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berndhsI'll probably feel more optimistic if I eat something03:42
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sofarugh someone kicked off a world rebuild05:43
berndhswasn't me, at least that I know of :)05:46
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antman8969so has anyone dealt with the qt-components project at all?05:59
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GAN900antman8969, in the Qt SDK, not the Nokians.06:05
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antman8969lol I actually don't quite understand that statement. You've tried it using the SDK?06:07
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GAN900Yes.06:07
antman8969using the meego touch stuff as well?06:08
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GAN900I haven't delt with the adminstrative part of the project.06:08
antman8969ah06:08
antman8969thats fine06:08
GAN900No MeeGo touch.06:08
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antman8969I couldn't get it running on my system so I couldn't test anything. Does the plain qt-components part give off a "native" look and feel?06:09
antman8969across platforms06:10
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GAN900On Harmattan06:12
GAN900Not across platforms as far as I know.06:12
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antman8969But we are expected to use it when developing for harmattan, correct?06:12
antman8969what I'm getting at is... I feel like this QML interface implementation is going to cause a lot of cross platform problems for anyone who wants a native look and feel for their application06:13
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GAN900Yeah, well, Intel went and developed their shit behind the wall06:16
GAN900and Nokia closed their open shit to hide their UI developments.06:16
GAN900End point is devs being screwed.06:16
antman8969great!06:17
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antman8969on a lesser note, you said you played around with qt-components a bit. I"m assuming from the git repo?06:18
antman8969It's all using qtquick 1.1.... did you also download that from the 4.8 snapshot?06:18
antman8969just testing out the components is such a hassle06:18
berndhsdoes the qt-component stuff from git build on anything publicly available ?06:18
antman8969lol is it understood that is isnt? I have on idea, I couldn't get it to build on lucid....06:19
antman8969and there are a few bloggers with screen shots up so I'm not sure..06:19
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berndhsim sure the developers can build it, but i dont know what they use for hosts06:20
berndhsand i dont really trust bloggers :)06:20
antman8969lol06:20
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antman8969I had hoped to get it up and running so that I can experiment a little06:21
antman8969have everything ready long before n9 launches..06:21
antman8969if I indeed do need to code my ui in QML that is06:21
berndhsi try every couple weeks or so to build it, but both the git and my system keep changing06:21
berndhsthere are some issues even with the 4.7.2 stuff and gcc 4.6 I think06:22
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berndhsbut i cant isolate it enough for decent bug reports06:23
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antman8969what are you doing (in terms of UI) in the mean time?06:24
berndhsi use basic qml, make my own buttons06:24
berndhsi dont have earth shakingly complex guis, so its not a big deal06:24
berndhsbut i'm sure the purists will say i', doing it wrong :)06:25
antman8969I've done the same, but it clearly isn't native... uneasy about continueing development thinking that I'll have to replace all of my components06:25
berndhsoh yes, my stuff is purely my own brand, doesnt fit with anything06:26
antman8969lol06:26
berndhsbut I'm not going to make any money off it, so why should i make it look like Nokia wrote it06:27
berndhsor HTC or somebody else06:27
antman8969lol good point06:27
sofarscreenshot or it didn't happen ;)06:27
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berndhscant get mic to work  :(06:45
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berndhsalmost, 1 more minute06:58
berndhsah well, so I'll have bad dreams, so what07:08
berndhsgood night07:09
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iekkumorning08:40
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TheBootroofrom what i can read here http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html08:56
TheBootrooN950 software will be really buggy08:56
TheBootroomissing programs, missing icons, unfinished theme, drain battery problems, echo in calls, performance optimization not done yet08:57
TheBootrooso the question is : is there any updated  to come ?08:57
vvaltoneyou mean running MeeGo handset on it?08:59
TheBootroono09:00
vvaltoneor the trademark bastardized maemo?09:00
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TheBootrooi talk about official software that the N950 comes with09:00
vvaltoneyeah, ok, so maemo09:00
TheBootrooi talk about maemo6/meego bastard aka harmattan09:00
iekkuwhere was the list of the people, getting N950?09:00
TheBootrooiekku on the wiki09:00
TheBootrooi'm in09:00
iekkureally?09:01
