | 20:19 |
| lac | ok. | 20:19 |
| lac | sounds like a plan to me. | 20:19 |
| lac | Ok, what's 'LoginHint' (yes I clicked the link) and why is this on our agenda? :-) | 20:20 |
| pboddie | It was MrTopf's suggestion that we should more forcefully suggest that people register and log in. | 20:21 |
| pboddie | I think that we just nag them in every message we send out, instead. | 20:21 |
| lac | ok. | 20:23 |
| lac | do we have a way to accept OpenIDs? | 20:24 |
| pboddie | Not really. I don't know if MoinMoin supports OpenID in any way, but there could be some solutions we could stick in front of MoinMoin, if absolutely necessary. | 20:25 |
| pboddie | Despite last year's keynote, I think OpenID usage is still relatively thin on the ground. | 20:25 |
| lac | I just hate logging into everything, and suspect that I am not alone in this. | 20:26 |
| * dboddie_work uses KWallet for that. :-) | 20:27 | |
| lac | Ok. next -- menu bar changes | 20:27 |
| lac | why was it suggested to replace 'places to stay'? | 20:27 |
| pboddie | Just to save space and because it'll be under "Location". | 20:28 |
| pboddie | The suggestion was to put "Participate!" in there somewhere instead. | 20:28 |
| pboddie | Personally, if menu bar space was at a premium (there were complaints), then I'd consider changing "Events" and "Sprints", too. | 20:29 |
| lac | I think that 'participate' should be on the front page | 20:29 |
| pboddie | But I didn't want to mess with the legacy content too much. | 20:29 |
| pboddie | I guess "participants" or "participate" should stand out more, yes. | 20:29 |
| lac | For legacy _content_, don't we just want a link 'click here for earlier Eps' and then just serve it up however it was? | 20:30 |
| pboddie | Sorry, I'm being vague: I mean the choice of menu entries as shown on previous sites. | 20:30 |
| lac | for legacy LAYOUT, well, I think it was always poorly laid out, so changing it should be easy | 20:30 |
| pboddie | Thanks for reminding me about the old site, though. Still haven't heard anything from Amaze. | 20:30 |
| Aiste | i agree with lacon this one | 20:30 |
| lac | I think a brainstorming 'what do we want' and then do it is better than assuming that the old layout satisfied some ideal | 20:31 |
| * Theuni agrees too | 20:31 | |
| lac | so let us agree to set a date for brainsorming the layout of the EP site | 20:32 |
| lac | since that is out of the scope for this meeting. Ok? | 20:32 |
| pboddie | OK. | 20:32 |
| MrTopf | oh, hi | 20:32 |
| lac | Hi Christian | 20:32 |
| Aiste | ok | 20:32 |
| MrTopf | too many events going on tuesdays | 20:32 |
| Aiste | hi MrTopf | 20:32 |
| MrTopf | and what was my suggestion? :) | 20:33 |
| pboddie | Blogs and traffic analysis/patterns. | 20:33 |
| lac | and registering nags | 20:34 |
| MrTopf | well, the blog is there and I posted some stuff | 20:34 |
| MrTopf | regarding analytics it should be 5 mins of work to have Google Analytics running | 20:34 |
| MrTopf | and I am not sure what the registering nag was about :) | 20:34 |
| MrTopf | you mean on the wiki or for the conference? | 20:34 |
| lac | I thought nagging people to join the wiki, but maybe not. | 20:35 |
| MrTopf | I was just noticing that it was a bit hard to find out how to register for it if you want to | 20:36 |
| lac | I don't know anything about Google analytics, so if its 5 minutes work, can you do it? | 20:36 |
| MrTopf | it's mostly pasting a code it gives you into the template | 20:36 |
| MrTopf | I'd need some access to the template though | 20:36 |
| pboddie | lac: Yes, nag to register for the Wiki. | 20:36 |
| MrTopf | I actually forgot what I said about the login/register stuff ;-) | 20:36 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: It was just that you thought it should be easier to do. | 20:37 |
| MrTopf | yes, if you want to sign up for it then it should be easy to find how you do it | 20:38 |
| MrTopf | but I forgot which problems I had, maybe I need another look | 20:38 |
| * MrTopf is now in 3 meetings at the same time, hello virtualization ;-) | 20:39 | |
| MrTopf | in one of them the outcome might be a nice talk for EP :) | 20:39 |
| MrTopf | so did you decide something regarding the blog? | 20:39 |
| dboddie_work | Shall we discuss some of the other non-John things before John returns? | 20:40 |
| lac | MrTopf: I am all for the blog, but who will do the work to set it up? I am not a blogger, seems like somebody who is ought to do this | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | it's setup already | 20:40 |
| lac | :-) | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | http://europython.wordpress.com | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | I think | 20:40 |
