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| CosmoHill | crazedpsyc: I thought my IRC client had broken | 00:10 |
| crazedpsyc | apparently /meme does /me in all channels :| | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | I use /ame | 00:11 |
| crazedpsyc | meme => /allchan me | 00:12 |
| crazedpsyc | weird | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | gahhh rpm | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, what packaging system do you understand? | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | rpm | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | wait | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | Crap | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | lol | 00:18 |
| lcuk | nah i am just frustrated | 00:18 |
| * lcuk prefers installshield | 00:18 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, what night is top gear on? | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Saturday, usually | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | sunday | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | / iplayer | 00:20 |
| * SpeedEvil uses iplayer lots. | 00:20 | |
| lcuk | good point, i think i need some clarkson | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm somewhat decoupled from actual schedules. | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | As watching stuff live would require a TV licene. | 00:20 |
| lcuk | watching stuff on iplayer does too | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | SpeedEvil: catchup tv + add block = yay | 00:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Adblock on bbc? | 00:21 |
| CosmoHill | demand 5 and 40d | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Watching live streams on iplayer does. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless they've sneakily changed the law on me. | 00:22 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's just livecd | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | live tv* | 00:23 |
| lcuk | watching blue planet | 00:23 |
| lcuk | thanks for iplayer reminder \o | 00:23 |
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| madsara | HOLA! | 02:03 |
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| CosmoHill | it's midnight | 02:04 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, http://t.co/5ElXiwD , pen input | 03:13 |
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| lcukn900 | vgrade :O:O:O wowsers | 03:21 |
| lcukn900 | i shall ask does MeeGo run on that? | 03:22 |
| lcukn900 | btw were your holidays awesome? | 03:22 |
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| berndhs | yeah its about that time | 06:29 |
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| iekku | berndhs, :) | 06:44 |
| berndhs | well, i have my irc client kinda working, but the virtual keyboard hides the input line | 06:50 |
| berndhs | so i will be creating a lot of new channels | 06:50 |
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| iekku | :D | 07:01 |
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| Ronksu | darn, I completely forgot about the community office meeting yesterday | 08:05 |
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| arfoll | morning | 09:50 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 09:50 |
| arfoll | btw cheers for sorting out the https check, now we just need a little statistics and :-) | 09:50 |
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| dm8tbr | arfoll: I suspect Adam did something to RE's nagios backend | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | it might now restart API too if httpd is down | 09:56 |
| arfoll | ah that's great then, we shouldnt see big downtimes again then | 09:56 |
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| dm8tbr | I'll post him my icinga/nagios plugin for the api check just for completeness | 09:57 |
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| lei | wanna got a N9 | 10:04 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:34 |
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| elzalem | hello lcuk | 11:38 |
| slaine | good moaning | 11:39 |
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| lcuk | yesterday I was trying to get a package onto the c-obs | 11:43 |
| lcuk | i learnt much about how .spec files worked and how RPM packaging is good with solving dependencies | 11:43 |
| lcuk | but my package still did not build correctly | 11:44 |
| lcuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg10586.html | 11:44 |
| lcuk | can some rpm/obs wizard take a look at that mail and try to explain why it is not building correctly | 11:44 |
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| zoujieorg | is there anyone around can help me | 12:09 |
| zoujieorg | i want to install scim-tables (for chinese wubi inputmathod) | 12:10 |
| zoujieorg | I have type:zypper install gcc-c++ make scim-devel | 12:10 |
| zoujieorg | and download scim-tables-XXX from scim-im.org... | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | then .../configure is ok... | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | but ,when make....it come failed... | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | error message: | 12:11 |