iekkuTheBootroo, nice :D09:01
iekkui was trying to find the url, but got it already09:01
TheBootroohttp://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#Accepted09:01
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iekkuTheBootroo, thanks!09:08
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TheBootrooi started a blog about N950 and will  fill it as soon i'll have the device09:16
TheBootroohttp://mynokian950.blogspot.com/09:16
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flat`TheBootroo: nice09:19
TheBootrooflat`: not exactly yet, but it will come09:19
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TheBootroofirst post i'll write will likely be a "true or false" Q/A about the N950 (hard and soft), and a photo shot, then a first try of a custom app on the device09:23
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TermanaTheBootroo, your suppose to blog about the development process, not about the device09:24
TheBootrooTermana: both in facts09:24
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dm8tbrI'd reread the LLA/PLA before posting too much about the device, as it's not supposed to go on sale09:25
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TheBootrooso i will present the device and separate truth from bullshit, about n9 vs N950, harmattan vs meego, nokia and MS...09:25
TheBootrooand then i'll post dev info as soon i'm progressing09:26
TheBootroodm8tbr: will not go on sale09:26
TheBootroodm8tbr: but you have to post about your experience with the device09:26
dm8tbrTheBootroo: I'm just saying, there are rules you sign off to get the device, you better actually read and understand them.09:27
TheBootroodm8tbr: i know i already read them09:28
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TheBootrooi can't put the firmware on the web but i can/must blog about the device to make some ad for nokia harmattan09:28
TheBootroothat's the deal, they need to gain something when giving us the device for free09:29
TheBootrooso free ads on 100's of blog means epic win for them09:29
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TheBootrooi'm looking forward to others future N950 owners blogs09:29
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TheBootroodoes someone already received his ?09:30
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dm8tbrthose who already had an launchpad account09:30
TermanaTheBootroo, plenty of people have N950s at the moment, but only one person who went through the community device program09:31
TheBootroodm8tbr: i had and account since 29 jaunuray 200909:31
TheBootrooand don't have it yet09:31
TheBootrooTermana: ok09:31
TheBootrooTermana: other are beta tester from nokia internal ?09:31
dm8tbrTheBootroo: then you should get it soon, if you put the info on the wiki and replied to that email09:31
TheBootroolike Jaffa ..09:32
TheBootrooso one DevKit applier already received it ? could not be too long for us so....09:32
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TheBootrooTermana: do you have link to a blog post for that ?09:33
TermanaTheBootroo, Jaffa was testing the process for Quim (according to Quim)09:33
TermanaJaffa is the only one through the community device program that has one09:33
TheBootrooTermana: ah ok09:33
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TermanaOthers got them from a Nokia meetup in Helsinki (AFAIK)09:33
Termana(You can see that some people withdrew from the community device program because of this)09:34
TheBootrooTermana: one day i would like to go in finland for a nokia / qt event09:34
Stskeepsdont go in winter, friggen cold09:35
Stskeeps:P09:35
TermanaYou probably won't see any movement in the process until at least Tuesday.09:35
TheBootrooTermana: from photos it seems N950 is a bit thinner than N900 ? is it an optical illusion because of the N950 is larger so seems thinner ?09:35
TermanaStskeeps, :P09:35
TermanaTheBootroo, don't have a clue sorry.09:36
TheBootrooStskeeps: i love cold don't support warmth09:36
TheBootrooStskeeps: i stayed 1 year in POland09:36
TheBootrooand prefer the winter of poland to the summer in france09:36
TheBootrooi'm better at -20 than at 2009:36
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TheBootroo;-)09:36
* dm8tbr prefers finnish winter over polish winter09:36
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dm8tbrpolish winter is too wet09:37
TheBootroodm8tbr: yes09:37
TheBootroofinland is really dry?09:37
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TermanaGee, I like warmth. On the other hand, I would really like to go to the snow, since it (basically) doesn't snow here09:37
TheBootrooTermana: yeah snow is cool stuff, i've seen a lot in poland09:38
TheBootrooi'm planning to come living in Finland in 6 or 8 years09:39
TheBootroodo you recommand helsinki as a good home city ?09:39
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TermanaTheBootroo, if that's addressed to me (not sure) - I don't live in Finland :p I live in Australia09:41
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TheBootrooTermana: hum ok09:42
vvaltonedepends what you want to do here09:42
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vvaltoneI think the bulk of it jobs is in the Helsinki area09:43
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* dm8tbr prefers to live in Tampere09:50
