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| sergeyle | delac: geoclue has that HostIP location provider which, I think, is what you need. | 00:03 |
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| delac | sergeyle: geoclue would provide what I need, but it doesnt seem to be part of official Qt API? I was more of wondering if QGeoPositionInfoSource might have IP based location source? | 00:10 |
| delac | or something like that... | 00:11 |
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| sergeyle | oh, I see. | 00:12 |
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| sergeyle | but the Qt Mobility implementation relies on geoclue, AFAIK | 00:13 |
| delac | relies on how? | 00:13 |
| delac | is it the same code? | 00:14 |
| sergeyle | it was supposed to use geoclue as its backend | 00:14 |
| sergeyle | not sure if it is now, though | 00:14 |
| sergeyle | like here: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/merge_requests/19 | 00:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | actually | 00:16 |
| sergeyle | of course, it is only relevant for MeeGo | 00:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | there is one with a guide | 00:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | and one for recorded content only | 00:16 |
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| delac | well, if it is glued there, then I gues the IP based location is possible. Can anyone point a tutorial or example or anything? | 00:18 |
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| sergeyle | I am not sure it is fully implemented now. you'd rather use bare geoclue :) | 00:20 |
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| delac | sergeyle: possibly. but that wouldn't be very future proof, and as this is for a assingment, I dont think it is acceptable | 00:22 |
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| sergeyle | Ehm, I'm not quite confident about QtMobility being more future proof. Anyway, this page: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/index.html#platform-compatibility claims that Location support is at its final stage, so HostIp should be there. | 00:26 |
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| delac | uh, maybe I just do little test app and see if QGeoPositionInfoSource tells me if a IP based location source is available... | 00:28 |
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| magius_pendragon | Hey, I noticed there's a developer preview for the tablet edition. Is there somewhere I can see what packages to install if I want to throw it along side a netbook meego install? | 01:48 |
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| auke | magius_pendragon: the repo server has image generation logs and package lists | 02:13 |
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| bkalinga | is there any known work around so that i can install MeeGo1.2 on Ubuntu11.04 | 07:17 |
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| Myrtti | bkalinga: uh, what? do you mean the UX | 07:19 |
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| Jay_BEE | bkalinga: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17194 | 07:27 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 17194 cri, High, ---, zhang.z.chen, NEW, [FEA][Installer] SDK installer should support other installer path than the default one | 07:27 |
| Jay_BEE | bkalinga: also this --> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-May/001314.html | 07:27 |
| bkalinga | ok thanks Jay_BEE: | 07:28 |
| GonzoTheGreat_ | c | 07:28 |
| Jay_BEE | now if I could only get the sdk working under ubuntu 10.10 | 07:28 |
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| bkalinga | Jay_BEE: So the problem is related to the default path | 07:30 |
| bkalinga | ?? | 07:30 |
| bkalinga | i am trying to install it in my /home and have enough space | 07:30 |
| akk | I have the SDK working under 11.04. I did have to do some guessing about where it put things. | 07:31 |
| Jay_BEE | bkalinga: i have not tried installing to a different location, I am unsuccessful in trying default location | 07:31 |
| akk | I used the apt repository | 07:32 |
| bkalinga | akk: Could please let us know how did u achieved that | 07:32 |
| bkalinga | did u use the graphical installer | 07:32 |
| Myrtti | ah, ok, SDK | 07:32 |
| akk | I started with http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Installing_the_MeeGo_SDK (I don't think there was a 1.2 page, this was about a month ago) | 07:33 |
| akk | added deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.10/ / to sources.list | 07:33 |
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| akk | and they don't tell you where it installs things -- I had to search for it then add opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin to my path | 07:34 |
| akk | and setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/lib:/opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/lib/qtcreator/plugins/Nokia | 07:34 |
| akk | (I wrote up a blog post with notes, but haven't had time yet to polish it and post it) | 07:35 |
| bkalinga | akk: then you will have the 1.1 | 07:35 |
| bkalinga | not the 1.2 | 07:35 |
| akk | okay, that was all I found at the time | 07:35 |
| akk | maybe I'll try installing 1.2 over the weekend | 07:36 |
| bkalinga | akk, But you said : I have the SDK working under 11.04. I did have to do some guessing about where it put things. | 07:36 |
| akk | I'd be surprised if it was that different, but hey, I've been surprised by things before :) | 07:36 |
| bkalinga | akk, now there is a graphical installer available | 07:37 |
| bkalinga | try that on 11.04 | 07:37 |
| bkalinga | in release notes it is clearly mention that 11.04 is not supported yet | 07:37 |
| Jay_BEE | akk: i've located a similar blog which describes the steps you mentioned --> http://www.msinternet.co.uk/blog/2010/11/how-to-properly-install-the-meego-sdk-and-emulator-in-ubuntu-and-debian-linux/ | 07:37 |
| akk | It wasn't supported for 1.1 either, but it wasn't hard to get it working. | 07:38 |
| beford | madness | 07:38 |
| bkalinga | is it not possible to manually install (i am not to use that graphical installer) on 11.04 from the repo | 07:39 |
| bkalinga | can someone give a thought to it | 07:39 |
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| akk | This "meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519" thing is some binary I'm supposed to chmod and run locally? | 07:40 |
| akk | They should make that a lot clearer. | 07:40 |
| Jay_BEE | akk: yes | 07:40 |
| bkalinga | akk: try installing that in 11.04 | 07:41 |
| akk | and yes, they should provide some way other than a binary that you're supposed to run | 07:41 |
