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| berndhs | hmm virtual keyboard appears automatically, smooth | 00:02 |
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| berndhs | and then I don't know how to close it :) | 00:02 |
| djszapi_ | easy, click out of it | 00:03 |
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| berndhs | nope | 00:03 |
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| djszapi_ | report a bug ? | 00:04 |
| berndhs | perhaps, I'll play with it for a while first | 00:04 |
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| berndhs | it goes away when switching out the application and back into it | 00:05 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: Drag from the top of the VKB widget all the way down. | 00:10 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Needs to be a smooth, but brisk motion. | 00:11 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: if you're too slow, it'll ignore you. | 00:11 |
| berndhs | hmm | 00:11 |
| berndhs | ah yes that works | 00:12 |
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| rncbc | hi all | 00:55 |
| rncbc | anyone knows how to remove folder from favorites on the n950 mail client app? | 00:57 |
| thiago | select a folder, tap the folder selection icon on the bottom left, scroll to the folder and un-star the folder | 00:59 |
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| rncbc | thiago: i fail to find the "folder selection icon" :( ... after selecting a folder there are only these icons, from left to right: "<-", "+", "yin-yan-arrows for refresh" and "3-horizontal lines" | 01:04 |
| thiago | it should be second icon, between <- and + | 01:05 |
| thiago | unless they changed since I last had access to a Harmattan build | 01:05 |
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| rncbc | thiago: so theres none between <- and + | 01:06 |
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| rncbc | thiago: thanks anyway | 01:07 |
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| M4rtinK2 | hi :) | 01:14 |
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| M4rtinK2 | is there some documentation to the harmattan and fremantle targets on the community OBS ? | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | M4rtinK2, the harmattan build systems are being routed and plumbed in as we speak | 01:23 |
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| M4rtinK2 | lcuk: nice ! so I'll just wait a little bit :) | 01:29 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I'll have to port quite a few packages for my projects (espeak,cairo, etc.) and I would really like to do it "properly" through OBS from the start without fiddling with the SDK too much :) | 01:31 |
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| berndhs | making a triple boot system, wish me luck :) | 01:53 |
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| Cosmo[PB] | berndhs: what did you do to the router this time? | 01:55 |
| Cosmo[PB] | and why am I covered in peanut butter | 01:55 |
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| TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKyryIUK1Ao <-- the new orbiter prototype coming up for the very first time on the n950 | 02:32 |
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| CosmoHill | 2 views, woot | 02:34 |
| berndhs | you're pressing too hard, gonna break the thing | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | that's what she said | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, it's actually a case of me not used to a capacitive screen | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | or he...one of them | 02:35 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, nice. QML Orbiter on N950 | 03:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup it's a start | 03:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | we're slowly building a bridge between Qt and the STL code | 03:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | and then we can actually start doing UI | 03:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | and no, the final UI will be completely different | 03:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | we seriously want to go WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX | 03:33 |
| vgrade | lets hope Aegis will allow it | 03:34 |
| vgrade | nighrt | 03:34 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know of a VM that can emulate a Core2 (or Atom) from a Core Duo? | 03:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: Aegis? | 03:41 |
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| MohammadAG | Security framework | 03:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | how the hell can I test Aegis appeasement ahead of time? | 03:43 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: also, I've been deploying my app out of QtCreator, which is making an aegis okay package, so I think I'm okay for now | 03:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | I didn't relax the exec privileges | 03:48 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:44 |
| berndhs | howdy | 04:44 |
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| wmarone | wow, looks like aegis is proving to be as end-user hostile as I expected | 05:25 |
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| MaxwellsDemon | could someone direct me at which meego download would be most appropriate for an asus eee slate tablet? (i5 cpu) | 07:36 |