dm8tbrthe benefits of a fairly large city without the rush and stress of a really large city09:50
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mcfriskTrying to setup an IMG server here using local obs and repos. Which distro and meego.com repo should I start with?09:57
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TheBootroofedora09:57
TheBootrooor opensuse09:58
TheBootroorpm based distro09:58
mcfriskwith MINT repo?09:58
TheBootroowhy MINT ?09:58
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mcfriskhttp://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/IMG seems out dated09:59
mcfriskand newer img packages are available from  http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/MINT:/RC09:59
mcfriskor are the MINT packages unstable/testing?10:00
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TheBootrooi don't know i dont use mint10:02
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mcfriskMINT repos were mentioned in http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation10:02
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lcukmorning \o10:33
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TheBootroolo10:35
TheBootroo\o10:35
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alteregog'moaning \o10:36
alteregolcuk: I'm staring at my inbox again ...10:37
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mcfriskany reason why img packages only available to opensuse 11.3 in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo:/MeeGo-Infra/10:38
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Venemogood morning10:42
Venemoalterego, no use, my inbox is still missing that Nokia letter10:42
alteregoHeh10:43
lcukalterego, lol10:43
Venemonow I'm afraid that I will just get a letter from Quim which says "Haha! April's fool!"10:44
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Venemobut it's not april, so...10:44
lcuknot at all Venemo, you have done the best you can on applications and your skills are very useful :)10:44
Venemothank you lcuk :)10:45
Venemolcuk, I wouldn't have been able to do all that without helpful and kind people like you :)10:45
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alteregoIt'll be nice to be able to have gcc on the N950 ..10:49
iekkui didn't get the device :(10:50
lcukalterego, it should work nicely on there10:50
Venemohm, new mail10:50
Venemobut not from Nokia :(10:50
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VenemoThought for the day: "Always be kind, for everyone is fighting a hard battle." - Plato10:51
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TheBootroohow can we track the avancement of the shiping process ? since devkit N950 is closed on both meego.com and dev.nokia  where can we have information of our applying status ?10:52
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alteregoTheBootroo: you should get email notifications10:54
alteregoLike the rest of us.10:54
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alteregoIf you don't hear anything, and at least 20 other people have ordered their devices, then start to worry.10:55
lbtX-Fade: pin10:57
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TheBootrooalterego: ihave already activated my lauchpad11:00
TheBootroobut get no return about the shipping status11:00
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alteregoOh, well, you're on your own then.11:00
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TheBootrooand i can't find the email from nokia in my gmail archives11:01
TheBootroocan you give me the subject to see if i get it11:01
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alteregoNot on this phone no11:02
alteregoSorry, someone mentioned the subject in the forum thread on f.m.c11:02
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TheBootroowhat afraids me is that in my account settignsd i have 'no programs" in the "My programs" section11:04
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TheBootroodoes it mean my subscription failed or was aproved yet or nokia already sent the device so they deleted the section ?11:05
TheBootrooor a website bug ?11:05
alteregoSo you haven't got your launchpad account verified yet?11:05
TheBootroocan't remember11:05
MohammadAGhas anyone got that verified anyway?11:05
alteregoSo you haven't got your launchpad account verified yet?11:05
alteregoWell you clearly havent.11:05
VenemoMohammadAG, nope11:05
alteregoMohammadAG: Jaffa11:05
alterego:)11:05
MohammadAGalterego, besides him, he had it all set up11:05
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TheBootrooi already registered and applied but cant find back the mail, but sometimes when lN9 devkit was yet actived it said me i was already regsitered on a program11:06
* Jaffa is Special ;-)11:06
TheBootrooalterego: what could i do11:06
TheBootrooalterego: N9 devkit program is closed no11:06
MohammadAGstop worrying11:06
lcukJaffa, indeed you are - how is your n950 doing?11:06
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alteregoTheBootroo: right, so you've not been verified, so be patient and wait like everyone else.11:06
TheBootrooand in Additional account information   section i have11:07
TheBootrooC++/Qt4 applications for Qt Devices11:07