| MrTopf | yep, logo is missing ;-) | 20:41 |
| lac | ok, then all we need to do is publicise it? or integrate it better with moin moin? | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | pboddie was looking into an RSS module for MoinMoin | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | and we should put some form there with which you can also subscribe to it via email | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | another way to connect with EP even if you don't attend | 20:41 |
| MrTopf | then you get email in time for the next one :) | 20:42 |
| MrTopf | I can provide the needed snippet | 20:42 |
| MrTopf | a link to that is already on the blog sidebar | 20:42 |
| pboddie | This is in the feed reader extension I've done for MoinMoin which shows blog titles on the front page. | 20:42 |
| pboddie | The "RSS module for MoinMoin", that is. | 20:42 |
| lac | sounds good to me. | 20:43 |
| MrTopf | I can also give write access to anybody who needs it | 20:43 |
| MrTopf | or admin access | 20:43 |
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| lac | Ok, next? | 20:44 |
| Aiste | hi pinner | 20:44 |
| lac | and welcome back John | 20:44 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: That would be good. | 20:44 |
| pinner | Hello again! | 20:44 |
| MrTopf | Hi pinner | 20:44 |
| lac | Talks/Themes: | 20:44 |
| lac | any progress on finding some really good ones? | 20:44 |
| lac | Due to having a design/usability sprint at our place last week, I am now hot for a user interface theme | 20:45 |
| lac | But I could cool off next week. | 20:45 |
| pedronis | :) | 20:45 |
| lac | anyboidy else been doing any more thinking about this? | 20:46 |
| pboddie | I think we need to decide and get the announcement out. There's some room for manoeuvre, given that people may be distracted by PyCon, but we should still get the message out. | 20:46 |
| * MrTopf can do a talk about Second Life :) | 20:46 | |
| lac | hmm, virtual communities and social software seem to be hot in the USA | 20:46 |
| MrTopf | I can also do a talk about Data Portability | 20:47 |
| lac | wonder if they are hot in Europe too and worth a theme mention? | 20:47 |
| lac | now about length of talks. | 20:47 |
| MrTopf | I am not sure how much Python is involved in general in these topics, e.g. how many people work on that with Python. I know I do... | 20:48 |
| MrTopf | and Lovely System does | 20:48 |
| lac | last year we kept the 30/60 due to it being impossible to edit the indico system | 20:48 |
| dboddie_work | 30-45 minutes. I think 30 minutes can be too short sometimes. | 20:48 |
| lac | I think that we have been famous for discussing things that you should do in any language, such as testing | 20:48 |
| pinner | forget the system: what lengths do you want? | 20:49 |
| lac | which has even helped spark new python directions and improvements, so that its not completely python should not be a worry | 20:49 |
| MrTopf | in fact the other meeting was about writing a python framework for testing in Second LIfe so that could be one talk of mine | 20:49 |
| pinner | a choice of 30,45,60 even 90 minutes seems desirable, all in 90 minute sessions | 20:49 |
| lac | for people who are going from one room to another it is desirable to have them end at the same time when possible. | 20:50 |
| Aiste | having just two lenghts would be better in the sense of making swithing rooms easier | 20:50 |
| lac | I was thinking 45 and 90 or 40 80 | 20:51 |
| Theuni | At the German Zope conference we only do 30 by now. | 20:51 |
| pinner | 30 can be too short for some topics | 20:51 |
| pinner | but just right for others! | 20:51 |
| Theuni | right, in that case we make people think about submitting two different talks | 20:51 |
| lac | well, last year we had Arlo taking sort of the whole morning for his event | 20:51 |
| Theuni | lac: that wasn't exactly a talk :) | 20:51 |
| MrTopf | a happening? :) | 20:52 |
| lac | Personally, I have a bias against short talks, except for lightning talk short, which I like | 20:52 |
| lac | but I hesitate to impose my will on the crowd. what do others think? | 20:52 |
| MrTopf | Hm, I am mostly at barcamps these days and they seem to be mostly 60 minute sessions | 20:52 |
| MrTopf | one was using 45 mins but then people had difficulties to remember when what was starting | 20:53 |
| lac | how is that working? | 20:53 |
| MrTopf | you mean the 60 mins or barcamps in general? | 20:53 |
| MrTopf | well, barcamps are not only talks but also some discussion around it so it might make sense to have some more time after the actual talk | 20:53 |
| lac | I meant the 60 mins -- we can discuss barcamps in general after the EP meeting. | 20:53 |
