IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2011-08-17

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npmit seemed broken this morning... had to seemed like my usual freenode host was down.00:05
npm^^ Ulf^00:05
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npms/had to/00:06
npm:-)00:06
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berndhslet's keep quiet about it, lest they shut us down too00:06
npmhuh? did i miss something?00:06
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Alison_ChaikenDoes anyone know how to specify a package to absolutely force exclusion of in mic2?   -packagename in .ks doesn't appear to be sufficient.00:28
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Ulf^Alison_Chaiken, --excludepkgs="package" as a parameter behind the repo --name URL --save00:33
Alison_ChaikenThanks Ulf^, I'll try it.00:34
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augustlany suggestions to what I can do to make the QtSDK emulator use hardware Open GL on linux? I set it to use hardware instead of auto, but it still runs with SoftGL.00:52
augustlor should I just do Qt dev on my windows partition? ;)00:52
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kakinI want to mount a meego on my arvv701:33
kakinarmv701:33
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Alison_Chaikenkakin, do you have a particular question?   Have you looked athttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/ ?01:58
Alison_Chaikenoops, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/01:58
Alison_ChaikenAlso, kakin, take note of the #meego-arm channel and other channels for BeagleB, etc.01:58
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kakinThank u alison02:00
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ali1234hey why is the mailing list bouncing my emails saying i am not subscribed?02:14
ali1234i'm receiving list mail, what is going on?02:14
thiagoprobably sending with the wrong sender address02:15
ali1234no02:15
ali1234hmm maybe02:15
ali1234no, i'm sending form the address that the ML delivers to02:16
ali1234also i've posted before without problems02:16
ali1234according to my meego.com account page i am subscribed02:18
ali1234i guess i will open a bug02:18
ali1234i just wanted to reply to the guy having trouble with ideapad wireless, to reset the bios because of that known bug that nobody mentioned yet02:18
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ali1234ah, did he cross post?02:19
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ali1234yes, he did02:20
ali1234and i am not subscribed to *all* those MLs02:20
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ali1234the joys of having over 9000 mailing lists....02:20
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kakindid u confirm02:24
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html"mee go" to facebook!! lol03:59
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ebokokeilittekos jo 10.7.1 -pätsiä, toimiko ok?07:40
ebosorry, wrong channel. :)07:40
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lcukmorning \o11:15
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lcuk[MeeGo-dev] N900 and N900CE related bugs    http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg10558.html12:39
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lcukaraujo, that is a good thread :)12:40
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CosmoHilllcuk: .o/12:42
lcuksrihi CosmoHill12:42
* lcuk just reviewing bug meeting from this morning12:42
lcukand reading mails12:42
CosmoHillI got a Sony w995 last night and I've been playing with it a lot12:42
CosmoHilland going on facebook >.<12:42
lcuknice12:42
lcuklbt, I am also reading and rereading http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructure-meego-by-installments.html12:42
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CosmoHilllcuk: I wasn't happy when my phone went online cos I get charged for data tranfer, only to tell me that it requires wifi to use iplayer, even tho the wifi was on and there was no reason to use 3G12:57
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lcukCosmoHill, that is amusing13:06
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CosmoHillDear Nokia, get a new proxy, thanks13:59
Stskeepsheh, damn straight13:59
CosmoHillStskeeps: do you still play openttd?14:00
Stskeepson occasion14:00
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CosmoHillwhat add-ons do you use?14:00
Stskeepsonly one is the tram one really14:01
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CosmoHillI have an expanding amount but my tram one doesn't work. I use canadian stations, british trains and big trucks14:02
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CosmoHillffs nokia14:04
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lcukwhat is the technology used for pen input on the htc flyer?14:12
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Stskeepssausage?14:14
lcuklol14:14
lcuki mean wacom or similar14:14
lcuki do not know the technology name though14:15
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Sho_lcuk: i read something about a collab with N-trig iirc14:17
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lcukSho_, what do you mean what is N-trig?14:17
lcukN-trig DuoSense® Solution Technology Overview14:18
lcukN-trig DuoSense® solution is a dual-mode interface, powered by a single device, utilizing both pen and projected capacitive multi-touch functionality.14:18
