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| lcuk | rzr, ask in here :) | 00:10 |
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| lcukn900 | evening fiferboy \o | 01:19 |
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| CosmoHill | "this program contains adult humour". it's 11:30pm, why do you need to tell me this | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CosmoHill, thank the government. | 01:38 |
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| CosmoHill | the conservative part or the lib dem part? | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both. | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're the same thing, anyway. :) | 01:38 |
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| pabs3 | its a pixelgeek ! | 01:41 |
| pixelgeek | hey pabs3 - fancy seeing you here :) | 01:42 |
| pabs3 | indeed | 01:42 |
| pabs3 | likewise | 01:43 |
| pixelgeek | This is my day job. | 01:44 |
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| pabs3 | oh | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 01:46 |
| * pabs3 just visits #meego for kicks | 01:46 | |
| pabs3 | and semi-serious trolling | 01:46 |
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| pixelgeek | I haven't caught up with todays rumors yet. | 01:48 |
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| rzr | berndhs: back | 02:17 |
| rzr | berndhs: i reported a bug in github | 02:17 |
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| rzr | berndhs: i wasnt able to launch e6irc | 02:17 |
| rzr | ping me to rebuild it later | 02:18 |
| berndhs | rzr: i'm checking it now on my n950 | 02:19 |
| berndhs | see if reinstall does anything bad | 02:19 |
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| rzr | seems it's working for u :) | 02:22 |
| berndhs_meego | Yes | 02:22 |
| rzr | where is the package you installed ? | 02:22 |
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| berndhs_meego | 0.6.3 | 02:22 |
| rzr | the one at obs ? | 02:22 |
| berndhs_meego | Right | 02:22 |
| rzr | weird | 02:23 |
| berndhs_meego | Apt-get install | 02:23 |
| rzr | i try again | 02:23 |
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| berndhs_meego | maybe i bump tne version and make it rebuild ? | 02:24 |
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| rzr | no it fork the same way it used to | 02:27 |
| rzr | weird | 02:27 |
| berndhs | i saw it do that once | 02:27 |
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| berndhs | the qdeclarativeview/qml didn't start painting | 02:28 |
| berndhs | was maybe 3 weeks ago that it did that | 02:28 |
| rzr | there is only one file in /opt/e6irc | 02:28 |
| berndhs | should only be the executable in /opt/e6irc/bin/e6irc | 02:29 |
| rzr | ok | 02:29 |
| berndhs | well, and the desktop file and icon in the standard places, wehre Qt wants to put them | 02:29 |
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| rzr | log said | 02:30 |
| rzr | cannot anchor to an item that isnt a parent or sibling | 02:30 |
| rzr | GetNewUSerName.qml | 02:30 |
| berndhs | that was an error quite some time ago | 02:32 |
| berndhs | you're building from source ? | 02:32 |
| rzr | i did from git | 02:34 |
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| rzr | and i just tried the earthling package | 02:35 |
| berndhs | i'm pretty sure my n950 runs the package from c.obs repo | 02:35 |
| berndhs | unless the package manager keeps the directly installed one around when i remove it | 02:36 |
| rzr | also check for debian/rules clean | 02:36 |
| berndhs | the obs is broken on that one | 02:37 |
| berndhs | first thing is does is clean, and there is no makefile | 02:37 |
| berndhs | so the clean code from QtCreator fails | 02:37 |
| berndhs | and in the obs build, it just created a virtual machine, so clean can't possibly be useful there | 02:38 |
| berndhs | before or after | 02:38 |
| rzr | [ ! -f Makefile ] || make -k clean | 02:38 |
| rzr | that the string to replace | 02:38 |
| berndhs | yes but still, that's not relevant to the problem here | 02:39 |
| berndhs | it's just another way to not do the clean | 02:39 |
| rzr | clean: | 02:39 |
| rzr | not clean: build | 02:39 |
| berndhs | right, you want a rule for | 02:39 |
| berndhs | a rule for "clean:" that doesnt clean | 02:39 |
| berndhs | that cannot be the problem | 02:40 |
| rzr | i cant build the way it is | 02:40 |
| rzr | i had to fix it | 02:40 |
| berndhs | it builds in obs | 02:40 |
| rzr | debbuild -S | 02:40 |
| berndhs | and it doesnt build in obs without the clean-no-op | 02:40 |
| rzr | should build source package not the binary ones | 02:40 |
| berndhs | i'm packaging for the obs, i can't package for other machines | 02:41 |
| berndhs | i dont know what environemnt you have there | 02:41 |
| rzr | it also built it that way : | 02:41 |
| rzr | clean: #configure-stamp build-stamp | 02:42 |
| rzr | dh_testdir | 02:42 |
| rzr | dh_testroot | 02:42 |
| rzr | rm -f build-stamp configure-stamp | 02:42 |
| rzr | # Add here commands to clean up after the build process. | 02:42 |
| rzr | -${MAKE} clean #TODO | 02:42 |
| rzr | dh_clean | 02:42 |
| berndhs | as I said, i package for the obs, not for your environment | 02:42 |
| rzr | i do package for obs too | 02:43 |
| berndhs | right | 02:43 |
| rzr | well i gave up for tonite | 02:43 |
| rzr | i need to go sleeping | 02:43 |
| berndhs | yeah don't work all night | 02:44 |
| berndhs | bad for you | 02:44 |
| rzr | thx anyway for this package it looks good | 02:44 |
| rzr | i wish i can test it when i'll be travelling | 02:44 |
