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| flailingmonkey | morning | 00:52 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 00:54 |
| flailingmonkey | lbt: thanks | 00:55 |
| berndhs | almost 10am in Fiji | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | they should be in church soon | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | is vgrade still the person with most running meego instances at same time? | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | I have 4 :$ | 01:06 |
| lcuk | or 5 if Harmattan is a pure instance :D | 01:06 |
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| berndhs | i have 3, but only 2 can run at the same time, and 0 are running now | 01:09 |
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| flailingmonkey | am I able to branch off of packages in build.meego.com to a package at build.pub.meego.com ? | 01:11 |
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| flailingmonkey | doesn't seem possible... I want to make a custom kernel build on OBS, and look at possibly fixing bugs in some packages there... | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | yes | 01:13 |
| flailingmonkey | specifically, i want to brank devel:kernel:kernel-adaptation-pinetrail | 01:13 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, hold on I have used command line | 01:14 |
| flailingmonkey | *branch | 01:14 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: thanks | 01:14 |
| lcuk | which was in the core afaik | 01:14 |
| lcuk | osc branch MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2.0:non-oss xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx home:lcuk | 01:14 |
| lcuk | osc branch MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2.0:non-oss ti-omap3-sgx home:lcuk | 01:14 |
| lcuk | i have used those command lines | 01:14 |
| lcuk | to make branches of projects | 01:14 |
| flailingmonkey | thanks | 01:14 |
| lcuk | you should be able to do similar | 01:14 |
| lcuk | berndhs, which 2 | 01:14 |
| flailingmonkey | I was looking at using the build.pub.meego.com web interface, but I will not be surprised if that won't support such :p | 01:15 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, you mean you were flailing around! | 01:16 |
| flailingmonkey | yupp! | 01:16 |
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| berndhs | i have netbook and tablet on a laptop, and tablet build host in a vm | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, do you own any large format tablet devices? | 01:19 |
| lcuk | not necessarily meego | 01:19 |
| berndhs | no, i don't any large, small, or medium tablets :) | 01:19 |
| berndhs | s/any/own any/ | 01:19 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: no, i don't own any large, small, or medium tablets :) | 01:19 |
| lcuk | berndhs, and why not? | 01:20 |
| flailingmonkey | 10" is considered large or medium? | 01:20 |
| flailingmonkey | for tablet | 01:20 |
| lcuk | in this modern age you should have one | 01:20 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, average size :P | 01:20 |
| berndhs | i am poor, financially speaking | 01:20 |
| flailingmonkey | ahahaaa | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i have a 20" multitouch allinone device | 01:20 |
| lcuk | berndhs, as many are | 01:20 |
| berndhs | indeed, billions and billions | 01:21 |
| lcuk | it took e many years before i obtained first handheld device | 01:21 |
| lcuk | berndhs, where are you from? | 01:22 |
| flailingmonkey | berndhs: I was loaned an exopc tablet when I went to a free Intel AppUp Meego event | 01:23 |
| berndhs | https://profiles.google.com/113338680925263376814/about?hl=en | 01:23 |
| berndhs | i applied for an exoPC with the developer device program, I'm sure they will send be a bunch of them :) | 01:24 |
| flailingmonkey | yea, i would have been really happy if i had the option of N950. but Nokia can't support MeeGo in US, it might crush WP7 :p | 01:25 |
| berndhs | could be that the service providers don't want to sell (subsidize) a device that has no upgrade path planned | 01:26 |
| flailingmonkey | that's quite possible, but that is a different consideration than trying to build up developer interest in their N9 phone. doesn't much matter where you develop, you'd be contributing to a product's success | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, what would you develop? | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | and are you enjoying your exopc? | 01:31 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: i had never considered a tablet before, but I think it has many possibilities :) i can definitely see the exopc as being the device I pick up on my way into my home, and then transfer what i'm doing to a compute device perhaps | 01:32 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, :) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | I already see tablets as big devices! | 01:32 |
