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| elcaset__ | I'm going to the Intel AppUp Elements in Seattle. Anybody else going? | 00:23 |
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| gass | hello there | 00:41 |
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| gass | can anyone point me out do any docs about installing meego (netbbok) on a regular fedora distro? | 00:42 |
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| elcaset__ | gass: i don't understand. you want to install Meego in a virtual machine or something on Fedora? | 00:55 |
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| gass | elcaset__, no ... in the distribution ... not on any virtualmachine | 01:05 |
| gass | elcaset__, i already found the repositories | 01:05 |
| gass | it has all the distribution | 01:06 |
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| elcaset__ | gass: then I'm guessing you meant to say the Meego sdk. You can't install Meego OS within another OS. | 01:19 |
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| Ganymede | Are people usually taking their meego pre-installed Atom netbooks and installing their own Linux distro like Arch on it? Or is that nightmarishly difficult to accomplish? The device has a plain 2.5 inch SSD so I could just maybe take it out and plug into into a pre-existing Arch Linux desktop to install the OS onto the disk and put it back into the netobok. | 05:18 |
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| wmarone | Ganymede: netbooks that run MeeGo tend to be plain atom netbooks, nothing special about them in most cases. | 05:50 |
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| Ganymede | wmarone: Then again, I'm not all that familiar with Atom...anything that runs on x86 would run on Atom (well...seeing as how Atom IS x86)? | 05:58 |
| wmarone | yes, essentially | 05:58 |
| wmarone | anything netbook/tablet wise | 05:58 |
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| Ganymede | Cool, thanks. | 06:03 |
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| elcaset | as far as i understand, anything that runs onAtom will run on x86, but most OSes written for Atom, will not run on non-Atom x86. | 06:11 |
| beford | no | 06:11 |
| beford | Atom just includes some additional instruction set | 06:12 |
| beford | that is not available on AMD and old Intel processors | 06:12 |
| elcaset | beford: so, as long as you're using a new-ish x86 CPU, you should be ok? if so, that's very good. | 06:13 |
| wmarone | atom includes nothing special that isn't available on newer AMD processors as well | 06:14 |
| wmarone | pretty much that amounts to SSSE3 | 06:14 |
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| beford | yea, that's the name SSSE3 | 06:14 |
| beford | :P | 06:14 |
| elcaset | that means I could run Meego on a standard laptop or desktop. kuhl! | 06:15 |
| beford | yea :) | 06:15 |
| beford | except if it includes discrete graphics xD | 06:15 |
| beford | nvidia or ati | 06:15 |
| beford | the binary/closed source drivers are not available out of the box | 06:16 |
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| elcaset | but maybe my Toshiba Tecra A6 POS laptop with Intel graphics could run Meego? | 06:25 |
| beford | yea it should | 06:26 |
| elcaset | I need to find a way to burn a Meego live image to DVD so i can try it. | 06:26 |
| wmarone | depends on the CPU | 06:26 |
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| elcaset | ok i'll look at it's specs. | 06:26 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:30 |
| elcaset | morning iekku | 06:31 |
| elcaset | Intel Core Duo T2300 . is that enough info? | 06:32 |
| beford | I was checking here and I see no references for Core Duo cpus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSSE3 | 06:35 |
| beford | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=364 | 06:35 |
| beford | but it seemed to work for somebody else | 06:35 |
| elcaset | oh noes. meaning it prolly does not support SSSE3? | 06:35 |
| elcaset | huh. ok I must investigate. | 06:36 |
| beford | just create or download the live disk and try | 06:36 |
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| elcaset | i will, but a few months ago, i couldn't find a live DVD image for meego only a live USB one. I'll try to hunt again for it. | 06:38 |
| beford | Required: Copy the image to a USB drive or burn it to CD. | 06:39 |
| beford | Note: Image size (img): 900~ MB | 06:39 |
| beford | Images have been compatible with CD and USB for a while | 06:39 |
| elcaset | beford: thanks very much. I'm going for it. woohoo! | 06:41 |
| elcaset | they really should reword that to DVD instead of CD, but oh well. | 06:42 |
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| beford | yep | 06:43 |
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| iekku | file a bug :) | 06:48 |
| iekku | it wasn't even a joke, i agree with you | 06:49 |
| wmarone | hm | 06:55 |
| wmarone | elcaset: I doubt your CPU has support for SSSE3. do you have anything other than windows on it? | 06:56 |
| elcaset | wmarone: I've run many different GNU/Linux distros on it. | 06:57 |
