IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2011-02-22

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gabrbedd"IBM announces Globus Toolkit for N900 clusters"00:00
CosmoHillthey're automatically named but I'm specifying the IP so that they have the same IP under both windows and linux00:01
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lcukCosmoHill, is that necessary?00:04
* lcuk has been trying to get rid of fixed IP for a while00:04
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CosmoHillthe linux nodes IP are static, all I'm doing is making sure they match up with the windows DHCP00:05
CosmoHillI think rocks stores the IP in it's dhcp table and on the node itself00:05
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CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/genglia.png00:13
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lcuknice CosmoHill00:14
lcukbut what do you computer on the cluster?00:14
lcukcompute * (damn muscle memory)00:14
CosmoHillnot gotten that far yet, I'll be comparing windows and linux computing nodes00:15
CosmoHillthe last cpu spike was me running my goldbach conjecture algorthim from the first semester00:15
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lcuknice00:16
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CosmoHilllook at the to power pictures in the directory, one is mid goldbach, the other is a min after00:20
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CosmoHillmy theory is correct tho, if you can use a kettle (on that power socket) you can use a cluster00:22
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lcuklol CosmoHill00:27
lcukbut will your cluster make a coffee00:28
CosmoHillphysically? no, it can give you a nice render will realistic fluids tho00:28
CosmoHillwith*00:28
lcukahh so you can use it for raytracing?00:29
* lcuk perks00:29
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CosmoHillanything that I can benchmark on windows and linux00:29
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lcukthat reminds me00:30
lcuksomeone asked for a liq* tool for benchmarking00:30
CosmoHillwasn't me but I'll have one00:30
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lcukwell I found out graphics are already topped outish00:31
Venemolcuk: are you still testing MeeGo images?00:31
lcukon n900 and ideapad they both get ~58fps for most tasks00:31
lcukVenemo, yes00:31
Venemolcuk: could you please gimme some info about how telephony works on N900?00:31
lcukyou speak into the mic bit and listen through whats known as the "earpiece"00:32
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vgrade1lcuk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJbWMsY3bE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTV-V-7Zo7Q00:32
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lcuknice vgrade100:35
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lcuk>> sleep00:36
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timelessanyone here want to hold my hand?01:26
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CosmoHillpoke?01:31
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berndhsthing to do is define your own rpm macros and declare it a standard01:36
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timelessyeah, i know01:37
timelessi need to convince rpm to use %{name} as part of %_sourcedir ,.. i think01:37
berndhsyou can't just do   _sourcedir: this%{name}that ?01:40
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timelessmaybe01:41
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berndhsor define a replacement for %_sourcedir01:41
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makulkarHi, quick question, is there a qmake macro for meego platform?01:58
makulkarcompile time macro which is provided by Qt qmake tool or even something I can hack in code?01:59
alteregomakulkar: what do you need it for?02:02
makulkaralterego, in webkit code i need to detect if its building for right platform and build some code02:03
alteregowhat code exactly?02:03
makulkaralterego, disable some rendering feature which doesnt really work well02:03
alteregoHrm,02:03
alteregoWell, at runtime there should be a /etc/meego-version or something similar.02:04
makulkarright now we have this, Q_WS_MAEMO_6 macro which is passed as command line while building webkit.02:04
alteregoAs long as it compiled I can't think of a better way to disable something like that.02:04
alteregoYeah02:04
alteregoUnfortunately there is nothing on MeeGo like that :(02:05
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alteregoActually, maybe check for QT_OPENGL_ES ?02:07
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alteregoThen you know your Qt is compiled against embedded code ..02:07
alterego(though this may not always be the case)02:07
javispedroQ_WS_MEEGO returns a few google hits ;)02:08
makulkaralterego, right! atleast not something that can get in to webkit code :)02:08
alteregojavispedro: it doesn't exist unfortunately.02:08
berndhscan't you define your own macro depending on what you're building for ?02:08
makulkarright.. mobility should be using it for some reason.. will search there02:08
alteregoAt least not with my compiler setup and I doubt with obs02:09
alteregoberndhs: yeah, your .spec file can tell qmake extra defines I guess.02:09
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berndhsit seems better to explicitly say "i'm disabling ThisFeature", rather than doing it throught a back door that doesnt explain why02:10
alteregomakulkar: actually most mobility stuff is just generic GNU/Linux02:11
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alteregoThere's some MAEMO_5 dependant stuff (I think) but with MeeGo no.02:12
alteregoI suppose you could also check for meego touch headers ^_^02:12
alteregobut that'll only be available for a few more releases I guess ^_^02:12
alteregoMy point being you're more interested in a MEEGO_HANDSET_ARM flag I'd imagine02:13
alteregoYou don't want to screw up code for netbook, ivi, or atom handhelds ...02:13
berndhsi would define my own macro RENDERING_FOO_IS_BROKEN, and then turn off code accordinly02:14
vgrade1alterego, hi, I can't make the sprint this week, as I have customers in at the day job.02:14
berndhsrather than saying its meego, because people will forget why stuff is turned off02:14
alteregovgrade1: :( I don't think I can make it either as I'm in Leicester today, tomorrow and wed, then london on thurs and fri :(02:15
makulkaralterego, right.. berndhs suggests the same thing as well, this makes more sense. Just send that extra flag while building qtwebkit02:15
vgrade1altergo, I'll ping an email to the guys, ps ds2 is a wind up02:15
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alteregovgrade1: okay, thanks.02:16
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timelessok, so that almost worked02:46
timelessexcept %{name} sucks, it has a version02:47
* timeless goes to hunt a better variable02:47
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CosmoHillwhat variable do you want?02:54
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timelessso, i've actually gotten the source side happy02:57
timelesswhat i want to influence is BUILD/Package-Version02:57
timelessso that it uses BUILD/Package instead02:57
CosmoHillthat would be something like BuildRoot02:58
timelessi don't think so..02:58
timelessso far BUILDROOT is totally empty02:58
timelessi'm only doing rpmbuild -bp02:58
CosmoHillah02:58
CosmoHill%_buildroot02:59
timelessit's not BUILD/ that i need to influence, it's the part after it02:59
CosmoHill%_builddir ?02:59
CosmoHillhttps://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-January/msg02015.html02:59
timelessi suspect buildsubdir02:59
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timelessnope :(03:00
timelesshrm, maybe i can't influence that one03:02
timelessok, let's assume i can't03:02
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* timeless wonders about the best way to build 1400 packages03:13
CosmoHillquickly?03:14
timelesswell, let's go with "efficiently"03:15
timelessassume i have say 5 cores available03:15
CosmoHillthe plan I have for my project is make one, make sure it works the way you expect03:15
timelessnote that build here is -bp03:15
CosmoHillthen deploy / make the others03:15
CosmoHillbuild prepair?03:15
timelessyeah, my one (ConsoleKit) "builds"03:15
timelessso i'm not particularly expecting failures03:16
