IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-04-10

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gabrbeddCosmoHill: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonlounge/stringXKCD.jpg00:22
CosmoHillrofl00:23
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jonniis there any easy shortcut to make screenshot in Meego Netbook? like crtl-shift-something00:59
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CosmoHilldoesn't your netbook have a print screen button?00:59
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jonniah, yes, that works, didnt thing about it :)01:00
jonnithanks01:00
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CosmoHilljonni: I was worse, I was talking screen shots with my camera before I remembered the button01:08
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jonniheh, needed to make some shots for next fridays MeeGo Summit FI :)01:13
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CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2011/01/26/rhel-6-and-nvidia/ << last screen shot I took and put online01:22
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CosmoHillit's completely anonymous, apart from my username >.>01:23
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npmsomebody call the time-travelling trademark lawyers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego_%28TV_series%2908:00
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Qantouriscmeego has hit 1.0, does this mean it's ready for use ?08:45
Stskeepswe're getting to 1.2, but it's a platform, not a end-user product08:46
QantouriscStskeeps: i meant 1.0 hs been passed :)08:47
QantouriscStskeeps: what is the differnce between the platform and the end-user product ? (adding hardware drivers ?)08:48
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StskeepsQantourisc: means that a vendor usually productizes it to a point where there's hardware drivers, flash support, codecs and other stuff08:49
Qantourischmmm08:50
QantouriscSo you'r still buying a product from the phone vendors "as is" ?08:50
Stskeepsa user would probably buy/get a product that's based upon meego but not equal to meego08:51
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QantouriscStskeeps: and unable to drop a standard (be it with updated linux kernel) on it ?08:59
Stskeepsthat really depends on the vendor's setup of the device really - meego's very picky to only use upstreamed interfaces on platform side08:59
Qantourisc"upstreamed" ?09:00
Stskeepsyeah, main linux kernel :P09:00
Qantouriscaaa09:00
Qantouriscthats why i said "(be it with updated linux kernel)"09:00
Qantouriscinsterting there drivers and stuff09:00
Qantouriscunless ofcours they don't provide the source-code09:01
Qantouriscproblem is i tend to keep my phones LOOOONG :)09:01
Stskeepsthey have to, under the GPL :P09:01
QantouriscIf i can't upgrade them ...09:01
Stskeepswell, then choose a vendor that gives you that ability :)09:01
Stskeepschoose with your wallet09:01
QantouriscStskeeps: how did wallet get involved ?09:02
Qantourisccurrent phone is starting to break down :) So time for a new one, was concidering an iphone, but android is to java, and iPhone is to Apple-controlled-freak09:03
Qantourisci mean09:03
Qantouriscwas considering a smartphone, not an iphone09:03
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QantouriscPS how DOES meego do with the fact it's not running java (but a X11) instead? Or didn't this affect battery life-time ?09:04
Stskeepsin the past you'd say java was using more battery :P09:04
Stskeepsi mean, come on, x11 is from 1980 ;)09:05
Stskeepsnot the biggest power load09:05
TSCHAKeee1984.. X11 from 1987.09:05
QantouriscStskeeps: then what is ?09:05
QantouriscStskeeps: screen ?09:05
StskeepsQantourisc: screen, wlan09:05
Stskeepslack of power management in kernel09:05
* TSCHAKeee used X version 10 on an HP workstation09:05
Qantouriscand heavy application if you run those :)09:05
QantouriscStskeeps: ouch ...09:05
Stskeepseither way, meego's moving towards wayland09:06
TSCHAKeeethank god09:06
Qantouriscsounds good if i can run X11 (iirc it could right) ?09:06
QantouriscBut wayland doesn't support <intert window manager here> yet on desktop :)09:07
Stskeepsof course, the concept is totally different09:07
TSCHAKeeewho..the fuck...cares? ;)09:07
Qantourisci DO09:07
QantouriscI love my window manager :)09:07
Stskeepsbut for mobile devices and actually fixing the crap of the past, wayland is the way to go :P09:07
TSCHAKeeeonly a geek loves his window manager09:07
QantouriscThen you haven't used a good window manager yet :p09:07
QantouriscStskeeps: indeed09:07
Qantouriscwatching a video online ... dam that looks slow ...09:08
TSCHAKeeeQantourisc: I  was using X before you got out of diapers, son. ;)09:08
Qantourisc(meego looks slow)09:08
TSCHAKeee(i'm not starting an argument, just making a friendly jab)09:08
StskeepsQantourisc: many different videos out there09:08
QantouriscTSCHAKeee: hehe :)09:09
QantouriscStskeeps: yea going to look for a second one :)09:09
Stskeepswhich one did you find, out of curiousity?09:09
QantouriscTSCHAKeee: seriously though, i find a good window manager important :)09:09
TSCHAKeeeand I am SO glad that Wayland exists09:09
TSCHAKeeebecause I work on a project that will require it eventually09:09
Qantourischttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHC_rFJJLGQ09:09
TSCHAKeeeas the issue of using X, and a window manager, and a compositor09:09
QantouriscI'm also happy about wayland09:09
Qantouriscverry happy09:09
TSCHAKeeehas literally caused video output for us to tear09:09
TSCHAKeeebecause of the lag from the triple buffering occurring09:10
TSCHAKeeebetween mapping in the window manager09:10
TSCHAKeeeinteractions with the compositor09:10
TSCHAKeeeetc.09:10
Qantouriscstill i need a good tiling window manager before i can ever switch :09:10
Qantourisc:)09:10
TSCHAKeeeand it is not frame synchronized09:10
QantouriscX11 sure has it's issue, and this window manager is suspectible to it :/09:12
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QantouriscSo how far is meego 1.1 ? (in terms of can be used)09:17
* TSCHAKeee uses MeeGo Netbook every damned day, literally09:17
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QantouriscTSCHAKeee: netbook, i was talking phones actuall09:18
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dm8tbr1.1 was never intended to be very usable09:18
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Qantourisc"ow" ok09:18
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dm8tbr1.2 will be. at least if you install the n900 DE09:19
QantouriscPS anyone tried to drop on a standard linux app on it ? :)09:19
QantouriscDE ?09:19
dm8tbrdeveloper edition09:19
Qantourisca09:19
timophdefine "standard linux app"09:19
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timoph:)09:19
Qantourisci.e.: rdesktop09:19
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Stskeepsxteerm!09:20
dm8tbrthat was already working with code drop 1.009:20
Qantouriscdm8tbr: nice09:20
Qantouriscxterm + ssh ?09:21
Qantouriscor other term09:21
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Stskeepsthere, my trip to tampere fully organised09:23
timophcool09:23
timophQantourisc: both there09:23
QantouriscFancy, also going to assume imap works ?09:23
QantouriscAnd an iCall based app ...09:24
Qantouriscthat's all i need to be able to plugin the phone to a envirement using standards09:24
Qantourisc(preferibly with ability to pull and push from online location the .ical files)09:24
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CosmoHilldamn hayfever12:20
alteregoAww, I seem to be okay so far.12:21
alteregoThink last year was just a freak thing of me.12:21
CosmoHillI normally don't have it until later in the year12:22
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alteregoYeah12:24
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momesanaHi13:21
momesanaI am trying to insall MeeGo on a Webtab and ran into some issues13:21
momesanaThe system boots to a certain stage and then complains that it can't find the root fileystem and wants me to create a symlink to /dev/root13:22
momesanawhat am I supposed to do? Connect a second usb drive with a linux filesystem (ext3 or something like that) and then symlink the device node to /dev/root ?13:23
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CosmoHill~seen vgrade14:16
infobotvgrade <~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 13h 28m 57s ago, saying: 'TSCHAKeee, has there been any EMGD updates posted on meego-commits? we could try raising a bug report and see where that goes'.14:16
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alteregohttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9451405.stm14:51
alterego"Web enabled TVs are the new battleground" :)14:51
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ali1234DO NOT WANT14:55
CosmoHillI don't like some things going online14:56
CosmoHillI wasn't very happy when a blu-ray we watched made us wait for it to download an advert off the internet14:56
alteregoI want everything online, in the way that I want all my devices to integrate.14:56
ali1234yeah well good luck with that14:57
CosmoHilldoesn't that create a single point of failure / entry?14:57
ali1234because the people who make the devices are only interested in integrating with adverts14:57
CosmoHillooo, I hope there will be an adblock for internet TV :)14:58
CosmoHillthanks to adblock I forget there are adverts online14:58
ali1234not a chance14:58
alteregoHeh14:58
alteregoIf it's meego I bet we could do something ;)14:58
ali1234nope14:58
alteregoWhen I say integration I mean things like, uPnP for media sharing.14:58
CosmoHillfine, I'll just have to create a private proxy server to filter it for me14:58
ali1234anythign involving TV will have enough DRM to totally prevent it14:58
CosmoHillour TV can share videos and stuff with our computers14:59
CosmoHillbut the PS3 connected to it has wifi and does a much better / faster job14:59
ali1234they'll find a way to stop that14:59
ali1234unless you pay $20/month to unlock that feature14:59
* alterego downloads some tablet images to create an SDK15:00
CosmoHillyou know services like demand five that stop the video at 5, 15 and 30 mins to show you an advert, not with adblock :)15:01
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alteregoYeah, I doubt you'd be able to filter those out.15:02
CosmoHillhmmm, just thinking, if you don't have any packages sky will want money for your sky+ box to work as a sky+ box15:02