| akk | that's not an opensource-friendly way to install an SDK | 07:41 |
| bkalinga | rightly said ..there must an alternative | 07:41 |
| bkalinga | like we had a page for 1.1 | 07:41 |
| Jay_BEE | akk: it seems the graphical installer actually uses apt behind the scenes to install the SDK... i'm now looking at the package manager and see the meego sdk stuff listed as installed | 07:42 |
| bkalinga | that describes all the step we need to do to install 1.1 | 07:42 |
| dm8tbr | that sounds like the intel 'meego-sdk-bete' - or is that some public version by now? | 07:42 |
| akk | That's even less friendly, since it won't work on non-apt distros | 07:42 |
| akk | (not that the apt repository would have either) | 07:42 |
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| bkalinga | akk: do u have 11.04 now | 07:43 |
| bkalinga | can u try installing?? | 07:43 |
| Jay_BEE | i really do not want to have to resort to using this under windows | 07:43 |
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| akk | I'm trying but I think I'm going to have to give up and try again tomorrow. It's taking forever downloading ... something | 07:47 |
| akk | And I have to go, so maybe tomorrow. | 07:49 |
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| espen77 | anywhere i can find upgrade details from 1.1 to 1.2? | 10:24 |
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| eg81 | espen77: are you asking about meego (e.g. netbook) system update or about sdk ? | 10:25 |
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| espen77 | netbook system | 10:29 |
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| espen77 | would have imagine "sudo zypper dup" would do it, but it dont. | 10:35 |
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| Ken-Young | Were there any interesting products announced at the Meego Conference in Frisco? | 10:36 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:17 |
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| Ken-Young | Were there any interesting products announced at the Meego Conference in Frisco? | 11:54 |
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| Venemo | I guess this is good news for everyone who is porting MeeGo to HTC devices: http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084 | 13:10 |
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| Ken-Young | Venemo, Yup, a rare bit of good news there. | 13:11 |
| isolor | that ads up to sony-ericsson and motorola, ain't it? | 13:11 |
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| vgrade_ | Venemo: good news indeed, but we still need some more support with drivers from the OEMs, bug 17570 | 13:13 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc | 13:13 |
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| Venemo | vgrade_, "Currently the only device with support is the obsolete N900" -> the word "obsolete" is a bit unnice of you :P | 13:16 |
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| phaeron | it is far from obsolete , imho | 13:17 |
| vgrade_ | Venemo: and also incorrect as other similar TI based devices may work with the N900 driver, beagle, pandora etc | 13:17 |
| vgrade_ | phaeron: can you buy them still? | 13:17 |
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| Venemo | vgrade_, AFAIK there are a lot of other devices based on OMAP3, so those should work with hardfp. as for the rest, they will simply work without hardfp for the time being | 13:18 |
| phaeron | that is called "unavailable" or "discontinued" , again imho | 13:18 |
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| vgrade_ | phaeron: ok, bad choice of word, now how do you edit a bug | 13:39 |
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| len | slaine: I've followed you tutorial to make my wifi work, but now it seems that kernel-netbook-devel is obslete. I can't find to install thus I can't complete the wifi configuration | 14:51 |
| len | slaine: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html | 14:51 |
| len | what can I do? | 14:51 |
| slaine | len, you clearly haven't followed the guide | 14:54 |
| slaine | as I renamed all the groups and packages accordingly | 14:54 |
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| slaine | kernel-devel instead of kernel-netbook-devel | 14:54 |
| slaine | Off to get some lunch, back in a whilke | 14:55 |
| len | but when I use rpm build, it asks for kernel-netbook-dev | 14:55 |
| len | i'll start all over again | 14:56 |
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| maggie | I m running mic on openssue 11.2 , it gives error while creating image /bin/cp: cannot create directory `/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages': No such file or directory , I m using the ks file available at meego repo | 14:57 |
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| len | slaine: just for the record, the package requires kernel-netbook-devel. You can check the .spec, I did all over again, from begining | 15:09 |
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| slaine | len, back now | 15:14 |
| slaine | really, wonder why I didn't get errors | 15:14 |
| slaine | Ah | 15:15 |
| slaine | The url displayed on the page is correct | 15:15 |
| slaine | but the href for that display is wrong, it's pointing to the older 1.1 src rpm | 15:16 |
| slaine | if you cut and paste the code, it'll pull down the updated src rpm for 1.2 | 15:16 |
| slaine | I'll fix the href now | 15:16 |
| len | slaine: true, nice catch there | 15:16 |
| CosmoHill | hey sl | 15:17 |
| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 15:17 |
| len | i tried everything yesterday | 15:17 |
| len | even open rpm remove dep and compile again | 15:17 |
| len | but didnt succeed | 15:17 |
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| slaine | len, yeah, there's other changes required | 15:18 |
| slaine | try reloading the page nopw | 15:18 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: hey | 15:18 |
| slaine | len sorry about the inconvenience, cut'n'paste errors | 15:18 |
| len | no problem, I learned a lot of new things | 15:19 |
| len | that's what problems are for :P | 15:19 |
| slaine | indeed | 15:19 |
| slaine | anyway, if you reload the page and follow the steps again, it should work now | 15:20 |
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| slaine | (you might want to nuke your ~/rpmbuild dir) | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | I use rpmbuild --cleandir when making stuff normally | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | it removes the build directory after creating the package | 15:21 |
| slaine | nod | 15:21 |
| slaine | but not the old spec/source | 15:22 |
| len | Ok, doing that. Btw rpmbuild should have sudo before, right? | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | nooo | 15:22 |
