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lcuksupposing I have a qml app00:56
lcukwhat is the simplest mechanism to using a native c++ class with it00:56
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ieatlintlcuk: substantiate the qml object from c++, use setContextProperty() for an instance of the class you want QML to be able to use01:05
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ieatlintthen you can call functions from it in QML, as long as the function is a slot, or is proceeded with the macro Q_INVOKABLE (eg Q_INVOKABLE void fuckBirds( QString blah ); )01:06
ieatlintcome on, it's "easy" ! :P01:07
ieatlint(and it will map basic types like QString, int, double)01:07
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ieatlint"In hindsight, Nokia was the wrong partner to have picked" — Intel CEO Paul Otellini01:09
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gabrbeddieatlint: And the alternative partner was.... ??01:13
alteregoieatlint: yeah, he wouldn't have said that had Nokia not pissed their pants and Elop wasn't sucking balls-mer01:14
alteregoAnd I wouldn't have trusted any other vendor01:14
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gabrbeddIMHO, if they had stuck with it I think it would have been pretty awesome... esp. the way they were leveridging the Qt API.01:15
alteregoHow many other handset manufacturers have the experience and expertise to a) develop an OS and b) do it in the open?01:15
alteregoIt took Android to get other manufacturers into the open movement.01:15
ieatlintgabrbedd: i'm not trying to start a commentary on it, i just thought it was a funny quote01:15
alteregoAnd the only reason they chose that (imo flawed platform) is because it was better than the crap they were shipping01:16
alteregoAnd it reduced costs.01:16
gabrbeddieatlint: Indeed.  But this *is* irc, not twitter.  :-)01:16
ieatlinti was doing this on irc long before twitter :P01:17
alteregoieatlint: you at the conference next week?01:18
ieatlintyep01:18
gabrbeddieatlint: :-)01:18
ieatlintshould be a fun and interesting week01:19
alteregoYup :)01:20
alteregoI'm ver excited01:20
* alterego 's first conference01:20
ieatlintthere'll be lots of alcohol, don't worry01:20
alteregoAre you saying you're gonna get me pissed?01:21
ieatlinti generally plan on getting people at conferences drunk01:22
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ieatlintbut i also tend to keep my hands to myself, don't worry ;)01:23
XavierdarknessMeego intrigues me. Haven't looked at it in months, though.01:24
berndhsdrunk people are  more honest01:24
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ieatlinti'm sober now, so perhaps keep that in mind01:25
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berndhsyeah, can't trust you at present :)01:25
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CosmoHillpeople who have been awake to long are also fairly truthful01:26
berndhsyes true, makes it harder to lie consistently01:26
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CosmoHillalso their internal filters don't work so well so things slip out01:28
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alteregoThat might explain why I can't lie01:29
alteregoBecause I'm always pissed and tired.01:29
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vgradeCosmoHill, go reading02:05
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CosmoHill:D02:06
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npmwhat is this -- http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2.0:/oss/standard/i586/kmod-virtiogl-1.1.2+git1+83577c3-1.13.i586.rpm -- and on what hardware should it be installed?03:04
npm== "virtio-gl kernel module used for openGL acceleration of client OS."03:05
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iekkumorning06:41
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gabrbeddhowdy!06:53
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verdang wiki needs an update.07:03
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vervgrade, are you using/sharing code with the trimslice guys with respect to your tegra2 work?07:19
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verright, 5am there atm, heh.07:20
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npmin the meego 1.2 netbook UX, the "meego-panel-people" app now (in 1.2.0) comes up "available" as soon as the network comes up. is there a way to switch back to old behavior 1.1.99 of march/april, which was to stay offline until i went online explicitly?07:41
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npmbut then again, maybe I missed the needed customization in the output of  "gconftool-2 -R /"07:43
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ss_hey guys09:33
ss_does anyone know about mcompositor?09:34
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ss_in detail?09:34
thiago_homekimmo hämäläinen probably does09:34
iekkuhmmm, does any of you know punk clubs in SF? (i know it's stupid question, but still want to know :) )09:35
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w00t_ss_: what detail?09:38
* w00t_ knows a few things about it09:38
ieatlintiekku: most punk stuff is in oakland i'm told09:39
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iekkuieatlint, oh, ok09:40
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iekkuieatlint, i think that's not doable then :( costs too much, i think :D09:40
ieatlinti'm told http://www.924gilman.org/ is a suggestion09:41
