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| iekku | morning | 06:18 |
| berndhs | Packages completed: 1132 of 1319 | 06:20 |
| berndhs | give me an hour :) | 06:20 |
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| iluminator101 | can someone send me links to get meego going on a hp touchpad | 06:34 |
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| berndhs | all right, 1 hour was about right, F16beta installed | 07:22 |
| berndhs | i go to bed before it breaks | 07:22 |
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| Guest55192 | hi folks | 08:41 |
| Guest55192 | question about the n9 | 08:41 |
| Guest55192 | is there an application like backupmenu for the n9? | 08:41 |
| Guest55192 | i loved the fact that i could "revert" anytime something went wrong with the N900 | 08:42 |
| Guest55192 | anything like that possible for the n9? | 08:42 |
| iekku | Guest55192, #harmattan is best for the n9 things in general | 08:48 |
| Guest55192 | ok thx :) | 08:49 |
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| beford | go back to sleep | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wish I might | 10:18 |
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| w00t | ^ | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | i am a pacificist, don't blame me for danish idiots | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:22 |
| brik | you're one of the only danes I know, therefore I blame you. | 10:22 |
| CosmoHill | what have I missed? | 10:23 |
| brik | the danes shot Albin | 10:23 |
| brik | (norwegian albino elk, he was famous) | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing 10L of highly concentrated H2O2 couldn't help | 10:26 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | i cant find a meego vdi | 10:34 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | can anyone point me to a downloadable location? | 10:34 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | where can i download a meego vdi from? | 10:40 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | the links that i found on google are broken | 10:40 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | i dont know if this is a general linux question or specific to meego | 14:17 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | but how do i push an application written in c / c++ into a virtual box running meego? | 14:18 |
| * CosmoHill doesn't quiet understand the question | 14:20 | |
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| CosmoHill | Nimesh_Accenture: I'm going out, I'll ping you when I get back | 14:24 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | Hi CosmoHill | 15:01 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | has anyone built a native app in meego? | 15:10 |
| chouchoune | Nimesh_Accenture: what's your question ? | 15:11 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | hi chouchoune. there's this test app inside libresource...which is not part of the meego image | 15:12 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | so i want to build and debug it with gdb | 15:13 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | its not a meego app using meego sdk | 15:13 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | but a native meego app using native meego libraries | 15:13 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | hi npm | 15:15 |
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| leinir | Nimesh_Accenture: uhm... you know, they're the same thing... ;) a Qt/C++ app written using the meego sdk is still a native app | 15:18 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | so how do i build a test app ? using makefile? there's a makefile inside the test folder so should i just go ahead and give make? | 15:20 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | basically there's a tes app for libresource . I want to debug that | 15:20 |
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| leinir | Well, just do what you'd do on any other linux... | 15:21 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | ok.. one more question. which image should i pick if i want to run meego on a virtual box? | 15:21 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i picked meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img and it doesbn't seem to work | 15:22 |
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| leinir | Hmm... well, that's an installer image, so you'd have to mount that and boot from it... How you do that will depend on your virtual machine, and i'm afraid i'm not very well versed in that :) | 15:23 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | I ran the intaller , after it installs I just get the Meego wallpaper and nothing else | 15:24 |
