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| niala1 | CosmoHill: quiet when meegoboyle is not here :) | 00:08 |
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| CosmoHill | nice isn't it | 00:08 |
| niala1 | yes but nothing to read | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | it's rather not read than read merde | 00:09 |
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| berndhs | I can make up some press releases if you want :) | 00:10 |
| niala1 | give me your spe if you want, but i m pretty sure i can't help you | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | COMPANY is doomed if UNANNOUNCED PRODUCT does not succeed | 00:11 |
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| slaine | I enjoyed meegoboy earlier | 00:20 |
| slaine | distracted me from the shit storm at work | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: you sick sick...oh that troll? | 00:20 |
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| mikhas | :-) | 00:20 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: lol | 00:21 |
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| slaine | You where right the first impression | 00:21 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago_home: Still here | 00:33 |
| thiago_home | hi | 00:33 |
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| vladbph | Hi, does meego let changing thread priority with SCHED_OTHER policy? min and max are set to 0... anyway to change it? | 00:35 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 00:36 |
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| Khertan | is there any vnc client on MeeGo Netbook | 00:37 |
| Khertan | ? | 00:38 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: Do your metrics include number of downloads from the meego.com server for the different releases ? | 00:39 |
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| niala1 | Khertan: not package yet but tigervnc compil if i remember right | 00:41 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: I wish | 00:41 |
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| slaine | Awe well | 00:41 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: because of the way that things are set up with mirrors, it's impossible to get an accurate count right now | 00:41 |
| Khertan | niala1: hum ... ok thx | 00:41 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: ah yes, I remember that being discussed with mshaver at one of the community office meetings | 00:42 |
| niala1 | Khertan: maybe in public repos | 00:42 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: upside is that I'm meeting with Mr. kernel.org tomorrow and will chat with him about ideas for being able to measure it | 00:43 |
| slaine | cool, that'll be a great metric to have | 00:43 |
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| niala1 | it can be interresting to have metric for madde to ? | 00:44 |
| niala1 | -r | 00:45 |
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| niala1 | to have idea how many people can dev for meego on no meego os | 00:45 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, i'm getting loads of ext3 inode errrors on booting the joggler image :-( | 01:19 |
| vgrade | oh, not had that error | 01:21 |
| arfoll | old friend? | 01:21 |
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| vgrade | I've had some problems in the past with sdcards if you pull the power at the wrong time | 01:22 |
| arfoll | i guess i didn't do a sync... | 01:22 |
| vgrade | ah sync, yes | 01:23 |
| arfoll | i'm re-dd'ing anyways i'll see if it gets bette | 01:23 |
| vgrade | always | 01:23 |
| arfoll | i got a bit exited, and the usb stick had written it a good 30 minutes ago | 01:23 |
| vgrade | I'm installing your xbmc-gles | 01:23 |
| arfoll | cool | 01:24 |
| vgrade | eth0, ssh work fine on mine | 01:24 |
| vgrade | uploading a new image now which has the emgd_drv_video.so included this time | 01:24 |
| vgrade | played buck bunny earlier | 01:24 |
| arfoll | oooh perfect, i saw the vid was that with vaapi? | 01:25 |
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| arfoll | theres a gstreamer element that works with vaapi in FOSS, haven't tried it though | 01:25 |
| vgrade | not sure | 01:26 |
| arfoll | http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/gstreamer-vaapi/ | 01:26 |
| arfoll | it's not included in meego and from the gstreamer mailing list it's not considered a great element | 01:26 |
| arfoll | second attempt | 01:27 |
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| vgrade | i've put the qt demos on there as well | 01:28 |
| arfoll | uhm i think my usb stick may be dead | 01:28 |
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| arfoll | can you send me the md5sum of your image? | 01:29 |
| arfoll | the extracted | 01:29 |
| vgrade | blown the raw you have away to make space for the new image | 01:30 |
| vgrade | new image will be up later | 01:30 |
| arfoll | ok, i'm writing onto another stick anyways, the bzip2 extraction didn't complain so i assume the file was ok... | 01:31 |
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| vgrade | you managed to get one of my earlier images running, right | 01:32 |
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| arfoll | yes, the first image you told me about yesterday worked fine, although i didn't do much since networking wasnt up | 01:33 |
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| vgrade | ok, just checking that my image production process is ok | 01:33 |
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| vgrade | just finished libsamplerate, now into xbmc-gles | 01:34 |
| arfoll | is installing the rpms really that slow? | 01:34 |
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| vgrade | yup | 01:37 |
| vgrade | my stick is not very quick | 01:37 |
| arfoll | as long as they work! | 01:37 |
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| vgrade | indeed | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | you talking about SD cards? | 01:39 |
| arfoll | USB sticks | 01:39 |
| arfoll | i'm using the stick i stole at the meego conference now... | 01:39 |
| vgrade | ok installed | 01:40 |
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| arfoll | moment of truth | 01:40 |
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| arfoll | tbh i don't think you'll get past the main XBMC menu | 01:40 |
| vgrade | its up | 01:41 |
| arfoll | and workign" | 01:41 |
| arfoll | ? | 01:41 |
| vgrade | yes, but only with kb and mouse | 01:43 |
| arfoll | wow nice :-) | 01:43 |
| arfoll | normal it's only working with kb/mouse, see this http://www.madeo.co.uk/?page_id=676 for a hack | 01:43 |
| arfoll | btw video playback may not work, theres probably a missing dep somewhere. | 01:44 |
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| makulkar | how to hide my application or window I create from opened applications view? I create a qwidget in my app and I see my app and qwidget preview in running applications list | 01:45 |
| arfoll | btw can you run `avahi-browse -a` (you need avahi-tools I think) on the joggler and tell me if avahi is broken? My lenovo running 1.1.80 doesn't detect any non local services whilst the meego 1.1 netbook is fine with it | 01:45 |
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| meegoman | greetings y'all ... what's new? | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | subtle | 01:47 |
