IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2011-02-17

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nillerzhello00:10
nillerzCan someone help me?00:10
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nillerzI get "configuration file not found" when I attempt to boot from DVD00:10
pupnikhi nillerz00:10
nillerzhello pupnik00:10
nillerzshould I just re-burn?00:11
gabrbeddnillerz: Where did the ISO come from?00:12
tarantism_are there instructions for booting weekly/daily images on the N900? I get "VFS: Cannot open root device ... Please append a correct "root=" boot option ..."00:12
nillerzmeego.com00:12
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gabrbeddnillers: There's lots of iso's on meego.com.  Can you please be more specific?00:13
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RainCTHey00:14
gabrbedds/nillers/nillerz/00:14
infobotgabrbedd meant: nillerz: There's lots of iso's on meego.com.  Can you please be more specific?00:14
nillerzmeego-netbook-ia32-1.100:14
RainCTHow can I close the settings window?00:14
nillerzalso, I re-named the .img to .iso after using file to determine that it was an iso00:15
RainCTOn a tablet that is. At the AppUp conference they showed us some gesture on the top-left corner, but if I use it I just see a header with an icon and the label "!! Settings" but after that the screen image is corrupted (all black and some green line)00:15
nillerzjust to get it so ubuntu would burn it through the right-click menu00:15
tripz0RainCT, you launch the app switcher, long-tap on the settings icon, and click close00:15
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tripz0RainCT, if you screen is corrupted, i'd try a reboot00:16
RainCTtripz0: If I hold on the settings icon I get some weird screen with lots of red and saying "!! MainPage", "qtn_sett_man_connections", "qtn_sett_man_phone", etc.00:16
tripz0also, why would you want to close settings.  settings is clearly the best app ever00:17
RainCT:)00:17
tripz0yeh, your system sounds hosed00:17
tripz0reboot ftw00:17
gabrbeddnillerz: Just a guess... If you have a CD-R or CD-RW, I would use that instead of a DVD.  Those are CD ISO's, and I don't know if they're compatible with DVD's.00:17
nillerzWell the file-size is too big to fit on a CD, I tried that first. It's over 800 megabytes00:18
gabrbeddnillerz: Hmmm... true.  Most of us are installing with a flash drive.  Do you have a 1 GB flash drive you can erase and use?00:18
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nillerzthis PC doesn't boot too well off of them00:19
nillerzIt's hit or miss, mostly miss, and I've tried a few times00:19
nillerzthe first time I tried meego it was off a flash drive but then after that it failed even after reformatting and putting meego on the flash drive again00:19
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nillerzalright I'm re-burning at a lower speed00:20
RainCTDidn't work.00:21
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sivangyay my image finished copying.00:21
* sivang heads on to booting.00:22
timelesssivang: oh right, i've got something for you00:23
sivangtimeless: ? :)00:23
sivangtimeless: shouldn't we be sleeping?00:23
sivang:-p00:23
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nillerzalright dun burning brb00:24
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tarantism_I'm trying to boot meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.90.3.20110215.10-mmcblk0p.raw using the same procedure that I used for meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw without success. Is the image broken or do I need a different procedure?00:25
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nillerzback so soon.00:27
nillerzno luck, I guess I *have* to keep trying usb-style00:27
sivanghrm00:28
sivangmaemo flsher does not support 64bit00:28
sivangmy ubuntu desktop is 64bit00:28
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gabrbeddnillerz: What kind of PC do you have?  What's the processor and video card?00:37
nillerzPentium processor, intel video card00:37
nillerzwant an lspci readout?00:37
gabrbeddPentium 4 ?00:38
nillerzuhh.. it just says pentium inside on the sticker... let me check00:39
CosmoHillhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Distribution_Frequently_Asked_Questions00:40
nillerzmobile 4 series00:40
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gabrbeddnillerz: it won't work with MeeGo.00:40
CosmoHillare you currently running an OS?00:40
nillerzyeah, Ubuntu 10.0400:40
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CosmoHillone second00:41
nillerzI'm going to give it another go off usb drive because I've done it before off of usb00:41
aukegrep model\ name /proc/cpuinfo00:41
CosmoHillcat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"00:41
CosmoHillauke: you you damn you00:41
aukeuseless use of cat!00:42
nillerzmodel name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T3400  @ 2.16GHz00:42
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CosmoHillauke: fine00:42
CosmoHillnillerz: grep ssse3 /proc/cpuinfo00:42
CosmoHill(three Ss00:43
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javispedrook, time to install that tablet ux on dublin lenovo!00:43
sivangfun!!!00:43
sivangit si booting00:43
aukenillerz: looks like your CPU is not supported00:43
javispedrosivang: no major problems?00:43
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CosmoHillI was thinking of making a list of supported processors on the wiki but it seems kinda of moot00:44
sivangjavispedro: hmm, let's see00:44
sivangjavispedro: it booted a minute a go, and showed the X of x00:44
aukeCosmoHill: might not be a bad idea00:44
sivangoh darn!00:44
sivangit is here!00:44
* sivang dances a happy dance00:44
CosmoHillauke: want to help me make it?00:44
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CosmoHillSupported_Processors << is that spelt correctly?00:45
sivanghmm00:45