| berndhs | its a little different, but works ok | 02:45 |
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| lcuk | morning | 07:36 |
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| tar-gz | Hi! | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 08:48 |
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| tar-gz | Stskeeps, you use meego, yes? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | but only handset profile | 08:50 |
| tar-gz | handset? In phone? | 08:50 |
| dm8tbr | lies! nobody on #meego actually uses MeeGo! :-p | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | tar-gz: yes, meego n900 community edition | 08:51 |
| tar-gz | i'm looking for good os for my netbook | 08:52 |
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| dm8tbr | my best guess is that you'd be much happier with *buntu than with netbook-ux | 08:55 |
| dm8tbr | but grab a usb-stick and try it | 08:55 |
| tar-gz | so why meego its bad choice? | 08:56 |
| dm8tbr | you sound like a pro-user | 09:00 |
| dm8tbr | then again, just try it, boots from usb stick http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ | 09:00 |
| tar-gz | dm8tbr, i was use this long long time ago. | 09:04 |
| tar-gz | but i must know now. Is meego fast? | 09:04 |
| tar-gz | have meego many packages in repo? | 09:04 |
| tar-gz | Can i change default uofit in meego? | 09:05 |
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| dm8tbr | that's what I meant... | 09:05 |
| tar-gz | ;D | 09:06 |
| tar-gz | okay | 09:06 |
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| CPUnltd | hello all... | 09:34 |
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| CPUnltd | have a webkit error I'm trying to hammer out and was suggested to post it in this channel... | 09:35 |
| CPUnltd | when executing the browser I am porting, I get the following message: symbol lookup error /.../libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: ZNSt11__timepunctIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 | 09:35 |
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| CPUnltd | not sure what that means... | 09:35 |
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| Nimesh_Accenture | has anyone worked on Audio policy management? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | Nimesh_Accenture: ohmd, policy framework, etc? | 10:38 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | yes | 10:39 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | exactly | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | there's a few around, what do you need to know? | 10:39 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | i wanted to study the audio policy manager , so wanted to know the best place to start | 10:39 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | basically i wanted to add more sources and sinks and make the audio policy configurable | 10:40 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | the priority etc | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meego-policy-framework-developer-guide.pdf | 10:40 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | cool! thx . i'll read it and get back | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | as a start | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | you can look at the nokia n900 audio policy as example | 10:41 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | where do i find that? | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Nimesh_Accenture: build.meego.com , click projects -> Trunk | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | and policy-* packages | 10:44 |
| Nimesh_Accenture | cool! thans a lot stskeeps! | 10:45 |
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| Beineri | X-Fade, lbt: when trying to do a local osc build it returns "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request remote error: cpio not a 'SVR4 no CRC ascii' cpio" !? | 10:46 |
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| lbt | Beineri: I'm a bit busy for a while - can you report a bug with more details | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Beineri: main obs maybe down | 10:53 |
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| Beineri | Stskeeps: seems to work here | 10:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Beineri: parts of API isn't working | 10:55 |
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| lcuk | lbt let me know when you read the mail | 12:00 |
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| lbt | lcuk: ok | 12:05 |
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| CosmoHill | .o/ | 13:12 |
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| lcuk | morning CosmoHill | 14:04 |
| CosmoHill | afternoon lcuk | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | what is the name of the new lenovo tablet? | 14:18 |
| lcuk | the android one | 14:18 |
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| slaine | K1 or something | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | ok so the s10-3t can be gotten for £240 and the K1 is £399 | 14:20 |
| slaine | s10-3t is a good price at 240 | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | yeah slaine that is what I thought | 14:23 |
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| wart___ | hi, i'm using lsrot. I'd like to use the "new orientation" information printed to dmesg, but iw asn't sure how | 15:29 |
| wart___ | i can get at via evrouter the information delivered to /dev/input/lsrot | 15:29 |
| wart___ | when i go into tablet mode and leave tablet mode | 15:29 |
