IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2011-06-17

lcukalterego, how about the inverse00:01
lcukask what you want rpm to have a macro for00:01
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alteregolcuk: I was just curious ;)00:02
CosmoHillMock the week is starting btw00:02
alteregoBuilding a reference of documentation00:02
alteregoCosmoHill: watching it :P00:02
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gabrbedd~seen rpm_macros00:02
infoboti haven't seen 'rpm_macros', gabrbedd00:02
CosmoHillalterego: BBC2 or bbc HD?00:03
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CosmoHillwtf00:03
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CosmoHillit's not on BBC HD, you lied!00:03
alteregoBBC200:03
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ephedrandroxAny hints getting maliit to work in fedora 15? What environment variables need to be set?00:32
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mikhashi ephedrandrox, can I invite you over to #meego-inputmethods?00:36
CosmoHillpoxy sky box00:36
mikhas(that's the maliit channel)00:36
mikhasephedrandrox, have you taken the Fedora packages from OBS?00:37
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mikhastry setting QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext and I think GTK_IM_MODULE=meego-im00:38
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mikhasand make sure you have a running meego-im-uiserver instance00:38
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alteregoBloody obs is being lame still00:41
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ephedrandroxYeah, havnt set them both together, in input channel now00:51
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papirius2001 It is discovered that US drug agents’ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which01:08
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CosmoHillwhat is it with that host and spam01:24
CosmoHillthey spam a forum I'm on too01:24
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phl0x81was a great MeeGo Meetup in Düsseldorf tonight :)01:29
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NGE01Why doesn't boot meego-1.2-de after zypper dup & shutdown -r now01:34
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XwZhello, i'm trying to install the meego sdk but it needs 6GB on / ... but 6GB is my full partition, is it possible to install it in a other partition ?02:07
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XwZI found the problem ... i was executinig the installer as root ... good night :)02:40
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Jay_BEEhiyas06:46
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newbie007any update on the nookcolor? I've been keeping an eye on the wiki and forums07:36
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* btdrucke is away: I'm busy08:08
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sofarwdouglas: need a good laugh?08:35
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wdouglassofar: Surely08:35
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sofarran a bootchart on my home box and started seeing the weirdest crashes and corruption in it08:36
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sofarwdouglas: the error was.... #define MAXCPUS 808:36
sofar:)08:36
sofar12 core i7 lmao08:36
wdouglassofar: Hah darn i708:36
sofarcpu stat data was overwriting all the basic accounting hehehe08:37
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wdouglassofar: Yea, that's rough.  Odd it didn't have any behavior changes for more cpus.08:37
thiago_homeit's technically a hyperthreaded 6-core i708:38
sofarwell duh08:38
sofarof course08:38
sofarthat's not the funny part :P08:39
wdouglas<nod nod>08:39
wdouglasI really need to roll another patch for meego's systemd.  My lenovo died a horrible death again so time to slam in the latest from trunk again.08:42
sofarUlf gave me an xfce4 image today that booted properly08:42
sofarbut it was missing all the basic xfce apps lol08:43
Stskeepsso what was the end result of 'netbook ux doesn't work properly on 1.3' discussion? to look into meego ux on netbook or xfce?08:43
sofarnah, xfce4 is just a fallback/hobby thing of mine08:44
Stskeeps:nod:08:45
sofaronce in a while it's useful for starting a new platform since it doesn't need 3d, but has a full ui08:45
Stskeepsit would be nice if we could fall back on mesa llvmpipe actually08:45
wdouglasI seem to just use virtual terminals even if the ux works =P08:45
sofarnetbook UX in it's current form is probably EOL08:45
sofarwdouglas: no connman cli tool08:46
Stskeepsconnman-tests ;)08:46
dm8tbrwdouglas: that's why I call Xorg a 'terminal multiplexer'08:46
wdouglasHaha08:46
sofarI still wish I could make someone write a connman-cli08:46
sofarcan't believe the only connman UI that is reliable is the clutter one :(08:46
wdouglasTerrible shame it is missing that08:46
wdouglasI am always confused when something has a UI only config08:47
wdouglasBut it isn't like wifi works on the lenovo atm anyway08:47
Stskeepstake out battery, put it back in, reset bios settings, that solves the rfkill issue for me :P08:48
wdouglasIf only rfkill was broadcom's biggest problem08:48
Stskeeps:nod:08:49
wdouglasI am really happy with all the progress that has been made in dealing with proxy stuff though.  http goes fine and I only need to manually set https now08:50
sofarbrb testing - making a bootchart of my systemd@homebox08:50
wdouglasWoo08:50
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wdouglasbootchart a go go08:52
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sofarwow, that's worse than I thought it would be08:53
wdouglasYou don't have enough pessimism08:54
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sofarwell, I'm gonna zone out but basically readahead with systemd isn't working on my platform09:07
wdouglasneeds more super readahead =)09:08
sofarJun 16 23:09:08 localhost systemd-readahead-collect[3942]: Disabling readahead collector due to low memory.09:11
sofar6g memory... stupid09:11
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Stskeepsheh :>09:12