| wmarone | elcaset: but is there one on it currently? | 06:57 |
| elcaset | but nothing installed on it right now. | 06:57 |
| wmarone | hm | 06:59 |
| wmarone | cause you could check the output of /proc/cpuinfo for SSSE3 | 06:59 |
| elcaset | why? | 06:59 |
| elcaset | oh. got it. | 06:59 |
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| elcaset | i don't see any meego torrents on the official meego site. that seems odd to me. | 07:10 |
| wmarone | meego is not a typical distribution | 07:11 |
| elcaset | wmarone: because Meego is more of a base to build upon, instead of a ready-to=use distro? | 07:13 |
| wmarone | yup | 07:13 |
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| elcaset | got it. | 07:13 |
| elcaset | but i also don't see an md5 or sha1 or sha2 for meego. | 07:15 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/meego-merge-limo-nec-panasonic-samsung/ | 10:05 |
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| sivang | morning all | 10:06 |
| chouchoune | hello | 10:06 |
| sivang | Has anyone heard of the the supposedly Intel MeeGo merger with LiMo? | 10:07 |
| dm8tbr | Alison_Chaiken: yes, followup in #meego-bar | 10:07 |
| sivang | I wonder what this would mean for us. | 10:07 |
| dm8tbr | rumors in #meego-bar please | 10:07 |
| sivang | right | 10:07 |
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| sivang | thanks dm8tbr | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | ehlo all | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | ehlo | 10:34 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: How is existance this morning? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: good | 10:34 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: smoku reports evil Chinese (tm) refused to give him the kernel sources =( | 10:35 |
| mece | yeah. that was a huge bummer. | 10:35 |
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| RST38h | Well, they are businessmen, they want to sell their kit | 10:36 |
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| mece | RST38h, I guess they didn't really care about gpl | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | why would they? | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, did you read the news about raster probably becoming our new overlord? | 10:37 |
| RST38h | also, I am not even sure they are violating gpl. They *are* making source code available, it is the conditions that suck | 10:37 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Well, I have suspected that for months now, are there anything new on this ? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/meego-merge-limo-nec-panasonic-samsung/ | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Not sure it is good news. We do know of at least one merge with Moblin =) | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Would be much more interested in a properly open commercial Limo device instead. | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: dunno if it's good or bad news | 10:41 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: The best idea would be to catch raster here and ask =) | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, he did manage to confirm my suspicions by a mailing list post about SLP SDK magically getting redacted after i pointed it out to him ;) | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: What is SLP SDK? All I am getting is empty posts on Meego mailing lists | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: exactly | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: Samsung Linux Platform | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:44 |
| RST38h | Ahhaha! | 10:45 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: One thing to note is, raster's thing is based on his own e-derived UI | 10:53 |
| slaine | EFL | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, if they adopt Qt/QML, all their original stuff will have to go, Maemo-style. | 10:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: i.e. they will have to do what [most likely] killed Maemo | 10:55 |
| slaine | Hmmm, did I miss something ? | 10:55 |
| slaine | or is it still speculation | 10:57 |
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| dylo^ | what about that intel embeds meego to limo? it is tru | 11:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | No, meego and slackware have merged to become slackgo. Everything will be installed by pkgtool, but the fvwm desktop will have meego icons. | 12:01 |
| dylo^ | ;) | 12:03 |
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| dm8tbr | no it will be called LimBo! | 12:04 |
| Greatgib | dm8tbr: +1 :) | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | but seriously, discussion of rumours please in #meego-bar | 12:04 |
| Bostik | naahh, meego+gentoo; default installation will have a VM-based OBS for building everything from source :) | 12:04 |
| dm8tbr | emerge phonecall :) | 12:04 |
| dylo^ | dm8tbr ah.. thanks | 12:04 |
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| artemma | MeeGo + Limo = MeeMo - means "miss" (like in a missed opportunity) in Russian. I am sorry | 12:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | artemma: So are we. | 12:05 |
