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| max_posedon | hi! Where I can get some recent "upstream" version of meego, for n900? Smth, with which I can create useful bug reports. | 00:04 |
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| ali1234 | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/ | 00:07 |
| max_posedon | thanks (I was looking at repo.meego.org, and couldn't found anything recent) | 00:08 |
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| ali1234 | i have no idea if those images even work btw | 00:12 |
| max_posedon | its ok, I understand what I'm doing | 00:13 |
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| madsara | Does anyone know how accurate the information on here: https://meego.com/devices/in-vehicle/in-vehicle-faq is ? I have absolutely no qml files in my install. | 00:17 |
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| crazedpsyc | are there any reccomended tablets for meego? | 00:38 |
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| chouchoune | crazedpsyc: I would say ExoPC | 00:42 |
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| chouchoune | WeTab (comes with Meego, but I don't know if it's available outside Germany) | 00:42 |
| crazedpsyc | Cool, I'll take a look :) | 00:45 |
| crazedpsyc | win7 home premium. lovely. ;) | 00:45 |
| crazedpsyc | Hmm, the ExoPC has pretty low specs.. the Motorola Xoom looks better | 00:47 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:01 |
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| iluminator101 | can you install meego on a touchpad | 07:22 |
| wmarone__ | sure, but it won't necessarily be easy | 07:22 |
| iluminator101 | has anyone here done it. | 07:23 |
| javispedro | I don't think anyone has a touchpad yet. | 07:23 |
| javispedro | the good news is that the touchpad is a http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD platform, | 07:24 |
| javispedro | and that they use glibc. | 07:24 |
| javispedro | so probably it could be a source of kgsl glibc builds. | 07:25 |
| wmarone__ | yeah, qole mentioned getting an x server running on it | 07:25 |
| javispedro | ah, qole, true. | 07:25 |
| * javispedro nearly forgots | 07:25 | |
| wmarone__ | could be, but you'd probably have to do a softfp build (unless by chance HP did a hardfp build) | 07:25 |
| javispedro | nah, webos is softfp. | 07:25 |
| javispedro | also, it's quite probably I could extend the X server they use with direct rendering support | 07:26 |
| javispedro | that could be quite usable | 07:26 |
| javispedro | ohgodno, I'm getting interested. | 07:26 |
| wmarone__ | haha | 07:26 |
| raster | mrlmrl | 07:27 |
| wmarone__ | hi raster | 07:27 |
| javispedro | hey raster | 07:27 |
| wmarone__ | wtb SLP device raster ;p | 07:28 |
| raster | howdy! | 07:28 |
| raster | LA LA LA | 07:28 |
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| raster | :) | 07:30 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: i wonder what graphics drivers they use, no xorg there | 07:42 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: officially it bangs fb0 directly | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: interesting, but how about apps' rendering? | 07:42 |
| javispedro | they have made something they call Xsdl that runs on top of their SDL implementation | 07:42 |
| javispedro | so it looks as native app | 07:43 |
| javispedro | it gets raw access to fb0 too when fullscreen | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, so gles is only available as fullscreen? | 07:43 |
| javispedro | (albeit their SDL implementation abstracts it) | 07:43 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: nah, it can render to a pbuffer/shmem too | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:43 |
| javispedro | it quite resembles ours in a sense. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:43 |
| javispedro | only that instead of DRI2 being the abstraction layer, it's on SDL. | 07:44 |
| * javispedro has changed their SDL so that it instead points to our abstraction layer, DRI2 ;) | 07:44 | |
| javispedro | (sorry, our=harmattan's) | 07:44 |
| javispedro | depending on how easy is to do an wsegl-equivalent on MSM implementing direct rendering on Xsdl might be "doable". | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you recall there was actually DRI for MSM xorg driver | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | if there's dri we probably can do something.. | 07:47 |
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| javispedro | yeah :) | 07:51 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:00 |
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| Guest34914 | i want to build rpm packages for arm platform, and I've read the wiki.meego.com/ARM/chroot,; however , I don't have a obs account, can I just using build in suse 11.3 to create a chroot env to build arm packages? | 08:45 |
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| timoph | jacobi: easier if you for a community obs account from lbt or x-fade. helps if you're building the packages against the correct targets | 08:52 |
| timoph | *ask for* | 08:53 |
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| timoph | read the community builder wiki article | 08:53 |
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| gabriel9 | when is the plan for releasing n9? I found some info that it is deleyed. :/ | 10:15 |
| gabriel9 | i was thinking that it comes out in September 15 | 10:15 |
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| Cy8aer | Just a question: I wonder if there is some meego-compositor plugin/extension example code somewhere? The compositor has this compositor-extension interface but I cannot find any documentation about it (nice, like mutter's interface?) | 10:21 |
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| kuzak | Cy8aer, no examples, sorry.. but the idea is that you implement MCompositeManagerExtension class and set up X event handling using listenXEventType() | 10:56 |
| kuzak | compile it as library and install in /usr/lib/mcompositor directory | 10:57 |
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| Cy8aer | kuzak, :-( but thanks. I'll try it the hard way ;-) | 11:03 |
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| kuzak | Cy8aer, the interface has been growing in newer mcompositor versions, so if you test it in latest version, it may not be compatible with older mcompositors.. | 11:12 |