pebcak^^09:14
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Snow_Thc hey10:20
Snow_Thc does anyone know any good utlities for windoes?10:20
Snow_Thcwindows10:20
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JaffaMorning, all10:51
Stskeepsmorn jaffa10:52
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jeremiahehlo!11:45
jeremiahWhat is the state of Mono in MeeGo?11:45
Stskeepsonly builds on x8611:45
jeremiahI'm going to look into the repos to see what I can find but I'm a little suspicious that there isn't much Mono in MeeGo as of yet.11:45
Stskeepsonly used in netbook ux for banshee11:45
jeremiahAha.11:46
jeremiahOkay11:46
Stskeepsnot part of meego core or required11:46
jeremiahStskeeps: Thanks11:46
jeremiahI see, but it is _packaged_?11:46
Stskeepsyes11:46
jeremiahOkay, cool.11:46
Stskeepsi think it's an ancient version, too11:46
jeremiahah, okay11:46
jeremiahI suppose I should install it and test. :/11:46
Stskeepswhat could you possibly need it for, btw? :P11:47
jeremiahStskeeps: Damn good question.11:47
jeremiahStskeeps: It turns out there is a company (centrafuse) that has ported a windows app to Ubuntu11:47
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jeremiahAnd folks in MeeGo IVI want that app in MeeGo11:47
jeremiahIt is written in C#11:48
jeremiahAnd they ported it to Ubuntu with Mono11:48
Stskeepsmmkay11:48
Stskeepswell, nothing stops them11:48
jeremiahIt's not a technology that I am particularly fond of.11:48
jeremiahBut, as per usual, it isn't up to me11:48
Khertan_Tomboy is a good mono app i would like to see in Meego :)11:48
Stskeepsjust like i used java JRE for netbanking on meego netbook11:48
jeremiahKhertan_: I agree, Tomboy is a good app11:48
Khertan_i've compiled all things for meego netbook 1.011:49
jeremiah_all_ thing?11:49
jeremiahCools11:49
Khertan_but didn't have taken the time to do it for last release11:49
Khertan_jeremiah: it s just a compilation ... didn't got problem at the time to compile mono and run it on meego11:50
Khertan_at least the part used by tomboy11:50
jeremiahWow, very cool11:50
jeremiahwww.centrafuse.com for those who care.11:51
jeremiahThose are the guys who are porting the Mono app11:51
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Khertan_Mono 2.6.3 in netbook ux11:56
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BestiaHHi there12:06
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BestiaHI'm testing bluetooth in a netbook12:07
BestiaHand I have a little doubt12:07
BestiaH when I'm sending a file from the netbook to other device12:07
BestiaHand I cancel the transfer12:08
BestiaHthe focus goes to the background12:08
BestiaHit should be like this?12:08
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kavachahi, I am looking for some help with installing meego into kvm.  I have used virt-manager and added a new virtual machine of generic type and used the netbook image as the iso15:59
kavachathe installation seems to succeed just fine and I am prompted to press any key at the end, so that it can restart16:00
kavachawhen it restarts it never manages to boot the new virtual machine16:00
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kavachahas anyone encountered a similar issue ?16:02
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lbt_nurcan someone explain how I know when I should go to download.meego.com and when I should go to repo.meego.com ?16:08
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Stskeepsdownload.meego.com only if you work with meego development directly, ie, needing to access for example Trunk:Testing or investigate devel:* projects16:10
lbt_nurso 'repo' is actually more stable than download16:11
lbt_nurI somehow interpret that the other way around16:11
X-Faderepo is mirrored too.16:11
Stskeepsdownload is unstable, slow, etc :)16:12
lbt_nurand repo is not volatile16:12
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Stskeepsvolatile?16:13
lbt_nurthings don't just vanish16:13
lbt_nurI hear that we've been using download and some things have gone away16:13
Stskeepsright16:13
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Stskeepsthere's an archive being set up as well, generally after a long while, some of the intermediate version *.80 *.90 moves to archive16:14
lbt_nurOK .. we need a header/footer on those directory views to explain this16:14
Stskeepsi think they documented the repos on wiki somewhere actually16:14
lbt_nurthe nice meego is cute but really not helpful ;)16:14
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lbt_nurhttp://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Repo_List16:15
lbt_nurpossibly16:15
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lbt_nurhmmm ... the http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ page should really have some kind of pointer to an informative wiki page16:23
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BestiaHHi there!16:34
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BestiaHWhere can I download the 1.3 meego version for netbook??16:35
maligoryou mean development versions?16:35
maligor1.2 is the latest release16:36
StskeepsBestiaH: i don't think we have one yet :)16:36
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BestiaHhmmm16:37
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BestiaHbut I have find some test results of this version...16:37
maligorwhat sort of test results?16:38
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* Jaffa didn't think the MeeGo N900 DE -> CE name change had been well advertised given how many blogs have reused my tweet about it18:01
JaffaWould have done so sooner, but there wasn't really anything to link to AFAICT. Communications' fail ;_018:01
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Jaffas/;_O/;-)/18:01
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timophJaffa: mailing list archives or forum post?18:02
timophor wiki?18:02
maligora highly important change, it'll change the way we think about the world18:02
timoph:)18:02
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Jaffatimoph: I didn't see anything on meego-* mailing lists about it until the meego-qa post today. Mostly referenced on IRC as a fait accompli, so no real source to credit.18:03
