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| dontbehero | hey | 03:19 |
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| dontbehero | I am having second htoughts about android and app being in java. | 03:19 |
| dontbehero | *thoughts | 03:19 |
| dontbehero | is this a legitimate concern? | 03:19 |
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| dontbehero | any site that has a list of tablets supporting meego? I got the asus transformer, and the shit is creepy due to google's integration. | 03:25 |
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| dontbehero | hello? | 03:28 |
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| dontbehero | yo | 10:05 |
| dontbehero | full supported meego tablets? | 10:06 |
| dontbehero | like asus transformer? | 10:06 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | does libresource expose a DBUS interface ? I'm asking this because say I'm running Ubuntu , Chrooted on Meego then I would need these DBUS API's to interact with the policy framework. | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds like a really messy setup | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:11 |
| nand__ | well... Tizen means 'two asses' in lebanese. Fail! | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | and Mer can with the right pronounciation be understood as 'bitch', but, let's not get ahead of ourselves | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | everything means something somewhere | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:13 |
| thiago | jussi: thanks for the offer. Can you see if the online store ships to Norway? | 10:13 |
| X-Fade | I vote we call it Bacon :) | 10:13 |
| jussi | thiago: be right with you, on a conference call | 10:14 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: in Norwegian, "Mer" means "more" | 10:14 |
| dontbehero | lebanese is a language?? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yeah, in danish and swedish too | 10:14 |
| dontbehero | wtf, exoPC is damn expensive | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | which is kind of the point | 10:14 |
| dm8tbr | X-Fade: and we'll have a one-click installer. push button, receive bacon ;) | 10:14 |
| dontbehero | for that price I can get 7 android devices | 10:14 |
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| X-Fade | dm8tbr: me like :) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | dontbehero: yeah, but android devices aren't intel processor | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:15 |
| dm8tbr | not yet | 10:16 |
| dontbehero | is meego also for arm? then i'd be all set | 10:16 |
| thiago | dontbehero: meego is for ARM too | 10:18 |
| thiago | it can also be for MIPS if anyone is interested in maintaining that | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | someone actually made a MIPS port but i think it got ignored/stalled in the tizen reallocation of people | 10:19 |
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| dontbehero | meego on Nook Color oO | 10:19 |
| dontbehero | I find android devices are like a piece of google malware/spyware. | 10:20 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: MIPS, Inc. was doing that last year. | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me, i had an offer to get a copy of that.. | 10:22 |
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| * Stskeeps should probably reply that mail | 10:22 | |
| w00t | Stskeeps: sounds sensible ;) | 10:23 |
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| nand__ | what is Tizen, and why it is not Limo+Meego -- analysis: http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/001574.html | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | do we know anything about tizen, really? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
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| dontbehero | how a platform that relies in java shit succeds like android and qt which has a more modern look and many ways of programming doesn't succeed is beyond me. | 10:28 |
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| nand__ | dontbehero: it's quite simple, the developer of android so far did not compete with mobile vendors | 10:41 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | anyone there? | 12:28 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | want to talk to people wo have worked on the policy framework | 12:29 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | hi | 12:33 |
| gry | hello | 12:33 |
| gry | some of those people might be idling , this means they will read this later | 12:34 |
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| gry | please ask your question, and someone will forward it to an email if someone knows | 12:34 |
| gry | there is nothing anyone can do without the `what's up` description | 12:34 |
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| lbt | Nimesh_Accenture: you need to ask a question. Vague "I want to talk to" won't help | 13:41 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | does libresource expose a DBUS interface ? I'm asking this because say I'm running Ubuntu , Chrooted on Meego then I would need these DBUS API's to interact with the policy framework. | 13:50 |
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| npm | Nimesh_Accenture: if you get the policy framework running on non-meego/non-harmattan. Is there the policy framework stuff avail. for fedora? | 17:17 |
| npm | ... let me know | 17:17 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | hi npm | 17:17 |
| npm | as far as i've seen it only runs on meego and harmattan | 17:18 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i'm chrooting android from meego | 17:18 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | and want android to use the meego policy framework | 17:18 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | and i think its only possible through dbus or a similar ipc | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | you'd probably want a daemon running on meego and one in android | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | as a layer | 17:19 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | thats what i'm trying to find out. i'm taking a look at libresource | 17:19 |