ieatlintberkeley there actually09:41
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iekkuOH MY GOOD OH MY GOOD!!!!09:41
ieatlintit's 1mile walk from a BART station (local urban rail)09:41
iekkucitizen fish playing there 22th09:42
ss_well09:42
ss_after running mcompositor09:42
ss_my touchscreen doesnt work at all09:43
ieatlintBART to the nearby station would be cheap (probably $3-4 each way), but you'd still have to walk a decent way (or take an expensive taxi, which would be difficult on the trip from the club to the station)09:43
iekkuieatlint, i'm so greatful for you about that link that i can't even tell09:43
ss_I am just wondering if mcompositor is affecting touch event or sth09:43
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lbtBostik: ping10:11
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Bostiklbt: oink10:17
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lanyijiahi,everyone, I meet a problem. I have been intalled wayland on meego .But, When I run compositor in meego's terminal. It gives a error as follows: "DrmModeGetResources failed". Although the compositor can run now, but the other simple demos can't run on the compositor. Anyone have some good idea about this problem?10:39
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verlanyijia, first thing i'd check would be permissions on your drm/dri character devices10:43
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lanyijiahow to check?10:45
verls -l /dev probably10:47
JaffaMorning, all10:48
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lanyijiaThere is a file, namd dri.10:50
lanyijiaDoes it mean that my computer can support DRM?10:50
thiago_homedirect rendering manager, yes10:52
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lanyijiathen, do what? I think I need to modify the GPU's mode to make it use DRM.right?10:56
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verto allow users access possibly10:57
ver"chmod 777 /dev/dri" maybe10:58
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lanyijiayes,this method can help me to deal with 'DrmModeGetResources failed'. However, wayland still cannot run.  thank you, ver .11:11
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verlanyijia, to be brutally honest i haven't used meego ever. any suggestions i give you will be total guesses.11:12
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lanyijia:)11:13
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veror wayland for that matter11:15
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lanyijiahave you meet this problem: 'bash:syntax error near unexpected token ';' ' in meego's terminal.11:21
lanyijiai want to run two demos at the same time in meego.11:22
verit means your bash syntax is busted11:22
dm8tbrI'd just use '&'11:22
lbtpastebin the commandline11:23
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lanyijia'&' and ';' are the same?11:23
vernope11:24
ver& is fork while remaining attached to the pty.11:24
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lanyijiaadd '(' ')', and then ';' can be used.11:26
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andreizrohy all. Is the 1.2.80 build the final release candidate? will there be any change in the 1.2 release as opposed to this build?12:31
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araujoandreizro, 1.2.80 is the 1.3 development image12:40
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luisbghello all, where can I get more recent handset images? the ones I see are from October '1012:45
stefan99http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 where is the equalent for 1.3? http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.3 seems to be missing12:45
andre__luisbg, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ ?12:46
andre__but those are unstable ones12:46
luisbgandre__, latest stable is that one from October '10?12:46
luisbgandre__, and thanks :)12:46
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JaffaDoes anybody know if there's an iCal feed of the conference schedule yet, or a shiny QML app?12:47
luisbgandre__, do you know which version runs in the ideaPad they gave in the last conference?12:47
alteregoJaffa: qml dialer? :)12:48
andre__not by heart :)12:48
alteregoJaffa: in images as of today12:48
andreizroaraujo: OK. do you know where is the 1.2 Gold image ? I see 1.1.99.6 was supposed to go out on May 11, but I can't find it12:48
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Jaffaalterego: Not just a general shiny QML app, but one to help with the conference attendanceness12:52
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alteregoHrm, not sure then12:52
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lcukJaffa, sojourner is the app used for confs typically12:54
lcukhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/12:54
lcukit was last updated for summit-fi12:55
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araujoandreizro, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.1.99/1.1.99.7.20110516.2/images/ , latest one for the upcoming 1.213:12
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lcuk\o araujo13:13
araujolcuk, o/ !13:13
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araujohow it goes lcuk ? :)13:13
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lcukaraujo, reasonable, just looking at the photo app ( bug 16023 )13:20
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16023 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [Trunk:Testing] The photo files are not displayed in photo viewer13:21