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| wart___ | but i'd also like to harnass the orientation changes while in tablet mode... | 15:30 |
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| berndhs | morning | 15:30 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: wanna set me a programming task / challage? | 16:29 |
| CosmoHill | (or anyone else) | 16:29 |
| CosmoHill | wait, didn't you guys wanted me to sort out one of the wiki pages? | 16:30 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: yeah, do a design for this http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/moui/index.php?title=Requirements_and_Goals | 16:31 |
| berndhs | :) | 16:31 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: pass | 16:33 |
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| berndhs | just wait until I convince Branson to back me :) | 16:34 |
| CosmoHill | I always find it funny when you look at people's phones and the network name is "Virgin" | 16:35 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt / X-Fade - any chance to run an instance of IMG forMeeGo? or should I run my own for now? | 17:14 |
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| X-Fade | dm8tbr: We might be able to do that when I have setup the new servers. But I'm still in the progress of doing that. | 17:17 |
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| dm8tbr | X-Fade: ok, no hurry | 17:18 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: .o/ | 17:34 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 17:34 |
| slaine | Hey DawnFoster, hope the hands healing well | 17:35 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: thanks! typing is still mostly 1 handed, but it's healing pretty well. | 17:35 |
| slaine | was it your writing hand that got hurt ? | 17:36 |
| DawnFoster | with my hand all wrapped up and the shoulder / chin bruise, I look like i've been in a fist fight with someone :) | 17:36 |
| DawnFoster | unfortunately, yes, but I'm managing pretty well since nobody writes by hand anymore :) | 17:37 |
| slaine | :) | 17:37 |
| CosmoHill | apart from lcukn900 | 17:37 |
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| slaine | I broke my wrist in TaeKwonDow once, few months before a school exam. Stress. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk does it for recreation! | 17:38 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: actually I set one up over the weekend | 17:43 |
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| blizzow | Have there been any attempts at getting meego running on the HTC Slide 4g? That seems to me to be the closest contender for an N950 replacement that mere mortals can get their hands on. | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | blizzow, if you have one in front of you, have a go! | 18:11 |
| blizzow | lcuk: I was asking in order to do due diligence before blowing $500US to get one. | 18:12 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices | 18:12 |
| thiago | what chipset is in it? | 18:12 |
| lcuk | accordign to there, no | 18:12 |
| blizzow | I don't particularly want Android, and want to support meego. But the only meego phone with a keyboard is unavailable to me. | 18:13 |
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| * SpeedEvil points at the n900. | 18:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | n950 is questionably meego | 18:13 |
| blizzow | SpeedEvil: my N900 is getting a little long in the tooth. | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Mine needs dental work after I punched out its teeth. | 18:14 |
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| blizzow | Mine has all her teeth, they're just coffee stained and she has bad breath like my high school lunch lady. | 18:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | (dropped it on the USB connector) | 18:15 |
| blizzow | ooh rough. | 18:15 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: oh nice! | 18:34 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG_Guide_for_beginners | 18:35 |
| lbt | ronan just posted it :) | 18:35 |
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| dm8tbr | yeah, need to read that | 18:36 |
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| lbt | it's a bit of a surprise | 18:40 |
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| lbt | especially : http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG_Installation_for_OpenSuse_11.4 | 18:40 |
| lbt | given http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG#Installation | 18:40 |
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| phaeron | also given he was in conversation with me | 18:41 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG_Installation_for_OpenSuse_11.4#IMG_Configuration | 18:42 |
| lbt | mmmm installation including on-the-fly patching .... | 18:42 |
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| w0rldcitizen | Hi all, | 18:43 |
| lbt | afternoon | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 18:44 |
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| lbt | anyhow .... lets see if we can merge and cleanup | 18:44 |
| w0rldcitizen | HI lbt | 18:46 |
| w0rldcitizen | I have a question about the policy to get on build.meego.com I'm now on build.pub.meego.com | 18:46 |
| lbt | heh | 18:47 |
| lbt | why would you wan't to do that :D | 18:47 |
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| w0rldcitizen | I would like to fix things | 18:51 |
| w0rldcitizen | I don't I can do a sr request from the pub build | 18:52 |
