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hcl2i'm trying to install 1.2.80 netbook from USB on my lenovo g570, live distro is fine but the installer is only text.  the partition mgt on the text installer doesn't seem to want to use existing partition.  can i launch the graphical install from command line?00:37
CosmoHillhcl2: try "init 4"00:37
CosmoHillhcl2: also 1.2.80 is the development version of 1.300:38
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hcl21.2.0 has i915 bug00:38
CosmoHillhow about 1.2.1?00:38
hcl2i didn't see that as an option00:39
CosmoHillyou have to install 1.2.0 then update it00:39
hcl2can't install 1.2.000:39
CosmoHillthat might be a small problem then00:39
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hcl2is there an iso that is equivalent to 1.2.1? or is there a way to upgrade the kernel on a usb stick from command line?03:59
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ali1234hcl2: no, but you could probably make one with the right ks file04:30
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ali1234in theory you should be able to just boot the usb and then run an update like normal04:31
ali1234(which includes doing it from command line)04:31
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newbie008does anyone here know what the status of hildon-desktop is?04:49
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ajayhey folks!05:10
ajaywas wondering if anybody here was working on getting a CHROOT or dual-boot of meego on the TouchPad?05:10
ajayi can't even figure out how to download meego v1.2 for arm6/7.. gah :(05:15
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ajaydunno, guess i expected more activity in this channel.. eh!08:14
Stskeepsit's 7am in europe, late in the US08:14
Stskeeps:P08:14
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Stskeeps..08:14
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Stskeepsmeetbot down too08:19
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Stskeepsseems like machine took a reboot08:21
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htmlhfgbulisfhbisbvsibsfgi     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-Z0SSyUcw09:16
Stskeepsyes, that's meego marketing for you09:17
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htmlwell ther was more ppl  when i was here back in the day, ps you need to get you os out there, adviretise a bit on ubuntu09:20
htmlor uyoutube09:20
htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Pbd3RSbLo&feature=related09:20
htmllol09:20
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arfollmorning all!09:34
Stskeepsmorn arfoll09:35
arfolldid you manage to get your armv6 fs booting on something?09:35
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Stskeepsno, i realized i misplaced my minisd adaptor09:36
Stskeepsit's all armv6 according to the readelf -A though09:36
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arfolldamn. cool though. If you havent managed in 10 days i'll have to grab my girlfriends HTC wildfire and try on that...09:37
arfollwill it work on n800 or are there no kernels recent enough?09:37
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Stskeepsthere is modern kernels but they might not have good power management09:44
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Stskeepsbut that's beside the point, i gues09:45
Stskeepss09:45
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arfolloh dont care about that. Well when i get back to the UK i'll be sure to try on that then09:46
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htmli hate when you get something cool , and you can do a hunderd thing with it but the greatest floss is power mangerment, man i hate blackberries,,,, cool what they can do but like a max of 3:36 min battery,,,, and it olny last like 6hrs09:50
htmlwhats a device of a million things if in 2-31/2 hrs its dead and doing nothing09:52
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TSCHAKeeehttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1015026620839711510:43
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Stskeepsnice10:44
TSCHAKeeei want to drop kick X now10:44
TSCHAKeeeit is becoming a ($#@(%#@ liability10:44
TSCHAKeee;)10:44
* TSCHAKeee can't wait for qt5 fast enough10:45
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arfollthat looks really good10:46
TSCHAKeeenew orbiter codebase10:46
TSCHAKeeerefactored as a qml engine10:47
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TSCHAKeeeX is proving to be a shitty bottleneck in rendering performance10:47
Stskeepsi assume you have opengl enabled in qml?10:47
TSCHAKeeeyes, for this particular skin, it works better than raster10:47