CosmoHillgood luck with that, I'm off to bed03:16
CosmoHillcyas03:16
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berndhstimeless: before using more cores, check if you are spending CPU time or loading .h files03:18
timelessberndhs: this is only preps03:18
timelessnot actual builds03:19
* timeless settles on hrm, ~36 concurrent tasks03:20
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timeless 01:21:55 up 6 days, 23:58,  5 users,  load average: 916.30, 436.41, 169.6403:22
timelessok, that wasn't very nice of me :)03:22
berndhsdepends on who the other users are or if its just you 5 times :P03:23
timelessi sure hope it's just me03:23
timelessi suppose there might be an apache user03:23
* timeless should have used 'nice'03:24
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timeless /bin/tar: groff-1.18.1.4/doc/gnu.eps: Cannot utime: No such file or directory03:28
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* timeless wonders what kind of verb 'utime' is03:28
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timeless+ cd /data/mxr-data/repo.meego.com/BUILD03:32
timelesssh: %{__id_u}: not found03:32
* timeless wonders what that means03:32
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timelesshrm, i need to go shopping, i'm missing 'unzip' :(03:33
timelessoh, i bet 'cannot utime' means 'you don't have utime'03:33
berndhsutime is a system call I think, changes the time stamps on the file03:34
timelessyeah, but in context here, it either means <you are not root [true]> or <this app  i tried to run does not exist in PATH>03:34
timelessi'm hoping the latter03:34
berndhsso if the file is not there, it cant do it03:34
timeless /bin/tar: Mesa-7.9.1/src: Directory renamed before its status could be extracted03:34
berndhscould have something to do with it, that stuff moved or got renamed03:35
berndhstar or something made a list of files to deal with, and then they are gone03:35
timelesssh: ruby: not found03:35
* timeless sighs03:35
timelesswtf does something need ruby as part of -bp03:36
berndhsor unmounted03:36
timelesserror: Bad owner/group: /data/mxr-data/repo.meego.com/SOURCES/matchbox-window-mnager/matchbox-window-manager-1.2.tar.gz03:36
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timelessgrr03:41
timelessrenice isn't pamd (?) friendly03:41
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* timeless adds 'sed' to the shopping list03:42
timelessand doxygen?03:44
berndhscant live without doxygen these days03:44
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timelessfor buildprep?03:44
timelessthat seems odd03:44
berndhsis does yes, unless the docs are part of the distribution03:45
timeless 01:44:27 up 7 days, 21 min,  5 users,  load average: 9347.96, 8051.81, 4856.8203:45
berndhsi say nuke 'em, nuke 'em now03:46
timelessi'm not sure how03:46
berndhskill -9 ?03:46
* timeless should try killall -STOP -u timeless03:47
berndhsbut there are a log ot them i guess03:47
timelessnote that renice +15 -u timeless failed03:47
timelessit couldn't find timeless03:47
timeless /etc/passwd isn't actually driving this box, and i think renice (and probably others) rely on it03:48
berndhskill -9 `ps -u timeless | awk '{print $1}' `03:48
berndhsexcept that will kill itself too :)03:48
timelessit wouldn't03:49
timelesskill is being run as root03:49
berndhsah03:49
timelessi mean, it would to the extent that root is a sudo by timeless03:49
timelessbut..03:49
timelessi should do it using pts/n03:49
berndhsbut if you run as root off an su, it will kill its parent03:49
timelessbut i'm not sure what /n is here03:49
timelessCannot find user timeless03:49
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berndhsshutdown -r now03:50
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timeless ps aux|grep rpmbuild|awk '{print $1}'|xargs kill -STOP03:51
* timeless tries that03:51
berndhsshold get some of them03:51
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timelesshi marienz03:53
timelessoddly, the system is vaguely useful03:54
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timelesshrm, oh, and i need to ignore Prereq03:56
timeless /bin/tar: FUR-0.4.6/registry_utils.c: Cannot open: File exists03:56
* timeless chuckles03:56
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marienzbad router, spontaneously reboot less (preferably not at all)04:02
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timelessheh04:17
timelesswow, my vi request from probably an hour or two ago was completed04:18
gabrbeddsudo kill -9 vi # die! die!04:20
* gabrbedd knows it's not valid bash... but it makes good copy.04:21
berndhsmight be better off rebooting now :)04:21
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deashow do you feel the future of meego?04:27
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deas/04:30
deas\/04:30
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gabrbedddeas: channel is usually dead about this time.04:33
gabrbeddExcepth that NishanthMenon just showed up.  How awesome is that?04:33
gabrbedd:-)04:33
gabrbedddeas:04:33
NishanthMenongabrbedd, hi04:33
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gabrbedddeas: I think meego still has a bright future.  I think it's future on phones is more questionable.  However, Nokia *is* releasing one and it *will* preceed any WP7 phone.04:34
gabrbeddIntel is making one, too.04:34
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gabrbeddNishanthMenon: long time no see!04:35
NishanthMenongabrbedd, just hibernating ;)04:35
berndhsI say Elop will see the light after MeeGo phones embarrass N**** in the market :)04:35
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gabrbeddberndhs: Don't pretend that Microsoft is a joke.  They're not.  They'll kick our @$$3z if we don't have our A-game on.04:37
berndhsits just my guess, depends on what manufacturers offer04:38
berndhsif the phones are done better, Microsoft has no chance, their market dominance doesn't transfer to phones04:38
berndhsMicrosoft only benefits if the Nokia + WP7 phones are very good, and nobody knows that yet04:39
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gabrbeddWell, WP7 is shipping, MeeGo is not -- so they're already ahead.04:41
berndhsno, Nokia has zero WP7 phones right now04:41
gabrbeddAnyway, enough talk... I need to go work on MeeGo. :-)04:41
berndhsthey have to make them first04:41
berndhsyes, dont' slow down, there is no time to lose :)04:42
gabrbeddberndhs: Nokia has zero WP7 phones, true....04:42
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gabrbeddberndhs: But WP7 is shipping through other mfg's.04:42
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berndhssure, but the N+M phone has to be better, otherwise it won't help MS any, nor will it help N04:42
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gabrbeddNishanthMenon: You still working on the panda board?05:09
NishanthMenongabrbedd, on and off05:09
gabrbeddNishanthMenon: doing too much at once?05:10
NishanthMenongabrbedd, :) just another day ;) -> got shifted to project management recently, so I do try to code on the sly on weekends05:11
NishanthMenonbut usually that is mostly on my primary passion - the linux kernel05:11
NishanthMenonmostly sending patches on linux-omap now a days :(05:11
NishanthMenonwish I could get more time to do some distro hacking.. but that tends to become rarer now a days05:12
NishanthMenon:(05:12
gabrbeddNishanthMenon: Ugh!  PM == babysitting.  I hate it.05:12
NishanthMenongabrbedd, yeah - i hate it as well.. just that someone's gotta do the job..05:12
gabrbeddYeah, I know.05:13
gabrbedd:-)05:13
NishanthMenon:)05:13
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NishanthMenonbtw, on a different note, http://bitbar.com/blog/54/automated-ui-testing-android-applications-robotium -> something of this form for MeeGo might be nice as well05:14
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gabrbeddI thought I saw something like that for MeeGo...05:15
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michaelg|nokqtuitest? not sure if it's the whole solution05:17
gabrbeddI'm not sure if it was that.  I remember seeing a youtube video on it.05:20
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NishanthMenongabrbedd, that + some equivalent of monkey test of android http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/monkey.html05:33
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berndhsgood night folks05:54