Jaffalcuk: Going well; only a few glitches11:07
lcukJaffa, glitches are expected11:07
TheBootrootha's an info i typed during launchap apply11:07
alteregoTheBootroo: really don't care about your developer profile.11:07
alteregoTheBootroo: if you've not got launchpad yet, you're in the same position as everyone else (sans Jaffa)11:08
TheBootrooalterego:hum ok but where can i have valid info that i can care about ?11:08
alteregoforum.meego.com11:08
lcukJaffa, does attitude work at the speed you always expected it to?11:08
alteregoLike I told you before.11:08
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* lcuk quite looking forward to getting n95011:09
lcukI really hope the qt wallcalendar will work well on it11:10
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alteregoTheBootroo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=359711:12
vvaltoneone of the guys here said they handed units at the meetup11:12
alteregoTheBootroo: be patient and stop asking, we're all in the same position.11:12
TheBootrooJaffa: does  Gmail sync (mail + calendar) over MfE works well in current N950 OS ?11:13
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alteregoTheBootroo: what app/s are you going to be developing for Harmattan?11:14
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Jaffalcuk: Yes, nice and fast. Some weirdnesses about how the task switcher forces your app to be portrait, even if you lock it to landscape; which causes rendering issues.11:15
JaffaTheBootroo: Haven't tried mail over MfE (what's the advantage compared with IMAP?) But calendar sync seems to work well. See http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N95011:16
alteregoWe have that ic CE too ..11:16
lcukJaffa, understandable glitches but portrait looks good11:16
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lcuka bit odd with the keyboard I bet11:16
TheBootrooalterego: movies info retreiver (using TMDb.org), business card manager (interfaced with camera), bank account monitor, maybe port my google reader app, my music read (with portrait and landscape mode), and try to make a MIDI file reader with KAR support (maybe a stripped down port of KMid2 using Timidity ++)... and of course my LibMWTk + MobileUX-NG11:16
alteregoHardly ng if it's qwidget ;)11:17
TheBootrooalterego: QML sux11:17
alteregoI look forward to some of those apps.11:17
VenemoTheBootroo, bank account monitor?11:17
alteregoTheBootroo: you not being able to use something doesn't mean it "sux" ..11:17
TheBootrooalterego: i spent a full Week end on it, not even able to support one corner border radius, mandatory all corners same radius11:18
alteregom'hmmm ...11:18
TheBootrooalterego:  i'm not bad developr and not retrograde but when a newly started project want to replace a longly used one, it must be at least as complete, and QML doesn't even support fully equivalent CSS211:19
Venemowhich is better? VirtualBox or VMWare?11:19
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alteregoA full weekend and you didn't come up with a solution? I think that counts as "not being able to use it" ;)11:19
alteregoVenemo: VMWare11:19
TheBootrooalterego: i don't want to put borderiamges and pixmap everywhere to achieve a good looking custom skin11:19
alteregoTheBootroo: well, gutted ..11:19
TheBootrooi need to support HSVA and so custom hue, i cant realisitaclly use pixmaps11:20
Venemoalterego, why is it that every time I launch my WMVare VM, the Ctrl key stops working in Linux?11:20
TheBootrooalterego: so it sucks at the moment11:20
alteregoTheBootroo: if you say so...11:20
thiagoVenemo: only ctrl? or all modifiers?11:20
TheBootrooalterego: if you find a solution, i can stop whinning11:20
Venemothiago, AltGr seems to be working11:20
Venemobut when I press, say, Ctrl+C, I only get a 'c'11:21
alteregoVenemo: you're the one "whinning". I'm just saying it's understandable you'd think something "sux" if you lack the ability to use it.11:21
MohammadAGdoesn't VMWare capture the ctrl key?11:21
alteregoTheBootroo: you're the one "whinning". I'm just saying it's understandable you'd think something "sux" if you lack the ability to use it.11:21
alteregosorry Venemo ;)11:21
Stskeepshttp://harthur.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/dealing-with-not-dealing-with-the-open-source-assholes/11:22
Venemoalterego, np11:22
Stskeeps^ please read11:22
VenemoMohammadAG, how can I make it not to?11:22
alterego:)11:22
thiagoVenemo: how about shift and alt?11:22
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Venemothiago, shift Works, alt... I dunno, but AltGr does11:23
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thiagoVenemo: I used to have this problem too. VMWare messes up with the modmap11:23
TheBootrooalterego: once again, it's not like i was not open, i tried and  tried again, this full week end, and was not even to get more than a simple design, far from what i do n Qwidget + Qss, and with many glitches (in alignments, sizes and layouts)11:23
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thiagoVenemo: just have an ~/.xmodmap with the right settings, so you can run if this happens: cd; xmodmap -e .xmodmap11:24
Venemothiago, oh, thanks.11:25
Venemothiago, how can I make a .xmodmap?11:25
thiagoVenemo: you especially want: add control = Control_L Control_R11:26