alteregoBut so what, if it subsidises your service I don't think adverts are too bad.15:02
alteregoI always mute them anyway.15:02
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ali1234i don't care about adverts15:03
ali1234it's the user profiling that i don't like15:03
alteregoYeah,15:03
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alteregoIt can feel somewhat invasive, and in a a lot of cases it is quite invasive :)15:04
CosmoHillhmm, I kinda wondered what happens to user profilling if you have a friend over15:04
ali1234it's not just invasive, it's also destroying culture15:04
alteregoHah, that's a bit melodramatic no?15:04
ali1234when everyone has their own custom TV channel where they can watch whatever they want 24 hours a day15:04
ali1234basically everyone is living intheir own private world15:04
ali1234this is bad15:04
TermanaMy mother pauses pay tv for 30 minutes before sitting down to watch it so she can skip the ads.15:05
CosmoHillyou mean like how the current generation will be social retards because of facebook?15:05
TermanaAnd if you accidently put it back to live tv, you will be beheaded15:05
Termanaaccidentally*15:05
ali1234CosmoHill: not really, it's more like...15:06
ali1234people who watch fox news and no other news, and think fox news is completely accurate15:06
CosmoHillTermana: on our sky box, you can record something, sit down at any point whilst it's still on and rewird to the start of the program15:06
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CosmoHilleven if it;s on a different channel15:06
ali1234except in the future, everyone will have their own 24 hour news channel that tells them only what they want to hear, and it will be unique for each person15:06
alteregos/person/america/15:06
alteregoYou're right, but I don't see that actually changing anything.15:07
TermanaCosmoHill, yeah, she can do that to, I think she just likes playing with the buttons15:07
alteregoFor example, some sad women that reads a lot of lady gossip mags isn't going to be interested in the middle east.15:07
alteregoSo what's the difference? She probably doesn't watch the news or ever has.15:08
alteregoMe, I like reading and watching the news.15:08
alteregoAnd I'll continue to do it.15:08
Termanaali1234, what if I said I like Fox News?15:08
Termana:p15:08
ali1234Termana: liking it isnt the same as believing it15:08
alteregoAnd if _my_ news channel is filtering out gossip and entertainment news, thank god :)15:08
momesanaanybody here who successfully installed MeeGo for Tablets on WeTab?15:09
ali1234thing is that with these "suggested content" things i don't get the choice15:09
ali1234i get what the machine feeds me15:09
alteregoLazy people will continue to be lazy, for others' I think tailoured content may actually improve their lives. Like spending less time looking for that episode of west wing that was on last week or whatever.15:10
ali1234based on what it thinks about me as a person15:10
alteregoI do however believe all systems that do user profiling should have an opt-out/switch-off button15:10
ali1234so in the future i won't even get the choice of watching fox, because i'm not a right wing nutcase (i'm a left wing nutcase)15:10
TermanaAustralian news is all junk and... Australian. The only other news channel I get is basically Fox News, so I watch Fox and Friends. It's a lot better, so that's probably saying something about Australian News.15:10
alteregoAnd it looks like things are going that way anyway, at least in the EU, where sites will now have to have an opt-out for browser tracking.15:10
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alteregoAnd this is pretty much the same thing, it's all "online" content isn't it really.15:11
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ali1234if i go on youtube front page i get that "suggested videos" stuff, there's no way to override what it thinks i like except with subscriptions which are totally different15:12
alteregoali1234: there's no point in trying to hide your animal porn fetish we all know about it already :P15:13
Termana:p15:13
alteregoeach-to-their-own .. :D15:13
ali1234thing is, i'd rather have a shared experience by... seeing the same view of youtube as everyone else sees15:13
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ali1234i think that is what is missing from all these social sites15:14
alteregoali1234: yes, it is annoying, say, if you see something and say to a friend: "Look at hte front page of youtube" but it's not there for them.15:14
ali1234if it looks different for everyone who visits, it's not really social at all15:14
Termanaali1234, you need to sign out and stop hogging all the cookies15:14
alteregoThat is annoying,15:14
alteregoI suppose linkedin is slightly more consistent in that regard.15:14
ali1234if you go back to the 90s... TV was all about "watercooler moments" - and that only happens when everyone watches the same shows15:15
ali1234now everyone's like "what did you watch last night" "oh some show i downloaded" "oh, i never heard of it" "lol"15:16
ali1234which sucks15:16
Termanaali1234, man have you seen Watson? We're all being replaced by robots anyway, that's the real 2012!15:16
Termana:p15:16
ali1234no, i never heard of it15:16
ali1234lol15:17
alteregoHeh15:17
Termanalol :P15:17