| zRz | meegoexperts: hi can u check those comments http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/nokia-n9-previewed-malaysia-tonight/#comment-11131 | 18:52 |
| zRz | meegoexperts: those guys are neededing help | 18:52 |
| dneary_ | DawnFoster, I'm about for another hour or so | 18:52 |
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| lbt | w0rldcitizen: you don't need an account on build.meego.com for that. The best place to get advice on how to push patches to core is #meego-arm | 18:54 |
| DawnFoster | dneary_: in another meeting now - will ping you when I finish | 18:54 |
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| w0rldcitizen | Ok, who can give me an account? | 18:54 |
| lbt | realistically build.meego.com is very quiet these days - limited RE activity. They have a process for getting an account but you need to be a package maintainer. | 18:54 |
| lbt | step 1 is getting patches accepted ... eventually, when you get maintainership of a pkg, you get an account | 18:55 |
| lbt | you can certainly branch from core to the community OBS | 18:56 |
| lbt | but that will break 3-4 times a week as the core OBS goes down ... so you may want to copy instead | 18:56 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh yayz, the N9 being previewed in ANOTHER MARKET THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT. | 18:57 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee: annoying isn't it.... and just so blatant too. | 18:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | i truly am angry. | 18:58 |
| thiago | 4490 kr here in Norway | 18:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | so much insult to injury. | 18:58 |
| lbt | TSCHAKeee: think about how the people who worked on maemo for 5+ years feel ... | 18:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 18:58 |
| lbt | and then they get the crap for Nokia pulling out from MeeGo *ASWELL* | 18:59 |
| lbt | it's a funny old world | 18:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: you know, I never thought i'd feel worse than when Commodore completely destroyed the Amiga. | 18:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | lbt: ...this tops it. | 18:59 |
| lbt | channel that passion ... make it better | 18:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | Commodore were ignorant. | 18:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Nokia are being deliberately malicious. | 18:59 |
| lbt | no, they're not | 19:00 |
| thiago | TSCHAKeee: deliberate, but not malicious. The N9 isn't coming to markets where Nokia hopes to sell WP7 phones. | 19:00 |
| lbt | some human beings in Nokia are hiding behind a corporate brand and being truly malicious | 19:00 |
| zRz | DawnFoster: are you related to communities management ? | 19:00 |
| meegoexperts | Hi Zrz: Replied to your comment. | 19:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | thiago: malicious is the right word. Tactics like this are done to make a company palatable for hostile takeovers. | 19:01 |
| meegoexperts | I've already been tweeting and did an article ;-) | 19:01 |
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| thiago | TSCHAKeee: any tactic that drops the share price does that. | 19:01 |
| lbt | hey meegoexperts .... you ignoring me now? :P | 19:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 19:01 |
| * TSCHAKeee hugs thiago | 19:01 | |
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| meegoexperts | lbt: of course :-P | 19:01 |
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| thiago | TSCHAKeee: while I hate those decisions as much as you do, I understand what's going on in the directors' heads. | 19:02 |
| lbt | :) | 19:02 |
| thiago | TSCHAKeee: I disagree with their thinking though. And their handling. | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | I do too. | 19:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | short term shortsightedness | 19:02 |
| thiago | yup | 19:02 |
| zRz | meegoexperts: ok thx I hope those pple will reach they plan | 19:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Microsoft obviously intends for WP7 to be #3, by force. | 19:03 |
| meegoexperts | zRz: they have been hitting twitter pretty hard :-) | 19:03 |
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| qgil | thiago: congrats for the Qt Project next step, you had/have a lot to do with it! | 19:03 |
| GAN900 | Microsoft is in for a bad surprise. | 19:03 |
| thiago | qgil: tbh, I just "re-blogged" today. I didn't know this announcement was coming. | 19:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | next step? | 19:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | linky? | 19:04 |
| thiago | qgil: but yeah, as the previous owner of qt-project.org (and .com, .net and .mobi), thanks :-) | 19:04 |
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| qgil | thiago: not talking necessarely about today (although that too) but all the time you put before - without blog post to explain it | 19:04 |
| lbt | and where's mariusso ? | 19:04 |
| thiago | lbt: #qt-labs | 19:05 |
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| lbt | thiago: thought he may hang around here a bit more .... should prod him to | 19:05 |
| thiago | lbt: I will | 19:06 |
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| thiago | qgil: today I praise, tomorrow I will poke. I'll blog about task QTSDK-870 getting no attention. | 19:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | qgil: if you have a few mins.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gzNGMSv0b4 --- and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptff7Zq1tKo ;) | 19:06 |
