IRC log of #meego for Monday, 2011-06-06

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berndhsbacon, not sprouts !01:06
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dyrveremmmm, bacon.01:08
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lcukmmm bacon.01:11
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lbtbacon, avacado and mayonaise.... tomorrow01:23
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CosmoHillcyas01:32
berndhsnight01:32
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CosmoHillhayfever still sucks01:33
berndhsit does01:33
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lcukhttp://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/04/07/qml-perfomance-monitor/01:38
lcukjust because I refound it01:38
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dyrveremayonaise, is good for you.02:02
SpeedEvilAs part of a balanced diet, yes.02:03
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dyrverebtw, Icculus is the go-to-guy for porting games to GNU/Linux, anyone else doing that but him these days?02:06
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Alison_ChaikenThis http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/understanding_meego/ is awesome, in case anyone missed it.   Strikes precisely the right tone.04:56
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Alison_ChaikenBig up to you, bergie.04:57
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gabrbeddany dbus wizards around?05:46
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gabrbeddThis doesn't work for me... dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=unix:path=/tmp/meego-im-uiserver/imserver_dbus /com/meego/inputmethod/uiserver1 com.meego.inputmethod.uiserver1.showInputMethod05:48
gabrbeddFails an assert05:48
gabrbeddIs it valid to put a socket path for --dest ??05:49
berndhson my f15 it dumps core05:49
berndhsit shoulnd work, the arguments are nonsense on f15, but not dump core05:50
gabrbeddberndhs: yeah, I get a core as well.05:52
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GeneralAntillesSo, did Nomovok release any source?05:57
GeneralAntilleswmarone_, see that?05:58
wmarone_yeah I saw that05:58
wmarone_kinda hard to compete with someone paid to work on it ;)05:58
wmarone_and I haven't seen anything yet05:58
gabrbeddsee what?05:59
wmarone_gabrbedd: Novomok ported MeeGo to the Nook Color06:00
gabrbeddAh.06:01
berndhsvery commendable06:01
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GeneralAntilleswmarone_, well, yeah, but I figure there must be some way we can benefit from it. :P06:16
GeneralAntillesNo source, though. :<06:16
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wmarone_yeah06:17
wmarone_doesn't do us any good unless they release at least the kernel sources06:17
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wmarone_since I'm assuming that means they ported the necessary (non-SGX) bits to 2.6.35 or 2.6.3706:17
wmarone_or (worse) backported stuff to 2.6.29/3206:18
GeneralAntillesBetter damn release them.06:19
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wmarone_GeneralAntilles: are you on twitter?06:22
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GeneralAntilleswmarone_: GeneralAntilles, yes.06:26
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bergiethanks, Alison_Chaiken07:05
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Alison_Chaikenbergie, your writing is convincing and credible because you don't claim that success is assured or that MeeGo is the answer to all problems.07:06
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GeneralAntillesThat would just be a sign of brain damage.07:09
GeneralAntilles'morning, bergie. :)07:10
akkI'm curious about the "MeeGo Community Apps" mentioned -- I know about OBS but is there more info on the web frontend and client application?07:10
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akk(mentioned in bergie's article)07:11
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smokuakk, http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-02-01-19.59.html07:14
akksmoku: So, it doesn't actually exist, but it was decided in February that eventually there should be one?07:16
smokuThere are some efforts on the backend and some hacking on the frontend side.  But you need to ask the people involved for details. I think Dawn knows more.07:17
akkSo bergie might be jumping the gun a little in saying it already exists.07:19
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smoku"the upcoming" means exactly opposite ;P07:22
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GonzoTheGreatI posted a thing about the outdated front page of meego.com in the forum, but no action. Who can change that page?07:25
dm8tbrGonzoTheGreat: the conference still up there?07:26
* dm8tbr checks and LOLs hard07:26
GonzoTheGreat"Register for the MeeGo conference today!"07:27
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StskeepsGonzoTheGreat: bugs.meego.com is a good start :P07:29
Stskeepsor poking DawnFoster07:29
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* dm8tbr is filing a bug at bugs.meego.com right now07:30
* GonzoTheGreat thinks yet another registration page07:30
GonzoTheGreatthanks dm8tbr07:31
