| lcuk | is it possible to get a pinetrail build of n900 de ? | 00:00 |
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| lbt | wooo .... I just did a Xen undead migration | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | lbt, playing fps games again? | 00:02 |
| lbt | kinda like a live migration ... suspend, copy suspend image to new host; restore... uptime still 40 days :) | 00:02 |
| lcuk | sweet | 00:03 |
| lbt | we're not using shared storage arrays - so it's kinda useful | 00:03 |
| lbt | it's not perfect though | 00:04 |
| lcuk | nothing ever is. | 00:04 |
| lbt | ~~. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | have you got easter eggs lbt? | 00:06 |
| lbt | ? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | we just had to get some extra chocolate eggs for the kids | 00:07 |
| lbt | oh, it's easter :) | 00:07 |
| lcuk | and got some for ourselves too :P | 00:07 |
| lbt | yeah, I kinda missed that | 00:07 |
| lbt | we made a coffee cake though ! | 00:08 |
| lbt | mmm | 00:08 |
| lcuk | coffee is for drinking! | 00:08 |
| lcuk | unlike bacon cake. | 00:08 |
| lbt | Lemon drizzle cake... | 00:08 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:09 |
| lcuk | tracy makes those sometimes :) | 00:09 |
| lbt | but nah, no easter eggs | 00:09 |
| lbt | I'm too snobby about chocolate ;) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | actually, combined with her new skill at cake decorating (she went to the museum for an evening earlier in the week) | 00:09 |
| lbt | don't like the engish milk choc | 00:09 |
| * lcuk finds the photo - they were yummy | 00:09 | |
| lcuk | http://twitpic.com/4n9c5n | 00:10 |
| lbt | wow | 00:10 |
| lbt | Denise likes | 00:11 |
| * lcuk waves @ Denise | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | \o | 00:11 |
| lcuk | the glittery ones are especially cool | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | where is this app? http://areacellphone.com/2010/06/whats-nokia-meego-keyboard-layouts-task-manager/ | 00:23 |
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| CosmoHill | you know the channel is +r, we need to put something about that on the website | 00:29 |
| GAN900 | Probably temporary | 00:29 |
| GAN900 | Freenode lets you know anyway | 00:29 |
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| Myrtti | it's not that difficult to register, you know | 00:41 |
| Myrtti | it's just like wikipedia is more anonymous when you've registered | 00:41 |
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| Myrtti | especially after you get a cloak | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | you say that but he's cocked it up | 00:53 |
| Myrtti | they're usually quite kind to give assistance in #freenode, if it is open for business | 00:55 |
| Myrtti | the main point is not to use mailinator or any other one-time-use email providers | 00:56 |
| Myrtti | it needs to be a valid email address, and after clicking the link in the email it should be fairly simple | 00:56 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, good result for you | 00:58 |
| CosmoHill | :3 | 00:58 |
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| xxtjaxx | /wc | 01:19 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:19 |
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| __key__ | wh00p | 02:34 |
| __key__ | what is meego? | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | __key__: http://www.meego.com/ | 02:34 |
| __key__ | ahh | 02:35 |
| __key__ | good domain | 02:35 |
| __key__ | it's an os for tv's ? | 02:35 |
| __key__ | and cars? | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | a Linux based operating system for appliances, handhelds, and embedded devices. | 02:36 |
| __key__ | wow | 02:36 |
| thiago | so tv, cars, netbooks, tablets, handhelds | 02:36 |
| __key__ | tv | 02:36 |
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| __key__ | cars | 02:36 |
| __key__ | maybe my microwave? | 02:37 |
| thiago | maybe | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | TRON has been more suited to microwaves..but maybe :) | 02:37 |
| __key__ | hmm | 02:37 |
| __key__ | alright | 02:37 |
| thiago | I talked to a manufacturer that was thinking of using it for a refrigerator | 02:37 |
| __key__ | i'm really just trolling | 02:37 |
| __key__ | later | 02:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | nicest troll i've ever met. | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | o_O | 02:38 |
| thiago | yeah | 02:38 |
| thiago | to the point that he wasn't... | 02:38 |
| w00t_ | this weekend just keeps getting weirder and weirder | 02:38 |
| w00t_ | jesus spam and nice trolls | 02:38 |
| w00t_ | :P | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | so did somebody open the eye of time, or what? | 02:39 |
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| * w00t_ blames easter | 02:39 | |
| w00t_ | sugar overload is probably making people hyperactive | 02:39 |
| Umeaboy | I forgot where the i10n or i18n is located for MeeGo. | 02:40 |
| Umeaboy | Can someone guide me? | 02:40 |
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| w00t_ | Umeaboy: isn't it transifex, or something? | 02:41 |
| w00t_ | thiago: ah, heading back to cooler climates, eh | 02:42 |
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| thiago | yes | 02:43 |
| Umeaboy | Found it. | 02:43 |
| w00t_ | thiago: enjoyed your break? | 02:43 |
| thiago | oh, yeah, a lot | 02:43 |
| Umeaboy | Uuuuuuuuuhm. Where's the Somalia-translations? | 02:44 |
| Umeaboy | I have a friend that may translate. | 02:44 |
| Umeaboy | Honestly. | 02:44 |
| w00t_ | Umeaboy: wiki.meego.com/Localization_team might be a good place to poke around, I don't honestly know details off the top of my head | 02:44 |
| * w00t_ is looking forward to his holiday in SF | 02:45 | |
