| w00t | kaitlin_: ping | 00:00 |
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| kaitlin_ | w00t: Hi =) | 00:00 |
| w00t | hey there, I have a small meego-ux-contacts fix for you | 00:00 |
| w00t | how do you guys do contributions nowdays? mailing list, gitorious, ... | 00:01 |
| kaitlin_ | Most people have been doing a merge request through gitorious. That works well enough, although I don't always seem to get an email notification. A patch on the mailing list works for me as well. | 00:02 |
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| w00t | I'll submit on gitorious and drop you a link then, that works | 00:03 |
| kaitlin_ | That would be great, thanks! I try to check gitorious a few times a week, but I missed something last week due to lack of email notification and lack of checking ;) | 00:04 |
| * w00t tests his fix first | 00:05 | |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-contacts/merge_requests/4 | 00:12 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: tracker (and probably EDS) both support self contact, but my manager I'm writing doesn't.. so I noticed that things were pretty weird ;) | 00:12 |
| kaitlin_ | w00t: Ah, I like it already (reading through the description). I just caught up on the EDS thread, and was thinking about this. | 00:13 |
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| kaitlin_ | w00t: Looks good! No complaints after reading through. I'll test it out before I leave for the day (in the process of integrating something else at the moment). | 00:16 |
| w00t | sure | 00:16 |
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| w00t | thanks :) | 00:16 |
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| alterego | I might start calling Developer Edition, Community Edition from now on to confuse people. | 00:17 |
| alterego | And make everyone use my name :) | 00:17 |
| javispedro | alterego: call it hacker edition for extra points. | 00:17 |
| alterego | pfft | 00:17 |
| alterego | Cracker Edition (for whites) | 00:17 |
| * alterego wonders if that was racist. | 00:17 | |
| alterego | I guess by the stunned silence it probably was. | 00:19 |
| * alterego slowely backs away .. | 00:19 | |
| CosmoHill | white...hats? | 00:19 |
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| gabrbedd | alterego: call it iCE and you've got a deal. | 00:24 |
| * alterego shudders | 00:25 | |
| gabrbedd | MeeGo ME -- Munk Edition | 00:25 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:25 |
| alterego | No, god no not ME :P | 00:25 |
| gabrbedd | iMeeGoWeYuGo | 00:26 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo WiiWii | 00:28 |
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| gabrbedd | lol | 00:29 |
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| * lbt likes CE | 00:33 | |
| lbt | and since it's a Reference Vendor.... CERV | 00:33 |
| lbt | to Protect and CERV | 00:33 |
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| lbt | keeping MeeGo honest :) | 00:33 |
| CosmoHill | I like people on Maplin who buy netbooks with Windows CE and then ask about Vista or Windows XP on it | 00:34 |
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| * TSCHAKeee chuckles. | 00:34 | |
| javispedro | sounds too much like NERV | 00:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | there are still people who buy WinCE stuff? | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | "So you think you have NERV? Well do ya, punk?" | 00:34 |
| javispedro | TSCHAKeee: It's being slowly replaced with Android stuff. | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: yes, we'll call them "ill-informed" | 00:34 |
| * CosmoHill is talking about people who buy from Maplins | 00:35 | |
| CosmoHill | Maplin and Halfords have websites that just make you want to disable javascript | 00:35 |
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| dyrvere | An SQL Query walks into a bar, approaches two tables and asks, "Can I join you?" | 01:14 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 01:16 |
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| toninikkanen | dyrvere: The problem with UDP jokes is that there is no way to know, whether the audience got it | 01:38 |
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| dyrvere | there is also no way to know if the audience will get it if you don't try it first. right? | 01:39 |
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| toninikkanen | tcp jokes i will keep on retelling you until you get them | 01:42 |
| toninikkanen | UDP walks into a bar. The bartender does not acknowledge him. | 01:43 |
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| dyrvere | hehe | 01:44 |
| dyrvere | sorry, watching stream from E3. | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | this jokes are funny but I wouldn't try and pull with them | 01:45 |
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| dyrvere | git pull? | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | that work on people? | 01:47 |
| dyrvere | mhm, can meego integrate with the human brain yet? | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | does hitting a developer with a netbook count? | 01:48 |
| dyrvere | did you really? | 01:48 |
| dyrvere | and no, I don't think it does. | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | no I've not | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | I do throw phones at people tho | 01:49 |
| dyrvere | how many phones do you have? | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | same phone | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | btw, being hit in the knee with a SE K800i hurts | 01:50 |
| dyrvere | surprised the one you throw it at let you have it back :) | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | I've throw it at dogs before | 01:50 |
| dyrvere | haha | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | "he max awake?" (max is a german shepard) "I duno" *throws phone at max" | 01:51 |
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| CosmoHill | s/he/is/ | 01:52 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: "is max awake?" (max is a german shepard) "I duno" *throws phone at max" | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | I do throw laptops btw, but only when turned off / asleep and only onto soft things like beds or sofas | 01:53 |
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| dyrvere | Hmm, my phone broke and a friend gave me this Xperia X1, still thinking about if I really should thank him or not. | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | I was talking to my friend going "yeah..did you not get any of my texts over the last week?" he said no and I ripped my phone off the charger and throw it at the wall | 01:55 |
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| CosmoHill | so I've gone from a working sony that doesn't send my messages to a broken nokia that does | 01:56 |
| dyrvere | hmmm, yeah sony phones. is it the brand or the design you pay for? | 01:58 |