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TSCHAKeeearrrrggghhhhh05:59
TSCHAKeeeOBS is broken05:59
TSCHAKeeehow the fuck am I supposed to...05:59
TSCHAKeeesigh, nevermind.05:59
TSCHAKeeeand you guys wonder why people never stick around..05:59
TSCHAKeeeOBS Web Interface Error:06:00
TSCHAKeeeError Details:06:00
TSCHAKeeeErrorcode: unknown06:00
TSCHAKeeeMessage: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http06:00
NishanthMenonTSCHAKeee, i've seen few hickups with OBS once in a while, usually when OBS crew does a maintenance. have'nt noticed any notification lately though. can you drop an email to meego-packaging ML for a quick check?06:04
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TSCHAKeeei'm not on that ML06:04
TSCHAKeeenor do I wish to be.06:04
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TSCHAKeeeI just want to develop my ($#@($#@ software06:04
NishanthMenonTSCHAKeee, :) yep.. so do we all ;)06:05
TSCHAKeeesince YOU know what to do, why don't YOU tell them? ;)06:05
* gabrbedd uses chroots instead of obs.06:05
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TSCHAKeeeI have a massive software project to take care of06:05
NishanthMenonTSCHAKeee, hoping you'd get an answer.. /me does'nt like to be middle man.06:06
NishanthMenonTSCHAKeee, ofcourse... most of us do the same thing :)06:06
NishanthMenonmeego-packaging@meego.com is the ML if you are interested06:06
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b00ancan anyone tried to install meego on hp dm1z?07:23
b00anwill it work on AMD fusion e-350?07:23
b00ananyone?07:25
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wmaronedoh07:28
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wazdMoaning all07:43
RST38hmoaning wazd07:45
wazdRst38h: o/07:45
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wazdRst38h: starting my day with blood donation :D07:48
RST38hwazd: ticks?07:48
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wazdRst38h: friend :)07:50
wazdRst38h: I'm the only one with AB- around :)07:51
gabrbeddvampire friend?07:51
wazdGabrbedd: sorta :) likes exotic food :)07:52
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RST38hwazd: Oh08:00
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timelessLoCusF: ping09:13
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* wazd 's dry :)09:32
timeless?09:32
* timeless needs a kick delivered :(09:32
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LoCusFtimeless: pong09:33
wazdTimeless: donated some blood09:33
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timelesshttp://mxr.meego.com/theme/images/meego-errors-charactor.png is cute fwiw09:35
wazdTimeless: ehehe, true :)09:36
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wazdTimeless: I'd rather use it for "program is not responding"09:37
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timelesswazd: in my case that was the actual cause of my error09:38
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wazdTimeless: :)09:39
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Stskeepsmorn david09:44
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* timeless wonders what the status of the meegon generator is09:50
* thiago_home needs one09:50
Stskeepshttp://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16584&postcount=7509:51
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timelesssupposedly there's a web version..09:53
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Termanamorning10:16
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warggm Termana10:27
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* timeless grumbles10:38
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timelesshttp://wiki.meego.com/Meegons#Creating_your_own is so misleading10:39
timelessit doesn't provide any pointer to existing meegon svg files10:39
timelessand just has links to generic inkscape tutorials10:39
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kallamtimeless: hopefully, you will fix that10:52
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timelessnot tiday10:52
timelesss/i/o/10:52
infobottimeless meant: not today10:52
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Bratfischanyone out there who can tell me how to test the swype keyboard in the MWC build of the tablet UX?12:31
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greg_Hello, Who could grant me access to meego OBS?12:59
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ali1234greg_: community or core?13:03
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greg_ali1234: community, I thing X-Fade is right person...13:04
ali1234yeah or lbt13:04
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greg_thanks13:04
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ali1234he's going to ask you what you want to do on it too13:05
ali1234it's only for open source stuff13:05
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MurmurORWhy is OBS access limited anyway? Is it a duallicensed free/commercial service?14:27
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leinirnotmart: you on the community list? Time to chime in on that flame fest about the tablet ux ;) Someone finally went devil's advocate, and well... time to point out that a set of community uxes has been in development for a while, but that intel threw their money at something else for some unexplored reason ;15:17
leinir;)15:17
notmartleinir: uh15:17
notmartnope, i'm not subscribed..15:17
notmartbut that is easy to fix :p15:18
trip901huh?15:20
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trip901leinir?15:21
leinirtrip901: yes? :)15:21
trip901ppl complaining about the tablet ux?15:22
leinirwell, it's not about the tablet ux itself, but rather the process of creating it :)15:22
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leinirthe whole walk-the-walk thing :)15:22
trip901hmm15:23
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trip901well, in fairness, all of thre ux were developed in house before they were opened15:24
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leinir*nods* This was also pointed out... which just makes this yet another example of someone not walking the walk :)15:24
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notmartlet's say this: ignoring what other communities were doing, and the desire to control the whole development is one of the reasons of the slowness of development, that in turn was one of the reasons nokia did what they did15:28
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notmartbut i won't add other because it's just adding bitterness at this point15:29
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trip901slowness in development i dont think applies here15:36
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leinirnotmart: i still think you should add to it... traditionally, kde has been way too much of a pushover... we can't keep doing this to ourselves :P15:36
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notmartleinir: eheh, true :)15:37
leinirIn fact, i'd suggest replying and adding a link to the video you mentioned when the tablet ux coming out, and it being somewhat reminiscent of something... ;)15:39
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trip901ooo link?15:40
leinirtrip901: if it isn't clear by now, we're of course talking about plasma-netbook, plasma-mobile and plasma-tablet here :)15:41
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trip901still, i like video15:43
trip901and im bored and cant sleep15:43
leinirDon't we all ;) i'm sure notmart is all over that :)15:43
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leinir*giggles and nods* Thanks! :) i could dig as well, but am working, and also expect notmart knows his archives better than me ;)15:44
notmarttrip901: ah, don't tell me about it, i'm insomniac as hell lately :p15:45
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notmartbasically this http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Converging_minds15:46
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leinirtrip901: So, put shortly - they could've put a bit of funding into getting notmart some help, in stead of reinventing the wheel :)15:52
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notmartleinir: the point isn't me, the point is that there was already a pretty good platform, based on qt, that will get literally years and yars to recreate15:54
leinirnotmart: Yes - just using you as a personification of a "victim" ;)15:55