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| zoujieorg | [root@meegoo1-desktop scim-tables-0.5.10]# make | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | make all-recursive | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10' | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | Making all in docs | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/docs' | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. | 12:11 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/docs' | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | Making all in intl | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/intl' | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/intl' | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | Making all in icons | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/icons' | 12:12 |
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| zoujieorg | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/icons' | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | Making all in m4 | 12:12 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 12:12 | |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/m4' | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. | 12:12 |
| zoujieorg | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/meegoo1/build/scim-tables-0.5.10/m4' | 12:12 |
| *** zoujieorg was kicked by Stskeeps (please use a pastebin like pastie.or) | 12:12 | |
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| zoujieorg | Stskeeps: | 12:14 |
| zoujieorg | why? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | zoujieorg: it's considered rude to paste several lines of text to a irc channel, please use a pastebin like http://pastie.org | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | and paste the resulting URL | 12:14 |
| zoujieorg | ok... | 12:15 |
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| zoujieorg | <script src='http://pastie.org/2421406.js'></script> | 12:19 |
| zoujieorg | like this? | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | sort of, pastie.org/2421406 is more like it | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm sorry, but i can't read chinese error messages :( | 12:20 |
| dm8tbr | LANG=C ? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | try export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 and try again | 12:20 |
| zoujieorg | ok... | 12:21 |
| zoujieorg | thanks | 12:21 |
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| lcuk | oh nice, Qt ambassador program allows fast track Ovi store posting | 12:24 |
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| zoujieorg | http://pastie.org/2421421 | 12:25 |
| zoujieorg | my error message :http://pastie.org/2421421 | 12:26 |
| zoujieorg | could you help me ...(ps: I'm not good at english | 12:26 |
| lcuk | zoujieorg, did you modify the package prior to this error? | 12:27 |
| lcuk | ie was it working initially? | 12:27 |
| zoujieorg | ? | 12:27 |
| zoujieorg | what's package prior ? | 12:27 |
| biedro | prior - before | 12:27 |
| zoujieorg | no | 12:27 |
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| zoujieorg | I have try for two days....google much ,but failed | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | zoujieorg: it seems like you're missing a tool that's supposed to run in rm -f zh_CN.gmo && : -c --statistics -o zh_CN.gmo zh_CN.po | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i think you might need intltool or gettext | 12:28 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: can we put a blanket ban on those gggirl things. it's yet another invasion. (seems they come back every year and from the same host mask) | 12:28 |
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| zoujieorg | stskeeps:,do you mean ,i have to install gettext and inttool first? | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | zoujieorg: yes | 12:29 |
| dm8tbr | thanks | 12:29 |
| dm8tbr | let's hope we don't have to lock out numericable :( | 12:29 |
| zoujieorg | thanks ,i will have a try ... | 12:30 |
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| zoujieorg | stskeeps,I have aready installed intltool and gettext,,but,when make ,still have that error message | 12:36 |
| zoujieorg | maybe I have to reboot,then have a try? | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | zoujieorg: ok, then you have to go look in the Makefile and see what it is trying to call for .po files | 12:36 |
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| zoujieorg | ok.... | 12:37 |
| zoujieorg | thanks | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: saw my message about $obsname ? | 12:37 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: No. | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: cobs's BSConfig.pm $obsname is set to $hostname, causing build-compare to always see packages as being different, adding to the OBS load | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: should be "build.pub.meego.com" or something :) | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ah, what to set it to? | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Ok. | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | Let me change that. | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | build-compare compares the DISTURL which includes obs://$obsname/ so | 12:39 |
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| w00t_ | X-Fade: while you're poking cobs, do you know if the clocks on workers are wrong? | 12:41 |
| w00t_ | make: Warning: File `libliqbase.pro' has modification time 1.3e+02 s in the future | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | i'm getting that, which means make things it's been changed, which causes it to endlessly reinvoke qmake | 12:42 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, I noticed that myself and thought it was datestamps inside the .tar.gz | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ok, changed now. | 12:43 |