| berndhs | i would like a really big tablet, like the one in "Hunt for Red October", to plan my strategic moves :) | 01:32 |
| lcuk | I only wish manufacturers added wall mounting chargers too | 01:33 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: watching media on it is definitely its strength. reading documents is definitely a major missing app for meego tablet | 01:33 |
| lcuk | berndhs, just hold a smaller one close to your face | 01:33 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, so you see tablets for media consumpution? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | what about content creation? | 01:33 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: yes tablets are definitely meant to stand, not lay flat | 01:33 |
| lcuk | what can you *do* or *make* with them | 01:33 |
| berndhs | well, I do have a magnigying glass about the sice of a phone :) | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, I am also curious about your compute device distinction | 01:34 |
| flailingmonkey | for most creation that i do, it would be "non-media" creation | 01:34 |
| lcuk | like what? | 01:34 |
| flailingmonkey | document writing, word processor or spreadsheets, coding as well | 01:34 |
| flailingmonkey | not too difficult to add a keyboard though, i am doing that already :) | 01:35 |
| lcuk | ok so with a keyboard | 01:35 |
| lcuk | which ide would you use? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | are you a qt developer? | 01:35 |
| flailingmonkey | but it seems like the tablet starts to ape the laptop when you do so. it is no longer held, for example | 01:35 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: i mainly work with C and python (mostly non-GUI programming), but qt is something I want to become more familiar with | 01:36 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, I keep playing with idea of layout/design app on the device | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110607_220246.liqdesign2.scr.png | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | a very simplistic ide will emerge at some point | 01:37 |
| flailingmonkey | thinking of a ZUI there? | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | great thing about app development, you can ebb and flow | 01:37 |
| lcuk | zui? | 01:37 |
| flailingmonkey | zoomable user interface | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, liqbase already is http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png | 01:38 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm guessing just 2 levels in this case, zoomed out to see desktop, zoomed in to use something fullscreen | 01:38 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, it is actually recursive | 01:38 |
| flailingmonkey | cool :) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | you can jump around quite far :) | 01:38 |
| flailingmonkey | i was in a group which wrote a ZUI in vala and clutter, for a university senior design project | 01:39 |
| lcuk | cool, what was it called? | 01:39 |
| flailingmonkey | "Curious OS" | 01:39 |
| flailingmonkey | the project leader was much much more ambitious than was feasible ;) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | sounds similar | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, that has been my brain putty project for a number of years | 01:40 |
| lcuk | many elements are transferable to other contexts and is great for ideas :) | 01:41 |
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| flailingmonkey | in addition to the ZUI, he wanted to do knowledge representation and interact with all files as object types, with system-wide methods/functions which handle object types instead of using specific applications to open files and provide features | 01:41 |
| flailingmonkey | and instead of declared object types, infer type based on object properties | 01:42 |
| lcuk | sometimes the brainwork in opening specific application then the document is good | 01:42 |
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| flailingmonkey | the general approach was you zoomed into a "document" or visualization of data and once you zoomed in you could perform any available action on it | 01:44 |
| flailingmonkey | unfortunately the design was not really fully considered, but perhaps another shot at it in the future with lessons learned | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, how is that different from context menu? | 01:46 |
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| flailingmonkey | not very different from context menu, mostly in how it was presented. i suppose it would be more like super context menu, with search (never implemented, but idea was you'd be able to type name of function you'd want to use) | 01:47 |
| flailingmonkey | i would summarize the project as having too many cool ideas crammed together at once :P | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Indeed. | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes modality is good! | 01:48 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, I should have a chat with this guy | 01:49 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, I like browsing filesystem/object tree | 01:49 |