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dm8tbrbug 1861307:34
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18613 cri, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, meego.com still shows SF Conference registration on front page07:34
dm8tbrGonzoTheGreat: your meego.com account should work IIRC07:35
GonzoTheGreatit does. It was premature frustration07:36
GonzoTheGreatyet another login page...07:36
dm8tbryep07:36
Stskeepsat least we have fairly working SSU, compared to maemo.org07:36
dm8tbrbtw: you're not the first one to notice/complain - Others did so before here, including me.07:37
dm8tbrStskeeps: well, waaaay to go if meego wants to be "that linux based BUSINESS thing". just saying07:37
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GonzoTheGreatAnd not integrated with the main meego page...07:38
Stskeepsdm8tbr: unupdated webpage sucks, agreed07:38
GonzoTheGreatnot even a back link07:38
Stskeepsdm8tbr: in fact, i advocate razing most of it07:38
Stskeeps:P07:38
dm8tbrStskeeps: for more openness? SCNR *duck* *run*07:38
Stskeepsdm8tbr: stating some things up front would be good07:39
StskeepsSCNR?07:39
iekkugood morning07:39
Stskeepsmorn iekku07:39
dm8tbrsorry, couldn't resist = SCNR07:39
Stskeepsah07:39
* Stskeeps is so on the wrong side of his morning07:39
iekkuStskeeps, coming here tomorrow, i assume?07:39
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Stskeepsiekku: flying at around 13.20 from here07:40
iekkuStskeeps, ok :)07:41
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DawnFosterStskeeps: hmmm?07:44
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StskeepsDawnFoster: people noting meego.com frontpage looks out of date, due to "Register for the meego conference today" etc07:45
Stskeeps(bug 18613)07:45
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18613 cri, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, meego.com still shows SF Conference registration on front page07:45
DawnFosterStskeeps: ah, we're going to replace it with a watch the videos graphic tomorrow when the rest of the videos go up07:45
Stskeepsah, good07:45
bergieakk: http://apps-beta.meego.com/applications/07:48
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Stskeepsmorn andre__08:23
andre__heja Stskeeps!08:23
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Venemo_N900good morning MeeGoists :)09:15
iekkugood morning Venemo_N900 :)09:19
Venemo_N900:)09:19
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SantoshHello.. i was working in meego Netbook and i had socket connection issues and I reboot meego..09:34
Santoshnow it is not loading the UI09:35
Santoshif i check /var/log/messages it shows..09:35
SantoshGLIB-CRITICAL Could nt create files09:35
Santoshcould not connect to socket09:35
Santoshetc09:35
Santoshwhat is wrong.. can somebody help to fix the issue pls?09:36
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SantoshAlso it switches between terminal window, to UI.. (C+A+F7). .so i guess the init script runs recursively09:37
Santoshhowever fails to load UI due to some permission / misconfiguration//09:37
Santosh??09:37
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Venemo_N900I've always wanted to ask, how can someone obtain one of those ideapads that were given away in the meego conf?09:38
dm8tbryou can buy them, I hear09:38
dm8tbror could, dunno if that's still possible09:38
dm8tbralternative: attend app-up event, push button, receive bacon^wExoPC09:39
Venemo_N900I didn't hear as much good about the exopc as I did about the ideapad09:41
Venemo_N900"you can buy them" - if I could, I wouldn't be asking09:41
Venemo_N900where is this app-up event going to be?09:41
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SantoshHi has somebody come across the issue i just discussed? any clue?09:44
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tomeuSantosh: you have to provide more detailed information if anyone is going to be able to help you09:49
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Santoshtomeu, I have pasted /var/log/messages here http://pastebin.com/6YSnFjkQ09:51
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tomeuSantosh: looks like the kind of problems one gets after running trying to run too many things as root09:53
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Santoshtomeu, ok i ran empathy as root in my previous session09:53
Santoshtomeu, how can i fix this?09:54
tomeuyou will have to find which directories have the wrong permissions09:54
tomeufaster may be reinstalling09:54
Santoshoops09:55
tomeucommunication with the X server and the dbus buses is through sockets, that's why you get those errors later09:55
tomeuit may be in /var/run, not sure09:55
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Santoshi have created sockets for my programs in /tmp and they have full +x permissions .. could this be an issue?09:57
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tomeudon't see why, but in the process you may have changed the permissions of /tmp itself?09:58
tomeuon fedora:09:59
tomeu$ ls -dl /tmp09:59
tomeudrwxrwxrwt. 24 root root 4096 Jun  6 08:56 /tmp09:59
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Santoshin meego i get drwx-----T for /tmp10:00
tomeuthat could be causing those problems10:01