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lcukSpace Shuttle and ISS have just docked.13:21
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andre__in MeeGo?13:22
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lcukandre__, lol13:28
lcukNext Generation rovers powered by MeeGo ISVI13:28
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JaffaDawnFoster: thiago: are you aware of a machine-readable (i.e. XML) version of the Conference schedule? http://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2011/05/18/sojourner-help-wanted-for-meego-conference-sf/13:52
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lbtJaffa: heh ... was talking to timoph on #meego-fi yesterday or monday about that13:53
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maxwanyone using the meego emulator in qtcreator? The 'start meego emulator' button is disabled - any clues why?14:07
eg81maxw: which meego sdk version you are using and on which system ?14:08
maxwI'm on fedora14 and the 1.2 sdk, iirc (just downloaded it today)14:09
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maxwah, hrm...with a branch new project, it seems to work...I guess that's my clue to figuring out what is wrong...14:13
maxwI mean 'brand new project'14:13
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arfollis module-avahi-* not available on meego 1,2?14:21
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maxweg81:I'm stuck again...my app is plain QtQuick, but I need to use components that would normally be in the chroot (or scratchbox in the world I've moved from). I'm confused how this works...14:31
maxwIf I make a qtquick project, I don't get the emulator available14:31
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RST38hTruly enlightening comments here: https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel14:35
eg81maxw: hmm why do you need chroot/scratchbox, you said it's a simple qml application14:35
maxwwell, the app is plain qml...but it uses components14:36
maxwand I don't really want to install components onto my host system14:36
maxw...but, yes, I don't really understand how this stuff works14:37
eg81maxw: can you select "qt quick application" instead of "qt quick ui" in new project window ?14:37
eg81then you will be able to select available targets14:37
maxwI've been working on changes to meego-ux-{components,media}, so I need to figure out how to install those into the emulator too, I suppose14:38
maxwok, I'll try that14:38
maxwof course, I have existing project files14:39
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maxwyeah, the qtquickapplication enables the emulator...I guess I can use the .pro file from that to figure out what changes I need to my own 'plain qml' app's .profile file, right?14:40
eg81maxw: right14:41
maxwok, thanks...will see how far I get14:42
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eg81np14:52
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vertrouble installing a runtime here: http://pastebin.ca/2063402 any clues/tips?15:17
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eg81mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime -fg15:19
eg81poweron :)15:20
eg81mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime poweron -fg15:20
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verhmm, says "Runtime 'meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime' not found".  it seems mad is calling "/opt/meego/qemu-gl/bin/qemugl -hda meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20110110.1049-sda.raw -name MeeGo -m 1024 -boot c -enable-kvm -vga std -enable-gl -device virtio-gl-pci -soundhw ac97 -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:6666-:22,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:13219-:13219,hostfwd=tcp:127.0.0.1:14168-:14168" which yields "/opt/meego/qemu-gl/bin/qemugl: inva15:21
verlid option -- '-enable-kvm'"15:21
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chem|stYEAH _o/ grub for meego!15:22
chem|stgrub supports btrfs now15:23
maxweg81: hi...me again..although I launched the emulator, it seems it was supposed to display more than just a black screen...I see some kvm bug related to ubuntu (I'm on fedora)...any ideas?15:24
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eg81maxw: sounds like this https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16209, but I'm not sure15:26
MeeGoBotBug 16209 nor, High, ---, zhiyuan.lv, VERI FIXED, meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.99.0.20110329.5-runtime showing entire black screen15:26
eg81is it handset or netbook version ?15:26
maxwtablet15:27
eg81oh...15:27
maxw(I think)15:27
maxwwell, I want the tablet anyway - though I guess I don't really care at this point15:27
eg81which target you are using ?15:27
maxwtarget?15:28
maxwhow do I find that?15:28
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maxwI see a few "Unknown MeeGo version!" messages in the terminal I ran qtcreator from.15:29
eg81maxw: that's known version15:29
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eg81tfu s/version/problem15:29
eg81:)15:30
maxwoh, ok...I can ignore that then...how to find the target?15:30
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eg81yes, you can ignore it, in qt creator click on projects (on the left side)15:31
maxwk...nothing 'target'15:31
eg81then you should see two builds (desktop, and another is meego)15:31
eg81right ?15:31
eg81so what qt version is in MeeGo panel15:31