| kuzak | well, actually the public MCompositeManager API has grown, not the plugin interface.. | 11:13 |
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| Cy8aer | kuzak, thanks. it will do... | 11:17 |
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| slaine | Will the Intel Cedar Trail Atom that's due out later this year have supported intel graphics or is it another GMA500 derivative ? | 11:25 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/22/cedar-trail-may-be-delayed-new-atoms-gone-til-november/ | 11:33 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: dear oh dear | 11:38 |
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| thiago | November is still later this year | 11:39 |
| slaine | Yeah, but that would indicate PowerVR type GPU (Dx10.1 etc.) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | also, there's a big difference between pvr-bin and emgd-bin :P | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | (modern atom/medfield vs gma500) | 11:40 |
| slaine | " The Cedar Trail GPU, which supports DirectX 10.1 and a multitude of video decoding abilities" | 11:40 |
| slaine | wonder what this means for me with our hardware being targeted at Atom | 11:40 |
| slaine | and our os being based on Fedora | 11:40 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: Is the Medfield processor the Atom Z600 ? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | don't know, honestly | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | i just know the codenames from what i pick up on bugzilla :) | 11:44 |
| slaine | :) | 11:44 |
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| slaine | What was the code name for the older Atom N270+945GME graphics ? | 11:50 |
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| rgs_ | any one familiar with this error http://fpaste.org/8ikW/ when trying to commit to obs? | 12:05 |
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| lcuk | veskuh, I have sent a mail to rusty and dawn | 12:14 |
| lcuk | cced you into it | 12:14 |
| lcuk | hopefully we can cure bug 20099 soon | 12:14 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, geoff, ASSI, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . | 12:14 |
| lcuk | and another daily use case will be available properly | 12:14 |
| lcuk | w00t_, thanks for the reminder about ccing dawn | 12:16 |
| lcuk | and thanks Stskeeps for your reminder about contribution guidelines | 12:16 |
| lcuk | which say that if a patch has been idle for over 5 days | 12:16 |
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| CosmoHill | "*wildcard* creates global warming" | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N950, how is your irc client coming along? | 16:05 |
| berndhs | morning | 16:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, hi, it's coming along well, although I haven't worked on it in the past few days | 16:06 |
| pebcak | mmmh | 16:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | even I need a vacation and I'm going on a vacation now with my girlfriend :) | 16:06 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, have fun | 16:07 |
| lcuk | but register on this before you do: http://liqbase.net/wallcalendar_interest.php | 16:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | thanks lcuk :) | 16:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, and how are you? | 16:07 |
| lcuk | i am good, n900-ce stuff is making motions into 1.3 which is positive | 16:08 |
| lcuk | and i had a good weekend at blackpool with family | 16:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | that is so nice :) | 16:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | I registered, but want you to know that my Nokia phone is not ANY Nokia phone, it's an N9x0 :P | 16:10 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N950, for sure, I understand | 16:11 |
| lcuk | the server was going slow earlier when a bulk of folks were filling it in | 16:12 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: wow, that looks nice! do you have a harmattan-version in the making? | 16:12 |
| lcuk | yes sandst1 | 16:12 |
| lcuk | the currently open source liqcalendar will arrive somehow on harmattan | 16:12 |
| lcuk | i plan to have it on ovi and appup asap too | 16:12 |
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| sandst1 | ok, that's great :) | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | sandst1, but 13084 is currently blocking meego and harmattan handsets | 16:13 |
| lcuk | bug 13084 | 16:13 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 16:13 |
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| Venemo_N950 | lcuk, what are the advantages of liqcalendar vs. the built-in Harmattan calendar? | 16:15 |
| sandst1 | lcuk: damn.. that's a sticky one.. | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N950, human readable | 16:17 |
| lcuk | it sits in the kitchen and whole family knows what is happening at a glance | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | gotta go now, bye! | 16:19 |
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| berndhs | ah the future of user interfaces today http://xkcd.com/941/ : strong reading glasses and a big phone :) | 16:48 |
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| gabrbedd | off-topic: Where would you go to ask a question to a TCP/IP expert (or curmudgeon)? Specifically, I have a packet stream where it looks like my linux boxes are sending an incorrect ACK. | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | normally i would look up in tcp/ip illustrated or something :P | 17:14 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: I quit reading it when they started doing swimsuit issues. | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:15 |
| gabrbedd | Some of the "lost packets" were interesting, though... | 17:16 |
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| thiago | gabrbedd: why do you think the ACK is incorrect? | 17:17 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago: The remote sends a packet where Seq: 28450, Ack: 879, Len:18 | 17:18 |
| gabrbedd | In response, my host sends an ACK Seq: 879, Ack: 28469, Len: 0 | 17:18 |
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| gabrbedd | If I understand correctly, I should have sent 28468. | 17:18 |