Santoshyea in another meego m/c i checked it(/tmp) is as good as fedora10:02
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Santoshis there a way to fix it?10:06
Santoshcool10:07
Santoshthot chmod may not work10:07
Santoshbut it actually worked10:07
Santoshnow the UI is up10:07
Santoshthanks for quick response and wise clue tomeu10:08
Santoshyou saved 2 hrs for me10:08
tomeuyw10:08
thiago_home/tmp is usually 177710:09
thiago_homeanything else is usually very wrong10:10
Santoshok..10:12
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psycho_oreosStskeeps, ping10:49
Stskeepspsycho_oreos: pong10:49
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psycho_oreosStskeeps, forgot to remind you lmao, umm you need to add *!*@freenode/staff/* to ops list10:50
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Stskeepsdone, at least for here10:52
Stskeepsso who do i poke about getting #meego-devel under the regular namespace ownership? :P10:52
psycho_oreosthink you need group registration or something, not quite sure how it works to be frank10:53
Stskeepswe have one10:53
Stskeepsand i'm group contact10:53
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psycho_oreoshere's a staff :D though I think you need to also fill out some forms as well or something, again I can't be too sure10:54
psycho_oreosI'm sure it all works on the same principles as you having ownership of other chans10:55
Stskeepstomaw_: we've unsuccessfully been able to contact the owner of #meego-devel (AWOL) in order to bring it under our irc guidelines - i'm group contact for #meego-*, anything we can get done about this?10:55
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* Jaffa thanks GAN900 for helping to the majority of this week's MWKN apart with me only doing most of the front page11:07
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alteregoHeh11:08
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* RST38h moos at Jaffa11:12
RST38halterego: EHLO11:12
thiago_home250-Nice to meet you11:12
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alteregoHeh RST38h11:15
arfollhas anyone opened up the exopc? I'd like to know if the SSD is removable and what interface it uses...11:16
alteregoYes, it's shockingly easy to take the exo apartt11:17
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alteregoAnd the ssd uses a standard mini pci e I believe.11:18
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arfollalterego, awesome thanks, btw at the same time you know if there is a broadcom crystalhd in there?11:19
arfolli forgot to do an lspci before I lent it11:19
alteregoYes there is11:20
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alteregoI installed the drivers for it the other day.11:20
arfollawesome :-) wonder why thats not in the spec sheet11:20
arfollooh i had an rpm for them somewhere11:20
arfollon OBS11:20
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alteregoProbably because it doesn't work under meego or something11:21
arfollmmh, it does though and the gstreamer bcmdec element is actually quite good11:21
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lcukmorning \o11:31
JaffaStskeeps: Thanks11:32
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JaffaStskeeps: You've missed the commentary on #maemo :-)11:32
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StskeepsJaffa: i am planning to be me, an airplane, cheap airline wine in some hours, not even abill_uk can bring me down11:33
Jaffa:-)11:33
RST38hStskeeps: Even if he is wielding an ice pick?11:34
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lcukheh maemo bugjar showing "optify liqbase" bug :)11:41
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lardmanmorning12:16
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lcukmorning lardman \o12:17
lardmanmorning lcuk12:18
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* lcuk looking at mic2 today12:20
* lardman looking at removals firms today12:21
lcuklardman, moving?12:21
lcukor just ordering a summers worth of bacon?12:22
lardmanmoving12:22
lardmanbbiab meeting12:22
lbtare the videos due up today12:26
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lardmanfalse alarm12:28
lardmanlcuk: yeah moving to a house rather than a flat, better for the neighbours with the new arrival in Augu12:28
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alteregoAt last, we have meego-terminal :)12:40
Stskeepsnow for a qml version ;p12:41
alteregoHah,12:43
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alteregoDon't tempt me :P12:43
alteregoThe source containes Python bindings, which is quite cool.12:43
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Jaffaalterego: Is it a fresh one - or an opening of an already existant one?12:48
JaffaHmm, Ruslan Mstoi works for Nokia12:48
JaffaLooks like the Harmattan one12:48
mikhasJaffa, yes12:48
mikhasJaffa, well yes - it's the Harmattan terminal, made available for MeeGo12:49
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alteregoJaffa: opening of Harmattan yeah12:56
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w00talterego: where is it! :)13:13
* w00t wants it on his exo, stat13:13
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alteregow00t: https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal13:16