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| leinir | hmm... try tapping the windows key and see if that pulls up the menu | 15:24 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | nothing | 15:26 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | but which one should be a good image for virtualbox? | 15:26 |
| leinir | hopefully someone else knows, i'm not really a vm sort of person ;) | 15:27 |
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| rburton | Nimesh_Accenture: meego netbook needs ssse3 and GL, most virtual machines can't do that | 15:51 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | so which one should i pick for a virtual machine | 15:51 |
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| rburton | if you want to do development, the sdk should be good | 15:52 |
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| rburton | especially if you want to do tablet or handset stuff, because the netbook image wont have a lot of stuff you'll need | 15:52 |
| rburton | Nimesh_Accenture: http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk | 15:53 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i want to change the policy framework. | 15:53 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i dont want to write apps | 15:53 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | specifically i want to run the test app of libresource | 15:53 |
| rburton | so get the sdk | 15:53 |
| rburton | and install that | 15:53 |
| rburton | that has a virtualised environment to run apps in | 15:54 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | but will it allow me access to native libraries like libresource | 15:54 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | linresourceqt is what apps use | 15:54 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | which is a wrapper over libresource | 15:55 |
| rburton | Nimesh_Accenture: yes | 15:55 |
| rburton | Nimesh_Accenture: its got a virtualised meego environment in | 15:55 |
| rburton | there isn't such a thing as non-native apps in meego really | 15:55 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | ok ..cool | 15:55 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | and what do I do if I want to debug those apps using gdb and step into the source code of system libraries like libresource and ohm? | 16:01 |
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| dneary_ | hi | 17:13 |
| dneary_ | lbt, about? | 17:13 |
| lbt | thyes | 17:14 |
| lbt | "yes" even :) | 17:14 |
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| slaine | thiago: Was there ever any demo/example/tutorial code released for the Hybrid Qt stuff ? | 17:27 |
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| slaine | http://qt.nokia.com/files/pdf/whitepaper-qt-hybrid-server-driven-ui/at_download/file | 17:28 |
| thiago | slaine: I can't think of anything specific | 17:28 |
| thiago | but there are many out there | 17:28 |
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| slaine | I've just read that whitepaper and its EXACTLY what I've been looking for as a starting point for my internal project here to replace a Gecko based UI | 17:29 |
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| Kleggas | Neat, there is a channel :) | 17:30 |
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| Kleggas | Was trying to google without luck, so perhaps someone here knows? Waiting for my N9 and nowhere can I find any information about a google+ client for it. Just facebook, skype and twitter. Is there any g+ client for meego? | 17:31 |
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| thiago | Kleggas: we don't know of any | 17:37 |
| thiago | Kleggas: but the web browser should be enough | 17:37 |
| chouchoune | /buf40 | 17:37 |
| chouchoune | oups, sorry | 17:37 |
| Kleggas | thiago: yeah, thought that too but then again that would not be any challange. I got 2 weeks then to learn QT and the g+ api, if I want it from day 1 :) | 17:38 |
| Kleggas | thiago: thanks for info | 17:38 |
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| thiago | Kleggas: also note the #harmattan channel for the N9 | 17:42 |
| Kleggas | thiago: cool, thanks | 17:42 |
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| npm | hours later... Hi Nimesh_Accenture | 17:44 |
| npm | slaine: re hybrid qt see alsohttp://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit.xhtml http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484241.html | 17:46 |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit.xhtml | 17:46 |
| * slaine goes and takes a look | 17:46 | |
| slaine | lol, looks exactly like what I'm looking into | 17:47 |
| slaine | thanks npm | 17:47 |
| npm | svn checkout http://qtzibit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ qtzibit | 17:47 |
