IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2011-10-21

ShadowReineAnyone?00:00
CosmoHill.o/00:01
CosmoHillI run a support channel, I'm used to it00:01
CosmoHillfirst question is normally "can I ask a question?{"00:02
ShadowReineDoes anyone here have any experience transferring files between a MeeGo netbook and a Mac?00:02
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lbtShadowReine: rule #1  : just ask the qestion00:02
CosmoHillis the mac configured to share with windows clients?00:02
ShadowReineYes.00:02
CosmoHill[22:02]  <CosmoHill> q?00:02
CosmoHill[22:02]  <Sploosh> Dont ask to ask just ask!00:02
ShadowReineAnd I can connect to the Mac. I can see my files.00:02
ShadowReineBut when I try to copy a file from the netbook to the Mac, it tells me 'Function not implemented'.00:03
ShadowReine(I've actually spent longer trying to transfer the file than it took to create it at this point)00:03
CosmoHillhave you tried via the command line?00:03
ShadowReineI have tried sftp. Then it doesn't seem capable of finding my file at all.00:04
ShadowReineI am literally at 30 minutes and counting to transfer a 400 word text file.00:04
CosmoHillwith sftp did you type "pwd"?00:04
ShadowReineTells me No Such File Or Directory…when I am sure I have the file right.00:04
CosmoHilltry "cd /"00:04
ShadowReineOkay. Is there a way to go up through commands in the MeeGo terminal? I don't want to have to type this entire long file name out for time #10…I didn't type pwd, no. I thought the person was talking about my password :P00:05
ShadowReine(This is what happens when you've only used BSD in twenty years and then you don't do much at the command line)00:05
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ShadowReine^P doesn't work for command retrieval.00:06
CosmoHilltype "help"00:06
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ShadowReineI'm in the correct remote working directory. But it seems that ~/Documents/name-of-file is not the right path for put.00:07
ShadowReine(Which is why I want to use the GUI, dang it)00:08
CosmoHilltry cd /Users/you00:08
CosmoHillthen ls00:08
ShadowReineI think I may have it. Can somebody please tell me if there is a way to retrieve the command I typed a few lines back that is not copying and pasting or typing it out again?00:09
ShadowReine(Note to self: One word file names on the netbook forever)00:09
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CosmoHillpress up?00:09
ShadowReineDoesn't work.00:09
ShadowReineNeither up nor ^P work the way they should.00:10
ShadowReineI'm this close to asking to borrow an ubuntu stick. I really am.00:10
CosmoHillyou're in the directory you want to download the files to00:11
ShadowReine'Cause I really, REALLY don't want to have to use a dropbox just to transfer files from one machine to another.00:11
CosmoHilland you've sftp into your mac00:11
ShadowReineI want to move file from Documents folder on netbook to a folder on the Mac.00:11
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ShadowReineThis should take 2 seconds. Not 30 minutes and counting.00:12
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CosmoHillso you're in ~/Document on the netbook and sftp into the mac00:12
ShadowReineI should be. Yes.00:12
CosmoHillwhat did "pwd" return00:12
ShadowReineI *really* don't want to type this file name out again.00:12
ShadowReineThe correct remote working directory.00:12
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CosmoHillwhat does "put *" do?00:12
ShadowReine'No such file or directory'00:12
CosmoHilllls00:13
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CosmoHill(two Ls)00:13
ShadowReineI now seem to be in Chinese mode.00:13
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ShadowReineIt's transliterating everything I say into Chinese. I want to throw it out the window.00:14
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ShadowReineIt's activated 'Smart Common Input Mode' presumably while I was trying to recover my old commands.00:14
ShadowReineAnyone know how to kill that?00:15
ShadowReineOkay. lls shows me as one level above Documents, but shouldn't ~/Documents/name of file have worked?00:16
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ShadowReineNOW I am in Documents.00:17
CosmoHillyay00:17
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ShadowReineI worked out lcd on my own! (l I'm guessing is for local here).00:18
ShadowReineIt worked!00:18
CosmoHillcorrect00:19
ShadowReineWell, I learned something I didn't know, so the time wasn't wasted. I still wonder if I can fix the file browser, though.00:19
ShadowReineI wonder if they properly tested it with Macs, as it seems to be set up only to use Windows networking protocols. Or maybe there's an app for it.00:21