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nialaavec votre cityville de m... on voit pas les videos on voit pas les messages13:23
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nialaooops sorry13:24
andre__niala, english please...13:24
chouchouneniala: quoi ?13:24
chouchouneah ;)13:24
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nialawrong windows13:24
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w00talterego: thanks, got it working too13:38
w00t:)13:38
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alteregoNice :)13:44
alteregoDoes it work well?13:44
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w00talterego: yes13:46
mikhasw00t, you're using tablet UX, dont you?13:46
w00tmikhas: yup13:46
mikhasbecause there are some issues still with N900 DE13:47
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mikhasand there's a compositor bug for the first touch event going through the VKB ...13:47
w00tah, fun13:47
mikhaskuzak, for you: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17678 <313:48
MeeGoBotBug 17678 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, First touch on virtual keyboard (after a VKB request) always goes to application13:48
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w00tthe only problem i've seen with vkb on the tablet is meego-im-uiserver or whatever it is occasionally not being running13:48
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mikhasw00t, you mean: it crashed and wasn't restarted? ;-)13:48
w00tcould be a crash, perhaps13:48
mikhas(and no traces of crash available)13:48
w00tbut it's only on boot, like, it'll either work or not work13:48
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Greatgib<gabrbedd>: for vkb on the netbook, you need to download and install meegotouch-inputmethodbridge 2.3 . There is fixed the keyboard not launching because of the dbus api break14:24
Greatgibin meego 1.2 its still inputmethodbridge 2.2 so not enough14:24
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lbtStskeeps: thoughts on #meego-infra room - people from IT/RE and other system areas can hang out there and discuss open dev/sysadmin14:34
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lbtmmm actually I think he's on a plane14:35
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Natanaielis there any package on meego to get some screenshots?14:40
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lcukNatanaiel, which UX?14:42
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lcuk      As meego (ssh meego@192.168.2.15):14:43
lcuk      export DISPLAY=:0 && gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot_`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`.png14:43
lcuk      In computer:14:43
lcuk      scp meego@192.168.2.15:/home/meego/screenshot*.png ~/Desktop14:43
Natanaielhandset14:43
lcuktry that ^14:44
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lcukif you ssh in as it says then paste that command, it should take a datestamped screenshot14:44
lcukthe second command then copies them to your local desktop14:44
gabrbeddGreatgib: Yes, araujo told me the same thing... and that worked.  I had to grab it from the 1.3 branch.14:44
SpeedEvillcuk: or you cheat, setup x forwarding, login from the wetab to your desktop, and run the snapshot program there, using your wetab as the DISPLAY14:45
gabrbeddGreatgib: ...but that was mostly part of trying to grok the protocol. :-)14:45
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GonzoTheGreathi guys. Just out of interest. I have a chumby classic standing around. Is meego a possibility on it?14:48
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Greatgibgabrbedd: i even don't understand why that changed that way and they didn't took care of having an important piece of code like the vkb not working anymore14:48
Natanaielthx lcuk14:49
Greatgibgabrbedd: but today it is worse, the keyboard overhide windows instead of resizing them so you could not see what is under. There is not button, to close it. And I didn't found anything to tell the vkb when i want it to be enabled and when not. (even if it is not automatic, I would be happy to enable/disable it myself when switching my ideapad from netbook to tablet :s)14:50
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gabrbeddGreatgib: When the vkb appears, you can hide it by swiping it down.14:51
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gabrbeddGreatgib: I've found that the swipe has to be from top to bottom (all the way), and moderately fast.14:51
lcukwhack a mole14:51
Greatgibgabrbedd: ? :| so, it is as simple as that.14:52
Greatgibthanks for the tips, it is really not evident :p14:52
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lcukA different kind of meego meetup: 'MeeGo to Manchester IntelRemastered Exhibition'      http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=22150#post2215015:01
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Stskeepslbt, will give thoughts when back at hotel later tonight16:59
lbtOK16:59
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dyrvereknow a good ppa with VLC 1.1.10?17:40
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gabrbedddyrvere: maybe search build.meego.com and build.pub.meego.com.  Those are the ppa-like things in meego.17:54