alteregoI dunno, the social dynamic has changed, "Have you watched this TV show, or this film, no? Oh you really should, it's right up your street. Or it's rubbish, don't bother :D"15:17
alteregoSo that is actually kind of useful really ..15:17
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alteregoMy "water cooler" moments are still as interesting.15:18
Termanaalterego, you don't actually have a water cooler though do you?15:18
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TermanaIt's ok to admit it dude, I have one too15:18
Termana:p15:18
alterego:)15:19
alteregoI have a tap15:19
alteregoAs I'm a indie consultant now I don't have a water cooler, or indeed anyone to talk to around it if I did :P15:19
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alteregoMy water cooler is now "The Pub" :D15:20
Termanaheh :p15:20
alteregoThough that hasn't realy ever changed even when I was working in an office ^.^15:20
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Termanaalterego, your doing IT consultanting I assume?15:21
alteregoYeah,15:21
Termanaconsulting*15:21
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alteregoweb sites, web apps and adhoc solutions.15:22
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Termanaalterego, it's ok, I was just making sure you had not gone to the dark side. IP Law consulting15:23
Termana:p15:23
alteregowoof15:23
alteregoI don't even know enough about that :P15:23
alteregoI'm sure I'm infringing patents on a day-to-day basis15:23
alteregoLuckily I live in the EU I guess :D15:24
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alteregoLoving this weather15:25
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CosmoHillmy netgear router sucks so much I almost tried to vacuum my room with it15:25
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alteregoHah15:25
alteregoDoes the exo have fan assisted cooling?15:25
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Termana_darn internet15:27
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CosmoHillTermana: I concur15:27
CosmoHill/ swear at netgear15:27
alterego12 mins I should hopefully have a tablet vm and qt creator integration :)15:28
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alteregoWant to do some prelim prototype of Columbus v2 Qml ui15:28
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RST38halterego: finally added a map? =)15:31
alteregoRST38h: that is a v2 feature :P15:32
alteregoI still haven't finished v1 yet :D15:32
RST38hyooohooo15:32
alteregoJust fancied a little play15:32
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alteregoI have an "open location in google maps" plugin though :D15:33
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alteregoot: is safari rendering pretty much the same as webkit?15:35
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alteregoVenemo: welcome back :)15:37
Venemohey alterego :)15:38
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CosmoHillit's the 10th of april and I'm already on hayfever pills :(15:53
alteregoHeh15:53
alteregoWhere abouts are you?15:53
CosmoHillI swear last year I got to mid may15:53
CosmoHillessex, uk15:54
CosmoHillwhat sucks is that I started noticing it yesterday but the last 20 mins it's really hit my hard15:54
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alteregoHarsh, yeah, last year was pretty crazy for me (in Cambridge)15:56
dm8tbrCosmoHill: come to finland. here stuff starts waaay later, you can go back to UK when it starts here :)15:56
alteregoNothing yet though this year, never really used to be a sufferer either.15:56
berndhsmy allergies are a lot less when I wear contact lenses15:56
CosmoHillI tried contacts when I was younger15:56
CosmoHill"this is the closest we have to your perscription"15:57
CosmoHillif I ever wanna know what it's like to be stonned I just had to tilt my head a blink a few times and the world turns into a blur of colours15:57
berndhsyeah can be a problem15:57
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berndhsi get dizzy when i wear glasses now15:58
CosmoHill(my contact lens were weighted)15:58
berndhsmy eyes are different from each other, so different distortion with glasses15:58
berndhstakes an hour for my brain to adjust15:59
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lbtX-Fade: ping16:00
CosmoHillbtw, if you do get hayfever and it feels like a load of snot is in your nose / throat, have a fizzy drink, it really helps16:00
alteregoThank god for rsync16:00
CosmoHillthat's what she said16:00
alteregoWell, she speaks the truth16:01
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alteregoHurp, the tablet ux doesn't boot under vbox :(16:31
CosmoHillI think my hayfever pill has fully kicked in now16:34
CosmoHillI'm gonna sit in the garden and mock the flowers16:34
alteregoHahah16:35
RST38hCosmo:Sounds like you are not using the right pill16:35
CosmoHilleither way nobody can get me pregnant tonight16:36
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alteregoAnyone had any luck running tablet ux under qemu/kvm or virtualbox?18:02
alteregoMy isos boot but complain about lack of framebuffer device.18:02
RST38hYou need Stskeeps.18:02
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alteregoStskeeps: ping ^ @D18:02
RST38hAnd probably a specific Intel video controller18:02