lcukahhh!!!!14:18
Sho_lcuk: N-trig is a company making digital pen techology14:18
Sho_which I think is what HTC is using on the Flyer14:18
lcukhttp://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=DualModeTechnology14:18
lcukSho_, it sounds great actually14:19
* lcuk wonders about a device program 14:19
Sho_well, I like the 7" form factor a lot14:19
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lcukSho_, yes it is a nice size for writing on14:20
lcuknow, we just have make a meego product using it14:20
Sho_for reading too imho14:20
lcukSho_, sure14:20
Sho_kindle size is already too large for me to use comfortaby in bed14:21
Sho_*comfortably14:21
lcukSho_, I use my n810/n900s for reading14:21
lcukthe n900 is a little smaller than I prefer but with autoscroll14:22
Sho_lcuk: yep, N810 + FBReader here still, too14:22
lcukit reads fine14:22
* lcuk uses liqbook :)14:22
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SpeedEvilfbreader here on n900 works well14:22
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Sho_a trooper, that good old N810 ..14:22
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SpeedEvilAnd I have a kindle.14:22
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lcukSpeedEvil, fbreader is great for the various file formats14:23
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SpeedEvilTo setup the kindle for restful nightime reading is muchharder, as I need to screw with the lights14:23
lcukheh14:23
lcukkindle is a great beachbook14:23
Sho_and I don't really believe in dedicated ebook reading devices anyway ... I want the full power of a proper mobile OS14:24
Sho_it's just more satisfying in terms of software ecosystem14:24
SpeedEvillcuk: yes - it's good for reading in the sun14:24
lcukSho_, taking phone with slide keyboard onto a beach is o_O inducing14:24
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Sho_lcuk: heh i don't often get to read on beaches anyway14:26
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lcukSho_, thanks for that link14:29
lcukwhat I am wondering is if that is just screen and if the computer is included14:29
* lcuk writes it into the spec anyway14:29
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Sho_happy to help14:29
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cityLightsis qgill here/14:43
cityLightshere?14:43
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bkalingagdb /tmp/corewatcher/core.1293.processed14:45
bkalinga"/tmp/corewatcher/core.1293.processed": not in executable format: File format not recognized14:45
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lcukbkalinga, "gdb --core=corefile"14:51
lcukthe default parameter is the binary14:51
bkalingaok14:51
bkalingawhy the name is with .processed is that the case in Linux14:52
lcukidk14:53
lcukcityLights, it is a bit early for quim14:53
lcuktry email or forum message14:53
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lcuki will be on email for rest of the day \o16:12
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paulkhi17:01
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paulkanyone working on porting meego to the nexus s here?17:02
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dm8tbrpaulk: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird#Nexus_S17:04
paulkyeah I know this page17:04
paulkI'd like to give the answer to the bad colors17:04
Stskeepsmm?17:05
paulkanyone interested here?17:05
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Stskeeps#meego-arm might work better but usually people are in here too17:05
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the-bossStskeeps: Error: "meego-arm" is not a valid command.17:05
paulkah I see17:05
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paulkthanks17:06
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iekkutomorrows N900CE bug triage meeting is cancelled, having fever18:13
dm8tbriekku: get well soon!18:14
iekkuthanks18:14
dm8tbriekku: and now hopp, bed, no laptops!18:14
iekkuyes dad... :P18:15
dm8tbr:P18:15
* dm8tbr isn't _that_ old18:15
iekkuhaha18:16
iekkubut i'm just teenager...18:16
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lcukAlison_Chaiken, for your project, are you using just the exopc or will the ivi stuff work on other devices?19:51
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Alison_Chaikenlcuk, I have variously used the ExoPC or the Pandaboard.    The IVI is not that different from other MeeGo UXes in its HW requirements, so general remarks apply.19:53
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lcukcool20:00
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Alison_ChaikenThis morning in a clean install of "Tablet Preview", I zypped up.    The update got halfway through and froze.   Reboots produced an unusable system.20:07
Alison_ChaikenI tried zypping up more, as previous updates did not complete, but liblzma.so.0 was missing, and zypp was stuck.20:07
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Alison_ChaikenInvestigation showed that there was /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5, but not liblzma.so.0.   I made the symlink via ln, and am happy to say that zypper runs again.20:08
Alison_ChaikenThe repo I'm pulling from is trunk/latest.   Hope this helps somebody!20:08
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augustlhi, folks. Can I make alt+tab only list windows in the current zone? Kind of like how gnome2 and xfce handles it, per workspace alt+tab.20:19