alteregoTheBootroo: you're going to need more than a weekend to do something as complicated as what you're trying. If you find a glaring bug, report it, the point is QML is the future and you need to use it if you want your mobile ux (ng) to be taken seriously.11:26
Venemothiago, this one line in that file will do it?11:26
thiagotry running that now (xmodmap -e 'add control = Control_L Control_R') and see if it restores your control11:26
RST38hStskeeps: Sounds like a beginner's guide to anal defence11:27
Venemothiago, yes! thank you :)11:27
RST38hStskeeps: Even although I generally agree with most of the points11:27
alteregoTheBootroo: otherwise what's the point in it? Just itch scratching a mobile desktop idea? You may as well have just drawn a picture of it and left it at that :P11:27
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tonberryhi guys11:29
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Venemohi11:30
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Guest57916anyone of u getting N950 for development?11:31
dm8tbrall the people listed in the wiki will get one11:31
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TheBootrooalterego: the point is getting a robust C++ api to build simple mobile apps, no matter of what kind of tech this toolkit uses11:31
TheBootrooi would like to use QML11:31
TheBootroobut it doesn't offer the same level of power as Qwidget + CSS11:31
lcukStskeeps, very true11:32
dm8tbrAFAICT Qwidget is deprecated, doesn't make sense to ride a dead horse11:32
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Guest57916my comp is getting one, i gona assign for apps development in future11:32
vvaltonedeprecated?11:32
dm8tbrwasn't it?11:32
TheBootrooso yes, QML support matrix rotation, GL shader, particles, and so on, but i don't givea fuck about that, all i want is correct border radius and border width11:32
dm8tbrwatch your language please11:33
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TheBootroodm8tbr: Qwidget can not be depreciated until Qt6, since many companies have built big apps on it, and none will use QML to build engineering apps11:33
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TheBootroonokia forcing for QML only would be the biggest bullshit in the world11:34
TheBootrooand precipiting their fall into a 'no point' company11:34
TheBootroothey can encourage qml for mobile apps and simple gadgets, but no make it mandatory for everyone, even who dont want to  use it because its not powerfull enough11:35
MohammadAGQWidget is not deprecated11:35
MohammadAGjust "done"11:35
TheBootroo(except if you can spend 3 year to develop 50+ QML classes plugins)11:35
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TheBootrooMohammadAG: what do you mean by done ?11:36
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dm8tbrMohammadAG: thanks for clarifying11:37
TheBootroowill Qt5 be mobile-only turned ? i don't think so, since the biggest market share of Qt is industrial apps and QMl isn't build for that use, so it will not be deprecated, just splitted in some modules and the graphics renderings will be changed but the api will not11:38
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alteregoTheBootroo: any proof to backup that statement?11:39
TheBootrooalterego: just look on Qt in use section on Qt official website11:39
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TheBootrooany QMl or even mobile app in it ? NO11:39
alteregoTheBootroo: so what?11:40
alteregoThat isn't proof ..11:40
TheBootrooso the biggest revenues of qt comes from person who will not use QML11:40
TheBootrooso they can't end Qwidget support11:41
alteregoThat's a couple of cherry picked use cases.11:41
alteregoTheBootroo: oh, so you're talking about _revenue_ ..11:41
TheBootrooonly re-design the classe strcuture to make QWidget not mandatory for QML-only apps (which is good)11:41
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dm8tbrthe Qt labs blog seems to have more information: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ YMMV11:44
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dm8tbrgrml, netsplits11:54
dm8tbr08:44:30< dm8tbr> the Qt labs blog seems to have more information: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/09/thoughts-about-qt-5/ YMMV11:54
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cos^does anyone know where can i find my Nokia Developer Id?11:55
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thiagoTheBootroo: Qt won't be mobile-only11:55
thiagoTheBootroo: what we wanted to say in the blog was to bring QML to the forefront; we believe it will be useful in the desktop too11:56
VenemoQWidgets are NOT deprecated. they will live in a separate module.11:56
dm8tbrsorry for misrepresenting that11:56
TheBootrooVenemo: thanks for killing the troll :-)11:57
Termanacos^, developer.nokia.com is loading very slow for me so I can't get you the direct link. But go onto your developer.nokia.com account, click your name or settings in the top right corner, press Developer Settings in the sidebar thats on the next page and it should be there11:57
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cos^Termana: ok, thanks.. not very easy to find11:59
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VenemoTheBootroo, ?12:05