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| w00t_ | that file definitely has the correct timestamp locally, at least... | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: cool | 12:43 |
| w00t_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 burchr burchr 3459 Aug 24 11:38 libliqbase.pro | 12:43 |
| lcuk | :) | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hopefully that'll create less worker usage :) | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | w00t_: Yeah, I saw that too. Need to fix it. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Less build storms, I guess. | 12:43 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: wouldn't it be nice if that was documented :) | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes, i was surprised too | 12:49 |
| w00t_ | I wonder if that is making boss go crazy, or if it's just liqbase :) | 12:49 |
| lbt | as it is the OBS is overly oriented towards "appliance" IMHO | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: it wasn't set correctly in my appliance for sure | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, :$ hopefully not just liqbase, the obs is designed to handle many packages | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, the obs will rebuild for every commit, it is easy to make the workers go round, I did 50 revisions of one package yesterday trying to get it workng | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | it surprised me once I got the command line working how well OBS is structured | 12:52 |
| w00t_ | yup... been here, done this :) | 12:52 |
| lcuk | heh | 12:52 |
| w00t_ | promptly forgot it all | 12:52 |
| w00t_ | now thankfully relearning | 12:52 |
| lcuk | i wrote the osc commit line on my wall | 12:52 |
| lcuk | so I do not forget | 12:52 |
| lcuk | w00t_, you do realise that qmake is another impressive step towards liqbase becoming a proper Qt project! | 12:53 |
| lcuk | if it works, I will be most appreciative :) | 12:53 |
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| zoujieorg | stskeeps:thank you very much ,,,I have reboot computer,then, try ./configure,make ,make install ,,now it's ok... | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | zoujieorg: congratulations :) | 12:58 |
| zoujieorg | ): | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i think you are right in your observation: http://pastie.org/2421999 | 15:20 |
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| Matan[M] | hi, i have Asus X101, how i can what IRC client i can install on MeeGo Netbook? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: fix precheckin.sh to include collect2 lto-wrapper lto1 | 15:26 |
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| berndhs | morning | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | Matan[M], xchat is available | 16:02 |
| lcuk | hold on, let me find you the repository | 16:02 |
| Matan[M] | lcuk: thx | 16:03 |
| Matan[M] | and i can install other appstores? (not asus or intel appup) | 16:04 |
| lcuk | http://blog.beford.org/2010/10/24/xchat-2-8-on-meego/ | 16:04 |
| lcuk | Matan[M], if you know of others you can see if they will | 16:04 |
| lcuk | Matan[M], I am sure xchat is also in c-obs | 16:04 |
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| Matan[M] | lcuk: can i add something to Pidgin based communicator to connect irc? | 16:06 |
| lcuk | Matan[M], "zypper at http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/timoph/meego_1.1_extras_Netbook/ timoph" | 16:06 |
| lcuk | Matan[M], not sure tbh | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | zypper ar * | 16:07 |
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| Matan[M] | and one more question, where i can change theme/wallpaper | 16:10 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, thanks for the packaging to qt project, there are still niggles but I think it will be workable for meego pure at least. not sure still how to handle the more general case where it still builds for maemo and harmattan too.. but this should at least be enough to let javispedro test soon | 16:31 |
| w00t_ | good | 16:31 |
| lcuk | hopefully then we can actually have a fixed sgx bug (fingers crossed) | 16:31 |
| lcuk | at least I know it is mostly buildable on the obs | 16:32 |
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| javispedro | test what? | 16:33 |
| javispedro | ah | 16:33 |
| lcuk | javispedro, w00t_ has once again shown his skills and managed to get a basic library build working on the obs where I failed | 16:35 |
| * lcuk fails at most things :( | 16:35 | |
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| javispedro | but but | 16:36 |
| javispedro | I can built stuff on my own :) | 16:36 |
| javispedro | I just wanted the setup code | 16:36 |
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| javispedro | well, either way I guess that'll help as a testcase package for the bug report | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, I needed to get the libliqbase working for it anyway | 16:38 |
| javispedro | ah, good | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | and I was having big issues with obs | 16:39 |
| lcuk | :S | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | I still do not know how to set the media files into the build and am peeking at the yaml now | 16:41 |
| lcuk | yet another learning curve | 16:41 |
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| javispedro | what is this yaml thing about? | 16:42 |