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dyrverethank you :)17:54
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dyrverehm, seems all of them are still missing dependencies.17:56
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gabrbedddyrvere: If they built... then their deps were met.  Maybe look to see if there were other projects/repos that they are referencing.18:00
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CosmoHillme in three months >>> http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2006-06-2318:25
SpeedEvil:)18:25
berndhssure, its funny now...18:26
mwichmanntoo true18:26
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Stskeepsi've yet to be asked about my degree diploma18:27
mwichmanngot a friend who could find work when she needed, then went back to finish off her degree, and now can find nothing because it's always "you're overqualified"18:28
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dyrveremwichmann: Yes, it's a weird world we live in.18:29
dyrveregot a sister in the same position.18:29
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* CosmoHill needs to go looking for jobs18:32
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chouchounehaha18:34
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chouchouneIn France we even have laws telling that with a degree, we dfon't have the right to be paid lower that xxx euros18:34
dyrverethat's why I don18:35
berndhsi'm sure even in France you have the right to be paid 0 euros without a job :P18:35
dyrvere't even finish my degree.18:35
chouchouneyes, but I can't be paid, let's say, 1200 euros with a job ;)18:35
chouchouneand I can't earn 0 euros, even without a job ;)18:36
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chouchounestate will give you some money18:36
berndhsfor how long ?18:36
chouchouneBut that's quite good IMHO18:36
CosmoHillyou mean job seekers allowance18:37
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chouchounefor ever18:37
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CosmoHillthey pay you X ammount to keep you alive pretty much until you find a job18:37
berndhsthat's now why people get advanced degrees, to live on welfare18:37
chouchouneCosmoHill: that's it18:37
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chouchounebut that's really little18:37
chouchounenot enough to live18:38
CosmoHillthere's been talk of making people on welfare work for it18:38
chouchounejust to survive18:38
chouchouneand I'm even not sure they can survive with that amount18:38
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CosmoHillwhat you need to do is get a kid, then you get a house too18:38
chouchounemmmhhh18:38
ArkkisAny help here with N900 Meego problem?18:38
chouchoune?18:38
CosmoHillArkkis: someone should be able to help, ask your question18:39
chouchouneberndhs: it's better to work for welfare that to work to survive18:39
chouchounes/that/than/18:40
infobotchouchoune meant: berndhs: it's better to work for welfare than to work to survive18:40
ArkkisI tried to flash meego to my N900 but it kernel panicked.... What should I do now because PC or flasher cannot see the phone?18:40
chouchouneI mean, it's good not to let people die on the streets18:40
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andre__Arkkis, how exactly did you flash it?18:41
ArkkisWith this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC18:42
ArkkisThe main problem is, that flasher stucks now to Wating for device part.. :s18:43
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Arkkis*Waiting18:43
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StskeepsArkkis: pull battery18:43
ArkkisYep, then?18:43
Stskeepsstart flasher, plug in usb both ends, put in battery18:43
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Stskeepsbbl18:44
Arkkisthen?18:45
dyrveredoes it keep working?18:46
dyrvereor back to waiting for device?18:46
ArkkisStill waiting... Phone does not do anything18:46
dyrverewhat OS are you doing this from?18:46
CosmoHilldid you restart flasher before you connected it?18:46
ArkkisUbuntu 1118:47
Arkkisyes18:47
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ZahraArkkis: did u close the back cover?18:49
Arkkisno18:50
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Arkkiswhen I take battery off, do it put backcover on again???18:51
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ZahraArkkis: back cover must be closed to boot from MMC18:53
* CosmoHill is in a good mood but also threw his phone across the room almost hitting his laptop18:54
ArkkisMMC is memory card?18:54
ZahraArkkis: yes18:54
ArkkisI do not use one18:54
alteregoCosmoHill: I did that a year ago, scratched my laptop ..18:54
alteregomade a nice little scratch in the panel :(18:54
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CosmoHillI'm pissed off with being charged for texts that people aren't getting18:56
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CosmoHillpeople that are important to me cos I send them texts and cos they don't get them they don't text back and makes me think that they're ignoring me18:56
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ArkkisDo I have to get MMC if I'm going to reflash that stupid banana :P ?18:58