| ljp | heh | 01:48 |
| meegoman | hmm? | 01:48 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, still the same problem on this key | 01:49 |
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| arfoll | i'll wait for your new image | 01:49 |
| vgrade | its going on now | 01:51 |
| arfoll | should i go to bed or is reasonable to wait? | 01:52 |
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| vgrade | 35 mins it will be up | 01:53 |
| arfoll | can you also put the md5sum in the readme? | 01:54 |
| vgrade | slideshow is cool | 01:54 |
| arfoll | is video playback working? | 01:54 |
| vgrade | videos don't play but do thumbnail | 01:54 |
| arfoll | ok i'll fix that tmrw, unfortunately the xbmc build system still doesn't link properly | 01:54 |
| vgrade | audio messed up until I patch the kernel | 01:55 |
| vgrade | weather tab ok | 01:55 |
| arfoll | yeah i noticed that in the previous build, however i'm not too bothered, i'm going to be using pulseaudio native tcp | 01:55 |
| arfoll | the music should play with the visualisations | 01:55 |
| vgrade | holymoly, programs | 01:56 |
| vgrade | not tried this xbmc before | 01:56 |
| vgrade | awsome | 01:56 |
| arfoll | I sense you're becoming a fan | 01:56 |
| arfoll | look in settings->addons | 01:56 |
| vgrade | is there an irc client | 01:57 |
| arfoll | lol dont think s | 01:57 |
| arfoll | o | 01:57 |
| arfoll | but there is launcher, which lets you launch external applications from within XBMC, | 01:57 |
| arfoll | what I do is adapt the python script slightly and get it to open apps on the second openbox desktop and leave XBMC on the first | 01:58 |
| CosmoHill | meegoman: is your first name William? | 01:58 |
| vgrade | arfoll, playing a track killed it | 02:00 |
| vgrade | very good though | 02:00 |
| arfoll | well it is a build from git master... | 02:00 |
| vgrade | can this control other instances | 02:00 |
| arfoll | once i have the joggler running i'll try get an XBMC build working nicer | 02:01 |
| arfoll | unfortunately not directly | 02:01 |
| arfoll | you can share the library with another instance using mysql | 02:01 |
| arfoll | however you have to use the webui to control another instance, or use your nexus one | 02:02 |
| arfoll | lookup the official android XBMC remote on the market | 02:02 |
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| hirabayashitaro | hi, I have a suggestion. what do you think about something like a daily news about meego (expecially dev ones)? I think it could make people not directly involved on the project to stay focused on meego and accidentally catch some developer... | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, do you mean announced in here? | 02:07 |
| lcuk | because there are a number of news sources usable on the web. | 02:08 |
| hirabayashitaro | but they are very sporadic | 02:08 |
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| hirabayashitaro | as far as I know obviously | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | like a weekly update? | 02:10 |
| vgrade | arfoll, just took a video, youtube, vgrade100 | 02:11 |
| vgrade | time to turn in | 02:11 |
| vgrade | for me | 02:11 |
| mikhas | but there's already http://www.mwkn.net/2011/06/front.html | 02:11 |
| hirabayashitaro | something like "today we were working on XY" and some links to bugtracking and stuff | 02:11 |
| CosmoHill | the jelly? | 02:11 |
| arfoll | vgrade, is the image up? | 02:12 |
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| arfoll | i can't see anything else than the bunny vid | 02:13 |
| arfoll | s/else/newer | 02:13 |
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| CosmoHill | hirabayashitaro: one of the problems I see is that when developers are working on stuff, they're working on stuff | 02:13 |
| CosmoHill | like when you're in the zone you keep going, you don't want to stop and write things down even if they'll benifit you / someone later | 02:14 |
| hirabayashitaro | sure you're right but I also think that some suggestions/help could come from outside | 02:16 |
| hirabayashitaro | anyway it was just an idea, and maybe an unuseful one | 02:17 |
| arfoll | hirabayashitaro, whats wrong with daily digests from meego-dev? | 02:17 |
| hirabayashitaro | where are they? | 02:17 |
| vgrade | arfoll, give it a couple of mins, my upload is maxed with the image upload going on as well | 02:17 |
| arfoll | you sign up to the meego-dev mailing list using your meego account and then sign up for the daily digests | 02:17 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, kk - i'm gonna update xbmc-gles so I don't need my patch anymore and try get the normal GL2 build to compile with vaapi | 02:18 |
| vgrade | arfoll, 13mins on the image to go | 02:18 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, that is most useful though, perhaps having something from the top of your xml feed dropped here when people notice its quiet | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | you know, if you watch an iphone advert on mute, they make no sense at all | 02:18 |
| lcuk | so to spark more discussion in a topic | 02:18 |
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| arfoll | how can i put something in a spec that only applies to a specific target? | 02:19 |
| arfoll | in oBS | 02:19 |
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| CosmoHill | yes | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/kernel.spec | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | see the %ifarch sections | 02:21 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, thanks but not what I want | 02:21 |
| arfoll | I want to do something different if building for Meego Current but not do it for Meego 1,1 | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | ah I see | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | there should be a way to do with %release or something but I'm nor familar with it | 02:22 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, video is up, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTWQZgsuuQ | 02:23 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, looks nice. hopefully tmrw evening same time i'll have a much better video ;-) | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: very nice | 02:25 |
| arfoll | the slideshow does look nice, but those are the default pics, so i guess they are tiny, problem is that cximage is not that fast at jpeg decoding :-( | 02:25 |
| vgrade | how do I do the md5 | 02:26 |
| arfoll | just md5sum filename | 02:26 |
| vgrade | of the bz2 | 02:26 |
| arfoll | either is fine | 02:26 |
| CosmoHill | you trying to create an md5sum? | 02:26 |
| vgrade | yup | 02:27 |
| niala1 | xmbc read mp3 divx? | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: md5sum INFILE > INFILE.md5 | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | that's how I do it | 02:27 |
| vgrade | thanks CosmoHill | 02:27 |
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| vgrade | 3mins for the image | 02:29 |
| niala1 | xbmc has his own codec? | 02:30 |
| arfoll | niala1, xbmc uses ffmpeg | 02:31 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, done, with md5 also | 02:32 |
| niala1 | thanks | 02:32 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, good luck, I'm off to bed | 02:33 |
| vgrade | talk tomorrow | 02:33 |
| arfoll | thanks, gd night! | 02:33 |
