IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2011-10-27

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CosmoHillhey javispedro00:19
javispedrohi00:20
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CosmoHillcoment ça va?00:22
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DocScrutinizermgedmin: the used space of screen is different for sure00:36
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DocScrutinizeron N9 there are only 16 rows unused00:37
DocScrutinizermaybe a few more on lumia00:37
mgedminah, interesting00:37
mgedminI was going by the published specs00:37
SpeedEvil16 rows would be an interesting statusbar00:37
DocScrutinizerindeed00:38
DocScrutinizer16 pixel high fonts are prety legible00:38
DocScrutinizeralmost enough for simple icons00:38
javispedroCosmoHill: reasonably well :)00:39
mgedminmy source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/00:40
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mgedminspeaking about those unused 16 rows... does that mean the hardware is 870x480?00:41
mgedminor that the software only uses 838x480?00:41
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DrGrovNokia 800? What is this about?00:42
specialwindows phone.00:42
CosmoHillnot the nokia n800?00:42
mgedminno00:42
mgedminis it officially called "nokia 800"? or "nokia lumia 800"?00:43
SpeedEvilIt is, however, the perfect time to sell your nokia 800.00:43
DrGrovAh ok, the Windows Phone. Was there a Nokia press conference today or?00:43
SpeedEvilFor the confused ebay buyer.00:43
mgedminnokia world 2011, afaiu00:43
mgedminhalf the RAM of a n9, boo00:43
DrGrovAny way to see the action of Nokia World 2011 live somewhere? Or any good blog that has catched the events of the day?00:43
mgedmindunno... twitter? engadget?00:44
DrGrovOk, will look into it. Engagdet seems reliable enough for covering the event.00:45
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TSCHAKeeeboy howdy that windows phone is looking pale00:54
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vgradeTSCHAKeee, and , has buttons !00:57
vgradehow very 201000:57
xranbythe best part was http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/white-n9-meego-p1-1-hands-on/00:58
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xranbynokia did at least mention meego in the looking future section of todays press release01:00
xranbyso possibly they will still use meego as a base for future prototype phones01:00
TSCHAKeeethe journalists are all glossing over the fact01:00
TSCHAKeeethat nokia has committed to providing updates to the phone01:00
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TSCHAKeeeuntil 201501:00
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DocScrutinizerget the very best, Nokia 810 original package new XP01:02
DrGrovSeriously, a White N9? Oooh, that is cool01:02
CosmoHillooo white01:02
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: not a problem, I've already seen people abbreviating the new thing as "N800".01:05
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DocScrutinizergot no N800 to sell, but hey, I have a N810 - bleeding edge top sekrit new model, you can tell from the number. Only one available (mustn't tell where it's from)01:07
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DocScrutinizereven comes with optional hw kbd to slide out, larger screen than ever01:07
CosmoHillDocScrutinizer: tape over the N and put it on ebay01:07
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CosmoHillit's an auke with two tails01:08
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csdb_auke_, question on systemd-logger. My locally built copy from meego was failing on startup. I narrowed it down to accept4 call, which seems to not be available in glibc-arm (returns ENOSYS)01:48
csdbreplacing accept4 with accept+fcntl to do the NONBLOCK+CLOEXEC part seems to make it work01:48
csdbis systemd-logger being used with  MeeGo ?01:49
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_auke_csdb: we're going to drop that patch, yes02:12
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csdbwhich patch?02:12
csdbswitching accept4 to accept+fcntl?02:12
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aukeI think we already removed the systemd-logger integration in MeeGo Trunk02:24
aukewe're just going to log to dmesg for the time being02:25
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csdbis it being dropped because of this accept4 problem?02:29
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CosmoHillcyas02:39
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aukecsdb: no, just in general the internal logger we wrote for systemd isn't going anywhere (not going to be merged)03:10
aukeredoing it as an external object doesnt make much sense since those already exist (rsyslog & friends)03:11
aukeso, we'll drop the code for now, if anyone wants to pick up the effort they can (and I'd encourage them).03:11
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csdbauke, I don't follow. src/logger.c in systemd gets build into systemd-logger, and that is part of upstream. I don't see any other logger piece in MeeGo systemd03:23
csdbwhat isn't going to be merged?03:23
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thirteenthHi people, is this channel going to stay separate from the recently announced successor to Meego? Or is it just merging later?07:16
thirteenthTizen*07:17
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thirteenthAnd also, how would I go about 'porting' MeeGo to my mobile? Is it entirely crazy to do? I have an HTC Incredible, but I really am intrigued by Meego/Tizen..07:18
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thirteenthI know it was ported to the HTC HD2, Nexus one and something else07:19
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mcfrisk_what is the correct meego repo key to 'rpm --import' for 1.2.0? Am getting only "warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/oss/armv7hl/busybox-1.17.3-1.5.armv7hl.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 44e4155a: NOKEY"10:12
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mcfrisk_oh well, worked around that zypper error by doing "rpm -i busbybox.." manually. Something is really wrong with the keys and zypper...10:21
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JedSo I just saw this log about the recent meeting http://irclogs.meego.com/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-10-18-11.03.log.html13:23
JedI dont get it, so we're renaming MER to NEMO? in the thread at the meego forum, one of the leaders (I assume) was saying they were in the midst of asking the LF to adopt MeeGo?13:24
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iekkuJed, nemo and mer are totally different things13:27