| slaine | hell no | 15:24 |
| slaine | len, the instructions on the page should be exact | 15:24 |
| slaine | cut and paste from the page to the terminal | 15:24 |
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| len | I get an error. I'll translate, since it's portuguese to me. Output status of /var/tmp/rpm-rmp.xpto is invalid (%prep) | 15:27 |
| len | using sudo I dont get this error | 15:27 |
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| bkalinga | on meego 1.2 netbook i am not able to see VKB when clicked on any text entry | 15:27 |
| len | should I create a user slaine? | 15:27 |
| len | it says User slaine doesnt exists using root | 15:27 |
| slaine | no, that's just a red herring warning/error | 15:28 |
| len | I saw now. It's wget unable to solve host with my user. | 15:28 |
| len | time out | 15:29 |
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| slaine | if you install the src.rpm | 15:29 |
| slaine | you can edit the spec file and increase the wget timeout | 15:29 |
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| slaine | If you already ran the rpmbuild command with a sudo infront, then you could be running trouble | 15:30 |
| slaine | you'd have to cd ~ | 15:30 |
| slaine | sudo rm -rf ~/rpmbuild | 15:31 |
| slaine | and start again | 15:31 |
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| len | did that before rpmbuild, but trying again | 15:31 |
| bkalinga | is there any text editor in Meego1.2 | 15:32 |
| bkalinga | can some one name its binary name | 15:32 |
| len | thx, that did the trick. | 15:32 |
| slaine | bkalinga: which version of meego, handset, netbook ? | 15:33 |
| bkalinga | 1.2 netbook | 15:33 |
| slaine | gedit should be there | 15:33 |
| * slaine uses vim though | 15:33 | |
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| len | slaine: it went smooth now. Thank you for your help | 15:34 |
| slaine | your welcome, thanks for letting me know about the issue with the url | 15:34 |
| bkalinga | how do i get the VKB | 15:34 |
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| bkalinga | its not launching | 15:34 |
| slaine | there's info on the wiki for enabling the vkb im | 15:34 |
| slaine | Probably look under the Lenovo Ideapad stuff | 15:35 |
| bkalinga | can u please point me there | 15:35 |
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| slaine | google search, that's what I'd have to do | 15:36 |
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| len | How can I configure 3g usb modem? | 15:42 |
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| slaine | If it's not just detected by the network manager, then I wouldn't know | 15:43 |
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| slaine | 3g modems are a very small set of supported devices to my knowledge | 15:44 |
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| len | hm, so probably it wont work, it's a brazilian device | 15:44 |
| slaine | That doesn't mean it won't work | 15:45 |
| smoku | len: try loading usb_uart module providing your usb device id | 15:45 |
| smoku | len: ie.: modprobe usbserial vendor=0xf3d product=0x0112 | 15:46 |
| smoku | if you get /dev/ttyUSB0 then, you're good to go | 15:46 |
| bkalinga | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Maliit/Installing&oldid=36775 | 15:47 |
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| bkalinga | says change Modify /etc/xdg/autostart/meego-im-uiserver.desktop to look like this: but /usr/bin/meego-im-uiserver is not there | 15:48 |
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| len | smoku: how do I get the vendor and product? I used lsusb | 15:48 |
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| smoku | len: right. lsusb | 15:49 |
| len | ID:19d2:2000 should I use these values? | 15:49 |
| smoku | yes. it's vendor:product | 15:49 |
| len | hm good to know | 15:49 |
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| len | modprobe didnt output anything, | 15:51 |
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| smoku | len: good. so it didn't fail :) | 15:53 |
| smoku | see 'dmesg' output | 15:53 |
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| len | but how do i get it working | 15:57 |
| len | how do i connect? | 15:57 |
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| slaine | len, I'm guessing that if the module loaded (look at the last few lines of output from dmesg) then the network manager should now have it available | 16:00 |
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| len | didn't show anything. I think it's recoginizing as generic device | 16:07 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: Thanks, I'll take a coffee though and some strawberries if you have them | 16:09 |
| * CosmoHill turns the tea into coffee | 16:09 | |
| slaine | tadaaa | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | sorry, my wand only works on fluids | 16:09 |
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| slaine | well, in that case, make it some wine | 16:10 |
| slaine | or is it a one shot deal ? | 16:10 |
| * CosmoHill waves his wand again | 16:10 | |
| CosmoHill | I once turned the fluids inside someone's brain to ethanol | 16:11 |
| slaine | hmm, I can see how that could be useful | 16:11 |
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| naquad | what's the latest and stable release? 1.2.0.90 or 1.2.0? | 16:29 |
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| CosmoHill | doesn't matter since you can only download 1.2 | 16:33 |
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| CosmoHill | 1.2.0.90 sounds like a pre-release | 16:33 |
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| delac | is there a comparison chart for Qt SDK and Meego SDK? | 16:34 |
| naquad | CosmoHill, then what's 1.2.0.80? | 16:35 |
| delac | forget that, found already | 16:35 |
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| delac | can anyone tell if Qt SDK has something that is not in Meego SDK? | 16:40 |
| vvaltone | delac, 1.2.0.80 is a earlier devel build to 1.2.0.90 | 16:41 |
| vvaltone | err.. naquad I mean | 16:41 |
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| prakin | hello | 16:43 |
| naquad | vvaltone, thanks | 16:45 |
| prakin | hello | 16:45 |
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| gabrbedd | good morning! | 16:56 |
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| delac | does Meego SDK 1.2 work with Qt Simulator 1.1? It is in the repos, but wiki page lists only Qt Simulator 1.0. | 17:01 |
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| len | well i gotta go | 17:08 |
| len | thx for help guys | 17:08 |