| MaxwellsDemon | should i be looking oaktrail or pinetrail? | 07:36 |
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| MaxwellsDemon | wait, those are intel cpu codenames arent they? | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | right | 07:37 |
| MaxwellsDemon | so pinetrail it is | 07:37 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hi! How do I take a screenshot on a MeeGo tablet? | 08:21 |
| _|Nix|_ | K, nm ... found gimp ... | 08:22 |
| Bostik | you can install gstreamer-tools and use gst-launch for that - the command is: gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png | 08:26 |
| Bostik | gimp is rather.. heavy for a screengrab tool | 08:26 |
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| meivi | =L | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 09:40 |
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| meivi | gstreamer bad is being bad to me | 09:46 |
| meivi | did they just update something? | 09:48 |
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| meivi | question, how do i update gstreamer? | 09:54 |
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| mcfrisk | Good morning | 10:28 |
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| mcfrisk | another question to start the day: what creates these nice reports at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0.90/latest/builddata/reports/ | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure, maybe it's on meego.gitorious | 10:29 |
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| MSM1 | Im sure cupcakes will help http://i.imgur.com/sPnMZ.png | 10:31 |
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| wazd | hi all | 10:52 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, good work on twimgo - i'm getting dpkg -i failures though | 11:47 |
| vgrade | arfoll, if your using the OBS version there are dependency issues | 11:48 |
| vgrade | sec while I link a working (for other people) version | 11:48 |
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| vgrade | http://t.co/fWbbrue | 11:49 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, ok cheers | 11:49 |
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| bkalinga | is there any way to get rid of tablet's time out lock screen or increase the time out? | 11:50 |
| arfoll | vgrade, maybe i'm being stupid but i get this : | 11:52 |
| arfoll | http://pastebin.com/9gUmAviG | 11:52 |
| vgrade | try browsing to that link on the device | 11:54 |
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| vgrade | lbt, X-Fade, I've been having issues with builds freezing and packages not being published are you still working on the OBS upgrade? | 11:57 |
| arfoll | vgrade, looks more promising i got a click to confirm but app doesn't come up on home screen - how slow is it normally? | 11:57 |
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| lbt | there is still a publish problem - I don't have time to look at it until late tonight. | 11:58 |
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| vgrade | lbt no probs, | 12:00 |
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| kdlijian | so many devs here... | 12:02 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 12:02 |
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| timoph | bkalinga: disable the screen saver from settings->general | 12:07 |
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| bkalinga | timoph: dont see settings->general , im using MeeGo 1.2 tablet on QEMU | 12:09 |
| timoph | ah | 12:09 |
| timoph | I'm running 1.2.0.something | 12:10 |
| timoph | then I don't know | 12:10 |
| bkalinga | U see general near to which category? | 12:10 |
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| timoph | the setting thing has evolved quite a bit since 1.2 | 12:11 |
| bkalinga | ok .. i see all but general | 12:11 |
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| timoph | iirc there was no tablet release for 1.2 - I'd suggest trying some recent 1.2.0.90 build | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | there's a new alpha one actually | 12:13 |
| timoph | oh | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | check meego-releases@ | 12:13 |
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| odin_ | 28mins from touchdown, NASA TV | 12:29 |
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| RST38h | vasvlad: Hey, it has been definitely determined that OMWeather desktop applet does somethign unhealthy with file descriptors =) | 12:43 |
| RST38h | vasvlad: Remember that bug report where OMWeather prevented Media Player applet from starting playback? Still there. | 12:43 |
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| M4rtinK2 | Altantis touchdown :) | 12:59 |
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| rzr | hi can you suggest me some image to install to ideapad tablet ? | 13:20 |
| lcuk | rzr the tablet image is available | 13:24 |
| lcuk | but folks at the meego conf in Dublin had netbook build installed | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | it depends on what you want | 13:24 |
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| matrixx | anyone tried inserting coordinates to maps on N950? | 13:25 |
| matrixx | I havent' find any reliable format to insert the coordinates, so that they wouldn't be interpreted as an address or something else | 13:26 |
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| matrixx | maps on N8 I used to use, HHH MM.MMM N/S HHH MM.MMM E/W, and it always picks the result right | 13:28 |