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TheBootrooVenemo: thx for confirming that Qwidget will not be unusable, just separated in a QtWigets modules (which is goood)12:11
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thiagoTheBootroo: for desktops12:19
thiagodon't expect to use QtWidgets on mobile12:19
omcfadde_workhas anyone seen anything like this when trying to build a package: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=a62LTaMN12:19
omcfadde_workseems like something is really broken12:19
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nialahello people12:20
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omcfadde_worknevermind, osc-build seems to be the new version12:28
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Parsleehi13:08
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nialahttp://download.meego.com/live/home:/ thiss is for public OBS? I'm not here? Wrong url?13:16
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Stskeepsno, thats for build.meego.com13:17
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nialaStskeeps, well I have lost the link for public obs. Is public obs still relevant?13:18
Stskeepsyes, build.pub.meego.com13:18
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nialathank you :). add shortcut for tomorrow13:20
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alteregolcuk: looks like my N8 will be shipped this week :)15:27
pebcakn8?15:30
Wirta?15:30
Wirtanot n950?15:30
Wirtayou bought something that has symbian?15:32
iekkuhaha15:32
Tronicalterego: FAIL.15:33
alteregoI didn't buy anything15:34
alteregoWhat gave you that idea?15:34
iekkun815:34
alteregoRight ...15:34
Wirtaare you sure you dont mean n9?15:34
iekkun950?15:35
alteregoNo, I mean N8, that's why I said, N815:35
alteregoI'm still waiting for launchpad validation for N95015:35
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iekku:)15:36
TronicWhat I don't see is why would someone be excited about getting an N8 (or E7 for that matter).15:36
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Wirtawhat is the story behind your N8? :)15:37
alteregoI'm excited to get an N8 so I can get my Qt apps working on Symbian15:37
alteregoThat and it has the best multimedia capabilities out there, imo15:37
iekkualterego, ah, good point15:37
alteregoBest camera, HDMI out, it's gonna be fun.15:37
Wirtaokay then15:38
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Wirtawatch out, IT might explode15:40
pebcakdigital rangefinders FTW!15:40
pebcakdslrs... haha :P15:40
lcukalterego, nice indeed15:41
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lcukStskeeps, your local obs instructions - are they compatible with harmattan development?16:43
lcukie can you use obs for n9 stuff?16:43
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Stskeepsask the apps.meego.com peeps16:44
lcukX-Fade, lbt? ^^16:45
dm8tbrlcuk: IIRC X-Fade wrote he wants to bring it to cobs16:45
X-Fadelcuk: harmattan target will be in cobs this week.16:45
alteregoYay :)16:46
lcuknice X-Fade :D16:46
lcukwhich OS/UXes does cobs work with now, is it documented for people?16:46
X-Fadelcuk: Click on projects :)16:46
Jaffalcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS documents what X-Fade, lardman and I have been trying to do for newbies (like lardman and I) who just want to build stuff.16:46
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JaffaX-Fade: yay16:47
X-FadeSo there are 2 options, I like your opinion on.16:47
* lardman has been doing significantly less than the other two mind you16:47
lcukJaffa, :D16:47
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X-Fade1. Get Harmattan working sooner: But with an aweful amount of warnings.16:48
X-Fade2. Wait a bit longer and hopefully build logs are a bit cleaner.16:48
Jaffalardman: You started it. Rolling resistance is the hardest thing to overcome when starting a car (or some other car-based analogy)16:48
Jaffa(1)16:48
lardman:)16:48
JaffaNo question16:48
X-FadeAfter a lot of painful experiments, I'm leaning towards 1 :)16:49
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JaffaAs long as there's a clear warning somewhere about what warnings to expect16:50
X-FadeBuilding phase itself is ok.16:50
dm8tbrX-Fade: screw warnings as long as we get results :D16:51
X-FadeIt is the install of the packages in the rootstrap, which is noisy.16:51
X-FadeWell, LOUD.16:51
X-FadeTail of the log is ok, and that is the business part anyway.16:51
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JaffaX-Fade: Oh, yeah - if getting the build environment is noisy, meh16:56
X-FadeJaffa: It is just that every build log is a bit big.16:57
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JaffaX-Fade: If it's that bad, a post-process grep?16:57
X-FadeBut I'd think it is good to have it available for the developers. So they at least can start.16:58
JaffaAbsolutely16:58
X-FadeJaffa: I want to stay away from hacking obs code ;)16:58
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fiferboyJaffa: I take it you have tested packaging and installing Attitude on N950?17:03
Jaffafiferboy: I have17:03
fiferboyJaffa: Is the packaging much different from Maemo5?17:03
Jaffafiferboy: No17:03
fiferboyAs far as special entries in the control file, etc17:04
