2011-06-15T00:00:05 ali1234: see package chrome-meego-extension 2011-06-15T00:00:21 what about it? 2011-06-15T00:00:43 that's where the message comes from i believe 2011-06-15T00:00:51 it's already reported? 2011-06-15T00:00:54 *** _NIN has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:01:45 java is not in the meego repos? 2011-06-15T00:01:50 *** NIN101 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:02:18 "JAVA+YOU" 2011-06-15T00:02:29 *** mpoirier has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:02:35 no, java is oracles 2011-06-15T00:02:36 ...and it has no idea what OS i am running 2011-06-15T00:02:47 peraps openjdk 2011-06-15T00:02:49 i don't see "meego" 2011-06-15T00:02:52 *** sge has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:02:59 you have to use the fedora one 2011-06-15T00:03:07 this sucks from a UX perspective, i hope you guys realise this 2011-06-15T00:03:15 there isn't any fedora one 2011-06-15T00:03:22 there's only "linux" 2011-06-15T00:03:34 the one that says 32 bit RPM format 2011-06-15T00:03:48 i will take the bin file 2011-06-15T00:03:51 run the script as the regular user so it doesn't install 2011-06-15T00:03:55 *** maour has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:03:56 and just unpacks the rpms 2011-06-15T00:04:04 meh 2011-06-15T00:04:09 then throw out the javadb rpms and just install the jdk one 2011-06-15T00:04:13 i will justtake the bin file and install it properly 2011-06-15T00:04:15 *** tar-gz_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:04:33 *** tar-gz has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:04:34 "properly" means it does stuff you may not want 2011-06-15T00:04:48 like install a bunch of javadb rpms that i'll never use 2011-06-15T00:04:56 well, installing fedora rpms on a not-fedora distro is pretty high on my list of "things i don't want" 2011-06-15T00:05:25 that's kind of like saying breathing air is on the high list of things you don't want 2011-06-15T00:05:37 you may drown trying 2011-06-15T00:05:38 hmm what's this 2011-06-15T00:05:55 "* please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support" 2011-06-15T00:05:58 *** kraiskil has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:06:02 *** lizardo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:06:02 i bet that's why it doesn't work on my ubuntu 2011-06-15T00:06:37 basically since nobodys heard about meego, if you go to any site, be it adobe, oracle, or google to install all their must have software you'll be installing Fedora RPMs 2011-06-15T00:06:48 except google labels theirs Fedora or OpenSUSE 2011-06-15T00:06:49 no i won't 2011-06-15T00:06:58 i'll be downloading the package that says "all other" 2011-06-15T00:07:08 the one that's a .bin file 2011-06-15T00:07:15 the one that doesn't go anywhere near the package manager 2011-06-15T00:07:32 actually i've never seen software distributed as rpm packages before 2011-06-15T00:07:41 it's normally a deb file or a tgz 2011-06-15T00:07:48 that's silly. java updates regularly and i want to let RPM do the updating 2011-06-15T00:07:57 i didnt think anyone was insane enough to try to make cross platform RPMs 2011-06-15T00:08:14 actually, lots of people try that 2011-06-15T00:08:18 considering how easily RPM explodes even with native distro RPMs 2011-06-15T00:08:20 it's.... tricky 2011-06-15T00:08:21 same way i've done it for decades on fedora or RHEL boxen, some of which were for major sites 2011-06-15T00:08:26 boy i sure am in trolling mode today 2011-06-15T00:08:35 *** user0 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:08:40 *** mikecomputing has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:09:15 also, if you just download a rpm from a website and install it with no repo backing it, you won't get any updates 2011-06-15T00:09:34 Well it googles case their chrome RPM claims it's for Fedora or OpenSuse but fails at meego because meego doesn't have certain expected dependencies 2011-06-15T00:09:36 unless the java rpm also messes with your repo configuration 2011-06-15T00:09:44 and that would be even higher on my list of "DO NOT WANT" 2011-06-15T00:10:04 but they can be worked around either with http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem or by nastier hacks 2011-06-15T00:10:12 yes i read your email 2011-06-15T00:10:24 *** baraujo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:10:54 the java rpm does not mess w/ repo config 2011-06-15T00:10:56 google's does 2011-06-15T00:10:58 this download sure is slow 2011-06-15T00:11:04 * lbt_nur agrees on the 'nasty hack' category... except that hack implies some kind of goodness :) 2011-06-15T00:11:09 not sure if because of ISP or just a slow downoload :( 2011-06-15T00:11:38 * lbt_nur greets npm :) .... hey there ! 2011-06-15T00:12:02 *** vblazquez has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:12:48 *** mwichmann has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:12:59 *** puffin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:13:45 hi lbt_nur ... nur == nuremberg? 2011-06-15T00:13:58 yup 2011-06-15T00:14:31 *** NIN101 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:14:39 working with some nice people over here 2011-06-15T00:15:44 *** admiral0 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:15:51 hi 2011-06-15T00:16:03 i can't seem to install meego DE on my n900 2011-06-15T00:16:09 can anybody help 2011-06-15T00:16:10 ? 2011-06-15T00:16:21 *** gbraad_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:16:32 *** Richrd__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:16:45 *** vblazquez has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:16:46 *** Richrd__ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:16:53 *** jluisn has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:18:11 *** Atarii has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:18:20 *** Atarii has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:19:36 http://paste.kde.org/82423 2011-06-15T00:20:02 anyone? 2011-06-15T00:20:40 *** lardman|home has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:20:57 -.- 2011-06-15T00:21:30 admiral0: it's kinda late ;) 2011-06-15T00:21:42 admiral0: are you sure you want to overwrite your maemo installation? it's best to dualboot 2011-06-15T00:22:32 i'm hardcore 2011-06-15T00:22:45 npm: i just tried to install google chrome RPM and it *looks* like it's going to work but then it just sits on "installing" for ever 2011-06-15T00:22:46 no bother to dissuade me 2011-06-15T00:22:47 s/hardcore/inviting a diasaster/ 2011-06-15T00:22:49 pretty bad really 2011-06-15T00:22:53 i backed up everything 2011-06-15T00:23:26 *** Richrd has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:23:34 *** MeeGoExperts has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:23:44 *** acydlord has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:23:46 admiral0: still, it's simply bad for your device to reflash it again and again 2011-06-15T00:23:54 *** thiago has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:23:57 it's not like you can replace the internal flash easily 2011-06-15T00:24:00 and now the window manager has gone crazy 2011-06-15T00:24:01 *** gbraad has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:24:01 *** gbraad has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:24:15 i had my mb replaced by nokia (usb thingie) 2011-06-15T00:24:26 a couple of flashes won't kill it 2011-06-15T00:24:40 admiral0: when the DE devs tell you not to do it unless you know what you're doing then the fact that you ask for help in the wrong chan suggests.... you may not :) 2011-06-15T00:24:52 meego-dev? 2011-06-15T00:24:53 no matter what i do i just get "myzone"plastered over everything 2011-06-15T00:24:57 i am no noob dudes 2011-06-15T00:25:05 admiral0: then please listen 2011-06-15T00:25:15 get a cheap-o 2GB microSD 2011-06-15T00:26:11 *** Richrd__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:27:05 i am no noob dudes 2011-06-15T00:27:17 dammit 2011-06-15T00:27:26 i thoought i was in console 2011-06-15T00:28:01 *** briglia has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:28:15 fail 2011-06-15T00:28:23 now the whole UI has crashed 2011-06-15T00:28:30 yeah up works as expected 2011-06-15T00:28:33 seriosuly does anyone even test this stuff before it's released? 2011-06-15T00:28:33 *** Richrd has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:28:36 *** jpetersen has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:29:00 ali1234: let me explain how opensource works.... 2011-06-15T00:29:08 on second thoughts.... 2011-06-15T00:29:23 lbt_nur: 1.2.0 is significantly more buggy than the RCs that came out in may 2011-06-15T00:29:29 sorry had to step away....... must go pickup son early... back later 2011-06-15T00:29:46 it's like someone broke into the repo the day before it was released and inserted hundreds and hundreds of bugs 2011-06-15T00:30:18 It's more of a feature freeze than a stable release it seems ;) 2011-06-15T00:30:35 it's stable... it's just not reliable 2011-06-15T00:30:48 which is not as insane as it sounds 2011-06-15T00:30:55 i just wonder what's the point of even calling it a release when it's much lower quality than the development versions that came out a few days earlier 2011-06-15T00:31:14 ali1234: how many devs have you got building a product against it? 2011-06-15T00:31:20 i mean if i want to get anything done with this i'm going to have to go back to like a 1.1.90 version or something 2011-06-15T00:31:39 *** mpoirier has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:31:40 i get "Unable to enumerate USB devices!" 2011-06-15T00:31:40 * lbt_nur continues to be amazed that people think MeeGo is a distro 2011-06-15T00:32:28 yes, that's it, continue to make excuses 2011-06-15T00:32:36 if meego doesn't work properly, it's my fault 2011-06-15T00:32:48 because i should have just fixed every bug before i even knew about them 2011-06-15T00:32:51 *** Richrd has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:32:51 nope... but your expecatiions are wrong 2011-06-15T00:32:59 and it's not your fault 2011-06-15T00:33:17 why is it wrong to expect that 1.2.0 doesn't have new bugs that weren't in 1.1.90? 2011-06-15T00:34:26 because the UX isn't the focus of MeeGo 2011-06-15T00:34:35 the bugs aren't all in the UX 2011-06-15T00:34:42 fair answer 2011-06-15T00:34:45 zypper si doesn't even work 2011-06-15T00:34:52 *** Dr_Who has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:34:54 *** boiko has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:34:59 and it looks like the whole X server has crashed as well 2011-06-15T00:35:16 this is i would suspect hardware errors if it wasn't for the fact that all the other OS on this machine work perfectly 2011-06-15T00:36:16 i found the issue 2011-06-15T00:36:22 it was libusb 2011-06-15T00:36:37 i downloaded ubuntu deb 2011-06-15T00:36:52 *** eijk has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:36:58 and preloaded it 2011-06-15T00:37:31 so if someone from arch or chakra comes with the same issue say to them it's libusb 2011-06-15T00:37:52 jeez what's with wiki.meego.com? DDoS? 2011-06-15T00:37:58 what's wrong with libusb? 2011-06-15T00:38:05 i dunno 2011-06-15T00:38:16 flasher didn't like it 2011-06-15T00:38:23 ah maybe it's a version mismatch 2011-06-15T00:38:32 Unable to enumerate USB devices! 2011-06-15T00:38:34 flasher is not open source right? 2011-06-15T00:38:38 nope 2011-06-15T00:38:43 or you got a binary either way 2011-06-15T00:38:47 so that's probably it 2011-06-15T00:38:48 they could have statically compiled it 2011-06-15T00:38:54 but they didn't 2011-06-15T00:39:03 i think there's multiple versions of it actually 2011-06-15T00:39:08 it's same version btw 2011-06-15T00:39:17 pretty sure that i always download the one that says "32 bit static tgz" 2011-06-15T00:39:20 and it's like 10mb 2011-06-15T00:39:26 but maybe i'm thinking of something else 2011-06-15T00:39:27 strange 2011-06-15T00:39:29 *** boiko_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:39:39 ldd says some libs are dynlinked 2011-06-15T00:39:41 Saviq: ?? 2011-06-15T00:39:46 WFM.... 2011-06-15T00:39:54 is it slow or being changed? 2011-06-15T00:40:01 lbt_nur: sloooow 2011-06-15T00:40:02 ali1234: is it normal for the n900 to sit quiet? 2011-06-15T00:40:06 *** boiko has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:40:08 *** milliams has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:40:20 term is busy 2011-06-15T00:40:25 *** ced117 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:40:26 but no output 2011-06-15T00:40:37 Saviq: not here... 2011-06-15T00:40:56 lbt_nur: though it was me, but all the other *.meego.com seem to work fine 2011-06-15T00:40:58 *** Richrd has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:41:08 lbt_nur: it's fine if it's just me 2011-06-15T00:41:30 * lbt_nur wishes our external monitoring in IT was in better shape 2011-06-15T00:41:43 but it's not high on the prio 2011-06-15T00:42:22 npm: ok, i installed the jre rpm, java still doesn't work in chromium though 2011-06-15T00:42:35 it just says "missing plugin" 2011-06-15T00:44:13 ohkay, anyone managed to get additional libraries into SDK sysroot? tried `mad-admin xrpm`, but it seems repo.meego.com uses some rpm cpio format that's unsupported in madde :/ 2011-06-15T00:45:42 *** boiko_ is now known as boiko 2011-06-15T00:47:41 aaaaand... finally got it working 2011-06-15T00:48:21 *** setanta has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:49:20 Saviq: that is kinda lame :/ 2011-06-15T00:49:43 alterego: kinda 2011-06-15T00:49:51 *** admiral0 has left #meego 2011-06-15T00:49:55 alterego: fortunately there are other (documented) ways 2011-06-15T00:50:24 Nice :) 2011-06-15T00:51:45 *** pmcgowan has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:56:09 *** Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk 2011-06-15T00:57:09 *** drussell has joined #meego 2011-06-15T00:57:34 *** eti has quit IRC 2011-06-15T00:58:39 npm: netalyzr detects 820 ms buffer latency 2011-06-15T00:58:54 but in some applications the lag is more like 8 seconds 2011-06-15T00:59:58 *** amarsman has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:00:13 *** billmania has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:02:08 *** mufumbo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:03:01 ali1234: you're looking at network performance? 2011-06-15T01:03:12 not really no 2011-06-15T01:03:16 this is not meego related 2011-06-15T01:03:22 it's my ISP 2011-06-15T01:03:25 Oh, m'kay 2011-06-15T01:03:34 http://forum.demon.net/topic/world-of-warcraft-latency-issues 2011-06-15T01:03:45 You play warcraft? 2011-06-15T01:03:47 loltency. 2011-06-15T01:03:48 i don't play WoW - their broken packet shaper is affecting all kinds of things 2011-06-15T01:03:56 Ah, m'kat ;) 2011-06-15T01:04:01 ~m'kay .. 2011-06-15T01:04:01 but the WoW players are the most vocal :) 2011-06-15T01:04:10 *** Kaskuka has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:04:13 Heh 2011-06-15T01:04:14 *** luck_laptop has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:04:24 *** Shanita has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:04:35 so i'm just trying to pin down exactly what it does and does not affect so that i can raise a ticket that they can't just fix by whitelisting one IP address 2011-06-15T01:04:51 *** billyjam has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:05:10 *** dneary has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:05:10 *** dneary has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:06:32 *** smoku has left #meego 2011-06-15T01:07:32 *** mitsutaka has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:07:57 Wouldn't that be a good thing? 