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| matrixx | no the search is acting too smart for me >:( | 13:28 |
| matrixx | *now | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | matrixx, file a bug on the harmattan bug tracker | 13:44 |
| lcuk | alterego, would your gps app accept coordinates | 13:44 |
| lcuk | do you happen to know what format they should be entered in to help | 13:45 |
| alterego | Currently only floating point lat/lon values are supported. | 13:47 |
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| matrixx | lcuk: oh right, that's what I suspected, I'll file a bug | 13:51 |
| matrixx | just tried to insert floating point lat/long and got the "eternal spinner" | 13:53 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, any luck | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | ruskie, the video you just showed is indeed one of the nicest things seen for a while | 14:10 |
| ruskie | yeah | 14:10 |
| lcuk | it would be nice to use the swipe gesture to go between the panels | 14:10 |
| lcuk | <ruskie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKRtTOMbOsY <-- this actually looks interesting for the ux | 14:10 |
| ruskie | possibly | 14:10 |
| lcuk | (for completeness) | 14:10 |
| lcuk | ruskie, from prototype use it is feasible to consider | 14:10 |
| ruskie | for a tablet it would certainly be better | 14:11 |
| lcuk | whether or not the ux would run happily on n900 I am not so sure about | 14:11 |
| Hurrian | lcuk, pixel density, tiny text and all that | 14:11 |
| ruskie | well that ux more comes in line with the large screen tablets I think | 14:11 |
| Hurrian | the Intel Tablet UX though looks great on the N900 | 14:12 |
| lcuk | Hurrian, indeed it does | 14:12 |
| lcuk | but the intel panels and panning mechanism is a bit odd | 14:12 |
| lcuk | making the panels whole width and using swipe gesture would improve it greatly | 14:13 |
| Hurrian | yup | 14:13 |
| Hurrian | pages of panels | 14:13 |
| ruskie | true | 14:13 |
| lcuk | which just about makes it like that video shown | 14:13 |
| ruskie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9yBigBW6c <-- basically use something like this on the n900/handsets and the other one on tablets | 14:13 |
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| ruskie | though I kinda think that the other one could be usable on all with some work | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | we want more than usable! | 14:15 |
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| ruskie | well for shinny you need to come up with a better paradigm on managing things | 14:16 |
| Hurrian | what the f***? running on an Atom, and the gallery app is still not smooth | 14:16 |
| lcuk | ruskie, I have a paradigm | 14:16 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png | 14:16 |
| lcuk | that is the dashboard | 14:16 |
| lcuk | once you zoom into any of those | 14:16 |
| lcuk | you can swipe gesture pan between each of them | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | each is fullscreen | 14:17 |
| Hurrian | uh, a lot like Harmattan | 14:17 |
| ruskie | things that should be in the UX... a close button | 14:17 |
| lcuk | Hurrian, a long time before harmattan ;) | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | Hurrian, also harmattan has only 3 panels in swipe. I like being able to pan around all apps :) | 14:19 |
| ruskie | I should try to come up with a paradigm as well sometime | 14:19 |
| lcuk | close buttons are overrated if the apps are just there | 14:19 |
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| ruskie | I want to be able to quit any app I want without needing some elaborate hacks | 14:20 |
| ruskie | and there should probably be one paradigm for each screen ratio | 14:21 |
| lcuk | nahh it works in portrait too :P | 14:21 |
| ruskie | 16:10/9 could have most of the controls on left/right(user controlled) or top/bottom(if in portrait) | 14:21 |
| lcuk | ruskie, n950 camera has best | 14:22 |
| lcuk | the icons just rotate when you rotate device | 14:22 |
| lcuk | so they stay in same place | 14:22 |
| lcuk | but are usable whichever orientation | 14:22 |
| * lcuk tried to explain this years ago | 14:22 | |
| ruskie | while 4:3 would probably put more emphasis on corners | 14:22 |
| timoph | lcuk: yeah. that really is a good design. /me likes | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | timoph, ruskie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 14:24 |
| ruskie | that might be a bit of an overkill | 14:25 |
| ruskie | but yeah icons should rotate | 14:26 |
| MohammadAG | didn't mozilla do that for macbooks? | 14:26 |
| ruskie | though for the most just standard 0, 90, 180, 270 would work | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | ruskie, the principle is right and yeah it is quite OTT since battern would not last doing that for everything | 14:27 |
| lcuk | that is how the camera app in n950 works | 14:27 |
| leinir | Hehe, i'd want to be able to turn such functionality off... nothing more annoying than laying in bed and be forced to lie on your back to be able to see things without turning them on the side ;) | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7-PT5mrqZ0 | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, ^ | 14:27 |
| lcuk | leinir, agreed | 14:27 |
| leinir | (no heuristic can fix that, mind, so simply need a manual lock for such things) | 14:27 |