augustlalternatively, is there an advanced settings browser somewhere, gconf style?20:20
lcukAlison_Chaiken, ensuring zypper works is quite important, but updating packages appears not to be20:21
lcukI know you have pasted it here, I wonder whether a bug report would be needed20:21
lcukaugustl, I have looked for advanced things around alt-tab but never found any way to handle it20:21
* lcuk would really like to try and make some feature requests in that department20:22
lcukaugustl, how do you like the sliding animation on alt-tab?20:22
augustllcuk: I see20:22
iekkulcuk, i think there's some open bugs already about updating. if not there's need for one20:22
augustlI wish I could skip that as well ;) Or make it faster.20:22
augustlanyways, I'm talking about multiple windows in one zone. I manually place a terminal and emacs in the same zone.20:22
augustland want to alt tab only between those two. And use ctrl+alt+arrow keys to swap zones20:23
iekkulcuk, and i think those would be release_update_blockers...20:23
lcukbug 10544 is the one that if cured would help multitasking immensely20:23
augustlnot a sensible default, but would be nice to have a setting for that20:23
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications20:23
lcukiekku, ahh great20:23
iekkulcuk, or then i'm just hallusinating with my fever, let me check20:24
lcukiekku, I know there are some for the noarch20:24
lcukbug 2049320:25
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20493 nor, Undecided, ---, marko.saukko, ASSI, [CE] armv7nhl packages do not get updated properly20:25
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iekkulcuk, so this is met also with vanilla image?20:25
Sageiekku: that is with vanilla for sure as well.20:26
lcukiekku, not sure, have not tested - there are various bugs around zypper that I try and wade through to see common things20:26
augustldoes nokia's work on the N9 affect the netbook meego at all? I don't know anything about the meego architecture..20:27
TSCHAKeeeno.20:27
iekkuaugustl, the CE bug is for MeeGo N900 Community Edition20:28
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augustlare there any shared components between meego netbook and meego for the n9?20:28
iekkuaugustl, not for the N9, having MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan, and those bugs are not reported to the bugs.meego.com20:28
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augustliekku: I see20:29
iekkuSage, that's something i have been thinking, since there's been so much talking about that in here20:29
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iekkumaybe some brave soldier have enough time to file a bug?20:29
iekkulcuk, volunteer? ;)20:30
augustldoes harmattan contain any netbook stuff? Or is it just for phones? Can I install a harmattan beta on my eee?20:31
lcukiekku, I do not have an x86 system/tablet to test updating from20:31
iekkulcuk, ok20:31
lcuki can only usb load meego on my ideapad20:31
TSCHAKeeeaugustl: you can't install harmattan anywhere but on an N9.20:31
lcukI have applied for an exopc20:31
iekkulcuk, hope you get one20:31
lcukiekku, me too :)20:32
augustlTSCHAKeee: I see20:32
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* lcuk speccing out full application for future20:32
augustlmeego is a collection of OS-es, then? One netbook OS, one mobile os, etc?20:32
lcukiekku, having a strong updatable OS is important20:32
lcukand hopefully the tablet ux will be good20:32
iekkulcuk, +120:32
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lcukiekku, every day I try best to ensure20:33
augustland I guess a common Qt core?20:33
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lcukaugustl, yes, there has been somedilly dallying around with the 1.3 and project needs to be back on track20:33
iekkuok, now going to lay on sofa, having 38C now and feels like more to come20:33
lcukiekku, rest easy20:33
augustlseems like https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-core-software-platform answers my questions20:34
augustlso N9 basically is Meego 1.2 for mobiles? With enough dedication I could get the N9 os on, say, a samsung phone?20:34
TSCHAKeeesigh20:34
TSCHAKeeeaugustl: the N9 runs a specific version of Maemo 6, called Harmattan20:35
augustloh, so it's not MeeGo. Sorry.20:35
TSCHAKeeeaugustl: it is not,nor will be available for anything else than the Nokia N920:35
TSCHAKeeeyou can not port it20:35
augustlso it's not a free OS. I see.20:35
TSCHAKeeeit is MeeGo Compliant20:35
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TSCHAKeeefuck, i swear20:35
TSCHAKeeeyou pedants20:35
TSCHAKeeewaaah, not a free OS20:35
augustlTSCHAKeee: you need a hug. *hugs*20:36
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peterbjornxzhello20:36
augustlTSCHAKeee: I'm not whining, I'm just curious ;)20:36
Stskeeps'lo TSCHAKeee, how goes?20:36
peterbjornxzis there anything i can do to speed up the n900ce ?20:36
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TSCHAKeeeStskeeps: could be better, just spent the last 6 hours recovering my house computer, because a runaway program was crasing repeatedly and dropping multi-gig cores all over the place, filling up the disk, and on its way out, it decided to truncate my passwd, group, shadow, and pluto.conf files20:37
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TSCHAKeeei am back up and running again, but nothing like a near catastrophe to bring blood pressure to levels never before.20:38
StskeepsTSCHAKeee: ah, linux..20:38