CosmoHillfyi all the intel guys (and gals) have macbook pros00:22
ShadowReineCould be a Lion issue, too.00:22
CosmoHilllions tend to object to people tranfering files onto them00:22
ShadowReine*giggles*00:22
CosmoHilland shaving words into their side, they don't like that either00:23
ShadowReineHorses don't mind, though.00:23
ShadowReineAnyway…thanks, guys.00:24
CosmoHillyou're welcome :)00:24
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ShadowReineI do have a tendency to find every bug in existence.00:25
jedixyeah, I'm hitting this issue and dunno how they fixed it: http://www.spinics.net/lists/netfilter-devel/msg19346.html00:25
ShadowReineNo offense, but…WHOOSH!00:26
CosmoHillShadowReine: join CLFS and file away00:26
CosmoHillI'll either fix them or swear at you00:26
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ShadowReineCLFS?00:26
CosmoHillCross Linux From Scratch00:27
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ShadowReineWhy cross?00:28
ShadowReine(LIke I said. Twenty years. Only thing I've played with is Apple's version of BSD)00:28
CosmoHillfrom one arch to another00:28
CosmoHillyou mean Darwin?00:28
ShadowReineI think so. Whatever they underly OS X with.00:30
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ShadowReineI manage to wrangle it well enough to maintain a local wiki.00:32
CosmoHillI believe it's a carpet made from the hair of fanboys00:32
ShadowReineHey!00:32
ShadowReineIt's better than Windoze!00:32
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pdanekhello folks00:41
CosmoHillhello folk00:42
pdanekI have a question, what is the current state of MeeGo project? 90% of internet portals mentiones things like: MeeGo is dead... etc.00:42
pdanekhowever, I can still see there is still some roadmap,meego 1.3 was released etc.00:42
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pdanekdoes it mean, that MeeGo itself isn't really dead, still actively developed by a community, just Intel/Nokia donating is out?00:43
pdanekper example: meego.com is going to be updated still, or this portal is dead by now? :)00:43
ShadowReine*looks at her brand new netbook with MeeGo preinstalled*00:44
ShadowReineAsus appears to be supporting the project even if nobody else is.00:44
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CosmoHillanyone know rjohnson19?01:56
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pdanekhttp://apps-beta.meego.com/basecategories/meego/1.2/handset/02:09
pdanekSorry, it looks like our servers are having trouble!02:09
pdanek Please try your request again or use the links below to report the issue.02:09
pdanekis this normal behavior, like not in working state currently?02:09
pdanekor temporary issue?02:09
CosmoHillanyone heard of <bim_ir>?02:15
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vadimqHi, I'm a bit confused, what is going on with meego/tizen? Is meego continuing or the post about making it easier to migrate means people are supposed to move over to tizen?11:26
lbtvadimq: such is the situation with closed governance models.11:27
vadimqso is there a plan to fork or anything like that? I'm looking at the N9 and aren't that happy with the Aegis thing. What I'd like to see is a fully open OS that can be just flashed, even if nobody officially ships it. Is there anything like that?11:30
Stskeepsvadimq: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 may be of interest11:30
Stskeepsvadimq: some of us have started http://www.merproject.org - we hope to collaborate with Tizen11:31
vadimqyes, that looks interesting, unfortunately the N950 is impossible to buy I think?11:31
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Stskeepssame thing kinda works for N9 too :11:32
StskeepsP11:32
Stskeepshttp://jon.severinsson.net/N9CE/11:33
Stskeepsthough kinda hardcore11:33
vadimqhmm, what's "the primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users" supposed to mean?11:33
Stskeepsvadimq: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484281.html11:33
Stskeepsvadimq: Nemo/Community Edition would base upon Mer and do the UX side of things11:33
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vadimqhmm that is interesting, though I do agree with the people saying that it looks to be a difficult proposition. For end users it's not interesting, and I'm not sure it's all that great even for companies11:39
Stskeepslet's see how things turn out11:42
lbtit's not interesting for end-users who want a shiny toy to play with or develop on :) ....it's rather more interesting if they have devices they want to hack and then they want to grow into SMEs11:43
Stskeepsit's a kind of radical proposition, but we've seen projects fail while trying to build entire bottom to top projects, and let's see if we can make a solid puzzle piece for others to build upon11:44