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| artemma | seriously though it could be a good step. MeeGo SW side is not that bad, just need a good back support from device manyfacturers | 12:06 |
| Bostik | so a guy strolls into a meego-bar... | 12:06 |
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| dm8tbr | artemma: take it to the bar please. | 12:06 |
| artemma | dm8tbr: Here we come to the channel topic: I feel real bad that Nokia won't disclose harmattan sources | 12:06 |
| artemma | it makes business sense for nokia to hide it | 12:07 |
| thiago | the open source parts of harmattan will be opened, of course | 12:07 |
| artemma | but the other world would be better if harmattan UX could be reused | 12:07 |
| artemma | thiago: open parts of harmattan is exactly what's not important :) | 12:07 |
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| * thiago thinks it is | 12:08 | |
| artemma | that is if I understand correctly that UX (swyping, lock screen, core apps) are closed | 12:08 |
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| thiago | right | 12:08 |
| thiago | but harmattan is also off-topic | 12:08 |
| artemma | oups | 12:08 |
| artemma | sorry guys | 12:08 |
| thiago | would be nice if those things were released to MeeGo | 12:08 |
| thiago | if they are not, they are off-topic | 12:08 |
| artemma | I was sure it's #harmattan channel | 12:08 |
| av500 | Panasonic makes these awesome professional microwaves, image now being able to run meego on them | 12:09 |
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| sivang | artemma: lol | 12:10 |
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| Greatgib | This is strange, there is almost no more activity on meego-dev mailing list | 12:18 |
| dm8tbr | Greatgib: join #meego-bar for the latest gossip ;) | 12:19 |
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| Greatgib | Is there a #meego-dev channel on irc? when i try to go there, irc tell me that it is impossible because i'm banned of meego-dev. But I never went there. | 12:20 |
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| thiago | Greatgib: this channel should be enough for development questions. | 12:22 |
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| leinir | hmm... that channel shouldn't as much have a ban on *@* as just redirect people here ;) | 12:24 |
| Greatgib | thiago: ok, I never need a #meego-dev channel but i was wondering :p | 12:25 |
| thiago | I think freenode has forwarding, so banning wasn't needed | 12:26 |
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| dm8tbr | thiago: who knows, maybe there is. if you are on the target channel for a forward you will get a 'you are banned' if you try to join a forwarded channel | 12:27 |
| thiago | that makes sense :-) | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://gizmodo.com/5844149/has-steve-ballmer-lost-the-support-of-microsoft-employees | 12:29 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:10 |
| slaine | morning Jaffa | 14:11 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: got any ideas for a proposal I'm writing for rovio to allow us to distribute a copy of angry birds in meego ce? | 14:15 |
| alterego | I've been asked to email a proposal :/ | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, a good question is why not to just link html5 version.. | 14:16 |
| dm8tbr | does it work well enough? | 14:16 |
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| alterego | Not sure yet, should work fine. | 14:16 |
| artemma | alterego: could showing love to developers be a good argument? Rovio makes a lot of sense as a company, may be interested in being attractive for potential employees. Or maybe for partners - Angry Birds integrate with more and more stuff over time | 14:17 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Something like, "we're aiming for MeeGo CE to be the next-generation day-to-day OS for N900 users; and including a free version of Angry Birds (as available in N900 Ovi Store, and included on the N9) would go a long way of demonstrating that. All that we would require is $X, $Y and $Z... | 14:19 |
| alterego | I suppose there is also advertising .. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Good will .. | 14:19 |
| alterego | We could do a few cool write ups and reviews etc. | 14:20 |
| alterego | Jaffa you'd be okay with a segment in mwkn? | 14:20 |
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| chouchoune | alterego: what they would probably request is the ability to provide extentions that the users would pay ... no ? | 14:47 |
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| alterego | chouchoune: who knows, I guess I'll know soon enough | 14:49 |
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| chouchoune | I'm just saying that in case it would be possible to include that in a proposal ;) | 14:50 |
| alterego | Well, too late now | 14:50 |
| alterego | And I don't think we can do that | 14:50 |
| alterego | (yet) | 14:50 |