peterbjornxzLOL, that was one mighty bug then20:38
Stskeepspeterbjornxz: what class SD card20:38
Stskeeps?20:38
peterbjornxzeMMC20:38
Stskeepsah, that may perform worse20:38
peterbjornxzok, so, its the storage20:39
augustlTSCHAKeee: anyway, thanks, I didn't realize maemo still existed.20:39
peterbjornxzi thought maybe bad kernel settings20:39
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Sageiekku: there are also other zypp bugs in the 1.2.x branch but I haven't had time to track those down.20:40
Stskeepspeterbjornxz: there's many good reasons why things are slow20:40
peterbjornxzare there any reasons i can solve by tweaking something?20:40
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Sageiekku: also might be something in mic though as well but I will check those during this or next week as I need those to be solved anyway.20:40
Stskeepspeterbjornxz: if you have experience tuning, feel free to experiment20:40
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iekkuSage, thanks! good work, as always!20:42
augustlTSCHAKeee: haha this was all explained in the wikipedia article on the N9. ><20:43
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peterbjornxzwhat is qt_reco_app20:46
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Stskeepsnontranslated string20:46
peterbjornxzi mean which app20:46
peterbjornxzit is not responding20:46
Stskeepsthe active one i think20:47
peterbjornxzare there any n900 overclocking apps for meego20:47
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blauzahlwhoa... my n900 runs hot as it is21:16
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augustlbeen googling for info on running other OS-es than android on an Asus Transformer. Not finding much. Has anyone been able to run meego on it?22:34
augustla transformer with meego would rock, for some terminal and emacs goodness22:34
npmwow i seem to have crystalhd enabled on my exopc after following http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC#Crystal_HD_Video_Decoder_.28BCM70015.2922:35
CosmoHillaugustl: you could see if the hardware is meego compatable, is the device a phone or a netbook?22:35
npmnow playing back 720p HD video from youtube using http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port22:35
augustlCosmoHill: it looks a lot like an eee. But it's in fact a tablet running android with a detachable keyboard22:36
augustlCosmoHill: the CPU is a nvidia tegra though22:36
npmapparently qtmobility appears to use the crystalhd "transparently"22:37
lcukaugustl, there are some details about tegra devices22:37
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA222:37
Alison_Chaikennpm, I made the mistake of zypp updating my ExoPC to 1.2.80 and it got totally borked.    Something breaks rpmdb.22:37
lcukwell, tagra222:37
npmyeah 1.2.0.90 is the one22:37
augustllcuk: ah nice22:37
Alison_ChaikenNext step was going to be crystalHD: try, try again.22:37
npm1.2.80 is 1.3 which is not ready22:37
lcukAlison_Chaiken, since the discussion before, would you care to file a bug22:38
Alison_ChaikenStick with 1.2.0.90 for ExoPC right now, npm?22:38
npmwell i did have to apply a little http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem treatment22:38
npmto get it to compile22:38
npmit appeared to want 'xen-devel' for some reason22:38
npmso i got it from fedora just like everything else22:38
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Alison_Chaikenlcuk, I'm willing to file a bug.     I'm not sure what exactly is going on, though.   Zypper's logfile is MB of incomprehensible crap.22:39
Alison_ChaikenI guess I could just post the whole zypper logfile, but it seems kind of hostile!22:39
npmbut it's definitely accelerated because it was only able to get about 1-2 frames per second before22:39
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npmw/ 720P HD video22:39
lcukAlison_Chaiken, fair enough - if it is undecipherable it might not help22:39
npmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTvwS2K3NNQ never looked better22:40
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augustlwhere's a good place to ask for help about making the Qt SDK maemo emulator use hardware rendering? Currently using softGl, which is rather painful and slow.22:45
npmNew output seem from QtMobility Video component w/ crystalhd loaded: "Running DIL (3.22.0) Version" "DtsDeviceOpen: Opening HW in mode 0" "Scaling command param 0x0,ctx_scal:0x0"22:48
lcukaugustl, the #meego-sdk people may know, but not sure which may allow you to do this22:50
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration22:51
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lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration22:51
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CosmoHillaugustl: if you're still about and have a 2GB memory stick I'd suggest you see if the device can 1. boot from USB and 2. run MeeGo23:29
CosmoHillworse case is that it doesn't run meego, you remove the memory stick and reboot23:29
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ali1234if it can't boot from usb i doubt it will run meego23:45
ali1234(assuming x86)23:46
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Alison_Chaikenali1234, any device that has usb can be made to boot from usb using plop/unetbootin.23:58
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Alison_ChaikenWorks on WeTab, for example.23:59
ali1234i have a 486 machine that disagrees with you23:59
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