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vadimqhow do you properly test it without having something built on top?11:47
Stskeepsvadimq: oh, we don't say there isn't something built on top :)11:47
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vadimqah, what will it be?11:48
Stskeepsvadimq: but everyone feeds back the same way and interacts with the core and it's deliverables, we'll deliver tools and QA methods for people to help things with - the idea is the core is always releasable and QA'ed11:48
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Stskeepsvadimq: we're starting with plasma active, the Nemo/community edition project and a small bunch of hardware adaptations11:49
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Stskeepsvadimq: these are outside the project, but deliver input regarding problems to the core project11:49
lbtvadimq: the QA question is a good one - and I think it's fair to say we don't have a complete answer11:49
lbtMeeGo built up some QA and we'll be reusing them wherever we can11:50
lbtvadimq: also bear in mind that when Nokia were first involved they released a lot of tools and processes to the community based on their productisation of Maemo for all their devices11:51
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dnearylbt, I think I have mostly sorted out my DNS knowledge, by the way11:52
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dnearyThjanks for your help, you were great11:52
lbtdneary: OK - good - np11:52
dnearyRight now, the only question I have left is how to add a glue record to my registrar11:52
lbtemail them11:53
dnearyThey won't let me set ns.neary-consulting.com as a primary nameserver because it doesn't resolve11:53
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dnearyI do have a slave11:53
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lbthehe - the bootstrap issue?11:53
dnearylbt, Verio are pretty shit11:53
lbtoh, trust me, 1&1 are worse11:53
dnearyI emailed them yesterday and got a reply "to change the nameservers for domain, follow these steps:"11:53
dnearyWith a FAQ entry C&P into the mail11:54
dnearygrrr11:54
dnearyI hate people who don't understand the question11:54
dnearyAnd then insist on answering what they insist is the question you *really* wanted to ask11:54
lbthttp://pastie.org/273423511:54
vadimqlbt, Stskeeps: aha, interesting11:55
lbtvadimq: why the interest BTW?11:56
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dnearySo - just to be sure I absolutely understand what's going on11:56
dnearyOn the .com GTLDs, I need to have the following added somewhere (where?):11:57
dnearyneary-consulting.com. IN NS ns.neary-consulting.com.11:57
dnearyns.neary-consulting.com. IN A 212.85.155.2611:58
dnearyIs that correct? That's a glue record, right?11:58
lbtI can't say how they permit that11:58
vadimqlbt: Well I'm almost certainly going to code something, just trying to decide on what. I like open systems. So iphone is out, windows is out, and Android seems way too weird for my liking. I figure the N9 line is probably a deadend. So my idea would be to find some open firmware to flash and work with that11:58
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Stskeepsvadimq: good news is that meego for n950/n9 is already fairly far along then12:00
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CosmoHillmorning12:02
brikmorn12:06
CosmoHillhey brik12:08
CosmoHillhow are you?12:08
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briknot bad, yourself?12:11
CosmoHillI'm okay, just need to figure out which direction to point my life in and then actually go for it12:11
SpeedEvilSpinward!12:12
briksounds like effort12:13
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CosmoHillatm I live at home with my parents and no job12:13
Stskeepsfirst step is to get your own place12:14
Stskeeps:12:14
StskeepsP12:14
hiemanshuor find a gal and move in with her12:14
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SpeedEvilOr a guy.12:21
SpeedEvilOr an otter.12:21
panvHi... is there a way to install meego on a sonyericsson xperia X2 ?? please ?12:21
CosmoHillotter?12:21
CosmoHillpanv: are you a developer?12:21
panvno.. CosmoHill but i can do some programming if required !!12:22
CosmoHillit won't be easy12:23
panvI am ready to try my luck12:23
panv:) with some help...12:23
panvI just need a little guidance...12:24
SpeedEvilThe zeroth step is - is there a linux kernel on the device, and can you flash arbitrary code on it.12:24
CosmoHillpeople have got it on a Sony Ericsson Snowball12:24
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SpeedEvilAre all the devices supported by kernel mode drivers.12:24