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| CosmoHill | I used to stick with sonys cos they seemed good for me and the price | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | the K800i and Nokia 6220c are both dad's old contract phones | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | tbh I should just get a candy bar I can text with but I also like taking pics when out and about without my D-SLR | 02:02 |
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| dyrvere | candybar? | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | not the slide, touch screen or flip | 02:15 |
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| dyrvere | it looks nice. | 02:17 |
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| CosmoHill | I like to be able to text without having to look at the phone | 02:18 |
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| CosmoHill | a skill most of us had in highschool | 02:18 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:21 |
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| * blauzahl thinks of an edible phone | 02:23 | |
| dyrvere | that would be nice, oh well hibernation mode. night | 02:23 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: what decides to put contacts in a given bucket? | 02:29 |
| w00t | I have a contact that is repeatedly being put into one named '#' which is totally wrong (name 'Zeds Lol' at present, but I don't think name matters) | 02:29 |
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| w00t | hmm, renaming it to 'Sam' caused a crash, restarting had it in the 'S' place though | 02:30 |
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| kaitlin_ | w00t: The LocaleUtils::getBinForString() call does. I try to use the ICU rules where possible, but there are some special rules for certain languages based on bugs filed by translation testers. | 02:30 |
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| w00t | and renaming it back to 'Z' put it back in '#'... | 02:31 |
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| kaitlin_ | Yikes.. it shouldn't crash at all.. Which locale is your system set for? | 02:31 |
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| w00t | well, the crash is probably something funny with my contacts engine, so don't worry about that | 02:31 |
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| w00t | will tell you shortly :) | 02:32 |
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| kaitlin_ | I haven't tested very many locales yet (that's up for this week), but it sounds like the binning logic in place currently is shaky. | 02:33 |
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| w00t | country is QLocale::AnyCountry | 02:35 |
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| w00t | the alpha check is returning true on all of them | 02:35 |
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| kaitlin_ | Ah, interesting. So in getExemplarForString(), we either get no indexes, or the indexes never match. | 02:38 |
| w00t | getExemplarForString is returning # | 02:38 |
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| * w00t tries something | 02:40 | |
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| w00t | nope.. what on earth :) | 02:41 |
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| kaitlin_ | w00t: I just reviewed your merge. Looks good. I'm going to merge that in. I can take a look at the AnyCountry issue after that. | 02:44 |
| w00t | ok | 02:45 |
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| kaitlin_ | I think ICU doesn't recognize AnyCountry as a valid locale, but getIndexBarChars() should still return A - Z as the set of characters... | 02:48 |
| kaitlin_ | And that should result in a match. | 02:48 |
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| w00t | it definitely should | 02:49 |
| w00t | it is... | 02:50 |
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| kaitlin_ | w00t: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-contacts/commits/master | 02:51 |
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| w00t | thanks | 02:52 |
| kaitlin_ | Thanks for catching that so fast =) | 02:52 |
| w00t | this really isn't making sense, it's searching for ascii 90 ('Z') correctly, as the start of the string.. getIndexBarChars contains it.. | 02:52 |
| w00t | it isn't the icu stuff in isLessThan, as I just made it fall back to the QString version for testing | 02:53 |
| kaitlin_ | Oh? That was going to be the next thing I looked at ;) | 02:54 |
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| w00t | hmm | 02:57 |
| w00t | it is something to do with isLessThan though | 02:57 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: with this, I get correct results (at least for my test data): http://pastebin.com/H5MP3eGm | 02:58 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: ah.. I bet I get it | 02:59 |
| kaitlin_ | Ah, definitely isLessThan() then. Oh.. just reproduced what you're seeint. | 03:00 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: your isLessThan doesn't guarentee that # will always pop to the bottom | 03:00 |
| kaitlin_ | Ohh.. yes, good call. It does not. | 03:01 |
| w00t | want me to fix that up? | 03:01 |
| kaitlin_ | That would be fantastic, since you spotted the issue. | 03:02 |
| w00t | sure :) | 03:02 |
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| kaitlin_ | Thanks for catching that! I saw something weird recently where a contact binned under '#' showed up in the middle of the list. I haven't been able to reproduce it since I added the getBinForString() call. But I that just masks the issue. | 03:04 |
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| w00t | hmm | 03:09 |
| w00t | it's doing odd things now (putting # in the middle of the list) | 03:09 |
| w00t | I don't understand that | 03:09 |
| w00t | I wonder if proxymodel's sorting is involved in this too | 03:09 |
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| kaitlin_ | Interesting - that's the issue I saw previously. I did a fair bit of rework and reshuffle on how the binning works, and that issue went away. The ProxyModel should use the isLessThan() call for it's sort method. | 03:12 |
| w00t | actually, there is still an issue here with locale | 03:12 |
| w00t | because I shouldn't even have a contact with # | 03:12 |
| * w00t frowns | 03:13 | |
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| w00t | okay, it's always finding the item, too | 03:18 |
| * w00t looks confused | 03:18 | |
| kaitlin_ | w00t: Taking another look now. Got a few pings from folks.. and looked away =) | 03:19 |
| w00t | *THIS* is weird | 03:20 |
| w00t | # is never being returned from that method, ever | 03:20 |
| boss | w00t: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | 03:20 |
| w00t | according to the current logging I have | 03:20 |
| w00t | yet I have a 'M' contact in a '#' bin in the middle of the list | 03:20 |
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| w00t | btw, isLessThan is also never called with # | 03:20 |