| thiago | hmm | 17:20 |
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| thiago | 16:20:48.904912 IP 10.0.0.4.52492 > 130.239.18.172.7000: Flags [P.], seq 1:107, ack 138, win 1002, options [nop,nop,TS val 878041823 ecr 2530667037], length 106 | 17:21 |
| thiago | 16:20:48.923753 IP 130.239.18.172.7000 > 10.0.0.4.52492: Flags [P.], seq 138:276, ack 107, win 501, options [nop,nop,TS val 2530667627 ecr 878041823], length 138 | 17:21 |
| chouchoune | The length of the TCP header is always a multiple of 32 bits | 17:22 |
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| thiago | the length there is the payload | 17:22 |
| thiago | my host ack'ed the initial sequence + the length | 17:22 |
| thiago | gabrbedd: can you try tcpdump, just to see what it says? | 17:23 |
| thiago | wireshark might give you diagnostics | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, your host replied with the ack id | 17:37 |
| lcuk | i think | 17:37 |
| lcuk | :$ | 17:37 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago: sorry... got called away. | 17:57 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago: yes, it's my understanding that it should be seq + length of TCP payload. | 18:00 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: I captured it with wireshark... and I think the measurement is correct, because the server starts resending packets and then sending RST's. | 18:00 |
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| gabrbedd | (Which, I believe is the behavior when you get back an unexpected ACK) | 18:01 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: there should be a package kitchensink, and every package, including itself should depend on it! | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: what, gtk? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:36 |
| * lcuk giggles | 18:36 | |
| dm8tbr | hrhr | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | core meego n900 images today were interesting | 19:13 |
| lcuk | nice and clean images that would not boot to a ux | 19:13 |
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| lcuk | thanks to sage's awesome diagnostic skills though a merge request is pending | 19:13 |
| lcuk | and next image will include it | 19:13 |
| lcuk | /news | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | core images are quite spare usually, good ofr porting | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, meego experiment - 109 packages for self-compilation, + 123 packages to build qt | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | 233 packages incl qt | 19:18 |
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| * Stskeeps had thought it would be like 400 to get to qt | 19:20 | |
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| Stskeeps | packages = source packages | 19:21 |
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| araujo | lcuk, which merge request and where? | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | araujo, i had to reboot and my scrollback is not there, lemme see if I can find it | 19:26 |
| araujo | lcuk, ok :P | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | Aug 22 15:27:44 <Sage>Xterm fix for core: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-August/033664.html | 19:28 |
| lcuk | Aug 22 15:27:53 <Sage>next image should boot to xterm | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | out of those 233 packages, 95 of them is yaml-ified, meaning anyone with half a brain can maintain them | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, are those packages arm specific | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, this is like portable packages | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | did the cuts first in x86, easier and faster to see results | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | so who is the audience for this | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | mostly just a curiousity atm but it's my own exploration into how meego could look like | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | already yielded results in speeding up ARM builds/builds in general | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | (big fan of research) | 19:40 |
| lcuk | that is important | 19:40 |
| RhymeswA | Stskeeps, just half a brain eh, might be giving away something here, but where are they ? | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | RhymeswA: the packages? right now on my personal OBS | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | RhymeswA: can give you the list if you want and patches ;) | 19:41 |
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| RhymeswA | Ahh, ok | 19:41 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, so using that package set instead of the full build, does it yeald a compliant meego instance | 19:41 |
| lcuk | or is that still to be determined | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not at meego api just yet | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | but qt is a big step in that direction | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2412218 - base set of packages yielding a self-buildable set, http://pastie.org/2412220 - to get to qt | 19:43 |
| lcuk | so you are at phase of meego reconstructed | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | more like some architecture investigations i've been meaning to do for a while :) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | but didn't have machine power for | 19:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I hope you have each step a separate project :) | 19:44 |
| lcuk | the images this morning were a good step back towards unifying meego | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: yeah, two different ones atm | 19:44 |
| lcuk | just mere presence of them back on meego servers was great start | 19:45 |
| lcuk | hopefully we can build the -ce into a proper meego-ce ux | 19:45 |
| npm | lcuk: "23.4.1. Visual Spreadsheet" http://www.aosabook.org/en/vistrails.html | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | next step is to take those base packages and see how easily i can set up ports that can be put on independent OBS'es for non-ssse3, armv6+vfp, softfp, etc | 19:46 |