2011-06-15T01:08:00 *** anab1s has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:08:10 I found with my previous ISP, they didn't limit SSH, 2011-06-15T01:08:12 what do you mean? 2011-06-15T01:08:15 yes, same here 2011-06-15T01:08:23 *** Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq 2011-06-15T01:08:25 if i tunnel the affected programs through ssh, there is no latency 2011-06-15T01:08:30 So I used to download large files to a remote server, then SCP them to my local network :) 2011-06-15T01:08:33 i even posted to that affect on the forum thread 2011-06-15T01:08:45 Heh, they should all setup a proxy? :) 2011-06-15T01:08:49 ali1234: Presumably you're not going through the affected hops in that case. 2011-06-15T01:08:56 yes, i posted a link to how to run WoW over ssh 2011-06-15T01:09:07 SpeedEvil: no, same server, different protocol 2011-06-15T01:09:08 Heh 2011-06-15T01:09:42 but the thing is 2011-06-15T01:10:27 well, whitelisting on a per IP basis is not going to help me 2011-06-15T01:10:34 it will fix it for the WoW players 2011-06-15T01:10:40 but i don't play WoW, so i'm not helped 2011-06-15T01:10:47 unless they whitelist every IP address ever 2011-06-15T01:10:58 but then i might as well just ask them to turn off their packet shaper 2011-06-15T01:11:03 which they clearly are not going to do 2011-06-15T01:11:13 * SpeedEvil parts the channel. "At least I have chicken" 2011-06-15T01:11:59 *** milliams has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:13:15 so basically i need to figure out how to raise the problem as a fault that perfectly matches what the packet shaper does 2011-06-15T01:13:20 *** magnetic has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:13:26 that way they can't refuse to fix it, and they can't fix it without fixing it for everyone 2011-06-15T01:13:54 but to do that i need to figure out what the shaper is actually doing 2011-06-15T01:14:36 ali1234: I remember that plusnet actually sets TOS bbyte on packets going through the shaper, so you can see the clas 2011-06-15T01:14:37 s 2011-06-15T01:15:04 this seems to only affect outgoing packets 2011-06-15T01:15:24 but i will check that out 2011-06-15T01:15:27 That seems, odd. 2011-06-15T01:15:40 *** dneary has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:15:40 You're async right? 2011-06-15T01:15:46 yes 2011-06-15T01:15:49 ADSL 2011-06-15T01:15:56 ali1234: Does the same happen to other pservers if you use WoW packets? 2011-06-15T01:16:04 *** hugopl has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:16:23 i dunno, i don't know what WoW packets are 2011-06-15T01:21:16 I should probably head to bed soon. 2011-06-15T01:21:45 *** jophish has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:22:21 *** Venemo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:22:55 *** alvaro__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:23:01 *** jophish has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:24:50 *** lbt_nur has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:24:50 *** dchaverri26 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:26:19 *** berndhs has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:26:41 *** berndhs has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:27:41 *** Vortiago_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:27:58 *** Vortiago has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:31:40 *** mitsutaka has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:34:13 *** anab1s has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:36:57 *** phl0x81 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:38:45 *** rb__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:42:01 *** mitsutaka has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:43:12 *** tackat has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:46:29 *** Atarii has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:48:01 *** mortenvp has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:48:14 *** lcuk2 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:48:27 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:48:34 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/06/developer-economics-2011-winners-and-losers-in-the-platform-race/ 2011-06-15T01:48:34 *** lcuk has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:48:41 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:48:41 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:48:47 *** lcuk has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:48:52 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:49:03 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:49:15 Rather positive press coverage of MeeGo. Big up to DawnFoster and qgil, who are implicitly praised by the article author. 2011-06-15T01:49:16 *** phaeron has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:49:30 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:49:33 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:49:43 *** lcuk2 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:49:46 *** lcuk3 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:49:53 *** [XeN] has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:50:17 *** lcuk has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:50:18 *** lcuk2 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:50:19 *** lcuk3 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:50:26 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:50:26 *** lcuk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:51:06 *** MeeGoExperts has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:52:16 Ah, and I shouldn't neglect to mention Bob Spencer and texrat as well. You guys are doing a great job. 2011-06-15T01:52:40 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:57:01 *** TSCHAKeee has quit IRC 2011-06-15T01:57:21 *** TSCHAKeee has joined #meego 2011-06-15T01:58:10 *** anab1s has joined #meego 2011-06-15T02:00:05 *** dgc03052 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T02:02:41 *** MeeGoExperts has quit IRC 2011-06-15T02:03:46 *** billyjam has joined #meego 2011-06-15T02:06:48 *** sofar has quit IRC 2011-06-15T02:08:15 *** vblazquez has quit IRC 2011-06-15T02:09:35 *** I-C-Wiener has quit IRC 2011-06-15T02:10:20 *** mwichmann has joined #meego 2011-06-15T02:13:48 *** puffin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T02:14:29 the article talks about JavaME being abandoned... and doesn't mention Oracle pushing http://javafx.com/ these days 2011-06-15T02:17:51 *** DawnFoster has quit IRC 2011-06-15T02:18:46 *** TSCHAKeee has left #meego 2011-06-15T02:20:32 *** Mohammad- has joined #meego 2011-06-15T02:20:56 *** TSCHAKeee has joined #meego 2011-06-15T02:21:47 *** puffin has quit IRC 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2011-06-15T07:36:41 \o 2011-06-15T07:38:43 in looking at some of the maemo tools, I came across xresponse 2011-06-15T07:39:06 I think it can measure how long it takes for an app to start, but I can't seem to get it to do what I want 2011-06-15T07:39:13 anybody with experience in such things in the house? 2011-06-15T07:39:21 *** yanli has joined #meego 2011-06-15T07:42:43 i think n900 ce people have measured the times, but not sure what they have used 2011-06-15T07:43:22 I vaguely remember it's somehing that LD_PRELOADS the app, and then watches for GTK calls 2011-06-15T07:43:28 window calls, rather 2011-06-15T07:43:36 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2011-06-15T07:44:11 *** yanshuang has joined #meego 2011-06-15T07:48:10 *** niku_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T07:48:37 from the README, it talks about damage events 2011-06-15T07:51:01 *** Dr_Who has quit IRC 2011-06-15T07:51:27 Initially the WM maps the window, and then sends the app a damage event, telling it to paint the window - I think 2011-06-15T07:51:38 But it's been a while since I've read it. 2011-06-15T07:52:55 yah 2011-06-15T07:55:26 bbl... i think... 2011-06-15T07:55:30 *** Jay_BEE has quit IRC 2011-06-15T07:56:27 *** jlamadon has joined #meego 2011-06-15T07:56:57 *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:05:11 *** Kaz__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:05:36 *** Kaz__ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:06:44 *** zchydem has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:06:53 *** phunguy has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:07:51 *** balor has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:09:06 *** phunguy has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:10:42 *** reed has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:14:16 *** thiagoss has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:17:31 *** TheOpenSourcerer has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:19:04 *** amarsman has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:19:28 *** fatal- has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:19:55 *** Vudentz has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:20:03 *** swc|666 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:20:32 *** phunguy has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:21:11 *** kaitlin_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:21:21 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stock qmltube (old version) to me 2011-06-15T08:40:57 good point... because i just dropped the existing source code in and made it work 2011-06-15T08:41:03 it is 2011-06-15T08:41:29 GonzoTheGreat: is there a newer version? 2011-06-15T08:41:36 maemo doesn't have meego ux component 2011-06-15T08:41:43 *** maxw has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:42:23 Are you using qmltube (qml) ore cutetube (python)? 2011-06-15T08:43:07 i just grabbed http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/q/qmltube/qmltube_0.6.5.tar.gz and started hacking 2011-06-15T08:43:22 not much hacking actully, just some reparenting 2011-06-15T08:43:59 I am running qmltube-0.9.8! 2011-06-15T08:44:02 so if there's a newer version or a git repo i don't know about pls let me know i found it here http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/qmltube/0.6.5/ 2011-06-15T08:44:10 (doh!) 2011-06-15T08:44:14 where from? 2011-06-15T08:44:14 toolbar is quite different 2011-06-15T08:44:42 yeah the comments/related tabs don't work for example 2011-06-15T08:44:46 just extras-devel via package manager. 2011-06-15T08:45:00 they didn't in orig version but if there's a 0.9.8... 2011-06-15T08:45:11 Also got the source in scratchbox 2011-06-15T08:45:17 same version 2011-06-15T08:45:54 *** tomeu has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:46:08 *** ced117 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:46:08 *** ced117 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:46:11 The latest version has qtmultimedia playback as well 2011-06-15T08:47:08 cool. well i didn't do much work. 2011-06-15T08:47:30 i was trying to figure it out, then i decided to let qml figure it out for me and fix errors till i got things running 2011-06-15T08:47:44 and i got things running in short while 2011-06-15T08:48:43 IMHO it is the best qml-based program around. Quite snappy even on the old dog ;) 2011-06-15T08:49:04 /var/run/obs/worker/1/build/build: line 1259: 13235 Segmentation fault      umount $BUILD_ROOT 2011-06-15T08:49:24 nice(TM) 2011-06-15T08:49:24 yes, i started doing my own in pure qml, and was reminded by villev (hi ville) about cutetube qml being available in source 2011-06-15T08:49:53 :) 2011-06-15T08:50:34 Have dabbled myself. Only desktop widgets so far though. Never got enough time to do something bigger. 2011-06-15T08:50:35 mine is a lot more concise ( http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/ytapi-jsonviewer/ ) 2011-06-15T08:51:02 *** andyross has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:51:04 and probably runs faster in some situations since it uses JSON API 2011-06-15T08:51:33 (on n900, feed-reading seems to spend a lot of time garbage collecting in qml) 2011-06-15T08:52:04 UX performance seems much better than other applications e.g. kasvopus etc 2011-06-15T08:52:25 *** trupheenix has quit IRC 2011-06-15T08:52:51 yeah it works nicely even on n900, but then again so does my json viewer, other than firing up flash to display the vids 2011-06-15T08:54:03 so anyways i figured it's a good program to build for the tablet, and a cute-tube based panel would improve http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meego-ux-panels-youtube.png 2011-06-15T08:55:20 so the panel is based your code? 2011-06-15T08:55:47 same deal, a quick rip through my existing code to see if it would work in panel context 2011-06-15T08:56:05 nice 2011-06-15T08:56:19 but then do i want to spend tome reinventing wheel or can i just frob cutetube into a panel 2011-06-15T08:56:32 decided i can, but would first run cutetube as an app 2011-06-15T08:56:44 to see if anything else weird came up first 2011-06-15T08:57:12 *** kidproquo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:57:59 *** kontio has joined #meego 2011-06-15T08:58:05 I think the trouble is handcrafted qml<-> qml components<->meego ux components 2011-06-15T08:58:44 but i have other stuff i want to do so leveraging as much of cutetube would be better 2011-06-15T08:59:09 *** TheOpenSourcerer has left #meego 2011-06-15T08:59:32 meego ux components are handcrafted qml ;P 2011-06-15T08:59:44 or sort of anyway 2011-06-15T08:59:54 How do you write something which works (intergrates) on maemo/symbian/meego-ux 2011-06-15T09:00:03 well that's true, but the problem is on the tablet, if you don't wrap it w/ appropriate parent windows then it hoses up the tablet ux 2011-06-15T09:00:14 *** rcherian has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:00:21 *** clbr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:00:24 for example running plain cutetube-qml runs a full-window which prevents window switching 2011-06-15T09:01:15 Is that what qml components were for? 2011-06-15T09:01:26 well what i think is needed is an abstraction class that lets you write the same parent and wrapping to target whatever platform 2011-06-15T09:01:35 so you don't have to keep rewrapping for different uxes 2011-06-15T09:02:14 but beyond that a "widget set" is needed along with CDE-like standards of behavior for the desktop, translated to the tablet world 2011-06-15T09:02:31 But there aren't consistent implementation of Qt.components yet?! 2011-06-15T09:03:00 *** vblazquez has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:03:08 (ultimately, i don't want to think about transitions and visual fluff, i want to use whatever is appropriate for the device) 2011-06-15T09:03:10 I thought e.g. the implementation Window would handle this 2011-06-15T09:03:24 have the device be my fluffer :-) 2011-06-15T09:03:27 implementation of Window 2011-06-15T09:03:32 yeah, it does 2011-06-15T09:04:14 So are meego ux components compatible with Qt.components? 2011-06-15T09:04:36 *** armika has quit IRC 2011-06-15T09:04:39 They are different includes right now, aren't they? 2011-06-15T09:04:55 *** araujo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T09:05:09 *** raster has quit IRC 2011-06-15T09:05:16 a quick look, it's a superset? 2011-06-15T09:05:31 *** zgyarmati has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:05:34 well basically i had to get rid of Window and reparent w/ MeeGo.Window 2011-06-15T09:05:36 MeeGo.Window { // see: ~/qtquick/ux/meego-ux-components/src/components/ux/Window.qml 2011-06-15T09:05:54 Which I think is bad. 2011-06-15T09:05:59 and MeeGo.AppPage { // see: ~/qtquick/ux/meego-ux-components/src/components/ux/AppPage.qml 2011-06-15T09:06:13 *** ced117 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T09:06:17 *** araujo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:06:26 i do too, but i'm just playing software DJ with the beat someone else chose 2011-06-15T09:07:03 trying not to have a software trainwreck in the process 2011-06-15T09:07:16 Well I was planning to do qml components for maemo, the lack of clarity however means I haven't started yet. 2011-06-15T09:08:19 ah... well i'm basically using the tablet ux because i don't like wasting time doing stuff that should be trivial like popping up a dialog box 2011-06-15T09:09:28 *** ced117 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:09:35 *** ced117 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T09:09:35 *** ced117 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:09:38 or making a selector, etc... so once Components are ready and I see apps being built w/ them, i'll give em a try 2011-06-15T09:10:00 too true 2011-06-15T09:10:07 *** sree has joined #meego 2011-06-15T09:10:47 I think that is the main problem at the moment. However if meego ux is different again there is no point. 