| lcuk | haha MohammadAG :D | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | ls | 14:28 |
| lcuk | leinir, facial recognition and orientation based on you would work | 14:29 |
| ruskie | frankly my own concept would have active user settable corners(global and per/app) you could set that to have the app toolbar/wm toolbar always shown in some direction coming from some corner or even hidden unless you hit the corner and pull it out | 14:29 |
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| leinir | lcuk: hmm... yes, i guess that'd actually make sense :) Potentially a touch expensive to keep doing face tracking, but... yeah :) | 14:29 |
| berndhs | leinir: lcuk: and then you have 2 people looking at it... | 14:30 |
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| ruskie | and yeah the icons should rotate but in the fixed | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | side sensors might work slightly better (battery wise) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | berndhs, then a dialog box comes up "BUY ANOTHER NOKIA DEVICE" | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | you hold the device differently when you're in bed for example | 14:31 |
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| MohammadAG | if the 4 sides of the device are sensitive, you can detect that easily | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | how much are N8s nowadays? | 14:31 |
| leinir | berndhs: you can measure whose face is most in view, and focus on orientation of that ;) | 14:31 |
| lcuk | I think I have to get tracy a pink one | 14:31 |
| berndhs | leinir: or you mark the owner with an RFID | 14:32 |
| leinir | lcuk: around 300 or so :) | 14:32 |
| leinir | berndhs: *nods* everybody should just run about with a 2D barcode on their forehead ;) | 14:32 |
| leinir | (gbp, of course) | 14:32 |
| ruskie | berndhs, that wouldn't be such a bad idea security-wise... as soon as device is far away from tag... lock it up | 14:32 |
| berndhs | sure it would simplify lots of things | 14:33 |
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| jonwil | hi all | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | hi jonwil | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you know the status of the n950-ce builds? | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on moslo side at the moment | 16:02 |
| lcuk | as in, can they be flashed | 16:02 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Have you been bugged enough today? :) | 16:02 |
| lcuk | is that work on the public obs? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: can't be for various reasons | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | that is a shame | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, are the n950 images on the repository.maemo.org site not bootable then? | 16:09 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.8.20110715.2.DE.2011-07-18.2/images/ | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | or is the bootable part the moslo thing? | 16:10 |
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| Damion3 | when you say n950 images... | 16:10 |
| Damion3 | oh sorry, one of them does have n950! | 16:10 |
| Myrtti | oh man | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, \o | 16:13 |
| * Myrtti grabs a pint and cries softly on lcuk's shoulder | 16:13 | |
| lcuk | wassup Myrtti ? | 16:13 |
| Myrtti | life | 16:13 |
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| vgrade | fiferboy, lbt is busy today. He said he may get chance to look at the repo publising bug late tonight | 16:17 |
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| fiferboy | vgrade: Cool, thanks | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | I figured he would be busy | 16:17 |
| vgrade | lbt, if you need anyone to test things there are a number of us willing to help | 16:17 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, vgrade - is there anything we can do to try diagnose problem | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | to help simplify it for david | 16:18 |
| lcuk | ie, do we know if publishing does not work for anyone | 16:18 |
| lcuk | or specific project type etc | 16:18 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I have heard that it is not just Harmattan repos that are not publishing, but I haven't experienced that | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i have a repo that isn't | 16:19 |
| fiferboy | I rebuilt my project for Harmattan and MeeGo and only the Harmattan refused to publish for me | 16:19 |
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| vgrade | its both MeeGo trunk and HArmatttan | 16:19 |
| vgrade | for me | 16:20 |
| vgrade | there have also been stuck builds reported with rc timout messages reported | 16:20 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, it looks like my MeeGo packages didn't complain about publishing but the packages in the repo haven't been refreshed (could be build versions didn't change though) | 16:20 |
| berndhs | I tried 2 packages, they both say they have published but haven't | 16:21 |
| lcuk | ok, to try and follow the flow here | 16:21 |
| vgrade | yes, I get all the signs from the GUI that things have completed fine and the new versions are referenced from the GUI just not copied to the repo | 16:22 |
| lcuk | can we try to walk one project | 16:22 |
| lcuk | including links to the project pages and where they would expect to be published to | 16:22 |