| npm | is easiest way to checkout. i have builds for meego rpm's and harmattan .deb's, and qmake/make/make install builds on fedora/linux | 17:48 |
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| slaine | Something for the weekend | 17:49 |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-0.1.0-1.i586.rpm <-- meego | 17:49 |
| slaine | I've got QtSDK installed on Ubuntu 11.04 on my Ideapad | 17:49 |
| npm | if you have all your $PATH setup correctly, should work | 17:50 |
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| slaine | I'll give it a whirl and probably have some questions for you over the weekend | 17:50 |
| npm | see "prerequisites" at end of http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ for links to suggested qtsdk 1.1.3 | 17:51 |
| npm | what are you wanting hybrid for | 17:52 |
| dontbehero | wait, N9 is actually shipping? | 17:52 |
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| slaine | At the moment we've got a PHP generated HTML UI for a touchscreen terminal. The runtime for the HTML is a GtkMozEmbed application, but FireFox 3.6 was the last release to support GtkMozEmbed and so I need to look at moving on | 17:53 |
| npm | ah | 17:53 |
| dontbehero | php posts in dailywtf are hilarious | 17:53 |
| slaine | I'm looking at 2 or 3 things | 17:53 |
| lbt | dneary_: did you want something :) | 17:54 |
| slaine | 1) Replacing Gecko with a WebKit based runtime, probably QtWebkit | 17:54 |
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| npm | makes sense | 17:54 |
| slaine | 2) replacing our php code with something more structured, possibly based on Django | 17:54 |
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| slaine | 3) Far future, Moving to a completely HTML5 based web app, web API's need to improve for that, but a Hybrid Qt app could be the stepping stone for that. | 17:55 |
| dontbehero | when can I buy a n9? | 17:56 |
| npm | well if you don't actually have a server side to it, i'd say #3 and hybrid qt is best bet | 17:56 |
| slaine | We do have a server side | 17:56 |
| slaine | that's the PHP | 17:57 |
| npm | but i'm not a fan of randomly cobbled together languages | 17:57 |
| slaine | hehe, I'm hoping to reduce the number of randomly cobbled together languages to a manageable set | 17:57 |
| npm | not that javascript or qml aren't sort of in the same boat, but at least they're not totally stupid languages | 17:57 |
| slaine | we've quiet a mix at the moment | 17:58 |
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| dontbehero | to make meego apps is it used qt-create? | 18:00 |
| * npm battling some QML issues in what i though was my smartypants two-view on same-model (one List, one Landmark/Map) ... all good until you start deleting and then it coredumps | 18:01 | |
| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/voicetogoog/voicetogoog-map-view.png | 18:01 |
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| dontbehero | what's the situation with meego and tizen channels on freenode? will #meego move to #tizen? | 18:05 |
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| gabrbedd | dontbehero: no, they're two different projects. | 18:07 |
| berndhs | dontbehero: there already is a #tizen channel | 18:08 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: but as for an official, declared, linkable answer... dunno. It's still fuzzy. | 18:08 |
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| * npm frobs mapimage visible property in hopes of working around bug.... | 18:10 | |
| npm | hi gabrbedd | 18:10 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: hey neils! | 18:10 |
| npm | um #tizen is a really happening channel | 18:10 |
| npm | it's like a party in there i tell ya | 18:10 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: I think I visited one day out of curiousity... but I'm usually hanging out in the #mer party. | 18:11 |
| npm | wow , there is a party in there: -rw-r--r-- 1 npm npm 463826 2011-10-07 08:08 freenode_#mer.log | 18:12 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: yeah, folks are pretty inspired over there ATM. | 18:13 |
| w00t | #mer is where all the cool people go :) | 18:13 |
| the-boss | w00t: Error: "mer" is not a valid command. | 18:13 |
| gabrbedd | the-boss: proof that you're not cool, you lbt lackie! | 18:14 |
| the-boss | gabrbedd: Error: "proof" is not a valid command. | 18:14 |
| gabrbedd | s/lackie/lackey./ | 18:14 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: the-boss: proof that you're not cool, you lbt lackey.! | 18:14 |
| lbt | hehe | 18:15 |
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| dontbehero | but, with no official device support, how will meego progress? | 18:17 |
| berndhs | mer doesnt need commands, its a wild bunch of free people ! | 18:17 |