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| * CosmoHill dances cos he got an A in database | 17:12 | |
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| gabrbedd | UPDATE grades SET grade = 'A' WHERE student = 'CosmoHill'; | 17:21 |
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| CosmoHill | :3 | 17:23 |
| CosmoHill | if I wanted to be pedantic I'd point out that you'd have first name and surname to be atomically correct >.> | 17:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'm hoping / assuming that the exam isn't partially hard since it's only an hour long | 17:27 |
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| gabrbedd | SELECT count(*) WHERE student = 'CosmoHill'; | 17:30 |
| gabrbedd | >>> 1 | 17:30 |
| * gabrbedd set 'student' as PK :-) | 17:30 | |
| CosmoHill | oh oh, some dude on my course set "name" as the PK | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | for a regional system | 17:30 |
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| gabrbedd | Yeah, that's bad. :-) | 17:31 |
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| gabrbedd | Reminds me of this... http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ | 17:32 |
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| CosmoHill | that's quiet a list he has there | 17:35 |
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| gabrbedd | I always think of that whenever someone says "Yeah, I'm trying to sync my contacts between my iphone and itunes and outlook and gmail.... but it doesn't seem to be working right. Why is this so hard for people to get right? What's the big deal?" | 17:37 |
| * CosmoHill is thrown a little by point 12 and 13 | 17:37 | |
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| gabrbedd | I think it depends on the locale. | 17:40 |
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| CosmoHill | 37 I see a lot at uni, all our logins are based on your initials but a lot of my friends don't have their middle name initial in their login | 17:40 |
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| gabrbedd | In English, we would say that 'mary' and 'Mary' and 'maRy' are the same... but in some languages it may not be the same. | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | mcnick and McNick etc | 17:41 |
| gabrbedd | Also 37 covers misspellings, to (I think) | 17:42 |
| gabrbedd | MacNick | 17:42 |
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| pebcak | moin | 17:43 |
| gabrbedd | (I meant too, not to.) | 17:43 |
| gabrbedd | pebcak: howdy | 17:43 |
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| CosmoHill | my name is constantly being misspelt even though it's part of the email address :/ | 17:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a weird pronunciation of it just to get people to spell it correctly which may lead to a hyphen appearing in it | 17:44 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: What is your name? | 17:45 |
| pebcak | anyone using tablet ux and has problems with the graphics after the latest 1.2.0.90 update? | 17:45 |
| CosmoHill | gabrbedd: see pm | 17:46 |
| gabrbedd | pebcak: The one released 5/19 or a daily build? And can you be more specific about "problems with the graphics" | 17:46 |
| gabrbedd | ? | 17:46 |
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| pebcak | I pointed the repos to latest testing and update via zypper | 17:47 |
| pebcak | there was a change in fontcolor and some images seem to be missing, because where the would be there is a white shape | 17:48 |
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| gabrbedd | pebcak: dunno about font color... but which images? | 17:49 |
| pebcak | in the panelview | 17:49 |
| pebcak | I'll do a screenshot later.... | 17:50 |
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| gabrbedd | pebcak: I recommend trying one of the daily build images (.img). Could be an API change or something. If it exists in the fresh .img, then file a bug, please. | 17:53 |
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| pebcak | gabrbedd what's the difference with upgrading all packages with zypper and flashing a new img... | 17:54 |
| pebcak | (debian user :P) | 17:54 |
| magius_pendragon | I'm trying to run both the tablet ux and the netbook ux on the same computer ; I've installed the meego-Tablet pattern using zypper. Right now, the tablet ux-daemon is running behind all the windows when I'm in netbook mode. Has anyone else tried running both simultaneously? is there a way to configure it to only run the daemon when running mcompositor? | 17:55 |
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| gabrbedd | pebcak: The difference is that using the 'latest' repo is a YMMV thing. The .img installs are more closely QA'ed. | 17:56 |
| gabrbedd | pebcak: Theoretically there should be no difference on a released MeeGo, but Tablet UX didn't get released and is still under very active development. | 17:56 |
| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: uxlauncher starts nearly everything in /etc/xdg/autostart | 17:57 |
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| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: so if you have both UX's installed... then both will be started... because both have a .desktop file in that folder. | 17:57 |
| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: To get one or the other you'll need to swap out which file exists in that folder. | 17:58 |
| dm8tbr | ux selector *hint* *hint* | 17:58 |
| pebcak | gabrbedd ok, thanks | 17:58 |
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| magius_pendragon | gabrbedd: could i use the OnlyShowIn option? | 17:59 |
| gabrbedd | dm8tbr: perhaps you could give magius_pendragon a link to the ux selector? | 17:59 |
| magius_pendragon | gabrbedd: I have ux selector installed... | 17:59 |
| dm8tbr | it's on the meego wiki | 17:59 |
| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: no, that woudn't work because each UX sets what you are "In" | 17:59 |
| dm8tbr | then it might make sense to talk to Aard if there are more things that need to be adjusted to effectively switch | 18:00 |
| magius_pendragon | gabrbedd: then I'm missing something. I have the uxselector from the wiki for switching between teh two. It's te daemon that's running behind everything | 18:00 |
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| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: IDK. I've never used UX selector. It sounds like you said that both Netbook and Tablet UX's are getting started at the same time. If that's happening to you, then I would say ux selector is misconfigured or broken. | 18:01 |
| Aard | magius_pendragon: the problem is that the startup of those daemons are done via xdg autostart desktop files. unfortunately, they are not conditional | 18:01 |