| qgil | TSCHAKeee: are you the LinuxMCE guy I meet in LA? | 19:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | qgil: ye. | 19:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes. | 19:08 |
| qgil | hi there :) | 19:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | Hello :) | 19:08 |
| qgil | about price of the N9 (this is not the best channel to discuss) but think also on prices at sales start vs prices for the same product just a bit after - it's a common phenomenom for any high end unlocked device - and this is all I'll discussed here about nokia devices ;) | 19:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | we know, that's not really the issue most of us are pissed off about | 19:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | but you know this already | 19:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 19:10 |
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| qgil | :) | 19:10 |
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| * TSCHAKeee idly wonders when the N9 will be released in Zimbabwe... | 19:11 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | (ok ok ok that was just wrong, sorry) | 19:11 |
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| w0rldcitizen | lbt to who can I sent patches? I'm currently working on the pandaboard | 19:12 |
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| lbt | discuss with Stskeeps in #meego-arm | 19:13 |
| w0rldcitizen | ok thank you | 19:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | are the pandas not so endangered anymore? (I always seem to notice board shortages when i try to order one) | 19:15 |
| qgil | thiago: even if https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-870 sounds grave from the subject, in fact it might be a little bug getting the non-free license agreement requirement when you are not downloading e.g. Harmattan specific stuff - but yeah | 19:15 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: ping | 20:05 |
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| DawnFoster | hey thiago | 20:06 |
| * CosmoHill builds an RPM based distro...once he's backed up my basis | 20:06 | |
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| Sumitava | Hi All... I'm very new to this Forum Infact first day, I have just bought a Netbook with Meego OS, and I'm trying to connect my Mobile Internet with it via USB and unable to do it. The system is not recognising my Samsung Corby Phone. Please Help. | 20:17 |
| CosmoHill | Sumitava: you mean IRC? | 20:18 |
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| Sumitava | CosmoHill: Nope I'm trying to connect to Internet | 20:19 |
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| CosmoHill | bluetooth or usb? | 20:19 |
| Sumitava | USB | 20:19 |
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| Deihmos | Is this project dead as a mobile OS? | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | Deihmos: no it's very much alive | 20:22 |
| Sumitava | CosmoHill: Anything Dude? | 20:23 |
| Deihmos | When are the phones coming out? | 20:23 |
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| Deihmos | I thought it went the way of Webos | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | Sumitava: sorry, do you know if your phone is supported under linux in general? | 20:23 |
| CosmoHill | I don't know when phones are coming out and webOS is closed source | 20:24 |
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| Sumitava | CosmoHill: Honestly I'm not sure abt the phone supporting Linux, I thought it should just plug and play.... is there any place where I can get some reference? | 20:25 |
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| CosmoHill | you'd just have to search the web | 20:25 |
| Sumitava | gocha... I tried .. did not get much help thought the community could ... thanks anyways | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | hope you get it working :) | 20:26 |
| Sumitava | Thnxs Nathan :) | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | np | 20:27 |
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| digitalsky | is anyone here familiar with building the meego project with OBS? | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | digitalsky: the whole meego project? | 20:29 |
| digitalsky | all those rpms yea | 20:29 |
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| CosmoHill | that will take a long time with little to no benefit unless you change the core packages; why do you intend to do this? | 20:30 |
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| digitalsky | developing a project based on meego | 20:31 |
| digitalsky | add customization, custom packages, etc. | 20:31 |
| CosmoHill | why not just take the meego core and build upon that? | 20:31 |
| digitalsky | just taking a local copy and running with it | 20:32 |
| dm8tbr | you can take a snapshot of e.g. 1.2 and import it into your OBS | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | your project is open source isn't it? | 20:33 |
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| digitalsky | not sure what the plans are in terms of licensing | 20:35 |
| CosmoHill | if it's not open source you can't use the COBS | 20:35 |
| digitalsky | what's COBS? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | OBS | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | Community OBS | 20:36 |
| lcuk | OBS is the build service | 20:36 |
| lcuk | which makes packages in various formats | 20:36 |
| lcuk | evening CosmoHill | 20:36 |