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maxwah, I see 'targets' ;) build settings...general...qt version...meego-tablet-ia32-1.2.0.0.0.20010516.615:32
maxwis that what you wanted?15:32
eg81yes, so now I know which target and version you are using15:33
maxwfyi, I'm just trying an unmodified qtquick application atm, which seems to be a 'hello world'15:34
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eg81:)15:42
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maxweg81: is that bug not marked as 'fixed'?15:55
maxwbrb15:55
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notmarthmm, do application windows in the meego tablet have to set some xatom in particular to get in the window list?15:57
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eg81MeeGoBot: brbr, which bug ?16:06
MeeGoBoteg81: Sorry, I've no idea what 'brbr, which bug' might be.16:06
eg81maxw: which bug ?16:06
maxwhttps://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1620916:08
MeeGoBotBug 16209 nor, High, ---, zhiyuan.lv, VERI FIXED, meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.99.0.20110329.5-runtime showing entire black screen16:08
iekkuverified today16:09
iekkubut no comments....16:09
maxwy16:09
maxwI guess I have to wait then16:09
iekkuasked the comments,16:09
iekkuhope they are available soon16:10
maxwme too16:10
maxwanyway, I guess I should chroot in the meantime16:10
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eg81maxw: if I remember correctly this bug was related only to handset runtime16:18
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maxweg81:hrm...well I guess there aren't so many differences and I don't suppose too many people have tried the tablet ones, no?16:22
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eg81maxw: they use different graphical backends as I know, and this issue was related to opengl es (only handsets), but let me check that tablet image if it works for me16:32
maxwI think tablets also use opengl es (still powervr)...I'm often wrong though ;)16:35
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maxwthanks for checking16:36
lcukmaxw, being wrong is ok as long as you listen to folks and learn from things16:36
maxwindeed :)16:37
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eg81maxw: meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime image works fine to me16:47
maxwok, good to know16:48
maxwI'll try again tomorrow :/16:48
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maxweg81:any clues what I might have done wrong?16:49
eg81maxw: which graphical card is on your computer ? is it intel, or nvidia/ati ?16:51
maxwintel16:51
eg81hmm16:51
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eg81to things that you can do - 1. start this runtime from command line16:51
eg81e.g. mad remote -r meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime poweron -fg16:51
eg812. logon onto device using ssh16:52
eg81check Xorg and messages file... maybe there some errors16:52
eg813. create bug report :)16:52
maxwwell, logging onto the device using ssh was the first problem I had...16:52
maxwit kept closing the connection16:53
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maxwbut I have a bus to catch, so I'll make a note of above and attack it again in the morning - thanks!16:53
eg81ok :)16:54
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luisbghow do you close an application in MeeGo? I mean, I want to go back to the panels view17:16
luisbgand yes... I'm ashamed I have to ask this17:17
dm8tbrthere is usually a physical home button17:18
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lcukluisbg, on which device?17:23
luisbglcuk, ideapad... and I discovered the windows key does the trick17:23
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lcukahh17:25
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lcukluisbg, a bit fiddly if you want it in slate mode!17:25
luisbglcuk, slate mode?17:25
luisbgand...17:26
luisbgthe button to change the orientation of the screen doesn't work, which is a bit uncomfortable17:26
lcukluisbg, if you turn the ideapad into a slate17:26
luisbgahhh yes, but in "laptop" mode the screen is sometimes sideways17:26
luisbgthe display on the screen, no the actual screen sorry17:26
lcukahh portrait mode for the launcher and stuff17:27
luisbgyes17:27
sergiusensdoes rotation work on the ideapad these days?17:27
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luisbgsergiusens, nope17:30
lcuksergiusens, the last I heard was that the kernel module thingy required was still not being used17:30
luisbgat least not here17:30
lcuki believe the ideapad has the required accelerometers17:30
sergiusenslcuk: yes, I've heard that it does support it, but the required modules weren't there. I'm no kernel hacker so my stance is to wait and ask every now and then17:31
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lcuksergiusens, add yourself to bug 1088517:37
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10885 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Accelerometer support for Lenovo S10-3t in QtMobility17:37
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lcuksergiusens, and so when you discuss it, you can also give link to there and a potential kernel/qt/mobility hacker can follow it through if they have skills17:39
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sergiusensthanks for the link lcuk17:40
* sergiusens is happy he finally switched from MeeGo netbook's empathy to irssi for irc17:41