| Matan[M] | can i run MineCraft on MeeGo 1.2? [linux version] | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: easy way to make specs basically, for many cases you can use the autogenerated output directly | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | Matan[M]: uses java, so maybe | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it -really- saves a lot of time in daily work | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | i wasn't convinced at first either | 16:43 |
| Matan[M] | and how i can change theme/wallpaper? | 16:43 |
| Bostik | yeah, should learn to use it myself too | 16:43 |
| Bostik | would make interesting qt5 build chain ;) | 16:43 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: does it do debian packaging? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i think it actually does | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: never tried it | 16:44 |
| * javispedro makes note to try some day | 16:44 | |
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| lcuk | w00t_, I am testing whether i added the extra files into yaml correctly | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | and will retain the makefile in root folder | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | for maemo builds until I get a harmattan build working | 16:48 |
| * lcuk crosses fingers and hopes this works :) | 16:48 | |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: just adding them to the yaml probably won't work, but let me know what happens | 16:52 |
| lcuk | w00t_, I added to the .pro first | 16:54 |
| lcuk | then into the .yaml | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | I also modified the includedir to be include/liqbase/*.h | 16:54 |
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| w00t_ | ah ok | 16:54 |
| lcuk | that was after liqbookfailed to find them | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | can anyone give me a sane reason why meego x86 is i586 instead of i686? | 17:01 |
| w00t_ | battery powered cigarette? does it run meego? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | no, but his lighter runs Mer | 17:01 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: what's the fundamental difference? haven't we been in i686 for quite some years? | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t_: really a good question what it means in practice.. | 17:02 |
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| javispedro | didn't it use sse3? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | w00t_, e-cig, vapour instead of smoke. another step in stopping smoking | 17:06 |
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| qgil | hi, any chess aficionado and / or Harmattan user willing to try installing http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature/0.3_Berlin_Defence ? | 17:10 |
| qgil | we are looking for a MeeGo netbook/tablet/CE/upstream maintainer... | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | qgil, :D I saw the postings, it must be great to get started with qml build | 17:11 |
| lcuk | qgil, we are just getting the qt components into the CE builds now so it is surely feasible to have it working there too | 17:12 |
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| qgil | well, I'm really impressed of how relatively easy was to get from or (or -1 in my case) to the level of having actually nice and relatively complex UIs working on top of pure C/C++ code written by someone else, just in few weeks | 17:13 |
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| jprvita | hello all | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: it really gets amazing when you couple it with photoshop/gimp QML export | 17:14 |
| jprvita | is there a way to install meego sdk on fedora 15? I only see repos for f12, 13 and 14 | 17:14 |
| lcuk | yes qgil, seeing a lot of exciting new developments around harmattan qml stuff | 17:14 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: yep... although I quickly jumped to QML editing directly | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i decided to skip the UI designer of qt creator totally when introducing my wife to qt with components | 17:15 |
| qgil | but I can see how this is enough for amny dumb mobile apps | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | er, qml with components | 17:15 |
| qgil | many | 17:15 |
| lcuk | qgil, fart-apps | 17:15 |
| jprvita | or more, do I really need the sdk to develop apps to run on a x86 tablet running meego? (exopc) | 17:16 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:16 |
| qgil | not even that, the tyipcal web-ish apps will do too | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | jprvita: there's an email thread about fedora 15 i think | 17:16 |
| qgil | but making a chess board behave somehow like a chess board is a different story - and still a rookie like me could do it (with some help of some savvy people in forums & IRC) | 17:16 |
| lcuk | where is the forum thread for your app qgil? | 17:17 |
| lcuk | ahh http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=29911 | 17:17 |
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| jprvita | Stskeeps, which ml? I'm just starting with meego | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | jprvita: meego-dev@meego.com or meego-sdk@meego.com , check archives on lists.meego.com | 17:20 |
| jprvita | Stskeeps, nice, tks | 17:21 |
| qgil | lcuk: you found it :) | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | yes qgil as I said it the search came back with a result :) | 17:25 |