| vgrade | night | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | cyas p[eople | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | I'm off too | 02:33 |
| vgrade | night CosmoHill | 02:33 |
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| niala1 | night CosmoHill vgrade | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | bonne nuit niala1 | 02:35 |
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| arfoll | download finished, md5's match, bzip2 time | 02:46 |
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| Andy80 | mmm.... | 03:10 |
| Andy80 | so quiet here... | 03:10 |
| Andy80 | I did imagine to join and find an interesting discussion :P | 03:10 |
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| berndhs | you can start one | 03:17 |
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| Andy80 | uhm..... I'll just come back tomorrow when more people will have already read this http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/ | 03:24 |
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| Andy80 | see ya for now | 03:24 |
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| wmarone | Oh Elop, why do you have to pour gasoline on the fire... | 04:21 |
| berndhs | this is probably going to be a really boring presentation on friday | 04:25 |
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| wmarone | I hope so | 04:26 |
| wmarone | that or there will be a million trolls in here | 04:26 |
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| berndhs | announcing that there will be an announcement in Q2, or something | 04:26 |
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| Bugsbane | So what's everyone's take on Meego and Nokia's "big change of direction" this Friday? | 08:05 |
| iekku | there's enough rumours about that, better just wait and see what happens | 08:06 |
| Bugsbane | Hmmmm. Indeed. | 08:07 |
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| timoph | yep. Leave that speculation for techblogs and "analysts" | 08:14 |
| Bugsbane | Just curious what the mood on the ground is | 08:14 |
| * timoph doesn't care :) | 08:15 | |
| Bugsbane | So far, I'm getting "Not good" :/ | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Bugsbane: meego.com goes on nevertheless, imho | 08:16 |
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| Bugsbane | Stskeeps: Thats what I'm hoping! | 08:17 |
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| niala1 | hi | 11:06 |
| niala1 | http://www.myriadgroup.com/Media-Centre/News/Myriad-Announces-Alien%20Dalvik-Enables-Android-Apps-to-Run-on-Non-Android-Phones.aspx | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | yeah, I saw that | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | that's good for MeeGo, but not for Qt | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a bit like Linux and WINE, i think | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's nice to have the applications but may demotivate people to develop for Linux | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:07 |
| niala1 | i m agree | 11:07 |
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| niala1 | it can be like a worm, people start with 'java' then swap to qt :) | 11:09 |
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| thiago_home | hopefully | 11:09 |
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| thiago_home | btw, there's a Qt port to Android too | 11:10 |
| thiago_home | so you can run Qt apps on Android -- especially QML ones | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | how's android market dealing with qt apps? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity | 11:10 |
| thiago_home | I don't know | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:11 |
| thiago_home | I'll ask my friends who have done work on that port | 11:11 |
| thiago_home | I also know of one app in the iPhone App Store with Qt | 11:11 |
| thiago_home | QtCore and QtNetwork, no GUI | 11:11 |
| dm8tbr | for ifruit it would need a commercial qt license though, right? | 11:12 |
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| thiago_home | dm8tbr: for mac? | 11:13 |
| thiago_home | you can't buy a commercial license for something that isn't officially supported | 11:13 |
| dm8tbr | thiago_home: IIRC the ifruit store has a policy that no OSS is allowed | 11:13 |
| thiago_home | so there's no iOS license that one can buy | 11:13 |
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| thiago_home | you can buy Qt for Mac licenses and use the Mac App Store (the new one) | 11:14 |
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| thiago_home | sivang: ping | 11:17 |
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| thiago_home | sivang: drop by in #qt-labs and explain why you needed the authentication cache clearing | 11:25 |
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| petrux | question | 11:37 |
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| petrux | I have an old PIIII laptop... can I install meego to try it? | 11:37 |
| arfoll | if it supports SSSE3 + has intel graphics | 11:38 |
| arfoll | that's three S's | 11:38 |
| petrux | arfoll: uhm... I'm pretty sure about the intel graphics | 11:39 |
| arfoll | petrux, what's the exact CPU model? | 11:39 |
| Aard | petrux: I guess you meant either pIII or pIV, both don't have SSE3, and while it should be possible to install it might fail randomly with funny errors | 11:39 |
| petrux | PIV | 11:40 |
| petrux | in fact | 11:40 |
| arfoll | Aard, i think some P4's prescott and later have SSE3 | 11:40 |
| petrux | no SSSE3 :-( | 11:40 |
| arfoll | yeah i think SSSE3 is core marchitecture. sorry | 11:40 |
| petrux | I'll switch it back to UbuntuStudio :-) | 11:40 |
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| petrux | nevermind | 11:40 |
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| Aard | arfoll: you're right, works since prescott. though can't remember seeing any of those systems in the wild lately | 11:42 |
| arfoll | Aard, i think people still use them as radiators | 11:43 |
| Aard | arfoll: we had a few people working on pIV notebooks, but all of them pre-prescott. they got other boxes after string (!) started failing due to missing sse3 | 11:44 |
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| petrux | Uhm... I bought that laptop 8 years ago. NEVER had a problem. It *rained* on it and it is still "up and running". So... why should I drop it? II'm using it as a mock-veichle and as a music-machine. | 11:46 |
| petrux | :-) | 11:46 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: ping | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo raster | 12:14 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: doczzzz! | 12:15 |
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| raster | RST38h: burrrp! | 12:18 |
| dm8tbr | speaking of burp, munchtime! | 12:19 |
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| jonni | is there any progress on bug 12777? would be nice to get touch events working back in Qt applications or do I need to downgrade from daily trunk to some older meego release :) | 12:24 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12777 maj, High, ---, peng.li, NEW, [REG]IVI: QT apps not respond to touch events | 12:24 |
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| obit_sweden | Anyone knows any thing about Myriad Dalvik for meego ? will it be available as opensource or will it be strictly commercial ? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it'd be oss | 13:48 |
