IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2011-08-05

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harpalcan any one help me with adding custom category in menu?00:06
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vgradenow theres a thing, http://build.meegoo.com/00:35
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berndhsi'm  not cool enough for those things00:37
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nasa01hi, is lbt around?01:47
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CosmoHillno, are you after an Community OBS account?01:49
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JayroHey! I am thinking about using Meego on my netbook. I just have afew questions. Its linux right? what package manager does it use? can you run most linux apps? and what can you do in term of customization?01:50
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nasa01CosmoHill, no -- I had posted an error message I am getting uploading files on the devel list and he suggested contacting him here.01:51
* nasa01 wonders if he could have stated that any worse...01:51
CosmoHillnasa01: okay, try about 9~10am GMT+101:51
CosmoHillJayro: hi, MeeGo does use the Linux kernel and the command line Package mangager is Zyppper01:53
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CosmoHillThere is Core, Netbook, In Vechial something, and handset01:53
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JayroCosmoHill, so as for linux apps such as thunderbird or command line tools like nmap or vlc. How does it work?01:54
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CosmoHillthere are two types of programs, Offical meego ones and ones made by the community01:54
CosmoHillIIRC Meego does not come with VLC and I don't think it uses thunderbird01:55
JayroCosmoHill, so a program that runs on say.. debian will not run on Meego?01:55
CosmoHillIt doesn't use Gnome / Unitly or KDE but it's own MeeGo UI01:55
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CosmoHillno, MeeGo is based on itself01:55
CosmoHillwhilst a program from Debian might run on Ubuntu it won't run on Gentoo or Redhat01:56
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CosmoHill(well probably won't)01:56
JayroCosmoHill, Okay.. so what can be done in terms of custimization? What if i dont like the cuet characters and the bright colors?01:56
Jayrocute*01:57
CosmoHillat the moment I'm not so sure01:57
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Jayrothen i shall srick with jolios for the moment :301:57
CosmoHillI remember they were discussing ways to separate the branding from the applications to make it easier for vendors to supply their own branding01:58
lbtnasa01: ping01:58
berndhsyou can make your own UI, but it's a bit of work01:58
nasa01lbt: pong01:58
* Jayro dosnt like work01:58
Jayro:)01:58
* nasa01 wonders if anyone does01:59
berndhsthe tablet theme has 2004 image files01:59
berndhsapproximately :)01:59
nasa01lbt: I can try an upload anytime you like01:59
lbtOK .. is it reproduceable?01:59
nasa01yes01:59
lbtok ...02:00
nasa01trying now02:00
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nasa01Error message is displaying now02:02
CosmoHilllbt: oh hey you're up02:02
lbtFFS ... logrotate isn't working ... 1161Mb log file...02:03
lbtmaybe I won't load that into emacs...02:03
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CosmoHillcyas02:08
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nasa01116M...02:12
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JayroI REALLY love the meego interface.. but I need to be able to run normal linux apps. Can anyone maybe recomend a similar OS?02:13
lbtno 1161Mb02:13
nasa01ah...  that's a lot02:14
lbtpa-0.9.22-folder-src.patch  ?02:15
nasa01yeah, that's the one02:16
lbthave you got a very slow connection?02:18
nasa01no02:19
nasa01I have comcast cable02:19
Jayrono one02:20
Jayro?02:20
lbtlooks like some kind of timeout at 60s02:20
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nasa01on my end?02:21
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lbttry again02:23
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nasa01started02:24
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lbtworked?02:26
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nasa01no02:27
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nasa01btw: I also tried uploading these files from my office -- with the same results02:28
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lbtone last time...02:31
lbtthen I have to go sleep02:31
JayroDoes meego have day to day apps like a mail client, flash support, java support, stuff like that?02:31
nasa01started now -- and sleep is good02:32
nasa01still no go02:34
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lbtsorry ... can you upload using osc?02:38
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nasa01lbt: sure one sec02:41
* nasa01 means he can try -- that hasn't been working either02:42
lbtmmm02:42
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lbtreally suggests something your end...02:42
