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harbaumjust out of couriosity: have ever exopcs be given away via the community device program?10:26
w00ti think so, but not sure10:29
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dm8tbryes, it was not very visible, but I think there were devices going through that too.10:33
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niqtmorning12:13
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* CosmoHill offers niqt (and others) tea12:14
niqt:)12:14
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CosmoHillmy server had been on for 690 days then this morning the UPS failed and caused the server to shutdown, now I can't get it working12:15
SpeedEvilEven without the UPS?12:16
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CosmoHillI'll try that in a second, just looking for a screw driver and graphics card since serial isn't working12:17
SpeedEvilAh - if it boots at all - that's unlikely to be the issue12:17
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CosmoHillas far as I'm concered the UPS caused it cos it kicked in for a power sag which the PSU could survive12:19
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CosmoHillbollocks, I have to move my desk to get the server out from behind it12:21
CosmoHillI unplugged the UPS and the server turned off instantly, the UPS didn't even beep12:22
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SpeedEvilThat length of time with no battery changes...12:22
CosmoHillI think the UPS is 4 years old actually :/12:23
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SpeedEvilyeah - most of the time that'll need new batteries.12:27
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CosmoHillso much dust, but only on one side of the cpu heatsink12:28
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CosmoHillI think it might be the motherboard, the keyboards aren't working but I do get the correct beep code when a graphics card is installed12:38
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CosmoHillthe battery is giving me 13.5v :/12:56
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dm8tbrCosmoHill: and under load? :)13:03
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SpeedEvilBatttery voltage alone tells you little.13:04
CosmoHillI think it's the transformer since if I plug anything into the UPS is makes a loud buzzing noise and if I actually turn that thing on the UPS cuts out13:05
SpeedEvilWhen the UPS is connected to mains?13:05
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CosmoHillno13:07
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CosmoHillI have a PSU connected to the UPS but turned off, as soon as I unplug the UPS it turns off13:09
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SpeedEvilThat is a fairly common symptom of a dead battery.13:17
SpeedEvilIf the UPS is four years old, I'd be surprised if the battery is functional.13:17
SpeedEvilFor example - my UPS is about that old.13:17
SpeedEvilIt - at 10% load - lasts a couple of hours.13:17
SpeedEvilAt the sticker load, it goes off in under half a second.13:18
dm8tbryes 2-3 years tops for idling SLA cells13:19
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* SpeedEvil wishes he could get cheapish reliable LiFEPO4 cells.13:20
SpeedEvilThey don't even have to be that cheap.13:20
SpeedEvilBut I want them to last >15 years.13:20
dm8tbrare they drop in replacements for SLA?13:21
SpeedEvilThere are companies that make drop-in replacement batteries.13:21
SpeedEvilThey're around ten times the price for ones with a guarantee you might actually collect on.13:21
CosmoHillit boots \o/13:21
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CosmoHillit doesn't reboot :(13:23
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/488438367-Factory-directly-12V-7ah-lifepo4-battery-pack-DIY-battery-power-battery-wholesalers.html13:24
SpeedEvilFor example.13:24
SpeedEvil(not one of the vendors I would trust)13:25
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ShadowJKwhy does aliexpress not offer china/hk/sg post :-(13:26
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SpeedEvilThey do - for some items.13:27
SpeedEvilIt's dependant on seller13:27
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SpeedEvilOh13:28
SpeedEvilReading their policy - the isue is they absolutely require a tracking number.13:28
SpeedEvilFor the escrow to work13:29
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ShadowJKhow is that an issue13:29
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SpeedEvilchina/hk/.. post don't do tracking.13:32
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ShadowJKthey do, it costs $3 extra13:33
SpeedEvilhmm13:33
SpeedEvilMaybe just poorly setup.13:33
ShadowJKAlthough, some countries have postal systems with no, or nonstandard NIH-tracking setups, which don't play nice together with the regular tracking13:34
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DocScrutinizerCosmoHill: don't forget to check the cr2032 backup battery cell on mainboard, when you got problems booting the server13:47
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mcfriskHi, where is meego 1.2.0.1 repository?13:48
* DocScrutinizer has seen boards refusing to switch on or boot correctly due to depleted backup battery more than once13:48
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DocScrutinizerregarding the UPS I'd leave that out and try to boot the server from plain mains first. Then check the UPS with a 100W incandescent lamp instead of a electronic device for load13:51
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CosmoHillmobo has gone13:53
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SpeedEvilWhy do you think it's that, not the PSU?13:56
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mcfriskMaybe same question the other way: which OBS project corresponds to http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.2.0/ ? Since it does not build for armv7el I'd branch and build it13:57
Stskeepsmcfrisk: MeeGo:1.2.0:oss i think13:57
CosmoHilltried a different psu in it13:57