Jaffafiferboy: In fact, in qtc_packaging, I've symlinked control, rules, copyright, README and changelog between debian_fremantle and debian_harmattan17:04
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Jaffafiferboy: XB-Maemo-Icon-26 is now 64px, XB-Maemo-Display-Name is still present etc17:04
Jaffafiferboy: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 contains some links17:04
fiferboyJaffa: Thanks. I hadn't delved into the Harmattan packaging yet17:05
fiferboyI figured you would have :)17:05
Jaffafiferboy: It says put the SVG icon in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons, but /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps works as well and seems a more standard place17:06
fiferboyJaffa: Is the SVG icon actually used anywhere?  I always included one in Maemo5 but couldn't see what affect it had17:06
Jaffafiferboy: It's used in the application launcher in Harmattan17:07
X-Fadefiferboy: You can use svg icons, but png prerendered is probably nicer.17:07
Jaffafiferboy: As Symbian does as well. Since the icons are now common styles, that's quite handy17:07
X-FadeLooks nicer.17:07
* Jaffa will probably make mud2 render (if you have rsvg installed) 48x48, 64x64 and 80x80 versions.17:07
fiferboyX-Fade: If both are available will the system use the SVG or PNG?17:08
JaffaNot maintaining all those manually17:08
X-Fadefiferboy: No idea ;)17:08
Jaffafiferboy: Check the co... oh17:08
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fiferboyX-Fade: Trial and error it is!17:08
fiferboyJaffa: Do you have the git link?  Oh... yeah.17:09
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fiferboyJaffa: I like the looks of mud2, it should make it easier to suppoert multiple platforms17:22
Jaffafiferboy: That's my plan. Maybe even something spectacle like for the common metadata for your basic apps: icon, description, additional weird dependencies etc. and have it do all the fremantle/harmattan/MeeGo donkey work17:22
fiferboyJaffa: Especailly this line "Obviously this'll be expanded in future to also handle Spectacle/spec files"17:23
Jaffafiferboy: Want to automate it, as I know nothing about them ;-)17:23
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fiferboyYeah, I managed (somehow) to get an RPM to build once, but I don't know if I could do it again ;)17:24
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StskeepsJaffa: did you check autospectacle, btw_17:26
Stskeeps?17:26
JaffaStskeeps: I am aware of it, yeah - I hjaven't ooked in detail yet17:27
JaffaI suspect I'll drive it as part of mud217:27
Stskeepsit basically makes an initial spectacle and then through iterations makes a full one17:27
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JaffaStskeeps: And then spectacle's run to produce the .spec file to upload to OBS17:30
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smokuStskeeps: and what is the name of the tool that generates initial autospectacle?17:40
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Stskeepssmoku: autospectacle takes a tarball and makes a yaml file17:40
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smokuso we need a tool to generate tarball ;-)17:41
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Stskeepstarball is the app to be packaged or lib or whatever..17:42
smokuyeah. that.17:42
berndhsgit --archive makes fine tarballs17:42
smokuthen we will have a tool to generate app, then a tool that generates yaml. then a tool to generate spec and a tool to generate rpm.17:42
smoku:D17:43
berndhss/--//17:43
infobotberndhs meant: git archive makes fine tarballs17:43
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lcukJaffa, that obs page ( http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS ) is really nice.  I will add a few notes about adding the repository into working MeeGo instance18:05
Jaffalcuk: That'd be great!18:06
CosmoHillhey clbr18:06
CosmoHill*lcuk*18:06
timophdid you get some email after doing the launchpad application. I'd think one would get an email stating that they received the thing..18:10
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berndhsi didn't get anything, figured they just don't like me18:11
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timoph:)18:11
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timophthis waiting is killing me :/18:12
slainetimoph: snap18:12
slaineWhat IS the launchpad thing ?18:12
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timophone needs to apply to nokia launchpad to get the meego.com loaner18:13
slaineYeah, but what is launchpad18:13
timophsome nokia developer portal18:13
slaineIs it like fightclub ?18:13
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cpscottitimoph, quite harsh your's *some* there... lol18:14
slaineFirst rule of Launchpad, don't talk about Launchpad18:14
cpscotti*yours18:14
timoph:)18:14
cpscottilol18:14
cpscottislaine, indeed18:14
slaineAnyway, yes, I also got no reply once I followed the link. I'm assuming poor qgil is swamped processing everything18:15
slaineand it's also a holiday today18:15
timoph:/18:15
lcukJaffa, lardman, just added the notes now to the page - that is a really nice getting started so far \o18:15
lcukhey timoph \o18:15
timophlcuk: o/18:15
lcuktimoph, you should take a look on http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS as a pro I bet you have some helpful hints18:16