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| Termana | morning | 10:47 |
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| lbt | morning | 11:42 |
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| dm8tbr | mood groaning | 11:50 |
| lbt | OK - by later today we'll have SR notices for meego-arm :) | 11:55 |
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| lbt | o/ phaeron | 12:36 |
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| phaeron | hey | 12:54 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 12:56 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 14:03 |
| lcuk | hello Venemo | 14:05 |
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| lbt | phaeron: so.. re-writing robogrator to be a bit more rational with events... usually just launch a process per event and use the upstream event naming | 14:36 |
| lbt | although I think some of them are naff | 14:37 |
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| giobooo | hi | 14:49 |
| giobooo | sorry for bothering... i would like to know something more about meego! does anyone know how battery life is compared to windows? do you have any suggestions? | 14:50 |
| lcuk | battery life on my ideapad is remarkable | 14:52 |
| lcuk | I have never had a laptop that lasts as long, and the screen is bright ad vibrant throughout :) | 14:52 |
| giobooo | thanks. im worried because a lot of linux distros have short battery life and to me is really important | 14:53 |
| lcuk | giobooo, I haven't put Windows on it to compare, since we got it at a MeeGo conference it is a meego machine. | 14:53 |
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| timakima | lcuk: what that means in hours in regular use? | 14:55 |
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| timakima | lcuk: meaning when you're not compiling all the time etc :) | 14:55 |
| giobooo | brb | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | timakima, I don't know actually, but for example I just took it out of my bag after going to a friends with it a few days ago | 14:58 |
| lcuk | and it is still powered | 14:58 |
| lcuk | just opening the lid now | 14:58 |
| lcuk | ahh practically on empty | 15:01 |
| lcuk | ask me tomorrow after it is charged, I will keep it powered up for the day ad see how well it does | 15:02 |
| timakima | ok, just interesting to know. my exopc tablet seems to die under couple of hours | 15:03 |
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| giobooo | i've read somewhere that the issue with linux based os are power managment of hd... i'm gonna test it today just to see how long will it last. im hoping at least 5 hours. under that there's no point in using any linux distro for me. last time i tried i also had some troubles with wireless card under meego | 15:15 |
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| I-C-Wiener | hmm, the WeTab is available for just 333 Euro now... | 15:15 |
| I-C-Wiener | does anyone here own such a device? | 15:15 |
| I-C-Wiener | I wonder whether it makes a nice dev platform for Qt applications on MeeGo | 15:16 |
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| alterego | I-C-Wiener: I hear it's pretty good. | 15:29 |
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| dm8tbr | I-C-Wiener: many people who attended the appup intel foo right after meego summit have such things. they are called exopc | 15:36 |
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| Venemo | hi lcuk :) | 15:40 |
| Venemo | what is the channel for feedback about MeeGo N900 Developer Edition? | 15:41 |
| lcuk | this one. :) | 15:44 |
| lcuk | as it is for feedback about all meego stuff | 15:44 |
| Venemo | very well | 15:44 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG told me how to install the N900 DE onto my eMMC, so that's what I did. | 15:45 |
| Venemo | I must say, it is extraordinarily snappy and smooth | 15:45 |
| Venemo | there are a few glitches though | 15:45 |
| lcuk | for sure | 15:45 |
| Venemo | for example, it started in offline mode, and I haven't found a way to exit the offline mode | 15:46 |
| lcuk | I keep wondering what it would take to run the maemo open media player on it | 15:46 |
| Venemo | it would only take porting mafw | 15:46 |
| Venemo | plus the open media player could use some code cleanup | 15:46 |
| lcuk | did you run your app on it yet? | 15:47 |
| Venemo | I haven't got to that yet | 15:47 |
| Venemo | I'm happy that the OS runs | 15:48 |
| lcuk | you gave instructions :) | 15:48 |
| lcuk | see if they work. | 15:48 |
| Venemo | right :) | 15:48 |
| * lcuk goes to the airport bbl | 15:48 | |
| Venemo | well for that, I'd need to have a working MeeGo chroot, which atm I don't have | 15:49 |
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| dm8tbr | yuck, let me state this here in the open: the wiki is in a really really sad shape when it comes to documenting the process of how to get a working SDK / development environment | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | and no, _I_ am not going to fix it because _I_ don't know the details. I was reading those pages because I do not know. | 15:55 |
| dm8tbr | plenty of dead links galore, information for 1.0 only... I could go on. | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | developer.meego.com , meego.com should be the authorative ones | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't disagree | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 15:59 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I was google-searching for how to convince madde to add those tablet-ux-ia32 targets etc. that led me to the wiki | 16:05 |
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| MohammadAG | <Venemo> plus the open media player could use some code cleanup <-- patches welcome, and pong :P | 17:18 |