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| w00t | current debug: http://pastebin.com/yveKNXzy | 03:22 |
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| GonzoTheGreat | cd | 03:26 |
| w00t | [meego@localhost ~]$ | 03:27 |
| GonzoTheGreat | he he he | 03:27 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: even removing all references to a # bin in the locale .cpp... it's still there | 03:30 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: this appears to be somehow the fault of the QML | 03:31 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: with http://pastebin.com/AJfqVU3C, that '#' group in the middle is now 'i'mprobablybroken' | 03:31 |
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| kaitlin_ | The '#" on the QML side should just be a fallback though.. hmm.. | 03:33 |
| w00t | indeed | 03:34 |
| kaitlin_ | Odd, if I add the change in this pastebin, http://pastebin.com/yveKNXzy... I no longer see an issue. | 03:35 |
| w00t | starting to think this is a slightly more sinister problem | 03:36 |
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| w00t | right, I no longer see the *original* problem | 03:36 |
| w00t | I bet if I give you my test contact names, you'd see this too | 03:36 |
| w00t | should we try that? | 03:36 |
| kaitlin_ | That would be great. | 03:36 |
| kaitlin_ | It's an M contact that is giving you an issue, right? | 03:37 |
| w00t | yes | 03:37 |
| kaitlin_ | Which is odd, as my M contact is showing up under M... | 03:37 |
| w00t | I have other M contacts that work correctly | 03:38 |
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| kaitlin_ | Oh.. I see. | 03:38 |
| w00t | (I hate model problems with a firey passion) | 03:38 |
| kaitlin_ | Broken, broken. | 03:38 |
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| kaitlin_ | Haha =) I feel like the sorting stuff is terribly bolted together as it is. | 03:38 |
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| w00t | give me a moment to type these out | 03:39 |
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| kaitlin_ | We need an export all to vcard option ;) | 03:39 |
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| w00t | the one marked 'BROKEN' is, obviously, the one that is being put in a confused place | 03:43 |
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| w00t | I think special has seen some pretty epic bugs with ListView.section | 03:48 |
| w00t | I hope we're not running into them | 03:48 |
| kaitlin_ | w00t: Weird.. The broken one shows up for me correctly. | 03:49 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: ! | 03:49 |
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| kaitlin_ | Yeah, it's odd.. hold on.. let me get the diff. | 03:50 |
| w00t | let me revert eveyrthing back to how it was in case something else was still broken | 03:50 |
| special | any case where the sections in a ListView would change is horribly broken. | 03:51 |
| w00t | nope, still broken | 03:51 |
| kaitlin_ | The sections in a ListView are difficult to deal with, as there's not much control. =( | 03:51 |
| special | it's unusable unless your sections are static from initialization | 03:51 |
| special | and their contents. | 03:51 |
| kaitlin_ | w00t: http://pastebin.com/GkTcqGLN | 03:51 |
| w00t | I'll revert away from my custom manager too, just in case | 03:52 |
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| w00t | argh, adding all these contacts will be fun | 03:53 |
| * w00t attaches a usb keyboard :) | 03:53 | |
| kaitlin_ | I have one attached for that very reason.. sometimes it's too slow. | 03:54 |
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| w00t | hmmm | 04:02 |
| w00t | now they are showing ok | 04:02 |
| w00t | that doesn't make a lot of sense | 04:02 |
| * w00t switches manager again | 04:03 | |
| w00t | broken | 04:03 |
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| w00t | how can that be. | 04:03 |
| kaitlin_ | Just from changing the manager? | 04:04 |
| w00t | yes, well, slightly different test data and presumably ordering of contacts from the manager too | 04:06 |
| w00t | is there any way you can think of that I can easily eliminate proxymodel from things, just to make sure its sorting isn't interfering in this? | 04:07 |
| kaitlin_ | I wonder what would happen if you comment out the ProxyModel in main.qml | 04:09 |
| w00t | well, there's lots of other references to it | 04:10 |
| kaitlin_ | You'd have to change a lot of other things in main. | 04:10 |
| kaitlin_ | Yeah =( It used to not be like that. | 04:10 |
| w00t | I guess I can try go around and poket hem | 04:10 |
| kaitlin_ | You could have the ProxyModel::lessThan() always return true. | 04:11 |
| kaitlin_ | That would still enforce some sorting though. | 04:12 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: really interesting | 04:16 |
| w00t | with no proxy model, Marie Fjell shows up at the top of the list, with no sections at all | 04:16 |
| w00t | (no # or anything) | 04:16 |
| w00t | diff being http://w00t.dereferenced.net/p/t/debug.diff | 04:17 |
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| kaitlin_ | That's very strange.. is that the first contact you added? If you remove the proxy model, then the sorting should be whatever order they are returned from the manager. | 04:19 |
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| w00t | hard to say, this is.. a bit of a special manager, it's synchronising between devices, and I entered these contacts on a different, custom demo QML app a long time before I wrote the manager | 04:20 |
| w00t | let me try find out | 04:20 |
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| kaitlin_ | Ah, sounds cool. | 04:21 |
| w00t | yes, marie is the first contact returned | 04:22 |
| w00t | let me change that so one of the others is just to see what happens | 04:22 |
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| w00t | heh, yes | 04:25 |
| w00t | if marie is skipped totally, the next first contact is broken | 04:25 |
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| kaitlin_ | Oh really? But hmm... so why would changing the manager interfere with the ProxyModel sort? Even if the manager is doing something special with the first contact you return, the ProxyModel should handle it properly. | 04:27 |
| w00t | no, the manager is totally braindead simple | 04:27 |
| * w00t tries skipping all except one contact | 04:27 | |
| w00t | heh, that's curious | 04:28 |
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| w00t | I have an empty state "you have no contacts" underneath my contacts list | 04:28 |
| kaitlin_ | I was looking into that bug today ;) | 04:29 |
| kaitlin_ | It's due to this line of code: Binding{target: emptyListView; property: "opacity"; value: ((cardListView.count == 1) ? 1 : 0);} in the GroupedViewPortrait.qml | 04:30 |
| kaitlin_ | If you just have the meCard, you want to show that screen. But... if you search or filter your list so that you just have one contact, you don't want to see it. So we need to improve the condition statement there. | 04:31 |