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| jedix | should there be a check in fennec for any valid font? if none are installed, it seems to seg fault | 17:38 |
| lcuk | jedix, extremely rare ? | 17:38 |
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| thiago | jedix: what would it do if it can't find any fonts? Show you an error message? | 17:39 |
| jedix | lcuk: for sure | 17:39 |
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| jedix | thiago: yeah, that's what I'd do | 17:39 |
| thiago | a graphical one? :-) | 17:39 |
| jedix | clearly not.. | 17:39 |
| lcuk | i had to make handwritten font last time I was in that situation ;) | 17:39 |
| lcuk | tis lovely as well | 17:39 |
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| jedix | haha | 17:41 |
| jedix | I'd say an error on the commandline would be okay | 17:41 |
| jedix | easier to trace at least | 17:41 |
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| jedix | jsut include a png saying "no fonts found" | 17:42 |
| lcuk | if there are no fonts installed | 17:43 |
| lcuk | wouldn't you notice it beforehand | 17:43 |
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| thiago | jedix: that's probably a case of "no one has ever tested the problem before" | 17:44 |
| thiago | usually, you'd notice the lack of fonts before you opened the browser | 17:44 |
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| jedix | unless you're x forwarding | 17:48 |
| jedix | which I am | 17:48 |
| jedix | certainly a corner case again though | 17:49 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: sorry, was OOO some hrs | 18:05 |
| ScriptRipper | now back | 18:05 |
| ScriptRipper | read what you said | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | testing fix atm | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, with OBS, I have source files at revision 65 but the builder has built and published 62 | 18:17 |
| lcuk | is that just lag and it will catchup | 18:17 |
| lcuk | (I did send a few requests in sequence) | 18:17 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: watch for a "gears" symbol in the OBS status icon | 18:21 |
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| javispedro | if it's there, it'll eventually change the status to something else | 18:22 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, you might find it curious why I find all these bugs and know where they are but dont fix them | 18:43 |
| ScriptRipper | its just that I try to find OBS bugs and not MeeGo cross toolchain bugs | 18:44 |
| ScriptRipper | so these corner cases we have are fine for OBS debugging | 18:44 |
| ScriptRipper | like the perl rebuild loop | 18:44 |
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| ScriptRipper | also, the gcc ARM executables bug seems to just have fallen down | 18:46 |
| ScriptRipper | your accelerator fixes animated me to remember what I had on my list :) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:47 |
| ScriptRipper | also sorry beeing busy with OBS 2.3 | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i got glibc to rebuild as similar too | 18:47 |
| ScriptRipper | oh | 18:47 |
| ScriptRipper | why in that case ? | 18:47 |
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| zoujieorg | stskeeps:how could I set SCIM as default input method? | 18:49 |
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| zoujieorg | every time when I want to input chinese,I have to right click,then choose SCIM bridge... | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | why? because it rebuilds a lot :) | 18:50 |
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| zoujieorg | stskeeps,how could I set scim bridge as default ? | 18:51 |
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| ScriptRipper | did I get you right: glibc has also some unneded rebuild trigger like perl ? | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, two-three timestamps | 18:52 |
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| ScriptRipper | oh, seems you opened up something | 18:52 |
| ScriptRipper | we could also peek for example how the SUSE guys reduce their rebuild loops :) | 18:54 |
| ScriptRipper | if you are finished ... | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i pulled some fixes from there | 18:55 |
| ScriptRipper | anyway, if you compare package build times with Debian or Ubuntu, openSUSE or MeeGo is already now ways better | 18:56 |
| ScriptRipper | not to speak of ARM | 18:56 |
| ScriptRipper | just normal x86 | 18:56 |
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| ScriptRipper | btw, your 350 pkg reduced MeeGo but with all the API still on top | 18:58 |
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| ScriptRipper | is that something that will go into the MeeGo distro or not | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | lets see, its an implementation of davids ideas | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | i submit all sources and code is better than talk | 18:59 |
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| ScriptRipper | sure | 19:04 |
| ScriptRipper | Davids Ideas ? | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | mer-l-in.blogspot.com | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll submit the changes i have in queue and just tested for build optimizations tomorrow i think, we just did a big rebuild today so | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | ScriptRipper, Stskeeps lbt - the obs log in #meego-boss, is it possible to add the revision number to it? | 20:01 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: you can have services restart on fail with service files, yes | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | auke: ok | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | auke: also, i'm seeing complaints about missing hwclock service (sysinit.wants or something) | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | and can't find that one anywhere | 20:07 |