| Venemo | sure :) | 17:21 |
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| Venemo | so, why is the MeeGo DE always in offline mode on my N900? | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: sim pin? | 18:16 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, yes | 18:16 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, I have a PIN, yes | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: sim pin? | 18:20 |
| * alterego has PAYG sim card for MeeGo testing | 18:21 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: that's why then | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: we are prolly including the pin query ui in next version | 18:22 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, that's good news then :) | 18:27 |
| Venemo | overall, the UX is very smooth | 18:28 |
| Venemo | I don't know how you could make it this snappy, but you have my congratulations for it :) | 18:28 |
| alterego | Venemo: the nice shiny vsync sgx drivers :P | 18:28 |
| Venemo | reall? | 18:29 |
| alterego | The hard floating point optimized compilation target | 18:29 |
| Venemo | I thought that the UX got some optimization | 18:29 |
| alterego | And the pretty well written MTF library. | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: we have to verify sgx runs at 110mhz too.. i suspect its only on 83mhz atm | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | so it can be faster | 18:30 |
| Venemo | is this the same SGX what Maemo runs? | 18:31 |
| RST38h | moo all | 18:31 |
| alterego | That flippin' Stskeeps just hijacked my tmo post :P | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: sgx is the hw component doing 3d | 18:31 |
| Venemo | I know, but does Maemo use the same driver? | 18:31 |
| alterego | No | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | we have significantly better drivers in meego. | 18:31 |
| alterego | Maemo has a much older driver | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, isn't their a way to do that directly with the modem? | 18:32 |
| alterego | Without vsync, that's why maemo apps tear a lot. | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | there* | 18:32 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: we don't have the pin API in ofono supporting the Nokia modem. | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: we do now, afaik | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: someone sent me a mail re ui | 18:32 |
| alterego | Oh, in which case you can probably do it with dbus-send :) | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | i didnt reply yet.. | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:33 |
| Venemo | so, how come that Maemo can be smooth with the older driver too? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: maemo is just older but doesnt have vsync | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | port 2.6.37 to maemo | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | heh, not gonna happen | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | bme will break | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | indeed :p | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, we can use MeeGo's bme :p | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | and modem stack and.. | 18:34 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, how can Maemo run equally as smooth on an older kernel and an older SGX driver? | 18:34 |
| alterego | Then you might as well use Cordia | 18:34 |
| Venemo | sure | 18:34 |
| Venemo | if only it compiled for ARM (or does it now?) | 18:34 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: and we would call that Mer | 18:34 |
| alterego | And make it run as you like Maemo to run (though hopefully better) | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: different operations. maemo only really uses 3d for composition, while meego uses it everywhere | 18:35 |
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| Venemo | mhmm | 18:35 |
| alterego | You need replacements of the closed apps though, to make it equivalent to MeeGo, though obviously you can use all of the MeeGo apps. | 18:35 |
| alterego | So ... | 18:35 |
| Venemo | mhm. | 18:35 |
| alterego | Why not just use MeeGo? :) | 18:35 |
| Venemo | Corsac, 'Mer' name is a bit bad omen isn't it? | 18:36 |
| Corsac | why? | 18:36 |
| Venemo | look at what happened to the previous Mer project | 18:37 |
| Corsac | I don't think it was a failure | 18:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | Mer wasn't a failure | 18:38 |
| Corsac | though that might depend on the expectations you hda | 18:38 |
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| Corsac | s/da/ad/ | 18:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | the lessons learned on it carried over to the N900 MeeGo adaptation | 18:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | didn't it, Stskeeps? ;) | 18:39 |
| alterego | I dunno, I see it as a bit of a failure when it doesn't actually even exist any more ;) | 18:39 |
| alterego | Wel,l maybe failure is wrong, it wasn't successful :P | 18:39 |
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| Venemo | alterego, they mean that they've learned from it. so it's not a failure | 18:46 |
| alterego | Yes, exactly. | 18:47 |
| Venemo | how can I shutdown in MeeGo DE? | 18:51 |
| Venemo | the shutdown button just locks the screen | 18:51 |
| teve | su; shutdown -h now | 18:51 |
| Venemo | lol | 18:51 |
| alterego | init 0 | 18:53 |
| alterego | poweroff | 18:53 |
| alterego | Whatever floats your boat :) | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | use poweroff | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | there is a difference | 18:55 |