notmartbut i'm not putting the blame to just one side, probably we also failed to communicate that most of it isn't about "desktop" at all15:55
notmartleinir: eheh:) (/me goes on the sacrifice altar)15:55
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leinirTrue, Plasma has, after the initial bout of people calling it vapourware, sort of retreated back behind the entrance to the irc channel, and rather than talking about it, just sort of did stuff... so yeah, maybe now's the time to open those doors back up and pointing out, to the larger world, what's actually happening :)15:56
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notmartso in the end ended up with one part that didn't get its message out, the other part that didn't want to really listen (we don't need your stinky dependencies)15:58
notmartbut as i said, not time to reciminate now ;)15:58
leinirWell, not recriminate, but point out that there is, in fact, a community effort :)15:58
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trip901interesting15:59
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leinirsleep well, trip901 :)16:00
notmarttrip901: eh, i wish you more luck on that than i had last night :p16:01
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velopeMeeGo16:04
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hirabayashitaroAfter reading this article http://maemo.org/community/council/state_of_maemo-q12011-1/ I was wondering how many things of maemo can be useful for meego. Anyone has an answer for this?16:19
hirabayashitaroAnd in particular, is the thing worth the effort on maemo?16:20
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smokunotmart, are you saying that developping behind closed doors is slower than the same development in the open?16:32
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notmartsmoku: well, when what is being developed in the open is based on something that is being developed since uhm, 13 years or so, and is completely ignored, what is being developed behind closed doors will find they have to reimplement much of this, and what could have seemed a work of some months becomes a work of years and years16:41
smokuassuming you can reuse previous work...16:43
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smokunotmart, my point is licensing.  if you own your code, you can license it however you want.  jumping someone elses wagon does not give you the luxury.16:48
berndhswell, there is licensing, and there is also control of direction and decisions16:49
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berndhsif you continue someone elses work, they still own it, and can decide what gets changed and what doesnt16:50
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timelessberndhs: you were right, i should have killed everything and rebooted :(16:58
berndhsthat's unfortunate16:58
* timeless wonders if any intel-meego people are around16:58
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timelessarg16:59
timelessand i can't actually get to there from here16:59
lcukwhats up timeless ?16:59
timelesslcuk: i need mxr.in rebooted16:59
lcuklong pointy stick?16:59
timelessi pushed the load well over 100016:59
lcukor is it transatlantic length required16:59
timelesstransatlantic16:59
lcukis it intel people you need, or LF?17:00
timelessafaik it's intel17:00
lcukroger17:01
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CosmoHillif it's servers won't it be LF?17:02
lcukhence my question CosmoHill - but I think timeless would know since he is dealing with mxr17:02
CosmoHillthe last time I saw MXR it told me about the wonders of IE8 and SilverLight17:03
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lcukanalogue even17:05
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timelessCosmoHill: it's OSU hosted17:05
ali1234i have to laugh at the rage over tablet ux17:05
ali1234it's not *that* good17:05
timelessbut MeeGo is big enough that the hosting is mostly power + cage space17:05
timelessthe actual people w/ access generally work for intel, nokia, or contract to one or the other17:05
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Nils^good day people.17:06
Nils^what is the state of meego for n900? can't wait to get away from maemo17:06
ali1234not useable yet17:07
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gabrbeddhi Nils^17:08
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lardman~seen X-Fade17:45
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'Nah, is documented. And USB->ttl convertor is $2 on ebay :)'.17:45
lardmaninfobot: but when?!17:45
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CosmoHillalso which channel17:46
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CosmoHilllardman: friday17:47
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lardmanthanks CosmoHill17:47
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* lardman would like OBS access, is there someone else I can talk to?17:48
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mwichmannquestion out of the blue:  does meego have support for "wifi offloading"18:00
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Stskeepsdefine offloading18:00
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mwichmannif you're on your phone network, and wifi is available, you transfer eligible data over the wifi18:01
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CosmoHilllike when I've copying stuff over the wifi, when I plug in the ethernet it starts using that instead cos it's faster?18:02
Stskeepsmwichmann: network namespaces, maybe18:03
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mwichmannCosmoHill - something like that, although here it's not specifically for speed but for cost18:03
mwichmannstill there's a policy choice made somewhere18:03
CosmoHilli'd image detection would still be in speed18:03
CosmoHillwifi > 3G18:03
CosmoHilleven if the internet over the wifi is slower18:04
Stskeepsmwichmann: i think there's a FEA# open for network prioritization18:04
Stskeepsbut i might be wrong18:04
CosmoHillI see what you mean tho, there might be some way to specify prefered data transmission type18:04
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arfollsurely connman will disconnect itself from the data network when it has wifi?18:08
arfollit allready does this when you plug in ethernet and you are on wifi. Annoys the hell out of me18:08
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mwichmannI don't think it's as clear-cut a choice18:09
mwichmannthere may be some stuff that can only come through the data network - stuff unique to the carrier18:09
CosmoHillwhat I find is that outgoing stuff moves from wifi to ethernet if avaiable but incoming stuff will stay with whatever it was using in the begining18:09
mwichmannso "disconnect" would likely be wrong18:10
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arfollmwichmann, i believe thats what android does when it comes into contact with wifi18:12
arfollsaves battery power18:12
mwichmannhmmm18:12
arfollat least my n1 looses it's 3G IP address as soon as I walk into a wifi network i know18:13
CosmoHillcould their be something that detechs the wifi signal strength, as it weakens it prepares the 3G modem for activation and connection18:13
CosmoHills/their/there/18:13
infobotCosmoHill meant: could there be something that detechs the wifi signal strength, as it weakens it prepares the 3G modem for activation and connection18:13
arfollCosmoHill, that would eat the battery even more, and connecting to 3g is fairly fast18:14
mwichmannso disconnect-and-fire-up-on-demand might be a viable model then?18:14
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arfollmwichmann, have a look at what android does, or/and iphone but i believe thats the model they use. I think it's the only one that truly works, no one wants two active data and wondering if they are getting charged for using mobile data or not18:16
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mwichmannhttp://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/ConnectivityManager.html18:18
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timelessDawnFoster: do the intel people irc?19:18
timelessDawnFoster: i kinda need to have my box rebooted :/19:19
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pixelgeekSome Intel people IRC ;)  (when they're not trawling through email or in mtgs)19:20