TSCHAKeeeStskeeps: this is on GMA500 hardware10:47
Stskeepsah10:47
TSCHAKeeethe aeon skin hasn't been optimized yet, and it has paints going on all over the place10:48
TSCHAKeeeso the dirty rects get big10:48
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TSCHAKeeei estimate it will take us the rest of this year and 3 months of next year to finish this code AND get the performance up to where we want it.10:49
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htmlreally that long?11:10
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JaffaMorning, all11:29
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Venemogood morning :)11:35
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Venemoif you had €80, which one would you spend it on? 1) Kingston SSD Now V100 64GB SSD 2) Intel X25-V 40GB SSD 3) beer ?11:37
psycho_oreos€80 for beer? better hope its worth the face value ;)11:39
Venemowell, I meant that option as "don't buy either, they're both crap"11:39
Venemo:P11:39
arfollif the kingston ssd has teh intel controller go for it11:40
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x29acan you do with that little space?11:40
arfollotherwise i'd go for the intel 320 SSD11:41
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lcukmorning \o11:41
Venemowell, this is / will be intended for my netbook, so yeah, I'll do with the space11:42
x29aVenemo: yeah, intel 320, dont forget to patch11:42
Venemox29a, umm, this one is Intel X25-V, not 32011:42
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Venemogood morning lcuk :)11:42
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x29aarfoll suggested the 320, i agreed11:43
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Venemoah11:45
Venemohow much does that cost?11:45
arfoll60 pounds in uk11:45
slaineVenemo: is the netbook the Ideapad S10-3t ?11:46
x29a103 at amazon11:46
Venemoslaine, yes, it will be!11:47
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slaineOk, well, bare in mind that the IdeaPad only has a SATA-1 connection, to my knowledge11:48
Venemoslaine, I don't currently have it, but I've finally found a nice offer today morning11:48
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Venemoslaine, hmm? the datasheet of the chipset says otherwise.11:49
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slaineSo while there is a performance boost, it's not that significant11:49
slaineUnless there's a BIOS setting I've not twiddled11:49
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Venemohttp://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/internet-devices-chipsets/nm10-chipset.html -> says the SATA is 3 GB/s, which is SATA211:49
slaineI've got an OCZ Vertex 2 and was disappointed in it's performance in the IdeaPad, performed much better in other hardware11:49
Venemohmm11:50
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arfollslaine: the perf boost on ssd is mostly the access time11:50
slainenod11:50
Venemomaybe it'd be worth to ask npm about which SSD he uses11:50
Venemonpm, ping11:50
arfollx25-m in ideapad was nice11:50
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Venemo[10:42] <x29a> Venemo: yeah, intel 320, dont forget to patch ----> what patch?11:55
slaineVenemo: drive firmware ???11:56
Venemoaaah, that.11:56
x29athe 320 had some bug when taking its power, not sure if current models have that patch already11:56
x29aits a fairly easy procedure though11:56
Venemoyeah, I vaguely recall hearing about some error in it on some news site11:56
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x29ahttp://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=1836311:57
Venemomhm11:57
Venemoread those news again. and they also claim that the new firmware doesn't solve the isse, moreover some people began experiencing it after installing the new fw...11:58
Venemoheh11:58
arfolltbh you have to upgrade firmware on x25-m too11:58
Bostikyep, 320 series is still buggered11:58
arfollthere has been a few problems with the 320 series, i assumed they where all fixed by now11:58
x29aBostik: but that other bug is fairly uncommon to trigger, i thought11:58
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Venemoarfoll, I was considering the X25-V, not the X25-M... is that buggy too?11:59
arfolli have two x25-m and they are rock solid. but its recommended to upgrade the firmware first12:00
Bostikx29a: from what I've followed - the original fw caused the infernal "8MB bug" on unclean powerdown (iow. power loss); the improved firmware apparently reduced the surface but also introduced a way for the bug to manifest by running full diagnostics on the drive itself12:00