| lcuk | so that at a glance we could run through the link pages and say "this is here, this is here, this is not here but expected to be" | 16:23 |
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| berndhs | let me get the links | 16:23 |
| lcuk | thanks | 16:23 |
| berndhs | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=instalateur&project=home%3Aearthling%3Adeploy&repository=meego_current_Core | 16:24 |
| berndhs | there it says it has version 0.1.4.6-1.5 in the repo | 16:24 |
| arfoll | all my repos haven't been publishing for a few days now :-(, not just harmattan | 16:24 |
| berndhs | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/earthling:/deploy/meego_current_Core/i586/ | 16:24 |
| berndhs | that's the repo, which still has the previous version only | 16:24 |
| arfoll | you can download updated versions through the api using osc or using the webinterface | 16:24 |
| vgrade | http://pastebin.com/2QA29u3g | 16:28 |
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| vgrade | qgil hi | 16:29 |
| qgil | hi vgrade | 16:29 |
| thiago | qgil: morning | 16:29 |
| qgil | hi there thiago - glad to follow you in G+ ;) | 16:30 |
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| * thiago already spends far too much time on it | 16:31 | |
| Stskeeps | is it more addictive than IRC? | 16:31 |
| Damion3 | people like G+ yeah? | 16:31 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: IRC is work for me | 16:31 |
| thiago | the only time I'm not online is when the computer is suspended | 16:31 |
| qgil | btw any Chess lovers willing to practice some Qt & Quick skills for a MeeGo mobile app focusing on handset? | 16:31 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: can't find you there... want me to invite you? | 16:32 |
| vgrade | qgil, there has been much talk on #harmattan about where all the new exiting N950 apps should be pushed to, have you been following? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: i'm still contemplating if i want to join, i have a couple of invites | 16:33 |
| qgil | oh, I wasn't aware of a #harmattan channel vgrade - anyway, the place to discuss this is http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3671 | 16:33 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: ok, then you have one more now | 16:34 |
| w00t | wb, qgil | 16:35 |
| w00t | good holidays i hope :) | 16:35 |
| qgil | w00t: it was a week in Zeeland playing with the kids, the tide and the rain - connecting only to check the weather updates ;) | 16:36 |
| w00t | :) | 16:36 |
| w00t | always good | 16:36 |
| lbt | fiferboy: vgrade ... it's not testing... there is just something wrong with the OBS rsync setup | 16:36 |
| gabrbedd | hi, all! | 16:37 |
| lbt | it isn't well documented and we hacked it to make it work for us last year ... when we upgraded something broke | 16:37 |
| Damion3 | I probably have unlimited invites | 16:37 |
| vgrade | lbt, thanks for the update | 16:38 |
| lbt | but it appears I am behind... X-Fade fixed it .... cheers Niels! | 16:38 |
| * lbt thinkgs meego.com and maemo.org would collapse without X-Fade | 16:38 | |
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| vgrade | X-Fade, lbt, what do we need to do now. Trigger rebuilds? | 16:39 |
| qgil | lbt: precisely these days I was thinking that X-Fade and Soumya are the two most unsung heroes I have the pleasure to work with | 16:40 |
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| fiferboy | lbt, X-Fade: My repo is publishing now, thanks! | 16:41 |
| arfoll | osc rebuild --all FTW | 16:41 |
| lbt | qgil: absolutely | 16:41 |
| lcuk | ++ qgil | 16:41 |
| lbt | hey gabrbedd | 16:41 |
| * lbt needs more "met in RL in SF" flags | 16:42 | |
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| * Myrtti gives lbt a few stickerbooks | 16:43 | |
| Myrtti | no, wait | 16:43 |
| Myrtti | we're emptying mums house and I found a huge bag of floppy disc stickers. You can use them ^____^ | 16:43 |
| * Myrtti gives to lbt. | 16:44 | |
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| * lbt starts sticking them to the irc log | 16:44 | |
| Myrtti | classic | 16:44 |
| lbt | Myrtti: got any scrolly ones? | 16:44 |
| lcuk | lbt, most irc clients have keyword highlight, use it to include nicknames of people | 16:46 |
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| gabrbedd | lbt: \o. | 16:47 |
| * lbt wants a little mouseover with photos and notes.... | 16:47 | |
| lcuk | mouse over? :P | 16:47 |
| lcuk | you mean finger press :P | 16:47 |
| lbt | :P | 16:47 |
| * lbt means gaze-driven | 16:47 | |
| lcuk | hah | 16:48 |
| lbt | with subliminal "W(ho)TF" triggering | 16:48 |
| lbt | anyhow ... I shouldn't be chatting ... too much to do,,, | 16:49 |
| lbt | l8r | 16:49 |
| lcuk | \o | 16:49 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: lbt: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/07/jamming-with-free-code-another-webcam-ableton-live-face-tracking-performance-with-faceosc/ | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | haha gabrbedd | 17:01 |
| lcuk | that is awesome | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, the facial tracking is very nice | 17:04 |
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| rcg | ping lbt X-Fade | 17:24 |
| lcuk | rcg, please say what you want them for, they are extremely busy wrangling obs at the moment | 17:26 |
| rcg | lcuk: oh right.. thanks | 17:27 |
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| rcg | ^ i'd like to apply for an build.pub.meego.com account | 17:28 |