| chouchoune | or to think about how to do that exactly, I'm not sure if it's possible yet to bring closed and non-free extensions/apps to n900 easily | 14:51 |
| chouchoune | yep, that's what I pointed that, anyway if the proposal is sent you'll see the answer | 14:52 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Sure | 15:01 |
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| alterego | Cool | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: then I bet 10 bucks on rovio not being interested in it | 15:44 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 15:46 |
| alterego | Well, we'll see. | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless they already have set up an own independent store infra to sell level packs to meegoCE users | 15:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | hmm | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all that's the way all "apps" been marketed in pre-appstore times | 15:47 |
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| alterego | But LIMO is Gtk based .. | 16:03 |
| alterego | I don't want to go back to Gtk .. | 16:04 |
| araujo | alterego, I think it is primarily EFL-based | 16:05 |
| alterego | That's even worse! | 16:06 |
| * alterego chuck;es | 16:06 | |
| alterego | So, who's decision was this? | 16:06 |
| alterego | Oh right .. Intels .. | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lets wait and see. efl would be stupid. html5 rather | 16:08 |
| lbt_hel | as someone here said "The Maemo and Moblin merge went *so* well..... I know! Let's do it again!" | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | many good reasons why that was a miserable failure | 16:10 |
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| alterego | lbt_hel: I think Moblin were originally thinking of merging with limo before MeeGo | 16:12 |
| alterego | It's a bit of a step back imo | 16:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehe | 16:12 |
| alterego | And it's a very dumb move. | 16:12 |
| alterego | Maybe it'll be Limo that gives up everything and gets integrated. | 16:13 |
| alterego | (hopefully) /me chuckles | 16:13 |
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| niqt | I think that one marriage is enough in life. i think meego need manufactured not other merge | 16:14 |
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| gabrbedd | what did I miss? | 16:15 |
| slaine | gabrbedd: speculations abound | 16:15 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: thanks. | 16:15 |
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| slaine | alterego: I don't remember Moblin/Limo potentially happening before, must have missed that | 16:16 |
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| iekku | is it official yet? | 16:16 |
| alterego | slaine: Maybe I'm mistaken, I thought I heard something along those lines. Or it could have just been heresay. | 16:16 |
| slaine | iekku: not that I'm aware | 16:17 |
| araujo | iekku, soon we will know | 16:17 |
| iekku | ok, let's wait then | 16:17 |
| slaine | Ash threw some fuel on the fire with a recent post on meegoexperts | 16:17 |
| iekku | easier to talk when there's some real information available | 16:17 |
| slaine | and we've all known something was going on behind the scenes | 16:17 |
| iekku | i have been hoping that something is ongoing | 16:18 |
| iekku | since nothing hasn't been ongoing open... | 16:18 |
| slaine | nod | 16:18 |
| berndhs | isn't it the usual confirmation method right now, everyone repeating 1 article ? | 16:18 |
| alterego | I dunno, just seems to me like Intel aren't wanting to push MeeGo .. | 16:18 |
| slaine | people point and laugh at me in me meegoconf tee now | 16:18 |
| * slaine sobs | 16:18 | |
| alterego | Heh | 16:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | slaine, why? | 16:19 |
| iekku | slaine, they are just jealous | 16:19 |
| slaine | "Nokia left you, Intel abandoned you. Open your eyes" | 16:19 |
| slaine | then they hit me with shoes | 16:19 |
| slaine | Ok that last part was made up | 16:20 |
| iekku | :D | 16:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:21 |
| gabrbedd | slaine: You don't know the /power/ of the dark side. | 16:21 |
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| Venemo_N950 | lol | 16:22 |
| slaine | heh | 16:22 |
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| niqt | "Nokia left you" but there nokia peoples working on CE | 16:23 |
| slaine | niqt: And to Intels shame they're doing a fantastic job | 16:23 |
| niqt | :O | 16:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | niqt ++ | 16:25 |
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| patrakov | I have installed meego on the eMMC of my Nokia N900 | 17:25 |
| patrakov | which packages should I install to get the Russian keyboard layout? | 17:25 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone here using JFS on fedora or thinking about it? | 18:54 |
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| ali1234 | i'm using XFS on ubuntu... | 19:01 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2011/09/27/installing-fedora-15-with-jfs/ | 19:16 |
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| qgil | I really hope we get over this "Summer silence" | 20:14 |