CosmoHillyou have to unplug the PSU for a few mins before the computer will boot and POST again13:59
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mcfriskStskeeps: MeeGo:1.2.0:oss builds for armv8el which is fine for iMX53, I think, but where's the output rpm repo?14:10
mcfriskah, following the OBS links I get to http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2.0:/oss:/Update/MeeGo_1.2.0/ but that's not same as http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.2.0/repos/14:11
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Stskeepsi think 1.2.0 upgrade isn't out yet14:17
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mcfriskIVI has release notes out https://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/meego-v1.2.0.1-ivi-update dated in July14:21
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mcfriskI would like to get latest updates to v1.2.0 before I start fixing bugs in it on iMX5314:22
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CosmoHillyou know if Linux 3.1 comes out this afternoon or tomorrow I'll be pretty annoy since I'm installing 3.0.4 atm14:52
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CosmoHilla new mobo and kernel and my server is back online :)15:50
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MSM:)15:54
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CosmoHilloh the fun fun fun udev configuration16:00
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CosmoHilltaken a good few hours to sort out actually :/16:05
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berndhsso if replacing the motherboard and kernel can be done on the same server, what defines the machine ? the fan ?16:14
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SpeedEvilThe case.16:18
GreatgibThe ip address16:19
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Greatgibso when you have ip fallback, your server is now on the cloud :)16:19
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DocScrutinizer:-D16:23
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* DocScrutinizer still wonders why "old" mobo didn't come up16:24
DocScrutinizerthe "wait a few minutes" bit smells like backup battery pretty much, maybe also +5V_standby of PSU16:26
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DocScrutinizerI'd have replaced the cr2032 and reset the BIOS16:27
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DocScrutinizerOTOH why swap the battery when you can get a new board nsterad16:28
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DocScrutinizerinstead* (not all sarcasm)16:28
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DocScrutinizerit actually seems consumer grade mobos are not meant to have a lifespan >2 years 24/7. Server grade hw is a bit different but also rarely exceeds 5y expected lifespan16:31
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CosmoHillthe biggest problem I have now is that I configured stuff once, many years ago16:35
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CosmoHillhttp://stats.cosmo1847.co.uk/16:45
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berndhsdisk usage at 75% will sometimes (often?) slow you down already, seeks taking longer16:48
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CosmoHillatm I'm trying to get my RAID back online16:49
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miksuhhi, I all ask this here too..17:16
miksuhHas anyone tried to use list sections with QML ListView and QML ContactModel (QtMobility)  ?17:17
miksuhshowing contacts in ListView works just fine, but I wpiöd llik17:17
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miksuhshowing contacts in ListView works just fine, but I would lik17:18
miksuhdamn17:18
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miksuhshowing contacts uin ListView works just fine, but I would like to add sections like "A". "B". "V" to listview17:18
miksuhcan't get it to work, or maybe I just don't know how to make it work17:19
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CosmoHill(fyi, that mobo was over 11 years old)17:26
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* CosmoHill has RAID again :)18:33
berndhsnow we're all safe18:34
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CosmoHillonly because I use RAID 118:36
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CosmoHillthis is what I love about linux, you can change major hardware parts and linux will still work19:11
CosmoHillif you do that with windows it will BSOD or won't boot or something else bad19:11
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CosmoHilljust thought, my server had been on for 690 days, the reason it was turned off last time was because it had been running on the UPS for 20 minutes so I shut it down before the battery died19:19
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CosmoHillberndhs: you know you said about the 75% earlier, have a look now :)19:44
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CosmoHill12.6V from the UPS battery and when the UPS isn't connected to anything it turns on, beeps and turns off20:05
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SpeedEvil12.6 is very low for a battery coming off charge20:09
SpeedEvilDo you own a multimeter?20:09
CosmoHillyes20:09
SpeedEvilYou can put the meter across the battery, then try to start it20:09
SpeedEvilIf the battery is dead, you'lls ee a brief drop to below 10v20:10
SpeedEvil(if the meter reacts fast enough)20:10
SpeedEvilBe careful, insides of UPS may be live)20:10
CosmoHillgoes from 12.6 to 11.920:12
DocScrutinizerwhich might be the threshold for the UPS to shut down20:13
CosmoHillI'll give it a charge20:14
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* CosmoHill looks at the questionable 240v wiring inside the UPS20:15
CosmoHill13.1v20:17
CosmoHill13.05v20:17
CosmoHill13v20:19
CosmoHilldoesn't seem to be holding very well20:19
DocScrutinizerlead-acid-gel batteries behave really strange, once they are "over the top"20:20
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CosmoHillthe UPS is turned off and unplugged btw20:21