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| obit_sweden | It could potentially be a boost for meego I guess but I wonde about licensing issues with Oracle | 13:53 |
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| oilinki | meego development has stopped? | 14:14 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 14:14 |
| oilinki | at least Reuters is claiming this http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/nokia-meego-idUSLDE7180X420110209 | 14:15 |
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| CosmoHill | meego development is definatly moving forward | 14:16 |
| poutsi | geez, rtfa | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTWQZgsuuQ | 14:16 |
| jnwi | An earlier device was canceled, not MeeGo | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | oilinki: we're still here and at work.. | 14:16 |
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| oilinki | ok. I really hope so! | 14:16 |
| oilinki | and yes. the reuters news can be read as first device, not the platform. | 14:17 |
| jnwi | "can be"? The third line of text says "Could unveil next MeeGo device later this week -analysts" | 14:18 |
| jnwi | It's pretty clear about a single device being canceled | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't horribly unusual in a company.. | 14:20 |
| oilinki | ah.. ok. my mistake. sorry! I was reading the news from a finnish translation at first... I'll be quiet for now :) | 14:20 |
| poutsi | well, I didn't mean to sound so cranky, so I'm sorry too | 14:22 |
| poutsi | now let's all wait for The Announcement shall we? :) | 14:22 |
| arfoll | just a few days till MWC | 14:22 |
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| oilinki | poutsi: no prob. I'm just a bit afraid nokia would drop meego and go for w7. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | i still really don't understand how anyone would want to base on windows ce and silverlight/xna | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | my mac keeps telling me to update my silverlight and then telling me that they don't support powerpc anymore | 14:27 |
| iekku | can't wait tomorrow | 14:28 |
| iekku | the rumours must be HUGE then | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: friday, isn't it | 14:28 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, what comes on friday, we just have to live with that, but since the rumours are already this, they must be even worse tomorrow | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | i do want to slap whoever put feature freeze weeks together with this announcement though | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | not good for the mental health | 14:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:30 |
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| alterego | Nokia haven't given up on MeeGo, I still bet it's their goal. | 14:30 |
| jnwi | Stskeeps: if they start changing timelines before the announcement, someone will be able to put 2+2 together | 14:31 |
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| arfoll | personally I think Nokia have dropped the plans for ARM smartphone and are going to use Intel in the first meego device (bet it smartphone/tablet/netbook device) | 14:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | arkub: I personally disagree | 14:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: so what'll happen with MeeGo? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: why do you think i'd know? :) | 14:37 |
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| Stskeeps | meego goes on no matter what, isn't a bad system at all | 14:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | I just hope it will go on | 14:38 |
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| Venemo_N900 | it would be bad for nokia if they became just another android/wincrap7 manufacturer | 14:38 |
| CosmoHill | would also be a huge waste of money | 14:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | but I don't really care about them that much, as long as meego becomes mainstream someday anyway. | 14:39 |
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| Jaffa | arfoll: Nokia shipping their "we need this to succeed to convince people we can compete in the next-gen mobile OS space" device on an hardware platform which isn't well known (to both work generally for mobile use cases, and within Nokia) would be madness. | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | IMHO | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | employees and time cost money | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: so if now Nokia quits, MeeGo would still go on, right? | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: but what happens if Inter quits too? | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | s/ Inter/Intel | 14:40 |
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| ngessia | can i run meego on android phone ? | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | ngessia: if you can port it, yes | 14:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | nghtwsh: on some of them, yes. | 14:41 |
| arfoll | Jaffa, general consumer doesn't give a damn wether it's arm/intel | 14:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | also the bootloader is unlocked, Google Nexus phones are | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Why should Intel quit? | 14:41 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: they shouldn't, but neither should Nokia | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Venemo: And what makes you think Meego is so exclusive? Anyone with resources can come up with another Linux based mobile OS | 14:42 |
| gabrbedd | Guys... it really doesn't accomplish anything to speculate before Friday. | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Venemo: And how do you know what Nokia should or should not do? =) | 14:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: right, I don't. however it is the right thing to do. | 14:42 |
| sx0n | nokia is hiring 66 meego dudes btw. | 14:42 |
| ngessia | can i get meego to run on a VM ? | 14:43 |
| sx0n | i would read that quite strong commitment to meego | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Depends on your goals | 14:43 |
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| CosmoHill | ngessia: there are guides on the wiki and forum | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | Venemo: If your goal is to have a semi-open-source mobile OS, then yes | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Venemo: If your goal is to increase the market share and please investors, then you might choose a completley different approach | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | Having said that, releasing YET ANOTHER Android or (god prohibit) WP7 phone is unlikely to make you a huge profit | 14:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: agreed | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Not because they suck, but mostly becase the market is already crowded and you will not be able to offer anything new | 14:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | agreed | 14:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe they'll just announce symbian EOL? | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | Yea, right. | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | The above does not automatically mean they will not switch to WP7 or Android | 14:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | right | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Their CEO may have other considerations (like, quickly doing what the investors want, insuring good bonus for himself, then leaving quickly) | 14:47 |