| mikeleib | it's fall, dude | 20:15 |
| qgil | Should I have written _Summer silence_ instead? | 20:15 |
| mikeleib | summerSilence in proper Qt camelCase | 20:15 |
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| berndhs | maybe the pope can absolve them from their vows and they can talk again | 20:16 |
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| mikeleib | until then.... | 20:17 |
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| dm8tbr | qgil: well, taking into account that the rumored LiMo is even more closed... I doubt we'll ever hear anything, again. | 20:22 |
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| lamikr | dm8tbr LiMo? | 20:33 |
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| iekku | lamikr, haven't heard the rumours? | 20:36 |
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| qgil | pity that I hate speculation ;) | 20:49 |
| iekku | qgil, hope we know something soon | 20:51 |
| iekku | this situation has last too long | 20:51 |
| RST38h | The result of a merge will collapse into a blackhole! | 20:51 |
| RST38h | (Run for the hills, etc) | 20:52 |
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| iekku | RST38h, i think that's for #meego-bar :P | 20:52 |
| chouchoune | iekku: hope they will announce something (whatever, but I want informations ;)) during Appup Elements tomorrow or on Thursday ! | 20:53 |
| iekku | chouchoune, i'm counting on that | 20:53 |
| mikeleib | by iekku's statement, it is therefore possible to conclude that we know nothing. If we know nothing, then reacting to the knowledge of nothing seems foolish | 20:53 |
| chouchoune | mikeleib: we know nothing, but react to rumours | 20:54 |
| berndhs | well, techincally it is one rumor, repeated a bunch of times | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Furthermore, reasoning about reacting to the knowledge of nothing leads to nothing which is also foolishly nothing | 20:54 |
| chouchoune | that's quite human | 20:54 |
| RST38h | MEANWHILE: "Zombie mobile Linuxes mate. MeeGo and LiMo cadavers elope." -- TheRegister | 20:55 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/zombie_linux_merger/ | 20:56 |
| iekku | it's annoying to know that something is happening, and some parts aren't working as they should and still you need to do what ever you can to do your job and keep on active hobby also | 20:56 |
| berndhs | right, another repetition of the same rumor | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | iekku: please, be specific, what parts are not working for you? | 20:56 |
| mikeleib | w0w.. they know how to write headlines over there | 20:56 |
| RST38h | Brits. | 20:56 |
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| iekku | RST38h, as i said, some parts, without pointing a finger to any certain direction | 20:57 |
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| mikeleib | the headline delivered the appropriate level of sarcasm and bite, but the article itself wasn't as full of invective. I think they could do better | 20:58 |
| RST38h | iekku: is the part vaguely human shaped, round, has a stupid smile, and has been imported from Canada? | 20:58 |
| iekku | mikeleib, :D | 20:59 |
| RST38h | mikeleib: They are not Apple fans, you willhave ot head to Gizmodofor that | 20:59 |
| iekku | RST38h, no | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | different item then? | 20:59 |
| iekku | RST38h, i answered already, please do not continue | 21:00 |
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| qgil | to keep the discussion technical and MeeGo-centric, the point that makes me think/speculate more is the plans on the toolkit, since Linux kernel is assured and the other critical piece that interests device and app developers is the toolkit(s) available | 21:10 |
| qgil | (I was not aware about meego-bar, happy to go there if this topic belongs there) | 21:11 |
| iekku | qgil, i think most of the speculation during today have been there | 21:11 |
| iekku | qgil, but the channel has been silent now | 21:11 |
| qgil | ah goo to know, sorry for the noise here | 21:11 |
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| qgil | #meego-bar then | 21:12 |
| the-boss | qgil: Error: "meego-bar" is not a valid command. | 21:12 |
| iekku | qgil, you weren't even making noise, you should seen what happened when the information came :D | 21:12 |
| iekku | "information" | 21:12 |
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| chouchoune | iekku: rumor, not information, for the moment ;) | 21:27 |
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| iekku | chouchoune, that's why "" | 21:31 |
| chouchoune | ok | 21:31 |
| chouchoune | didn't see that | 21:31 |
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| luist | hey.. does meego identify when i need to install a plugin or codec? | 22:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | A plugin for what? | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware there isn't a general framework. | 22:26 |