| pedronis | people want bad talk to be short and good talks to be long | 20:53 |
| MrTopf | so I guess 60 mins makes sense | 20:54 |
| dboddie_work | I'd like to avoid seeing talks recycled from other conferences unless there's some demand for them. | 20:54 |
| MrTopf | pedronis: indeed :) | 20:54 |
| lac | pedronis: YES! | 20:54 |
| pedronis | so 60 mins in general is too much | 20:54 |
| MrTopf | let people vote when to stop? ;-) | 20:54 |
| pedronis | unless we are super selective | 20:54 |
| pedronis | which end up being super biased most likely | 20:54 |
| pinner | 30 minutes is good for people who haven't given talks before and need to build confidence | 20:55 |
| MrTopf | so give them the choice between 30 and 60? or 30 and 45? | 20:55 |
| pinner | I suggest we allow people to specify 30, 45 or 60 minutes in their submissions | 20:55 |
| pinner | then tell them what they can have when we schedule | 20:56 |
| MrTopf | I mean I might also have some topic where I know it's only good for 30 mins | 20:56 |
| * pedronis agrees with pinner | 20:56 | |
| MrTopf | +1 | 20:56 |
| lac | if we do this, we have to have them also specify with or without questions/discussion | 20:56 |
| pedronis | ? | 20:57 |
| pinner | we tell them that in the Call for Abstracts | 20:57 |
| pedronis | talk times include questions | 20:57 |
| lac | some people last year had enough time for 4 questions, and about 10 people wanted to ask them. | 20:57 |
| pinner | ie ,that the talking time is 10 minutes less than the time slot | 20:57 |
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| MrTopf | I would also say, it should be all inclusive | 20:57 |
| pinner | evening Dale | 20:57 |
| MrTopf | if they want to spend more time with discussion it's up to them to use that time like that | 20:58 |
| lac | I think 10 minutes is only a rough guide for how long the qiuestions should be | 20:58 |
| pinner | or continue discussion in Open Space | 20:58 |
| lac | Ok, then we have to make sure they know its talk time including questions when they ask. | 20:58 |
| * MrTopf would like more discussion like talks | 20:58 | |
| * lac would like more discussion like talks as well | 20:58 | |
| MrTopf | it should be written down somewhere that it's questions included | 20:58 |
| pedronis | let's have only panels | 20:58 |
| MrTopf | I don't mean panels | 20:58 |
| pinner | lac: the ten minutes includes changeover time as well as questions | 20:58 |
| pedronis | ;) | 20:59 |
| MrTopf | I mean more barcamp like sessions :) but of course people need to be prepared for that | 20:59 |
| Theuni | hmm. if we include the discussion time and changes, then we (german zope group) do 45 minutes (5 minutes change, 10 minutes discussion) | 20:59 |
| dboddie_work | People can submit materials before the conference. | 20:59 |
| MrTopf | maybe it would also be nice to have some open spaces not during talks but as a general section | 20:59 |
| lac | we would like to encourage that, in fact. | 20:59 |
| MrTopf | maybe that fosters more discussions | 20:59 |
| dboddie_work | Does this cross over into tutorials, too? | 20:59 |
| Aiste | lac: do you need the financial data now? | 21:00 |
| lac | yes. I think that people would like tutorials, and according to pycon its a big way to make money. | 21:00 |
| Aiste | I've got limited time unfortunately | 21:00 |
| pboddie | Agreed with dboddie_work on recycled talks (seem lazy) and submitted materials (saves watching people mess around with projectors). | 21:00 |
| lac | aiste: mail it to me as soon as you can, and I also need a 'how much did everything cost last year' | 21:00 |
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| MrTopf | I would also like people to upload their presentations to e.g. slideshare.net | 21:01 |
| Aiste | lac: ok, I'll mail it now | 21:01 |
| lac | aiste: thanks | 21:01 |
| MrTopf | like for ploneconf | 21:01 |
| MrTopf | or submit their material and e.g. I upload it.. we probably need permission for that though | 21:01 |
| lac | from slideshare.net, whom i know nothing about? | 21:02 |
| pinner | pboddie: there's nothing wrong with recycling good talks if that means that more people can get to see them | 21:02 |
| mgedmin | MrTopf: +10 for uploading all presentations to the web | 21:02 |
| pinner | moreati: hello alex | 21:02 |
| lac | some recycled talks were invited in the past because they were good. But fewer of us are going to pycon this year, thus will have a harder time finding the good talk there. | 21:03 |
| moreati | evening, I'm starting to get the impression I'm an hour late. Correct? | 21:03 |
| lac | correct | 21:03 |