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| RST38h | That is also a strategy, with a goal. Just because you do not like the goal, does not make it an unfeasible strategy :) | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Or maybe he will merge Nokia with Microsoft. Or, open a production line at the dark side of the Moon. We simply do not know. | 14:48 |
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| Jaffa | arfoll: They care if the battery life is shit. | 14:55 |
| arfoll | Jaffa, medfield batterry life should be competitive. saying x86 == terrible battery life is a little old ;-) | 14:56 |
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| arfoll | mooretown power requirements are not as high as tegra2 | 14:56 |
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| Jaffa | arfoll: My point is that very few devices have shipped in the consumer space with that platform, so it's an unknown. It's also not what Nokia have experience with, so'd be a big risk; unless loads of Intel engineers have been working very closely at Nokia to tune every little last thing. | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | arfoll: I don't rule it out, but it'd be risky. | 14:59 |
| arfoll | to me it makes sense if they use meego, why not put all of Intel's engineering to use since they're providing it! | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I 100% agree with you on those points | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | launching a completely new hw-platform together with a new OS is so extremely risky, it is almost guaranteed to fail on first few deadlines / 00-devices | 15:31 |
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| Jaffa | Given that Nokia (assuming strategy doesn't change fundamentally in the MeeGo space) *need* MeeGo to make an impression, the risk would... | 15:32 |
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| jnwi | What's acceptable risk at this point, though? Jumping in the sea and all that... | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it takes at least 2 prototypes usually, to get the hw platform stable | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jnwi: switching hw platform isn't jumping the sea, it's more like holding on to a rocket and hoping you can ride it | 15:34 |
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| Jaffa | jnwi: Indeed. Given the tone of Elop's memo... | 15:35 |
| jnwi | Doc, haha | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's absolutely zero chances you can keep your timelines and don't face silicon bugs and whatnot | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | jumping into thee sea? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | are they going for Mer? | 15:36 |
| jnwi | DocScrutinizer: I'm not entirely convinced. This *is* Intel x86 after all, despite the form factor. Are silicon bugs really that much more likely than with any new Intel chipset? ahem... | 15:37 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: I've just placed an order for a .net book, want me to get you one too ;) | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and look at meego, though it's a supposedly 'simple' port of an almost identical system (wrt maemo) to a welknown hw, you see things get messed up by importing drivers and stuff from "upstream" that don't work together well with this known hw platform as they never were optimized for it | 15:37 |
| jnwi | Stskeeps: lol | 15:37 |
| sivang | thiago: done | 15:38 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: :) | 15:38 |
| sivang | I wish people would stop telling me they will hire me if I do Andoird or iPhone :-) | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | jnwi: that's showing nicely what can, and will, happen on such an endeavor: you are thinking of a new phone as a CPU with a screen and battery. It's WAY more than that | 15:38 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: hehe | 15:39 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: (read your second comment) | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first of all a battery powered device like a phone NEEDS to be designed from scratch to be *completely* IRQ driven | 15:40 |
| jnwi | It's quite true that it's more than that, but it's also true that Intel has been planning this ever since the first generation Atom launched | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and every single subsystem, every unused gate, has to enter low power state | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui for now meego sensorfw is based on a polling concept, and that will fubar handset UX power consumption until eventually it gets radically fixed | 15:42 |
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| jnwi | And how is that a hardware issue? | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you do same mistakes for hw design, fixing it is factor 1000 more expensive | 15:42 |
| jnwi | ah, that's what you meant | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jnwi: see, another good example. It's hw realted, as a proper concept needs to exploit sensor IRQs, not poll | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IRQ == hw | 15:43 |
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| jnwi | uh, yeah, but if the software is doing polling, that's still a software issue | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you just missed to put IRQs to purpose though hw supports them. Imagine hw design forgot to implement proper IRQ for that | 15:44 |
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| jnwi | Why the hell would a hardware design forget to implement that | 15:44 |
| jnwi | But like I said, I get your general point | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | imagine it turns out your chosen chips don't support IRQs in the way you need | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that'S what I meant by silicon errata | 15:45 |
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| jnwi | yeah, I'm getting your general point | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or general risk in launching a new hw platform | 15:46 |
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| LjL | Stskeeps, excuse me, the thing at http://www.talkandroid.com/134-android-nokia-n810-install/ - this is not nitdroid, is it? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | ancient android port | 15:52 |
| LjL | it looks like it can dual boot though, nitdroid can't, right? | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | what do i know | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:54 |
| LjL | what do you know? O.o | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, never dealt with nitdroid | 15:54 |
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| LjL | Stskeeps: ah... sorry, i thought you were involved with it for some reason | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 15:54 |
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| Jaffa | LjL: NITdroid can dual boot. But I don't know if it's compatible with the uboot dual boot of MeeGo/PR1.3 | 15:59 |