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| Aard | I'm aware of the problem, but I don't see a solution possible without changing xdg-specifications right now (though I have to admit that I didn't spend much time thinking about it so far) | 18:02 |
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| magius_pendragon | Aard: just tried using the OnlyShowIn for the daemon. Seems to work. | 18:03 |
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| Aard | oh, looks like I missed one key when reading the specification :) | 18:05 |
| Aard | anyway, any comments about uxselect? I've been hoping to get some feedback of people using it for quite some time... | 18:06 |
| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: But... I think that'll only work until you try to switch UX's. | 18:06 |
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| alterego | Does the exo have 5 point tracking? | 18:07 |
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| magius_pendragon | gabrbedd: I just tried it on both handset (tablet) and netbook. | 18:07 |
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| gabrbedd | magius_pendragon: ok. | 18:08 |
| magius_pendragon | Aard: It seems to be ignoring the config file. Or I'm missing something about how that works. Does it switch live? I've only gotten it to work on boot. | 18:08 |
| pebcak | is there a way to make the gui somewhat smaller? | 18:08 |
| magius_pendragon | (well, on telinit 5) | 18:08 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: I was handed an ExoPC to play with at the conf... and it only did 2 points. | 18:09 |
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| Aard | magius_pendragon: it should read the config file after you exit a ux (though I didn't test if it actually works). when you exit a UX uxlaunch respawns, and then launches uxselect | 18:09 |
| pebcak | the driver for the egalax can do all 5 alterego gabrbedd | 18:10 |
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| magius_pendragon | Aard: I had tried adding another line for the Tablet UX, when I thought that it was using something other than mcompositor, but it's not showing up in the selection | 18:10 |
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| Aard | magius_pendragon: only entries which exist show up in the selection | 18:11 |
| gabrbedd | pebcak: I did `hexdump -C /dev/inputN` and it stopped sending messages when the 3rd finger hit the screen. | 18:11 |
| alterego | gabrbedd: okay, I just remember a demo of a paint app where they demo'd five point and wondered if it was an exo/wetab | 18:12 |
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| alterego | gabrbedd: yeah, I got an exo too, that's why I'm wondering, gonna download the wetab os image later. | 18:12 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: someone, somewhere, told me that the exo did 4x... but not the one I had. | 18:12 |
| magius_pendragon | Aard: what does it mean to exist in this case? | 18:12 |
| alterego | Oh, maybe it was 4x | 18:13 |
| Aard | magius_pendragon: uxselect checks if the path to the session-launcher exists, and only displays entries if it does | 18:13 |
| pebcak | gabrbedd got a wetab, got 5 or 4 | 18:13 |
| magius_pendragon | Aard: and if two have the same path? I think that was te issue, the 2nd one isn't showing | 18:13 |
| magius_pendragon | Aard: I'll test it out later and let you know | 18:14 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: But I was in a hurry, and it could have been a kernel driver thing. noodle around in /dev/input/by-id/ to find out the input device... | 18:14 |
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| gabrbedd | Then when you do `hexdump -C /dev/input/inputN` you should see messages stop when you've done one finger too many. | 18:14 |
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| alterego | Cool, well I'm heading off, it's my Nephews' birthday today :) | 18:14 |
| gabrbedd | I think there's a more human readable tool.... I just don't remember what it is. | 18:15 |
| gabrbedd | alterego: cya... tell 'em HB from us. ;-) | 18:15 |
| Aard | magius_pendragon: I use the session name as key -> only one can exist. anything else doesn't really make sense (at least in the current state, where you can't have special parameters for a session) | 18:15 |
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| Myrtti | moin | 18:17 |
| Myrtti | oh wow, what an eventful day yesterday | 18:17 |
| magius_pendragon | Aard: name and the header tag [blah] are unique, path is the same. Only one was showing up. | 18:17 |
| Aard | magius_pendragon: yes, I use path as key, and only take the first entry. it does not make sense to have multiple entries with the same path | 18:18 |
| alterego | What happened yesterday? Did I miss something good? :( | 18:18 |
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| magius_pendragon | Aard: okay, good to know | 18:19 |
| Aard | magius_pendragon: though I'm thinking if I should add some support for changing gconf-values (would be required to support an install of both handset and tablet ux on one device) | 18:20 |
| Myrtti | went to have a walkabout at Hyde Street Pier, then took a cable car to Union Square, walked from there through the Chinatown, went to City Lights bookstore and from there to Embarcadero, and with a trolley to the hotel, at the hotel pulled out my laptop only to find the powerbrick wasn't in the bag... | 18:20 |
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| Myrtti | cue a trip to Hyatt with a trolley, bus to Geary at Masonic Ave Best Buy, shopping for a new powerbrick and a side order of Flipcam extra battery and a cab back to the hotel... | 18:21 |
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| magius_pendragon | Aard: I can see how it'd be helpful. For my current situation I didn't need it, I was just confused since I was using it as a placeholder. | 18:22 |
| Myrtti | ending up with a grand total of a one sunburnt Englishman, one medium-rare Finn, less money in the wallet and lots of scenery seen. | 18:23 |
| Myrtti | (and of course the aforementioned shopping) | 18:23 |
| Aard | magius_pendragon: if you want to be helpful, please add things you found out (and things which confused you) to the ux changing wiki page | 18:23 |
| magius_pendragon | Aard: will do, thanks for the help | 18:24 |
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| Myrtti | so - did anyone grab my powerbrick into their bag at Hyatt? | 18:24 |
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| Myrtti | because, you know, I'd still want it back | 18:24 |
| Aard | and if you have more feedback, please tell. we'll most likely include uxselect in 1.3, but I don't like doing that without any feedback from users at all right now | 18:25 |