2011-06-15T09:11:08 y'all haven't made very good progress in the last 20 years, given where i was at 20 years ago: http://nielsmayer.com/p45-mayer.pdf 2011-06-15T09:12:03 aka qml developed in the right language :-) 2011-06-15T09:12:48 * GonzoTheGreat thinks flame war is near 2011-06-15T09:12:57 nah, i 2011-06-15T09:13:07 m done w/ language wars. all hail javascript 2011-06-15T09:13:59 *** e-yes has quit IRC 2011-06-15T09:14:23 but there are a lot of steps backwards taken, in tablet-UX... it's like X10 all over again 2011-06-15T09:14:36 waltone: who is ther any cooparetaion (left) between meego components and qt.components? 2011-06-15T09:14:39 putting the window management functionality into the app 2011-06-15T09:14:54 * GonzoTheGreat should learn typing 2011-06-15T09:16:05 or the fact that my app spends time burbling about which neighbors wireless connections are going on/offline so as to draw the icon when it disconnects 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2011-06-15T12:46:35 * alterego sighs 2011-06-15T12:46:43 thiago: wahts about the teasers and so much buzz on the net ?? 2011-06-15T12:47:15 ashwinipatankar: Keep an eye on Endgadget. You will learn news a lot faster there than here. 2011-06-15T12:47:26 hy all. I have a small problem related to OBS, but maybe you can help: I recently had to move my OBS machines to a new location, so the IP's changed. I've updated the configuration files, and now OBS works ok - workers do builds, I can checkout and update packages (by API), but when I try to commit a change (using API) I get a server time out. Any clues? 2011-06-15T12:47:30 ashwinipatankar: rumours. 2011-06-15T12:47:37 *** achipa has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:47:37 *** achipa has quit IRC 2011-06-15T12:47:37 *** achipa has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:47:49 ashwinipatankar: and given past track record, they had a hit rate of less than 50%. 2011-06-15T12:47:54 thiago: :( 2011-06-15T12:48:06 * thiago remembers all the discussions on what processor platform the Nokia MeeGo device will have. 2011-06-15T12:48:10 *** gabor_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:48:57 it will have a quantum processor and kittens with lasers for eyes 2011-06-15T12:49:12 And it can turn into a submarine 2011-06-15T12:49:27 * thiago wants one of those 2011-06-15T12:49:32 *** ericlr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:49:57 We all want one :) 2011-06-15T12:50:16 was Mx switched to an other toolkit or is UX still using Mx? 2011-06-15T12:50:31 It will swap to the perforated tape. 2011-06-15T12:50:37 luisbg: netbook uses it but tablet uses qml 2011-06-15T12:50:39 luisbg: the netbook UX is using Mx (I think) 2011-06-15T12:50:44 Swapping to EMMC just wasn't good enough... 2011-06-15T12:50:49 the others use QML 2011-06-15T12:50:55 thiago, and Stskeeps, thanks for the info 2011-06-15T12:51:15 The netbook UX uses gtk 2011-06-15T12:51:24 BTW, is IVI interface done entirely in QML now? How about MeegoTV? 2011-06-15T12:51:38 Handset is the only platform (1.1-1.2) that uses MeeGo Touch Framework. 2011-06-15T12:51:43 1.3 will be all MeeGo UX 2011-06-15T12:51:47 alterego, so gtk + Mx, or just gtk? 2011-06-15T12:52:00 luisbg: afaik, netbook is just gtk 2011-06-15T12:52:20 Though it has Qt installed too, it's just the UX is Gtk+ based. 2011-06-15T12:54:49 *** alextai has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:54:57 *** thiago has quit IRC 2011-06-15T12:55:35 *** alextai has quit IRC 2011-06-15T12:55:38 One more time: IVI and MeegoTV seem to have most developed UXs nowadays. Are they using QML or something else? 2011-06-15T12:55:46 *** mauricelynch has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:56:01 *** alextai has joined #meego 2011-06-15T12:56:55 RST38h: I think at least IVI is QML, MeeGo TV is either QML or they're migrating (from talking to people at the conference that is my impression). 2011-06-15T12:57:00 *** alextai has quit IRC 2011-06-15T12:57:17 Aha =) 2011-06-15T13:00:51 *** drussell has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:01:01 *** thiagoss has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:01:23 *** mikhailz has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:02:01 *** smogzer has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:02:05 *** javiF has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:03:10 *** Zahra has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:03:53 *** sirdancealot has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:06:20 *** yanshuang has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:07:36 *** Zahra has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:08:33 *** ericlr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:08:44 *** sirdancealot has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:12:32 *** delac has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:13:17 *** lynxis_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:14:15 is there any convenient way to integrate Qt-application to the netbook toolbar? 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2011-06-15T13:33:27 :P 2011-06-15T13:33:29 *** gbraad has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:33:32 :) 2011-06-15T13:33:49 *** gbraad has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:34:03 possible to get remote access using the rescue Initrd? 2011-06-15T13:34:11 i tried yesterday 2011-06-15T13:34:31 but i cant seem to connect over ssh or telnet 2011-06-15T13:34:55 i can get networking working between the laptop and the n900 using it 2011-06-15T13:35:04 like i can ping it, but nothing else 2011-06-15T13:35:21 it answers to ping? 2011-06-15T13:35:30 yes 2011-06-15T13:35:35 but how can i get remote access? 2011-06-15T13:35:40 ssh should work 2011-06-15T13:35:46 rescue initrd won't have ssh 2011-06-15T13:35:53 ah 2011-06-15T13:35:53 the recovery terminal is useless 2011-06-15T13:36:01 you cant tip commands 2011-06-15T13:36:05 also, what rescue initrd? 2011-06-15T13:36:05 :P 2011-06-15T13:36:14 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd 2011-06-15T13:36:20 type* 2011-06-15T13:36:21 Stskeeps: it's the thing we based our emmc installer on :) 2011-06-15T13:36:30 achipa, which ML are you winning on? 2011-06-15T13:36:38 user0: that doesn't have a telnetd i think 2011-06-15T13:36:46 Sage: do we have a telnetd on initrd? 2011-06-15T13:36:52 timoph : what port is the sshd running on ? 2011-06-15T13:37:09 Stskeeps: I don't think so 2011-06-15T13:37:18 Sage: so why do we have usb networking? :P 2011-06-15T13:37:19 user0: not actually sure that it has it after thinking about it a bit 2011-06-15T13:37:35 Stskeeps : exactly 2011-06-15T13:37:52 Stskeeps: well, I used it from console to outside ;) 2011-06-15T13:37:56 user0: anyway, you should be able to start a shell and manually start busybox telnetd 2011-06-15T13:38:02 not from outside to device :) 2011-06-15T13:38:08 *** kaitlin_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:38:09 user0: i believe 2011-06-15T13:38:22 *** nizeguy has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:38:25 user0: also, feel free to file bug reports on bugs.meego.com or send patches 2011-06-15T13:38:36 *** lamikr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:39:02 *** smogzer has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:39:16 i'd spend the day reporting bugs 2011-06-15T13:39:24 sounds good 2011-06-15T13:39:25 *** lamikr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:39:25 please do :) 2011-06-15T13:39:33 i just want to get this thing workig atm 2011-06-15T13:39:35 :) 2011-06-15T13:39:38 that's more likely to get things working, so 2011-06-15T13:39:41 *** kaitlin_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:39:58 i'm trying to build gnome-screesaver from sources, but it says: + %reconfigure --with-xscreensaverdir=/usr/share/xscreensaver/config --with-xscreensaverhackdir=/usr/libexec/xscreensaver --with-mit-screensaver=no /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UfL1mE: line 28: fg: no job control - spec wasn't changed. broken srpm? 2011-06-15T13:40:35 *** jargon- has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:41:07 Stskeeps : so are you sure it has a telnetd ? 2011-06-15T13:41:33 user0: not 100%, but open a shell with the physical keyboard and ./busybox 2011-06-15T13:41:34 er 2011-06-15T13:41:36 'busybox' 2011-06-15T13:41:45 *** drussell has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:41:57 user0: what are you trying to do anyway? 2011-06-15T13:42:37 echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): 2011-06-15T13:42:54 thas all i wana do 2011-06-15T13:43:31 *** xoanm has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:43:44 *** drussell has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:44:16 what is the best way to integrate Qt applications to the Meego netbook UX? Any way to make them as toolbar panels? 2011-06-15T13:44:17 okay, so you're trying to hack the lock_code and that's a tad suspicious ;) put that line on a sd card, mount it and sh it from the shell 2011-06-15T13:44:33 *** ferenc has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:44:42 :) 2011-06-15T13:44:46 thats not possible 2011-06-15T13:44:59 sure it is 2011-06-15T13:45:05 i cant mount it 2011-06-15T13:45:20 i cant type stuff like / or . or - or numbers using the recovery terminal 2011-06-15T13:45:52 anyway, bbl 2011-06-15T13:45:55 (got a phonecall) 2011-06-15T13:46:03 :D 2011-06-15T13:46:22 *** kW_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:46:29 initrd wasn't exactly made for hacking the lock code, but honestly, save yourself some trouble, flash uboot and boot meego from a microsd card instead 2011-06-15T13:46:37 much easier 2011-06-15T13:46:58 *** lamikr_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:47:00 *** lamikr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:47:09 has a sshd open 2011-06-15T13:47:26 i'll read about that 2011-06-15T13:47:27 thx 2011-06-15T13:49:42 delac, you will need to use the API for those panels 2011-06-15T13:50:48 *** ericlr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:51:07 *** PeterMeng has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:51:10 Venemo: any documents on that? or tutorials? 2011-06-15T13:51:42 *** glin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:52:06 *** foolano has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:52:29 *** lizardo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:52:35 Stskeeps, accessing the rootfs is more involved than with the rescue initrd 2011-06-15T13:52:42 delac, you could look at the sources of the other panels 2011-06-15T13:52:58 delac, http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux/ 2011-06-15T13:53:24 Venemo: I think they are all gtk or clutter based... 2011-06-15T13:53:39 *** Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq 2011-06-15T13:53:48 *** Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk 2011-06-15T13:53:50 delac, I meant, look at how they make themselves a meego panel 2011-06-15T13:54:08 *** baraujo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:54:28 * user0 is lost 2011-06-15T13:54:40 *** tbf has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:54:47 Stskeeps : where should is start ? 2011-06-15T13:54:50 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch 2011-06-15T13:55:10 *** x_O has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:55:42 *** drussell has quit IRC 2011-06-15T13:56:13 I* 2011-06-15T13:56:25 *** drussell has joined #meego 2011-06-15T13:56:28 delac, I think you will need to use MplPanelClient - http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux/mutter-meego/blobs/master/libmeego-panel/docs/README 2011-06-15T13:56:39 give me the wiki pages i'll need to read to get what you had in mind done. 2011-06-15T13:57:05 found some guide regarding uboot being installed using the application manager , but thats not gona be useful 2011-06-15T13:57:29 since i dont have access to anything. the lock code is asked at boot 2011-06-15T13:58:01 Venemo: yes, but that seems to be either gtk or clutter based applications. 2011-06-15T13:58:45 delac, so make your own MplPanelClient subclass for Qt or use it directly for your app 2011-06-15T13:59:17 lcuk: as the title said, qt5-feedback 2011-06-15T13:59:48 Venemo: you think using that directly from othervise Qt based application would work nicely? 2011-06-15T14:00:16 delac, yes, I'm sure of it. 2011-06-15T14:00:48 delac, although you will definitely need to dig into the code of the existing implementations to see how it works 2011-06-15T14:01:22 achipa, thanks, have signed up 2011-06-15T14:01:36 http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt5-feedback/2011-June/thread.html 2011-06-15T14:01:38 delac, at the time that API was designed (Moblin times), Qt was not yet considered 2011-06-15T14:02:13 in a long distant time 1048 BQ 2011-06-15T14:02:15 lcuk, great :) 2011-06-15T14:02:30 lcuk, you could add your thoughts to my thoughts about lambdas in that list 2011-06-15T14:02:45 not really I cannot 2011-06-15T14:02:55 why not? 2011-06-15T14:03:07 because I didn't even know you were on the list 2011-06-15T14:03:38 and lambdas remind me more of half-life than coding 2011-06-15T14:04:11 I might know more with more coffee though 2011-06-15T14:04:25 lcuk, from your link, I found this: http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt5-feedback/2011-June/000536.html 2011-06-15T14:05:34 *** jsv has left #meego 2011-06-15T14:05:36 I know, I am reading it now 2011-06-15T14:05:41 *** jsv has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:06:13 *** bergie has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:06:43 *** tbf has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:10:31 *** x_O has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:10:45 *** TheBootroo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:11:28 *** rrp has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:11:45 *** rrp has left #meego 2011-06-15T14:12:22 *** TheBootroo has left #meego 2011-06-15T14:12:41 *** TheBootroo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:12:44 *** notmart has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:12:44 *** notmart has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:13:16 *** thiago has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:13:24 . 2011-06-15T14:13:35 hello 2011-06-15T14:14:13 is there a way to test the meego tablet ux directly on my stock Ubuntu 11.04 32bit with Qt4.7.3 ? 2011-06-15T14:15:32 i can't achieve to compile it from gitorious there are too many crossing dependancies 2011-06-15T14:15:48 could you please tell me a quite simple method to get a running menu + panels + compositor + some simple apps (contacts, calendar and mail e.g.) 2011-06-15T14:15:50 thx 2011-06-15T14:15:56 TheBootroo, then resolve the dependencies and it will work 2011-06-15T14:16:07 or download the image and try it from there 2011-06-15T14:16:50 the meego ux is part of meego, it would be worrysome if it did not require bits of meego to build! 2011-06-15T14:18:16 lcuk: i can't test image since i dont have atom neither intel graphics, i want only the qt/qml apps on my linux laptop 2011-06-15T14:18:16 and i can't find missing deps 2011-06-15T14:18:51 lcuk: the only difference between meego and other linux are some qt made libs 2011-06-15T14:18:55 *** jluisn has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:19:01 so i would be able to get it run under ubuntu 2011-06-15T14:19:23 i want to load meego UX just like gnome or kde , from the gdm screen 2011-06-15T14:19:39 i know how to add it to gdm but it can't achieve compilation 2011-06-15T14:20:02 *** naba has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:20:42 how to dl all src packages from one command ? (apt is handling this very well : you ask for a src packages and it downloads it and all src deps, is there the same with RPM ? ) 2011-06-15T14:22:47 i was thinking there could be a PPA with precompiled meego apps for ubuntu (directely in .DEB) but there is none (surprising... am i the first one wanting to awesome MeegO panels on a classic distro with all my usual programs ?) 