| LjL | Jaffa: thanks. i'm actually on an N810 though, i asked here mainly because Stskeeps was here and i thought he was involved =) | 16:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | LjL: this is OT here. see #nitdroid | 16:01 |
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| niala1 | df -h | 16:05 |
| niala1 | arf | 16:05 |
| dneary | Hi | 16:05 |
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| sivang | hmm | 16:36 |
| sivang | has anybody seen neil's post to -community? | 16:36 |
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| sivang | so much fake noise :) | 16:39 |
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| dm8tbr | fake noise? I could sell you this barely used real additive white gaussian noise! | 16:39 |
| dm8tbr | my other offers include white and pink noise | 16:40 |
| dneary | sivang, Which one? | 16:40 |
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| dneary | Ah Niels Mayer | 16:40 |
| dneary | "what's happening with MeeGo?" | 16:40 |
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| dneary | I guess we find out on Friday | 16:41 |
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| Jaffa | Well, then we find out what's happening with Nokia | 16:41 |
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| dneary | Supposedly N9 was cancelled | 16:41 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Indeed | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | dneary: What happens with MeeGo is tightly coupled with that | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | how can a device be cancelled that was never announced? | 16:41 |
| RST38h | dneary: Which is what we already knew | 16:41 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: hehe! | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I look forward to Nokia shipping the announced OMAP3 Harmattan device then ;-p | 16:41 |
| dneary | MeeGo on ARM may well be dead in the water | 16:41 |
| dneary | RST38h, You might have, I didn't | 16:42 |
| RST38h | dneary: The real question is whether Harmattan is cancelled | 16:42 |
| sivang | dneary: says rueters? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: we're still on the job, so, doubt it | 16:42 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Easy - "The product is cancelled, we're cutting our losses. Move on!" | 16:42 |
| sivang | N9 was cancelled? when? :) | 16:42 |
| dm8tbr | what's a n9? *scnr* | 16:42 |
| dneary | sivang, Look up "reuters N9 cancelled" | 16:42 |
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| sivang_ | so I lost all previous comments due to lag, thansk freenode | 16:45 |
| sivang_ | :) | 16:45 |
| sivang_ | actually, my isp, freenode are okay. | 16:45 |
| sivang | I'm out of the loop | 16:46 |
| sivang | Jaffa: heh | 16:46 |
| sivang | oh it is the us edition | 16:46 |
| sivang | okay so now I wait anxiously for Friday | 16:46 |
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| Milhouse | dneary: surely the RM-680 was cancelled... the N9 may still appear (or maybe not, but that would be suicide in my books) | 16:46 |
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| sivang_ | RM-680 ? :) | 16:46 |
| Milhouse | device name for what was to be the N9, apparently. | 16:46 |
| sivang_ | ah yes, so says goole | 16:46 |
| Milhouse | big difference between cancelling the RM-680, and cancelling the N9 | 16:46 |
| sivang_ | yes, so changing the hardware not killing the project | 16:47 |
| Milhouse | correct | 16:47 |
| dneary | Milhouse, http://www.esphoneblog.com/2011/02/09/reuters-nokia-officially-kills-their-first-meego-phone/ | 16:47 |
| Ans5i | difficult to kill something that does not exists | 16:48 |
| Milhouse | yep seen it, just what the russian bogger was bogging about a week or two ago | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK <- fun | 16:49 |
| Milhouse | all rumours, speculation, conjecture | 16:49 |
| javispedro | I'm in denial! | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Get out of Egypt, it's not safe! | 16:50 |
| javispedro | ;) | 16:50 |
| sivang_ | Milhouse: bogger? :) | 16:50 |
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| Jaffa | sivang_: Sounds like an accurate description of eldar... | 16:50 |
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| Milhouse | sivang: well, most of what boggers write is utter toilet... :) | 16:50 |
| sivang_ | now this is what I call FUD | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 16:51 |
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| sivang_ | yes, what difference does it make for users if it is one platform or other? | 16:51 |
| sivang_ | "kill first phone" | 16:51 |
| sivang_ | that's like Daily Mail headlines | 16:51 |
| Ans5i | i suppose that meant n900? | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | Whatever it is, somebody needs to kick something out the door somewhere. | 16:52 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo's long walk to irrelevance is growing shorter. | 16:52 |
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| Ans5i | it's nice to have buzz not just zzZzzZzz :) | 16:54 |
| sivang_ | Stskeeps: so the stock has risen? | 16:54 |
| sivang_ | Ans5i: hehe | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | sivang_: quite | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | try click 3d one | 16:54 |
| dm8tbr | here, talk about some real handset ux on real hardware - http://www.openaos.org/archives/666 ;) | 16:54 |
| sivang_ | Stskeeps: I was retorical :) | 16:54 |
| dm8tbr | no need to spread gossip | 16:54 |
| sivang_ | dm8tbr: nahh, we like gossip | 16:54 |
| sivang_ | dm8tbr: and cnojucture | 16:54 |
| sivang_ | :) | 16:54 |
| Milhouse | Ans5i: Just not this kind of buzz... :) | 16:54 |
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| sivang_ | Stskeeps: I'd say there is a non-defition point in math speak :) | 16:56 |
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| sivang_ | Milhouse: haha | 16:57 |
| sivang_ | Milhouse: (I have a delay, the stock fascinated me) | 16:57 |
| sivang_ | Stskeeps: where the 3d? | 16:57 |
| toninikkanen | i wish friday was here already, would cut away most of the crap rumors | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | toninikkanen: +1 | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | sivang_: ok, 5d then | 16:58 |
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| mwichmann | don't count on it | 16:58 |
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| mwichmann | (cutting away rumors) | 16:59 |
| sivang_ | toninikkanen: yes, I just realied it is not tomorrow as well | 16:59 |
| Ans5i | well that i know, that nokia has not been most commented on crapget for a while. and now it is. | 16:59 |
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| sivang_ | Ans5i: right, crapgadet are starting to realize they will start to write a lot more about Nokia if they want to stay in the game :) | 17:00 |
| toninikkanen | i was using engadget as test data for an app i was making but i had to switch to something else since i was getting annoyed at the rumour news. i'll use aljazeera.com now | 17:00 |
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| sivang_ | toninikkanen: LOLOL, and I am saying this as an Israeli :) | 17:00 |
| ngessia | isnt meego KDE mobile channel ? | 17:01 |
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| sivang_ | toninikkanen: they are becoming not bad lately :-D | 17:01 |