nasa01why would a text file fail to upload?02:43
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lbtdunno... but it's fairly busy with people uploading code02:43
lbtso it seems to be you having the problem.... :)02:44
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lbtnot for sure of course02:44
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lbtemail me the file though : david@dgreaves.com ... I'll try it in the morning02:44
nasa01but it's likely a good guess02:44
nasa01sure02:44
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lbtgotta go ... eyes closing :)02:44
nasa01I need to run, so go get some sleep lbt02:44
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lbtBTW ... log a bug too02:45
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nasa01ok, sure thing02:45
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nasa01Thanks for the hand02:46
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TSCHAKeeesomebody offered to buy my Nokia N950 on Youtube, I told him politely to fuck off.03:29
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berndhsapparently he didn't offer enogh money :)03:32
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TSCHAKeeei wouldn't sell it if i were offered 10 times the price03:33
TSCHAKeee1. i love the thing03:33
TSCHAKeee2. it's a dev loaner03:33
berndhsright, wasn't nearly enough03:33
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gabrbeddTSCHAKeee: I'm shocked.  Shocked!04:05
TSCHAKeeeheheh04:05
gabrbeddYou were polite????04:05
TSCHAKeeenot really.04:05
gabrbedd:-)04:05
TSCHAKeeewhat's an even bigger insult04:06
TSCHAKeeeis when they offer $60004:06
TSCHAKeeewhich doesn't even cover the cost of the unit04:06
TSCHAKeeei''m like....really?04:06
TSCHAKeeefucking morons.04:06
TSCHAKeeehis name is hho1994... stupid kid.04:06
gabrbeddNobody has any idea what devices actually cost (or /should/ cost) any more.04:07
TSCHAKeeeand even after I explained the whole situation04:07
TSCHAKeeehe was like, "i'm sorry, i really want the phone, how about $600?"04:07
gabrbeddhee hee04:07
berndhsif he had offered enough money for a comfortable retirement...04:08
TSCHAKeeei'm like, "you idiot, if I _LOSE_ the device, I'm out almost $900 to Nokia. if I SELL the device, as I said before, I'D BE UP FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES!"04:08
TSCHAKeee"yeah, but.. I really want the phone."04:09
TSCHAKeee*rolls-eyes*04:09
gabrbeddsounds like my kids.04:09
berndhswell there's your retirement home right there04:09
gabrbedd:-/04:09
gabrbeddbut.. but...04:09
gabrbeddI want it!04:09
TSCHAKeeethis is what gets me though04:09
TSCHAKeeefor the class of users who would want the N904:09
TSCHAKeeeare the same class who want a keyboard04:09
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TSCHAKeeenow me, I don't mind.. the on screen keyboard on Harmattan works great for me04:10
gabrbeddyep.04:10
TSCHAKeeebut i'm hearing from more than one person that they consider the lack of a keyboard on the N9 a deal breaker04:11
TSCHAKeeewhich is unfortunate.. I think it's silly04:11
TSCHAKeeebut04:11
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TSCHAKeeemeh.04:11
TSCHAKeeenot to mention, i had a discussion with a friend who works over at Sony-Ericsson, and he had been given a preliminary price estimate that the N9 will be over $110004:11
TSCHAKeeeI wanna call bullshit, but he usually is right.04:12
TSCHAKeeeand he was in a meeting when the CEO heard that Elop had killed MeeGo and Symbian, to which the CEO replied, "Elop should be hung while being disemboweled."04:13
TSCHAKeeeanyway.04:13
gabrbeddDid he throw a chair?04:14
TSCHAKeeehaha04:14
TSCHAKeeeno, but i did find the reference to a viking execution reserved for traitors to be a nice touch.04:14
berndhsit isn't obvious that this will work for Elop04:14
gabrbeddyes, that is.04:14
gabrbeddTSCHAKeee: ^^^ (not berndhs)04:14
gabrbeddReckon $1100 is just an MSRP?  I can't imagine carriers paying that.04:15
TSCHAKeeeif that is, I'm gonna shit a brick04:15
TSCHAKeeei will pay it, but i will still shit a brick04:15
TSCHAKeeethat's how much I love this phone.04:15
TSCHAKeeeseriously, i wanna cry04:16
TSCHAKeeeeverything possible to run the phone into the ground04:16
TSCHAKeeegabrbedd: and you have to understand too, _NOBODY_ carried the N900 over here.04:16
TSCHAKeeeNOBODY.04:16
TSCHAKeee(the US)04:16
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gabrbeddyep.  think it'll be different with the N9?04:17
gabrbeddOr even the WP7?04:17
* gabrbedd didn't mean those as snide questions.04:18
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TSCHAKeeegabrbedd: i really don't know anymore.04:19
TSCHAKeeeI will buy the N9..and after that, i am jumping ship.04:19
TSCHAKeeeyou know it's bad, when a competing cell phone company's CEO looks over and facepalms.04:19
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gabrbeddWell, I've kept quiet with my N9 opinion... but I won't be getting an N9.  It looks awesome and all... but... well...  you know.04:20