| lcuk | but sometimes, I like to open an app specifically because it will give a blank piece of paper | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 01:50 |
| lcuk | because it happens to collate and list recent other projects is a good thing ;) | 01:50 |
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| flailingmonkey | non-terminal file browsing is definitely something I miss in tablet ux | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Did I point you at tiddlywiki.com? | 01:50 |
| flailingmonkey | also terminal supporting maliit | 01:51 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, the term app for harmattan was released | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | afaik it supports the vkb but not sure whether it is usable yet on generic meego | 01:51 |
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| flailingmonkey | good to know | 01:54 |
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| flailingmonkey | i wonder how Swype plans to go about making their keyboard available. i'm almost certain it is totally supported by maliit, so is it just a matter of purchasing their plug-in? | 01:55 |
| flailingmonkey | i thought about pulling it from the Tablet UX image Intel has that includes it | 01:56 |
| lcuk | i believe so | 01:56 |
| lcuk | i would rather find official way to do it | 01:56 |
| lcuk | is there a reason to include it in the open meego | 01:57 |
| flailingmonkey | i can't see how it would get included in open, since its totally proprietary. but some mention was made online about it being integrated | 01:58 |
| flailingmonkey | http://www.meegotablet.net/swype-will-be-a-built-in-function-in-meego-os/ | 01:59 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm pretty sure Intel's image caused that confusion though. but if its a simple matter of downloading it from AppUp, i think that's good enough | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | flailingmonkey, indeed | 02:03 |
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| flailingmonkey | I am getting the feeling that I wish the touch button on the exopc brought me to the running process list first, not the panels ux | 02:25 |
| flailingmonkey | i guess i really want it to behave more like the top left corner button in fremantle | 02:25 |
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| Sicadera | hallo everybody | 02:54 |
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| Sicadera | can you play radio form chrome if windows media player plugin is wanted? | 02:55 |
| Sicadera | *from | 02:55 |
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| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/amiga# #Amiga #SmartPhone is real ! #video of me playing battle #chess on #harmattan #N950Club ... #AmigaWillNeverDie | 03:45 | |
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| tim____ | does meego have 3d acceleration and able to play 3d games? | 04:44 |
| ali1234 | yes | 04:46 |
| ali1234 | meego practically requires it | 04:46 |
| ali1234 | whether any games will be ported to it is another question though | 04:47 |
| tim____ | im making my own games console that why i was asking | 04:49 |
| tim____ | will i be able to the default meego stuff out like the logos | 04:49 |
| tim____ | take out * | 04:49 |
| berndhs | tim____: look carefully at the licence files in the packages you are changing | 04:51 |
| tim____ | unless the meego UX is in the fedora repos | 04:52 |
| berndhs | tim____: and even if you are using any of package meego-ux-theme, look at that licence especially | 04:52 |
| tim____ | i thought the UX was open source? | 04:53 |
| berndhs | it doesn't matter where you take it from, look at the licence | 04:53 |
| tim____ | in fact does meego work with AMD? | 04:54 |
| berndhs | don't argue with me, I'm not their lawyer. Read the licence, then you will know. | 04:54 |
| tim____ | lol | 04:55 |
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| lcuk | iekku, how was the bug munching? | 13:49 |
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| yellabs | Is there an official twitter channel for meego? | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | http://twitter.com/#!/meegocom | 13:56 |
| yellabs | Thanks | 13:57 |
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| yellabs | Following meego on twitter now :) | 14:00 |
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| yellabs | When will new software be added to meego 1.2? Netbook version , it does not have much beside chrome browser .. ;) | 14:15 |
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| pebcak | yellabs what do you mean? | 14:19 |
| pebcak | community repo? | 14:20 |
| yellabs | Apps programs software , i looked in comm repo but it does not have much | 14:20 |