sivangbattery shows empty but is is fool00:45
sivangfull00:45
nillerzdon't be so quick, remember how I said I already booted it off of usb on this pc before?00:46
sivangbut it is fool00:46
RainCTUhm, how can I update meego? "pkcon refresh"? (if so, it get stuck refreshing the package list -.-)00:46
sivanghow do I make a call?00:46
sivangI only get this settings and and X00:46
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sivangso how do I work this thing?00:48
sivangit shows me no reception though00:48
sivang:/00:48
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javispedrosivang: what are you using?00:50
sivangthe tethering module is enabled for some odd reason00:50
sivanglatest daily00:50
sivang15feb00:50
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sivangjavispedro: very slow to respond. Is Wifi working or GSM/3G ?00:51
javispedroI have not tried it...00:51
javispedro(latest)00:52
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sivangah I see00:53
sivangI think it took time for tracker to load00:53
sivangnow apps are dispalyed and there is not just odd settings window00:53
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sivangthere should be that vibrate when pressing00:54
sivangit really helps in Maemo00:54
CosmoHilllooking at the wiki, then they have coloured tables they use a template of yes, no and partial which show in green, red and yellow00:55
CosmoHillwould anyone object to me doing this on the meego wiki?00:55
sivangsettings don't start00:55
tripzerosettings don't start?00:58
tripzeroin tablet?00:59
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* javispedro tries to remember01:01
javispedroso should I dd the .iso file to a pendrive with an mbr, or without a mbr (supperfloppy style)?01:01
aukedd the img to the drive, not the partition01:02
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javispedrothanks auke01:02
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CosmoHillauke: what intel processors are supported?01:03
CosmoHillI have atom, i series and some celeron / pentiums based on the i301:04
TSCHAKeeesivang: the recent weeklies seem to be very broken at the moment01:05
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javispedro"meego-tablet-x86_64" amd64? really?01:06
sivangTSCHAKeee: ok01:06
TSCHAKeeesivang: stskeeps mentioned something about OBS being broken atm01:06
TSCHAKeeewhat wonderful timing01:06
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CosmoHillStskeeps: what ARM processors are supported?01:22
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hirabayashitaroanyone knows what qtct is?01:30
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GAN900CosmoHill, armv701:34
CosmoHillthanks GAN90001:35
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CosmoHillwanna see what I have at the moment? formatting is kinda screwed up01:37
ahiemstraformatting of?01:39
CosmoHillwiki table01:39
ahiemstraaah01:40
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ahiemstrathose can be tricky yes :)01:40
CosmoHill"oh this will be easy, it will look just like wikipedia...oh none of that is on the meego wiki"01:40
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CosmoHilloh shit, did I hit save instead of preview01:44
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CosmoHillhttp://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors01:45
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lcukCosmoHill, at what level do the cpu differences come into it?01:46
CosmoHillSSSE301:46
CosmoHillthat's it01:47
lcukI mean how far into boot sequence do you think issues would hit01:47
lcukis ssse3 used in the kernel?01:47
lcukcan you boot normal console?01:47
lcuketc01:47
CosmoHillI can use MeeGo on a P4 with TWM01:47
CosmoHillcan't use yum / zypper but RPM works01:47
ahiemstrayou probably want to change "expect" to "except" and "compatable" to "compatible" ;)01:47
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CosmoHilllcuk: most of the core doesn't care about SSSE301:49
lcukyeah, that is written for lowest common denominator01:50
lcukthanks for that chart CosmoHill, I am sure it will be fleshed out even more given time.01:51
CosmoHillhttp://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/smeegol-on-p4.jpg01:51
CosmoHillerm01:51
CosmoHillwrong link01:51
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-on-p4.jpg01:51
niala1ty CosmoHill01:53
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CosmoHillfirefox is being a laggy bitch again01:56
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* javispedro hates meego x86 installer overwrites mbr02:03
CosmoHillI believe distro installers should have an option to not install a boot loader02:03
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tripzeromost do02:05
tripzerowell, ubiquity will give you the option iirc02:05
CosmoHillKubuntu raped my poor little boot loader02:05
tripzeroanaconda sux02:05
CosmoHillI went from 4 options to 12, minus the one I want02:06
berndhsfedora gives you a few options02:06
CosmoHillanaconda is used on more than fedora02:06
berndhsmeego is pretty brutal though02:06
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CosmoHillinfact anaconda gaves me options to not install a boot loader02:06
CosmoHillMeeGo goes "say what?" and hangs on me :(02:07
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javispedroaaaargh02:09
javispedrobad unicode rendering on the tablet ux browser :(02:10
ahiemstraheh02:10
ahiemstrablame google :p02:10
javispedroit's on the chrome, actually, not the content02:10
ahiemstraoh02:11
javispedroseems that something is doing a misconversion when rendering the "New tab" string on the title bar02:11
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javispedroñ (from "pestaña"=tab in spanish) gets renderer as ã±02:13
javispedro*rendered02:13
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ahiemstrahmm, that's not too nice02:22