2011-06-15T14:23:41 no, afaik some folks from debian have been tinkering 2011-06-15T14:23:59 ask there to see how far they have gotten with meego ux components 2011-06-15T14:24:14 there is that : http://confusingdevelopers.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/intels-qt-quick-components-available-for-ubuntu/ 2011-06-15T14:24:29 but is this sufficient to run meego panels and menu ? 2011-06-15T14:25:44 TheBootroo, speciffically which dependencies are missing 2011-06-15T14:27:03 i dont remember, a big number, so i get 'libmeegotouch', 'mthemedaemon', 'contextkit','libseaside' and a bunch of others but some didn't compiled because of missing others deps 2011-06-15T14:27:45 have you ever "ported" applications from outside ubuntu into ubuntu? 2011-06-15T14:28:21 yes, starting by maemo apps 2011-06-15T14:28:37 with maemo specific code 2011-06-15T14:29:03 is there a faster way than http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/NFS#Installing_NFS_server to get remote access ? 2011-06-15T14:29:06 *** ashwinipatankar has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:29:10 i've even created replacement qt classes for maemo's message box, stacked windows and notification banners.... 2011-06-15T14:29:11 *** javiF has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:29:14 *** Atarii has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:29:15 i dont need meego installed i just need a remote shell 2011-06-15T14:29:29 or some recovery terminal that works 2011-06-15T14:29:53 Then why are you here? 2011-06-15T14:30:01 lcuk: the https://launchpad.net/~forumnokia/+archive/fn-ppa repos is no more updated 2011-06-15T14:30:16 user0: well you need to boot something. Like Stskeeps said the easy way is to boot meego from sd (you can load the kernel without using uboot) 2011-06-15T14:30:49 TheBootroo, ask around ubuntu if there are others working, normally porting whole ux will be bigger than porting individual apps 2011-06-15T14:30:56 you might find a team already working on it 2011-06-15T14:31:06 you can find all the needed info to get it running from the wiki 2011-06-15T14:31:27 but i thought that OBS was made to produce different kinds of packages automatically, so why doesn't it build .deb packages of meego x86 packages ? 2011-06-15T14:31:41 TheBootroo: because there's this thing called packaging? 2011-06-15T14:32:16 *** sraue has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:32:20 it still needs the packaging script and afaik the community obs doesn't do debs atm 2011-06-15T14:32:28 lcuk: "porting whole ux will be bigger than porting individual apps" : but we can't port only apps since they need the whole ux to run (i saw many meego only qml classes used in meego-panels E.G.) 2011-06-15T14:32:53 Stskeeps: what do you mean ? 2011-06-15T14:33:02 TheBootroo: as in manual work to make debian/ dirs is needed 2011-06-15T14:33:12 alterego : im here just to piss you off :P 2011-06-15T14:33:12 the basis info for .deb are the same than for .rpm 2011-06-15T14:33:27 Stskeeps: true ? 2011-06-15T14:33:32 *** Weasel_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:33:43 yes, but dependancy names are different and a lot of small details 2011-06-15T14:33:45 it isn't 1:1 2011-06-15T14:33:50 user0: please behave then, we're trying to be helpful, so don't be lazy :) 2011-06-15T14:33:55 Stskeeps: i didn't know : when i generate .deb package from qt project for my N900 it's wuite straitforward 2011-06-15T14:34:02 timoph : i was hoping the rescue Initrd was the solution 2011-06-15T14:34:17 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:34:21 *quite 2011-06-15T14:35:08 Stskeeps: qtcreator automatically generates enough information to build a correct .deb package from a single .pro file 2011-06-15T14:35:22 *** Mikecomputing has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:35:23 TheBootroo: yes, but that only works for a subset 2011-06-15T14:35:26 Stskeeps: i mean, qtcreator from Qt Nokia SDk 2011-06-15T14:35:27 *** Mikecomputing has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:35:35 Stskeeps: that's too bad 2011-06-15T14:35:58 i really want to use MeeGO UX but i don't have the right hardware 2011-06-15T14:36:21 * alterego sighs 2011-06-15T14:36:29 so at least if a qt apps running on my ubuntu box they will use existing graphics acceleration( nvidia 9600M GT) 2011-06-15T14:36:35 * Stskeeps looks around for a beer 2011-06-15T14:36:49 * TheBootroo gives Stskeeps a bear :p 2011-06-15T14:36:56 * lcuk runs to the bar and grabs a crateful 2011-06-15T14:36:58 grrrr 2011-06-15T14:37:19 TheBootroo, it is understandable, go and find out how far the debian folks have gotten 2011-06-15T14:37:26 you might be asking questions already answered 2011-06-15T14:37:28 Teeheehee 2011-06-15T14:37:56 you can stop laughing alterego :P 2011-06-15T14:38:01 lcuk: you mean debians guys from a regular debian channel or some special meego/debian channel ? 2011-06-15T14:38:06 where is the package for qtcontacts import :P 2011-06-15T14:38:18 TheBootroo, I don't know where thye hang out 2011-06-15T14:38:20 *** chpadhi has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:38:28 but afaik there is a "meego on debian" project of some ilk 2011-06-15T14:38:40 In my pub obs, still lacking the script. 2011-06-15T14:38:42 but since I am concentrating on meego on meego have not watched too much 2011-06-15T14:38:58 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:39:03 I'm gonna rename the package so I can add the script to it making it maemo import specific. 2011-06-15T14:39:09 *** maheshk_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:39:09 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:39:26 *** Diod has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:39:28 alterego, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement/ContactsImportScript 2011-06-15T14:39:33 wish i had my laptop with me today 2011-06-15T14:39:35 *** Diod has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:39:35 *** Diod has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:39:40 all i have here at work is winxp 2011-06-15T14:39:41 but Stskeeps aren't you responsible of meego for N900 ? since that you must know how to build .deb packages from meego OBS ? 2011-06-15T14:40:05 very basic and you were talking about moving the mounting to somewhere else, I am at outstretched end of my knowledge here and hoping you can do the technical stuff :$ 2011-06-15T14:40:09 iekku: good morning! 2011-06-15T14:40:09 even if the method is hard, i'm developer and linux user i can use CLI, i just want instructions 2011-06-15T14:40:10 TheBootroo: yes, and i don't have to do debian packaging in my work. it makes me really happy. 2011-06-15T14:40:11 i guess all this will have to wait untill im back at home :( 2011-06-15T14:40:13 *** maheshk has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:40:13 :P 2011-06-15T14:40:39 lcuk: I'll have it done by the end of the day. 2011-06-15T14:40:43 stskeeps : do you recommend this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/NFS#Installing_NFS_server ? 2011-06-15T14:40:52 alterego, wonderful :$ 2011-06-15T14:40:53 user0: no, just use a microsd card and save yourself a lot of power 2011-06-15T14:40:58 and time 2011-06-15T14:41:06 none at hand 2011-06-15T14:41:16 then you'll have to wait 2011-06-15T14:41:18 but that should work , no ? 2011-06-15T14:41:24 gabrbedd, :D 2011-06-15T14:41:34 user0: haven't tested it for ages 2011-06-15T14:42:04 *** tackat has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:42:22 the results cant be as bad as using the rescue Initrd :P 2011-06-15T14:42:39 Stskeeps: where can i download an updated MeeGoDE for N900 with tablet UX ? if i can't test it on my desktop, maybe i can get some recent image for my n900, 2011-06-15T14:42:51 TheBootroo: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 2011-06-15T14:43:14 and http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/ 2011-06-15T14:43:19 for the images themselves 2011-06-15T14:43:42 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:44:00 Stskeeps: you mean http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/TabletUX i know this page but i dont see the DE image link in it.... 2011-06-15T14:44:08 *** sraue has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:44:16 th^^ 2011-06-15T14:44:35 daily and weekly testing include n900-de handset and tablet builds 2011-06-15T14:45:58 lcuk: each folder i look in for meego recent iamges doesn't contains tablet image and even some times no handset image only some log file or xml one 2011-06-15T14:46:27 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.4.20110613.2.DE.2011-06-15.1/images/mg-tablet-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ 2011-06-15T14:46:40 curious because I just started downloading that a little bit ago 2011-06-15T14:47:17 *** MooseTheBrown has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:47:20 lcuk: sry i checked just 4 days ago and the most recent i found was 24 may dated ! 2011-06-15T14:47:47 *** MooseTheBrown has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:47:51 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:48:47 well 4 days ago would make it the 11th 2011-06-15T14:48:49 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110609.2.DE.2011-06-11.1/images/mg-tablet-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ 2011-06-15T14:48:53 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T14:48:59 which surprisingly has an image from... the 11th 2011-06-15T14:49:28 but there were a few days at start of month 2011-06-15T14:49:33 lcuk: maybe i didn't looked at the right place 2011-06-15T14:49:35 where images were not made 2011-06-15T14:49:39 yes, likely 2011-06-15T14:49:52 moral of story: there are n900 images for tablet build that you can check 2011-06-15T14:49:53 i looked into repos.meego.com 2011-06-15T14:50:11 the n900-community edition is not direct meego project 2011-06-15T14:50:20 lcuk: however i really would like test it on my computer, biger and more powerfull 2011-06-15T14:50:40 just hold the n900 closer to your face, it gets much bigger 2011-06-15T14:50:55 lcuk: you funny you know 2011-06-15T14:50:56 and as far power, the n900 outperforms many other devices even today :) 2011-06-15T14:50:58 ;-) 2011-06-15T14:50:59 *** ericlr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:51:22 lcuk: n900 is powerful for a phone, but terribly lacks RAM overall 2011-06-15T14:51:42 and nothing compares to a quad core computer in the phone class 2011-06-15T14:51:43 fair 2011-06-15T14:51:49 obviously 2011-06-15T14:51:55 but quad core computer looks silly held to your ear 2011-06-15T14:52:28 Yeah, Nokia should have learned from the 770 wrt RAM 2011-06-15T14:52:29 TheBootroo, if I hear anything about the meego on debian/ubuntu I wll endeavour to remember 2011-06-15T14:52:41 i dont speak about phone, i really want tablet ux on a regular laptop, that i use fo music, web and photo 2011-06-15T14:52:41 I added your point to my graffiti wall 2011-06-15T14:52:58 thx 2011-06-15T14:53:38 if you find some complete meego apps compilation guide, let me know, with all dependancies needed and were to find their last version 2011-06-15T14:53:50 *** t_s_o has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:53:52 TheBootroo: shouldn't be too hard, the dependencies are all there and it's not like it depends on intel graphics hardware like the images. 2011-06-15T14:53:54 * RST38h yawns 2011-06-15T14:53:59 i think that is something even the developers on meego ask ;) 2011-06-15T14:54:10 * RST38h yawns at the bootroo troll. 2011-06-15T14:54:10 you just have to dive into obs 2011-06-15T14:54:22 RST38h: which troll ? 2011-06-15T14:54:28 RST38h, yawning because it is not you this time trolling :P 2011-06-15T14:54:56 RST38h: i don't troll, i just want to do something and i can't 2011-06-15T14:55:00 so i ask 2011-06-15T14:55:07 Rather than endless argue on what mobile computing is, tell me how to pass arguments into the Android NativeActivity. 2011-06-15T14:55:18 lcuk: easily fixable, as you see :) 2011-06-15T14:55:37 RST38h: android is sh*t and saying that is a troll 2011-06-15T14:56:16 * lcuk grabs more beer 2011-06-15T14:56:23 Sure, it is shit 2011-06-15T14:56:28 i ask because there are many guys more skilled than me, but unhopefully nobody has tried what i ask for, as usual, maybe i'm wanting too compilcated thing all the time 2011-06-15T14:56:33 Sells millions of units though 2011-06-15T14:56:55 RST38h: most people on earth are stupid sheep, we all know that 2011-06-15T14:57:02 oi 2011-06-15T14:57:14 do not insult or generalise to most people. 2011-06-15T14:57:19 *** tommim has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:57:44 i tried an Asus Transformer yesterday, great device but Android 3.1 ruins it, meego for tablets would be great, but that's too bad, its a nvidia platform :-( 2011-06-15T14:58:04 lcuk: us here are not really 'most people' 2011-06-15T14:58:17 * RST38h is ok selling to stuid sheep 2011-06-15T14:58:42 *** timoph has quit IRC 2011-06-15T14:58:44 As long as I get to shave 'em regularly, you know... 2011-06-15T14:58:49 * TheBootroo thinks selling to sheep is a very profitable business 2011-06-15T14:59:04 * TheBootroo don't want to be shaved 2011-06-15T14:59:23 lcuk: See, how lively it becomes when I have to wait for testing to complete? 2011-06-15T14:59:33 it was lively before you arrived 2011-06-15T14:59:40 :P 2011-06-15T14:59:48 * TheBootroo lols 2011-06-15T14:59:53 what are you testing? 2011-06-15T15:00:06 Nah, it was the same newbie fanboy shit, boring 2011-06-15T15:00:09 lcuk: code 2011-06-15T15:00:47 * TheBootroo hints RST38h to stay polite 2011-06-15T15:00:51 ;-) 2011-06-15T15:00:53 manly code? 2011-06-15T15:01:22 like ardiuno controlled beer dispensing robot control code? 2011-06-15T15:01:22 lcuk: Oh, you can't imagine... =( 2011-06-15T15:01:36 lcuk: great 2011-06-15T15:01:41 it would be 2011-06-15T15:02:10 *** Weasel_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:02:26 *** ferenc has left #meego 2011-06-15T15:02:27 in qml is the text/memo/html box actually a qml component? 2011-06-15T15:02:36 or are they normal qwidgets still? 2011-06-15T15:02:48 lcuk: i dont use QMl 2011-06-15T15:03:08 well thankfully I wasn't asking you :P 2011-06-15T15:03:13 only QWidget + QCss or QGraphicsItem 2011-06-15T15:03:15 *** raster has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:03:19 lcuk: i know i know 2011-06-15T15:03:26 lcuk: -_- 2011-06-15T15:03:36 lcuk: not sure. Though they probably exist in 4.8 2011-06-15T15:03:37 *** Atarii` has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:03:41 *** Atarii has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:03:41 (for scene graph) 2011-06-15T15:04:30 wondering because I did some playing outside qt with how to make a memobox from scratch 2011-06-15T15:04:40 using only rectangles and containers initially 2011-06-15T15:04:47 *** bergie has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:04:50 lcuk: Afaik, it HAS to be a component 2011-06-15T15:05:01 RST38h, for what reason? 2011-06-15T15:05:05 scalability? 2011-06-15T15:05:08 lcuk: Whether it is a proper one or a qwidget container is a different thing 2011-06-15T15:05:17 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Text component is a component and editors inherit from it. 2011-06-15T15:05:28 lcuk: semantics? 2011-06-15T15:05:39 RST38h, you mean a native coded component rather than a pure qml element 2011-06-15T15:05:52 lcuk: the first 2011-06-15T15:05:56 yeah 2011-06-15T15:06:08 it was like Microsoft still using native elements in .net 2011-06-15T15:06:11 *** hsch has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:06:31 *** Saviq_afk is now known as Saviq 2011-06-15T15:07:31 *** Atarii has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:07:41 *** Atarii` has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:08:40 RST38h, is that just for brevity or do you think it has been attempted? 