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| npm | Nimesh_Accenture: all i know of policy framework http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4125 | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | I'd use a layer/daemon with libresource-qt | 17:20 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | libresource-qt is just a wrapper over libresource if i understood right | 17:20 |
| npm | Nimesh_Accenture: chrooting android from meego sounds interesting, but i'm not sure i'd even know where to start | 17:21 |
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| npm | so are you doing this to enable a full "meego" environment on qt in android? | 17:21 |
| npm | sounds excellent | 17:22 |
| npm | where can i sign up? | 17:22 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | we'r basically doing it for an IVI to provide an android front end and the backbones of meego | 17:22 |
| npm | gee you guys have all the fun | 17:23 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | coz Android doesn't have a sophisticated policy framework like multiple sinks | 17:23 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | so my basic intension is to understand if libresource is just a DBUS client or does it expose DBUS methods or is it just a wrapper over ohm | 17:24 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | basically i cant find enough documentation | 17:25 |
| npm | yes it sounds like a difficult integration | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | Nimesh_Accenture, look at the source code? | 17:25 |
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| npm | for example i believe there's policy framework code for handling "low latency audio" for cases that need it | 17:25 |
| npm | that seems missing from android | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | https://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/libresource/trees/master | 17:25 |
| npm | Other policy framework issues: http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/wiki/CitizenJournalismWithYoutubeDirectForMeego#MeeGo_Policy_Framework | 17:26 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | ya taking a look! but there's also this ohm-plugins-misc | 17:27 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | some functions have the same name as libresource | 17:28 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | i must admit i'm quiet new to meego | 17:28 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | so just wondering whats the difference | 17:28 |
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| npm | it's possible the best documentation and working system using libresourcqt is harmattan, not meego "It is probably one of very few parts from Harmattan that went fully into MeeGo (along with the same development team actively working on it!) and fully deserve continuation. " | 17:31 |
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| npm | http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meego-policy-framework-developer-guide.pdf | 17:32 |
| npm | for example http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Best_practices_for_application_development/Selecting_the_resource_application_class | 17:33 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | ya i took a look at that policy framework developer guide. its quiet exhaustive, but explains about libresourceqt. I want to expose the API's on the android side so i need to know if libresource implements a DBUS server ( doesn't look like ) from the source. Does it simply wrap OHM, which inturn i'mplments the server ( maybe ), or neither or a combination of both .I'll take a look at harmattan | 17:36 |
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| npm | as far as i can tell libresourceqt allows dbus event loops to integrate w/ qt... thus libresource doesn't implement dbus server, but is a client | 17:44 |
| npm | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2010-December/011269.html | 17:44 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | so what server does it use . i mean who exposes the methods for the libresourceqt to use ? | 17:45 |
| npm | it expects dbus running on the system | 17:45 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | ya , but the client must be calling some remote methods rite? | 17:46 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | so who exposes these remote methods? | 17:46 |
| npm | libresource and libdbus-qeventloop ?? | 17:47 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | libresource exposes dbus methods? | 17:48 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i couldn't see any.. | 17:48 |
| npm | i think all it does is allow qt eventloop to see dbus events not sure about your question | 17:49 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | process can expose remote dbus objects rite? | 17:51 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | which other processes can use | 17:51 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | so basically as i understand libresource calls on remote objects exposed by "other" processes . I need to know whicj process exposes these objects | 17:53 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | and if libresource is just a wrapper , then I can directly call the remote object methods from android | 17:54 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | rather than meego | 17:54 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | rather than libresource | 17:54 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i mean | 17:54 |
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| niqt | how can compile mer? | 17:56 |
| niqt | whereis the doc? | 17:56 |
| Mirv | niqt: /join #mer | 17:57 |