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| w00t | by being hacked onto anything and everything | 18:18 |
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| berndhs | dontbehero: with unofficial device support | 18:18 |
| dontbehero | so it just becomes a regular distro? | 18:19 |
| dontbehero | what's wrong with tizen? | 18:19 |
| berndhs | very little is known about tizen, so nobody knows what's wrong or right with it | 18:19 |
| dontbehero | it's like maemo > meego > tizen | 18:19 |
| dontbehero | oh I see. | 18:19 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: I'm not sure that anyone knows the answer. | 18:19 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: IMHO, the Powers That Be are looking for MeeGo to ramp down and die... but they will never, ever say that. | 18:20 |
| dontbehero | one being intel | 18:20 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: just my opinion, ymmv | 18:21 |
| dontbehero | I think I know what's going on, industry cartel don't want an independent EU OS to enter the market. | 18:21 |
| berndhs | its not about EU | 18:21 |
| dontbehero | if you analyze carefully the developments it all points to this fact. | 18:22 |
| dontbehero | it is QT being at the heart of EU. | 18:22 |
| pixelgeek | Best.Conspiracy.Theory.Ever! | 18:22 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: I don't think it's that at all. | 18:22 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek: +5 | 18:22 |
| pixelgeek | I blame the Oil cartel, myself. | 18:22 |
| pixelgeek | ;) | 18:22 |
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| gabrbedd | lol :-) | 18:23 |
| berndhs | yes there's something to that - Trolltech, Norway, Oil, ... | 18:24 |
| dontbehero | don't be naive | 18:24 |
| pixelgeek | Sorry, dontbehero, you can ascribe a lot of motives to the facts and rumours and speculation, but I really don't see a cartel trying to sabotage an independent EU OS. | 18:25 |
| dontbehero | how's qt embedded for partable apps? I mean does it rival Java shite? | 18:25 |
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| gabrbedd | dontbehero: Look... there's several good business reasons why Intel moved on. I disagree with them, but I respect their decision. | 18:26 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: In addition... Tizen is being more honest to the community about what they can expect in terms of openness. | 18:26 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: The promised a level of openness in MeeGo that they couldn't deliver (mostly corporate cultural issues). | 18:26 |
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| berndhs | Intel wants to gain market share in mobile devices, and gave up on MeeGo helping with that | 18:27 |
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| gabrbedd | dontbehero: In addition, many believe that HTML5 is the future... and to date they're the only ones targeting that (although I think WP is going that direction, too) | 18:27 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: doing HTML5 solves a bunch of problems that they were facing with AppUp and app/device compliance. | 18:28 |
| dm8tbr | that's because it worked so well on WebOS? SCNR | 18:28 |
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| dontbehero | but.. isn't qt's multiple language interface better? | 18:32 |
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| dontbehero | Samsung is going forward with Enlightenment 17 toolkit | 18:35 |
| gabrbedd | dontbehero: multiple human languages... sure. | 18:36 |
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| gabrbedd | dontbehero: multiple binary languages... that's part of the rub. | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | Nimesh_Accenture: ping | 18:36 |
| dontbehero | nokia should stick with meego no matter what | 18:37 |
| dontbehero | why not do like samsung? they use android in the meantime until their bada is ready. | 18:38 |
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| npm | but why would i want some promise of a future OS based on html5 when Google is already got product chromebooks and android tv and ... | 19:31 |
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| Stskeeps | it's ze freedom! | 19:31 |
| npm | by the time tizen is ready , google will already have put out several revs of their html5 stuff | 19:31 |
| npm | and they have a much better line on "upstream" for html5 than intel | 19:32 |
| gabrbedd | npm: tizen is still scads more open than anything google is doing. | 19:32 |
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| npm | promise of open is nothing when it's just talk and no devices are available | 19:33 |
| npm | meanwhile google will have put out several revs and be well ahead of the game, just like they did when they put out android first | 19:33 |