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Jaffatimoph: The wiki is still inconsistent and doesn't/didn't contain a categorical statement on it. Didn't check the forums18:03
Jaffatimoph: Is there a post there?18:03
timophI thought jukka posted it to the handset ml18:03
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* timoph checks18:04
timophhttp://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=354018:05
timophhttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-handset/2011-June/000482.html18:05
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Jaffatimoph: Ah yes, cool - thank you18:06
timophnp18:07
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berndhsthe wiki page is particularly enlightening :P18:09
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Jaffaberndhs: Trailing stop18:12
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dneary_Anyone know what Mike Shaver's IRC nick is?18:31
dneary_I'm hoping he's online, and just not in here18:31
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DawnFosterit's mrshaver18:35
berndhs~seen mrshaver18:36
infobotmrshaver <~Adium@nat/intel/x-mrqgmzrkzwnybuab> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 272d 21h 55m 55s ago, saying: 'lbt: Hi David, want to jump over to #meego-cas for a second?'.18:36
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DawnFosterhe's not in #meego very often18:43
DawnFosterbut he's usually on other IM18:43
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maligorI'm guessing the nokia meego device will infact be a wrist watch18:47
TSCHAKeeeCommodore-Amiga flashbacks18:47
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berndhswristwatch with dual-core Atom, I like it18:52
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maligorwarms the wrist on those cold winter nights18:55
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berndhsshould be possible to improve on the ZYPAD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wristwatch_computer18:59
gabrbeddStskeeps: did your "MeeGo UX" e-mail thread ever get anywhere?  I think I only saw 1 reply.18:59
maligorberndhs, I wouldn't be surprised if the introductory price was the same19:00
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berndhsperhaps its available throught the device program https://meego.com/community/blogs/texrat/2011/formally-launching-meego-community-device-program19:01
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Myrttilollers19:11
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gabrbeddberndhs: I think the therm you're looking for is "Space Ranger"19:14
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berndhsgabrbedd: tehre was a 1965 Science Fiction TV series with write computers, those were smaller :)19:15
gabrbeddberndhs: Looks like the computer on Buzz Lightyear's gauntlets.19:16
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berndhseasier way is probably making a wristband clamp for N900s19:17
maligorI'm not sure why I just suddenly thought that meego needs a Tricorder UX19:18
gabrbedd:-)19:18
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maligorFuture proofing meego19:19
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Stskeepsgabrbedd: two replies and i'm still parsing19:22
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Stskeeps> 0 is better than silence :)19:22
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maligor== 119:24
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gabrbeddStskeeps: and both specific to IVI. :-/19:30
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gabrbeddStskeeps: FWIW, the response I usually get is similar to what the IVI guys are saying... "Um, why are you trying to use the *reference* UX?  Vendors are supposed to supply their own UX's."19:33
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* npm used to have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruputer until it fell off my wrist one day and was lost19:54
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npmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcg-wbJqL2g19:59
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Jay_BEEhowdy.20:07
CosmoHillI think you tripped over a cable on your way in20:07
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Stskeepsmm?20:56
maligorthere are no walls in irc, only infinite idling20:57
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Venemo_N900hi guys21:22
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nialahello,22:20
CosmoHillsalut22:23
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CosmoHillyay22:38
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phl0x81http://summify.com/story/Tfn7CvXQRHaNABol/bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6229?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=general&utm_source=share23:17
phl0x81I think its worth supporting :)23:17
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alteregoInteresting ..23:18
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phl0x81Something else worth supporting ;) http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=358623:46
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berndhsthat's what I want to do for a living, boats and computing. Seriously.23:49
phl0x81Malta is really nice.23:50
berndhsnever been there. I read it gets hot in the summer.23:52
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phl0x81< maltafan. 5 times been there :)23:53
phl0x81august will probably be 6th, oct would be 7th23:53
berndhsI can tolerate living in the sun though :)23:54
phl0x81planned to be now in malta, but didn't worked out ;)23:56
berndhsI would go if I had the resources23:56
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* CosmoHill boots CLFS 1.2 :D23:58
phl0x81sofar its been a good year, I'm selfemployed, so, I guess I'm gonna do the trip and have fun.23:58
berndhshey if you go for professional reasons, you can write the of the cost off your taxes23:59
phl0x81sure, this trip will pay my company :)23:59

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