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ArkkisNo one?19:00
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ArkkisGuess not : <19:02
clbrArkkis: keep trying. remembering how to flash newer maemo versions to the phone the exact sequence of flasher/plugin in usb etc. matters19:02
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ArkkisI've tried since last night : <19:03
ArkkisIt just doesn't do anything when plugging it to PC19:04
clbrcheck the cables?19:05
ArkkisCable is fine because it worked yesterday fine...19:06
ArkkisAnd yellow light lits when plugged19:06
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Arkkisbut that's it..19:06
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ArkkisSomeone else would have surrendered already....19:42
ArkkisStill have hope for that phone . D19:43
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ArkkisGOT IT FINALLY!19:59
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dyrvereCongrats Arkkis20:00
ArkkisThis was the key part: There's an exceedingly short moment where the flasher can detect the N900 and do its cold-flash thing.20:00
Arkkisit was like half of second20:01
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dyrvereso, is your N900 any better with Meego now? :)20:02
ArkkisDidn't get that yet ; D20:02
ArkkisMy phone was stuck in kernel panic20:02
thiagohold the U key down20:02
ArkkisSo, can you tell me, is there any way to install meego WITHOUT MMC20:03
ArkkisU key did not help :)20:03
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ArkkisI had to cold flash20:03
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ArkkisSo? Do I absolutely need MMC to install Meego?20:04
thiagothe NAND is too small20:04
thiagoMeeGo won't fit20:04
thiagoyou need to use the MMC or an SD card20:05
Arkkiswhat eMMC means then?20:05
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thiago"Embedded MultiMediaCard"20:05
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ArkkisBut there is lots of internal memory?20:06
thiagothe eMMC on the N900 is 32 GB20:06
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thiagothe NAND is only 256 MB20:06
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Arkkishttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC20:06
ArkkisDidn't get that idea right yesterday :)20:07
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ArkkisSo it can't boot from internal memory?20:07
thiagoyou can use the internal memory for somethings (like the /boot partition), but you need the eMMC for the rest of the system20:08
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Arkkisinternal memory = eMMC?20:08
ArkkisPretty confused right now...20:08
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ArkkisNAND = internal memory?20:09
ArkkisIf you spoke of it...20:09
ArkkisAnd memory card replaces NAND?20:09
thiagointernal memory = NAND20:10
thiagothe N900 has three different storages;20:10
thiagothe internal memory (NAND), the eMMC and an SD card20:11
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lcukand a partridge in a pear tree.20:11
ArkkisNeed to get SD then : <20:12
lcuk(though historically these have been eaten and not used for data storage20:12
clbrArkkis: if possible buy a Class 6 Micro SDHC card. class 6 is expensive, though20:12
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ArkkisSo what is the point of this method http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC ?20:14
ArkkisIf Meego loads from the SD20:14
ArkkisOr does it...20:15
Arkkishaha20:15
ArkkisNo... If it's installed to emmc then it is also loaded from there..20:15
ArkkisSo what is the point of fast SD?20:15
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clbrthe point is, you leave the n900 with maemo installed and just put meego onto the sd card20:16
ArkkisWhy to do that :) ? Is Meego faster installed within emmc20:17
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Arkkis*Isn't20:18
lcukArkkis, at present there are 2 issues prevenint developers from full complete meego day to day, those are update availability and data importing20:18
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pancakeyo20:18
pancakeim trying to build libmeegotouch-git, but looks broken20:19
lcukso the apps are not end user ready and evolving each day, but there is no complete mechanism to import data daily (with a new image) nor to follow the updates without needing to reflash apps+data generated20:19
pancakescene/mscene.cpp:565:29: error: ‘ItemStopsFocusHandling’ is not a member of ‘QGraphicsItem’20:19
lcukso keeping maemo on the NAND and eMMC is best for people20:19
ArkkisMaybe I just wait then :)20:19
lcukwe were discussing migration paths over the weekend and will require at some level (a) data import  (b) data backup/restore20:19
pvuorelapancake: update qt.20:20
lcukArkkis, for developers, putting it onto the MicroSD is great20:20
lcukand now that many of the startup bugs are cured20:20
ArkkisWell I just wanted to try it :)20:20
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ArkkisNext stop, Android : D20:20
clbrArkkis: I'm using a class 2 card, they're cheap20:20
lcukit is possible to dig deeper into the living breathing OS20:20
thiagowtf, that enum was added in Qt 4.7.220:21
pancakepvuorela: qt-git on archlinux?20:21