| thp | ..or pop the battery / ssh into it + shutdown / ... | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | does dropping the device into water work? | 18:55 |
| thp | MohammadAG: just once. | 18:56 |
| alterego | Popping the battery out isn't a great idea either tbh :P | 18:56 |
| alterego | I've had had boot up locking caused by that. | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer was hardly a failure, we had our dreams and more fullfilled | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | with MeeGo | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | code wise, maybe, but technology was sound (OBS, cross compilation, image creation for arm, etc..) | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | if we get trademark complaints about DE, I'll suggest Mer | 19:00 |
| * lbt wakes up from a nice sunday afternoon snooze :) | 19:00 | |
| lbt | and .... look what the topic is ... hehe | 19:01 |
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| alterego | :) | 19:02 |
| thp | btw, what happened to the concept of "desktop" in the meego handset ux? it's just the wallpaper, and it becomes inaccessible once >= 1 window(s) are open | 19:02 |
| alterego | thp: That annoys me too :) | 19:03 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, lol | 19:04 |
| lbt | install fvwm? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | thp: not sure, meegotouch-home is a bit mysterious.. | 19:05 |
| thp | nah, i don't mean desktop as in x11 wm/de. more like homescreen/desktop/widgetcontainer stuff | 19:05 |
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| Venemo | Inoticed that you can't go back to the desktop from an app | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | thp: noone knows but 'meego' view is like tablet ux looks, nowadays | 19:06 |
| lbt | mmm the thing that appears when you touch the power button twice on the ExoPC? | 19:06 |
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| timeless_w7ip | dawnfoster: ping | 19:06 |
| thp | Stskeeps: so what's currently the handset ux is deprecated? | 19:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | anyone here going to meego conf familiar w/ the hotel accomodations? | 19:07 |
| * timeless_w7ip is wondering how many days people are checked in for | 19:07 | |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, are there any plans about incorporating intel's ux into the DE? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: we are still evaluating on the side.. there is a page and we have images for people to try | 19:08 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:09 |
| * w00t_ should go fix 3d context dropping properly | 19:09 | |
| Venemo | maybe I'll try it | 19:09 |
| w00t_ | I know how to do it now | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | the future is tablet ux, but timeframes make it difficult to change today | 19:09 |
| berndhs | i dont understand why gnome3 made a tablet ux for desktop | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | timeless_w7ip: I'm checked in for 5 | 19:10 |
| Jaffa | timeless_w7ip: But only 4 will be paid for. | 19:10 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_w7ip: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003946.html | 19:11 |
| Venemo | berndhs, gnome 3 is awesome | 19:11 |
| berndhs | the workflow is wrong for desktop | 19:11 |
| berndhs | it looks great sure | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Why is the future for a small screen a UX designed for a tablet? Because Apple made it work the other way round with iOS? (even though the apps needed changing) | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Or is it the pragmatic future because of the limited number of people investing in core MeeGo development, and Intel have more of a chance (albeit a slim one) with tablets over handsets? | 19:13 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: imho, because it's not based on obsolete technology, it's not just designed for a tablet (intel and others working on it are working on making whatever changes are needed for small screens - though tbh i've not noticed many places that need it), and it means more resources focussed in one place | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: my bad, its called meego ux, so read it in that context. given its components based it is very usable in many different scenarios | 19:16 |
| Venemo | berndhs, I've been using it for a month. the workflow is perfect | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | and its obvious its much better than handset ux, but still missing some pieces for proper handset usage | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | To play Devil's Advocate though, isn't this just *another* rewrite everything from scratch? Which means more delays, more developer confusion over what to target and be consistent with and _further_ delays to getting some mainstream products to marke | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: long story short: noone likes mtf | 19:20 |
| berndhs | Venemo: starting a new application is really slow, having to go to the top level and redistaply everything | 19:20 |
| berndhs | Venemo: thats approriate for small screens, not for big desktops | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: and qml enables much faster development and easier maintaining | 19:21 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: so, the developer story being qml, while not using it, _isn't_ creating developer confusion? :-) | 19:21 |
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| w00t_ | (let alone two different ux with completely different theming and appearance) | 19:22 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: Indeed; but wasn't this all entirely obvious over a year ago? | 19:22 |