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Bostikwhich I might call a Fail with capital F12:00
x29aheh12:00
arfollVenemo: there was a performance issue, nothing as dramatic as on the 320 though12:00
Venemomhm12:01
Venemoand is it true that the s10-3t's sata controller is just sata1?12:01
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arfolli dont see how it would be since the NM10 has sataII12:03
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Venemoarfoll, yeah, but see what slaine said12:04
Venemoslaine, where did you get that info?12:04
slainewhat info12:04
Venemo[10:48] <slaine> Ok, well, bare in mind that the IdeaPad only has a SATA-1 connection, to my knowledge12:05
arfollwell try it : sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -i speed12:05
alteregoHe arfoll still sailing?12:05
arfollits my last week then back to uni :-(12:06
slaineVenemo: Was actually guessing that based on performance12:06
slainelet me double check12:06
alteregoarfoll: Have you had a good time?12:06
alteregoI just realised yesterday whilst packing myself I think we traded micro usb chargers :) I've got a non-standard Nokia one for some reason :D12:07
arfollalterego: yeah malta is nice, not so sure about marsec-xl and meego though12:07
alteregonot mNokia one.12:07
arfolloh we didn't trade, you just stole mine ;-)12:07
alteregoOh, sorry. :(12:08
alteregoI remember you asking and I'm pretty sure I checked and didn't have it :P12:08
slaineok, I take that back, says it supports 3.0Gb/s12:08
arfollno worries, i have the n900 one although it's EU12:09
arfollmaybe if I come to a cambridge meego meetup i can recover it ;-)12:09
alteregoSure :)12:10
Venemoslaine, ok, thx for checking :)12:10
slainebut say raw reading from /dev/sda at about 126MB/s12:10
* CosmoHill wonders how old arfoll is12:10
alteregoarfoll: Where will you be based for uni?12:10
arfollslaine: OCZ == fail12:10
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arfollalterego: doing my last year at canterbury, but my mum is in cambridge so i'm there sometimes12:10
slaineI wonder if it's problem with the drive itselt12:10
arfollCosmoHill: wonder no more. i'm 2112:11
slaineI'll try it in another machine and see what kind of performance it gives there12:11
CosmoHillhuh12:11
CosmoHillI always assume smarter people are older than I am12:11
slainesame drive type but different physical drive in a different laptop was giving over 260MB/s, which was why I decided to get this model12:12
arfollsmart? ahaha i wish. so smark I managed to injure myself on an SD slot ...12:12
CosmoHillslaine: it could be the SATA controller12:12
slainechanged from AHCI to Compatible mode in the bios, see if that makes a differnece12:13
alteregoarfoll: well ping me if you plan on coming up sometime and I'll arrange a meetup or a drink or something :)12:13
slaineCosmoHill: full circle, that was my original assumption12:13
slainethat the idea pad could only manage sata112:13
vgradealterego, arfoll, count me in12:13
CosmoHillslaine: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2973/6gbps-sata-performance-amd-890gx-vs-intel-x58-p55/212:14
arfollalterego: well i'll be in cambridge on the 18/19/20 th september if you want a little meet/drink12:14
arfollslaine: it could maybe do with a low level format theres quite alot of performance degradation on these chepaer controllers12:14
alteregoarfoll: sounds good, I'll put it in my diary.12:14
CosmoHillslaine: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/01/1934234/Battle-of-the-SATA-30-Controllers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 << correct link12:15
alteregoarfoll: crap, that's this month, I'm in Germany for two weeks :/12:15
alteregoWill have to be some other time12:15
* CosmoHill swears and goes looking for the proper link12:15
arfollok no worries if you organise a date around a weekend i can probably come up, it's not very far by train12:15
slaineWell, This is a SATA2 device that's operating in this laptop at SATA1 speeds12:16
slaineI figured it was the control on the IdeaPad was skimped on and is only SATA112:16
CosmoHillslaine: basically the performance of the SATA controller is affected by the PCI-E version on the motherboard and the number of lanes it has12:16
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CosmoHilllike putting GbE in a PCI port12:16
slaineInterestingly, setting it from AHCI mode to Compatible mode (in theory should be worse) is actually better marginally12:17
slaineHas anyone gotten better speeds with an SSD on the IdeaPad ?12:17
arfollCosmoHill: controller is on nm10 directly and has 3gb/s bandwidth (claimed) http://www.intel.com/Assets/image/diagram/NM10_Block-Diagram.gif12:17