* timoph is on vacation (and bored)18:16
lcukand a solution to boredom ;)18:16
timophyep :)18:16
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timophcould actually write about osc to that page18:18
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timophat least i don't use the www interface that much18:19
Jaffatimoph: I think that's similar to the main audience18:20
Jaffatimoph: Anything beyond simple usage should go into a separate (linked) "osc power use" (or something)18:21
timophJaffa: maybe just put things like osc ci, up and co there18:22
* Jaffa nods18:22
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berndhsosc mkpack, or whatever its called18:23
Jaffalcuk: I've done some minor tweaks18:24
* Jaffa suspects there needs to be a "Using OBS for MeeGo Core maintenance", but since he doesn't do it, he's not sure18:24
timophI'll edit it a later. currently I'm online using my n900 so..18:24
timoph..a bit..18:25
Jaffa:)18:25
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berndhsconnman isn't very good is it18:26
timophdoes osc build work now without --no-verify ?18:26
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lcukJaffa, great stuff, I added this page to my "offer to newbies" link list :)18:31
aissenanyone has the dmi output of the WeTab (not ExoPC) ? I'd need at least the output of "dmidecode -t baseboard" and "dmidecode -t bios"18:31
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CosmoHillNokia N900, sim free, 32GB card, £160, hmmm18:42
slaineCosmoHill: that's a good price18:43
JaffaCosmoHill: Where from?18:44
CosmoHill"only used for 2 weeks"18:44
CosmoHillJaffa: play.com18:44
hiemanshuwow18:44
JaffaDidn't know they did 2nd hand.18:44
hiemanshuCosmoHill: thats cheap18:44
JaffaThat's about the price N8s are going for too (he said having looked them up on ebay after getting one as an "upgrade" from Nokia Care for his broken USB ported N900"18:44
CosmoHillhttp://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/11626538/Nokia-N900-32GB-Sim-Free-Unlocked-5-0-Megapixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html?searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchstring=nokia+n900&urlrefer=search18:45
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fiferboyJaffa: Is the N950 good enough for you as a primary phone?18:46
lbtis meego.com going slowly for anyone?18:47
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CosmoHillspeaking of slow internet, is anyone on Plus.net or IDNet?18:47
dm8tbrnot particularly18:47
CosmoHilllcuk: yes, very18:47
lbtdm8tbr: OK ta18:48
Jaffafiferboy: Yes; but only since I'm only using it for commuting18:48
CosmoHillbut if I click refresh it's instant18:48
Jaffafiferboy: Lack of Google Talk IM and anything other than Twitter web apps is a bit limited beyond that.18:48
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Jaffafiferboy: MeeGo Terminal doesn't have any copy &paste, so opening links between systems is also annoying18:48
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fiferboyJaffa: So, mostly things that (should|will) be fixed on the N9 release18:50
Jaffafiferboy: Aye.18:50
fiferboyBut maybe at some point on the N95018:50
Jaffas/But maybe/And, allegedly,/18:50
fiferboyRight.  But probably not until the N9 is release?18:50
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Jaffafiferboy: Indeed18:51
dm8tbrJaffa: no XMPP? I thought that the ovi messenger (still) relied on that18:51
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Jaffadm8tbr: There is no Ovi Messenger in the N950 image18:51
Jaffadm8tbr: "Nokia Account" is used for contacts' sync18:51
dm8tbroic18:51
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Myrttilooks like July alright19:55
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vdvhi all20:51
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vdvis meego officially supported on n900? maybe my question is too silly, but i haven't tracked meego development since last year20:52
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dm8tbrvdv: there is a community edition that works fairly well20:53
dm8tbrand I think it still sort of is the reference hardware for MeeGo ARM20:53
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vdvdm8tbr, ok thanks20:55
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MSvBThanks to leinir for offering the cable that was used in the mobile session in Berlin.21:30
MSvBThink the topic was MeeGo in fact, or was it QML?21:30
MSvBStarting to forget, but not the demo which was quite nice indeed.21:31
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MSvBIt would be nice if all projectors had a HDMI or DVI input so that phones and other such devices can be used for demos.21:31
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Venemo~seen sivang22:15
infobotsivang <~sivan@unaffiliated/sivang> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 11h 32m 21s ago, saying: 'where can I donwnload the N9/950 Nokia Qt SDK?'.22:15
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vgradeanyone going to the London AppUp tomorrow?22:17
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berndhsconnnman sucks22:34
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wazdJaffa: ping22:38
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