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pupnikthey're too busy flying around on jets and going to parties, i think19:26
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DawnFostertimeless: adam is rebooting now19:34
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timelessthanks19:34
timelessor please thank him19:34
DawnFostertimeless: looks like memory exhaustion19:34
timelessyeah, i did something stupid19:34
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timelessi was trying to do a bunch of things in parallel19:35
timelessa normal update run wouldn't work that way19:35
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DawnFostercool, thanks19:37
timelessok, so the server's back up19:37
timelesssadly i was silly and didn't proactively change the root view for repo, so people can't see what i see19:38
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tripzero does system-ui status menu look as borked in handset images as it does in tablet images?19:40
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gabrbeddtripzero: Not sure what 'system-ui status menu' is... but last I checked, everything's worse on handset images (pinetrail builds)19:44
tripzerostatus menu is what appears when you "pull down" on the status bar (also where notifications show)19:44
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timelessanyway, i'll have dinner and move the root so people can look around in about 90mins19:47
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gabrbeddtripzero: ...and it gives you an icon for "setup" or "settings" (can't remember which) and a blank window with an X in the corner and otherwise a gray screen?19:51
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gabrbeddtripzero: If so... then yes it's the same on current pinetrail handset builds.19:51
tripzerookay, thanks19:51
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lcuksabotage, ping - what would happen if the dialer app were compiled as a shared library and linked directly into the window manager?  waiting important vital seconds to bring up what is a required feature seems odd.20:20
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lcuk(of course, that assumes the app is fully OO and available in a manner that you can create an instance of dialer to be used easily (ie a simple api around using it)20:21
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TSCHAKeeecertain apps like the dialer should be locked into memory and their pages marked unswappable20:22
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lcukTSCHAKeee, perhaps.  How would someone find out where to test it and how much of a difference it would make?20:27
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TSCHAKeeewhere to test it?20:27
lcukhow to set it and/or confirm that it is or is not currently doing that at the moment20:28
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ali1234i think people don't get that no devices are going to ship with the reference UX...20:53
CosmoHillI always thought vendors would create their own UX20:53
ali1234yeah, well, you're not whinging on the ML :)20:54
CosmoHill:)20:54
CosmoHillI was talking to someone about separating branding from the packages20:54
ali1234also, you're not a maemo old-timer20:54
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CosmoHillI've been in here since #meego opened and Ive only just learnt how to spell Maemo20:55
ali1234the maemo community took "annoying fanboy" to a whole new level :/20:55
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ali1234not only do they hate everything else, they also hate the product they are a fanboy of :)20:56
CosmoHillbefore or after the MS/ Nokia partnership annoucement?20:56
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ali1234long, long before that20:56
CosmoHillso they're emos basically?20:56
ali1234i'm talking before meego even existed20:56
ali1234lol, yeah, i suppose20:56
tripzeromeego is almost 1yr old20:56
CosmoHillthis week in fact20:56
tripzeronot even teething yet20:57
tripzerowell, maybe barely teething20:57
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* gabrbedd goes to get a teething ring from the freezer.20:58
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lcukgabrbedd, see if there is a book about UX there too21:00
gabrbeddlcuk: ha!  No, but there's a chalk tablet in there.  Wierd.21:00
lcuk:)21:01
lcukwhat did you draw on it?21:01
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* lcuk draws people and flowers and fish and tictactoe tables21:01
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lcuk(tictactoe is one of the best ways to learn and pickup writing on a touchscreen!)21:01
gabrbeddI draw odd, amorphous shapes and then turn them into people's heads.21:02
lcukheh21:02
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lcukI often draw a circle21:02
lcukthen draw loads of others around filling gaps but not overlapping21:02
lcukme and jake made a game from it where we carried on until no space left21:02
lcukhe learnt quickly to make good consistent shapes :)21:02
ali1234impossible!21:02
ali1234you can never fill a shape completely with circles, unless the original shape is a circle21:03
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gabrbeddhttp://xkcd.com/8/  Not circles... but still fun.21:04
ali1234http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonian_gasket21:05
gabrbeddOh... here's the doodle I was looking for:  http://xkcd.com/24/21:06
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lcukali1234, gabrbedd  bottom of there http://liqbase.net/liq.20110222_190506.liqrecentsketches.scr.png21:06
lcuk(the rest is a discussion from Manchester Museum about Alan Turing21:06
ali1234"what is a computer?"21:07
gabrbeddali1234: Nice!21:07
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gabrbeddlcuk: :-)21:07
lcukali1234, heh yeah21:07
lcukwas a great presentation, by a fake Alan Turing21:07
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* lcuk went on Sunday21:08
lcukanyway, playing that on a bit screen is good fun, just drawing circles in turn until we fill screen :)21:09
sabotage lcuk: interesting question, and possibly worth looking into, though I would not like to be WM dependant, so it would need to be done in an ICCCM/EWMH compliant manner.21:09
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lcuksabotage, I thought Qt was object oriented really - ie you have a self contained object that you can instantiate anytime? (as long as the factory api is avilable)21:10
lcuklike creating an instance of textbox21:10
lcukbut create an instance of dialer21:11
sabotagebut FYI, I'm expecting patches from a co-worker this week that will add in pre-launch capabilities, making the appearance of startup now nearly instantanious21:11
lcukok, is there a bug to track, I don't see one on the page21:11
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer21:11
sabotage1sec21:12
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lcukta21:12
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sabotage1977 and 7074 are the most relevant, and the ones I am using to get these patches SR'd once they land21:13
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CosmoHilllcuk: so you go "phone home" and it starts calling your home number?21:15
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mikhasheya DawnFoster, does https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 need more details?21:25
MeeGoBotBug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML21:25
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timelesshttp://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/21:27
timeless(not indexed, rough demo)21:27
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DawnFostermikhas: did you also post something to meego-touch with a link to the bug to see if anyone objects?21:27
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timelesshrm21:29
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mikhasAh ok, will do that21:29
gabrbeddtimeless:  that's pretty cool! :-)21:29
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timelessgabrbedd: it seems to be somewhat under resourced21:29
* timeless wonders how many people attacked that url but can't really tell as the system stopped answering21:30
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gabrbeddtimeless:  um, sorry.  I didn't mean to break it.21:31
timelessnot your fault21:31
timelessunless you chose to spider it21:31