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| w00t_ | nope, because a year ago, people still hadn't gotten their act together and promoted a coherent picture of wtf to use | 19:22 |
| w00t_ | (retarded as that may be) | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Yeah, QML's great. Unless you want all the nuances which actually make an app usable. Comparing CuteTube with CuteTube-QML, for example, shows how much an existing framework can give you | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: Well, obvious to anyone outside looking in? ;-) | 19:23 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: preaching to the choir.. | 19:23 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: :-/ | 19:23 |
| * w00t_ was unhappy about mtf back when it was called dui and got open sourced initially | 19:23 | |
| Jaffa | Anyway, time to cook the children's tea. | 19:24 |
| * Jaffa remembers | 19:24 | |
| * w00t_ goes to eat soup | 19:24 | |
| Venemo | berndhs, it works well for me :) | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, each to their own | 19:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Jaffa: "all the nuances that make an app usable?" | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | I like the concept and look of Gnome 3, but I hate full screen windows on a laptop/desktop | 19:25 |
| Venemo | you don't need to have any full screen windows | 19:25 |
| Venemo | I usually only have the browser fullscreen | 19:26 |
| berndhs | i start different applications quite frequently, its a pain with a tablet UX | 19:26 |
| * w00t_ just uses terminals a lot :-p | 19:27 | |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, i'm not in a room with UNIX geeks... | 19:28 |
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| TSCHAKeee | heh | 19:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | (for the record, I am one... longer than almost all of you put together...but unlike most in here, I don't expect everyone to be) :P | 19:28 |
| w00t_ | I never said I expect others to be one | 19:29 |
| w00t_ | I don't even like to be one all the time myself | 19:29 |
| berndhs | main thing i dont like about gnome3 is that its too bossy, tells you what you should want | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | those gnome guys hate our freedom | 19:30 |
| berndhs | common these days with designers | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | obviously | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | no matter what | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're going to piss SOMEBODY off | 19:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | some day we'll actually move beyond windows | 19:31 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and applications | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | and files | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | but... | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's just a hope. | 19:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 19:31 |
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| berndhs | its the same philosophy of thingss that "just work", except when they just don't | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: but that does not justify throwing the kitchen sink onto the UI | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: just to satisfy everybody | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: hate to tell ya bro | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: you are outside the 80% use case. | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | first 20 minutes of this video are applicable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE | 19:32 |
| berndhs | i dont want to be in the 80 % | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | what gnome and canonical are doing with their new interfaces is ineraction seduction as defined here | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: then gnome 3 isn't for you. go sit on a stump. | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | it's not actually good for anyone | 19:33 |
| berndhs | and the functionality for the rest was already there, why get rid of it | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | OH NOES, THINGS ARE CHANGING! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!! | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | watch the video | 19:33 |
| berndhs | im saying parts of the design are bad, that's all | 19:34 |
| berndhs | not that they are different, they are worse than they have to be | 19:34 |
| berndhs | and sorry, my opinion is as valid as that of the gnome designers | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | very true | 19:34 |
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| vonder | thanks for the vid - watching now | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | disclaimer: i didn't watch past the point where he starts talking about what he considers better | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | so it could be even worse :) | 19:42 |
| vonder | ;) | 19:42 |
| berndhs | oh some of it is really nice | 19:43 |
| vonder | I was thinking the other day on creating a better vocabulary for describing interfaces so creating and improving them can be more precise - or at least somewhat removed from the artsy rubbish that surrounds them some times | 19:44 |
| vonder | ala, gnome3 | 19:44 |
| berndhs | you mean remove the marketing from the technical description ? | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | TSCHAKeee: Just tiny little things like small blocks in the UI thread until an action completes so you know it's doing something | 19:45 |
| vonder | yes and no | 19:45 |
| vonder | I think both the marketing and technical miss the point sometimes | 19:46 |