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| auke | nod | 20:10 |
| auke | not sure why, udev runs it properly on start | 20:10 |
| auke | can probably ignore that | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i'll probably file some bugs when i see other oddities :) | 20:11 |
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| auke | there's a few more cosmetic issues, but it shouldn't break anything | 20:12 |
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| timoph | huh. what happened to c.obs | 20:28 |
| lcuk | just wondering the same timoph | 20:28 |
| berndhs | oh so it was you | 20:28 |
| timoph | :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | timoph, what were you building? | 20:28 |
| timoph | miniature | 20:28 |
| berndhs | i was just building a little thing | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | awesome timoph :D | 20:30 |
| timoph | lbt: X-Fade: ping | 20:30 |
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| lbt | lcuk: possible | 20:30 |
| lbt | timoph: wassup ? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | lbt should I file a bug/fea for it? | 20:30 |
| lcuk | it would help to see changes you see :) | 20:31 |
| timoph | lbt: can you check what up with c.obs | 20:31 |
| timoph | www interface gives me a blank page | 20:31 |
| berndhs | ping build.pub.meeo.com doesn't respond | 20:31 |
| timoph | and osc doesn't work | 20:31 |
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| X-Fade | working on it. | 20:32 |
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| timoph | X-Fade: cool. thanks | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | lbt filed as trivial fea | 20:36 |
| * lcuk knows you have more important things to deal with | 20:36 | |
| lbt | lcuk: ta | 20:36 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 20:52 |
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| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 20:52 |
| CosmoHill | good day bad day? | 20:56 |
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| vgrade | DawnFoster, :) | 21:43 |
| vgrade | MeeGo Device Adaptation - Lessons Learned and Available Resources | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: I assume you got an email from the LF? :) | 21:47 |
| vgrade | no email yet, but website has updated tonight | 21:48 |
| vgrade | how do I go about securing travel sponsorship? | 21:48 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: not sure about the process for travel sponsorship - we don't do it out of the meego team, but the LF has a process. | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | Can you talk to Brian Warner? | 21:49 |
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| DawnFoster | (and make sure he knows you have a session accepted in the meego mini-summit | 21:50 |
| vgrade | ok thanks, I bookmarked the page on the LF site just in case | 21:51 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: my tip to you is to talk to Brian before you submit in the LF website to make sure that's the right process. | 21:54 |
| DawnFoster | historically, meego requests sometimes get lost there in favor of kernel dev requests | 21:54 |
| DawnFoster | and if you don't get a timely response, ping me ... I can poke people :) | 21:55 |
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| vgrade | DawnFoster, thanks | 21:57 |
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| crazedpsyc | does the netbook version have an onscreen keyboard? | 21:59 |
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| arfoll | crazedpsyc, no it's for netbooks. | 22:08 |
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| crazedpsyc | ah | 22:08 |
| crazedpsyc | I see there's a tablet version coming, but it thought the netbook version would work until its stable... :( | 22:09 |
| arfoll | you can use the tablet version allready there are builds | 22:09 |
| crazedpsyc | But it says it only works on one device, and there's a big list of everything that doesn't work... | 22:09 |
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| arfoll | crazedpsyc, come help ;-) Where is this big list? | 22:10 |
| crazedpsyc | https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview | 22:11 |
| crazedpsyc | help? well, if its in python. :P | 22:11 |
| arfoll | those are issues from may 2011 ;-) | 22:13 |
| crazedpsyc | :O | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: hang on a bit with the collect2 fix, seems like something broke for me :) | 22:14 |
| crazedpsyc | arfoll: ok, then where can I find the tablet version fur reelz? | 22:15 |
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| arfoll | crazedpsy, here : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/latest/images/ | 22:16 |
| arfoll | if you have an exopc you want the pinetrail image | 22:16 |
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| gabrbedd | crazedpsyc: caveat emptor: the version arfoll just pointed to you is still a development snapshot. But it's probably skads better than the version from May. | 22:22 |