| pedronis | forcing a company website on people seems even if free sounds like a bad idea | 21:03 |
| moreati | doh, sorry | 21:03 |
| dboddie_work | pinner: True, but you sometimes get the feeling people are going on tour with the same old material. ;-) | 21:03 |
| pboddie | pinner: I've just sent a mail to Zeth about the site updates. | 21:03 |
| MrTopf | well, slideshare is nice because it has some sort of presentation community around it plus it provides a flashplayer so that you can embed your presentation easily | 21:04 |
| MrTopf | no need for PDF downloads etc. | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | otoh when you get pdf downloads there's no need for flash players | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | some people would prefer that | 21:04 |
| * mgedmin is some people | 21:04 | |
| MrTopf | you can have that optionally | 21:04 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Agreed: I won't mention names. Motivated people will have seen the material already in many cases. | 21:04 |
| MrTopf | so it works both | 21:04 |
| pboddie | Upload presentations to the Wiki or something like that. I don't like SlideShare because of the proprietary format bonanza. | 21:05 |
| pedronis | I still don't think we are in business of forcing web2.0 websites on people | 21:05 |
| pinner | mgedmin: +1, also for html/xml presentations | 21:05 |
| MrTopf | it also gives Python more visibility | 21:05 |
| * dboddie_work would like plain text. >;-) | 21:05 | |
| dboddie_work | lac: Other agenda items? | 21:05 |
| lac | I'm opposed to proprietary formats | 21:06 |
| pinner | +1k | 21:06 |
| MrTopf | what's proprietary about it? | 21:06 |
| MrTopf | you can download what you upload | 21:06 |
| MrTopf | here is the stuff from ploneconf: http://www.slideshare.net/tag/ploneconf2007 | 21:06 |
| MrTopf | plus it makes more people look at it | 21:06 |
| pedronis | eh | 21:07 |
| pedronis | are you involved with it? | 21:07 |
| pedronis | is it sponsoring eupy? | 21:07 |
| MrTopf | no, I am just a fan | 21:07 |
| MrTopf | anyway | 21:07 |
| pboddie | I was under the impression that it was for viewing Microsoft Powerpoint files in a Flash viewer, or is that something else? | 21:07 |
| MrTopf | you can also upload openoffice or PDF | 21:07 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: That's SharePoint, isn't it? | 21:08 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Mention Silverlight and we have buzzword bingo! Damn! | 21:08 |
| pedronis | sharepoint is a microsoft portal/collabortive thingy | 21:08 |
| * dboddie_work goes off to trademark PowerSlide. | 21:08 | |
| lac | the next item on the agenda is workflow for the talks, I think we aren't ready for that yet, | 21:09 |
| lac | agreed? | 21:09 |
| dboddie_work | I agree. | 21:09 |
| lac | so next is progress of the test registration page | 21:09 |
| lac | for progress of budget -- I needed info from aiste, and she just mailed it to me I think, so will be ready next meeting | 21:10 |
| pboddie | On talks processing, I think the people involved should do their recruiting and sort it out themselves. But we need to be able to tell people where to send their talks. | 21:10 |
| Aiste | yes, I just sent it | 21:10 |
| pinner | lac: I've planned what to do, and will do it asap | 21:10 |
| pinner | lac: asap probably means next week, I'm in Helsinki with (hopefully) not much to do in the evenings | 21:11 |
| lac | helsinki is bealutiful, don't waste all your nights hacking | 21:11 |
| lac | beautiful even | 21:11 |
| lac | payment systems -- still waiting to hear from Worldpay, will nudge them again | 21:12 |
| lac | using Forex will not work, alas. | 21:12 |
| pinner | lac: remind me: what is the problem with Worldpay? | 21:13 |
| lac | we have to apply for a new account, and its taking them forever to process the application, it seems | 21:13 |
| pinner | lac: nothing unusual then | 21:14 |
| lac | not as far as I know, just normal business silence | 21:14 |
| lac | of course they may be all set to reject us because as an organisation we are weird, but so far I don't think so. | 21:14 |
| pinner | lac: that was British sarcasm ;) | 21:15 |
| lac | :-) | 21:15 |
| lac | as for sponsorship. Jacob has sent out some inquiries. I don't know to whom and about what and what he got back, if anything. and he is not here now (at home with me) | 21:16 |
| lac | so I cannot get him to log in here and 'fess up. | 21:16 |
| pinner | if Worldpay fails, can we use PayPal? or were they just too bad? | 21:16 |
| lac | we can use paypal. we'll have to, unless somebody has a different candididate. | 21:17 |
| lac | forex won't work, I tried, | 21:17 |