| w00t | no, I have no me card | 04:32 |
| w00t | (no self contact) | 04:32 |
| kaitlin_ | Yeah, that's because the conditional doesn't detect whether its a meCard. It just checks to see how many cards are in the list. | 04:33 |
| * w00t hmms some more | 04:33 | |
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| kaitlin_ | But that's unrelated to the sorting issue at least =) | 04:34 |
| kaitlin_ | http://pastebin.com/uK09iVMx <-- Should prevent the "you have no contacts" from showing up. | 04:37 |
| w00t | *nod* | 04:37 |
| w00t | shipit | 04:37 |
| kaitlin_ | Excellent, thanks for the test =) I have to run it by Connie first for code review. | 04:39 |
| kaitlin_ | But I'm still really puzzled but the sorting issue. I'm not sure I understand it =( | 04:39 |
| w00t | well, there has to be something funky going on.. I'll keep researching for a bit | 04:40 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: what Qt version do you have? | 04:42 |
| * w00t has qt-4.7.2-7.5.src.rpm | 04:43 | |
| kaitlin_ | libqtcore4-4.7.2-7.7.i586 | 04:44 |
| w00t | kaitlin_: AHA | 04:46 |
| w00t | I see it | 04:46 |
| w00t | fixed | 04:47 |
| w00t | "how could it change with the manager" you say | 04:47 |
| w00t | "self contact not supported" is my answer | 04:47 |
| w00t | I'll push an MR to gitorious with the sorting fix and this fixed | 04:48 |
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| kaitlin_ | Ohh.... so it was erroneously treating the first contact as a self contact? | 04:49 |
| w00t | yes | 04:51 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-contacts/merge_requests/5 | 04:53 |
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| w00t | next thing i'd like to look at is why the contact editor is so horrifically slow to open | 04:56 |
| w00t | it takes like 5-7 seconds on my exopc | 04:57 |
| kaitlin_ | Yes, it's terrible. It used to not be that bad. | 04:57 |
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| w00t | kaitlin_: np.. thanks for all your help, anyway | 05:03 |
| w00t | :) | 05:03 |
| w00t | glad we got it sorted, even if they were (indirectly) mostly my issues :-P | 05:03 |
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| kaitlin_ | w00t: Just looked at your patch. Oops! I should have checked for that when I reviewed your other patch. Good catch there. | 05:11 |
| w00t | I even searched for other instances | 05:11 |
| w00t | I'm not sure how I missed it | 05:11 |
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| kaitlin_ | =) | 05:13 |
| kaitlin_ | w00t: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-contacts/commits/master Thanks for the fixes! | 05:15 |
| w00t | np | 05:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wmarone_, chroot?! | 05:17 |
| gabrbedd | GeneralAntilles: gesundheit! | 05:18 |
| timeless | gan: i'm employed! | 05:21 |
| timeless | sadly i'm not getting a paycheck for 2 weeks | 05:21 |
| gabrbedd | timeless: woot! | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, that's a long wait. | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | gabrbedd, Nomovok MeeGo on Nook Color demo was just a chroot. . . . | 05:24 |
| gabrbedd | GeneralAntilles: cool. it sounded like you sneezed, though. :-) | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | gabrbedd: not cool. Irritating wind-up. :P | 05:26 |
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| w00t | GeneralAntilles: wth | 05:32 |
| w00t | source? | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3037&page=4 | 05:32 |
| w00t | heh | 05:33 |
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| gabrbedd | GeneralAntilles: Ah, I get it now. Are the droid sources unavailable? | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think the relevant sources are all available. | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Nomovok hasn't made anything available. | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Slightly irrelevant since it's just a chroot anyway. | 05:36 |
| gabrbedd | Well, their main selling point for their service is their expertise in getting accelerated graphics on ARM devices with MeeGo... | 05:38 |
| gabrbedd | So it looks like it was decent advertising for their skilz. | 05:39 |
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| gabrbedd | And I don't think MeeGo looked too bad in the deal... even if it was a never-see-the-light-of-day demo. | 05:39 |
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| gabrbedd | looks like the first half of the meegoconf videos are up. | 06:02 |
| berndhs | real TV people would have put up the first half of each one, to be continued,... | 06:04 |
| sofar | scary, a video of me... online | 06:05 |
| sofar | YIKES | 06:05 |
| * sofar wonders if anyone rated his talk, and how | 06:06 | |
| * gabrbedd rates sofar's talk as -3 FLAIMBAIT | 06:08 | |
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| gabrbedd | Actually, I didn't officially rate it... but I think it was good. | 06:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sofar: which talk did you give? | 06:10 |
| gabrbedd | GeneralAntilles: systemd | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha | 06:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles didn't go. | 06:10 | |
| gabrbedd | sofar: Also, it was pretty cool when I was looking into the Linux Plumbers Conf., and the work that you an Arjan did on fast booting is being used as the poster-child for what the conf. is all about. | 06:11 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 06:11 |
| berndhs | if you want your system to go down, there's nothing like systemd :) | 06:11 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Yes. Fast shutdown, too. | 06:12 |
| gabrbedd | :-p | 06:12 |
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| sofar | first time I shutdown with systemd in meego I though it died | 06:13 |
| sofar | THUNK | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, went to Qt5 Arch during that slot. | 06:13 |
| berndhs | i'm going to sleep before the cheerful morning people get here | 06:16 |
| berndhs | good night folks | 06:16 |
| gabrbedd | sofar: :-) | 06:16 |
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| gabrbedd | berndhs: good night, sir! | 06:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Morning. | 06:38 |
| * SpeedEvil should go to sleep. | 06:38 | |
| * SpeedEvil stops reading bq21450 datasheet. | 06:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | (you can't reliably just connect a bare li-ion cell to the n900 USB port and have it work well) | 06:39 |
| iekku | morning | 06:41 |
| gabrbedd | good morning | 06:41 |
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| npm | good for some value of time x | 08:32 |
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| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meegotab-screenshots.html -- the good, the bad, and the glitchy | 08:36 |
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| wmarone_ | GeneralAntilles: yes, stskeeps relayed the ifno | 08:46 |
| wmarone_ | info* | 08:46 |