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| ali1234 | does the tablet version work with a mouse? | 22:23 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: yes and no. Yes, it works. No, you can't see the cursor. :-p | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | so no | 22:23 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: there's a gconf setting to turn the cursor on. | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | so yes? | 22:24 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: yes and no. :-p | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | is multitouch working in a sensible way yet? | 22:24 |
| crazedpsyc | arfoll, gabrbedd: thanks. I don't actually have a tablet yet, still figuring out what will work :P | 22:25 |
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| ali1234 | eg is it implemented in such a way that if i plug in three mouse i could have three pointers? | 22:25 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: btw, the gconf setting is listed somewhere in the .ks file (last I checked) | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | because that also solves the cursor visibility problem, you just make only the cursors of real mice visible | 22:25 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: MT has always worked as long as you have a "supported" MT device. | 22:26 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: as for having 3 mice works as a MT device... no. | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | well then it's not sensible yet | 22:26 |
| ali1234 | it's not about having 3 mice as a single multitouch device | 22:26 |
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| ali1234 | it would be three mice as individual MT devices that only have 1 touch point | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | each | 22:27 |
| gabrbedd | There's a different between multitouch and multiple pointers (as you just said). | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | which is the only sensible way to do it... doing MT as an extension to existing subsystems is horrible and causes problems like this | 22:27 |
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| gabrbedd | I don't know about the multiple pointers (with multiple cursors) thing. | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | what i mean is that to the UX layer there should be no difference between 3 mice and a touchscreen that supports 3 fingers | 22:28 |
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| gabrbedd | ali1234: Except that, it's tons easier to program if touch events are atomic and synchronized. | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | doesnt matter, that still has to be done by some piece of software | 22:29 |
| gabrbedd | Synchronizing 3 individual, unrelated pointing devices doesn't sound like much fun. | 22:30 |
| gabrbedd | A MT device sends events that contain all current touch-points. | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | well if it is no fun then clearly we should not do it :) | 22:30 |
| gabrbedd | With individual pointing devices, you have to create a front-end to abstract it and make it appear as though they were part of a single, synchronized device. | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | and if you have a netbook with a touchscreen and a mouse, then tough, you just have to keep changing some hidden setting | 22:31 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: It /is/ possible to detect if the attached pointing devices are mice or MT devices. | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | and if the are both? | 22:32 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: I'm sure that if you wrote an extension to meego-ux-daemon to detect that a normal, non-MT device is attached... | 22:32 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: and show the cursor *then* -- I'll bet they'd accept it. | 22:32 |
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| ali1234 | you can't make the one-and-only root cursor visible and invisible at the same time... | 22:33 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: but you can say, "Hmmm... there is ONE non-MT device attached. I'll show the primary cursor now." | 22:33 |
| gabrbedd | ali1234: and when they're all gone (only MT's here)... make it disappear again. | 22:34 |
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| ali1234 | you could do that but it is just a workaround | 22:34 |
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| ali1234 | not a good solution to the problem | 22:34 |
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| * gabrbedd fails to see the "problem" :-p | 22:35 | |
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| ali1234 | the problem is that it introduces complexity all over the place | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | complexity that should all be handled in one place and the result exposed through a common interface | 22:37 |
| gabrbedd | what does? not having a cursor? Then use the netbook version. | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | no, adding workarounds does | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | is it standard to have touchscreen on netbooks nowadays anyway? | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | no | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'm wondering what those samsung/acer comes with | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | only convertibles | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | and the arm things with android | 22:40 |