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| magius_pendragon | Aard: I'll let you know as I play with it a bit mroe. | 18:30 |
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| pebcak | gabrbedd was indeed a change with the graphics/theming which wasn't complete with just updating via zypper | 18:45 |
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| gabrbedd | pebcak: ok, thanks | 18:52 |
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| * CosmoHill grumbles cos data admin and database admin are too similar | 19:04 | |
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| CosmoHill | just a quick fyi, the link http://bit.ly/cYT2Hs/ doesn't work with the / on the end | 19:11 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: I like the picture with the dead blowfish. | 19:14 |
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| CosmoHill | damn that's a sweet 404 page | 19:15 |
| pebcak | gabrbedd http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8128/meegoo.png | 19:15 |
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| berndhs | bit.ly broken ? they got to Muammar ? | 19:16 |
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| Myrtti | WWWWHHHYYYY can't there be md5sums of the images repo.meego.com and download.meego.com??????!?!?!?!?!?! | 19:23 |
| Myrtti | WWWWWHHYYYY?!?! | 19:23 |
| thiago_MUC | KHAAAAAN!!! | 19:23 |
| thiago_MUC | wait, wrong movie | 19:23 |
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| CosmoHill | rofl | 19:23 |
| Myrtti | this is shite - tablet wont boot but I have no way of telling if the problem is with dd of the image or image itself :-< | 19:24 |
| Myrtti | *ahem* | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | 56528b8331cf7f28171b91fe59d2fa38 meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img | 19:24 |
| Myrtti | sorry | 19:24 |
| Myrtti | thanks, close but no cigar | 19:24 |
| Myrtti | I want it on the website | 19:25 |
| Myrtti | and all the images | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | me too | 19:25 |
| Myrtti | including dailies and snapshots, and all UX versions | 19:25 |
| Myrtti | so I reiterate: WWWWHHHYYYY?!?!?! | 19:25 |
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| * CosmoHill blinks | 19:25 | |
| CosmoHill | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/MANIFEST | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | found them | 19:25 |
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| Myrtti | oh well, atleast there's partial success | 19:26 |
| Myrtti | too bad the snapshot images don't have that | 19:26 |
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| Myrtti | oh. | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | I'm just blind | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | nevermind | 19:27 |
| Myrtti | *whistles* | 19:27 |
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| eg81 | the name of this file is confusing | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 19:28 |
| eg81 | why it's manifest but not sums or md5sums | 19:28 |
| eg81 | or smth like that | 19:28 |
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| Myrtti | um... | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | someone should file a bug | 19:29 |
| * CosmoHill looks at Myrtti | 19:29 | |
| eg81 | :) | 19:29 |
| Myrtti | yeah, once I get the tablet booting with this sodding image I just might! | 19:30 |
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| * npm wishes there was an X-based remote keyboard "tunnel app" ... displays on exopc, but lets you type w/ desktop keyboard | 19:48 | |
| thiago_MUC | it's called "ssh" | 19:51 |
| newbie007 | I think the nook color suffers the same no keyboard problem (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3037&page=3) | 19:51 |
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| newbie007 | the only connection is usb which cannot be used | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | can't you do networking over usb/ | 19:52 |
| wmarone | yes, the lack of a keyboard or regular USB on the nook color is a pain | 19:52 |
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| newbie007 | wmarone: is there something I can do to help get meego on the nookcolor? | 19:54 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_MUC: I think that npm wants to use the $DISPLAY of the remote computer, but the keyboard of the local computer. I don't know of any solution for that. | 19:54 |
| wmarone | yes, if you've got any experience working with OMAP or other mobile devices | 19:54 |
| wmarone | the first thing is getting the display to actually come on, and I'm kinda poking around in the dark | 19:54 |
| thiago_MUC | hmm | 19:55 |
| wmarone | no pun intended | 19:55 |
| newbie007 | no I'm a newb, I'm a programmer for 10 years but mainly business apps. Very willing to learn though | 19:55 |
| wmarone | hm | 19:55 |
| akk | Isn't meego using X (for now, anyway)? Couldn't you use X forwarding? | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | GEtting ssh or some sort of netork up can be an alternative. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if it's just serial console. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The amount you can do once you've got some meens of talking to it... | 19:56 |
| wmarone | akk: I can't even see how far the boot is getting | 19:56 |
| wmarone | the link to the serial output over USB looks like it would be far more useful right now | 19:56 |
| thiago_MUC | X forwarding will not use the display of one device and keyboard of another | 19:57 |
| thiago_MUC | it's all or nothing | 19:57 |
| newbie007 | it's basically the same architechure as the n900, I wonder if a rouge nokia developer might leak thoes drivers | 19:57 |
| thiago_MUC | a red nokia developer? | 19:57 |
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| newbie007 | a fired nokia dev | 19:57 |
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| thiago_MUC | leaked drivers are still not usable | 19:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Leaked drivers for what? | 19:58 |
| thiago_MUC | I don't know | 19:58 |
| thiago_MUC | I'm just reacting to the "rouge nokia developer" part | 19:58 |
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| akk | true, you couldn't still display on the meego device then | 19:58 |
| wmarone | newbie007: which is why I chose it. But everything necessary for video is already available in the DE | 19:58 |
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| smoku | npm, http://freshmeat.net/projects/x2x/ or better http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ | 20:00 |