2011-06-15T15:09:04 lcuk: I do not really know 2011-06-15T15:09:21 *** mauricelynch has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:09:30 Let me see if I can find the source code 2011-06-15T15:09:50 RST38h, no need 2011-06-15T15:09:57 was just idle banter 2011-06-15T15:10:27 *** trupheenix has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:12:12 lcuk: seems to still use QTextDocument 2011-06-15T15:13:08 hmmh 2011-06-15T15:13:29 Would be unusual if it didn't... 2011-06-15T15:13:34 I was doing some tinkering and was hoping for it to be native qml 2011-06-15T15:13:45 lcuk: AFAIK QML are coded using C++/Qt4 classes 2011-06-15T15:13:46 well RST38h http://liqbase.net/liq.20110613_221639.codebox.scr.png http://liqbase.net/liq.20110614_024720.codebox2.scr.png 2011-06-15T15:13:59 only display and use is done via QML 2011-06-15T15:14:07 *** dneary has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:14:13 TheBootroo: nope :P 2011-06-15T15:14:18 *** hsch has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:14:22 QML needs a Qt/C++ launcher/interpreter 2011-06-15T15:14:47 TheBootroo: sorry, misinterpreted classes as QWidgets 2011-06-15T15:14:53 lcuk: Lemme guess, you continue reqwriting the complete UX stack in liqbase? =) 2011-06-15T15:15:04 alterego: why not ? i don't know Javascript that could launch itself, it needs a engine 2011-06-15T15:15:18 *** user0 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:15:19 what would happen if you could make a .qml file +x executable and get linux itself to do the bootstraping 2011-06-15T15:15:31 so QtCore classes and QGraphics one too are used by QML 2011-06-15T15:15:33 Yes, QML is written in Qt/C++, but we're talking about whether it uses QWidgets for some display components, which it shouldn't 2011-06-15T15:15:39 RST38h, was testing ideas and was rather hoping for a qml variant 2011-06-15T15:15:48 lcuk: you can do that. 2011-06-15T15:16:09 but qmlviewer is not recommended, which would be how you bootstrap it. 2011-06-15T15:16:09 *** Jade has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:16:27 *** t_s_o has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:17:01 ali1234: zypper bug -- could not reproduce. 2011-06-15T15:17:44 ali1234: rpmbuild ~/rpmbuild/SPECS/kernel.spec -- I didn't get your exact results, but I got something similar. 2011-06-15T15:17:51 lcuk: I might be wrong, seems it uses QPainter, might use text document for constants and layout info/engine. 2011-06-15T15:18:05 ali1234: I'll go back and follow your steps to the "t" and comment on the bug report. 2011-06-15T15:18:20 RST38h, I have certain elements inside qt 2011-06-15T15:18:44 just when I come across a roadblock in knowledge of qt I dive back into my liqbase code garden and have a go there 2011-06-15T15:23:11 *** Greatgib has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:23:11 *** Greatgib has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:24:52 *** Zahra has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:34:39 *** simified has left #meego 2011-06-15T15:34:41 *** tackat has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:35:00 *** unai has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:35:19 *** berndhs has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:38:54 *** andreizro has left #meego 2011-06-15T15:39:15 *** billmania has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:39:38 *** xoanm has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:39:53 *** maheshk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:40:19 *** BestiaH has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:41:32 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:41:33 *** araujo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:42:28 *** bergie has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:42:33 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:43:06 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:43:59 *** mauricelynch has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:45:26 *** kimitake_idle is now known as kimitake 2011-06-15T15:46:00 *** el2ro has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:47:38 *** Kaskuka has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:47:57 *** el2ro has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:48:02 *** Kaskuka has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:48:30 *** pmcgowan has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:49:15 *** obcecado has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:50:00 *** drussell has quit IRC 2011-06-15T15:50:38 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:57:07 *** tackat has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:58:45 *** mwichmann has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:58:52 *** setanta has joined #meego 2011-06-15T15:59:05 *** wasikevin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:00:13 *** briglia has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:00:21 *** psycho_oreos has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:00:41 *** wasikevin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:01:10 *** wasikevin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:01:59 *** hugopl has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:03:13 *** kidproquo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:05:45 *** bboyvat has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:05:54 *** bboyvat has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:07:04 lcuk: alterego: Has anyone tried to put a shebang line in a QML file? 2011-06-15T16:07:36 gabrbedd: no, but it'll fail, because # isn't a comment 2011-06-15T16:08:00 You could make one like: //!/usr/bin/qmlviewer 2011-06-15T16:08:13 But it's probably best to use the extension 2011-06-15T16:08:47 binfmt_misc? 2011-06-15T16:09:14 *** drussell has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:09:14 the program that loads the qml file (the one listed in the shebang line) could strip out the first line 2011-06-15T16:10:21 *** hugopl has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:10:44 sure, still think binfmt is better .. 2011-06-15T16:11:06 *** RodrigoPadula has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:12:36 *** chpadhi has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:15:34 *** t_s_o has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:15:39 *** ware has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:16:32 *** mpoirier has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:17:22 *** naba has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:18:13 *** chpadhi has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:18:29 *** dchaverri26 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:19:57 *** tgall_foo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:20:45 * gabrbedd reads about binfmt 2011-06-15T16:21:04 *** tgall_foo has left #meego 2011-06-15T16:21:57 *** balor has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:22:10 *** MooseTheBrown has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:22:21 *** kontio has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:23:17 *** MooseTheBrown has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:23:42 hm. I didn't know that existed. 2011-06-15T16:27:23 :) 2011-06-15T16:27:32 It's what makes qemu work in chroots 2011-06-15T16:27:42 And other magic 2011-06-15T16:27:44 *** sree has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:27:56 scratchbox uses it, obs uses it, etc. 2011-06-15T16:28:30 *** jpetersen has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:30:21 *** javispedro has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:30:32 *** mwichmann has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:30:44 *** TSCHAKeee has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:31:11 *** TSCHAKeee has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:32:29 *** mwichmann has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:36:53 *** nierob has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:37:08 *** kraiskil has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:38:42 gabrbedd, the syntax in c/c++ files does not allow it? 2011-06-15T16:38:55 though on similar, I did find out last night 2011-06-15T16:39:12 that http://url url syntax *IS* valid within c code 2011-06-15T16:39:20 after I mistakenly pasted a link within some source 2011-06-15T16:40:34 lcuk: Are we talking C/C++ or javascript? 2011-06-15T16:40:48 *** luck_laptop has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:40:49 gabrbedd, my observation was c 2011-06-15T16:41:00 i had middle clicked a youtube link into middle of some source 2011-06-15T16:41:07 and only noticed when I was checking git diffs 2011-06-15T16:41:18 te code compiled and built happily 2011-06-15T16:41:28 because http: is a goto jump point thingy 2011-06-15T16:41:34 and //youtube.com/ is a comment 2011-06-15T16:41:36 lcuk: AFAIK, they're right... #! is not a comment... so it would need special //! support from bash. 2011-06-15T16:41:44 Haha... That's true. :-) 2011-06-15T16:41:56 which is tricky 2011-06-15T16:42:08 I tried similar within the meego wiki the other day 2011-06-15T16:42:20 You should keep that handy for an the IOCCC 2011-06-15T16:42:36 Internation Obfuscated C Code Contest 2011-06-15T16:42:48 http://www.ioccc.org 2011-06-15T16:43:06 heh 2011-06-15T16:43:25 gabrbedd, minor curiosity rather than odd c 2011-06-15T16:43:34 my code itself is obfuscated qml ;) 2011-06-15T16:44:01 *** Dan_Mihai_BU_RO has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:44:08 *** pcacjr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:44:08 *** pcacjr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:44:08 *** pcacjr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:44:32 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:45:24 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:45:38 *** dneary has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:46:28 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:47:09 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:48:54 *** TheBootroo has left #meego 2011-06-15T16:49:05 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:49:33 *** maxw has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:49:41 *** tackat has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:49:45 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:50:44 *** kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle 2011-06-15T16:51:17 *** pmcgowan has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:52:15 *** Al_Cho has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:53:14 *** fiferboy has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:55:45 *** pmcgowan has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:56:49 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T16:57:52 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T16:58:30 *** reed has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:00:27 Yay, but 18557 is fixed in the latest tablet image 2011-06-15T17:00:33 bug 18557, rather 2011-06-15T17:00:36 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, RELE FIXED, Installation freezes during live image copy 2011-06-15T17:01:06 nice fiferboy 2011-06-15T17:01:38 *** Dr_Who has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:02:19 UI revamp seems to be in progress 2011-06-15T17:03:49 Looks nice, but functionality way down 2011-06-15T17:04:08 *** Openfree^ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:04:12 *** Al_Cho has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:04:42 ah, who needs functionality when you have shine 2011-06-15T17:05:55 *** jpetersen has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:06:01 berndhs: True, I'll just enjoy the warm glow of the updated theme :) 2011-06-15T17:06:13 *** tackat has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:06:21 *** Dr_Who has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:07:48 *** magnetic_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:07:48 *** foolano has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:07:55 fiferboy, which image are you using (url link for those >> ) 2011-06-15T17:08:04 * lcuk waiting for dd 2011-06-15T17:08:07 *** magnetic_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:08:07 *** foolano has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:09:18 lcuk: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0.90/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ 2011-06-15T17:09:40 I just bookmarked the "latest" folder and check for new versions 2011-06-15T17:11:33 *** bergie has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:16:15 *** araujo has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:17:36 *** dl9pf_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:17:57 *** b0unc3 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:18:15 *** dl9pf has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:18:53 *** luck_laptop has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:20:52 *** wasikevin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:25:20 *** maheshk_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:27:48 achipa, i have seen the demos of qml based game: samegame 2011-06-15T17:28:07 10*16 grid of particles 2011-06-15T17:28:16 so not taking by any means 2011-06-15T17:28:27 *** sdjayna has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:28:31 but something people would routinely play on the bus to/from work for instance 2011-06-15T17:28:58 i wonder how to produce a longevity graph 2011-06-15T17:29:15 to see how this could be optimised so people can play longer 2011-06-15T17:29:21 *** sjokkis has left #meego 2011-06-15T17:29:41 fancy pants animations are one thing, but keeping folks entertained for whole journey is another 2011-06-15T17:31:15 *** x_O has quit IRC 2011-06-15T17:33:01 *** luck has joined #meego 2011-06-15T17:33:10 lcuk: oookay... ? 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2011-06-15T18:08:48 *** CosmoHill has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:08:49 yup 2011-06-15T18:09:00 So it looks the same on anything, with the exception of fonts. 2011-06-15T18:09:13 And then there would be (potential) changes to the QML based on the UX 2011-06-15T18:09:21 right, then you do your own branding, and forget the theme :) 2011-06-15T18:09:36 I guess this is the whole Qt Components vs MeeGo Components 2011-06-15T18:09:46 That's what I do for apps where it makes sense. 2011-06-15T18:09:51 *** MooseTheBrown has left #meego 2011-06-15T18:10:38 *** chpadhi has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:10:44 If you're writing an app that say, extends the functionality of the system and is meant as an integration or augmentation, theming is the way to go. But self contained apps, games, etc. Should have their own custom Ux imo 2011-06-15T18:10:56 *** Richrd has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:11:28 right, it there is more commonality in the app across verticals, it makes more sense to app-brand it 2011-06-15T18:11:33 alterego: I would prefer to avoid a custom UX (mostly due to my design ineptitude) 2011-06-15T18:11:47 *** mirek2_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:11:50 fiferboy: :) 2011-06-15T18:11:58 But for all the "official" meego UX platforms I could use MeeGo UX Components? 2011-06-15T18:12:16 fiferboy: well, I suppose it does depend on your artistic talents and or whether you have UX designers. 2011-06-15T18:12:36 fiferboy: in 1.3 meego ux components should be everywhere. 2011-06-15T18:12:49 *** jlamadon has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:13:18 alterego: But not for QWidget-derived UI? 2011-06-15T18:13:29 fiferboy: if the components that you need are in the MeeGo Compliance spec... then you'll need to provide your own... e.g. a private copy of the Qt labs desktop components. 