| wmarone_ | which means the kernel still needs a proper port | 08:46 |
| wmarone_ | best would be scrubbing of all android-isms and actually pushing the patches/board files upstream | 08:46 |
| GAN900 | Yes, that'd be nice | 08:48 |
| GAN900 | A few people picked them up in SF, so hopefully there'll be manpower for it. | 08:48 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:41 |
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| iksaif | mikeleib could you check the patch proposed here https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14844 ? | 10:06 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 14844 maj, Medium, ---, michael.leibowitz, ASSI, geoclue uses old connman service name | 10:06 |
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| iksaif | (and could this be fixed in an 1.2 update ?) | 10:07 |
| mikeleib | this will be fixed in a 1.2 update | 10:07 |
| mikeleib | I'll look at the patch tomorrow.. It's quite late here | 10:07 |
| iksaif | right, thanks :) the patch is quite simple anyway | 10:08 |
| iksaif | basically -connman +networkmanager | 10:08 |
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| mikeleib | wait..huh? | 10:09 |
| iksaif | hum .. I must admit that I didn't check that meego is really using networkmanager .. but since it doesn't seems to use connman .. maybe it's just the conman dbus path that's wrong ? | 10:10 |
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| mikeleib | meego uses connman, but the service named changed since geoclue implemented it | 10:11 |
| mikeleib | also, one of the interfaces it uses has disappeared | 10:11 |
| iksaif | ah ok, then ignore this patch :/ | 10:11 |
| mikeleib | will do | 10:11 |
| iksaif | I'll see if I can write a real patch this evening | 10:12 |
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| Zahra | DAMN! meego SDK not supported on Gentoo! | 10:22 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, ping | 11:11 |
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| mikhas | we need to know whether MeeGo Terminal is a reference app for MeeGo or not | 11:12 |
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| lcuk | mikhas, it needs to be put onto the build first to allow some wider testing? | 11:13 |
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| mikhas | lcuk, I wouldnt say it should replace xterm immediately | 11:14 |
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| mikhas | anyhow, we are a bit lost about the release engineering process, and how to proceed | 11:15 |
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| Greatgib | Do someone now why the meego repo structure was modified? and why the trunk disappeared? | 11:21 |
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| lcuk | Greatgib, link to where you were expecting it ? | 11:21 |
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| pancake | libmeegotouch-git build failed: widgets/mtextedit.cpp:991:16: error: variable ‘block’ set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable] | 11:28 |
| pancake | it's using -Werror | 11:28 |
| lcuk | mikhas, alterego just asked in -arm if the new term has even been submitted for inclusion in images | 11:29 |
| Greatgib | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.80/latest/repos/oss/ | 11:30 |
| Greatgib | avant c'etait : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ | 11:30 |
| Greatgib | s/avant c'etait/before it was | 11:30 |
| Greatgib | so now, you need to switch the repo each time a new version come out? | 11:30 |
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| lcuk | Greatgib, could it be simply oversight? | 11:34 |
| lcuk | ie, if you file a bug relating it can be cured | 11:34 |
| mikhas | pancake, submit a patch? | 11:34 |
| mikhas | release builds are not using -Werror, so that warning probably slipped | 11:35 |
| pancake | im building with -w right now | 11:35 |
| Greatgib | lcuk: ? ok, bug I don't think that it is a bug, repositories don't disappear one day by magic i suppose :p | 11:37 |
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| lcuk | Greatgib, filing a bug though (since something changed that you were using?) would allow that to be checked | 11:38 |
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| lcuk | it is no harm if you file a bug and it is closed as wontfix, usually you will get something important: a reason | 11:39 |
| Greatgib | lcuk: ok. Anyway, you didn't heard about something like that before? | 11:39 |
| lcuk | no | 11:39 |
| lcuk | I do stuff around the n900-de | 11:39 |
| lcuk | and am just a user on the netbook | 11:39 |
| pancake | mikhas: do i need to report this unused var? | 11:39 |
| lcuk | Greatgib, though missing repositories might have been part of reason for somethings I was looking at yesterday | 11:40 |
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| mikhas | pancake, might be better. otherwise I forget it | 11:43 |
| pancake | which compiler do you use? this warning is new in gcc 4.6 | 11:44 |
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| mikhas | a very old one :-) | 11:48 |
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| Greatgib | Hum someone did a bug that is related to my problem: | 11:55 |
| Greatgib | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13771 | 11:55 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 13771 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Add symlinks to "latest", "daily" and "weekly" persistant logical paths in the repos | 11:55 |
| alterego | Comment on it? :) | 11:57 |
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| pancake | mikhas: where should I report this? | 11:58 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:59 |
| arfoll_ | can someone quickly confirm that on meego netbook we are using openGL and not GLES? | 12:00 |
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| lcuk | arfoll_, is there a command line to confirm it? | 12:03 |
| lcuk | ie, how would people know how to let you know | 12:04 |
| arfoll_ | lcuk, I guess es2info would suffice | 12:04 |
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| arfoll_ | you probably need egl-utils | 12:05 |
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| lcuk | arfoll_, on my netbook build installing egl-utils installs, then running elginfo says egl_dri2.so has missign symbol | 12:07 |
| lcuk | missing | 12:07 |
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| arfoll_ | lcuk, ok thanks, apparently it does work, but on my meego 1.1 netbook it doesn't | 12:09 |
| arfoll_ | guess I should install 1.2 | 12:09 |
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| mikhas | pancake, bugs.meego.com? oh wait, you cannot report LMT bugs for 1.3 there | 12:17 |
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| mikhas | oh man, fail | 12:17 |
| pancake | yeah, created account and preparing the report :) | 12:17 |
| pancake | my first contrib to meego :P | 12:18 |
| mikhas | cool | 12:18 |
| pancake | kinda silly one, but still contrib | 12:18 |
| mikhas | no dont say that | 12:19 |