alteregoarfoll: sounds good :) I'll let you know in a few weeks and I'll talk to some of the other local meego guys about a meet :)12:18
CosmoHill3Gib/s per port or between them?12:18
CosmoHillah, "each"12:18
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arfollbut even a gen1 x1 slot will have 250MB/s. it says each but it makes no difference if you only have one drive ;-)12:19
arfollalterego: awesome. look forward to it12:19
CosmoHillI should see a big performace increase on my next server since the SATA 2 drives will be connected to SATA 2 and not a PCI SATA 1 card12:19
slainearfoll: you've an sad in your ideapd now right ? What speeds you getting12:19
arfollslaine: ssd is in the samsung nc10, ideapad is in spain with the girlfriend atm (with a WD hdd)12:20
slainek12:20
arfolli can test the speed in the nc10 if you want but it has the 945 chipset not nm1012:20
slainex29a: ?12:20
arfolli can't stand the touchpad on the ideapad12:20
slaineme neither12:21
slainemy only linux dev machine though12:21
arfollwell apart from that it's not a bad box, the battery is awesome12:21
CosmoHillif I get the job I interviewed for I'd be doing Qt on Ubuntu programming12:21
CosmoHillafter they trust me enough12:21
slainekeyboards better than the one on the Dell Min912:21
arfolli've managed to rip 2 keys out...12:22
slaineCosmoHill: fingers crossed12:22
arfollthey key clasps are very weak12:22
slaineremind me not to loan you hardware ;)12:22
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arfolllol, actually it was because a little rock got stuck under the del key, so i tried to remove it, broke the clasp and thought, well i'll remove one of the f keys because they are useless, and broke that one too12:23
arfolli was smart and gave up aferwards. but i've removed every single one on my nc10 and none broke so i'm gonna go with the clasps are weak12:23
* CosmoHill wonders how arfoll got a "little rock" stuck under his keyboard12:25
x29aslaine: how may i help you?12:25
* arfoll does outdoor computing12:25
slaineWondering if you have an SSD equipped IdeaPad (S10-3T) handy12:25
slainex29a: ^12:26
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CosmoHill*suddenly comming12:28
x29aslaine: nope sorry, thinkpad x6112:28
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slainex29a: ah well12:29
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slainewondering if my 146'ish MB/s is optimal performance on the IdeaPad, expected more from the OCZ Vertex212:29
slainelooking for comparisons12:29
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CosmoHillslaine: if you meet someone with the same computer you could ask if you could pop your drive in their's12:30
slaineI've a desktop here, I'll give it a shot over lunch. I'm pretty sure that'll get much better speeds in that device12:31
slaineI'm pretty sure the idea pad is the problem, just not sure why if it seemingly has SATA212:31
CosmoHillif you do it in the same computer you can rule out the computer12:32
slaine?12:32
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CosmoHilllike if we both had the same computer but your SSD performs better than mine it means there is a fault with your computer12:32
slaineyeah12:33
slainehence asking if there's any idea pad touting ssd users inline12:33
Venemoslaine, if you have the same SSD model in your other computer. put that one into the ideapad and see if that performs as crappily or now.12:33
Venemoor not12:34
slaineI've only access to the one ssd12:34
slaineI used borrowed this model ssd from a friend previously and it worked well in another computer. so I purchased the same model and put it into the ideapad12:35
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slaineI'll check this ssd in a core2duo desktop I have, if I can get >146MB/s transfers then the drive isn't the bottle neck12:35
Venemoahm.12:35
Venemook12:35
Venemoplease keep me posted12:36
VenemoI'm not so eager to spend my money, so I may just keep the 250GB HDD the ideapad will come with.12:36
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Venemoone more question: does the s10-3t's multitouch screen work with QTouchEvents?12:39
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slaineVenemo: I was doing a lot of kernel builds and wanted more ram and a faster drive. So it's helped a lot with that for a laptop that I got for free12:43
Venemoslaine, yeah I understand :)12:44
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Venemoslaine, do you happen to know whether the ideapad's multitouch touchscreen works with QTouchEvents?12:44
slaineI don't know tbh12:46
Venemoalterego, maybe you could test?12:48
alteregoI don't have an idea pad :)12:48
BaTmAn-Don't suppose you guys know of a tablet with a HD input?12:49