TSCHAKeeeit will be the best phone they've ever done.04:20
TSCHAKeeeever.04:20
JaffaTSCHAKeee: That's pretty shocking :-)04:22
* TSCHAKeee laughs04:22
TSCHAKeeesarcasm...pretty...thick in here...04:22
* Jaffa meant the CEO bit ;-)04:22
gabrbeddSometimes, though, I'm nearly overwhelmed with the urge to support our MeeGo and Qt friends in NOK and get their excellent handiwork.04:22
gabrbedd</not-sarcasm>04:22
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berndhsgabrbedd: do you know why mic2 sometimes installs a package you explicitly removed ?04:27
gabrbeddberndhs: if a package is /only/ listed in the pattern, it should be excluded.  But if another package has a dep... it's going to be included.04:29
berndhsah04:29
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berndhsthe way I get around if is to make a bogus empty package with teh same name and version 999.999.99904:30
berndhsfeels kinda hokey though04:31
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flexgripHello. I just updated my netbook from an ancient version of moblin to meego 1.2 netbook (chrome). But with chrome I am getting nothing but SSL errors wherever I go. I am assuming I am missing some SSL dep?04:54
antman8969is the clock correct on your netbook?04:55
flexgripYes it is05:01
flexgripI just install openssl-certs and I think it might have worked05:01
flexgripweird that it wasnt installed by default05:01
flexgriplet me double check05:01
flexgripYep... installed openssl-certs and everything is working perfectly. Thats so stange that its not installed by default with a vanilla meego installation. It is a required package for the update manager. When i tried to update meego it told me there was a security certificate error, just like chrome was doing. Now that I have that package installed its working just fine. Submit a bug report?05:04
flexgripAlso, what is the cli package manager for this? Seems like it uses packagekit like fedora but there is no yum. should I install yum or is there something else it is using? I'm only familiar with apt(itude) yum and zypper05:05
berndhszypper05:05
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berndhsbad space weather http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=3790005:16
flexgripIn the repos there is chromium 11 and chromium 13. If I make sure the meego integration package for chromium is installed, can i safely upgrade to 13 and still keep all the integration stuff?05:20
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Kiranoshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtQa9EE0xI09:43
Kiranosnew tabco movie09:43
Kiranosused to play lemmings09:43
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chouchounemmmhhhh, they "reinvented the wheel" ?09:50
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Kiranosguess they mean not to follow the trend but to think which operative system is the best, whatever now tabco uses :)09:52
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chouchouneyep, let's see ... I want to be on 15th August09:58
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Vampir3hi everybody, why speed of download " Meego for Netbook " is so so low ?????12:05
Vampir3i download12:05
Vampir3i download " Meego for Netbook " with 8 KB/S, but in same time i download eveything else with 150 KB/S12:06
Vampir3anyone can help me?12:07
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Vampir3no one ???12:08
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Vampir3.zZ12:11
timophhave some patience please12:11
timophwhere are you downloading it from?12:12
timophlink?12:12
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Vampir3from this link : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img12:13
* timoph tries12:13
timophI'm getting ~4.5M/s12:14
timophso the problem seems to be at your end12:14
X-Fadeo to a kernel.org mirror closer to you.12:14
X-Fade*go12:15
timophyep12:15
slaineI've found that the routing to the kernel.org mirrors are better than getting the image from the meego server, but even still the peering to those isn't great sometimes12:15
X-Fadeslaine: Have you looked where repo redirects to :)12:15
Vampir3oh :( so what can i do? :(12:15
slaineX-Fade: I'm guessing mirrors.kernel.org :)12:16
X-FadeYou don't download from a meego server, you get redirected to a kernel.org mirror by mirrorbrain :)12:16
slainenod12:16
slaineit's pretty crap most of the time12:16
X-FadeBut of course it can be that you get a badly located mirror for your location.12:16
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Vampir3i'm from iran, is that the reason of my slow speed?12:16
slaineI'm from Ireland and I get slow speeds most of the time, possibly something to do with Ir in the name ;)12:17
X-FadeVampir3: That can be, check if there is a closer mirror at kernel.org.12:17
slaine^12:17
timophtry http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img12:17
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Vampir3timoph: oh dude, superb :)12:18
Vampir3timoph: your link work great :)12:18
timophgood12:19