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javispedrohope to get the source soon (kernel is hanging my s10-3t on shutdown for some reason =) )02:28
Ulf_sabotage, is b0.10 working for you?02:31
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CosmoHillI think I'm doing well on the meego wiki considering my first FAQ was meant to be a joke02:47
CosmoHill(factually correct but still a joke)02:47
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merlin_1991CosmoHill, link plz :D02:48
CosmoHillnever actually got done02:49
CosmoHillit was various "does meego do / support this" with the answer being No02:49
CosmoHillone of them would be "yes" with the following question being "what. really?" "no"02:49
merlin_1991:D02:49
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CosmoHillcrap, I have a lecture in 8 hours...03:10
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CosmoHillcyas03:27
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* npm ssh's into s10-3t to see what the hangup is on boot05:43
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MichaelWanghi, what is new on MWC?08:51
MichaelWangand meego?08:51
Stskeepscarrypad.com has fairly decent coverage08:52
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sivangmorning09:39
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sivanganybody knows how to make pinetrail resize to the ideapad's resolution?09:42
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sivangalso, it would be nice to have evince09:45
sivangor other pdf reader on pinetrail09:45
Stskeepswhat image..09:45
* sivang thinks of creating his own ebook reader UX09:45
sivangStskeeps: the pinetrail downloaded from intel09:46
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sivangmeego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail.iso09:46
Stskeepsno idea then09:46
sivangthe only good thing about it is swype so far, otherwise given the ideapad resolution and screen realestate impossible to leave apps without killing them from the VT09:47
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RonksuI have been trying to download the pinetrail tablet image for couple of times, no succes so far. Connection has always broken after ~50M09:49
Ronksuwould really like to test it on the ideapad.09:49
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Myrttiwget -c ♥09:50
Ronksumyrtti, yeah, have to do it like that the next time09:51
sivangMyrtti: ha!09:51
sivangRonksu: it's not so fitted for the ideapad though. Not even as a mere ebook reader in my taste.09:51
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Ronksusivang: too bad. Will try out of curiosity though, don't have much use for the ideapad otherwise.09:52
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sivangRonksu: don't get me wrong. it is quite nice, the UX elements there are tablet suited and pretty09:54
sivangRonksu: but it still more love to go the wya09:54
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Ronksusivang: yep, not expecting anything finished09:54
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lbttimeless: pong10:45
timelessany progress?10:45
lbtwe're meeting next week in oregon and will discuss it then10:45
Stskeepsdo we have a BMC# for timeless's request?10:45
lbtwho uses this system ?10:45
lbttimeless: BMC?10:45
timelessbugs.meego.com10:46
lbtyes I know. Thanks10:46
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timelessthis is nuts10:46
timelesswhat's there to discuss? the vm was created10:46
timelesssomeone was supposed to set up an ldap account, surely that takes 10mins10:46
timelesshas it been done?10:46
lbtI said "no"10:46
lbtFYI10:47
timeless? context?10:47
lbtwe have not properly assessed how much resource this will use10:47
lbtthere are no backup plans10:47
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* timeless bangs head against wall10:47
lbtthere is no indication of where this should fit in our priority10:47
timelessthe backup is that when the service goes down some people whine10:47
timelessthat's no different from any other service10:48
lbtI know you are the single most important person in your world. But I'm trying not to just react to the people who shout loudest10:48
lbtwe have a *LOT* to do and frankly mxr is low down on the list10:48
timelesssetting it up again... well, give me the box and use a stop watch and i'll let you know10:48
lbtit is not a *no*10:48
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timelesswould that be useful?10:48
* timeless should run a log analyzer on mxr.maemo.org10:48
lbtit is a "we are going to look at your request as part of our planning next week"10:49
lbtit would be useful to have an idea of how many users you expect10:49
lbteg is mxr more important than wiki?10:49
lbthow about auth system10:49
lbthow about the sdk site?10:49
timelessno auth required until private repos are indexed10:49
lbtwhich should we downgrade to do your work?10:49
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timelessall things considered, having a cross reference is cheaper and more useful than an sdk site10:50
lbtno those are amongst the projects we're looking at10:50
timelesswhich is unlikely to be well maintained10:50
timelesssince a cross reference automatically provides access to whatever code and hence code docs or code indicating actual quirks are present10:50
lbttimeless: the current mechanism for getting a service up on meego.com isn't great10:50
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timelessreally? i hadn't noticed10:51
timelesssomehow the qa team managed10:51
timelessand yet, tbh, their thing is crap10:51
timelessand utterly worthless10:51
timelessalthough perhaps someone gave them their thing to stop them from spamming wiki10:51
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timelessso that people could spend less time cleaning up wiki10:51
lbttimeless: do you have the server logs from the mxr you setup10:52