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| pebcak | don't know what you're looking for.... | 14:22 |
| yellabs | Tried using opensuse rpms but that did not work | 14:22 |
| pebcak | fedora | 14:22 |
| pebcak | fc14 | 14:22 |
| pebcak | have a look at meegolem | 14:22 |
| yellabs | Oh , okey | 14:23 |
| yellabs | I ca | 14:24 |
| yellabs | I can add fedora repositories to meego? | 14:24 |
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| yellabs | Is meego 1.2 not build on opensuse? Newbee question | 14:30 |
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| yellabs | I guess i have some reading to do ;) | 14:35 |
| yellabs | Have a nice day! | 14:36 |
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| lcuk | yellabs, ping | 15:06 |
| lcuk | damn | 15:06 |
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| berndhs | morning | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | morning berndhs | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, how is irc coming on? | 16:08 |
| Venemo | lcuk, well enough, but I encountered a barrier | 16:08 |
| Venemo | I'd need a Qt guru | 16:08 |
| Venemo | alterego, ping | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, what do you mean? | 16:35 |
| lcuk | and what prevents its utilisation directly on meego | 16:35 |
| * lcuk has a netbook that could be tested | 16:35 | |
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| Venemo | directly on MeeGo, I'm not sure whether harmattan's components are compatible with MeeGo's or not | 16:36 |
| Venemo | unfortunately I do not have either a netbook or a tablet with MeeGo | 16:36 |
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| Venemo | I may install MeeGo onto my N900 when I have the time... now that I'm using N950 as primary device :) | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, good, it is easy to do | 16:38 |
| Venemo | but it will be ready for harmattan today. | 16:38 |
| Venemo | as v0.1 :) | 16:38 |
| Venemo | as for the N900, I plan an eMMC install (I don't have a suitable MicroSD card) | 16:39 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, do you know how many differences are there between qt-components on Harmattan and plain MeeGo? | 16:42 |
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| Venemo | as soon as I finished working around the current problem and finished adding channel notifications, I'll make a .deb for Harmattan users so they can begin battle-testing | 16:44 |
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| alterego | Venemo: pong | 16:58 |
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| Venemo | alterego, I have a ServerSettings class which is a QObject subclass and has Q_PROPERTY properties (becasue I want to bind to them from QML). I want to store a QList of these in QSettings. but unfortunately it seems not possible... because it complains that the copy constructor of QObject is private | 17:19 |
| Venemo | alterego, I think I already found a workaround for this | 17:20 |
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| thiago | Venemo: QList if non-QObjects | 17:23 |
| Venemo | thiago, but they ARE QObjects | 17:24 |
| thiago | you can't have a QList of QObjects | 17:24 |
| thiago | you can have QList of non-QObjects or a QList of pointers to QObjects | 17:24 |
| Venemo | yeah | 17:26 |
| Venemo | the latter was my workaround | 17:26 |
| Venemo | they need to be QObjects because I'm binding their properties to QML | 17:26 |
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| nasa01 | Hi, is hfdialer being replaced with something? I don't see the package listed under Trunk. | 17:27 |
| Venemo | brb | 17:29 |
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| etakarine | good afternoon | 17:51 |
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| etakarine | is anyone using on meego 1.2 an alternative to bashee? bashee is a big of a resource hog.... | 17:54 |
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| pebcak | banshee | 17:56 |
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| iekku | lcuk, we did only the presentations, need to have other day for group works | 17:58 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I need to build i2c-i810.ko and hid_egalax.ko for Pinetrail processor. | 19:17 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Should I use kernel-adaptation-pinetrail MeeGo 1.2 branch, or maybe testing? They are both 2.6.39. I had been using 2.6.37 from Tablet UX. Or maybe I should stick with Tablet UX kernel for ExoPC? | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, congrats on new posting btw | 19:24 |
| lcuk | I replied in #meego-ivi too | 19:25 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, lcuk. | 19:26 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, what are you to be doing? is it related to the new ultrabooks? | 19:26 |
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| M4rtinK | X-Fade: any news about the forced -j4 make parameter in OBS ? :) | 19:54 |