| npm | so it's a plan to be sucking at google's tailwinds basically | 19:33 |
| gabrbedd | npm: sure... just take the honeycomb source code and... erm.... nevermind. gotta wait. | 19:34 |
| npm | but the chromebook isn't honeycomb | 19:34 |
| gabrbedd | ok | 19:34 |
| npm | however, it already is, and delivered by manufacturers, what tizen only promises now | 19:35 |
| gabrbedd | my file is blank on chrome OS... so please delete my statements ^^ :-) | 19:35 |
| npm | and they've already got a "chrome OS" store built into the chrome browser, that'll work for both desktop and chromebook | 19:36 |
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| dneary | lbt, Wondering why Mer couldn't be part of the OpenEmbedded project, more than anything else | 19:36 |
| npm | and it has angry birds so what more is there to do? :-) | 19:36 |
| dneary | lbt, And also wondering what you thought of my article | 19:37 |
| lbt | which article | 19:37 |
| dneary | lbt, And also, wondering whether you have any idea how the IVI & TV guys feel about MeeGo 1.3 not happenning | 19:37 |
| dneary | lbt, http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/10/06/what-community/ | 19:37 |
| npm | also the lure of HTM5 is a promiser of standardization that'll never happen | 19:37 |
| * Stskeeps takes some time to read dneary's article properly | 19:38 | |
| lbt | openembedded are interesting | 19:38 |
| npm | google is already putting in special stuff into their Html5 that will enable their platform to succeed, where tizen has no good plans (e.g. DRM for video) | 19:38 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Also interested in your opinion of why Mer couldn't just be an OpenEmbedded project :) | 19:39 |
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| lbt | I do feel from my time there around the Zaurus that bitbake and oe are a little too OE specific | 19:39 |
| lbt | they're very "make world" oriented | 19:39 |
| npm | i knew meego 1.3 wasn't happening when i attended the presentation on it at the meego conference. | 19:39 |
| dneary | lbt, Poky Linux is/was kind of like what Mer is aiming to be | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i think the answer is the same with "why not debian, ubuntu, openembedded, yocto, opensuse" .. because we have something we believe is good and can satisfy many use cases even in a product environment.. and in addition, that we have skills in | 19:40 |
| npm | you can't do that many pie-in-the-sky changes in one release | 19:40 |
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| dneary | And Poky was a well tested, well integrated OE distro (as I understand it) | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: my own, why not openembedded, is from watching people struggle in the beagleboard irc channel to accomplish simple things.. they just wanted to bring up simple UIs and were hitting problems on every corner | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | and i've seen how easy people have been able to port meego core onto something - so i think we have something good here | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice: we're all improving the upstream software that our every day linux devices consist of, we're just taking one approach out of many | 19:43 |
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| slaine | dneary: and Poky is now Yocto and LF backed and under active dev | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd probably use yocto for smaller devices that aren't meant to be extensible | 19:46 |
| thiago | actually, you can use Yocto for almost everything | 19:46 |
| slaine | I've kicked off a Yocto build over the weekend to see what it's like | 19:46 |
| thiago | but Yocto doesn't have a binary compatibility story | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: let me know how it's like | 19:46 |
| thiago | it's a set of recipes to build your device | 19:46 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: will do | 19:46 |
| slaine | I'm finding OBS infuriating. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: you are hitting some of the rough edges indeed | 19:47 |
| slaine | It's pretty opaque | 19:47 |
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| lbt | slaine: wassup? | 19:47 |
| slaine | I'm sure once you get an environment up and running it's awesome | 19:47 |
| slaine | But man the bring up is a pita | 19:47 |
| slaine | And all the while I thinking, there's now way may QA guys are gonna be happy with this | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | as in the importing of sources/binaries | 19:48 |
| lbt | oh, deploying your own OBS? | 19:48 |
| slaine | Yeah | 19:48 |
| lbt | mmm | 19:48 |