alteregoURgh18:03
alteregoI've got nVidia :P18:03
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RST38hMight be a problem. Dunno. You are running the x86 image, right?18:03
alteregoYeah18:03
RST38hThere is an N900 version nowadays, you may have more luck with it18:04
alteregoYeah, have that running, I'd prefer a full tablet UX running on my development machine at the moment so I can mess with larger screen estate.18:04
RST38hBuy an x86 netbook! =)18:05
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alteregoI have one, but my gf stole it :(18:05
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alteregoI think meego could benifit from something similar to my current semantic research in UI stuff for context menus.18:35
alteregoI was watching a youtube video from mwc and someone was asking if they could share content directly from a panel, but the handler had to open the images ui to do it.18:36
alteregoSort of makes sense to have context menus more consistent for things like images etc ..18:36
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berndhsalterego: you want to send complex data between applications ?18:38
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berndhsalterego: or rather, you want to have an organized way to do that ?18:39
alteregoberndhs: no, I'm working on a system for an app of mine, that has a "type repository" which allows your view logic to expose general actions depending on object instance type.18:39
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berndhsalterego: better MME typing stuff ?18:40
alteregoSo it sees a geo location in a list and says: "okay the user can do this, populate menu with these actions"n18:40
berndhsMIME even18:40
alteregoNot mime no, though that obviously has some weight. This is application level.18:40
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alteregoIf it was utilised across ux you could click on a contact from the facebook feed and it'd allow you to initiate im, make a call etc.18:41
berndhsoh, action-types attached to data types18:41
alteregoExactly.18:41
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berndhsand then an app provides its own implementation of the action types18:42
alteregoI'm actually implementing it as a way for app plugins to add context menu items in my app18:42
alteregoWell in my app the "action" is a label and a pointer to a callable function, where you pass in an instance of the data/class that the menu was built for18:43
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alteregoAnd the type repository is basically a hash/dictionary of type names to a list of action objects18:44
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berndhsyes i see18:45
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alteregoI plan on extending it to handle view profiles like "list", "singular" and "table" or some such.18:45
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alteregoberndhs: so what do you think, good idea, bad idea? :)18:49
alteregoI was talking to you a while ago about next gen UXs wasn't I? :)18:49
berndhsI think it can help to ensure that apps fit in more completely18:49
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berndhsnot just in style, but in completeness of interface18:50
alteregoYeah18:50
berndhsI think that is where this is going18:50
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berndhsi've been thinking about some other aspects18:51
alteregoWell, if you've got time I'm happy to hear them :)18:52
berndhsdivision of data models and presentation is one18:52
berndhsand another is a "distance" measure between functions18:52
berndhslike, how many user interactions between app function send-document and adjust-settings18:52
alteregoLike UX profiling?18:53
alteregoI was thinking of writing a http log analyser to do that for some of my web applications actually :)18:53
berndhssort of, I want a more formal way do describe these things18:53
berndhshave to write this stuff down somewhere18:54
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berndhsother silly things, like how many elements a user can tell apart18:54
berndhswhere the answer is 5 :)18:54
alteregoOh you mean from visual recognition18:54
berndhsbecause visually, 6 = many18:55
alteregoLike how good the brain is at recognising differences from first glance?18:55
berndhsno just how many items18:55
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berndhsif its more than 5, the brain starts chunking them into groups18:55
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berndhsdoesn't matter how smart the person is18:55
alteregoI wonder if fish eye list views would improve that.18:56
berndhshmm maybe18:56
alteregoBut with the current high resolution of displays, lists do tend to show a lot of information in one viewport.18:56
berndhsyou mean like showing the middle 3 big and clear, and the rest small and fuzzy ?18:57
alteregoBut a lot of people hate wasted space, so :D18:57
alteregoYeah just like that18:57
alteregoOr zooming in the center/current ones18:57
berndhsi think thats a gradual way of limiting the number18:57
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berndhsthe 5 is serious, I didn't just make that up18:58
alteregoI don't doubt it :)18:58
berndhsand I think it ties into the "distance" concept18:58