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| njozwiak | I am trying to install IVI on ExoPC Slate and have the "x respawning too fast" error. nasa recommends uninstalling emgd driver and installing the mesa. But I am unable to bring-up wireless on the tablet. The filesystem does not contain the necessary scripts for retrieving an IP via DHCP and my static IP assignments are not working. Any suggestions for bringing up the wireless? | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there a guide made for ivi on exopc? | 22:44 |
| Bostik | does it have connman? | 22:44 |
| njozwiak | Bostik: no | 22:45 |
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| Bostik | bugger | 22:45 |
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| CosmoHill | aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh | 22:46 |
| * CosmoHill just smacked the corner of his laptop into his knee | 22:46 | |
| Bostik | all new neural interface? :) | 22:46 |
| njozwiak | Stskeeps: there is a wiki on it, but I was not able to get mine going with the recommended Tablet install and IVI chroot setup | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | java.io.gui.pain | 22:47 |
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| Stskeeps | oi, this is #meego, we don't have java | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | good good | 22:47 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: i don't like connman much either, but hurting yourself is no solution | 22:47 |
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| CosmoHill | Astra`: you have a thunderbug in your name | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | whilst we're at it my left eye socket hurts too | 22:49 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders how many % of meego packages he has a changelog entry in | 22:50 | |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: there should be a script for that | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | statistics for a rainy day i guess | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | it's always raining somewhere | 22:50 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: isnt the preferred way to provide a separate thepackage.changes file now ? | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: yes, but i meant a changes log entry | 22:51 |
| arfoll | packages should be getting refused if they don't have one | 22:52 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: can't you run a grep on all the spec files with a counter? | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok, 73 out of 1408 :P, so 5.18% | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | what did you run to find that out? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: i cached entire meego trunk some weeks back and checked all .changes file | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | and grep | 22:55 |
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| arfoll | thats not too bad | 22:57 |
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| CosmoHill | what was the command you ran? | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | in comparison, arjan has been in 272 changelogs, so 19.31% | 23:00 |
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| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: grep -m 1 mail */*.changes | wc -l | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | and anas.nashif at 54.97%, which is pretty impressive | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | (774 packages) | 23:02 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?x | 23:02 |
| vgrade | njozwiak, two methods for ivi n Exo, chroot from Alison and kickstart version from me , http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_IVI_on_ExoPC | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, sleep time | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | night Stskeeps | 23:03 |
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| vgrade | njozwiak, can't comment on the chroot version | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, nice looking device from last night | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | but it uses android | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | so unless we can simplify meego operations on it | 23:07 |
| lcuk | and others like it | 23:07 |
| lcuk | not practical | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | dear lord, sky movies is FULL of great films tonight | 23:09 |
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| CosmoHill | Tron, Tron Legancy, Avatar, The Naked Gun 2.5, Shrek forever after | 23:10 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, cool | 23:11 |
| vgrade | lcuk, its a good meego target machine. Tegra 2 processor. With the support we now get from nvidia this will be achievable. If we can get hands on one | 23:14 |
| * CosmoHill is watchinb Avatar and is very confused | 23:14 | |
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| vgrade | http://t.co/5ElXiwD , if anyone missed it | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, that is the first lenovo thinkpadish I have seen that is non-intel | 23:17 |
| lcuk | i have thinkpad and ideapad here | 23:17 |
| lcuk | and more than happy with battery etc | 23:17 |
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| vgrade | run to MeeGo ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/24/korea_minister_how_about_your_own_mobile_platform/ | 23:18 |
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| ZrZ | or limo ? | 23:21 |
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| vgrade | or SLP | 23:39 |
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