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gabrbeddwell, you didn't *say* not to spider it!21:31
gabrbedd:-p21:32
divanjavispedro, hi. Do still plan to create /media/internal on preenv install/update?21:32
divans/do still/do you still/21:32
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timelessgabrbedd: the parent of that url does say not to spider it, as does the robots.txt file :)21:33
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timelessso, there are 140 directories in that list out of 1440 source rpms21:33
timelessnot a bad sample21:33
timelessDawnFoster: hrm, is adam around?21:34
timelessi can't ping mxr anymore, host unreachable :(21:34
DawnFostertimeless: he's in an all week meego it meeting - best way to get him is by email.21:35
* timeless nods21:35
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timelessis there an on call person? it seems like general connectivity within the network fell over :(21:36
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timelessargretzi: !21:37
timelessit looks like part of the internal network failed? :(21:37
timelessok, turns out someone was doing network maintenance, totally not my fault :)21:41
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lcuksabotage, thanks, have cced onto them (had to just eat tea)21:42
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lcukCosmoHill, what do you mean?21:42
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CosmoHillthat link you gave, that voice recontiion for the phone21:43
CosmoHillso you speak the name of who you want to phone21:43
* Stskeeps yawns21:43
lcukCosmoHill, I linked to the default Dialer page if that is what you mean? ( http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer )21:44
CosmoHillyes21:44
timelessgabrbedd: please feel free to browse around a bit21:44
lcukbut I haven't even looked or noticed voice dialing21:44
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lcukstill trying to get more mundane non star trek interfaces working21:44
timelessso, anyone here do theme work? mxr.meego.com needs some theme help :)21:45
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timelessit probably wants to have a couple of meegons too21:45
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lcuktimeless, theres a few folks around who do theming, do you have a rough idea of how you could see it looking21:46
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lcukor are you just at the point of "meh it needs prettifying21:47
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timelesslcuk: generally i'd want some cute meegon for MXR, and probably some css to get the colors right21:49
timelessbeyond that i hope people don't want to do much21:49
CosmoHillbtw, is the N95 still any good?21:49
timelesstypically people just stick a banner at the top of the page21:49
timelessCosmoHill: it's still the #1 nokia phone on flickr21:50
timelessiirc21:50
joeoshawai just saw that microsoft bought nokia's co-operation figures21:50
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: eh?21:51
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timelessjoeoshawa: please see topic21:51
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joeoshawanokia is not fully supporting meego anymore21:51
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joeoshawano meego phone21:52
timelessjoeoshawa: please see topic21:52
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: yeah, let's take that in #meego-bar21:52
CosmoHilltroll?21:52
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joeoshawageneral discussions about meego no?21:52
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joeoshawaand no not a troll21:53
timeless> For 'bar' talk (rumours, gossip, etc), please go to #meego-bar]21:53
joeoshawanot rumour21:53
joeoshawaannounced21:53
timelessnot relevant21:53
timelessand that isn't what was announced21:53
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timelessso since you didn't get your facts straight, please go to the bar, have a drink21:53
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joeoshawathen why did intel announce they are looking for another partner and were disappointed in nokia's decision?21:55
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joeoshawawhat was the announcement21:55
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timelessjoeoshawa: go to the bar!21:55
timelessor be barred from here.21:55
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joeoshawai don't want gossip21:55
joeoshawai want21:55
CosmoHillWindows Mobile 721:56
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joeoshawai want to know what is actually going on21:56
Myrttiso do we all21:56
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: nokia is still contributing to meego according to meego-commits@ mailing list.21:56
joeoshawathat would be valid disscussion no?21:56
timelessCosmoHill: no such animal21:56
Stskeepsjoeoshawa: does that answer your question?21:56
timeless(a nokia employee just started setting up a cross reference for meego...)21:56
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Stskeepsthe meego n900 hardware adaptation team is stil working, too21:56
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Stskeepsas is the SDK team21:57
joeoshawathats good then21:57
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lbthey Stskeeps o/21:57
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Stskeepsthe difference is that Nokia's "next step" smartphone was supposed to be MeeGo and the primary strategy is now Windows Phone 7. There will still be a MeeGo device made from Nokia, that's fact21:58
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joeoshawawell i know in the announcement i read they did say they will still release a meego device21:58
joeoshawayes just probably not a phone21:58
joeoshawaright?21:58
AndyBleadenjoeoshawa and there is lots of us still too :)21:58
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: N900 was a tablet that happened to have phone capability ;)21:59
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lpotterjoeoshawa: http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-meego-phone-named-very-elegant-hardware-says-cto-video-22135076/21:59
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joeoshawai know actually i really like the idea and was going to get one but no network for 3g in ontario21:59
Stskeepsjoeoshawa: long story short: nokia hasn't left the building and we're still all very much working and tired of all the rumours about our deaths ;)21:59
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: well, then wait for official announcements from nokia :)21:59
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mikhasThree years vision lol, reminds me too much of planned economy: "And after the plan for the last 3 years failed, we came up with an even bigger and more complex plan for the next 3 years, which is - given our history of implementing plans - also likely to fail. After that, we probably need a new plan."22:01
joeoshawawell that would be why i came here to ask and i understand your frustration but you will forgive me for not having confidence in microsoft's "fair business practices"22:01
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: right - what we care about here is meego.com :) what the vendors do is technically none of our interest :)22:02
Stskeepsso that's why we ask people to take those discussions to the bar22:02
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AndyBleadenGeneral question here to anyone who might help.I am noticing a gradual creep in boot up time.Mine seems to be a great deal longer than before? Any ideas where I can put a check safely on unneeded start ups in meego22:02
AndyBleadenI mean on a netbook with meego 1.122:02
StskeepsAndyBleaden: doesn't sound right - netbook?22:02
AndyBleadensorry yes22:02
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AndyBleadenhad a look in xdg/autostart22:03
StskeepsAndyBleaden: check if your HD is ok22:03
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AndyBleadenhmm22:03
joeoshawawell my interest is in good integration between a phone tablet pc and a linux os22:03
joeoshawadesktop22:03
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AndyBleadenhow?22:03
mikhasjoeoshawa, then scratch that itch ;-)22:03
StskeepsAndyBleaden: 'smartctl' is what i normally use22:03
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Stskeepsjoeoshawa: well, then you're in the right place - connected devices is a meego goal (platform)22:03