BaTmAn-They don't look too common :D12:50
Stskeepshd output, you mean..12:50
* CosmoHill didn't get the job12:50
BaTmAn-no input12:50
BaTmAn-to double up as a monitor12:50
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leinirah... yes, that's a bit of a niche thing ;)12:50
Venemoalterego, didn't you say once that you have one? or maybe I just misunderstood.12:51
BaTmAn-Mainly for a situation where I don't have a lot of power12:51
alteregoI think I said I didn't have one because I didn't go to Dublin ;)12:51
Venemooh.12:51
BaTmAn-There are manufacturers like samsung that do monitors that run off USB, that's the best I can find for low(ish) power consumption so far12:53
Venemoalterego, then my memory just plays tricks with me :)12:53
Venemoso then, could anyone with an ideapad please test any basic Qt multitouch example for me?12:53
arfollBaTmAn-: you can have a look at 12V displays used in trucks12:54
arfollthere are a few, use them in small boats12:54
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CosmoHillBaTmAn-: would a usb monitor be okay?12:55
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CosmoHillactually I don't think the one I'm thinking of it HD12:55
BaTmAn-A USB monitor wouldn't be too bad, another alternative would be a tablet with a DVB-T tuner?12:56
BaTmAn-Because I'd probably have to come up with some mini-itx rig to power the usb display otherwise12:57
CosmoHillDVB-T isn't the satalite one is it?12:57
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BaTmAn-Which is why I thought a tablet would be ideal, just can't believe I'm struggling to get what I want12:57
CosmoHillUSB monitor: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_6069.html12:57
BaTmAn-Freeview or satellite would be neat12:57
CosmoHillFreeview: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4360.html & http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4357.html12:58
BaTmAn-That monitor is very nice12:59
BaTmAn-So really I just need a tablet with usb and a freeview stick12:59
BaTmAn-not sure why I didn't think that one through13:00
CosmoHillfreeview would be easier than freesat since you don't have to pick out a small dot in the sky13:00
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BaTmAn-It's for an old VW Camper van I've bought13:00
CosmoHillit looks like they're sucktion arials too so you could stick them on windows13:01
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BaTmAn-We'd be parking up and staying put for a weekend generally13:01
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CosmoHillyou could probably stick these to the roof of your camper and put the cables through a window / door13:02
BaTmAn-Yeah, that would be cool - not that I'm a TV addict or anything13:02
CosmoHillyou'd have to take them down before you move of course13:03
CosmoHill(btw if you do order from that shop say that cosmo told you about it:) )13:03
BaTmAn-lol, if I ever do I will - the monitor looks reasonably priced but not sure about the DVB tuners13:04
BaTmAn-:P13:04
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CosmoHillwe use freesat here anyway, cheaper than a new arieal13:06
BaTmAn-I was thinking of doing the same, I'd just need to line the sat up each time13:06
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CosmoHillyou can buy a dohicky for that from maplins13:07
CosmoHillyou plug it into the satalite and it gives you directions to the satalite13:07
* SpeedEvil wonders if it comes with a 40000km cable and a ladder to plug ito the satellite13:07
BaTmAn-lol13:08
CosmoHillwould be easier to just plug it into the broadcasting tower tbh13:08
CosmoHillactually that might fry the sky box13:08
Jartzaso, Intel will also abandon meego?13:08
BaTmAn-sounds like the kind of thing I need13:08
CosmoHillJartza: nope13:08
StskeepsJartza: rumours and speculation13:08
Jartzaok13:09
* BaTmAn- read that article this morning13:09
BaTmAn-or an article13:09
CosmoHillon Phornix?13:09
JartzaI only quickly read what finnish newspapers wrote today13:09
Stskeepslet me guess, they quote digitimes?13:10
BaTmAn-http://www.informationweek.com/blog/mobility/23160085513:10
leinir*facepalms* what a bunch of...13:10
Stskeepsit just proves the internet can't read :(13:10
VenemoStskeeps, good morning! :)13:10
leinirStskeeps: they can read, they just can't /continue/ reading :P They stop when they have enough to flail, which is usually the headline13:11
BaTmAn-On the other hand, you have this: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/106629.html13:11
Stskeepsmeego will first be dead when they've killed us all13:12
Stskeeps:P13:12
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BaTmAn-So, next question13:12