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timelessthe number of users actually using the qa graph server has to be far fewer than the number who will use mxr10:52
lbtso you can say "this is how many hits we had"10:52
timelesslbt: i have logs for mxr.maemo.org and the internal one10:52
lbtno10:52
lbtmeego one10:52
timelessthe one for meego.com, we have to ask jebba10:52
lbtit was up for 2 months iirc10:52
lbtOK - that will help10:52
timelesslbt: ask jebba in the bug10:52
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timelesssince that's where you want the info and that's where he's reading10:53
lbtno. jebba is not someone I'm involving in this10:53
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timelessexplain how you want the data10:53
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lbtall I'm asking is to fairly assess mxr wrt other services10:53
timelessok10:53
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lbtreally that's not my job. It's CO with Dawn or Quim ... but we are not yet setup so we do as best we can10:54
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lbtso. help me to set the priority and we will get onto it10:54
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lbtmeanwhile asking "are we there yet" like a child on a long car journey is not endearing you to me.....10:55
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timelesssorry, but you're being a stick in the mud10:55
timelessand are not endearing yourself to the channel10:55
lbt*g*10:55
timelessi'd like to be able to set up mxr even if no one can access it10:56
lbtsure10:56
timelessthat requires some time but shouldn't require worries about backup resources10:56
timelessor just about anything else10:56
timelessjust someone to give me the keys10:56
lbtand that kind of attitude is why we don't give out keys.10:56
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timelessi don't want root10:57
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timelessand i will not try to acquire root10:57
lbtif/when you leave (as you regularly say you will) then who looks after this service?10:57
lbtcf jebba10:57
lbtme?10:57
lbtNiels?10:57
lbtso yes, I am looking to the long term installation10:57
lbtand yes I care about backup/recovery10:58
RST38hWill anyone care at that point?10:58
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lbtwhen timeless leaves? No.... it'll all be over :10:58
timelesslbt: i have a couple of people who i'm grooming to be able to pick up mxr setup10:58
timelessbut, there's little point in asking them to do work now10:59
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lbtOK that's 15 mins on this .... I've explained and said it's on the teams discussion list for planning .... now-> work10:59
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lbtget me those hit stats please11:00
lbtnb... that's something that's needed for DawnFoster's stats project11:00
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lbtso we know where to allocate resource11:00
lbtso I assume you correctly set that up on the mxr.meego.com instance you had11:00
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timelessit's apache, from memory access_log was generated11:01
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lbtgood. That should help11:02
timelessdo you guys publish stats for the other services?11:03
* timeless would love to see stats for qa-graphs11:03
lbtask DawnFoster11:03
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Stskeepsmorn wazd13:17
wazdStskeeps: heya :)13:17
wazdStskeeps: back home finally :)13:17
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wazdthresh: ty :P13:18
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threshwazd: enjoy -25œC :P13:19
wazdthresh: yeah, after +6 in Prague it's insane :)13:20
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wazdStskeeps: really bad that I was too far away to meet you13:21
Stskeepswazd: another time :)13:21
wazdStskeeps: sure :) You can come here maybe :D13:22
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threshnice joke13:24
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magneticis there an equivalent to the android telephony api? stuff to add hooks when a call is received and so on?13:31
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Stskeepsmagnetic: ofono dbus api maybe13:31
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bergieor on higher level, Telepathy?13:32
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magneticcool, thx13:33
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magneticthe amount of documentation on ofono.org is overwhelming: a block diagram :P13:35
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Stskeepsyes, that is my thought too13:36
Stskeepsdoc/ in source is ok13:36
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The3211hii friends13:38
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leinirofono is only for actual phone call stuff though, right? This would mean you didn't get informed about for example SIP calls or Skype... Telepathy would let you do that :)13:39
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leinir...if those hooks exist, of course, which... well, not knowing, i would be surprised if they didn't :)13:39
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leinirmagnetic: ^13:42
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Hq`http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/contest/developerchallenge13:51
Hq`nice prizes :)13:51
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Naranek"Best custom app for France" - say what now!??13:53
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Naranekand why is the graphic a white flag? ;)13:53
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magneticleinir: i'm only interested on phone calls at the moment. Looking at the doc it seems that the PropertyChanged signal is what i need13:54