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joeoshawathe company providing the phone is of little concern to me but i am a linux only user i do not use any other os22:04
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AndyBleadensmartctl is that something I need to zypper in and use via terminal22:04
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StskeepsAndyBleaden: yeah, though i don't know if it exists in meego22:05
AndyBleadenhmm22:05
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AndyBleadenok will have a look ..again we aint talking minutes but it has got slower22:05
mikhasit takes a lot of effort to create such devices, joeoshawa22:05
gabrbeddAndyBleaden: Just a shot in the dark... what if you delete everything in /tmp and reboot?22:06
joeoshawai was wondering if syncing with a linux os for callender and such had been considered22:06
AndyBleadenhmm22:06
mikhassure has been, buteo22:06
joeoshawai do realise that22:06
* gabrbedd has noticed that /tmp isn't being cleaned out on reboots.22:06
AndyBleadensounds reasonable22:06
AndyBleadenwill have a look22:06
mikhasgabrbedd, wouldnt that be a bug?22:07
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mikhaswell I mean, why would you persist data on /tmp anyways? isn't it usally mounted as a tmpfs?22:07
AndyBleadenhmm there is 145 items at 3.3 mb...not loads22:07
AndyBleadenin my tmp22:08
joeoshawabtw with a backer like intel i had not even considered nokia's announcement to be meego's death22:08
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gabrbeddmikhas: I could imagne that during dev... you would want to keep the contents of /tmp for debugging... but idunno.22:08
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gabrbeddmikhas: so, yes, probably is a bug.22:08
mikhasit's not the amount of data, AndyBleaden. it could be all kind of stuff. some wrong application state or such22:08
AndyBleadeni guess it is safe to delete all22:08
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AndyBleaden@mikhas ah22:09
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AndyBleadenok22:09
AndyBleadenall gone now22:09
AndyBleaden thanks22:09
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gabrbeddAndyBleaden: It's easy and it's worth a try.  It's the only think I know that is "leaking" across reboots.22:10
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AndyBleadenalso noted that I have changed some boot splashes ..some are bigger files..would that slow things..been messing with the moblin stuff22:10
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AndyBleadenI could try rebooting now and seeing if that has made any difference22:11
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AndyBleadenand then if not remove bloated .png as a boot splash hmm22:12
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gabrbeddAndyBleaden: Yeah, the question after that is, "What all other stuff have you installed?"  :-)22:12
gabrbeddbah!  missed him.22:13
joeoshawai think he rebooted22:13
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AndyBleadenand reboots back in again22:14
mikhasthat was a lot faster, AndyBleaden, no?22:14
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AndyBleadenbit faster yes thanks bout 40-50 secs22:15
joeoshawaso meego will still have phone support if the hardware is there?22:17
AndyBleadenso lot better22:17
AndyBleadenthanks22:17
mikhasAndyBleaden, the price for this is that you need to file a bug report now, at bugs.meego.com22:17
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AndyBleadencool , cheap advice22:17
mikhasnothing's *really* for free, you know ;-)22:17
joeoshawaor is that question not answerable at this time?22:17
AndyBleadenI will get some other info together ..dmesg report etc22:17
mikhasthanks22:17
AndyBleadenwhat esle is needed22:17
mikhasexact version of the image you used22:17
AndyBleadenok will do22:17
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lcukand that ladies and gentlemen is the reason we have warnings over THAT button.22:52
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lcukhttp://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Saucer_separation22:52
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CosmoHillaaaahhhh23:00
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berndhsi'm getting dizzy23:00
CosmoHillwtf23:00
CosmoHillI look away and they all come back23:00
CosmoHillit's like hide and seek23:00
CosmoHillleguin.freenode.net gives channel operator status to23:00
CosmoHillinteresting23:00
CosmoHillI think it's the server we're on that is having the issue23:00
berndhsyes seems plausible23:00
berndhswehre is leguin ?23:00
CosmoHillSweden23:00
thiago_home22:00 -!- [leguin.freenode.net] - leguin.freenode.net Message of the Day -23:01
thiago_home22:00 -!- [leguin.freenode.net] - Welcome to leguin.freenode.net in Umeå, Sweden, EU! Thanks to23:01
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CosmoHillanyone heard of the c-ray benchmark?23:14
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lcukCosmoHill, I have23:15
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lcuk(since you just mentioned it, I didn't know before then)23:15
CosmoHilldo you know if there is a PVM / MPI implementation?23:15
jbos_hello, hey is meego.com down?23:15
CosmoHilljbos_: works for me23:16
lcukno23:16
jbos_mhm23:16
peudroidjbos: nah, just got in it23:16
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jbos_strange. ok, can not access nor ping it (mid germany area)23:16
lcukdid you turn your computer off and back on again?23:17
peudroidhey, any newbie-meego-tips for newbie-me? =]23:17
jbos_some local stuff it seems.23:17
jbos_hihi23:17
lcukI wish I was joking.23:17
jbos_lbt, ping23:17
lcukpeudroid, yes, get a nice ideapad or exopc and n900, download latest images - run over things, file some bugs, port some apps, play some games23:18
jbos_oh he is not around.23:18
lcukperhaps he has same connectivity issue!23:18
peudroid+images - run over things, file some bugs, port some apps, play some games23:19
peudroidthanks lcuk23:19
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jbos_maybe, hey anyways... we got bit further on our "use the sdk to make meego software mission"23:19
lcukpeudroid, many things are a bit building siteish if you go for the raw edge of meego23:19
lcukbut netbook and the new tablet image are reasonably usable and stable23:20
jbos_we mostlike did the mistake in using cmake23:20
lcukjbos_, which sdk23:20
jbos_1.2 (intel app up latest)23:20
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lcukroger23:20
jbos_meego 1.2 (of course - just if someone wonders)23:20
lcuk1.1.90 you mean23:21
jbos_well, yes latest. mhm we where - after lot of work - able to build cross23:21
peudroidthinking in develop apps for meego. just don't have a n900 to test...23:21
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jbos_n900... better not have one23:22
jbos_;)23:22
lcukpeudroid, what devices do you have handy that can run another OS?23:22
lcukjbos_, OI23:22
timelesshi jbos_ , i'm working on getting mxr.meego.com happy :)23:22
peudroidaside my own notebook, i have a motorola milestone running android23:22
jbos_yea:)23:22
jbos_timeless23:22
jbos_how are yoa23:22
jbos_back in the states?23:22
lcukpeudroid, what chipset does that run?23:23
jbos_mhm peudroid, try to use netbook / tablet23:23
lcukand how handy are you with porting, lots of activities and folks getting arm devices running in #meego-arm23:23
jbos_this give you way better experience than arm n90023:23
timelessnope, still in finland :)23:23
lcukjbos_, :)23:24
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* timeless ponders23:24
timelesshaving 11,000 temp files is probably bad23:25
lcukI really wonder what is going on under the hood of the n90023:25
jbos_well, lcuk we finally managed to have a working cross compling sdk for arm and i86, automatical created targets...23:25
jbos_just did the stupid thing of using cmake...23:26
jbos_which does not allow this "live deploy and debug on device"23:26
lcukroger, can appup accept app+library for installation?23:26
jbos_in creatore23:26
lcukor is it similar to the other stores of no libs23:26
jbos_mhm no real idea23:26
jbos_there are some good descriptions23:26
lcukshame, loads of people keep asking me to release liqcalendar for meego23:26
jbos_mhm try to get it in meegocore :D23:27