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| niqt | exuse me i have typed in other chat.. | 17:58 |
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| Myrtti | well then... | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 18:14 |
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| aheinecke | Hi, i've just got access to an n950 and i am trying to install some applications from the build service. But even when updating qt i get aegis errors that packages will not be replaced from unkown origin | 18:15 |
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| aheinecke | how do you install development software on a harmattan device? do i need to add the repo somewhere as a "known" origin? | 18:16 |
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| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 18:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | aheinecke: dude, you're not supposed to do that. | 18:17 |
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| TSCHAKeee | aheinecke: all moral issues aside, there are many security policies on aegis that prevent you from just blindly installing packages on the system. | 18:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee | aheinecke: the whole bloody point with the n950 is to follow the development environment of the N9. | 18:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | but whatever | 18:19 |
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| aheinecke | yeah well i don't want to blindly install stuff i want to get kontact-touch running on that device as it was running on maemo 5 but i'm blocked at even updating qt | 18:19 |
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| TSCHAKeee | aheinecke: you're not listening to me. | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you update Qt | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | you'll be out of sync with the version that is running on the N9 | 18:21 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the N950 is a dev phone specifically tracking the N9. | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | . o O (I swear, hard headed fucking developers) | 18:21 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what specifically is preventing it from building/running? | 18:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | you may have a better time of it over in #harmattan | 18:23 |
| aheinecke | well basically nothing, i've just trying to get a picture what's already packaged and was trying to install software like kdelibs from the meego buildservice | 18:23 |
| aheinecke | but thanks for your information | 18:23 |
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| npm | what if?... AMD adopted meego.... :-) | 19:16 |
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| wmarone | if AMD joined either project, it'd be a decent counterweight to Intel | 19:19 |
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| vgrade | AMD did join I thought | 19:20 |
| sidqq | oooh... meego talk | 19:20 |
| vgrade | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/15/amd-will-contribute-engineering-expertise-to-meego-development/ | 19:21 |
| sidqq | i'm confused, is meego dead? i filed a bug months ago and got an update 2 days ago | 19:21 |
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| sidqq | looks like resources have been moved to tizen | 19:22 |
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| dm8tbr | sidqq: new development has stalled it seems, and most likely transferred to tizen. but maintenance is most likely still happening for previous releases that were/are productized | 19:23 |
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| sidqq | so sad, i liked meego | 19:24 |
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| sidqq | even the name was easy on the ears. tizen on the other hand ... | 19:25 |
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| npm | i think they should have called it "molozen" :-) | 19:41 |
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| dm8tbr | npm: nah the new name has what the internet needs. you just need to pronounce it right: [tits-en] | 19:43 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if those are english. | 19:44 | |
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| nand__ | info about death of meego is prematured, it seems that korean engineers from Samsung are not yet ready to write in English -THAT'S WHY there's shortage of info on tizen and no feedback | 19:48 |
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| chouchoune | what ? | 19:49 |
| nand__ | also nobody among the inventors of tizen knew libanese enough - tizen means 'two asses' in it | 19:49 |
| chouchoune | that would suck if it's the only reason | 19:49 |
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| nand__ | chouchoune: sure not the only, corporate style mixed with confucianism is most probably more important, i.e. "do what I tell you to do, dont ask questions to your boss" | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually got less clue how to pronounce tizen than I had about maemo | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | TI-Zen? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | teeez'n? | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure that shouldn't be Intel-Zen ? | 21:19 |
| RST38h | no. | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I love to think it "Tyson" (like Mike) | 21:20 |
| RST38h | It is pronounced as "limo" though | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 21:20 |
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| CosmoHill | tizz'n | 21:21 |
| RST38h | Has Lovecraft got any critters named Tizen btw? | 21:21 |
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| dontbehero | hey | 22:23 |
| dontbehero | anyone working on transformer port? | 22:23 |
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| CosmoHill | I hope you don't meant her movie | 22:26 |
| CosmoHill | the* | 22:26 |
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