| * CosmoHill always assumes people mean the community OBS | 20:36 | |
| CosmoHill | hi lcuk | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I'm making an RPM distro :) | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | cool stuff | 20:37 |
| * CosmoHill goes to install RPM's dependancies | 20:37 | |
| * lcuk wishes he was clever | 20:37 | |
| digitalsky | oh you mean build.opensuse.org? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | digitalsky, in this instance https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | build.pub.meego.com | 20:37 |
| lcuk | but based on the opensuse one | 20:38 |
| digitalsky | actually we've set up a local instance of OBS | 20:38 |
| digitalsky | so, not using any of the public OBS instances | 20:39 |
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| digitalsky | so regarding meego in OBS | 20:47 |
| digitalsky | anyone familiar with the project configs there? | 20:47 |
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| digitalsky | lcuk? CosmoHill? | 20:50 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not | 20:50 |
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| digitalsky | thanks CosmoHill | 20:50 |
| digitalsky | In the project configs, there is the %vendor meego and %_vendor meego macro definitions. I'm trying to change that but it seems like a lot of the .spec files depend on them | 20:51 |
| digitalsky | eg. the spec file hard-codes "meego" in some directories so the build fails when I change it from meego to something else. | 20:52 |
| digitalsky | thought I would try this channel to see if anyone has experience on this. | 20:52 |
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| dm8tbr | that's interesting. although I'm not sure if 'vendor' in this context means what we think | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | digitalsky, the best person/people would be Sage Stskeeps lbt as they handle these most of the time | 20:58 |
| digitalsky | You know if you do a "rpm -qip" on the built rpm packages | 20:58 |
| digitalsky | the "Vendor" reflects what "Vendor" is set to in the spec file. | 20:59 |
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| digitalsky | and if the spec file doesn't explicitly specify a vendor, then apparently the %vendor from the project config is used | 20:59 |
| digitalsky | at least this is what I observed. | 20:59 |
| digitalsky | thanks lcuk. Sorry i'm really new to IRC and the meego project, what/who is Sage Stskeeps lbt? | 21:00 |
| * lbt is lbt :) | 21:00 | |
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| lbt | I work on the community OBS. Sage and Stskeeps are the guys who look after the arm port and are generally community minded and helpful | 21:01 |
| lbt | but I'm having tea right now... I'll be back later | 21:01 |
| digitalsky | oh these are user ids.... :) | 21:01 |
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| meegofreak | hello is this library somewhere compiled for meego : ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/alpha/libgcrypt/ | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, libgcrypt package | 22:06 |
| meegofreak | where hosted? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | trunk | 22:06 |
| meegofreak | meego-deb or meego-rpm ? | 22:06 |
| meegofreak | URL? | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | build.meego.com , projects -> trunk | 22:07 |
| meegofreak | ok, and for maemo ? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 22:08 |
| digitalsky | Hi Stskeeps. lcuk suggested that I should talk with you regarding an issue with defining vendor for rpm packages | 22:08 |
| meegofreak | All Public Projects which include 'gcrypt' (0) No projects found | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: yes, what are you trying to do? | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | meegofreak: http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=libgcrypt&project=Trunk | 22:09 |
| digitalsky | so my team has set up a local OBS instance, and also linked the meego project from build.meego.com (i think) | 22:09 |
| digitalsky | and we're interested in changing the vendor from meego to something else | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:09 |
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| digitalsky | so that when you do a "rpm -qi" on the built rpms, the vendor of some packages would show something else other than "MeeGo" | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | you'd need to edit rpm sources and prjconf likely | 22:10 |
| digitalsky | yea | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | prjcofn may be enough | 22:10 |
| digitalsky | so i've observed that in the project config | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | is there anything that breaks? | 22:10 |
| digitalsky | there is the %vendor and %%_vendor macros defined to be "meego" | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | right | 22:10 |
| digitalsky | and from what i can see | 22:10 |
| digitalsky | if the spec file doesn't explicitly specify the vendor | 22:11 |
| digitalsky | then the value from the proj cfg is used | 22:11 |
| digitalsky | so i went ahead and changed those 2 macros | 22:11 |
| digitalsky | but then builds start to break, | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | right, i can think of a few places it may break, such a cross compilers | 22:12 |
| digitalsky | and it looks like a lot of spec files have the words "meego" hardcoded in some dirs it looks for | 22:12 |
| digitalsky | let me find an example. one sec | 22:12 |