2011-06-15T18:13:52 fiferboy: qwidget is on it's way to deprecation. 2011-06-15T18:14:06 Gah, I guess it is time to finally learn QML :) 2011-06-15T18:14:12 gabrbedd: not in I'm guessing? 2011-06-15T18:14:12 it will be gone sometime after Qt 5 2011-06-15T18:14:26 QML is not hard, just frustrating at times :) 2011-06-15T18:14:44 We really need more community involvement wrt meego ux components, real use cases from real app developers. 2011-06-15T18:14:50 I have made a couple of half-hearted attempts at porting simple GUI apps to QML 2011-06-15T18:14:51 I tried to build qt5 yesterday, still has all kinds of widgets 2011-06-15T18:15:04 and programmers really need to learn UI design 2011-06-15T18:15:09 berndhs: sure, but they're "deprecated" ;) 2011-06-15T18:15:13 if I have to bitch slap it into each and every one of them 2011-06-15T18:15:16 alterego: I'm sure some standard components lib will be part of Qt /eventually/ 2011-06-15T18:15:18 * CosmoHill did a course in UI design 2011-06-15T18:15:21 didn't do that well 2011-06-15T18:15:28 *** NishanthMenon has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:15:32 gabrbedd: definitely, qt-components is about that. 2011-06-15T18:15:41 *** thiago has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:15:47 CosmoHill: don't make any apps users will use. 2011-06-15T18:15:50 ;) 2011-06-15T18:15:55 TSCHAKeee: I actually have a book called "Universal Principles of Desgin" sitting beside me right now 2011-06-15T18:15:55 alterego: And I wouldn't be surprised if meego ux comp's were part of 1.3 Core. 2011-06-15T18:16:02 if I keep up my design they won't use them 2011-06-15T18:16:08 *** Ans5i has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:16:09 qwidgets are still ok for apps with just 1 big button 2011-06-15T18:16:48 CosmoHill: if all else fails. study and copy. 2011-06-15T18:16:53 steal. 2011-06-15T18:17:00 fork and fix 2011-06-15T18:17:02 please for the love of god 2011-06-15T18:17:09 yes then file a patent on what you copied 2011-06-15T18:17:11 *** skrr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:17:15 programmers need to learn to make UIs that look okay. 2011-06-15T18:17:56 TSCHAKeee: Or programmers need to work with a designer to make their UIs look okay 2011-06-15T18:18:05 either or 2011-06-15T18:18:08 but most don't have that option. 2011-06-15T18:18:30 * TSCHAKeee is both programmer and designer in one. 2011-06-15T18:18:36 actually programmers need to learn to make UIs that look ok, artists need to learn to make UIs that function 2011-06-15T18:18:45 last website I got paid to do I did the programming and made is so the designer could just add his CSS sheet 2011-06-15T18:19:00 TSCHAKeee: either you're good or you're a rather large person 2011-06-15T18:19:12 *** skrr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:19:18 hey, large persons can be competent too 2011-06-15T18:19:23 CosmoHill: I grew up in a family of both artists and engineers. 2011-06-15T18:19:38 tbh I was expecting you to say midgets for some reason 2011-06-15T18:19:52 *** tbf has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:20:00 *** hsch has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:20:01 *** hsch_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:20:14 *** anderco has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:20:18 *** dneary has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:20:30 *** psycho_oreos has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:20:35 *** nid0 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:20:52 *** hpa has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:10 *** jarkko^ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:14 *** csdb has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:36 *** janmalte has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:36 *** mikeleib has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:42 *** janmalte has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:21:45 *** zumbi_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:48 *** csdb has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:21:50 *** anab1s has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:21:55 *** jarkko^ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:22:01 *** hpa has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:22:08 *** mkalinow has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:22:20 *** MauriceK has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:22:42 *** Mek has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:23:09 *** Mek has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:23:15 *** skrr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:23:26 *** argretzi has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:23:30 *** xoanm has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:23:47 *** mikeleib has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:23:57 *** xoanm has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:24:10 *** kahless has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:24:12 *** argretzi has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:24:24 * CosmoHill needs to stop watching kids tv 2011-06-15T18:24:40 *** g00fy|BNC has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:24:48 *** dazo is now known as dazo_afk 2011-06-15T18:25:31 *** jhe has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:25:36 *** kahless has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:25:59 *** srag has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:26:28 *** psycho_oreos has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:26:33 *** nid0 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:27:37 *** zumbi has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:28:46 *** g00fy has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:28:59 *** Zahra has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:29:02 *** [XeN] has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:29:05 Are meego ux components available in 1.2? Or 1.2.0.90? 2011-06-15T18:29:34 They're in N900 CE 2011-06-15T18:30:10 1.2, 1.2.0.90 2011-06-15T18:30:35 *** skrr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:31:17 *** khertan has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:32:28 *** kidproquo_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:32:30 fiferboy: also for Tablet UX, they're in there. I don't think they're in Netbook. 2011-06-15T18:32:51 Cool, Tablet UX and N900 CE will be mostly what I am testing on 2011-06-15T18:33:04 most designers take properly working programs and turn them into some kind of altar to their ego, rather than being concerned about the user actually getting stuff done... 2011-06-15T18:33:07 The QWidget version is themed properly on Netbook 2011-06-15T18:33:18 *** IonutGavaz has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:33:28 *** kidproquo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:33:28 *** tmpsantos has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:33:40 npm: was that a remark on my skillz :P 2011-06-15T18:33:40 or they design the application into failure from the get-go 2011-06-15T18:34:06 well maybe you're not one of the designers i've worked with 2011-06-15T18:34:08 *** akk has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:35:03 e.g. turning a UI with proper relative layouts, all based on calculating sizes of components w/ resolution independence... all gone and replaced with pixel sizes 2011-06-15T18:35:26 *** srag has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:35:39 *** Venemo_N900 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:35:52 i want a widget set that puts the designer inside the widgets, and makes them do the right thing. 2011-06-15T18:35:53 *** puffin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:36:04 *** wasikevin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:36:23 also, if there's a particular look to a given handset, then i don't want "design" i want it to look like all the other apps on that handset 2011-06-15T18:36:32 *** the-light has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:36:34 npm: you only see this from your perspective 2011-06-15T18:36:38 this is the problem 2011-06-15T18:36:54 programmers lack any and all aesthetic sense 2011-06-15T18:36:54 actually, the problem is designers see from their perspective too 2011-06-15T18:37:03 and lack the ability to even remotely understand it 2011-06-15T18:37:14 one pixel 2011-06-15T18:37:17 does 2011-06-15T18:37:19 make 2011-06-15T18:37:21 a difference 2011-06-15T18:37:22 and there really shouldn't be designers or programmers. if you're doing an app, you should be both 2011-06-15T18:37:50 no, one millimeter makes a difference. 2011-06-15T18:38:03 one pixel can be ten on a different platform 2011-06-15T18:38:19 *** puffin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:38:24 indeed. 2011-06-15T18:38:38 *** pavank10 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:39:22 npm, symbiosis. 2011-06-15T18:39:26 i was just as happy with square buttons too..., esp ones that you could clearly tell when they were clicked 2011-06-15T18:39:37 designer and developer working harmoniously as a team 2011-06-15T18:39:45 but then a "designer" gets through with it, and it becomes "art" and not very functional as a button 2011-06-15T18:39:52 but the developer should know the limits available 2011-06-15T18:40:06 as should the designer - designing to capabilities is something many miss 2011-06-15T18:40:23 *** unai has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:40:26 npm buttons are more tricky actually 2011-06-15T18:40:27 I vote for one pixel checkered buttons, with accurate click tracking 2011-06-15T18:40:35 now with touch ui, your finger itself covers the button 2011-06-15T18:40:47 more important than that though is icons vs names 2011-06-15T18:40:52 and i just love watching my dad or son pecking away at their iphones... if that's the pinnacle of design... fail... 2011-06-15T18:41:13 wall of icons is confusing 2011-06-15T18:41:26 my real wall has real things on it 2011-06-15T18:41:31 the pinnacle of design is when you have a apple chip embedded in your brain 2011-06-15T18:41:42 using an iphone is like using an advent calendar 2011-06-15T18:41:47 (little door you have to open per day) 2011-06-15T18:42:05 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43126515/ns/business-retail/t/dont-call-them-fanboys-now-call-them-acolytes/ 2011-06-15T18:42:33 mri's of apple fanboys seeing apple icon similar response as devoutly religious w/ crucifix 2011-06-15T18:42:50 thus maligor's comment is true 2011-06-15T18:42:54 *** ivanich has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:43:18 *** ivanich has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:43:19 and so is lcuk's advent calendar 2011-06-15T18:43:20 *** ddima has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:43:20 :-) 2011-06-15T18:43:28 *** ddima has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:43:42 *** marcob has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:43:50 npm 2011-06-15T18:43:58 you can see the contents like a real calendar 2011-06-15T18:43:58 I guess Apple is the real american religion 2011-06-15T18:44:17 you do not need to open each day to know what it contains :) 2011-06-15T18:44:22 beats talking salamanders 2011-06-15T18:44:23 consumerism combined with religious overtones 2011-06-15T18:44:30 *** hsch_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:44:32 you might have to get closer to read all of it, but it is exactly as written 2011-06-15T18:44:38 *** hsch has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:46:59 *** tar-gz has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:47:08 *** chris-qBT_home has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:47:36 lcuk: isn't that basically w7's boxes idea? 2011-06-15T18:48:03 *** btdrucke_ is now known as btdrucke 2011-06-15T18:48:30 having issues instaling from the latest tablet ux images ... 2011-06-15T18:48:31 npm, sigh 2011-06-15T18:48:34 *** smoku has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:48:41 windows boxes idea is over 2 years later than mine 2011-06-15T18:49:00 *** tar-gz has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:49:04 *** Savago has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:49:08 it just hangs with a systemd-fsck (well. that's the last line at least) 2011-06-15T18:49:10 well apple's finally paying up for ideas they've stolen from nokia... 2011-06-15T18:49:23 anyone else? 2011-06-15T18:49:33 so you never know what the future can bring lcuk 2011-06-15T18:49:44 npm, I have to wonder whether employers I have had over the time will be patenting ideas in my code done at nighttimes 2011-06-15T18:49:44 (been using meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.6.0.20110614.7.img) 2011-06-15T18:50:11 has anyone been watching the QML app reviews by all about symbian? 2011-06-15T18:50:13 (in this case, i think MS will just acquire their way out of it :-/ ) 2011-06-15T18:50:18 *** talmage has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:50:36 if they do, good thing if it is fair offer 2011-06-15T18:50:45 http://www.youtube.com/rafeaas 2011-06-15T18:50:52 i bet they're slapping themselves in the head right now about the nokia apple patent deal right now 2011-06-15T18:50:54 *** amarsman has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:51:11 those apps are OK but they all suffer from the same problem: 2011-06-15T18:51:26 they all look completely different and the graphical quality is extremely variable 2011-06-15T18:51:30 *** thiago has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:52:36 Hello 2011-06-15T18:52:42 *** Atarii has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:53:00 npm, I did see that Nokia offers patening help 2011-06-15T18:53:20 but since my work takes a number of years and different employers is tricky 2011-06-15T18:53:26 and melts my head completely to consider 2011-06-15T18:53:27 *** Atarii has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:53:56 Gnu or LF ought to have a open-source patenting arm funded by going after closed source that steals their ideas 2011-06-15T18:54:24 yeah, and where is GNOME taking their primary inspiration from? .. 2011-06-15T18:54:25 :P 2011-06-15T18:54:27 i see mostly cloning of other apps in open source 2011-06-15T18:54:28 and they'd then force the losers to open source their closed source software in defeat 2011-06-15T18:54:38 it is rare to see such innovation that I normally play with 2011-06-15T18:54:47 *** rcherian has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:55:29 *** ced117 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:55:42 ali1234: Qt Components should help in the Symbian case 2011-06-15T18:56:01 *** slaine has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:56:05 that's what i keep hearing 2011-06-15T18:56:11 Stskeeps, I could say that same about the current wayland screenshots from you 2011-06-15T18:56:11 ;) 2011-06-15T18:56:24 simpsons did it 2011-06-15T18:57:17 *** slaine has joined #meego 2011-06-15T18:57:20 i think it's the other way around... closed source clones ideas from the research community and makes them "production".. often the work of the research community is and was open even before open source 2011-06-15T18:57:39 *** javiF has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:57:39 Xerox PARC's Alto -> Macintosh is good example 2011-06-15T18:57:56 i used an Alto, it was much better :-) 2011-06-15T18:58:00 *** slaine has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:58:05 *** Richrd has quit IRC 2011-06-15T18:58:56 I think I'll patent the idea of drawing an image by copying pixels from one buffer into another 2011-06-15T18:58:58 personally i'm not interested in innovation if it comes at the cost of my ability to fix problems that i encounter when the vendor refuses to help 2011-06-15T18:59:18 for example, 10-20 years ago, SigCHI was all about camera tracking UI's... now they're in games from MS 2011-06-15T18:59:36 where have I heard that before 2011-06-15T18:59:40 ah. RMS :) 2011-06-15T19:00:28 *** Richrd has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:00:44 10-20 years ago the hardware required for camera tracking was really expensive 2011-06-15T19:01:10 probably used color coded gloves or something 2011-06-15T19:01:51 yep. but the ideas were all openly published -- http://www.billbuxton.com/InputSources.html 2011-06-15T19:02:23 *** Richrd has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:02:44 *** Richrd_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:03:15 then again perhaps that's cuz microsoft hired him :-) 2011-06-15T19:03:15 all patents are openly published 2011-06-15T19:03:35 you do know that the whole mocap field is one of the most heavily patented areas of CS right? 