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| rcg | my meego.com account is "wonko" | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | rcg, cool - now, what do you plan on doing with your account | 17:30 |
| lcuk | and you have read http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder I gather since you are here asking | 17:31 |
| rcg | lcuk: thanks :) | 17:32 |
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| rcg | basically i am porting some of my Fremantle stuff to Harmattan + i am currently developing a new application for securely storing passwords and the like for Harmattan | 17:33 |
| thiago | rcg: Harmattan has a secure storage. See aegis. | 17:33 |
| rcg | my old applications are e.g.: vumeter, stultitiasimplex, Zeecontrol see: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Wonko | 17:34 |
| rcg | thiago: yeah, my application also uses aegis.. though (either because i didn't get the concept right or am paranoid) i encrypt the data stored in the aegis store once more using a user supplied secret | 17:35 |
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| rcg | thiago: according to http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/aegis-crypto/classaegis_1_1storage.html#a5d610890dd3c5a845e73e517cec058b5 you need a resource token to access the aegis storage vfs.. this token must be owned by the application.. currently the only thing i managed to get this "token" was to request an application via the aegis manifest and then use the application id to authenticate with the storage | 17:39 |
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| rcg | in my point of view, having the storage only "secured" by something such as the application id is kinda suboptimal.. hence, the additional layer of encryption via a user supplied secret (password) using http://delta.affinix.com/docs/qca/index.html | 17:40 |
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| rcg | btw. of course all my applications are open source ;) | 17:46 |
| tomeu | rcg: are you using gnome-keyring-daemon? I think it's part of meego core | 17:47 |
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| rcg | tomeu: no, just some password entered by the user and then use symmetric encription.. but thanks for the pointer | 17:48 |
| rcg | *encryption | 17:48 |
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| tomeu | I have no idea how it relates with aegis, though | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | rcg: NFC may add shiny | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Depending on how easy to use and open the NFC stuff is | 17:49 |
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| rcg | SpeedEvil: for authentication? | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:50 |
| rcg | hmm.. sounds cool indeed | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - tap phone to a ring or something with an ID | 17:51 |
| rcg | though, i dunno how complex that stuff will be ;) | 17:51 |
| rcg | yeah | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mynfcbusinesscard.com/ your private security dongle | 17:52 |
| rcg | currently i am still working on getting the basics working ;) | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally you'd want a ring that lost key when you removed it | 17:53 |
| rcg | so far one can store, edit, view, and delete entries.. the encryption stuff also works.. though i'd have to double check this once more to see if there are possible flaws in there | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: usually you use the dongle for storing the passphrase to a key stored on the phone. So you are free to reconfigure that key to have a different passphrase any time (given you have the master key :-D ) | 17:55 |
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| rcg | DocScrutinizer: thanks for that link | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 17:59 |
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| lbt | rcg: did you ping me? | 18:05 |
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| rcg | lbt: yes | 18:08 |
| * Myrtti points in backlog | 18:08 | |
| DawnFoster | lbt: are we having any mailing list issues? | 18:08 |
| lbt | Myrtti, rcg I rebooted - missed backlog | 18:08 |
| rcg | i'd like to apply for an build.pub.meego.com account... my meego.com account is "wonko" | 18:08 |
| Myrtti | aw | 18:09 |
| Myrtti | so I see | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I'm subscribed to all of them (except commits) and only got 6 messages | 18:09 |
| rcg | basically i am porting some of my Fremantle stuff to Harmattan + i am currently developing a new application for securely storing passwords and the like for Harmattan | 18:09 |
| rcg | my old applications are e.g.: vumeter, stultitiasimplex, Zeecontrol see: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Wonko | 18:09 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: maybe everyone is on holiday, but that's highly unusual | 18:09 |
| lbt | rcg: sure | 18:09 |
| lbt | done | 18:09 |
| lbt | have fun | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: something's shady with archives on lists.meego.com at least, meego-commits doesn't have anything since 16th | 18:09 |
| rcg | lbt: great, thanks :) | 18:09 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: that's not good | 18:10 |
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| DawnFoster | must have been some issues with the migration | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | but meego-dev has from 20th | 18:10 |