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| Stskeeps | the best thing you can do is to 1) provide patches / file bugs or 2) file bugs on those areas you see | 22:13 |
| digitalsky | yea i can do that | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a case that's tested very often, so | 22:13 |
| digitalsky | but meanwhile, i have to figure out what changes are needed | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:13 |
| digitalsky | (still looking for an example) | 22:13 |
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| digitalsky | actually, can you tell me which project to look at? MeeGo:1.1:Core? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | Trunk, ideally | 22:14 |
| digitalsky | (i didn't set this up so I'm not sure exactly which project was cloned for my local instance) | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | that's where patches will go into | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | also, fwiw, OBS links are really intensive :P | 22:14 |
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| CosmoHill | what's the name of the first rpm package that is required by all others for meego? | 22:16 |
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| digitalsky | http://build.meego.com/package/view_file?file=gcc.spec&package=gcc&project=Trunk&srcmd5=a1d92b3cf8ce9f42a94ffb2683210707 | 22:16 |
| digitalsky | that's gcc.spec | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | right, it hardcodes meego vendor? | 22:16 |
| digitalsky | line 21 | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | you're right, that's a bug | 22:17 |
| digitalsky | %define cross_gcc_target_platform %{crossarch}-meego-linux-gnueabi | 22:17 |
| digitalsky | i would change that to | 22:17 |
| digitalsky | %define cross_gcc_target_platform %{crossarch}-%{vendor}-linux-gnueabi | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 22:17 |
| * CosmoHill sighs cos he'll be writing .spec files in a bit | 22:17 | |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-core.png , pick one | 22:17 |
| digitalsky | and unfortunately, these hardcoded dir names seems to be all over the place - gcc, glibc, etc | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: if you find the errors, i will help sponsor getting those changes uploaded/submitted | 22:18 |
| digitalsky | well that's what i' mgoing through now. but it's kinda hard with so many packages. it's gonna take a while | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | i have a minimal core derived from meego that should make good for testing those kind of things | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: thanks | 22:19 |
| digitalsky | sorry i'm really new to meego. so once i figure out all the places that needs changed, how to i report that to meego devs? or where do i send the patch? | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | digitalsky: OK, if you have a OBS link, you can get pretty far with just providing osc diff > mypatch and submitting those to meego-dev@ | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | or just point me to the diff and i'll help upload | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | as i can see benefit in fixing these kind of annoying issues :P | 22:20 |
| digitalsky | hmm the thing is, i'm doing this change in a private instance of OBS so it's not going to be visible to you. | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | osc diff won't reveal anything interesting | 22:21 |
| digitalsky | i can still do the osc diff and send out the patch | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:21 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: how did you make that graph? | 22:21 |
| digitalsky | where can i reach you? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: agile browser | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: here, always, generally | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: carsten@maemo.org / carsten munk | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: out of morbid curiousity, are you doing ARM builds as well? | 22:22 |
| digitalsky | ok. IT doesn't like IRC so i might not be able to get on here in the future. I'll save that email | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | as that's my primary area/where we're (as in my team) is responsible to fix | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:22 |
| digitalsky | yes | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | alright then | 22:22 |
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| Stskeeps | you will need to provide Signed-off-by, as with linux kernel, https://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | but no copyright transfer or something like that | 22:23 |
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| digitalsky | ok i'll bring this to the guy who setup all this OBS/meego stuff. | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, yes, it seems to be a problm | 22:24 |
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| digitalsky | so i guess the only way is just search and replace all the spec files for meego. | 22:24 |
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| digitalsky | or can u tihnk of a better way? | 22:24 |
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| imark | can anyone tell me how to change the hostname on meego | 22:24 |
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| Stskeeps | but anyway, yes, it seems to be a problem (vendor stuff) and i noticed it myself originally, we had %_vendor to MeeGo on ARM and meego on x86 by accident.. | 22:25 |