gabrbeddsergiusens: lcuk: do the req'd modules exist somewhere?  Or do they need to be written?17:42
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lcukgabrbedd, I don't know.  but I bet one of the 460 people here do ->>17:44
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sergiusensI'm unaware of their existence or non existence17:46
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gabrbeddlcuk: sergiusens: OK.  If it already exists somewhere, it's an easy fix.  If not, then not quite so easy.  :-)17:50
gabrbeddDawnFoster: Good morning!17:50
DawnFostermorning gabrbedd17:51
gabrbeddDawnFoster: What are the standard resources for conf. session rooms?  (Ones that I don't have to make a special request for.)17:51
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* gabrbedd hopes he's not asking something that's already published.17:52
DawnFosterI thought it was on the wiki somewhere, but could be wrong17:52
DawnFosterwe have all of the standard stuff - projector, microphones, etc.17:52
DawnFostersessions will be videotaped17:53
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DawnFosterbring any special cables / adaptors to plug into VGA17:53
gabrbeddDawnFoster: OK, thanks.  I didn't want to assume.17:53
gabrbedd:-)17:53
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DawnFosterbut you should confirm any special presentation needs in case I missed something :)17:54
lcukDawnFoster, having an app to log the bluetooth connections nearby would really help with reconstructing corridor track discussions after the events!17:54
lcukso that your memory of standing talking to "someone" on the runup to dinner time17:55
lcukcan be linked with bluetooth names and help remember more of it17:55
DawnFosterlcuk: hmmm, sounds a little big brother17:55
* gabrbedd will be sure to pack a tin-foil hat17:55
lcukjust an automated way of remembering people17:55
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mikhas_hum, isnt that kind of a security issue that Tablet UX runs with a ssh daemon enabled by default? well-known default users/passwords etc ...17:56
lcukDawnFoster, digital conf badges are similar principle17:56
gabrbeddmikhas_: That's typical for development.  I would expect that it's removed on release day.  If not, that's unforgivable.17:57
DawnFosterlcuk: true - people either love the idea or hate it :)17:57
lcukyeah, I guess barcodes on the badges and photos thereof would be the better way :)17:57
DawnFosterpeople should bring QR codes17:58
DawnFosterwith basic contact info17:58
lcukI have n900 on a lanyard :)17:58
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lcukDawnFoster, http://liqbase.net/liq.pendant.20091225_001.jpg17:59
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RonksuDawnFoster: any chance that there would be us power plug adaptors handed out to participants? Or should I pick one from the airport / hotel?18:02
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gabrbeddlcuk: :-)18:03
DawnFosterRonksu: I *think* that we are going to put adaptors in the bags18:03
DawnFosterhowever, I don't know *when* the bags are being distributed18:03
RonksuDawnFoster: awesome. That would have been my next question :)18:03
DawnFosterRonksu: no later than Monday morning, but not sure about weekend attendees18:04
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RonksuDawnFoster: yep. Will be there on Friday afternoon, so probably best to buy one somewhere18:05
DawnFosterRonksu: yeah, good idea. should be easy enough to find in SF18:06
JaffaRonksu: ...or at your outbound airport18:07
JaffaDawnFoster: Hopefully I'll get a bag this time :-)18:07
Ronksunot expecting it to be difficult, just hoped to avoid buying one if one is given out anyway18:07
* Jaffa has got laptop & USB chargers for UK, US & European plugs now, so hopefully adapterless :)18:07
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* w00t_ has european, UK adapters and will be getting US adapters18:08
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w00t_I meant to get some on the way to finland this time, but sort of forgot18:08
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Alison_Chaikendneary, the Warmup Weekend page about the MXR on Sunday confuses me.   Is that "Mozilla Cross Reference"?   Would it be possible to add a hyperlink to some explanatory content?18:10
Ronksuhmm, might just have found one. Could be for japan though (not sure if they are the same)18:10
dnearyAlison_Chaiken, I actually don't know18:10
dnearytimeless isn't about, no?18:11
Alison_ChaikenTomorrow I will go and buy glue sticks, etc. for the Sat afternoon festivities.   Angela should have the balsa for a weeke.18:11
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dnearyI think it's MeeGo X something S something18:11
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dnearyor R something18:11
Stskeeps|holidayAlison_Chaiken: mxr, mxr.meego.com?18:11
Alison_ChaikenI gather that MXR is similar to cscope, but am not sure.18:11
JaffaMXR is a cross-reference tool, orgiinally developed by Mozilla18:11
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JaffaShows source code in a web browser allowing links to navigate between them18:11
Alison_ChaikenSo Jaffa, instead of using cscope in emacs I can use MXR in Firefox?   They are equivalent?18:12
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Stskeeps|holidayAlison_Chaiken: mxr is like for multiple sources i think18:12
JaffaAlison_Chaiken: Dunno - years since I used emacs. But, I think so18:12