| vonder | this dude in the vid seems to be hitting some good points though | 19:46 |
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| vonder | ... at about minute 29:30 there is an interesting feature each tab in a browser stacked on top of each for a single vertical scroll | 20:13 |
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| timeless_w7ip | jaffa: ok, 4 are paid, how much flexibility do we have? | 20:15 |
| timeless_w7ip | i think i booked for starting w/ friday because i couldn't get them to start w/ saturday.. | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | timeless_w7ip: Mine's Saturday - Thursday as part of my registration. bdub's finding out more about extra night rates etc. | 20:17 |
| Jaffa | timeless_w7ip: Since they're double rooms, they're likely to be (at least) double the rate being sponsored :-/ | 20:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Could they make the hotels more complicated? | 20:25 |
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| vonder | is that a rhetorical question? | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: got an issue this week? | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | vonder: yes? | 20:25 |
| vonder | ;) | 20:26 |
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| sd09jw | IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. sd09jw goutam__ goutam_ lcuk lynxis berndhs ivanich sampos citn xiambax swc|666 bugzy wazd Chrisite DocScrutinizer gaveen_ timeless_w7ip nslu2-log abhijeet radhermit thiagoss mikhas jpetersen toniher_casa Unmensch MostafaDaneshvar kraiskil | 21:03 |
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| timeless_w7ip | gan: you really don't want to know the answer to that | 21:03 |
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| tyi675546 | IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. tyi675546 stefanoP goutam__ goutam_ lcuk lynxis berndhs ivanich sampos citn xiambax swc|666 bugzy wazd Chrisite DocScrutinizer gaveen_ timeless_w7ip nslu2-log abhijeet radhermit thiagoss mikhas jpetersen toniher_casa Unmensch Mostafa | 21:04 |
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| hgktyu | IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. OdyX mankku dm8tbr tgall_foo zalbisser MauriceK Wolli loft306 wdouglas inz rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem|st chainsawbike jsharper vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed | 21:04 |
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| citn | are you serious? | 21:04 |
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| abhijeet | what is that | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kloeri: could you set up an an autoresponder? the text is always the same | 21:05 |
| abhijeet | what is happening in this channel guys.. | 21:05 |
| abhijeet | what moronic posts are these | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | spambot | 21:06 |
| kloeri | the spambots are already getting klined automatically | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | isn't that obvious? | 21:06 |
| abhijeet | why is it so?? | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | move on | 21:07 |
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| Myrtti | the trollbots are fueled by comments and discussion about them | 21:07 |
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| Venemo | not again... who may be responsible for this crusade against meego? | 21:17 |
| Venemo | envious android devs from google? | 21:18 |
| lbt | maybe it's a miraculous manifestation of electrons in the wires? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Darius is back. | 21:23 |
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| Myrtti | Venemo: if you assume that it's a crusade against MeeGo, you're really in need of an urgent wakeup | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | hint: it's not against MeeGo. | 21:27 |
| berndhs | its against IRC :) | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | on another subject | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | I wonder if tomorrows Tablet image is any better than last weeks | 21:28 |
| dm8tbr | it's kids with too much time over the weekend. now move on, move on, nothing to see! | 21:30 |
| RST38h | GAN:No shit??? | 21:32 |
| RST38h | GAN: Have they closed down the asylum because of the funds shortage or what? | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h: ha, no, just kidding. ;) | 21:33 |
| RST38h | He was more fun than the current crop though. | 21:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less 13-year-old-troll and more legitimately-disturbed-evil-genius. | 21:47 |
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| timeless_w7ip | someone needs to poke meego's openid stuff so that all possible variants of https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id work for logging in w/ openid.. | 23:23 |
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| timeless_w7ip | anyone here have trouble uploading the LF ods file to google docs? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | which file? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | evening by the way timeless_w7ip \o | 23:32 |
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| timeless_w7ip | open office is the *dumbest* app ever | 23:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | what idiot thought it would be a good idea to give users an error message about "document opened read only" | 23:43 |
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| Venemo | timeless_w7ip, it does even worse stuff than that | 23:56 |
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| berndhs | yeah but we have libreoffice now, and it will be all better | 23:59 |
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