Vampir3thank all of you :) i'm going for download it :) bBye12:19
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timophnp. have fun with MeeGo12:20
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slainearfoll: Is there a MeeGo TV .ks file as of yet ?12:35
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arfollslaine, no. CE41xx meego support is still.... pending12:35
slainearfoll, Yeah, but surely a Pineview type setup would be a good intermediate step ?12:36
arfollslaine, no GDL on pineview so video playback wont work12:36
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arfollbut sure you can grab the devel:tv:1.2 repo and add that to a meego pineview platform12:36
slaineI'll guess I'll have to make my own from MeeGo Core12:36
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arfollslaine, if you want media playback on pineview go grab xbmc from home:arfoll:xbmc on c.obs12:37
slainearfoll: looking at doing my own thing12:37
slaine!xbmc12:38
arfollkk, well in that case just don't use GDL and all is good ;-)12:38
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slaineAlso, not really used obs yet12:39
arfollehehe crash course time12:39
arfollis this IBI?12:40
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slaineno, my port of the EFL based UI I have running on Fedora.12:41
arfolloh enna?12:41
slaineInitial step is to get that up and running MeeGo12:41
slaineNo, my own thin12:41
slaineg12:41
arfollkk, cool is that FOSS?12:41
slaineNo, work related12:41
arfoll:-(12:41
slainenod12:41
arfolltoo bad12:41
arfollmost the EFL libs are allready ported12:41
slaineI'm going to do a QML port in my spare time, which will be OSS12:41
slaineFirst step is get a MeeGo instance running of what's there12:42
arfolli ported efl for enna in home:arfoll:enna and captianigloo has updated pkgs12:42
slainecan then pitch meego as a platform to my CTO12:42
arfollcool12:42
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slainearfoll: wow, enna's come a long way from when I last looked at it12:43
arfolldev seems to haev stalled though12:44
slaineyeah, dates from 2010 being the last update12:44
arfollmercurial repo shows little activity since i packaged it12:45
arfolli ported it on the plane rideback from dublin : http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=68712:45
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slainearfoll: yeah, I remember that. He was working on a new STB theme too iirc12:54
slainemust check out the site12:54
slaineI wrote my own one back in 2006/200712:54
slaineso it's pretty dated looking now12:54
arfollthere was an STB theme allready it crashed when loading, maybe its fixed12:54
* slaine shrugs12:54
arfollgstreamer playback was quite poor so I gave up, although libplayer has had a bit more dev recently12:55
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M4rtinK2X-Fade: should the Harmattan COBS target behave in the same way as the scratchbox based harmattan SDK ?14:06
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M4rtinK2because I just build Gobject-Introspection withou any issues in scratchbox but it cant resolve/find Glib in COBS according to the log14:07
M4rtinK2log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gobject-introspection&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard14:07
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slaineI'm wanting to setup my own internal OBS at work, anyone have the Wiki page details on how to do that ?14:40
slaineStskeeps: this falls in line with the non-SSSE builds14:40
Stskeepsdominiq made a nice page14:42
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Stskeepsopensuse private instance14:43
Stskeepsgoogle for it14:43
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slaineThis one I think, http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance14:45
Stskeepsyes14:50
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slainewow, you really need some beefy kit14:58
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slainehmm, just had a poke around and my core2duo desktop is better than any of the servers I've got spare16:29
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lcukafternoon folks \o17:33
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gabrbeddmornin, lcuk!17:40
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lcukhi berndhs gabrbedd17:45
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lcukI gater moslo is still pending for n950 use17:46
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timophlcuk: I guess. Otherwise I'd be running CE on n950 now :)18:04
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lcukme too, happily have it on my n900 and tested fix for 20099 with it18:05
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timophoh. you got it fixed?18:06
lcuktimoph, on my cobs I downloaded the packages and spec18:06
lcukand then updated the source files, updated the package version, built, tested and confirmed it working18:06
lcukbug 20099 latest comment18:07
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, geoff, ASSI, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." .18:07