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JaffaAlso, as Stskeeps|holiday says, it can work across very wide codebases18:13
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Alison_ChaikenAh Stskeeps, you mean that cscope is limited to local files, while MXR also looks are remote repos?   That sounds useful.18:13
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lcukAlison_Chaiken, the mxr repositories contain whole source repositories18:13
lcukyou can just use it from any browser18:13
Alison_ChaikenJust trying to decide whether to get up early on Sunday morning . . .  long trip from my abode to SF, whine.18:14
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* Jaffa 's in AppUp Sunday morning18:15
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sergiusensdoes anyone know what package contains the debuggin symbols for pthread?18:21
Stskeeps|holidayglibc-debuinfo?18:21
Stskeeps|holidayBdebug18:21
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sergiusensthanks... was searching for pthread*-debuginfo18:23
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lcukAlison_Chaiken, if it is timeless giving the session, it might be worth getting up for! he is so animated in RL!!! :P18:27
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naquadhi18:34
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lcukdoes anyone know where I file bugs in the n900-de about peregrine, since bug 17524 was the first but not only one18:34
naquadhow do i download sources of this package https://build.meego.com/package/show?package=chromium&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss from build serve?18:34
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17524 nor, Undecided, ---, james.ausmus, RESO INVALID, [N900 DE] Peregrine QML UI does not have "Pan to desktop"18:34
naquad*server18:34
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andre__lcuk, yes18:47
andre__let me comment18:47
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lcukthanks andre__18:49
chem|stDawnFoster: wrong approach to have the facebook group not up to date... who is "owner" of the group? could setup twitter to make use of it18:49
andre__lcuk, done18:49
andre__URL is also listed on http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/UpstreamBugTrackers18:49
DawnFosterchem|st: some people are updating it (just not me)18:49
DawnFosterchem|st: the LF is working to get this sorted out18:50
chem|stDawnFoster: ok, I was wondering about the page name containing "open" but had no deeper look18:51
DawnFosterchem|st: my point was that the information is no different than what people can get via twitter and other channels - they aren't "missing" anything by not being on FB18:51
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chem|stif they listen to other channels yes18:51
Stskeeps|holidayandre__: i think we need to revise DE bugs after SF.. shouldnt clutter meego.com too much18:52
DawnFosterpeople are also squatting on other pages - the LF is working on it. the openmeego page is not the only one that is trying to appear to be the official page18:52
chem|stbut the FB userbase is one to point at for spreading the "word"18:52
gabrbeddDon't squat on my page, bro!18:52
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chem|stgabrbedd: that's like an invitation18:53
andre__Stskeeps|holiday, is it that much clutter actually? if so, where? :)18:53
npm <gabrbedd> mikhas_: That's typical for development.  I would expect that it's removed on release day.  If not, that's unforgivable. ==> on the netbook ux, doesn't /etc/init.d/vfirstboot run on first install, which prompts for user account/password and sets the root account to the same password (which is better than leaving it at 'meego')18:54
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* npm catches up18:55
gabrbeddnpm: Running an ssh server by default on a consumer device is a major bad.18:55
npmwell, not as bad as shipping a browser with no sandboxing18:55
npm:-)18:55
Jaffagabrbedd: What consumer device?18:55
npmtrue, it's a developer device18:55
gabrbeddJaffa: Isn't MeeGo for consumer devices?  The 1.2 distribution should not have ssh servers by default.18:56
npmwe dream of a mass distribution consumer device, this is true18:56
gabrbeddnpm: btw, I don't think tablet runs the 'firstboot' by default.18:56
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Jaffagabrbedd: What consumer gets a MeeGo image for their device from meego.com?18:56
Jaffagabrbedd: There are some nearly-consumer devices in some markets which ship images based off *packages* from build.meego.com.18:57
gabrbeddJaffa: OK.  How about this:  it's major bad for ANY LINUX DISTRO.18:57
gabrbedd:-)18:57
npmgabrbedd: well that might be the problem, but that's just points to a bigger problem that all the different UX'es and duplication and lack of patch-synch between them18:57
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Jaffagabrbedd: Oh yeah, it's a fail - but it's not like MeeGo 1.2 will appear as-is on any "proper" consumer devices; nor will any consumers download and use 1.2 images from meego.com18:58
npmif there was a "core" meego distro that was secure, and all the other "UX" inherited that security, it would be more sane18:58
npmbut for example there's version 8, 11, and 12 of chromium packaged in different ways in all the difft uxes18:58
npmall w/ varying levels of lack of patches off the latest security warnings18:59
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npmmeego needs more "all the wood behind one arrow" ... not that such mcnealyisms heped sunmicro19:00