| * lbt wasn't involved. | 18:10 | |
| Stskeeps | (and latest, i think) | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: can you escalate to the rest of the IT team and investigage | 18:10 |
| lbt | OK | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i can't recall, did i give you irc stats for this month or not? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | er, for june | 18:11 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: oooh, good point. I don't think so | 18:12 |
| DawnFoster | and I'm working on those today | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that goes on my todo then | 18:12 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, my 'now' todo then.. | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:12 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: I'm getting commit messages | 18:13 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: but they aren't being archived http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-July/thread.html | 18:13 |
| lbt | OK .. so just checking lists vs web-archive :) | 18:14 |
| lbt | yep ... mails in handet, packaging, releases, kernel, qa, ivi since yesterday | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.jun.html | 18:16 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: Niels and mike are looking at it | 18:16 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps / lbt: Thanks! | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | np | 18:18 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to reading about rdf | 18:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | hm, new meego product: http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/samsungs-ultralight-n100-delivers-atom-powered-meego-to-the-ind/ | 18:19 |
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| thiago | let's see... | 18:20 |
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| leinir | mmm, classic endadget comments as well... | 18:21 |
| leinir | ranging everywhere from stupid to just plain uninformed ;) | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | uninformed opinions on the internet? impossible! | 18:22 |
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| leinir | *giggles* :) | 18:24 |
| leinir | The comments on there are generally quite funny, even though they do have a nasty tendency to make me loose faith in humanity ;) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | try reading talk.maemo.org at times then | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:25 |
| leinir | *giggles* Oh, i know, they're everywhere :) | 18:26 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.britishairways.com/travel/inet/public/en_gb | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | select "title" | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, :D | 19:04 |
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| berndhs | they should allow combinations | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | they do | 19:05 |
| berndhs | Rear Admiral Prof Dr | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | scroll down further | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | that almost sounds like a youth-a-miz-ium | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | (phonetic spelling ftw) | 19:06 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: :-) | 19:06 |
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| albanc | stormer, I can setup a proxy in pacrunner with this python script: <http://pastebin.com/AScjrx2V> and then telepathy-gabble will attempt to use the specified proxy. But the config with the proxy is alive only while the python script is running (that is 10 seconds, there is a sleep(10))... pacrunner checks when the configurator leaves the bus and unregisters the config | 19:45 |
| albanc | stormer, do you know what is the intent of that? | 19:46 |
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| stormer | albanc: sorry for the delay | 19:57 |
| stormer | albanc: the runner is suppose to be setup by the network deamon, ConnMan or NetworkManager (the session isntance) | 19:58 |
| stormer | this way, the proxy is automatically disabled when you logout | 19:58 |
| stormer | I think the goal was to get rid of gnome proxy setting UI and merge this into network seettings UI | 19:59 |
| stormer | It's also possible for network manager or connman to setup system whide proxy, in which case the system deamon would push the settings, this one nevers quit I guess | 20:00 |
| albanc | stormer, you said the goal was to merge this into network panel... is it mentioned somewhere in some mailing list or spec? | 20:03 |
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| stormer | albanc: got that fro speaking to Hotsman on IRC | 20:04 |
| albanc | stormer, /usr/libexec/carrick-connection-panel always run... and it has a connection to the session bus & GConf... that may be the easier solution | 20:04 |
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| stormer | albanc: don't connman has a plugin mechanism ? e.g. NetworkManager | 20:05 |
| * stormer have no idea what is carrick-connection-panel | 20:05 | |
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| albanc | carrick-connection-panel is the panel displayed when I click on the network icon on the top right of the screen (the icon with the wifi in my case) | 20:06 |
| albanc | I can connect on a specific wifi network, enable/disable bluetooth, go offline from this panel | 20:06 |