2011-06-15T19:03:59 i was talking about using the patent system for GNU purposes in the same way that the copyright system has been used. 2011-06-15T19:03:59 seeems that the tablet UX live image, when you select install-only, doesn't mount the root system properly 2011-06-15T19:04:33 *** amarsman has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:05:09 if the patent holder insisted on open source, they could force a settlement where the patent violation is treated like a GPL violation.... 2011-06-15T19:05:40 mikhas: the 1.2.0.90 branch had that problem until the build from 20110614 2011-06-15T19:05:54 yeah the only small problem with that is that FOSS projects don't hold any patents 2011-06-15T19:05:54 mikhas: Does it sound the same as bug 18557? 2011-06-15T19:05:57 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, RELE FIXED, Installation freezes during live image copy 2011-06-15T19:06:03 npm: Problem is that patents typically cost US $5k minimum... and that only covers the US. In contrast, getting a copyright is free. 2011-06-15T19:06:07 *** wasikevin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:06:13 because everything they write was patented by researchers 20 years before 2011-06-15T19:06:33 yep, which is why the foundation would need to bootstrap itself first by forcing some payment from violators 2011-06-15T19:06:46 until it had a large enough patent portfolio to trade with the big boys 2011-06-15T19:07:34 npm: So... people plunk down $10k on a software patent so that we can.... stick it to the man? 2011-06-15T19:07:35 that makes no sense 2011-06-15T19:07:41 Not a very good ROI. 2011-06-15T19:07:52 Hum ... i can't update meego or install app on a fresh netbook install ! I think i ve found the bug ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqD9UaDpA_0 2011-06-15T19:07:59 not stick it to the man. play on the same playing field 2011-06-15T19:08:58 *** Richrd__ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:11:00 *** sergiuse1s has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:11:13 *** sergiuse1s is now known as sergiusens_netbo 2011-06-15T19:11:44 fiferboy, no different 2011-06-15T19:11:51 I dont even get to see any UI 2011-06-15T19:12:10 *** Richrd_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:13:22 mikhas: I don't have any experience installing the 1.2.80 branch 2011-06-15T19:13:36 npm, then get them talking with my employers over the period I wrote liqbase because i have a whole suite of innovations :) 2011-06-15T19:13:53 * lcuk can write c code but cannot write patent code 2011-06-15T19:14:32 *** marciom has left #meego 2011-06-15T19:14:37 lcuk: In the US, you have to apply for a patent within 1 year of your first public disclosure of the invention. 2011-06-15T19:14:55 gabrbedd, so I have until February next year then 2011-06-15T19:15:03 lcuk: And some countries don't even allow that. 2011-06-15T19:15:24 for something I wrote years ago but did not make use of 2011-06-15T19:16:46 *** pierce has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:18:21 * lcuk uploaded sketchfonts whilst at fosdem 2011-06-15T19:19:46 fiferboy, tablet UX images are just plain broken 2011-06-15T19:19:48 http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7739604.html "Method and apparatus for managing windows" from Apple. references yours truly 2011-06-15T19:20:05 you dont even get a VKB 2011-06-15T19:20:19 uxlauncher doesnt launch for install-only 2011-06-15T19:20:23 windows key is not working 2011-06-15T19:20:33 maybe that's why the tablet UX doesn't have any managed windows. apple patented it :-) 2011-06-15T19:21:19 *** kevin_b has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:21:24 and then there's "Intelligent Scrolling" http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7456850.html 2011-06-15T19:21:42 and another on drag and drop. pretty lame. 2011-06-15T19:22:24 *** kevin_b has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:22:32 *** lamikr_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:22:36 we're seeing the fourth wave of recurring patent ideas here 2011-06-15T19:22:42 originally it was "do X" 2011-06-15T19:22:49 then it was "automate X" 2011-06-15T19:23:03 'automate x in a mobile' 2011-06-15T19:23:05 in the 80's it became "do X with a computer" 2011-06-15T19:23:11 npm, find me a patent for sending and recieving messages and presenting as handwritten notes. ie full circle back to original telegrams. 2011-06-15T19:23:17 and now we're seeing "..on a mobile device" 2011-06-15T19:23:24 which is what sketchfonts if fully implemented would do. 2011-06-15T19:23:27 *** jkukunas has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:23:45 lcuk: the fax machine ? :-) 2011-06-15T19:23:50 I had a lovely chat with one of the telecomms engineers at the museum of science and industry 2011-06-15T19:23:57 *** CosmoHill has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:24:09 npm go for it 2011-06-15T19:24:31 *** CosmoHill has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:25:08 mikhas: Recent Tablet UX in 1.2.0.90 look to be going through a transition too 2011-06-15T19:25:33 fiferboy mikhas -- see end of http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004169.html for suggestions on making tablet UX better 2011-06-15T19:25:35 VKB doesn't input, setting dialog layout completely broken, missing images for lockscreen and panel 2011-06-15T19:25:51 aka "zypper in http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/i586/meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.3-1.4.i586.rpm" and reboot 2011-06-15T19:26:13 npm, *tablet* requires GTK+ input context? 2011-06-15T19:26:16 *** auke has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:26:20 that was supposed for netbooks only 2011-06-15T19:27:00 apparently... seems to give me input in progs i need input in... qt ones seem to have it 2011-06-15T19:27:04 auke: what happens to a process's ioprio when x-moblin-priority isn't set? 2011-06-15T19:27:09 npm, the description by aniello was hand typing. typing using your own handwriting :) 2011-06-15T19:27:13 tablet ux images work fine for me 2011-06-15T19:27:41 npm, well then ... thanks for our architect who rejected this very package to be part of MeeGo 1.2 2011-06-15T19:28:23 *** puffin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:28:23 sounds like a bug report should be filed 2011-06-15T19:28:46 was 2011-06-15T19:28:59 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14374 2011-06-15T19:29:02 Bug 14374 nor, Medium, ---, x2rich, RELE FIXED, Virtual keyboard does not work in Gtk+ based applications 2011-06-15T19:29:02 *** magnetic_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:29:02 *** foolano has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:29:56 *** boiko has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:30:03 i just work around for now, and hope for the future. not sure why that's sched'd for 1.3 when it ought to be in a 1.2 update 2011-06-15T19:30:04 *** kraiskil has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:30:21 fiferboy, do you know a last good tablet UX image then? 2011-06-15T19:30:35 npm, dont ask such difficult questions ;-) 2011-06-15T19:30:51 *** Atarii has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:31:10 http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meegotab-screenshots.html shows that the vkb in gnome is not w/o it's issues 2011-06-15T19:31:13 *** Atarii has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:31:32 *** MeeGoExperts has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:31:45 but at least i can run roxterm and have a vkb to kill processes, even if it's "blind" because you end up typing behind the vjb 2011-06-15T19:31:48 vkb 2011-06-15T19:32:28 is there a c to patent converter? 2011-06-15T19:32:32 *** lamikr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:33:43 *** alvaro_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:33:55 *** lamikr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:34:37 Heh 2011-06-15T19:36:32 * CosmoHill grumbles cos his program ignored the CFLAGS and is displaying errors 2011-06-15T19:36:42 s/errors/warnings/ 2011-06-15T19:37:11 Stskeeps, why is there no http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.3 ? 2011-06-15T19:37:14 mikhas: 20110529 for 1.2.0.90 2011-06-15T19:37:15 like we had for 1.2 2011-06-15T19:37:16 lcuk: file a FEA request in bugzilla 2011-06-15T19:37:24 fiferboy, thanks 2011-06-15T19:37:34 berndhs, lol 2011-06-15T19:37:57 I would rather just get on and make lots of products but it seems nobody know how to become a vendor 2011-06-15T19:38:01 it would be a useful, income-generating feature 2011-06-15T19:38:11 * lcuk would try and direct folks and be a vendor 2011-06-15T19:38:25 mikhas: i'm not in RE, ask meego-releases@ 2011-06-15T19:38:37 I just want to be able to buy real wall calendar to install in my mums house 2011-06-15T19:38:46 she would be even more proud of me when I accomplish that :) 2011-06-15T19:38:58 oh, I was under the impression you were 2011-06-15T19:39:05 *** jonnor_work has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:39:15 and no, I am subscribed to enough ML's already ... 2011-06-15T19:39:25 my mom was plenty prpoud of me, doesn't do anything for steady income :) 2011-06-15T19:39:43 why do I always need to subscribe to a ML in MeeGo, even if I only want to ask a single question, sigh 2011-06-15T19:40:17 mikhas: another FEA, generate a new ML for every new question 2011-06-15T19:40:32 berndhs, oh you ... 2011-06-15T19:40:45 *** dneary has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:41:07 *** achipa has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:41:28 berndhs, hence the vendor part - putting heavy work into trying to ensure that meego can be used for such purposes 2011-06-15T19:41:38 then if I get that organised can sell in bulk 2011-06-15T19:41:47 and make plenty of money :) 2011-06-15T19:41:58 *** thiago has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:42:09 shipping is where it's at, not production 2011-06-15T19:42:39 very far off topic and it is tea time anyway, bbl 2011-06-15T19:42:46 *** lbt_nur has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:43:03 *** tomeu has left #meego 2011-06-15T19:43:08 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:43:27 *** thiago has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:43:37 *** toabctl has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:44:41 *** florian has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:44:44 *** calvaris has quit IRC 2011-06-15T19:51:21 *** akk has left #meego 2011-06-15T19:52:22 *** onen|openBmap has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:54:39 *** puffin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:57:19 *** bergie has joined #meego 2011-06-15T19:58:33 *** MeeGoExperts has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:01:05 *** achipa has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:02:36 *** mikecomputing has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:04:36 *** I-C-Wiener has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:06:08 *** ___des___ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:06:36 *** lynxis_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:09:25 *** __des__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:11:48 *** eti has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:13:20 Is there any way to work around the problems installing MeeGo SDK on 11.04? 2011-06-15T20:14:12 what is 11.04? is that an Ubuntu number? 2011-06-15T20:14:17 *** setanta has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:14:42 *** setanta has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:14:45 *** jukkaeklund has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:15:19 andre__: Yes, sorry. Ubuntu 11.04 2011-06-15T20:15:37 fiferboy, a better thing would be to say what errors it has? 2011-06-15T20:15:46 so what are the problems? is there a bug report? 2011-06-15T20:16:02 Ah, I see there is a bug report. Bug 16884 2011-06-15T20:16:05 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16884 nor, High, ---, max.a.yu, NEW, installer does not work on Ubuntu 11.04 2011-06-15T20:16:17 *** ced117 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:16:17 *** ced117 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:16:26 Add support middle of July :| 2011-06-15T20:17:32 *** arkub has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:18:31 Looks like it is repository issues 2011-06-15T20:20:26 evening jukkaeklund \o 2011-06-15T20:20:41 *** gabor_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:20:48 fiferboy, you could try installing a reasonable OS to do sdk work 2011-06-15T20:20:51 like meego :) 2011-06-15T20:21:17 lcuk, hi there 2011-06-15T20:21:37 *** onen|openBmap has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:21:43 *** puffin has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:21:52 lcuk: MeeGo isn't listed as a supported OS for the SDK :) 2011-06-15T20:24:27 :O RLY? 2011-06-15T20:25:29 lcuk: I guess because it isn't listed doesn't mean it won't work 2011-06-15T20:25:48 I know the qa guys run the test cases there 2011-06-15T20:26:00 *** dvalfre has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:26:04 but meego netbook is usually smallish screen - unless I plug it into my monitor 2011-06-15T20:26:13 the ideapad runs at 1920*1080 or whatever there 2011-06-15T20:27:12 I was considering installing it on the Netbook UX, I don't see why it wouldn't work 2011-06-15T20:27:31 it would make it a sensible thing then 2011-06-15T20:27:37 using meego to build more meego 2011-06-15T20:27:56 Anyone know if there's a general announce list for people announcing releases of Qt software? 2011-06-15T20:28:11 Something Trolltech uses to keep track of software & app authors can use to get the word out? 2011-06-15T20:28:18 'twould be nice 2011-06-15T20:28:25 dneary: ml maybe? 2011-06-15T20:28:29 *** Richrd has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:28:33 And their blog I'd imagine 2011-06-15T20:28:34 *** aloisiojr has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:28:48 Oh qt apps 2011-06-15T20:28:55 There is the qt apps site. 2011-06-15T20:29:12 Don't think it's too official. 2011-06-15T20:29:21 Hmm, installing the older version of the SDK with a work around seems to be uninstalling most of my Ubuntu desktop... 2011-06-15T20:29:30 alterego, I found a forum on qtcenter 2011-06-15T20:29:54 dneary, any decent apps we can put onto the n900-de ? 2011-06-15T20:30:10 or are most apps now aiming for bigger heavy hardware? 2011-06-15T20:30:50 * alterego still needs a simple idea for a "world changing" app for this weekends hactivate 2011-06-15T20:31:03 I hope they give out goodie bags, 2011-06-15T20:31:12 * alterego really wants a qt enabled N8 2011-06-15T20:31:18 lcuk, Seems to be mostly a support forum rather than app announcements 2011-06-15T20:31:37 http://www.qtcentre.org/forums/16-Qt-based-Software 2011-06-15T20:31:41 *** Richrd__ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:32:12 dneary, according to my (very random) research, the best qt app is qonsole or whatever the console it 2011-06-15T20:33:04 lcuk, Do you have examples of community developed apps in MeeGo core? 2011-06-15T20:33:08 That would be really good 2011-06-15T20:33:14 I know people talk about Peregrine 2011-06-15T20:33:17 And the dialer 2011-06-15T20:33:26 But isn't it Shane Bryan that's doing the dialler? 