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panvso, what should i do ?12:25
panvI have an xperia x2, which is stuck for a bug in windowsmobile, and i cannot use it..12:25
panvi am looking for another OS... coz i cannot get support from SE where i got it.12:25
SpeedEvilSee above.12:25
panvanyway, their support sux12:25
SpeedEvilDoes it boot linux, and does the kernel have all drivers.12:26
panvI don't know if it boots linux12:26
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panvit's just a windows phone12:27
SpeedEvilFirst, you need to find out that.12:27
panvhow should i do that ??12:27
SpeedEvilFind out if someone has gotten it booting.12:27
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SpeedEvilOtherwise, it's at least several dozen to several thousand hours getting linux up and booting on the device.12:27
SpeedEvilFor someone skilled.12:27
SpeedEvilOnce linux is up and running on the device, with all drivers suported, then it's 'just' a matter of hardware adaptation of one of the available images.12:28
SpeedEvilSorting out screen resolutions, and what happens with hardware buttons.12:28
panvso, first of all i should see if linux can boot12:29
panvcan you guide me for that please ?12:29
SpeedEvilSee above.12:29
panvok12:29
SpeedEvilGoogle it. See if anyones got it booting.12:29
panvthanks SpeedEvil12:29
Stskeepsit has a MSM chipset and ARMv6, meego won't boot there12:29
SpeedEvilBut practically, it's going to be a _LOT_ of work.12:29
panvStskeeps, do you have an alternative to my problem ?12:30
panvthe phone is unusable at the moment12:30
SpeedEvilGet a new phone.12:30
SpeedEvilEbay the old one.12:30
panv:)12:30
panvi wont sell a bad phone..12:30
SpeedEvilSell it accurately described.12:30
SpeedEvilIt's still of use for people wanting to swap the screen out.12:31
panvwhat if i wanted to fix it !!  i like challenges !12:31
Myrttisee what Stskeeps said12:32
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SpeedEvilWell - work out what's wrong with it, and how to re-flash windows ontoit.12:32
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panvMyrtti, i saw what Stskeeps said, and i asked for alternatives..12:33
Stskeepsget a linux kernel booting first, then worry about OS12:33
panvSpeedEvil, the problem is in the alignment of the screen12:33
panvit's stuck there... and many people faced the same problem12:33
panvand nobody could solve it (at least they didn't post the solution)12:33
panvi hate to lose that hardware..12:33
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Stskeepsit's a 2009 model12:34
Stskeeps:12:34
StskeepsP12:34
panvya.. but i sweat for my money as well  :):)12:34
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SpeedEvilpanv: then you can possibly replace the screen, or digitiser, if it's seperate, and it's fixed.12:35
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panvanyway.... I will see what to do...12:36
panvcoz another problem is , i don't like the OS...12:36
panvit's slow12:36
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CosmoHillI came into my office yesterday to find that not only had the people removed the desks they were told to12:49
CosmoHillbut they have unplugged my cluster and moved the head node too12:50
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CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cc/compact-cluster.jpg tada!13:07
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CosmoHillhow bad is it to completely drain a UPS battery?13:33
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dnearylbt, In the end it was too painful to get a parent to include a glue record for my domain & 24 hour lag is getting boring18:24
dnearyI've gone with another DNS provider (afraid.org) who do free hosting18:24
dnearyHopefully that'll work out18:24
dnearyDNS changes need to propagate18:25
dnearyAnd Verio still shows the old ones as definitive in my dashboard (wtf)18:25
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dneary"The name server redelegation for neary-consulting.com has been updated. Please allow 24 to 48 hours for the name server changes to take effect."18:26
dnearySucks18:26
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npmanother market for mer/meego/meletemi/etc? http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10820&minisite=1002018:37
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Stskeepsi was pondering digital signage if everything goes tits up18:38
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npmi dunno, that device looks pretty high tech, and how long before it's expected equipent on any vehicle18:39
slainedneary: I've found in practice that it never takes more than a couple of hours18:40
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dnearyslaine, When Verio says 24-48 they probably manage to mess it up somehow :)18:44