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pupnik3D phone, dual-core omap4, IPS stereoscopic display, 2-4x performance of N900, http://www.anandtech.com/show/4179/ti-omap4-and-lg-optimus-3d-tested14:01
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Dijitgood afternoon gentlemen14:01
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leinirnotmart: Sooo... do you think it'd be possible to get something ready before the SF meego conf? ;)14:15
notmartleinir: aaand, when it is? ;)14:16
leinirEnd of May :)14:17
leinirhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_201114:17
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notmartso, depends on the entity of the "something" but end of may, yeah, i see it nicely feasible :D14:17
leiniri would love to see a community booth type thing from kde with a couple of devices with the plasma netbook, plasma tablet and plasma mobile UXes, that'd be pretty sweet ;)14:19
notmartleinir: i'm fixing some rough edges right now so that plasma mobile cn really be used as a shell14:20
notmartthen i think we are also quite near to a booting image from the packaging side ;)14:20
leinirSweet ;)14:21
pupnikmotorola droid2 with omap3640 @ 1ghz could make a fine meego-phone (if opensource drivers are avail) http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-2-Teardown/3502/114:22
The3211hi leinir14:22
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leinirHeya The3211 :)14:23
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notmartpupnik: ...and if it didn't insisted to reflash any custom image put on it :p14:23
pupnikit does that?14:25
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notmartdroid2 i think so, at least, most recent motorola android phones have this nasty habit14:25
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notmartthat has of course already jailbroken, but shows the attitude of motorola about controlling their devices...14:26
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pupniknotmart: are there any other attractive looking candidates for meego on the horizon?14:28
leinirpupnik: that depends on how far away your horizon lies... jupiter or mars curvature? ;)14:29
pupnikhm14:30
pupnikmmaybe i should just play with the archos 7.0 and a huawei umts stick14:30
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The3211is there anyone for chat????14:32
thiagowe're not here for chatting14:32
thiagowe're here for work14:32
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The3211is there anyone for chat???14:32
thiagono14:32
The3211can you tell me what kind of work may be i can help you... @ thiago14:33
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pupnikThe3211: i could use a very low-power mp3 player that discards low-frequency bands and bypasses pulseaudio14:36
The3211what the hell is that ?? @ pupnik14:37
pupnikperhaps deadbeef is a candidate, or something else arm-optimized14:38
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DEADBEEF-huh?14:38
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pupnikhttp://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/14:38
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sig^any good handwriting recognizer software, preferably one that can handle hanzi/kanji?14:46
sig^(google gave me cellwriter)14:46
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pupniksig^: how about finding me some FOSS kanji OCR14:51
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sig^that's actually what I'm kind of wondering... there are so many small-ish websites that offer javascript handwriting recognition14:54
sig^it must be a cheap tech, but can it be just all proprietary?14:54
sig^Also, it's not just bitmap OCR, it's more like "stroke recognition", comparing a set of strokes against a database14:55
sig^of course, you have to be able to say which strokes are which...14:55
pupnikyes there's a big difference14:55
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sig^but it can also be just OCR, aiding in recognition14:55
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sig^hmm, it could be interesting to write one, again, if I had a time bubble where I could sit for a hundred years without time passing14:56
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notmartsig^: if you find such a kind of time bubble please let us know :p15:00
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ahiemstrahmm, i think i'd rather avoid that one15:04
ahiemstrai mean, how can you be in a time bubble for 100 years if no time passes? :)15:04
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topeiraahiemstra: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/15:08
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topeirasig^: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/15:09
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lbtStskeeps: does sudo work for you on ircbot VM ?15:46
Stskeepslbt: you didn't actually give me anywhere to ssh to from the jumpbox15:46
Stskeeps:)15:46
Stskeeps(i think)15:46
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lbtah - I thought max did ... left/right hand15:46
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jarkko^http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=61308315:52
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mwichmannjarkko: amusing (hey, why not rm -fr / since it might have some junk under it :)16:07
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leinirnotmart: sweet bit of news there :)18:21
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notmartleinir: indeed ;)18:25
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RST38hfrom a burning platform, to a sinking platform <-- hehe19:34
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apoldoes anybody know where can I find information about how to make qml apps look integrated in meego tablet UX?19:48
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tripzeroapol, even though the entire UX hasn't been open yet, you can surely look at the QML files that are installed per-app and "do what they do"19:52