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| dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: at least on netbook you can plug stuff into the GST pipeline | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qgil: what's your take on aegis? | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qgil: is FOSS still FOSS if you can't even build a working unchanged own binary? | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know some got the notion of FOSS being about community being able to read and learn. I think this is an arrogant mindset | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in my book FOSS is about being able to *contribute* | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | or change any $arbitrary_detail in a "FOSS system" you payed for as it had been labeled "FOSS" | 22:48 |
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| ShadowJK | Wasn't there someone that said "Atleast if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces", implying you can try fix it? :P | 22:59 |
| mikeleib | free software is free software. | 23:02 |
| mikeleib | you can fix it, neglect it, etc | 23:02 |
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| CosmoHill | ShadowJK: I like that | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikeleib: so what's harmattan for you? OSS without the F? | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (sorry to chan for going a bit OT here, but I wasn't able to spot qgil on any other chan for the last few weeks) | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | there's a topic? | 23:07 |
| mikeleib | I don't have a harmattan | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe meego proper? | 23:07 |
| mikeleib | anyways harmattan != meego | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | DocScrutinizer: qgil was in here two hours ago | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S the point why I apologized | 23:08 |
| RST38h | harmattan can be used on daily basis though | 23:08 |
| RST38h | meego can't | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | qgil was in here 20 min ago when I asked him to say a word about his ideo of aegis | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | idea* | 23:08 |
| berndhs | well yeah, harmattan is an end user product, meego isn't | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: the way you put it I thank God for not qualifying as an enduser | 23:09 |
| chouchoune | RST38h: Isn't the WeTab a product usable in a daily basis ? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | berndhs: nevertheless I think this approach is a bit odd | 23:10 |
| berndhs | it is odd yes | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if Nokia was to make such kind of "end user product" they better had chosen something under BSD licence, and not even bother community with disclosing the sources | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | (which btw they still haven't done yet for harmattan beta2 kernel) | 23:12 |
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| berndhs | so the industry gives you a choice: be disrespected because you're stupid, or because you're in the minority | 23:14 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, does end-user mean proprietary for you DocScrutinizer ? | 23:14 |
| berndhs | take your pick | 23:14 |
| alterego | Cool, finished my QRCode QML element :) For creating QRCodes in a QML app. | 23:15 |
| berndhs | alterego: ah some positive news after all | 23:15 |
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| alterego | berndhs: ? :) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | chouchoune: ask berndhs | 23:15 |
| alterego | I've now got QRCode reader and QRCode writer QML components. | 23:16 |
| alterego | Well, not writer, but presentation item. | 23:16 |
| mikeleib | cool | 23:16 |
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| qgil | DocScrutinizer: sorry, lunch and then connection lost | 23:19 |
| qgil | but I saw your questions | 23:19 |
| qgil | about aegis | 23:19 |
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| qgil | honestly: no opinion about aegis, vainio is the one chasing it to make it OSS friendly - beyond that it's not a MeeGo upstream technology so perhaps it's worth discussing further in #harmattan ? | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | qgil: OHH we got quite a number of very lively discussions about aegis/MSSF over there ;-D I was just interested in a word from one of the FOSS mentors | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for now we're at the point where the better 20% of ex-maemo_now-"meego" developers will abandon the platform and send Nokia a heartly "F*******u" when the next aegis config is even more tighly locked down than the last two | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | DocScrutinizer: would they send them a brown bag on fire? | 23:28 |
| alterego | Would they send the N950's back :P | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Nokia seems to not a bit ashamed to not deliver on the promise of open mode | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | that's much easier to post | 23:28 |
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