w00t_lcuk: assuming this is a meego-specific package, merge request on gitorious18:08
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berndhslcuk: I tried it on tablet, seems to work ok18:09
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timophlcuk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-calculator18:09
lcukberndhs, it effected tablet-ux build of n900-ce but not general tablet ux18:09
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berndhsyes that would explain it18:09
lcukthat was why I did not go the gitorious route18:10
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lcukw00t_, saesu - would it work on symbian too?18:14
w00t_yup, the only part that would need figuring out would be zeroconf18:15
w00t_(which it can do, I just don't know how)18:16
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csdbhi, in obs %{meego_version} is defined as 1.2 while all the other distros seem to only use integer numbers for versions. With integers, you can use the version definition in logical constructs but that doesn't work with a '1.2' definition19:11
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csdbI found out because I tried to add meego to this specfile test: %if 0%{?fedora_version} || 0%{?mandriva_version}19:11
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csdbby changing it to: %if 0%{?fedora_version} || 0%{?mandriva_version} || 0%{?meego_version}19:12
csdbbut that fails because meego_version is not an int. I looked around and saw lots of usage of the _version field in %if tests for other distros (e.g. %if 0%{?suse_version} >= 1030)19:12
berndhsthat's right19:13
csdbwouldn't it be beneficial to switch meego_version to an int ?19:13
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berndhsprobably19:15
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berndhscsdb: you're better off making the spec as distro independent as you can of course, using pkconfig() to find package names for example19:20
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csdbberndhs, agree. But I'm modifying an existing specfile so I'd rather keep my mods to the minimum possible19:22
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berndhsthe version=1.2 issue has been know for about a year and a half, chances that they go to integer versions are slim19:23
Stskeepssounds plausiblle for 1.3 though19:23
berndhsthere is also %{vendor} or %{_vendor} (or both)19:23
csdbI just tried %{?meego_version:1} which I'm guessing means pick up the first char of meego_version and it seems to have worked on the test above19:24
csdbI guess as long as meego_version doesn't start with '0'19:24
berndhsbasically you want to know if its defined at all, right ?19:25
csdbyup. This did the trick: %if 0%{?fedora_version} || 0%{?mandriva_version} || 0%{?meego_version:1}19:25
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csdbStskeeps, hi19:26
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Stskeepslo csdb, good to see you again19:28
berndhscsdb: does that work if its not meego ?19:29
csdbStskeeps, been out on other projs for a while19:30
csdbberndhs, seems to. It still builds ok against my opensuse repos which I'd expect to fail if it didn't19:30
berndhsgood, that's what I was wondering19:31
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slaineDawnFoster: welcome back, again19:43
DawnFosterslaine: thanks! Still trying to dig out of a week's worth of piled up work :)19:43
lbtwb DawnFoster ....  :)19:43
slaineFriday's probably the Best day to come back from a vacation19:44
timoph:)19:44
DawnFosterI'm liking the idea of a 1 day work week and then a weekend :)19:45
DawnFosterseems like a good way to ease back in after vacatin19:45
slainedefo19:45
lbtseems like a good way to work - full stop19:46
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javispedroX-Fade: do you think it might be possible that OBS is calling debian/rules with -j / number of jobs set to something higher than 1?19:55
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lcuklbt, I am reading the postings you have made recently :)21:28
lcukhttp://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructure-meego-by-installments.html21:29
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rradidoes anyone know how to get two packages into the meego repo?21:33
lcukrradi, which repository21:34
rradispecifically  fuseiso  http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuseiso as well as xorriso http://scdbackup.webframe.org/xorriso_eng.html21:34
rradimain repo for netbooks21:34
rradiboth have GPL2 licenses21:34
berndhsrradi: does it have to be in the main repo ? or can you put it in a private repo on repo.pub.meego.com ?21:35
rradiim absolutely new to this (really sorry), so i dont know what are the advantages/disadvantages of main vs private, and i dont know what it takes to create a private repo21:35
berndhsadvantage of private is that you do it yourself, so you don't have to wait for anyone21:36
berndhsits still available to the world if they want it21:36