berndhsbecause with more than 5 and the brain doing chunking to sub-groups, you effectively add another stop18:59
berndhss/stop/step/18:59
infobotberndhs meant: because with more than 5 and the brain doing chunking to sub-groups, you effectively add another step18:59
alteregoYeah18:59
alteregoI think more than 3 steps and I get bored :)19:00
berndhsso instead of see-list + hit-choice, you have see-list + chunk-list + hit-choice19:00
berndhsand yes, more than 3 steps and people forget whey they started doing it19:00
berndhss/whey/why19:00
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alteregoRight, lets see if this image works in virtualbox19:02
berndhsi ahven't tried tablet in a while19:02
alteregoI really want to get into it :)19:03
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berndhstablet is interesting as a cross between phone and netbook19:03
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alteregoI'm interested to see how much life is in netbooks.19:04
alteregoI'm wondering whether tablet will be more popular.19:04
berndhsjust need a nice marketing name for that19:04
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alteregoI also like the panel idea for TV19:04
alteregoWell, look at that :)19:04
alteregoIt worked :D19:04
berndhscool19:04
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alteregoframerate is appalling :D19:05
alteregoI'm gonna see if it's any better in qemu/kvm19:05
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TSCHAKeeealterego: we took a very different approach, and made everything overlay as subtle as possible, in LinuxMCE... atop the media...being as out of the way as possible... we just didn't have very good artists :(19:06
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alterego:)19:06
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berndhsUX needs a collaboration of engineering, visual arts, and cognitive science19:09
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RST38hNeeds common sense and restraint, first of all19:10
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RST38hAfter all, Google UIs seemed to be doing very well without any of the above, for a long while =)19:11
alteregoHeh19:11
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berndhswell, you can also do marketing instead19:14
alteregoI might stick this on a usb disk and shove it on a netbook to play19:18
berndhsi still dont get the difference between a laptop and a netbook19:19
alteregoWell, works better in vbox, still pretty aweful though :D19:19
alteregoThis is very poor performance.19:20
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RST38hberndhs: NETBOOK = slow, Atom-based cheap crap whose only claimto fame is being cute and tiny19:21
berndhsah19:22
RST38hberndhs: LAPTOP = something with a real x86 (or AMD) CPU capable of real work, but also very hot and more expensive19:22
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RST38hNot necessarily heavier though19:22
alteregoMostly form factor and power yeah19:22
RST38hor larger19:22
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* RST38h has got a laptop that is smaller than some netbooks19:22
alteregoN900? :P19:23
berndhsso if you're a big person, the size and weight are less important :)19:23
RST38hNo, a Portege19:23
user_hey all..has meego got a build-in updater?19:23
alteregoAnnoying meego tablet doesn't see the cd ..19:23
RST38hberndhs: my experience shows that both are important19:23
alteregouser, it has built in manual package management ... :D19:24
user_alterego: would that mean that it's possible after installing meego de 1.99 on my n900 i could use the package management to sort of rolling upgrade through a certain repo?19:26
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alteregoIn theory19:26
alteregoNot sure how well it actually works though19:26
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alteregoYou should be able to set the repo to use "latest" and do whatever zypper commands cause it to update/upgrade packages.19:27
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alteregoWhere's Stskeeps when you need him :)19:27
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user_cool..so then theres no need to download each build and flash it onto the device?19:28
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alteregoWell, like I said, it probably wont work :P19:28
alteregoBut it may be worth a try19:28
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alteregoCan't get the vbox additions to work :/20:33
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CosmoHillthe vbox addons aren't designed for meego20:53
CosmoHillyet....20:53
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* dm8tbr got them to work20:57
dm8tbrbut netbook freaked out with the vbox opengl :(20:57
dm8tbrhaven't tried with tablet20:58
alteregoOh, that's what I'm trying to get to work :P20:58
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Venemo~seen lcuk23:36
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infobotlcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 22h 41m 24s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'.23:36
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VenemoI hope lcuk is well and okay...23:37
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