| mikhas | everything starts small | 12:19 |
| w00t | soon, you're trying to figure out why the contacts application is screwing up the first contact it loads for 3 hours past midnight and cackling insanely | 12:19 |
| w00t | (not that I speak from experience or anything) | 12:19 |
| pancake | i cant find the correct category for the bug | 12:20 |
| lcuk | pancake, every journey begins with a single footstep :) | 12:21 |
| mikhas | pancake, would be https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?product=MeeGo%20Touch%20Framework&component=Library&resolution=--- | 12:21 |
| pancake | ok :) | 12:22 |
| lcuk | w00t, first contect is messing up? did you follow starfleet protocols? | 12:22 |
| lcuk | contact even | 12:22 |
| pancake | grmf, ff4 is frozen again.. i will have to repeat the bug :/ | 12:24 |
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| pancake | mikhas: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18664 | 12:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 18664 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, Build failed for libmeegotouch-git | 12:29 |
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| lcukabc | yayy daily testing image of n900-de is up | 12:56 |
| lcukabc | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110606.2.DE.2011-06-07.1/ | 12:56 |
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| Zahra | raw image is about 200 meg smaller than 1.2.0.90.1! | 13:08 |
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| bkalinga | I have three .pro files all three crates 3 .so | 13:33 |
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| bkalinga | is it possible to put all them in a single .pro file to create a single .rpm file | 13:33 |
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| bkalinga | i am using meego-sdk-qtcreator to create .rpm file and install it to the QEMU | 13:34 |
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| bkalinga | i used TEMPLATE = subdirs | 13:36 |
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| bkalinga | but the rrpmbuild folder getting created at three places | 13:41 |
| bkalinga | how they will be merged to create a single package | 13:42 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: You're feeding the TMO thread rumour mill? | 13:48 |
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| alterego | :) | 13:49 |
| alterego | Only a little | 13:49 |
| alterego | Jaffa: did you see this "Hactivate" event in London? | 13:50 |
| alterego | I got an invite for it yesterday | 13:50 |
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| mikhas | Jaffa, alterego: rumors? I just had lunch, I could need something funny | 13:51 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I did. Not sure I'm that ethical | 13:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:52 |
| alterego | mikhas: I head the Harmattan device can self replicate. | 13:52 |
| alterego | heard .. | 13:52 |
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| Jaffa | I heard the Harmattan device came back in time to stop John Connor being born | 13:53 |
| alterego | I heard the Harmattan devices' CPU is a neural network, it is a learning computer .. | 13:54 |
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| mikhas | Jaffa, well I heard that John Connor came back to stop the Harmattan device | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Explains why we're quantumly swapping between it being released, being the best thing EVAR and... it not | 14:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:02 |
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| alterego | And there apparently being two devices. | 14:02 |
| alterego | Maybe there's a bit of quantum entanglement going on. | 14:03 |
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| RST38h | No, no | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Harmattan device is otherwise known as Satan's very own remote control. | 14:13 |
| RST38h | That is why Elop is so bent on killing it: he is battling the forces of evil, for all the good faithful people of the earth | 14:13 |
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| bkalinga | anyone has any idea how to create an .rpm file from .pro file? | 14:15 |
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| bkalinga | meego-sdk-qtcreator generates a .spec file when i load my .pro file | 14:24 |
| bkalinga | but I don't see Buildroot in that | 14:25 |
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| bkalinga | how can I change that path | 14:27 |
| bkalinga | i want to give an absolute path like "/home/kalinga/projects/masterbuild-build-meego" | 14:27 |
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| pancake | MThemePrivate: pixmapChangedSlot - pixmap reload failed (null handle): "default_pixmap_meegotouch-button-background-pressed_0_0" | 15:06 |
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| pancake | where' meegotouch looking for the pixmaps? | 15:06 |
| mikhas | gets it from theme daemon | 15:07 |
| mikhas | pixmaps can be extracted from SVG's (multiple pixmaps) or PNG's (one pixmap) | 15:08 |
| mikhas | check /usr/share/themes/{base,n900de,meego}/meegotouch | 15:08 |
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| lbt_hel | X-Fade ping | 15:20 |
| lbt_hel | and Stskeeps | 15:21 |
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| pancake | mikhas: i already have meegotouch-theme installed, but meegotouch demo cant find those pixmaps | 16:23 |
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| mikhas | pancake, hum. is theme daemon running? | 16:27 |
| mikhas | try with -local-theme | 16:27 |
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| pancake | uh? which theme daemon? | 16:29 |
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| pancake | same with -local-theme | 16:30 |
| pancake | let me strace it | 16:30 |
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| pancake | btw, another strange thing, running the widgetsgallery with strace | 16:31 |
| pancake | results in 3584 calls to getpid() | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | <lamikr> lcuk Do you have link for this thiago email considering the slowness? | 16:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> lamikr, it was not an email, but in part he also wrote something up - just a mo I will find the conversation | 16:34 |
| lcuk | <lamikr> lcuk thanks, that would be helpful. | 16:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> continued into the next day | 16:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-04-01.log.html#t2011-04-01T00:03:11 | 16:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> myself, thiago, w00t and a few others | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> talking quite indepth about app startup | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> and thiago had many specifics of the qt stack already under consideration | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> app startup time is a known problem | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> thiago_home http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/04/moving-code-around/ and http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/05/moving-code-around-more-easily/ | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> were good posts on the startup issues I recall | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> I went on my holidays then, for the next week many people did a ~seen lcuk :$ | 16:35 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> it said: "lcuk thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?" | 16:35 |