| M4rtinK | just triggered a rebuild of my GTK packages to see if something changed :) | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | M4rtinK: you mean like MAKEFLAGS="-j4" ? | 19:59 |
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| M4rtinK | CosmoHill: yep, it looks like OBS just forces | 20:06 |
| M4rtinK | it | 20:06 |
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| javispedro | the weird thing is that according to that OBS discussion they remove it | 20:07 |
| javispedro | *removed | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | I can see this being a problem for packages that expect a single job at a time like libee | 20:07 |
| M4rtinK | causing packages with more elaborate rules files to fail | 20:07 |
| M4rtinK | yep, thats exactly the problem | 20:07 |
| javispedro | so no idea if we are using an older OBS version, or what | 20:07 |
| thiago | -j4 should be enabled by default | 20:08 |
| thiago | disabled on blacklisted packages that can't be parallel-built | 20:08 |
| thiago | and a bug reported upstream | 20:08 |
| javispedro | violates debian spec | 20:08 |
| * thiago looks at the channel name | 20:08 | |
| thiago | this isn't #debian | 20:09 |
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| thiago | building with -j$PROCESSOR_COUNT is a good thing | 20:09 |
| javispedro | it is not | 20:09 |
| thiago | of course it is | 20:09 |
| thiago | if I have 4 cores, I want to use all of them | 20:09 |
| javispedro | even on the template debian/rules file, this means ./configure runs on one core and make runs on the other | 20:09 |
| thiago | when I'm in a compile farm, I want to use it | 20:09 |
| thiago | huh? | 20:09 |
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| thiago | why would you run configure and make in parallel? | 20:10 |
| thiago | run configure first, then make -j4 | 20:10 |
| arfoll | javispedro, considered that debian/rules should be fixed? | 20:10 |
| thiago | I used to build Qt with -j60 on the office compile farm... | 20:10 |
| javispedro | because that's what happens when you run debian/rules with -j4, you debian spec violators | 20:10 |
| thiago | javispedro: we're not debian, we don't use .deb | 20:10 |
| thiago | rpm spec files aren't Makefiles | 20:10 |
| javispedro | we are talking about the OBS debian/harmattan target | 20:10 |
| thiago | the commands are run in sequence | 20:10 |
| lcuk | ooh | 20:10 |
| thiago | oh | 20:10 |
| javispedro | :) | 20:10 |
| thiago | ok, then I stop caring | 20:11 |
| lcuk | RT @pasinomo organizing now meego conference in Beijing for November, updates soon. Make your prebooking for good talks with meego people and great xmas… http://twitter.com/#!/pasinomo/status/102596163483607040 | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | all I want is a way of disabling this behaviour per package :) | 20:11 |
| lcuk | hi javispedro thiago \o | 20:11 |
| arfoll | M4rtinK, you can. just use make -j1 | 20:11 |
| javispedro | arfoll: I can do that for simpler packages, but now go fix the Gtk+ debian/rules =) | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | as I have to modify the packages anyway (downgrade debhelper, etc.) | 20:11 |
| javispedro | arfoll: na, you can | 20:11 |
| arfoll | javispedro, i did it for a pkg the other day | 20:11 |
| javispedro | arfoll: at most, you can do a debian/rules wrapper that calls the real rules with -j1 | 20:12 |
| javispedro | arfoll: the issue is NOT with the package itself | 20:12 |
| javispedro | but with the debian/rules file | 20:12 |
| arfoll | well i did it on a spec file | 20:12 |
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| arfoll | just specified make -j1 isntead of %make macro. can't you do something like that in deb world? | 20:13 |
| javispedro | how to explain :) | 20:14 |
| javispedro | the issue is that on debian the spec file is a Makefile | 20:14 |
| javispedro | and that Makefile is being called with -j4 | 20:14 |
| javispedro | therefore %configure and %make are being run at the same time, on different cores | 20:14 |
| arfoll | oh. now that is a funny side effect | 20:14 |
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| javispedro | you can easily fix the trivial ones (I've been doing that so far) | 20:15 |
| javispedro | but half of the debian archive assumes this stage is sequential, not parallel, and that includes all of the definitely nontrivial packagings | 20:16 |
| javispedro | (like Gtk+) | 20:16 |
| arfoll | how does opensuse obs handle it? | 20:16 |
| berndhs | why does any of this work on debian ? they serialize all their builds ? | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | this is how it looks like in the build log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | arfoll: afaik, they eventually moved debian packages to -j1, as debian has its own way of enabling make -j4 | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | first "make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule." then "/usr/bin/make -j3 -C /usr/src/packages/BUILD \" followed by "make[1]: warning: -jN forced in submake: disabling jobserver mode." | 20:17 |