BaTmAn-Which tablet do I buy?13:13
htmlwhen that happens... im rambo , and whos with me?13:13
BaTmAn-So I can add to MeeGo's death13:13
VenemoBaTmAn-, WeTab?13:13
* CosmoHill goes out, cyas13:13
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: haha, same applies for maemo13:14
BaTmAn-any cheap tabs that are OK?13:14
BaTmAn-It won't be getting heavy use13:14
BaTmAn-Well, it might if I fall in love with it I suppose13:14
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: nono, maemo will resurrect once abill is gone13:15
Stskeeps:P13:15
BaTmAn-The WeTabs are pretty damn sexy13:18
BaTmAn-Just what I need, someting else to tempt me into spending money13:18
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slaineah crap, I need a molex => sata converter to plug this in13:24
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niqti have weTab13:29
niqtit's very nice13:29
niqti have installed pinereail image of 26 july13:29
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BaTmAn-http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Vye_NetbookTablet_Touch_Scree_949992.html13:33
BaTmAn-These don't look half bad for the price either13:33
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Venemo_N950npm, ping13:48
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slainesourced the cable14:03
slainenot a huge difference in speed14:03
slaine183MB/s14:03
slaineversus 146MB/s14:03
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slaineTimed cached reads was a factor of 10 faster for some reason, 7561.79MB/s versus 756MB/s14:04
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slaineVenemo_N950: possibly not the laptop at fault14:05
slaine183MB/s in a Desktop14:05
slaineversus 146MB/s in the laptop14:05
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Venemo_N950slaine, thx :)14:10
Venemo_N950slaine, then maybe the ssd needs a firmware update?14:10
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slaineYup, just checking that now14:12
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Venemo_N950slaine, what's up?14:27
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slainefirmware updated from 1.27 to 1.3314:36
slaineseeing the 1.83MB/s on the idea pad now14:36
slaineVenemo_N950: ^14:37
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Venemo_N950slaine, better?15:04
slaineyes, but not by much15:05
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berndhshmm, DNS for kernel.org is gone it seems16:54
Stskeepsnews at 11: linux dead16:55
berndhsyeah world coming to an end16:55
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SpeedEvilI would be so tempted to redirect it to microsoft.com16:56
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hcl2how do you boot the live img into text mode?17:18
ali1234edit the kernel command and change the runlevel17:19
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niqti see https://intel.wingateweb.com/us11/scheduler/catalog.do 2 talks for Meego and 4 for android... :(17:33
wmaroneno surprise17:34
wmaroneAndroid has been getting attention for much longer and has actual products17:34
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niqtok, but intel is a meego sponsor17:35
wmaronesure, thus there are talks17:35
Stskeeps2 sessions out of 6 total is still more than current marketshare17:35
Stskeeps:P17:35
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niqt[Stskeeps] goog point ov view17:38
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CosmoHillTSCHAKeee: .o/18:32
dneary_DawnFoster, Ping?18:33
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Venemo_N950good afternoon19:30
CosmoHill.o/19:30
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VenemoGeneralAntilles, GAN900, ping19:38
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GeneralAntillesVenemo, pong?19:44
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VenemoGeneralAntilles, it's a bit OT here, so I sent you a PM19:46
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npmwhere is QtMultimedia/qaudio.h in meego? I'm not seeing a package libqtmultimediakit1-devel20:39
npmhow does one compile http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/05/18/qtmultimedia-in-action-a-spectrum-analyser/ ( http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/trees/4.6/demos/spectrum ) for meego?20:41
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npmit compiles for harmattan, and compiles on my fedora desktop using Qt SDK 1.1.3 (qt 4.7.4)20:42
npmhelp?20:42
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npmturns out i have to rename #include <QtMultimedia/...> to #include <QtMultimediaKit/...>21:30
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