apolhmm19:52
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apoli guess there's no doc yet, then, no?19:53
apoltripzero: do you know where can i find them other than an installed system? (a repository for instance)19:53
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tripzeroapol, negative19:56
apolwell19:57
apolthanks19:57
gabrbeddapol: Intel hasn't released it publicly.  You'll have to grab their pre-alpha image and play around with it.19:57
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apol;/ ok19:58
apolthx!19:58
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DawnFosterStskeeps: ping20:17
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sivangRST38h: why sinking?21:17
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StskeepsDawnFoster: pong21:21
DawnFosterhey stskeeps - I'm starting to pull download data from server logs & want to make sure I have the n900 downloads captured correctly.21:22
Stskeepsright?21:22
DawnFosterStskeeps: main download file would match: aw\.bz221:23
DawnFosteroops make that raw\.bz221:23
Stskeepsyep - kernel is just a sidenote21:23
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DawnFosterwith released images always in a /releases/ directory and developer builds somewhere in /builds/ directories21:23
DawnFoster(using awk to parse some huge files & want to make sure I'm matching the right things)21:24
Stskeeps+1 on using awk ;)21:24
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DawnFosterStskeeps: I <3 awk21:24
Stskeepsand yes, /releases/ and buils/21:25
DawnFosterStskeeps: I'll send you a file this afternoon (to you and other release managers) to do a reality check on the numbers21:25
Stskeepsk21:25
DawnFosterthanks!21:25
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* Stskeeps goes look at flight prices21:25
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lbthey DawnFoster21:27
DawnFosterhey lbt21:27
lbthow's things?21:27
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sivangflights? servers?21:30
* sivang wonders what's going on.21:30
Stskeepssivang: did i forget to tell you of my second career as a secret agent?21:31
Stskeeps:P21:31
sivangStskeeps: hmm21:31
DawnFosterthings are good - just working on metrics21:31
kyb3Rdouble-agent ;)21:31
sivangif there is a flight I want to be on it :)21:31
* sivang likes flying21:31
DawnFosteradding some new data21:31
sivangDawnFoster: am I there ? :p21:32
Stskeepssivang: probably in irc stats on speaking a lot ;p21:33
lcukStskeeps, where are the irc stats?21:34
Stskeepslcuk: stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.jan.html21:34
sivangStskeeps: well, there are ml's blog posts :)21:34
sivangStskeeps: yes, this country makes you a good speaker :-p21:35
sivangerr, there's a word for that21:35
sivang'digger'21:35
sivangin hebrew is sounds better and funnier21:35
DawnFostersivang: shows up in mailing list posts & IRC top 20 people :)21:36
DawnFosterthe rest of you have to wait until I publish them. Muwahaha21:36
sivangDawnFoster: heh21:36
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gabrbeddDawnFoster always loved sivang best!!21:38
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sivanggabrbedd: I wish ;)21:39
DawnFosterha! he was the first to ask :)21:39
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gabrbeddDawnFoster: can I borrow $20?21:42
DawnFostergabrbedd: ha, nice try :)21:43
gabrbedd:-)21:43
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Ulf_DawnFoster, so what's the most downloaded image these days?21:48
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gabrbeddI just got an e-mail from Intel AppUp.  Hard to read in pine with all the [1x1_clear.gif] and [isn_news_back_feature_bot3.gif] stuff.... but I think they're now accepting MeeGo apps in the store.21:50
gabrbeddI still don't see an AppUp app for MeeGo on the front page, yet... but that's good news.21:51
StskeepsUlf_: i'm having bets on the N900 one, but netbook pinetrail might be high on the list too21:51
Ulf_Stskeeps, I'm guessing Pinetrail21:52
DawnFosterUlf_: only analyzed released images: netbook image by far is the leader21:52
DawnFosterfollowed by N90021:52
DawnFosterthen IVI21:52
Ulf_wow21:52
DawnFosterOct - Jan data21:52
DawnFosterdownloads from builds directories will be very different21:53
StskeepsDawnFoster: splits on versions could be interesting21:53
DawnFostern900 leads on builds downloads21:53
DawnFosterI'll send you both a spreadsheet this afternoon to do a reality check on21:53
DawnFosterok, I have to drop off for a while21:53
Stskeepscya21:54
Ulf_Excluding source IPs in the Intel network range for wget as the user agent would be good21:54
StskeepsX-Fade: do you have stats on tablets-dev / meego-codedrop.php ?21:54
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X-FadeStskeeps: No. I might be able to get that, but that will take some time.21:56
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StskeepsX-Fade: ok, not a high priority21:59
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hirabayashitarocan someone suggest me a gui irc client with minimal features to use instead of webirc?22:13
tripzeroxchat22:13
tripzeroirssi22:13
tripzeropidgin22:13
tripzeroempathy22:13
niala1bitchx22:13
lcuktelnet22:13
Stskeepsirssi, for sure22:13
Stskeepspeople still use bitchx?22:13
Stskeeps:P22:13
tripzerotelnet lol22:13
TSCHAKeeeircII !22:14
kyb3Rirssi22:14
hirabayashitarowait wait22:14
hirabayashitaroirssi has no gui22:14
tripzerosure it does22:14
lcuksure it does22:14
tripzeromaybe not a point and click gui, but gui nontheless22:15
hirabayashitarook ok22:15
hirabayashitaroso22:15
hirabayashitarolet's start from the beginning22:15
tripzeroits irc we are talking about.  you use the keyboard22:15
tripzeronot the mouse ;)22:15
smokutripzero, tui ;-)22:15
hirabayashitarotripzero: i know and I use irrsi also22:15