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| Milhouse | toninikkanen: aljazeera does have less of an agenda than engadget... | 17:01 |
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| sivang | lol | 17:01 |
| RST38h | toninikkanen: go with www.dailyrotten.com, it has never failed to deliver | 17:01 |
| sivang | and there's always the onion | 17:01 |
| sivang | to learn about Apple's new directions | 17:02 |
| Milhouse | And the BBC for all the latest Apple news | 17:02 |
| RST38h | The Onion is actually future news, camouflaged as satire | 17:02 |
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| sivang | RST38h: indeed. | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | Speaking of Apple news: http://gizmodo.com/#!5755736/gramophone-style-comes-to-iphone-with-arkcanary-ii | 17:03 |
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| ngessia | some one once told me linux is just a test bed for apple softwaer | 17:04 |
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| sivang | who'd thunk it?! :) | 17:05 |
| Milhouse | Anyone watch BBC Click? I do, though not sure why. They have a segment at the end, covering the web, where they highlighted some mobile app showing OS logos on the companies website where they have support for iOS, Android, Blackberry and Symbian yet only the first three were considered worthy of a mention on BBC Click... I tweeted @click asking why they neglected to mention support for Symbian, | 17:05 |
| Milhouse | but just got blanked which sums up the BBC. | 17:05 |
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| Milhouse | "sums up the BBC and their attitude towards Nokia/Symbian/etc" | 17:06 |
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| ngessia | BBC = anglo saxon hype channel | 17:06 |
| RST38h | moo, qgil | 17:06 |
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| qgil | morning RST38h | 17:06 |
| sivang | this is the same attitude here, although the E7 is marketed nicely as a first symbian device to emerge in commercials and web ads | 17:07 |
| RST38h | ngessia: eh? | 17:07 |
| Milhouse | ngessia: sometimes useful, but useless for tech | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | toninikkanen, unless it's accompanied by meaningful information, I doubt it. :) | 17:08 |
| Milhouse | ngessia: mmm yes, your comment could be taken in several ways - are you saying they hype the anglo saxon? I'll stop paying my licence fee in that case, as I'm left out! | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | Milhouse: Then the anglo saxons will come to your house with pitchforks and get medieval on you! | 17:09 |
| ngessia | :) | 17:09 |
| Milhouse | RST38h: I'll go Viking on them in that case. :) | 17:10 |
| toninikkanen | and in the end the police will arrest both the french and the british.. no wait | 17:10 |
| Milhouse | Or maybe Braveheart. | 17:10 |
| ngessia | there can be only 1 | 17:10 |
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| sivang | I like Viking Lines ship, so red and pretty | 17:11 |
| ngessia | to rule them all | 17:11 |
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| ngessia | its the pitch fork vs the axes battlel | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | Axes. | 17:14 |
| ngessia | i think google should be sueed by using free softwear and turning it proprietary TM | 17:14 |
| ngessia | by= for | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | android, WP7, no - we're forgetting the -real- dive into the unknown, rebase on Mer: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_0BICmUIFTZU/Sm2WuMtJRPI/AAAAAAAAAD4/iw9Q6cSV490/mer_artwork43.jpg | 17:16 |
| ngessia | one of the gpl rules is to give back any modificationbs to the doftwear back to the community | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | ngessia: android isn't gpl | 17:16 |
| ngessia | but its based on gpl | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 17:16 |
| ngessia | the linux kernel is gpl | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but that only goes for the kernel | 17:17 |
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| arfoll | it's irrelevant because vendors have shown they don't care about licensing and respecting them | 17:17 |
| ngessia | most gnu toolkit is gpl also | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ngessia: they don't use a typical gnu userland | 17:17 |
| arfoll | they dont use typical kernel either | 17:18 |
| sivang | they did changes to the kernel to support BIGFILES or something, but they released it no? | 17:18 |
| sivang | or BIGFS, whatever they call it these days | 17:18 |
| * slaine laughes at milo's email to community | 17:18 | |
| arfoll | sivang, i suggest : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux_compatibility | 17:18 |
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| sivang | arfoll: I was taking about their inhouse file systems | 17:19 |
| sivang | arfoll: but I guess if they don't sell it they don't need to release nothing | 17:19 |
| sivang | "Android's kernel was derived from Linux but has been tweaked by Google outside the main Linux kernel tree" | 17:19 |
| sivang | what does this mean in practice? | 17:20 |
| sivang | that they develoepd outside of the kernel tree and so they do not need to put back changes? | 17:20 |
| arfoll | it means that drivers written for android don't work in linux | 17:20 |
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| ngessia | i think the gpl stats all drivative work has to be given back to the comunity | 17:20 |
| arfoll | greg KG on the topic : http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | ngessia: nop | 17:21 |
| ccooke | ngessia: it does, and the android SDK does include the kernel source | 17:21 |
| sivang | oh and there's there the copy paste of java code from Oracle | 17:21 |
| Milhouse | Android is licensed under Apache2, no? | 17:21 |
| ccooke | ngessia: but the GPL talks about the community at large, not any specific grouping within it. | 17:21 |
| arfoll | Milhouse, parts of the OS written by google yes | 17:21 |
| ngessia | thats what i was refering to | 17:22 |
| sivang | this mer looks pretty | 17:22 |
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| qgil | I mujst laugh every time someone misspells Maemo with "Meamo". This time is no less than The Register. Meamo = "ilovemyself" in Spanish | 17:30 |
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| slaine | The Register, that pinnacle of internet journalism | 17:31 |
| Milhouse | Nah, that's The Inquirer (.net) | 17:32 |
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| qgil | The Register is not the worst I have read - but these days most of them are scoring pretty low, I must say :) | 17:34 |
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| Milhouse | Is that because they're so far off base, Quim? ;-) | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | i think friday evening will probably be a good time for beers, no matter what | 17:35 |
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| GAN900 | Milhouse, ha. | 17:36 |
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| Milhouse | GAN900: Well, it was worth a try. :) | 17:36 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: sorry but I don't do beers for breakfast | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | didn't say which timezone ;) | 17:37 |