| slaine | Trying to setup a Mer buildhost | 19:48 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, lbt, Well, good luck, but I fear that Mer will lack the resources to gain traction against more established community projects without full-time people and reference hardware | 19:48 |
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| dneary | slaine, And Atom focused ;) | 19:48 |
| slaine | The read me is great but it's a case of using the read me and filling in the steps with n documents on line that might give hints at what the right thing to do is | 19:48 |
| lbt | dneary: yes, agreed | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: readme sucks :) | 19:49 |
| dneary | slaine, I have heard of a Poky-like project for ARM coming soon. Can't say more. | 19:49 |
| slaine | dneary: Doesn't Yocto linux support ARM already ? | 19:49 |
| dneary | slaine, Yes | 19:49 |
| slaine | Yocto 1.1 is due out shortly | 19:49 |
| thiago | and MIPS and PowerPC | 19:50 |
| dneary | slaine, But I know that the ARM manufacturers aren't big supporters | 19:50 |
| * thiago has a Yocto MIPS sysroot | 19:50 | |
| gabrbedd | slaine: I'd like to hear your reports also. | 19:50 |
| slaine | thiago: nice | 19:50 |
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| slaine | Well, so far, it was a piece of piss | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: it's a well founded fear, - one we have kept in mind when trying to design things | 19:50 |
| * gabrbedd must admit that he like's using android's `make` approach a lot more than meego's `mic2` | 19:50 | |
| slaine | if it goes wrong I'll be in trouble ;) | 19:50 |
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| lbt | dneary: I think one thing we're looking for is to be an independent Tizen community area | 19:50 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: I'm the opposite | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: our logic is that if we can do this on a low budget/low effort, so can small to medium enterprises | 19:50 |
| slaine | I built my own build scripts for lincor which I'm happy with | 19:51 |
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| gabrbedd | slaine: it's got its pros/cons... but the biggest (for me) is that when it fails I can usually grok *why* it failed. | 19:52 |
| slaine | yeah | 19:52 |
| slaine | I've a bunch of scripts | 19:52 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, lbt, So - what did you think of the article? | 19:52 |
| slaine | ./buildImage lincorSTB | 19:52 |
| ulf^ | Hi | 19:52 |
| slaine | that goes and makes all our apps into rpms, creates repos and them calls appliance-creator with a kickstart file to create a filesystem image | 19:53 |
| lbt | dneary: I'm tempted to TL;DR you in return ;) | 19:53 |
| slaine | all easy peasy | 19:53 |
| lbt | hey ulf^ | 19:53 |
| dneary | lbt, It's all in the 1st 2 paragraphs after the italic bits | 19:53 |
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| lbt | ulf^: meego obs api is down (I think) | 19:53 |
| lbt | dneary: teasing | 19:54 |
| slaine | lbt, that's one of the reasons why I want to bring up mer locally :) | 19:54 |
| lbt | slaine: yup | 19:54 |
| dneary | lbt, Tizen is for everyone in the communications, but for no-one (yet) in reality; and in the "everyone" there are a bunch of different communities with different needs at different times | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: not disagreeing on any of it, really | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | dneary: as usual well-written article | 19:54 |
| dneary | lbt, I need more graphs & cartoons & call-out text | 19:54 |
| slaine | dneary: fundamentally though it was a non-announcement that's caused FUD | 19:54 |
| lbt | dneary: it makes a lot of sense ... avoids the "trust" issue ... MeeGo burned people | 19:54 |
| lbt | and community needs trust | 19:54 |
| dneary | lbt, You know how you get past the trust issue? | 19:55 |
| lbt | again, we hope that using Mer as a community may allow Intel to get some +ve PR and regain trust | 19:55 |
| dneary | lbt, "Count it" | 19:55 |
| lbt | moblin, maemo, meego ... that's 3 to start with :) | 19:55 |
| slaine | moblin should be counted twice | 19:56 |
| dneary | lbt, I sell you some drugs, you give me an envelope of money. I'll trust you when I've counted it. | 19:56 |
| slaine | moblin that we all talk of was moblin v2 | 19:56 |
| dneary | So: start by being able to show that what you have on the web page is true | 19:56 |
| slaine | a total shift again from moblin v1, which was essentially ubuntu-mobile | 19:56 |
| lbt | dneary: and when you've ripped me off 3 times before.... | 19:56 |
| gabrbedd | dneary: well... it was kind of appropriate that MeeGo's demise was annouced as a "Big Reveal." fitting. | 19:57 |
| lbt | beaten-vendor syndrome :) | 19:57 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: lol | 19:57 |