CosmoHillhello22:15
lcuktripzero, who says it has to be like that forever22:16
CosmoHillhirabayashitaro: xchat +122:16
hirabayashitarobut I'm searching for something more click & you're done22:16
* tripzero moves mouse in rolling-the-eyes motion22:16
niala1hy CosmoHill from the hill22:16
smokuhirabayashitaro, I like XChat.  I used Konversations yesterday and I liked it too.22:16
CosmoHilltripzero: what's the mouse?22:16
hirabayashitaroI don't need any feature, so the most light the best is for me22:17
tripzeroCosmoHill, not sure.  i hear it's this tool that xerox came up with a while back22:17
tripzerostill in wide usage apparently22:17
hirabayashitarolol, no grammar in previous sentence22:17
berndhsI use egalite, made it myself :)22:17
TSCHAKeeexerox didn't come up with it..they borrowed it. ;)22:17
CosmoHillI don't realise how computer proficent I am until I do something and the person next to me blinks cos I did it so far22:17
CosmoHilltripzero: does it need feeding?22:18
tripzeroyes.  mine gobbles up batteries22:18
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smokuCosmoHill, http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/ilug/2006-February/086028.html22:19
CosmoHillwtf22:22
CosmoHilltranslated badly from another language , but still funny22:22
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GAN900Myrtti, cat overload? :P22:37
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MyrttiGAN900: trying to find something nice or funny or something to make my today a bit better day than it has been so far22:38
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Myrttiif a kitty makes me smile, then I'll take 100 pictures of a silly cat22:38
Myrttidon't worry, there's only ten left tho22:38
Myrtti(please let today be over and forgotten soon)22:39
GAN900Myrtti, I'm sorry.22:40
pupnik_http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/downloads  nice linux support22:40
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GAN900Myrtti, I only mention it because I have to prevent myself from filling up my photostream with cat pictures. *g*22:40
Myrttihehe22:40
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Myrttithe cat hasn't ben with my mum for a week now and he did that for the first time now22:42
Myrtti(mum has been in a hospital for a week and the cat has been at mums, now both of them are at my sisters)22:42
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pavlixis it possible to disable myzone?22:49
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ali1234pavlix: i don't think so22:52
pavlixali1234: thanks22:52
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gabrbeddpavlix: If you go into settings, you can disable a lot of the stuff that appears on your MyZone page. (I assume you're talking about the Netbook UX)22:58
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pavlixgabrbedd: in the meantime, I retried my custom xsession23:00
pavlixgabrbedd: and it seems to work fine23:01
pavlixnow I'm only missing my mouse cursor23:03
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ali1234gabrbedd: then you'll just have a useless empty page...23:10
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sivangcan some please note me to the pinetrail imeage?23:13
* sivang is dead tired and pained :)23:13
ali1234the tablet one?23:13
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sivangyep23:13
sivangthe swype one23:13
sivang:)23:13
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ali1234http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla23:13
gabrbeddali1234: All I want on that page are app icons.  For my workflows... all the MyZone stuff is already useless.23:13
* sivang kisses ali1234 23:13
ali1234(dunno if that has swype)23:13
sivangit has teh elsa23:13
sivangelsa23:13
sivangesla23:13
sivangbah23:14
sivangso it has to be it23:14
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mikhasali1234,  it has swype keyboard - see next page23:22
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ali1234mikhas: you expect me to read all that click-though rubbish?23:22
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sivanggabrbedd: pintrail?23:22
mikhasthat's why I am telling you23:22
ali1234heh :)23:23
mikhasit's even the default keyboard23:23
ali1234this image works on ideapad right?23:23
mikhasyup23:23
Stskeepsright23:23
Stskeepsit is a bit rough around the edges but fairly nice23:23
ali1234ok, will install it in a moment23:23
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mikhassaw it on jukey's ideapad yesterday23:23
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ali1234can't be worse than handset... can it?23:23
sivangali1234: yes23:23
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mikhasfeels better, but yeah, rough23:23
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gabrbeddsivang: huh?23:24
sivangmikhas: very nice *POC*23:24
mikhaspixelated thumbnails23:24
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sivangmikhas: I did not see them pixlated23:24
sivanghmm23:24
sivangbut it would be nice if we could do soemthign about the resoltion23:24
mikhassivang, time to get glasses?23:24
sivangmikhas: they are already there23:24
sivangmikhas: I will recheck23:24
mikhasobviously you got cheated then23:24
mikhas:-)23:24
sivangheh23:24
mikhasmight be the resolution in general, didnt have much time to play with it23:25
mikhasit's definitely just a showcase for now23:25
ali1234it's a standard mic image? just dd to usb?23:25
mikhasthe application manager just lists fake apps23:25
gabrbeddali1234: Tablet UX?  Yes.23:26
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mikhasanyways, it shows that the ideapad has a nice multitouch-capable display23:27
mikhaspinch zoom for example23:27
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sivangStskeeps: does one have to get the -madde raw image if he wants to deploye qt creator apps/qml into it?23:29