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naquadhow do i download sources of this package https://build.meego.com/package/show?package=chromium&project=MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss from build server?19:00
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npmin addition to a public SSH there's also "631/tcp open  ipp     CUPS 1.4"19:01
chem|stssh server? first thing installed after first boot on any *linux I setup yet...19:01
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mikhas_chem|st, and you use "linux" as root password, I guess?19:03
npmif SSH is setup by default, it should be setup w/o root login capability, and private keys should be generated for access to any accounts. then the only thing they can do is buffer overflow sploits19:03
gabrbeddchem|st: Me, too.  But we're not talking about guys like you and me.19:03
chem|stmikhas_: no ssh for root and no port 22 for ssh...19:03
mikhas_chem|st, it's the default password root-login-enabled-by-default thing that's bad19:03
chem|stmikhas_: then make it not autostart or ask for a root passwd on first boot19:04
mikhas_I am sure MeeGo can do better than a typical Wireless router, wrt. default security19:04
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chem|sthaving a default passwd is bad not the ssh server19:05
mikhas_I like npm's idea more19:05
npmimho the vfirstboot thing should also ask whether ssh or CUPS should be setup and made public19:05
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chem|stand root login needs to be disabled by default19:05
mikhas_(ssh keys, no password)19:05
npmme too :-)19:05
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chem|stmikhas_: ...19:06
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chem|stnpm: the keys are on the other side not on the device19:06
npmactually the private key is on the device, the public key is on the other side19:07
chem|stso how do you automagically add them to authorized_keys?!19:07
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npmso you can gen a new private key for every account, and give a pointer to the id_rsa.pub file19:07
chem|st?19:08
gabrbeddSo... how is the ssh server getting in there?  Is it part of the "MeeGo Base Development" package?19:08
chem|stprivate and public key on the device are for outgoing connections relevant not incoming...19:08
npmi'm sure there's a right way to do it, but i just use 'ssh-add'19:08
gabrbedds/package/pattern/19:08
infobotgabrbedd meant: So... how is the ssh server getting in there?  Is it part of the "MeeGo Base Development" pattern?19:08
chem|stmy desktop does not know any of the keys on my netbook19:09
gabrbeddIf so, I think it's reasonable to expect that pattern to be removed when they release.19:09
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chem|stbut the netbook got the .pub from desktop to ssh desktop -> netbook not the other way round19:09
tmpsantosIt's just for me or the OBS command line client is so buggy that is nearly unusable?19:09
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Stskeeps|holidaytmpsantos: just you19:11
tmpsantosStskeeps|holiday: are you using the public obs too?19:11
* w00t_ has had various bugs with it19:12
Stskeeps|holidaytmpsantos: both19:12
tmpsantosconnection dropped all the time for me19:12
npmchem|st: if you want to login to host X, you add the .ssh/id_rsa.pub contents to host X's authorized_keys with an editor19:12
tmpsantosI had to try 6 times before successfully commit something19:12
tmpsantosand the webpage is utter slow :(19:12
npmand the client host needs .ssh/id_rsa (priv key)19:12
lbttmpsantos: pub obs?19:12
tmpsantoslbt: yes :-/19:13
npmand the permissions on them need to be exactly right or SSH won't let you in19:13
lbtslow? that's probably due to them making the releases today19:13
lbttmpsantos: we had 50x reports earlier ... seemed a transient error. I'll loo19:14
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npmthis is what happens when you get the permissions wrong: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1120419:15
tmpsantoslbt: thanks19:15
npmsince the bot is hung that's MeeGo Bug 11204 – "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissions, preventing passwordless login19:16
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MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 maj, High, 1.1.80.9, fboudra, NEW, "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissio19:16
npmi beat the bot!19:16
npmwinning!19:16
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CosmoHillhello people from nokia19:34
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Alison_ChaikenHello, CosmoHill19:44
CosmoHillhey Alison_Chaiken19:44
CosmoHillyou guys having network issues?19:45
Alison_ChaikenI know not.   I'm using Sonoma County's awesome sonic.net.19:45
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CosmoHilla lot of people with nokia hostmasks are coming and going19:45
CosmoHillthe people at uni in all the wisdom decided that one central server solution would be best19:46
CosmoHillcurrently most of the chelmsford campus is offline19:46
CosmoHillif we had one server per campus we'd be alright19:46
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npmwow somewhere i've actually been (chelmsford). i had the only kippers i ever liked for breakfast there :-)19:48
CosmoHillnpm: Chelmsford, England?19:49