lcukArkkis, i believe android has same issues20:21
thiagowait, no20:21
pancakeim on qt 4.7.3 right now20:21
thiago4.820:21
* thiago is confused20:21
* lcuk gets thiago a coffee20:21
thiagothat enum is not in any release20:21
ArkkisWell this is just playing anyways :)20:21
thiagobut it's in my Qt 4.7 branch20:22
thiagook, it needs reverting20:22
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pvuorelathe enum was added marked as qt internal to overcome some shortcomings in the focus handling.20:22
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pancakepvuorela: libmeegotouch configure script should check for the right version of QT then..20:23
thiagothere is no version with it20:23
thiagowhich means that meegotouch depends on an unreleased version of Qt20:24
thiagoyou can upgrade to 4.8 TP1 if you want. It seems to be there.20:24
pancakewell. im building it from git, but the repo looks huge20:24
pancakeinsanely huge20:25
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pancake1GB of repo.. not that bad20:27
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lcukbreaking news: the battery life on n900-de is awesome20:38
lcukbeen working on background/mic2 stuff today and unplugged it on friday fully charged it is still on20:38
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lcuki cannot see a percentage bar on it though20:39
lcukit is <half full20:39
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lcukkeep picking up mouse but realising it is connected to the other computer21:19
kyb3R:)21:19
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Natanaielwhich of these SD cards work better on N900? class 6 or class 10?21:19
lcukNatanaiel, try the class1021:21
lcukhopefully that is not in binary ;)21:21
Natanaielno! it's decimal :D21:21
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Natanaiellcuk: do u have any suggestion about the brand?21:22
lcukRussel is ok, but I don't like him because he married Katy Perry21:23
lcukNatanaiel, I am not sure about specific MicroSD cards21:25
lcukall I know is standing in the shop and buying fastest that I can afford at the time21:25
smokulcuk, 6 is at least heptary ;-)21:25
* lcuk should hopefully be doing that in a car showroom21:25
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lcuksmoku, and it would be faster than the class 2 one he mentioned :P21:26
pebcakwill there be a solution for the twitteraccounts in the friends wall?21:26
pebcak(panel)21:26
lcukpatches welcome21:26
lcukfriends too http://twitter.com/lcuk :P21:26
* javispedro fails at using twitter..21:27
* lcuk listening to Pulp, Different Class21:27
smokuNatanaiel, you should really look at read/write speed.  I've seen class4 sd with higher read speed than more expensive class10 ;-)21:30
Natanaielsmoku: which brand was it?21:32
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smokusandisk vs kingston IIRC21:32
Natanaielsmoku: the class4 was sandisk?21:32
smokuthat sandisk had low write speed, thus conly class421:33
lcuki have 2 identially branded 4gb Class 2 cards21:33
lcukno difference at all on the face of the cards21:33
smokubut if you do not make swap on it, it'll feel faster on normal usage21:33
lcukbut one of them writes more than 2 times faster than the other (750kB/s vs 2000kB/s)21:34
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Stskeepswwdc keynote is curious..21:36
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Natanaielso sandisk class 10 should be great!!!21:37
Natanaielhttp://www.sandisk.com/products/imaging/sandisk-extreme-sdhc-cards-21:38
ali1234the class is a minimum, often they are faster than the class suggests21:38
lcukStskeeps, why21:38
Natanaiel300$ for an SD card!!!21:38
Stskeepslcuk: go look at engadgets live blog and you'd understand21:39
* Stskeeps ponders to look for a bar21:39
lcukStskeeps, Hemmingways21:39
fralsin HEL?21:40
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lcukbut what is it about the release of their new update?21:40
fralsjust ask vdvsx, he knows them all21:40
lcuklol21:40
Stskeepsof course he does ;)21:40
Stskeepsfrals: TMP21:40
fralsdo they have anything beside the river and the train station there? ;D21:40
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ZahraNatanaiel: sandisk is great21:46
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NatanaielZahra: yes, but it's very expensive21:52
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ZahraNatanaiel: so you should make a trade-off between them!21:53
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lcukStskeeps, btw, I tried adding the mic2 stuff and practically broke my netbook/ideapad install21:57
Stskeepsdidnt i say fedora in a vm? ;p21:57
lcukto be fair you did say directly on meego was ok too :P21:58
Stskeepshow did you break it?21:58
lcukzypper stopped working21:58
lcuknothing drastic but frustrating21:59
lcukI had not had any issues since21:59
lcukand so had to (right time really) do a system/data/code backup before trying to do anything else21:59
lcukthat took more time21:59
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vgradenokia 3g booklet, netbook image available on http://bug10738.openaos.org/, take the red pill. thanks anab1s22:21
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed22:21