slainehehe18:44
araujoStskeeps, repo --name=ce-adaptation-n900 --baseurl=http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/stskeeps:/mer:/hw:/n900/CE_Mer_Core_armv7hl18:44
araujomain repo ^^ ?18:44
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Stskeepsaraujo: hack ;)18:47
Stskeepsaraujo:18:47
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araujo:)18:49
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gandhijeearfoll_: i have no idea to be honest, i am working on some stuff for this company called aminocom20:24
gandhijeeand they keep asking me about PR24/25 and i have no idea what it is, nor does my intel FAE20:24
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csdbwhat did sysklogd get replaced with in Trunk ?21:09
csdbit's in obs up to MeeGo:1.2 but not in Trunk21:10
Stskeepssystemd i think handles it now, if i'm not wrong21:10
csdbah ok21:10
csdbAlso, https://build.meego.com says:21:11
csdbThe server's security certificate is revoked!21:11
csdbhttp://build.meego.com works fine21:11
Stskeepsyeah, i'm not sure why that is21:12
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csdbI guess the https:// port should be shut down if the certificate isn't going to be renewed...21:12
Stskeepsi only use that place as an information source these days since Trunk is pretty much shut down21:12
csdbI've noticed... We sync our obs with Trunk on a weekly basis and I think we've gotten all of 3 or 4 pkg updates over the last few weeks21:13
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Stskeeps:nod:21:13
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jedixRequires:       libEGL-devel21:17
jedixis there a pkgconfig way of doig that?21:17
jedixor should I change it to mesa-libEGL-devel?21:17
Stskeepspkgconfig(egl) ?21:18
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jedixwill that work for -devel?21:19
Stskeepsit is -devel it's fetching21:19
Stskeepspkgconfig will always get you the -devel21:19
jedixoh, cool21:19
csdbshouldn't that be BuildRequires?21:19
jedixthis is the qt package libtqopengl-devel21:20
jedixlibqtopengl-devel21:20
csdbah21:20
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jedixdoes that make it okay?21:20
jedixshouldn't it still be a pkgconfig line?21:21
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csdbyou can run "rpm -qp --provides libEGL-devel.rpm" to see what the pkgconfig string is21:21
Stskeepsjedix: it's a little too late for me on a friday, but i seem to remember there's something awkward about that particular line :)21:22
Stskeepscan't recall what though21:22
Stskeepslet me know when it fails/if it does :P21:22
jedixwill do21:22
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jedixI think mesa-libEGL-devel will provide mesa-libEGL-devel, not libEGL-devel21:23
jedixdamn.21:23
jedixoh, no..21:24
jedixpkgconfig(egl) = 7.11.021:24
jedixmesa-libEGL-devel = 7.11-14.121:24
jedixmesa-libEGL-devel(x86-32) = 7.11-14.121:24
Stskeepspkgconfig will do the right thing21:25
jedixyou have more faith than I do.21:25
Stskeepsthat, or stupidity21:25
jedixI expect a new and exciting way of failure21:25
Stskeepson occasion i'm pondering which is driving me the most21:25
Stskeeps:P21:25
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jedixsince it's the qt package, I expect the failure to occur sometime sunday night21:28
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vanadis__oh hai22:10
Stskeepslo22:10
vanadis__When adding a twitter-account on my N9, i get an error-message22:10
vanadis__Connection to twitter can not be established22:11
vanadis__anyone knows something about that?22:11
CosmoHillyour internet is working right?22:11
vanadis__yes it is22:11
CosmoHillis twitter working?22:11
vanadis__yes it is22:11
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CosmoHillI'm out of ideas22:12
vanadis__great22:12
CosmoHillStskeeps: tag22:12
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vanadis__well, probably going to take a look a the systemlogs22:12
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vanadis__else i go back to my n900 <322:12
Stskeepsvanadis__: try on 3g22:13
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vanadis__Stskeeps, tried on 3G and on two different Wlans22:13
Stskeepsvanadis__: hmm22:13
vanadis__where is the twitter-account stored?22:14
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mgedminfor the record, twitter works fine on my n922:18
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vanadis__mgedmin, kthx22:19
vanadis__still no way to reflash the device?22:19
mgedminone-click flasher with latest n950 firmware is "coming out soon", last I heard22:22
vanadis__lol22:22
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