| lcuk | npm, nice | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | so instead of a huge meego.com obs it can be spread out better | 19:46 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, in doing this we should not lose sight of a strong pure vanilla build | 19:46 |
| npm | also the book has an interesting chapter on telephathy http://www.aosabook.org/en/telepathy.html | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: of course not | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | anyhow | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | hairdresser time | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 19:47 |
| iluminator101 | have anyone been able to run meego on hp touchpad | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | npm :D | 19:48 |
| lcuk | what is the first link wrt to? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | I understand the telepathy side of things to a degree | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | iluminator101, with Stskeeps' package list it just got a little easier to begin porting | 19:49 |
| npm | an application that you might be interested in | 19:49 |
| npm | So has anybody gotten com.intel.appup-tablet-2.5.22438.27-1.1.i586.rpm working on their ExoPC tablet? | 19:51 |
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| npm | com.intel.appup-netbook-2.5.22247.5-1.1.i586.rpm works on the netbook, but the tablet version always gets "error 13" after installing apps from appup. | 19:52 |
| npm | the netbook version does successfully install apps from app-up | 19:52 |
| lcuk | npm are the apps installed? | 19:53 |
| lcuk | even with the error | 19:53 |
| lcuk | since you said after installing | 19:53 |
| lcuk | npm, bergie is doing flow based programming stuff too | 19:54 |
| lcuk | I haven't seen any working apps to build such flows directly on meego though | 19:54 |
| lcuk | perhaps vistrails might install :) | 19:55 |
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| lcuk | npm, I have a number of things which vistrails would be useful for :) thanks for the link | 19:59 |
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| * lcuk has man sketches that connect together in flows | 20:01 | |
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| lcuk | \o bb tomorrow | 20:05 |
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| iluminator101 | lcuk link me to Stskeeps' package list | 20:08 |
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| npm | lcuk -- no the apps are not installed | 20:14 |
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| npm | the only thing installed is com.intel.appup-tablet-2.5.22438.27-1.1.i586.rpm ... and it appears to work... right up to the point where it finishes installing the app | 20:17 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | Anybody know if 1.3 is on schedule? I can't find anything on it on Google. except the original announcement | 20:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone seen slides from last week's MeeGo Mini Summit? Kudos to DawnFoster for organizing what looks to have been an excellent program. I am particularly eager to find out what Ware and Tsukamoto said. | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: I'm collecting them now - should be able to post soon | 20:29 |
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| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: OK, the ones you wanted are up :) https://meego.com/community/events/2011/linuxcon-north-america-2011 | 20:47 |
| DawnFoster | uploading others as I receive them from presenters. | 20:47 |
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| * thiago still needs to send his session for LinuxCon Brazil | 20:49 | |
| thiago | the deadline was postponed, meaning I haven't done it yet | 20:49 |
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| IanWizard-Cloud | thiago: lol, I've got some deadlines like that :) | 20:58 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | thiago: heck, I'm working on one of them right now. | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ooh, slides :) | 21:10 |
| * Stskeeps grabs | 21:10 | |
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| * mwichmann liked the connman session api talk, actually | 21:15 | |
| DawnFoster | still waiting on the connman & architecture presentations :) | 21:16 |
| * javispedro sighs at the "Android; the first complete, open, and free mobile platform based on the Linux kernel" right on http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/milano | 21:16 | |
| Stskeeps | kudos to rrware for using back to the future reference | 21:17 |
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| * mwichmann requests bannning of any further talks entitled "it's the [foo], stupid" (there was one in the main linuxcon program, which made about five more than my tolerance limit :) | 21:18 | |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks for the presentations, DawnFoster. I'll read them during my lunch! | 21:28 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | mwichmann: what was that about specifically? | 21:31 |
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| mwichmann | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon/linville | 21:35 |
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| iluminator101 | can you run meego apps in webos | 21:45 |
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| andre__ | iluminator101: do webos and meego have a shared low-level stack? | 21:47 |
| iluminator101 | well you can run webos apps in maemo thats why i asked | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | They are both based on linux. | 21:48 |
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| javispedro | iluminator101: sure, albeit I said it depends on the app. | 21:55 |
| javispedro | *I'll say | 21:55 |
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| CosmoHill | sweeeet, I turn on the TV to the blue brothers mall car chase | 23:43 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: stop a Peir 1 imports... | 23:48 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm sure that would be funny if I knew what Peir 1 was :) | 23:51 |
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| npm | MS trolls for WebOS devs: http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=720293868 | 23:59 |
| npm | sorry bad link | 23:59 |
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