2011-06-15T20:33:38 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP 2011-06-15T20:33:42 there is the meego ITP 2011-06-15T20:33:49 which lists some/all the apps put forwards 2011-06-15T20:34:12 one of the better qt apps in terms of delivering o nthe qt promise is Venemo's Puzzle-master 2011-06-15T20:34:22 which is now available on the 23842387423265234 operating systems qt supports 2011-06-15T20:34:23 *** khohm has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:35:01 *** Venemo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:35:07 dneary: Shane Bryan is managing the dialler, but the current QML version is alterego 2011-06-15T20:35:45 *** aloril has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:36:15 Jaffa, qml dialer is n900-ce at this time, it is not in core as far as I know 2011-06-15T20:36:26 when transformed to meego-ux-components, maybe 2011-06-15T20:36:26 garrr.... Bugzilla, where you can click and do something that you don't understand, like mass-moving some reports to the Security product for no reason whatsoever, just to make those reports inaccessible. 2011-06-15T20:36:27 * lcuk may be wrong 2011-06-15T20:36:49 * andre__ needs tranquilizers 2011-06-15T20:37:29 andre__: why did i just get a flashback of you running in a jungle being hunted by people with tranquilizer guns? 2011-06-15T20:37:32 :P 2011-06-15T20:37:47 Jaffa, OK 2011-06-15T20:37:50 IC 2011-06-15T20:38:02 *** hugopl has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:38:05 Stskeeps: which one of our LSD trips was that one again? 2011-06-15T20:38:18 andre__: good question :P 2011-06-15T20:38:34 ahhh 2011-06-15T20:38:42 MeeGo SF 2011 was not san fran 2011-06-15T20:38:48 it was MeeGo Safari 2011! 2011-06-15T20:38:58 lcuk: you know, that would explain the keynote a lot beter.. 2011-06-15T20:39:19 lcuk: QML branch of dialler was merged to trunk just before the conference, IIRC 2011-06-15T20:39:19 * lcuk will try and deliver a short talk this weekend 2011-06-15T20:39:35 Jaffa, ask alterego he will know 2011-06-15T20:39:41 we do not have to IIRC ;) 2011-06-15T20:40:08 lcuk: I meant the timing is IIRC. I quite clearly remember the announcement about it becoming the main MeeGo dialler :-p 2011-06-15T20:40:34 lcuk: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg09722.html 2011-06-15T20:41:02 *** pohly has quit IRC 2011-06-15T20:42:32 Jaffa, merged but still remaining as MTF for now 2011-06-15T20:43:08 the QML dialer does not yet count for all required feature tests 2011-06-15T20:43:24 so people with those images based on master will not see qml 2011-06-15T20:43:46 *** dvalfre has left #meego 2011-06-15T20:45:02 *** puffin has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:46:59 lcuk: ? The branch has been merged to the trunk. 2011-06-15T20:47:02 *** ssvb has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:47:51 Jaffa, read the proceeding email from that 2 mail thread ;) 2011-06-15T20:48:04 2. The UI is now a runtime (and compile time) selectible option: 2011-06-15T20:48:04 QML UI: 2011-06-15T20:48:04 $ /usr/bin/dialer -ux meego-ux-components 2011-06-15T20:48:04 MTF UI: 2011-06-15T20:48:04 $ /usr/bin/dialer -ux meegotouch 2011-06-15T20:48:04 The default will remain "meegotouch" (MTF) for now, until we draw 2011-06-15T20:48:05 *** aloril has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:48:06 closer to Feature equivalence 2011-06-15T20:48:09 *** lynxis_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:48:11 Jaffa, lcuk the QML dialer seems default for me 2011-06-15T20:48:12 note the sentence at the foot 2011-06-15T20:48:46 but of course I might be wrong 2011-06-15T20:50:22 * lcuk wonders how you can tell if something is qml or not by looking 2011-06-15T20:50:46 QML dialer UI is the master in meego dialer, yes 2011-06-15T20:51:06 has been for s few weeks 2011-06-15T20:51:06 jukkaeklund, on the n900-de or trunk for meego images? 2011-06-15T20:51:09 a few 2011-06-15T20:51:21 lcuk, master as in meego gitorious 2011-06-15T20:51:26 so trunk 2011-06-15T20:52:10 jukkaeklund, that email from sabotage was only a few weeks ago saying that, yes qml dialer is there, but that the MTFone was being used still? 2011-06-15T20:53:53 *** aloisiojr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:54:30 lcuk: the "MTF" UI is still the default in git master branch 2011-06-15T20:54:35 ah ok 2011-06-15T20:54:38 sorry 2011-06-15T20:54:41 but will likely be changing that this week 2011-06-15T20:54:59 jukkaeklund and lcuk: you are both correct 2011-06-15T20:55:22 the current master has *both* QML and MTF ui versions 2011-06-15T20:55:31 but it's CLI selectable 2011-06-15T20:55:36 even better :) 2011-06-15T20:56:00 today, the default (no CLI options given) is to use MTF ui 2011-06-15T20:56:17 later (this week) the default will be QML 2011-06-15T20:56:34 * lcuk slides beers all round since we were all on the right track 2011-06-15T20:56:35 then I will start gutting the MTF bits 2011-06-15T20:57:05 but it's a bit complicated due to also trying to move to libofono-qt at the same time 2011-06-15T20:58:45 *** balor has joined #meego 2011-06-15T20:59:30 *** phdeswer has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:02:45 2 2011-06-15T21:03:21 *** harbaum has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:03:29 *** Jim_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:03:38 *** jukkaeklund has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:06:14 *** ifdef42 has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:07:39 what's the last tablet image that actually installs? 2011-06-15T21:08:41 *** newbie007 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:09:10 with recent images the installer never finishes it's thing 2011-06-15T21:09:27 *** Jim_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:11:41 *** leinir_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:12:23 *** leinir has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:12:41 *** Frye has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:13:11 *** vblazquez has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:13:27 *** vblazquez has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:16:14 But note in my DE deliverables, I compile time default QML UX 2011-06-15T21:16:17 *** lynxis_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:16:25 MTF is then selectable via command line or gconf. 2011-06-15T21:16:27 *** lynxis_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:16:46 But trunk dialer defaults to MTF, my CE package from trunk defaults to QML 2011-06-15T21:16:55 timoph -- maybe it's fixed in latest? http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.4.20110614.1/builddata/reports/repodiff-1.2.0.90.3.20110607.2-1.2.0.90.4.20110614.1.html 2011-06-15T21:17:10 *** arvind_khadri has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:17:33 i'm updating now... 2011-06-15T21:17:36 *** thiagoss has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:17:56 but not by "image install" which is kinda lame, if you've already got meego running 2011-06-15T21:18:00 *** Frye has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:18:24 *** jedix has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:19:10 315 packages to upgrade, 3 to downgrade, 1 to change vendor, 1 to change arch. 2011-06-15T21:19:16 what's the name of the terminal in MeeGo? 2011-06-15T21:20:06 'zypper info gnome-terminal' 2011-06-15T21:20:26 thank you 2011-06-15T21:20:45 now I can copy and paste from chromium to gnome-terminal in TWM 2011-06-15T21:20:58 now why is that claimed to be in package 'non-oss' ?? 2011-06-15T21:21:21 doh 2011-06-15T21:21:37 because i left out "non" in the non-oss.repo file 2011-06-15T21:21:52 nevermind 2011-06-15T21:21:59 thanks for catching my error :-) 2011-06-15T21:22:07 *** toabctl has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:22:48 i'm not even sure why non-oss is in there. is there anything used from it on the ExoPC tablet? 2011-06-15T21:24:09 npm: What version are you updating from? 2011-06-15T21:24:23 trunk of last week 2011-06-15T21:24:40 npm: 1.2.0.90 branch? 2011-06-15T21:24:49 yeah 2011-06-15T21:25:12 Whenever I try doing a command-line upgrade it ends up bailing in the middle and leaving the system unusable 2011-06-15T21:25:14 why is that a mistake? 2011-06-15T21:25:46 well i check before i reboot with an init 3 ; init 5 2011-06-15T21:26:13 *** d12n has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:26:23 For me it seems to update the rpm libraries, bails the update, and won't execute any zypper commands after that 2011-06-15T21:26:49 i do a bunch of voodoo first 2011-06-15T21:26:58 npm: Ooo, what is your voodoo? 2011-06-15T21:27:03 fiferboy: If you're doing massive upgrades... yeah, I've found that to happen. 2011-06-15T21:27:07 sudo zypper clean --all 2011-06-15T21:27:15 sudo zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh 2011-06-15T21:27:25 *** phl0x81 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:27:30 fiferboy: But usually after a reboot I can simply fire off `zypper dup` and it'll pick up where it left off. 2011-06-15T21:27:30 gabrbedd: I usually just do a clean install, but the installer was broken for a couple weeks 2011-06-15T21:27:34 sudo zypper dup --from 'MeeGo:1.2:non-oss (MeeGo_1.2)' --from 'MeeGo:1.2:oss (standard)' --from 'adobe' 2011-06-15T21:28:08 * fiferboy writes down zypper voodoo 2011-06-15T21:28:12 *** thiagoss has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:28:16 fiferboy: I do both. If you can't continue after a reboot that's major bad. If you can, that's normal juju. 2011-06-15T21:28:20 sudo rm -f /etc/prelink.cache ; sudo /etc/cron.daily/prelink ; sudo rm -f /etc/readahead.packed ; sudo /etc/init.d/sreadahead-pack start 2011-06-15T21:29:54 you may not need all the args spelled out like i have, but i got http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem and i don't want fedora interfering w/ my updates 2011-06-15T21:30:17 npm: Thanks, that looks helpful 2011-06-15T21:31:18 i'm running my 'post upgrade' script which does the prelink/readahead whackage 2011-06-15T21:31:54 *** pmccarty has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:33:37 *** Weasel_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:35:17 * npm plays http://velocityconf.com/velocity2011/public/content/video as background music 2011-06-15T21:37:51 *** bergie has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:38:15 it survived init 3 ; init 5, though scary for a while because it took much longer to launch than normal 2011-06-15T21:40:07 npm: Does your "Settings" program look right? 2011-06-15T21:41:08 question: wat constitues an "app" 2011-06-15T21:41:20 could I begin live uploading new apps as fast I draw them? 2011-06-15T21:41:36 complete full app - designed to re-render what I draw here 2011-06-15T21:41:42 installer and app icon and everything 2011-06-15T21:41:52 +typing fixes 2011-06-15T21:42:04 settings works 2011-06-15T21:44:17 The main settings screen looks messed up for my new install of 20110614 2011-06-15T21:45:24 well it's messed up in that the toplevel wastes space and doesn't tell you there's stuff below general 2011-06-15T21:45:29 *** dneary_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:45:45 but in it's simplistic looking form, it seems ok 2011-06-15T21:46:40 Ok. My top level has all the entries printed overtop of each other and half off the top of the screen 2011-06-15T21:47:47 when you did your upgrades, did you check for rpmnew files, and integrate them? 2011-06-15T21:48:08 npm: I just did an install with the 20110614 image 2011-06-15T21:48:42 oh a fresh install? can't help you there. 2011-06-15T21:49:14 the last fresh install on this tablet was at meego conf at intel booth 2011-06-15T21:49:27 *** dneary has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:49:27 I'll try the next image before I get too worried. It looks like things were caught in the middle of a transition 2011-06-15T21:51:57 *** MarcA-N has quit IRC 2011-06-15T21:52:19 *** ahf has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:52:58 *** jargon- has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:54:05 *** wdouglas has joined #meego 2011-06-15T21:59:46 *** swc|666 has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:00:07 well it rebooted ok and seems to work, perhaps a little better 2011-06-15T22:00:12 *** pmcgowan has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:03:18 *** Richrd_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:03:34 *** mufumbo has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:04:11 *** leinir_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:04:16 actually, a lot better :-) 2011-06-15T22:05:50 npm: Does the interface seem to be updated? Slightly different theme and graphics? 2011-06-15T22:06:11 that happened on the first update 2011-06-15T22:06:18 *** WellMux has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:07:11 *** Richrd has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:07:50 Yeah, I knew it happened sometime in June I just wasn't sure when :) 2011-06-15T22:07:57 *** hugopl has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:07:59 *** isolor has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:08:09 hey guys, has someone tried the latest meego-builds on a wetab / exopc? i don't get them installed 2011-06-15T22:08:30 see above 2011-06-15T22:08:32 :-) 2011-06-15T22:08:37 yes. worksforme 2011-06-15T22:09:07 blindfish: Recent builds had a bug with the installer until today 2011-06-15T22:09:14 Latest image installs properly 2011-06-15T22:09:41 ooh, thank you ;) 2011-06-15T22:09:57 then i guess i have to try it 2011-06-15T22:10:25 *** harbaum has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:11:11 uhmm ... the 1.2.80-images were the stable-ones, right? 2011-06-15T22:11:45 blindfish: No, those are the 1.3 devel images 2011-06-15T22:12:00 1.2.0.90 are the 1.2.1 devel images 2011-06-15T22:12:11 *** ubIx_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:13:18 okay, thanks ;) 2011-06-15T22:14:55 *** jpe has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:15:41 *** pmcgowan has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:17:20 *** ubIx has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:18:15 *** lamikr has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:18:17 *** smoku has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:18:18 *** jpe_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:19:43 *** jpe has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:19:57 *** aparna_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:20:36 *** psycho_oreos has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:20:41 *** piggz has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:21:52 *** smoku has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:23:28 *** Richrd_ has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:23:40 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:23:45 *** Richrd_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:28:05 *** [XeN] has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:29:06 *** smoku has left #meego 2011-06-15T22:29:08 *** billyjam has quit IRC 2011-06-15T22:29:15 *** lbt_nur has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:29:17 *** smoku has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:29:52 *** Saviq is now known as Saviq_afk 2011-06-15T22:30:25 *** leinir_ has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:31:11 *** piggz has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:32:25 *** smoku has left #meego 2011-06-15T22:34:02 *** smoku has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:34:28 *** Recku has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:34:56 *** pmccarty has joined #meego 2011-06-15T22:35:24 are there any AMD developers in here? 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