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JedSo.... NEMO is what MeeGoCE was? A ux layer like Cordia & KDE Plasma?  MER still remains, why didnt they opt to just stay with MeeGo/CE?13:31
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iekkuJed, yes, nemo is meegoce. and to get answers, i think the #meego-arm would be good place, there might be stg members13:32
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KangaoooHello. i got asus x101 witch is peloaded with meego. ive tryd meego 1y ago also. and im using ubuntu on other comps. i have some prblems with meego i cant find answer googling13:45
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Kangaoooon 1st day i got 5 updates with some GUI update automatic manager so it means all is updated. wrong. i later found out chromium offline gmail app isnt woking so i see chromium vesion it 1113:47
Kangaoooi found about updating using sudo zypper refresh and sudo zypper update and i got info it wont update about 10-15 programms listing theyr names and it included chromium but other updates will updte about 240mb.13:49
Kangaoooso then i try zypper install chromium and it says 'chromium' is already installed. There is an update candidate for 'chromium', but it is from different vendor. Use 'zypper install chromium-13.0.752.0-9.1.i586' to install this candidate.13:49
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Kangaoooi do that but i get http://pastebin.com/SdzL3cWQ and warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/updates-core/chromium-13.0.752.0-9.1.i586.rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 79fc1f8a: NOKEY13:52
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Kangaoooand now i open chromium and its not vesin 1313:52
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Kangaoooits still same 11 version. how to do then updates? maybe using yum then?13:53
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Kangaoooanyone alive? how to get irc in ch IM?13:59
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herdingcatDoes MeeGo use some parts of Fedora?19:25
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wmarone_what do you mean by "parts"19:26
wmarone_they undoubtedly share some software and libraries19:26
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herdingcatwmarone_, I got a Acer netbook and it installed Linpus Lite MeeGo, I noticed that it's much alike Fedora.19:28
wmarone_meego follows the Linux Standard Base, which derives a lot from Redhat19:29
herdingcatwmarone_, most Fedora packages can be installed in MeeGo?19:30
wmarone_I wouldn't go that far19:30
herdingcatwmarone_, I installed LibreOffice and FileZilla, seems good.19:31
wmarone_from the .rpms?19:31
herdingcatwmarone_, yes19:31
wmarone_ah, good19:32
wmarone_but I wouldn't expect that success for all pacakges19:32
wmarone_packages*19:32
jabisI guess you could install many bits and pieces from red hat, fedora and as long as the dependencies are met19:32
jabis*and different distros19:32
herdingcatwmarone_, okay, thanks mate19:33
jabissame as you can use packages from debian derived distros with ubuntu and so on19:33
jabisthere _can_ be differences that cause unwanted behaviour19:34
wmarone_jabis: carefully though, moreso with meego as it isn't Fedora/Redhat derived, but "distantly related"19:34
herdingcatjabis, which Fedora version should be proper for MeeGo 1.0?19:34
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Stskeepsyou have to be shitting me .. http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-discloses-technical-details-of-the-next-version-of-the-arm-architecture.php (ARMv8)19:35
jabiswmarone_: yeh - but usually the troubles start exactly when you even try to install a package that's not suitable :)19:36
jabisherdingcat: I wouldn't count on any19:36
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herdingcatjabis, okay, got it.19:36
jabisherdingcat: ^ wmarone's comment is a good one :)19:37
herdingcatjabis, hehe, yes19:38
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wmarone_whoa, ARM finally going 64-bit19:41
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berndhsnot entirely surprising, is it19:42
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* SpeedEvil finds it barking mad that we'll soon 'need' that for phones, as their RAM will exceed it.19:46
SpeedEvilapt-get install emm386.sys19:46
berndhsand it will all be used to make things shinier, not add functionality19:47
vadimqwell, N9 has 1GB, no? That's pretty close to the limit already19:47
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berndhsand for something completely different, there will be scheduled downtime for some meego.com sites http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484364.html19:49
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csdb " Cannot join #meego-dev (You are banned)." Is this because the channel closed?20:16
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rafael2kpeople, what is the status of the meego CE on the N950? is it funcional?20:29
rafael2k(trying to run from aegis)20:30
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aukecsdb: yes, channel closed shop and we all went into #meego-bar ;)20:40
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csdbauke, haven't been to #meego-bar in a while. Maybe I'll drop by for a midmorning pint20:41
aukecsdb: I owe you an explanation on the systemd logger stuff, will come back to that later20:41
csdbok20:42
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Stskeepscsdb: #meego-dev was closed down ages ago due to inactivity/confusing people21:57
Stskeepscsdb: way before actual development stopped ;)21:57
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berndhsif only they had kept #meego-dev...21:58
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csdbStskeeps, I had it in my irc auto-join list and only this week I noticed the "banned" message22:02
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Stskeepsyeah :P22:03
Stskeepsme too22:03
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gandhijee_hey, is there any support in meego for the 12.1" touchscreen from eGalax?22:38
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jedixIs there an automounter for ivi?22:56
Stskeepswouldn't udisks be a candidate?22:57
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jedixudisks or udiskie?22:57
Stskeepserr, dunno22:58
mwichmannthere's a pun lurking somewhere in there since ivi is largely for "autos" (yes I know there are other typed of vehicles)... but too tired to get it right22:58
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* dm8tbr invokes rule 34 on mwichmann's comment with the extension: transformers23:01
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dm8tbrhttp://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-04-21/1240279192934.jpg close enough ;) (mildly nsfw)23:03
jedixautobots?23:06
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