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CosmoHilloh it was turned on but it turns off instantly20:24
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CosmoHillhow come most of the chatter seems to be related to my or my stuff?20:26
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berndhsbecause you inherited this channel from Intel ?20:38
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CosmoHillprobably20:39
CosmoHillthat's the kinda thing that happens to me20:39
CosmoHillI run CLFS cos nobody has seen the leader since May20:40
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CosmoHillwhat would happen if I connected my UPS to a car battery?21:00
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Stskeepswas nice knowing you21:02
Stskeeps:P21:02
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berndhsit probably won't affect your bicycle21:04
lbtthe charging is probably the only issu21:04
lbte21:04
lbtand the usual UPS batteries are sealed lead-acid - like a car battery21:05
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berndhsmany car batteries aren't particularly sealed, so you get more H2 and O221:07
SpeedEvilCosmoHill: It mauy work fine21:08
* CosmoHill makes a note to borrow his mate's battery21:08
CosmoHill£30 for a possibly replacement battery21:09
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CosmoHillHalfords won't let me look at batterys unless I select a car21:12
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CosmoHillso 120w server, that's like a nissan micra right?21:12
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SpeedEvilA car battery is a bad replacement21:14
SpeedEvilthey are not designed for deep discharge21:14
SpeedEvilebay has some that may suit21:14
SpeedEvilsearch ups battery21:14
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CosmoHillhttp://csb-battery.com/english/01_product/00_pf_general02.php21:17
lbttry http://www.batterymasters.co.uk/Product-Ultramax-NP7-12,-12V-7Ah-with-4.8mm-0.187-Wide-Male-Spade-connection-%28L%28mm%29-W%28mm%29-H%28mm%29-151-65-98%29_1376.aspx21:17
CosmoHillwhat I linked to is the one I took out21:17
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lbtyour link is bad :)21:18
CosmoHillhttp://csb-battery.com/english/01_product/02_detail.php?fid=5&pid=1021:18
SpeedEvilhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=12v%204.5ah&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories21:19
CosmoHillreally? £9? that is very cheap and bigger than what I have21:19
lbthttp://www.batterymasters.co.uk/Product-Ultramax-NP4.5-12,-12V-4.5Ah-Sealed-Lead-Acid-High-Capacity-Battery-%28L%28mm%29-W%28mm%29-H%28mm%29-90-70-106%29_1372.aspx ?21:19
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lbtI bought some nice expensive ones for my UPS - takes 8 of the big ones21:19
lbtthey lasted 2yrs :(21:20
lbtso I'm getting cheaper ones now21:20
CosmoHillaww21:20
SpeedEvilThe cheapest UPSs are probably around the same price as a new battery.21:20
SpeedEvilThey are insanely cheap21:20
CosmoHillit was £30 for a battery and £40 for the UPS :/21:20
lbtSpeedEvil: I used to get Yuasa - did some research a couple of years ago21:21
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CosmoHillthanks for the help guys, I'm off now :)21:23
CosmoHillcyas .o/21:23
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* SpeedEvil wants LiFePO4 cheap.21:24
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jedixAnyone know how to create a repo in OBS and add a new kernel/whatever and get the entire repo you setup to rebuild against that kernel/whatever?21:59
jedixI have a repo which contains my entire distro but I want to create a new build, effectively like a branch except picking up updates to the old repo22:00
jedixis this possible?22:00
Stskeepsjedix: localdep?22:00
jedixdunno22:01
jedixbut it gives me a place to start reading!22:01
jedixthanks Stskeeps22:01
Stskeepslinkedbuild="localdep"22:01
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jedixrepository linkedbuild="localdep" name="localdep" ?22:02
jedixwhat's the name part about?22:02
Stskeepsdunno able name, i never use that22:03
Stskeepsjust a name22:03
jedixhehe, okay.22:03
jedixguess I should move my new graphics stack in this repo too22:03
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jedixso I made that change, but nothing has happened yet22:13
jedixI have a new kernel that built, but nothing has been built against it22:13
jedixthere are currently build going on, so maybe that's why?22:13
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Stskeepsah.. everything else builds against kernel-headers22:18
Stskeepsit's pretty unusual to build against a specific kernel22:19
jedixwell, the headers changed too22:19
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jedixah22:20
jedixyeah, I didn't update a kernel header22:20
jedixs/a/the/22:20
infobotjedix meant: yetheh, I didn't update a kernel header22:20
jedixs/a /the/22:20
infobotjedix meant: yeah, I didn't update thekernel header22:20
jedixdamnit22:20
jedixs/a /the /22:20
jedixhaha22:20
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jedixI give up.22:20
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jedixStskeeps: so my new headers conflict with my old headers even though I have a substitute line22:44
jedixSubstitute: old-kernel-headers with new-kernel-headers22:45
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jedixminus the with of corse22:50
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jedixshould I do linkedbuild="all"?23:07
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jedixeven with "all" there's no rebuild going on except my packages.23:08
jedixyeah, this isn;t working at all for me23:10
jedixI don't have the project as a linked project23:16
jedixthat's probably the issue23:17
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jedixSo I added a link to my project info but it's not showing any package links..23:23
jedixand it's not rebuilding anythign23:23
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jedixIs there a way to force obs to recreate the repo directory? it's deleted23:56
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