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| albanc | I don't know about connman plugin mechanism | 20:07 |
| stormer | ah! so yes, it's most-likely a good place to setup PacRunner, it's much simpler, especially that for now I guess it's fine to limit this to session, and keep it connection independant | 20:07 |
| albanc | First step could be to listen to GConf changes (from gnome-control-panel) and push them to pacrunner | 20:08 |
| stormer | but maybe it would be nice for next version to suggest some "per-connection" proxy settings, I was thinking or some proxy profiles that you could auto-magically enable on certain network | 20:08 |
| albanc | that would be nice yes | 20:09 |
| stormer | that seems like a good idea | 20:09 |
| stormer | I think all this has been in so bad shape that making it work and enhancing it later is the best we can do | 20:09 |
| albanc | second step, if we add UI bits in carrick-connection-panel, we don't need the proxy config from gnome-control-panel anymore... but keeping the GConf storage is good, at least for chromium | 20:10 |
| stormer | albanc: right, unles they move to gnome 3 gsettings stuff, which is a little different (but not that much0 | 20:11 |
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| stormer | but in the future, we might want to simply patch chromium to use libproxy | 20:12 |
| stormer | this way we make our stuff storage independant, thus better in cross DE | 20:13 |
| albanc | yes | 20:14 |
| albanc | I heard rgs likes patching chromium | 20:14 |
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| albanc | rgs_, we were talking about proxies in MeeGo... gnome-control-center has UI to set the proxy, it stores it in GConf, and chromium reads the GConf settings directly. Other applications use libproxy. My patches attached on #10025 let glib-networking use libproxy correctly. | 20:17 |
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| albanc | rgs_, on MeeGo, it's not libproxy but something with the same API/ABI (pacrunner) and it does not read the GConf settings written by gnome-control-center, so it does not work | 20:18 |
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| albanc | rgs_, stormer and I were discussing about making the MeeGo network panel listen for GConf changes and push those changes into pacrunner, so proxies would work in every application using libproxy (e.g. telepathy-gabble) | 20:19 |
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| stormer | And Soup | 20:22 |
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| albanc | stormer, ohhh Soup for Facebook? | 20:25 |
| stormer | Yes, there a bug that says proxy does not work for Facebook plugin using Soup | 20:25 |
| albanc | so if applications using libproxy work, Facebook will magically work again :) | 20:25 |
| stormer | And stuff like HTTP live streaming, or any HTTP video in gstreamer uses soup | 20:26 |
| albanc | that would be good | 20:26 |
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| albanc | stormer, is there any open bug about HTTP live streaming with proxies? | 20:31 |
| lcuk | albanc, https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=http+proxy | 20:33 |
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| stormer | albanc: I don't think so, let's say HTTP streaming and gstreamer is not super ready yet | 20:44 |
| stormer | Also, HTTP streaming (video tags) in browsers use the browser HTTP stack as it sometimes requires cookies | 20:44 |
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| CosmoHill | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Reverse-Brute-Force.aspx | 20:56 |
| berndhs | ah but the replacement allows for unauthorized names, which the original doesn't :) | 20:57 |
| * CosmoHill points to line 15,321 default: echo $name; | 20:59 | |
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| berndhs | yes but that cleverly marks the unauthorized name as starting with lower case if the intruder doesn't know about this security scheme | 21:01 |
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| fiferboy | lbt, X-Fade: Looks like OBS publishing is on the fritz again? | 22:43 |
| berndhs | again or still ? | 22:44 |
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| fiferboy | berndhs: It was working earlier today | 22:44 |
| berndhs | maybe it was selective :) | 22:44 |
| * lbt still working ... l8r :) | 22:51 | |
| fiferboy | lbt: Thanks! | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | Just wanted to make sure you were aware :) | 22:51 |
| lbt | OK - FYI it only publishes when everything in a project finishes building | 22:52 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, all the builds went to "succeeded" but didn't publish | 22:52 |
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| berndhs | ah that explains something | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | off topic, do you use .net to develop for windows phone? | 23:56 |
| MeeGoExperts | STOP TALKING WINDOWS PHONE | 23:57 |
| MeeGoExperts | You have been warned before | 23:57 |
| MeeGoExperts | Lol | 23:57 |
| MeeGoExperts | I love shouting in Caps | 23:57 |
| Reffy | I thought objective c could be used too? | 23:58 |
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| Reffy | Oh | 23:59 |
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| Reffy | Maybe C# | 23:59 |
| rzr | mono :) | 23:59 |
| Reffy | Can't find much about it | 23:59 |
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