| dneary | gabrbedd, It was obvious something was coming | 19:57 |
| lbt | gabrbedd: :) | 19:57 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: and it revealed vapor | 19:57 |
| dneary | gabrbedd, No Intel ppl on the lists since early July | 19:57 |
| dneary | lbt, Have you heard from any IVI/TV people? | 19:58 |
| lbt | nothing concrete | 19:58 |
| lbt | Consternation | 19:58 |
| gabrbedd | dneary: Yes, I know. MeeGo has taught me all to well to read between the lines. :-) | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: lists.meego.com meego-ivi has some brief discussion | 19:58 |
| ulf^ | lbt, yes | 20:00 |
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| ulf^ | lbt, I will ping Adam | 20:00 |
| lbt | ulf^: Stskeeps has a theory | 20:01 |
| lbt | bs_srcserver has 20 client limit | 20:01 |
| ulf^ | Stskeeps, ping? :) | 20:01 |
| lbt | and the remote link has http persistent connections | 20:01 |
| ulf^ | bc_srcserver went down yesterday already | 20:01 |
| lbt | ah | 20:01 |
| lbt | I wonder if we could re-raise the IT issue? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | ulf^: minor detail, i noticed that when other OBS'es are linking to another OBS and waiting for events, they will wait until an event happens. with the 20 client limit thing, things should start locking up pretty easily | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | ulf^: wait == obs keeps the connection open until something happens | 20:02 |
| lbt | ulf^: Ryan said "no" to letting MeeGo IT team access the core OBS - but that was pre-Tizen. Do you know if that would be reconsidered? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | which in weekends is well, very likely to happen | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | or when obs is otherwise idle | 20:03 |
| slaine | early start for me tomorrow | 20:03 |
| lbt | ulf^: core OBS: http://isobsdown.bfst.de/trends.api-obs_api.1314144000_1317921806_2011-10-06T17.23.26.png | 20:03 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to hacking on fakeobs | 20:03 | |
| slaine | and a late night tonight | 20:03 |
| slaine | sigh | 20:03 |
| lbt | ulf^: community OBS http://isobsdown.bfst.de/trends.cobs_api-obs_api.1314144000_1317921806_2011-10-06T17.23.26.png | 20:03 |
| slaine | should pack up | 20:03 |
| slaine | Catch you all over the weekend/next week | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | cya slaine | 20:04 |
| lbt | slaine: ping me if you have specific obs issues | 20:04 |
| lbt | have fun | 20:04 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: thanks for the help so far with obs, lbt will do | 20:04 |
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| lbt | dneary: you also didn't comment on "Membership in most project teams ... is invite-only and will mainly be open to people at companies" | 20:06 |
| lbt | and that only "some Middleware development teams will be open to participation on a merit basis" | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least they're being straightforward about how it's likely to be | 20:07 |
| lbt | so a significant (stated, if not actual) change to MeeGo | 20:07 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | instead of false advertisement :) | 20:08 |
| lbt | I've not brought it up that heavily before - but if dneary is writing about kinds of community then it's importatn | 20:09 |
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| lbt | I'm ambivalent | 20:09 |
| lbt | Why should my paycheque matter? | 20:09 |
| berndhs | if someone sends me a paycheck, i'll see it if clears and decide if it matters | 20:10 |
| berndhs | but clearly there are 2 classes of persons, legal persons and natural persons | 20:10 |
| dneary | lbt, I think that it will happen on a case by case basis | 20:16 |
| dneary | lbt, Once a poject has a web presence, and a laser focus, oppportunities will exist to get involved | 20:17 |
| dneary | lbt, And maintainer teams will grow naturally (as they do in any free software project) | 20:17 |
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| ulf^ | lbt, that's a question you have to ask Ryan, not me. I don't know the answer. | 20:31 |
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| lbt | OK - will do | 20:32 |
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| ulf^ | Stskeeps, what do you propose? Increase the connection limit somewhat? | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, 200-250 should be a sane nice linux default | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | then we're on the safe side :P | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is really obs protocol, they might as well just have sent back a message to "go fish, check back in X minutes.." | 20:33 |
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