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| pancake | mikhas: ? | 16:50 |
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| mikhas | pancake, no idea right now, sorry | 16:51 |
| pancake | whats the name of this theme daemon? | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: you pinged? | 16:52 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps, about MeeGo Terminal, and how to proceed with getting it into MeeGo. but you also got mail, so there | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: for DE, just submit it - for MeeGo 1.3 trunk, need a FEA# | 17:01 |
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| alterego | mikhas: try reflashing .. | 18:15 |
| mikhas | yeah, did that several times already | 18:16 |
| mikhas | even different image | 18:16 |
| npm | 08:16:37 up 645 days, 18:51, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 18:16 |
| thp | ARGH! someone please fix that annoying SSO bug with the wiki: http://bugs.meego.com/5230 | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morn arjan, finally getting around to watch the architecture talk :) | 19:28 |
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| talmage | Who here has experience with QContactManager? | 19:39 |
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| talmage | I'd like to know if QTMOBILITY-1647 (http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1647) applies to Meego. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be a good thing to ask pohly and co about maybe | 19:43 |
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| talmage | It's a question of the kinds imagery files that one can have as avatars. On Symbian^3, QContactManager doesn't like PNGs. | 19:44 |
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| talmage | Thanks. | 19:48 |
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| w00t | talmage: it doesn't apply, no | 19:48 |
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| talmage | w00t: thanks. Good to know. | 19:49 |
| talmage | Obviously, I haven't tried it myself on Meego or I'd know. | 19:49 |
| talmage | Working to remedy that! | 19:49 |
| w00t | :) | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | the gpe mini browser in the n900-de is quite speedy | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i cannot decide if that is because it is running well | 20:39 |
| lcuk | or because the 3 toolbars are occupying lots of the space | 20:39 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: resize the web page display to 0 pixels, and benchmark that :) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | that is not a good comparison, but loading and attempting to use browser (on newly working wifi!) was much improved ux | 20:43 |
| lcuk | even loading the browser itself was faster | 20:44 |
| berndhs | well, its still interesting to know how much is the display and rendering, and how much the rest | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | sigh, now after closing and reopening it it is not resolving web pages | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | I was now everything is loaded, the mozilla browser is performing | 20:47 |
| lcuk | -I was | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | what makes gpe browser so much faster startup than the mozilla browser? | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | it was made for a ipaq, probably | 22:29 |
| lcuk | it is quite a big difference, also it is coming up with gtk look | 22:29 |
| lcuk | I gather it is gtk app | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, how is TMP | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | warm as hell | 22:31 |
| lcuk | lol is that the hotel or in general outside too? | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | outside | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | hotel is nice and cool | 22:32 |
| lcuk | excellent | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | now I can put n900-de onto wifi I can take it out with me :) | 22:36 |
| lcuk | start to see how much day/day | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | don't rely on it for receiving calls about labor having started | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:36 |
| lcuk | last bit does not make sense? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 22:37 |
| lcuk | from tracy :D | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes.. | 22:37 |
| lcuk | that is only a positive thing! | 22:37 |
| lcuk | "ahhh phoey, I was in the pub enjoying a pint" | 22:37 |
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| Stskeeps | "n900de didn't notify me of your call, blame the team" | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:38 |
| lcuk | "see tracy, told you you should have commented and voted for bug 14474" | 22:38 |
| lcuk | knowing her, she will file a bug after the fact | 22:39 |
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| vgrade | DE, delivery edition | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, :D | 22:44 |
| lcuk | we need to get Nokia N900 Push team involved! :P | 22:44 |
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| iekku | push up team? | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | not quite | 22:47 |
| * lcuk notes that this baby will be first to have complete digital record of driting and drawing :) | 22:47 | |
| lcuk | writing | 22:47 |
| lcuk | doh | 22:47 |
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| gandhijee | hey, what would one have to do to port meego to a new phone | 22:48 |
| lcuk | gandhijee, mention the model name to vgrade | 22:48 |
| lcuk | he probably already did it in his sleep last week | 22:48 |
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| gandhijee | who is vgrade? do i just send him a msg | 22:48 |
| lcuk | it was more a joke, what phone is it | 22:49 |
| gandhijee | oh | 22:49 |
| lcuk | and what does it run currently | 22:49 |
| gandhijee | LG Vortex | 22:49 |
| gandhijee | android | 22:49 |
| vgrade | gandhijee, the new 3d job | 22:49 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, smile creating photo of the day http://liqbase.net/liq.20110607_185243.liqdesign2.scr.png | 22:49 |
| gandhijee | ? | 22:50 |
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| vgrade | ah, not the 3d one, http://www.lg.com/uk/mobile-phones/all-lg-phones/LG-android-mobile-phone-P920.jsp?s_kwcid=TC|14994|LG%203D%20mobile||S|b|13645829133 | 22:52 |