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El_Angeloanyone can help me with problems with connman on another distro?21:37
rradibut then for people to use my application (which needs these packages, which i will put in my private repo)., they have to manually add the repo into their system, right? and that could be painful for users21:37
rradior could i create within my installer a script that would add the repo silently and transparently?21:38
berndhsthe users may have to get your application out of your private repo too21:38
gabrbeddrradi: I'm sure that getting it into the main MeeGo repos will be a hard task.  For example... who is going to be mounting on a MeeGo TV set-top box, in a MeeGo-powered car, or on a MeeGo handset?21:38
lbtah ... hey rradi21:39
gabrbedds/mounting/mounting an iso image with fuse/21:39
infobotgabrbedd meant: rradi: I'm sure that getting it into the main MeeGo repos will be a hard task.  For example... who is going to be mounting an iso image with fuse on a MeeGo TV set-top box, in a MeeGo-powered car, or on a MeeGo handset?21:39
gabrbeddrradi: However, to get it in you'll need to file a bug at bugs.meego.com.  You'll need to convince someone that this is important to MeeGo.21:39
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rradigabrbedd: yes i see your point, thats why i thought we could get it on at least main "netbook" repo only, or there is no seperation?21:40
gabrbeddrradi: So, creating a private repo using the community OBS or even on your own web server will probably be the easiest way to accomplish it.21:40
berndhsbest is probably to do it both ways, file a bug+request, and do it yourself so you know the whole thing works properly21:40
gabrbeddrradi: No, there is no separation.  And the "netbook" version of MeeGo is /not/ considered a priority by the MeeGo leaders.21:41
rradiok, is there documentation on how to create a private repo using the community obs?21:42
gabrbeddrradi: meanwhile, adding it means that the MeeGo project will need to support it... so there needs to be a clear benefit to offset this cost.21:42
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ali1234oh look, bug 14307 was closed for a stupid reason yet again21:43
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, REOP, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep21:43
rradiyes, i understood now, thanks for explaining that...indeed then, it seems impossible without private repo21:43
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gabrbeddrradi: In a nutshell... once you get an obs account... you automatically get a private repo.21:43
gabrbeddrradi: after you add a package to your project and build it, the results will be put into your own private repository.21:43
rradiaha...thnks...again sorry for my ignorance...this helps21:44
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gabrbeddrradi: search the wiki for instructions on getting a c.OBS account (if you haven't already).  I'm sure it's there somewhere.21:44
gabrbeddrradi: no problem!  best of luck to you!21:44
rradiok, will do..thanks may need to ping you again if i fall into any problems. hope you are ok with that :$21:45
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gabrbeddrradi: i don't use c.OBS much -- so I won't be a good resource.  Someone will be here, though. :-)21:46
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lbtrradi: so yes, the first thing to do is get it published on the community OBS21:49
lbtget a meego.com account, ask me/X-fade to enable it and then upload it21:50
lbteventually there will be options to go to a master 'apps' repo or a more general 'community distro' type repo21:50
lbtlcuk: good - you like?21:52
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lcuklbt, yes21:59
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lcuksensible outlines of things21:59
lcukas usual from yourself21:59
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lcuki notice on harmattan there is an eventsview22:01
lcukif a similar events view were made as a panel for tablet ux22:01
lcukand used the same dbus api22:02
lcukthen it would allow apps written to be compatible over perhaps n9x0-ce?22:02
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lcukgabrbedd, I made my first set of .spec files this week!22:05
CosmoHillyay22:06
gabrbeddlcuk: wow!  You've been living in DEB land for /that/ long?22:06
gabrbeddlcuk: whaddayathink?22:06
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lcukgabrbedd, it was not the .spec more the obs learning curve22:10
lcukI was still happy with "make; sudo make install"22:10
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gabrbeddlcuk: yeah, for development I use PREFIX as a sort of package manager.22:14
gabrbeddlcuk: Install with $ ./configure --prefix=$HOME/prefix-appname && make && make install22:15
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gabrbeddlcuk: Uninstall with $ rm -rf ~/prefix-appname22:15
gabrbedd:-)22:15
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lcukheh22:16