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lcukvgrade, :D22:27
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alteregoWait, WWDC is in SF?22:36
alteregoI should have stayed there :)22:36
Ronksustaying in SF would have been nice for many other reasons too :)22:37
alteregoIndeed22:37
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lcukgabrbedd, idk whether related quite is right22:44
lcukr rather, how is that different to k* q* i* etc22:44
gabrbeddlcuk: they all have the same father... so that's close enough for now. :-)22:45
lcukgabrbedd, not quite22:46
gabrbeddlcuk: as for k* q* , etc... they span across totally unrelated projects with unrelated developers... so I kinda don't like that.22:46
lcukciroip invented the clock22:46
lcukhe is afterall an italian watchmaker22:46
lcukgabrbedd, k* and q* and i* all started off as one persons project22:46
lcukgtk was one app idea22:46
gabrbeddlcuk: as fore iWhatever... iDunno iJust agree with tom. :-)22:47
lcukiKnow22:47
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gabrbeddlcuk: QtCore, QtGui, QtMultimedia --- ok by me.22:47
gabrbeddlcuk: QTetris... not so much.22:47
lcukwhat was the app that Qt was created to run?22:47
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lcukwe know Gtk was written for the Gimp22:48
gabrbeddlcuk: dunno.  exceeds my buffer.22:48
lcukI know liqbase was written for my sketch editor22:48
lcukbut Qt is rather more murky22:49
berndhsah, Qt is for everything ?22:49
lcukberndhs, what was the inspiration22:50
ali1234Qt was not made for a specific product22:50
lcukwho wrote the first version?22:50
ali1234the inspiration was to replace all the badly designed toolkits that were hacked together around a single product22:50
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lcukA couple of years later, in the summer of 1990, Haavard and Eirik were working together on a C++ database application for ultrasound images. The system needed to be able to run with a GUI on Unix, Macintosh, and Windows. One day that summer, Haavard and Eirik went outside to enjoy the sunshine, and as they sat on a park bench, Haavard said, "We need an object-oriented display system." The resulting discussion laid the intellectual foundation fo22:51
lcukr the object-oriented cross-platform GUI framework they would soon go on to build.22:51
lcukit was a database application for ultrasound images22:51
berndhsno I think the inspiration was that the available toolkits sucked22:52
lcukhttp://www.civilnet.cn/book/embedded/gui/qt4/pref04.html22:52
lcukI am reading a book on its history22:52
berndhsprobably revisionist stuff written by the winners :)22:53
lcukno, you are remembering differently, before qt Haavard wrote a toolkit22:54
lcuklike I am sure the Gtk guys wrote stuff prior to gimp22:55
lcukberndhs, who do you count as the winners?22:55
berndhsthose who are around to talk about it :)22:55
lcuki dont understand the race though to be winning22:56
berndhsi'm just going with the percentages22:56
lcuksince the toolkits co-exist22:56
berndhshistory written and re-interpreted after things happened22:56
lcukif that is the case: are *any* of the original developers still around?22:57
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berndhsgood question22:57
ljpdepends on how 'original' you want22:59
lcukljp, any of the founding partners and guiding strategists23:00
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vgradelcuk, who would have thought a nokia device runnng meego :)23:23
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lcuk!!23:23
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* lcuk listens to Kylie Minogue again23:29
lcukand now I am really curious about the meego netbook23:29
lcuksince it knows how to read mp3 yet cannot play the music itself23:30
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lcukbtw, data people23:36
* w00t poked his sync stuff into a qtcontacts backend and had it work first or second try, is happy23:36
lcuktesting folks for touchscreens23:36
lcukmultiple strokes on the ideapad:23:36
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20110313_030149.liqtop1.scr.png23:37
lcuknote that some strokes are deemed as clicks23:37
lcukon lists of items this is frustrating23:37
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gabrbeddlcuk: some of it may be the ideapad's digitizer and/or driver.  I've also been having trouble with it when using it as a music keyboard.23:50
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lcuk2gabrbedd, it is only when it is propper up using the hinge23:50
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lcuk2if it is fully in slate mode and the back cannot wobble23:50
lcuk2it is better23:50
lcuk2but if the design does not account for such things23:51
lcuk2the UX is degraded23:51
lcuk2the touchsensor on the n810 was similar23:51
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lcuk2so I changed the design of the graffiti wall23:51
lcuk2to only do selection on click23:51
lcuk2for items in the wall23:51
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lcuk2so panning and accidentally clicking did not have a big effect23:51
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lcuk2worked well :)23:51
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