| javispedro | *-jN :) | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | basically you pass a environment var with the number of jobs to use and the rules files is expected to call make on the apropiate targets that way. | 20:18 |
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| javispedro | but the rules file itself should be executed sequentially. | 20:19 |
| tsdgeos | hi, i just installed meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.13.20110811.83.img into an exopc and now it won't boot anymore, gets stuck at the "MeeGo" splash screen | 20:19 |
| tsdgeos | any idea what to do? | 20:19 |
| tsdgeos | i've already reflashed twice | 20:19 |
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| M4rtinK | javispedro: so even if I force -j1 in the rules file, OBS would still run it in 4 threads at once and it would still fail ? | 20:24 |
| javispedro | it would still fail. | 20:25 |
| M4rtinK | Nice! :) | 20:25 |
| javispedro | you have to add fake dependencies everywhere | 20:25 |
| M4rtinK | ? | 20:26 |
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| M4rtinK | to force-serialise it somehow ? | 20:27 |
| javispedro | yes | 20:27 |
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| M4rtinK | what about some cascading sleep commands ? :D | 20:27 |
| javispedro | the idea is to for example add rules like build-stamp: configure-stamp | 20:27 |
| thiago | if debian/rules are a Makefile, why don't they include .NOTPARALLEL: ? | 20:27 |
| thiago | that would force make to run them in sequence, but allow -j for inner targets | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | ok? /me goes read the docs | 20:28 |
| javispedro | *oh | 20:28 |
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| thiago | it's a gmake extension | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | thiago: nice! thanks! | 20:30 |
| javispedro | that changes the plan; if it becomes trivial to fix debian/rules then I say keep the -j4. | 20:31 |
| M4rtinK | javispedro: I'm all for keeping it on by default (I would say some 75% of packages build just fine with it) if there is a way of disabling it for the problematic ones | 20:33 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK: just add .NOTPARALLEL: to the debian/rules file | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | javispedro: I'm right on it :) | 20:34 |
| thiago | including the colon | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | does it matter where I put it ? | 20:34 |
| javispedro | aiui not. | 20:35 |
| thiago | I don't think so either | 20:35 |
| thiago | it's like the .PHONY: target. It just needs to be present. | 20:35 |
| thiago | I'd recommend it not being the first. The first target has a special meaning. | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK | so if I put it just behind "#!/usr/bin/make -f" is it ok ? :) | 20:36 |
| javispedro | better add it to the end | 20:36 |
| thiago | append to the bottom :-) | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | added just behind .PHONY: | 20:37 |
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| * lbt wonders if that could be done by OBS somehow | 20:47 | |
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| M4rtinK | OK, so 2 packages (gtk-lenny and gtk-hardy) modified and sent to OBS for build | 20:50 |
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| thiago | aren't "hardy" and "lenny" Debian codenames? | 20:51 |
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| M4rtinK | well, thats just me internal naming | 20:51 |
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| M4rtinK | it means GTK versions repackaged from Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Hardy | 20:52 |
| thiago | what are you doing, by curiosity? | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | I need PyGTK for my main project: the modRana navigation system | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | already got it working on my N950 using packages build in scratchbox | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | *built | 20:57 |
| thiago | so you're hoping one of those two rulesets will build? | 20:58 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK: so you have experienced how ugly Gtk+ looks on Harmattan and you are happy with it? :) | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I basically just need ONE working GTK version :) | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | javispedro: actually looks the same as on N900 :) | 20:59 |
| thiago | yeah, except the N950 doesn't look anything like the N900 | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | modRana sidesteps most of GTK and draws the whole GUI inside a Cairo widget :) | 21:00 |
| javispedro | probably you are not using any of Gtk+'s widgets and you could as well use SDL. | 21:00 |