ali1234so has everyone read that vision mobile report?22:16
gabrbeddali1234: no... link?22:18
ali1234http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/07/the-open-governance-index-measuring-openness-from-android-to-webkit/22:19
ali1234meego ranks higher than Qt22:19
ali1234which made me lol22:19
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ali1234(the full pdf with their metrics is free as well)22:21
gabrbeddYeah, I think they got that part wrong.  But it's a start,22:22
gabrbeddOf something.22:22
gabrbeddI guess.22:22
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ali1234if you take their ranking to mean "this is how open the project WANTS to be" then it's correct22:23
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lcukgabrbedd, how do I install the indamixx apps on meego22:42
gabrbeddlcuk: Honestly, you can't. They're stored in a private repo.22:46
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gabrbeddsorry. :-(22:46
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lcukgabrbedd, that is understandable22:48
* lcuk was just wanting to make some music on ideapad22:48
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gabrbeddlcuk: about 90% of what we were doing was OSS apps, though.  The only hard part for those was porting the deps.22:49
gabrbeddlcuk: you running tablet build?  or netbook?22:49
lcukgabrbedd, of course - that is the normal way22:49
lcuknetbook still, when tablet came out I had lots of data on it already22:49
lcukit has become the house computer running liqbase most of the time22:50
gabrbeddlcuk: Well, I was going to recommend you try Yoshimi (a virtual synth)... but the FLTK menus don't work with the netbook WM.22:50
gabrbeddlcuk: also, Ivory (a virtual midi controller) is my own project, so I could share the code with you.  (I haven't released it publicly, yet.)22:52
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lcukgabrbedd, oo that sounds cool, if you have already published it it would be good to try22:57
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gabrbeddlcuk: only problem... it's no phun without a synth. :-)22:58
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lcukgabrbedd, bah!22:58
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lcukgabrbedd, I might have a go at making a multitouch instrument22:59
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* lcuk rarely considers music on computers22:59
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gabrbeddlcuk: Well, Yoshimi is a really sharp instrument.  So Ivory + Yoshimi is killer, IMHO.23:00
gabrbedd(Ivory is MT)23:00
gabrbeddlcuk: On the tablet... yoshimi works OK.  Just not the netbook.23:01
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lcukgabrbedd, cool, next time I have tablet ux up I will give you a prod23:04
timophevening23:04
lcukhiya timoph \o23:04
lcukenjoying your friday?23:04
timopho/23:04
timophI am23:05
lcukare you at ASM?23:05
timophno23:05
timophI'm thinking of going tomorrow23:05
timophbeen coding a game the whole evening..23:05
lcuk:D23:05
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lcuktimoph, what kind of game?23:06
timophaccelerometer controlled cycling game :)23:06
lcuk:D23:07
lcukI am going for a real bike ride on Sunday!23:07
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lcukaround manchester they have a route set aside for cycling only for the day23:07
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timophbasic idea: driving home after a night at the local bar23:08
lcukaccording to my mum who did it a couple of years ago, its an awesome sensation23:08
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lcuktimoph, lol23:08
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lbt"4. Community: a community structure that does not discriminate between developers" ... uh huh23:08
timophtrying to steer away from cows and whatever roadblocks23:08
lcuktimoph, lol23:09
lcukhave winter levels too23:09
timoph:)23:09
lcukwhere the controls are more slippery on the ice23:09
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timophno. that's the sequel or winter edition :)23:09
lcuktimoph, I guess this is qgv? or is it in qml23:09
timophqml + qt c++23:10
lcukneat23:10
gabrbeddlcuk: seen this? http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/meego-conference-2011-sights-and-sounds-video/23:10
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timophlbt: where's that quote from?23:11
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lcukgabrbedd, no!!23:14
* lcuk eats a chicken legend whilst watching video23:15
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lcukhm not playing here23:18
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gabrbeddlcuk: the video works for me (if that's any help)23:23
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lcukgabrbedd, hm viddler won't start playing here23:25
lcukI will try it again shortly, gotta go feed the baby23:25
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gabrbeddg'night, timoph!23:40
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