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lcukmikhas,23:30
lcuk-mikhas,23:30
lcuksorry, lol23:30
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jonnor+mikhas23:30
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* sivang lieks the channel quite on this time of the day.23:30
mikhasam I zero again?23:31
sivangStskeeps: ddi you see the video tutorials that I wanted to have like windows phone has?23:31
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ali1234sivang: like screencasts?23:32
ali1234http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/23:32
sivangI used microsoft videos as an examples because they felt very dead easy to get started with, probably unfortunate timing, but I had no idea of what is coming upon us :)23:33
sivangit is somehwere in the bug report.23:33
sivanganyway23:33
ali1234i mean, you can probably look at how ubuntu does it23:34
sivanghttp://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/meego-application-development-walkthrough23:34
sivangDanny does a fair job as well.23:34
sivangali1234: it feels lilke I am talking to myself :)23:34
sivangali1234: when you say 'ubuntu, ubuntu'23:34
ali1234what do you mean?23:35
sivangon this occasion, it would be nice to get some feedback about this videos23:35
ali1234well, it's asking me for a password...23:35
sivangali1234: never mind, I'm tried and with soem flu drugs23:35
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sivang:)23:35
sivangali1234: user:meego password:developer23:35
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sivangif you can add feedback onto the thread in the mailing list that'd be nice.23:36
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ali1234well, first video is not very useful to me23:36
sivangdneary_: have you created a bug report for the qml documentation not reflecting inheritence from video walkthrough?23:37
sivangali1234: feebdackn on the m, please23:37
sivangali1234: ml23:37
dneary_sivang, I don't think so23:37
ali1234which one?23:37
sivangdneary_: okay, I'm going to do that now.23:37
dneary_sivang, The week's been a bit of a blur :)23:37
sivangali1234: are you following the mailing lists?23:37
ali1234some of them23:37
ali1234there's so many, i'm not sure23:37
sivangdneary_: yes, but I insist going forward :)23:37
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dneary_It definitely makes sense to list all properties the way you can list all methods of the object23:38
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sivangali1234: one thing ubuntu taught me. Is to get along with 1k's of emails a day :)23:38
ali1234they keep adding more at a rate faster than i can subscribe to them23:38
dneary_sivang, Thanks for taking it on23:38
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sivangdneary_: sure, the thing is that if we had a clause saying look at the base class that would be good23:38
ali1234oh, i already get about 2k of emails from various mailing lists, only about 25% of it is meego23:38
sivangdneary_: or is there already in the subclassed thing?23:38
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sivangali1234: threads? :)23:38
sivanganyways.23:38
sivangI'll send you the link23:39
ali1234yes, gmail threads them nicely23:39
sivangjust a sec.23:39
* sivang loses a finger and goes to search mailing list archives.23:39
sivangfor soem reason, google has hard time indexing them23:39
ali1234if you just tell me which ML it was, that will do23:39
sivangmeego-community23:39
ali1234ok, i think i am on that one23:39
sivangdneary_ kindly commented, I started23:39
sivangali1234: tell me what you think about the alleged documentation bug through the qml entity inheritence23:40
ali1234ugh, these videos only cover QML... do not want23:40
dneary_sivang, From what I saw, the NumberAnimation class inherits from a PropertyAnimation class, and the PropertyAnimation class includes a duration23:40
sivangdneary_: and the docs for the sunbclass do not mention it is subclassed?23:41
* sivang thinks it did last time he checked23:41
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* sivang does not pay attention to spelling right now, please bare with me :)23:41
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CosmoHillif I can read what I've written then reading what you've written is easy23:42
dneary_sivang, The docs for NumberAnimation, here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-numberanimation.html23:42
dneary_mention two properties: from & to23:42
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sivangdneary_: I see and propety do not23:43
sivangbug in the qml docs genrator for most likely23:43
dneary_sivang, You can see "inherits from..." and you have a link "list of all members, including inherited"23:43
sivangyep23:43
dneary_But you don't see duration anywhere in the page23:43
sivangand from / to are not there23:43
sivanghmm no23:44
dneary_hmm what?23:44
sivanghttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-numberanimation-members.html23:44
sivangdneary_: you need to follow the link23:45
sivang"inherited"23:45
sivangand tis there23:45
sivangclick duration and it takes you back to the parent class23:45
sivanga bit odd, I agree23:45
sivangbut more of a usabitliy bug I guess23:45
dneary_Ah, yes, the properties are there23:45
sivangcan you see it?23:45
sivanghow do I descrive this..23:45
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dneary_So it's not a bug, so much as a suggestion to show how the documentation works :)23:46
sivangyes23:46
sivangusability enhacement23:46
sivangbut it needs to be comunicated23:46
sivangand -sdk did not respond23:46
sivangor did I cc them?23:46
dneary_Referring to the docs in the videos, and then using a property that you can't see from the docs, well, it's a small think, but I noticed it23:47
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sivangdneary_: if you noticed it, others would be confused at this.23:48
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