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| smoku | with X11 everything is possible :) | 20:01 |
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| akk | It's certainly possible. But probably not without writing an app for the purpose. | 20:03 |
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| npm | smoku: thanks | 20:17 |
| npm | hmm | 20:17 |
| npm | repo oss has 'quicksynergy | 20:17 |
| npm | ' | 20:17 |
| npm | Summary: Share keyboard and mouse between computers | 20:17 |
| npm | or i can install synergy-plus.1.3.4-6.fc14 | 20:18 |
| npm | 'oss' also has synergy-1.3.1-9.7 | 20:18 |
| npm | 'QuickSynergy is a graphical interface (GUI) for easily configuring Synergy2, an application that allows the user to share his mouse and keyboard between two or more computers.' | 20:19 |
| npm | ^^^ part of meego :-) | 20:19 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: lemme know how that goes. :-) | 20:25 |
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| berndhs | just don't do your banking with synergy :) | 20:26 |
| npm | what my tablet doesn't have manpages installed :-) | 20:26 |
| npm | gabrbedd: will do | 20:26 |
| npm | except that quicksynergy(1) didn't tell me how to use itself | 20:26 |
| npm | but is running on tablet | 20:27 |
| smoku | IIRC it's a panel applet ;-) | 20:27 |
| smoku | or tray applet | 20:27 |
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| npm | yes it looks kinda funny full-screen | 20:27 |
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| smoku | try using synergy directly from command line - it's easy | 20:28 |
| npm | the "about" button is about 4 cm by 4cm | 20:28 |
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| npm | setting up quicksynergy requires plugging in a USB keyboard :-) | 20:29 |
| npm | there's a fine line between irony and ridiculousness | 20:29 |
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| gabrbedd | npm: couldn't you log in with `ssh -X` to configure it? | 20:30 |
| npm | yes | 20:30 |
| npm | ssh -Y actually | 20:31 |
| npm | -X is oldschool | 20:31 |
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| * alterego downloads wetab os image | 20:44 | |
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| vgrade | alterego, you have a exo now | 20:44 |
| alterego | Yup | 20:45 |
| alterego | They were giving them out at the App Up labs on sunday | 20:45 |
| alterego | I'll have to demo it at the next meetup :) | 20:46 |
| vgrade | I'm still looking for the London App to be announced | 20:46 |
| alterego | :) It was a really good session | 20:46 |
| vgrade | I can't do the Borm meetup as I'm away again :( | 20:46 |
| vgrade | Birm | 20:46 |
| alterego | Ah :/ | 20:47 |
| alterego | The loan period is 3 years, then you have to destroy it or return it | 20:47 |
| vgrade | not a bad deal | 20:48 |
| alterego | tbh, I don't think large tablets like that will last much more than 3-4 years anyway. | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, destory it? | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | destroy*, seriously? | 20:49 |
| alterego | I'm not a huge fan of the form factor. I guess it's good couch surfing size, but I'm more into mobility. | 20:49 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah | 20:50 |
| alterego | Or send it back | 20:50 |
| vgrade | alterego, I played with the new htc 7" at the weekend, still to big for a pocket | 20:50 |
| alterego | Well, pocket size is obviously one issue, the other is one handed holding for voice calls and stuff. | 20:51 |
| vgrade | alterego, anyone talking about other arm devices at the conf, tegra,snapdragon etc | 20:52 |
| alterego | Nope | 20:52 |
| alterego | Not that I saw | 20:52 |
| alterego | The general consensus is that tegra is crap :) | 20:52 |
| alterego | But meh, I don't really know much about it's ins/outs. | 20:53 |
| vgrade | oh, | 20:53 |
| alterego | And it's still a very new platform | 20:54 |
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| npm | vgrade: those htc 7"s will require really baggy pants... but the weight will require a belt :-) | 20:54 |
| vgrade | madness | 20:55 |
| npm | otherwise you get a little too much "linux plumbers" showing... | 20:55 |
| berndhs | did you not know that suspenders are the new fashion trend ? | 20:55 |
| npm | man larry king should have gone into plumbing | 20:56 |
| vgrade | suspenders! | 20:56 |
| berndhs | and you can weave a nice antenna into the suspenders too | 20:57 |
| vgrade | ah, braces, suspenders mean something else here | 20:58 |
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| * npm wonders if we're ever going to have planetary explorers crashing into the surface of planets (because one contractor used meters, the other feet) because people's english means different things? | 21:01 | |
| alterego | vgrade: anyway, no announcements at all | 21:01 |
| gabrbedd | npm: time to switch to latin? | 21:02 |
| * npm refers to mars polar lander disaster | 21:02 | |
| alterego | Anyway, I need to bolt for a bit. | 21:02 |
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| vgrade | alterego, bye | 21:03 |
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| berndhs | npm: we had that already, i think was called Beagle | 21:04 |
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| npm | really? what specific kind of misunderstandings happened? | 21:04 |
| berndhs | fired retro rockets at the wrong height I think | 21:05 |
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| npm | oh, i thought you referred to beagleboard | 21:05 |
| berndhs | no, the Beagle that crashed into Mars | 21:05 |
| npm | last i checked the beagleboard has no retrorockets :-) | 21:05 |
| npm | unless it's an add on module | 21:05 |
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| berndhs | you need a weapons import/export permit for those :) | 21:06 |
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| npm | kind of like that nerf gun project built w/ n900 (?) i heard about at conf. | 21:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | pandaboard looks fun too. | 21:10 |
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| gabrbedd | I think pandaboard only supports solid rocket modules. | 21:12 |
| npm | I hear it has a great HAARP plugin though | 21:14 |
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| npm | BTW, what's the diff between http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/turn-your-html-javascript-web-code-meego-apps-using-appup-encapsulator and http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/22/update-on-the-jumping-norwegian-guy-and-the-qt-web-runtime-project/ | 21:26 |
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| * npm wants to encapsulate my web app http://nielsmayer.com/trainspodder-prototype.jpg | 21:28 | |