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lcuk:)23:27
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jbos_i try to get the same done... for my sparetime project...23:27
jbos_peregrine-communicator.org23:28
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lcukcalendar is minor amusement23:28
jbos_well not that easy job...23:28
jbos_:)23:28
peudroidlcuk: arm cortex A823:28
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lcukjbos_, its not that easy feature :)23:28
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jbos_:) true true... I actually considering to kick of a meego SDK Plugin project for qt creator23:29
peudroidand i never really work with phones OS stuff...23:29
lcukjbos_, qt plugins23:30
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lcukcan they access the full object model of the project?23:30
lcukerrr qt-creator23:30
jbos_most functionality of the qt creator are plugins23:30
lcukas in: from a plugin, can you access the class definition tree and UI model and stuff23:30
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jbos_suppose you can. duno23:31
lcuk(I ask because I have done numerous plugins for the vb ide in years gone by to do fun things)23:31
lcuklike one, take VB project and produce skeleton code and project for liq*23:31
jbos_well my idea is, to make it much  easier to start development for meego.23:31
jbos_currently the first 3-4 weeks suck deep shit and you need to learn and learn and learn more until you have your first project running23:32
lcukI thought it was already just get qt creator and click the play button?23:32
jbos_naa23:32
lcuks/play/"Start Project"/23:33
infobotlcuk meant: I thought it was already just get qt creator and click the "Start Project" button?23:33
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jbos_i.e. you need to know that meego targets for x compiling... (madde) are only containing the minimal meego api23:33
lcukyeah23:34
jbos_i.e. when you use qttelepathy, or and other lib out of the meego core compliance set...23:34
lcukthat is qt+qtmobility essentially?23:34
jbos_+ egl23:34
lcukI thought mobility abstracted all the other lib dependencies?23:34
jbos_if you use and core compliance lib...23:34
jbos_na, no way23:34
jbos_:)23:35
jbos_s/and/any23:35
jbos_you need to build your complete own target23:35
lcuknice23:35
jbos_there is no way to add libs later23:35
lcukwhats the bug number to track this?23:35
lcukVenemo, ping23:35
lcukdid you not deal with adding/mucking with custom libs in MADDE?23:36
lcukand not having to do it all from scratch?23:36
jbos_i typed yesterday something on my blog...23:36
jbos_http://www.jeremias-bosch.com/?p=7923:36
jbos_well, this topic really let me doubt about meego development23:37
jbos_it feels like nobody ever even try to use the sdk23:38
jbos_:D23:38
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lcukjbos_, well23:38
btdruckeit's been waiting for a while so I'm proposing that I merge it in.23:39
btdruckeoops, sorry about that. wrong window.23:39
lcuksince on different UXes there is no real way to get apps in yet (parallel tracks) and building work on other components etc23:39
timelessanyone here familiar w/ .rpmdb/DB_CONFIG ?23:39
jbos_lcuk, my point is, if the toolchain is not working and hacky... you  should not start to create different uxes23:40
jbos_:D23:40
lcukjbos_, and if you wait to build the toolchain until everything else is done, you are SOL23:41
lcukor whatever saying23:42
lcukthey are parallel tracks surely23:42
jbos_anyway, there is no sense in criticizing the sdk without a complete solution23:42
lcukyup23:42
jbos_I do not even say its not working23:42
jbos_it does23:42
* lcuk learnt over many years to make best of what is to hand23:42
jbos_but its reaaaaly tricky to get around, and droids, windows phones and so on demonstrate how it should be23:43
* lcuk also squints a bit to see what things might look like when they work properly23:43
lcukoh yeah23:43
mikhasthe MeeGo SDK is a joke23:43
jbos_well the meeGoSDK is great23:43
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peudroidhey, want to clarify something. The qt just run on Lucid or Fedora distros?23:43
Venemolcuk: pong23:43
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CosmoHilllcuk: I'm thinking about maybe using c-ray for a cluster test23:44
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timelessgrr23:44
timelesshalp?23:44
Venemolcuk: mad-admin xdpkg -i yourlib.deb23:44
lcukmikhas, the liqbase sdk is worse23:44
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timelessi'm trying to build a package and rpmbuild is hanging23:44
lcukinstall gcc, "make" :P23:44
jbos_mikhas, only problem is that nobody really described how to use it23:44
jbos_:D23:44
jbos_Venemo, are you serious?23:45
jbos_whats with rpm?23:45
jbos_:)23:45
jbos_what i think we need to get bigger acceptance, is some plugin in qt creator which allowes us all this stuff23:46
jbos_:)23:46
jbos_adding removing libs23:46
jbos_deploy to obs23:46
jbos_and so on23:46
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mikhas"oh look we now use madde. instead of using sb-conf to install a target you can now use madde to do exactly the same! no you still have to use the terminal, otherwise it wouldnt be linux-y enough, silly"23:50
timelessmikhas: heh23:50
mikhashell, the Maemo5 SDK (with the GUI) did a better job setting up sbox + default targets than the MeeGo SDK ...23:50
mikhas</rant>23:50
gabrbeddhands off my terminal!!23:50
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mikhaspeudroid, Qt runs everywhere. Even beyond the Tannhauser Gate.23:50
mikhasor so I heard23:50
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lcuktimeless, IDK about .rpmdb :'(23:50
lcukjbos_, did you see what Venemo just posted - does that potentially offer a way round your original problem?23:50
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lcukmikhas, even more shockingly than "make", is "make install" :O23:50
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* lcuk runs to tv, gnite23:50
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Venemojbos_: there is 'deploy to sysroot' in Qt Creator23:50
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Venemojbos_: and yeah, I'm serious23:50
timelesslcuk: turns out that something managed to grab a lock on .rpmdb (of some sort),, so i had to rename the directory23:51
jbos_mhm23:51
timelessthen things started working again23:51
Venemojbos_: I don't know if there is an rpm equivalent23:51
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mikhasjbos_, start writing said plugin23:51
mikhasand hide all the madde-ness behind it, too23:52
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lcukjbos_, Venemo is an extremely active developer of *usable* user facing Qt apps that work happily on maemo and meego and windows and stuff.23:52
jbos_dont think there is :) a rpm version for this23:52
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Venemojbos_: you can use the 'deploy to sysroot' in Qt Creator, can't you?23:53
jbos_mhm where is that?23:53
lcuktimeless, fair enough23:53
timelesslcuk: dunno about fair, i'd go w/ unfortunate23:53
timelessno useful logging23:53
Venemojbos_: it's in the Projects config23:53
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jbos_doesn't look like it is for meego qt creator23:55
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lcuktimeless, which os/comp are you on?23:56
timelesslcuk: um. hrm23:56
timelessdebian squeeze i think23:56
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lcukdoes debian do rpm?23:56
timelessx86_6423:56
timelessii  rpm            4.8.1-6        package manager for RPM23:57
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jbos_lcuk, that would be funny :D23:57
lcukooh23:57
Venemolcuk: I bet you can install it, just like you can install dpkg on Fedora23:57
lcuknot that funny, it made timeless annoyed23:57
lcukanyway, tv and tictactoe are waiting23:57
lcuk\o23:57
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jbos_mhm venemo, for me it looks like the only valid way to add libs to a sysroot for meego is using mic23:58
jbos_at least its also what you get from the mailinglists23:59
timelessi've built and used apt/dpkg on solaris :)23:59
jbos_but actually my critic isn't about that you have to use mic23:59
Venemojbos_: 'mic'?23:59
jbos_its about - why is the core compliance missing from core sysroot23:59

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