| pinner | the thought of trying to set up something with yet another institution is just too bad | 21:17 |
| pinner | except, maybe, Google Checkout might be OK | 21:18 |
| lac | can you invistigate that? | 21:19 |
| pinner | lac: OK | 21:19 |
| lac | Ok, anything more for this meeting? | 21:19 |
| lac | conclusion -- we need to have a weblayout/design meeting sometime soon | 21:20 |
| lac | other 'action points'? | 21:20 |
| lac | me, the budget | 21:20 |
| pedronis | the CFP | 21:20 |
| pinner | me, the registration page | 21:21 |
| lac | aha, yes, a good one. Will you write that Samuele? | 21:21 |
| lac | (I can help) | 21:21 |
| pedronis | no, I said that last week | 21:21 |
| lac | ok, any volunteers for that one? | 21:21 |
| pboddie | I've written a draft. | 21:21 |
| pboddie | http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/CallForParticipationDraft | 21:22 |
| lac | put it on the wiki and tell us where to go review it in a mail to ep-improve? | 21:22 |
| pboddie | It just needs people to decide on themes and to work out where the proposals should be sent. | 21:22 |
| pinner | pboddie: looks good to me! | 21:23 |
| pboddie | And even then, as long as no-one follows the link to "Talk Submissions", we don't even need to know the latter. | 21:24 |
| pinner | I suggest that proposals should be by email | 21:25 |
| pinner | but that's up to the talks people | 21:25 |
| lac | how did pyconuk handle things? | 21:25 |
| pinner | We used PyCon Tech, but I got fed up with the idea of fighting fancy systems | 21:26 |
| pinner | and I've done a silly simple system | 21:26 |
| pinner | you can see the results at spring2008.ukuug.org/timetable.html | 21:26 |
| lac | does it work? should we use it again? | 21:27 |
| lac | pedronis: when it comes to evaluating talks, what do you want to see? | 21:27 |
| lac | er abstracts for talks | 21:27 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: Sq! | 21:28 |
| pinner | lac: it works, moreati could judge wheher it's usable by people other than me | 21:28 |
| MrTopf | regarding registration/payment I was also wondering why EP does not use some full online service. I know Plone Conf Seattle used brownpaperticket.com for that | 21:28 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: ? | 21:28 |
| pedronis | submitter, title, asbtract, extra comments not part of the abstract, preferred length | 21:29 |
| pboddie | dboddie_work: See you later! | 21:29 |
| dboddie_work | pboddie: Have a good time! | 21:29 |
| pboddie | Have to go. Bye all! | 21:29 |
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| lac | MrTopf: I think its a matter that none of the organisers knows of an outsourcing paying company that they would recommend, | 21:29 |
| moreati | What I've seen of it worked without pinner-fu, but I fear that it would require pinner-fu to install/configure on a new system or if the desired behaviour varied at all from the default. | 21:30 |
| lac | than anythjing else. | 21:30 |
| moreati | fear is the wrong word, ..I wonder.. | 21:30 |
| pinner | MrTopf: what we did for PyCon Uk registration combined payment with collecting all the data we needed to run the conference | 21:31 |
| pinner | MrTopf: and we're proposing to use that for EP | 21:31 |
| MrTopf | ok | 21:31 |
| MrTopf | I was just wondering because of the payment stuff as they usually come with all that. But if that's solvable then there's no need for it anyway | 21:32 |
| lac | About talk submissions: if we have people mail to an address, I want a real mailman mailing list on the other end. | 21:32 |
| * pinner needs to be going too | 21:32 | |
| lac | can we make them now? | 21:32 |
| lac | I think the person to answer that has left. | 21:32 |
| lac | and this has been too long a meeting anyhow, | 21:32 |
| lac | bang the gavel? | 21:33 |
| lac | Ok, BANG BANG BANG and another EP organisers meeting lurches into history. | 21:33 |
| lac | Thank you all., | 21:33 |
| pinner | good night all | 21:34 |
| MrTopf | cya all :) | 21:34 |
| moreati | night | 21:34 |
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| MrTopf | waiting for the next meeting then :) | 21:34 |
| dboddie_work | See you! | 21:34 |
| * dboddie_work will remain on the channel but reminds everyone that the log is always available thanks to POV (see the channel topic). | 21:34 | |
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| zeth | Hi | 22:03 |
| zeth | Couldn't make the meeting but | 22:03 |
| zeth | I will read through the scrollback | 22:03 |
| zeth | dboddie_work Hi | 22:05 |
| zeth | dboddie_work We can chat later about the wiki changes | 22:05 |
| zeth | dboddie_work Aaa, just found the email | 22:05 |
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