| M4rtinK | If I could use it with Cairo, why not | 21:00 |
| javispedro | oh, you can, I've done it | 21:01 |
| javispedro | also, http://cairographics.org/SDL/ | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | OH ! :D | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | well now that's something :) | 21:01 |
| javispedro | consider if you need multiple windows or text input before switching¡ | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | that could be a problem - IMO SDL 1.2 does not even properly support Unicode | 21:03 |
| javispedro | it does not support text input. | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | at all ? :) | 21:04 |
| javispedro | at all, so far. | 21:04 |
| Bostik | it supports keyboard events, but how you deal with them is up to you entirely | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I'm sure some workaround could be found | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | also, what about Python interaction ? | 21:05 |
| javispedro | http://pygame.org/wiki/CairoPygame | 21:05 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK: but if you are interested in text input, it means you are using a GtkEntry widget somewhere? | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | I just launch message box with a GTK entry | 21:06 |
| javispedro | so then you DO use widgets. that message will look ugly :) | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | it does :D | 21:07 |
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| M4rtinK | also the entry widget does not start the onscreen keyboard :) | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | the hardware keyboard works though | 21:07 |
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| tsdgeos | don't get the onscreen keyboard either with meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.13.20110811.83.img | 21:10 |
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| M4rtinK | I might just well start a small Qt/QML app for the text entry :) or process the raw keyboard events - or make a custom onscreen keyboard, Opera style :) | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | modRana already has special device modules for platform specific hacks like this :) | 21:16 |
| javispedro | gtk+ text entry will eventually work though | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | eventually ? | 21:17 |
| javispedro | when I get into it | 21:17 |
| javispedro | (or someone else) | 21:17 |
| M4rtinK | so you are also working on GTK ? | 21:17 |
| javispedro | not yet | 21:18 |
| javispedro | I am still working on SDL. | 21:18 |
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| M4rtinK | it would be nice to get some more modern GTK version running | 21:19 |
| javispedro | let's move to #harmattan though | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | with gobject introspection, etc. | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 21:19 |
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| tsdgeos | anyone has a hint for a working meego image? | 21:25 |
| tsdgeos | 1.2.0.90.13.20110811.83 does not show the on screen keyboard, 1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2 doesn't boot from usb | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | antman8969, \o | 23:28 |
| lcuk | i tried the .deb you provided a few days ago | 23:29 |
| antman8969 | which was that? | 23:29 |
| lcuk | thanks it gave me a look at the irc client Venemo has been making | 23:29 |
| antman8969 | aaah | 23:29 |
| antman8969 | yea it's looking nice, if he adds the functionality I'll throw up another deb | 23:29 |
| antman8969 | Would be nice to use it | 23:29 |
| Venemo | antman8969, it's coming along nicely | 23:30 |
| antman8969 | could you link the repo again? forgot to bookmark | 23:30 |
| Venemo | I'll make a package of it this evening | 23:31 |
| antman8969 | awesome | 23:31 |
| Venemo | I've just added the feature that the color of a channel in the switcher changes if there are new messages in it | 23:31 |
| antman8969 | could you link the repo anyway? I'm interested in the models you're using | 23:32 |
| Venemo | sure | 23:32 |
| Venemo | antman8969, see /topic in #irc-chatter | 23:32 |
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| M4rtinK | thiago: the .NOTPARALLEL: thing caused a "make: *** [binary-arch] Error 255" | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK | log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-hardy&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 23:38 |
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| M4rtinK | for the record, I put it directly behind .PHONY: | 23:40 |
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| thiago | M4rtinK: this is the real error: dh_install: libgtk2.0-0 missing files (debian/install/shared/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/*.so), aborting | 23:47 |
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