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npmi guess HP isn't the only company in town :-/ (other than the film industry as i recall)19:50
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npmwell i doubt they'd be serving kippers in a fancy hotel HP put me up at in chelmsford texas19:51
CosmoHillI was thinking about chelmsford Ma19:51
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wmaronegoodness, people ask you questions and give you ~20 mins to respond before running off :/19:51
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CosmoHillnpm: wait, HP are in chelmsford?19:52
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npmthey were, a long time ago, or i was sent there for some reason19:53
CosmoHillwas it in the business complex behind the station?19:54
npmi wouldn't remember.19:54
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npmis that where you're from?19:54
CosmoHillyep19:55
CosmoHillI go to uni there19:55
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npmi guess y'all's been into this stuff for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelmsford#Marconi20:00
CosmoHillit's a nice looking building and my grandad worked there20:01
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CosmoHillrecently they gave the boardings a lick of paint20:01
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npmmaybe microsoft bought them too? :-)20:02
CosmoHillmarci went years and years ago20:02
CosmoHillyay it's raining20:03
CosmoHillnot seen rain this month :s20:03
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jonnyroCan anyone point me to documentation on rebuilding xorg under meego? I am trying to rebuild xorg to include xinerama support, so that I can use the nvidia driver.20:09
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jonnyroI have an Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit box set up to run the meego sdk20:10
Santerlj20:13
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Chinmayaiekku, ping20:15
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npmbrowser based qemu: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20063563-264.html?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks20:18
iekkuChinmaya, pong20:18
RST38hnot qemu. an interpreter.20:18
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CosmoHillberndhs: compiling the kernel if you're interested :)20:23
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Chinmayaiekku : moved to  a private chat20:24
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lcukjonnyro, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors#Tips_on_Compiling_and_Packaging_Kernels20:32
jonnyroThankyou :)20:32
lcukI know it is relating to kernel stuff, but it should give enough hints about xorg I hope20:33
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UmeaboyAnyone around?22:56
UmeaboyI'd like to know how I can boot Meego on my TV using multiboot.22:56
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lcukUmeaboy, ? model of the tv and what OS does it run currently?22:59
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Umeaboylcuk: LG 60PK550N & not sure, but LG's own.23:01
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verso i can't find any bug relating to http://pastebin.ca/2063402 on a quick search on the bug tracker, yet i find it difficult to believe it affects... only myself :)23:15
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verthis ends up relating to -enable-kvm not being a valid option to the build of qemu-gl provided which, when edited out of the madde.conf.d/ file, seems to alleviate the issue.23:28
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CosmoHillver: report it on bugs.meego.com23:29
CosmoHilleven if you're the only one23:29
Umeaboylcuk: Why so quiet?23:29
CosmoHillyou can always check the mailing list and forums for others23:29
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verCosmoHill, i assumed i'm simply doing it wrong.23:30
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gabrbeddUmeaboy: lcuk was just asking you the obvious next question... the basic info that someone would need to help you.  It doesn't mean that he knows the answer.  He also may be AFK.23:32
veroh good, registering for another account on a web app.23:32
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* CosmoHill put an ice bun to one side to nom after finishing his update, that was an hour ago23:32
gabrbeddUmeaboy: I personally don't know anyone fiddling with LG TV's... so you might be in uncharted territory.23:34
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lcukgabrbedd, correct on all points! :P23:38
lcukwell, apart from afk, I was browsing over there ^23:39
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verCosmoHill, it's for 1.1.  should i still report?23:40
CosmoHilltry 1.2 first if you can23:41
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verfrom git?23:41
gabrbeddlcuk: hahaha :-)23:41
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veri don't see a 1.2 release on the site for download, so ...23:42
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veror even a nightly.23:46
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veri don't even see a clean way to use git while i have all this stuff from the apt repo clogging up my system, so assuming i "switch" to using a git sdk/toolchain is there a wiki page detailing at least what i need to build from the repo for a working sdk?23:51
verto use git code*23:51
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