| blauzahl | this sounds like a joke? | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | a | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh, sorry. | 21:28 |
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| blauzahl | without looking at the second link, possibly very little, but there might be more API in the first eventually | 21:28 |
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| npm | blauzahl: thanks. i got the impression it was just a relabeling for the intel sdk of what's in qtcreator 2.1 | 22:14 |
| npm | however i was taking a shower and not investigating the issue :-) | 22:15 |
| npm | next year, can we get a waterproof exopc? | 22:15 |
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| npm | "their tablet may be designed in california, but only our tablet is designed to work in a hot-tub" | 22:19 |
| blauzahl | that's very californian | 22:19 |
| npm | thats where i live | 22:19 |
| npm | Newport Beach, CA -- home of the economic collapse of a variety of EU nations | 22:20 |
| npm | sorry. it wasn't me | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | npm: Fortunately a key patent has expuired. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4536064/description.html | 22:22 |
| npm | so that means now we can use those stupid QML spinning transitions w/o fearing patent violation :-) | 22:24 |
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| gabrbedd | Then you could experience the ghost of Coriolis whenever you drag-and-drop. | 22:29 |
| npm | hmm... that's an interesting idea for a window manager... centrifugal force... unless you keep things in the center, the slowly fly away onto outer screes | 22:31 |
| npm | s/screes/screens | 22:31 |
| gabrbedd | "Great for DJ's!" | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I would love a tablet I could use in the bath. | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I've pondered making one. | 22:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | But I ended up just using a disposable mouse, and my laptop placed out of the way of splashes. | 22:33 |
| akk | I know people who put their phones in a ziplock bag and use them in the bath. | 22:33 |
| gabrbedd | SpeedEvil: My kids have one. Kinda like Tuxpaint. | 22:34 |
| gabrbedd | No wifi, though. | 22:34 |
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| npm | quick late breaking session... meego bath ux | 22:34 |
| berndhs | or the user could counter-rotate the device to null out the spin | 22:35 |
| berndhs | the bath UX could be a simpler version of the marine UX | 22:36 |
| npm | i wasn't thinking the windows would be spinning, the window is in the same reference frame as the spinning | 22:36 |
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| npm | it would take care of the problem of old windows stacking on top of each other on a tablet ux so that there's no way to tell they're there w/o going to the window switcher | 22:38 |
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| npm | i.e. a lack of "context" that might occur on a larger display w/ traditional window manager and stacking/overlap | 22:39 |
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| delac | is there any good reason why the wiki page for Meego SDK 1.2 doesn't mention repository as possible way to install the SDK. Only the network installer. There seems to be stuff on the repos though. | 22:50 |
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| akk | I think the gui installer uses the repos under the hood -- but it sure would be nice to have that documented, and have a more transparent way to install. | 22:53 |
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| delac | akk: well, in that case following instructions for sdk 1.1 shouldn't do any harm. But yes, it would be nice if it was mentioned there too. | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | oh fudging faffility | 23:09 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: Hey bro! Making fudge? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | no | 23:10 |
| lcuk | just stripped down entire laptop to change the screen | 23:10 |
| lcuk | and once I fitted the nice shiny new screen | 23:10 |
| lcuk | and put it all back together | 23:10 |
| lcuk | found out the inverter is not operating with it | 23:11 |
| lcuk | so I stripped it down again | 23:11 |
| gabrbedd | :-( | 23:11 |
| lcuk | put the old screen back in to check if it was the inverter itself | 23:11 |
| lcuk | and it is | 23:11 |
| lcuk | so, meh for productivity | 23:11 |
| gabrbedd | :-(( | 23:11 |
| lcuk | I was having a good run today too! | 23:12 |
| * lcuk ahead on hours though | 23:13 | |
| lcuk | gabrbedd, I even found all the right screws and had non left over! | 23:14 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: That's a shame. So do you need a new mobo now? | 23:14 |
| lcuk | no | 23:14 |
| lcuk | just inverter card | 23:14 |
| * lcuk typing on it now | 23:14 | |
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| lcuk | gabrbedd, how was the conf for you? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | did you do any mixing on the plane? | 23:17 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: conference was great. a lot of work and fun mixed together... very good time. On the plane, I took the opportunity to rest (both directions). | 23:18 |
| lcuk | hah | 23:18 |
| lcuk | I open up a blank page and start writing | 23:19 |
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| * timoph is back in Finland | 23:46 | |
| timoph | baggage handlers are on strike at hel airport.. | 23:47 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: yay! | 23:47 |
| leinir | yay fun :P | 23:47 |
| gabrbedd | timoph: boo on the baggage handlers... | 23:47 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 23:47 |
| timoph | so I guess I'll get my bag some day | 23:48 |
| Myrtti | lesson of the day: do not fly to/from Helsinki | 23:48 |
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| timoph | they just gave averyone one form to fill "were to send your luggage once it's handled" :) | 23:49 |
| timoph | still need to sit 1.5h on a bus to tampere :/ | 23:51 |
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| CosmoHill | so timoph is back in finland but his luggage is not? | 23:54 |
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| Myrtti | oh I'm sure his luggage is too | 23:55 |
| Myrtti | ... in a big pile with gazillion other bags | 23:55 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: They just kick all the bags off the plain and leave them in a pile until the union gets the deal they want. | 23:55 |
| timoph | yep :) | 23:55 |
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