| vgrade | googling vortex | 22:52 |
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| gandhijee | oh, not its a super cheap CDMA verizon android phone | 22:57 |
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| gandhijee | vgrade: its this one http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-VS660-Violet.jsp | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | First. | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Find out if it's got enough storage/RAM | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Second - see if it can be rooted | 23:00 |
| gandhijee | how much storage and ram does it need | 23:00 |
| gandhijee | second part is already done. | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | If it runs android 2.2 - then probably. | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Also. | 23:00 |
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| thiago_home | do you have a flasher tool? Do you know how to boot a custom kernel on that device? | 23:01 |
| gandhijee | thiago: yes, and yes, but i haven't done it yet. i was going to put gingerbread on it, then someone handed me this N900 and it seemed pretty sweet with the mameo os, so i thought i'd try meego on my handset | 23:02 |
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| vgrade | gandhijee, looks like from the specs ARM6 that is a device with a non supported CPU | 23:04 |
| gandhijee | meego has no support for ARM6 is what your saying, correct? | 23:05 |
| gandhijee | or the toolchain thats used to build meego doesn't support the ARM6 processor | 23:05 |
| gandhijee | ? | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | nothing supports ARM6 | 23:05 |
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| thiago_home | I think you mean ARMv6 (which is ARM11) | 23:06 |
| gandhijee | whoops | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | but no, MeeGo builds require ARMv7 | 23:06 |
| gandhijee | yes, ARMv6 | 23:06 |
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| gandhijee | thats kinda sucks =/ | 23:06 |
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| andyross | Well, certainly something must support ARM6. But yeah, MeeGo-on-Newton isn't gonna happen anytime soon | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - why can't you simply recompile? | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | andyross: take a look at the list here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qsignalmapper.html#setMapping-4 | 23:09 |
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| thiago_home | ARM6 processors got all the way to 33 MHz | 23:09 |
| * andyross was mostly making a joke about the Newon. He knows :) | 23:09 | |
| gandhijee | how can i find out what video processor this thing has? | 23:10 |
| thiago_home | gandhijee: you can recompile, yes | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't believe it's running ARM6 | 23:10 |
| thiago_home | do you want to recompile the entire operating system? | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | On android 2.2 | 23:10 |
| gandhijee | its ARMv6 | 23:10 |
| gandhijee | Processor: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 5 (v6l) | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | armv6 means ARM11 | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 23:12 |
| thiago_home | yes | 23:13 |
| andyross | ARMn are circuit designs, armvN are instruction architecture standards. In a few cases there have been competing implementations(StrongARM/XScale weren't from ARM ltd) | 23:13 |
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| thiago_home | the problem I have in ARM is that ARMv6 has no SMP support | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | the way SMP support was made for ARMv7 requires a new instruction that wasn't present in ARMv6 | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | so the conclusion is that it's impossible to write SMP-safe code for ARMv6 | 23:18 |
| gandhijee | are there even any multicore ARMv6 procs? | 23:18 |
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| thiago_home | no | 23:18 |
| thiago_home | there aren't, so it isn't a problem for ARMv6 | 23:18 |
| thiago_home | it's only a problem if you want to run ARMv6 code on a Cortex-A9 | 23:18 |
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| LoneWolf_ | there's kernel helper for dealing with that though | 23:19 |
| thiago_home | yes, the EABI one | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | Qt has hand-written assembly though to make it slightly faster and smaller code | 23:20 |
| thiago_home | which means that any code compiled with Qt for ARMv6 is by definition not SMP-safe | 23:20 |
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| vgrade | gandhijee, meego was built in the early days for armv5tel which could run on your device (slowly) but this was depreciated at Meego 1.0. | 23:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | vgrade: See above comments | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | armv6 will not be shipping in any newly released product. | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ^mass market) | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - maybe routers | 23:35 |
| thiago_home | routers are mostly MIPS | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 23:35 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he could make a mips toolchain easily. | 23:35 | |
| * CosmoHill points to cross-lfs | 23:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, the target is a fairly old linux, on an odd libc | 23:37 |
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| * CosmoHill points to the old releases on the cross-lfs site | 23:38 | |
| gandhijee | how do i go about figuring out what GFx core i have i this phone? | 23:38 |
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| CosmoHill | gandhijee: "lspci" ? | 23:38 |
| gandhijee | nope | 23:39 |
| vgrade | gandhijee, arduino 200 | 23:39 |
| gandhijee | that won't work, i servery doubt my phone has a PCI bus | 23:39 |
| gandhijee | oh. | 23:39 |
| gandhijee | thanks vgrade | 23:39 |
| gandhijee | i guess what are the drivers for that, i googled for that fx processor. but i just get stuff about the arduino instead | 23:40 |
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| vgrade | gandhijee, No accelerated MSM/QSD qualcomm drivers for linux that why I think your MeeGo port is theoretically possible (if you rebuild the whole thing for arm5vtel) but will be so slow as not to be usable | 23:45 |
| vgrade | sorry | 23:45 |
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| gandhijee | so how to they do the acc in android with that graphics core? | 23:46 |
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| gandhijee | i think i could use the android linux kernel with the meego userspace, no? | 23:46 |
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| thiago_home | yes, probably | 23:47 |
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