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| digitalsky | do you know what's the difference between %vendor and %_vendor? | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | not offhand | 22:25 |
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| digitalsky | what about the project configs? I've been trying to find documentation on what proj cfgs are for on OBS but couldn't find anyhting (yet) | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | they're basically what controls builds, what is put into chroots when building, etc | 22:26 |
| digitalsky | i'm new to all this: meego, obs, rpm. | 22:26 |
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| Stskeeps | we all were at some point :) | 22:26 |
| digitalsky | kinda having a hard time finding documentation on stuff. eg. rpm has too many undocumented behavior/macros/features | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_prjconf | 22:27 |
| * CosmoHill grumbles cos rpm5 has swapped from .tar.gz to .src.rpm | 22:27 | |
| digitalsky | thanks Sts. I'll go take a look. Will let you know if a search & replace will fix the build problems i'm having. and hopefully can send you a patch | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok, time to catch some sleep | 22:28 |
| digitalsky | last question | 22:28 |
| digitalsky | what time r u on here usually? | 22:28 |
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| Stskeeps | typically 7-13 warsaw, poland time, but usually around a lot more than that | 22:29 |
| digitalsky | ok thanks! | 22:29 |
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| * CosmoHill ponders dropping RPM5 for regular rpm | 22:51 | |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 22:56 |
| Umeaboy | Can the Meego-image overwrite the whole content of a drive? | 22:57 |
| imark | yes | 22:57 |
| Umeaboy | I was think about installing it in my phone if I only knew how to build such image. | 22:57 |
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| Umeaboy | I know that there's a wiki. | 22:58 |
| Umeaboy | Can I use any preferred SDK or do I have to use the MeeGo one? | 22:58 |
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| CosmoHill | Umeaboy: why not install it onto your SD card and dual boot the phone? | 23:00 |
| Umeaboy | CosmoHill: How big will it be? | 23:01 |
| Umeaboy | I only have a 2 GB SD-card. | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | i think it should fit onto 2GB but it will wipe the card in the process | 23:01 |
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| Umeaboy | Yes. It's empty. | 23:02 |
| Umeaboy | So how does one start to install on the SD-card then? | 23:02 |
| Umeaboy | I can boot Recovery-mode & Download-mode- | 23:03 |
| Umeaboy | I can boot Recovery-mode & Download-mode. | 23:03 |
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| Umeaboy | CosmoHill: ^^ | 23:04 |
| CosmoHill | one second | 23:04 |
| CosmoHill | someone's gone spamtastic on the forum | 23:04 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 23:04 |
| CosmoHill | there should be a guide on the wiki to installing on an sd cardf | 23:07 |
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| Umeaboy | Stupid pages. | 23:13 |
| Umeaboy | How's maemo related to Meego when it comes to dualboot install? | 23:13 |
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| Umeaboy | Hello again! | 23:42 |
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| Umeaboy | I think I need to create an image. | 23:44 |
| Umeaboy | Since there is no image that works on my device yet. | 23:44 |
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| * CosmoHill rages cos some prick hard coded something | 23:46 | |
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| CosmoHill | er I mean, Umeaboy you might want to use the mic creator then | 23:47 |
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| Umeaboy | OK. | 23:47 |
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| Umeaboy | Can that be used in Windows as well? | 23:48 |
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| CosmoHill | i think so | 23:48 |
| Umeaboy | I haven't installed Mageia yet. | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | i duno what that is | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | Umeaboy, you should examine: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG_Guide_for_beginners | 23:51 |
| lcuk | which is system custom image builder | 23:51 |
| lcuk | you upload a .ks and it will bake you an image in various format | 23:51 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 23:52 |
| Umeaboy | It looks difficult. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | try it, it is one page of info about the kind of image and the .ks to upload | 23:53 |
| * lcuk very impressed | 23:53 | |
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| Umeaboy | I got this when running python setup.py: | 23:54 |
| Umeaboy | C:\Users\Kristoffer\Image-creator>python setup.py | 23:54 |
| Umeaboy | File "setup.py", line 8 | 23:54 |
| Umeaboy | print 'No VERSION file in topdir, abort' | 23:54 |
| Umeaboy | ^ | 23:54 |
| Umeaboy | SyntaxError: invalid syntax | 23:54 |
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| Umeaboy | I did git checkout 0.17 | 23:56 |
| Umeaboy | This is the result of it: http://pastebin.mandriva.com/23971 | 23:57 |
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| Umeaboy | I see no Windows-instructions on the wiki. | 23:59 |
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