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| Stskeeps | man, the nokia proxy is unstable today | 17:37 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: sorry, I assumed IRC timezone | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:38 |
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| toninikkanen | today I found out I am constantly misreading "memo" as "maemo" | 17:39 |
| toninikkanen | as in, the burning platform maemo | 17:39 |
| slaine | I never got how to pronounce it, is it may-no or is it my-mo | 17:39 |
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| slaine | s/may-no/may-mo/ | 17:40 |
| infobot | slaine meant: I never got how to pronounce it, is it may-mo or is it my-mo | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | may-mo, i think | 17:40 |
| Milhouse | finding maemo, but with an n. | 17:40 |
| mihero | maybe it was misspell on elops memo and it was meant to say burning maemo and putting fate to meego:) | 17:40 |
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| Milhouse | s/n./m./ | 17:40 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: finding maemo, but with an m. | 17:40 |
| Milhouse | oh never mind. | 17:40 |
| Milhouse | confusing myself now. | 17:41 |
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| GAN900 | slaine, given it was invented by a Spaniard and delivered by a Finnish company, I'd argue "my-mo" is most correct (given that it's an invented word). | 17:42 |
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| Milhouse | i thought it was invented by a random number generator? | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | It's certainly the most common pronunciation. | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | Milhouse, password generator being run by a Spaniard. | 17:43 |
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| toninikkanen | what's the story behind this ? | 17:43 |
| slaine | I've always said it like Stskeeps, may-mo. But all the Fins and qgil seemed to say my-mo at meegoconf | 17:43 |
| Milhouse | ah, that Balaric influence flowed through the keyboard, obviously. | 17:43 |
| Milhouse | or maybe it was Galician | 17:43 |
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| toninikkanen | i am using the finnish pronunciation.. and that is, of course, mae-mo | 17:44 |
| qgil | m a e m o, each vowel standing on its own feet without any saxxon diftongs | 17:44 |
| toninikkanen | (but to get this you have to NOT read this with English mode in your head) | 17:44 |
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| GAN900 | Anybody got the blog post handy? | 17:44 |
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| toninikkanen | ie. the 1994 recording from Linus Torvalds on how to pronounce Linux.. comes to mind | 17:44 |
| Milhouse | so, in simple terms, is it me-mo or may-mo? | 17:44 |
| Milhouse | or neither? | 17:45 |
| qgil | http://stezz.blogspot.com/2008/10/where-maemo-is-coming-from.html | 17:45 |
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| Milhouse | and will it really matter come saturday? ;) | 17:45 |
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| Milhouse | (anyone from nokia, feel free to chime in at this point) | 17:46 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ? | 17:49 |
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| GAN900 | Milhouse, my-mo, basically. | 17:59 |
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| GAN900 | There's a third syllable in the middle of some people's pronunciation, though. | 17:59 |
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| Milhouse | GAN900: Thanks, that's how I say it although sometimes I slip and say me-mo. | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | I've cured myself of may-mo. | 18:00 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Do we have a call now? | 18:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | when does Elop give his "announcement" ? | 18:07 |
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| bzhb | friday | 18:08 |
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| niala1 | how many space need madde ? It seem that 800Mo isn't enough | 18:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh wait, that's right, it's thursday. | 18:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | my brain skipped a day | 18:10 |
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| rainland | boom | 18:11 |
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| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, it's Wednesday! | 18:14 |
| * TSCHAKeee looks at clock. | 18:14 | |
| * TSCHAKeee laughs profusely | 18:14 | |
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| TSCHAKeee | okay, i think i need to go back to bed | 18:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 18:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | wake me up on Friday. ;) | 18:15 |
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| bzhb | have you read endgadget editorial on nokia ? | 18:19 |
| bzhb | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/editorial-engadget-on-nokias-friday-announcement/ | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | bzhb: Dare to guess? | 18:20 |
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| niala_ | funny, meego use chrome/chromium and nokia will, may be, use android | 18:21 |
| dneary | what time will that thing be on Friday? Anyone live-blogging it? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: 12:30pm i think | 18:22 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, For who? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | UK time | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://cmd.nokia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=107224&p=irol-cmd10_overview | 18:22 |
| dneary | OK, 14:30 Finland time | 18:22 |
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| * Stskeeps still doesn't believe in a platform change considering how much retraining and effort was needed for maemo->meego or gtk->qt | 18:23 | |
| Stskeeps | (personal opinion) | 18:24 |
| sandst1 | Stskeeps: wouldn't be the first sw project thrown to the garbage can though.. | 18:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've seen far more stupid moves... | 18:25 |
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| sandst1 | but anyways, friday we'll know a bit more :) | 18:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | but, honestly, any platform change now would cause massive delays | 18:25 |
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| TSCHAKeee | that would only be substantiated by massive developer and management changes | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | as TSCHAKeee said, unless there was a hidden android/wp7/whatever project started at same time as meego | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:26 |
| sandst1 | :) | 18:26 |
| Matan[M] | someone know something about nokia and WP7 or other OS? I hope that Nokia will remain at Meego | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | wait for friday | 18:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the thing to note here, is that no matter what, meego goes on. | 18:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee | nokia does not own it. neither does intel. it is fostered by the linux foundation. | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: i'd be a bit unhappy if the maintainers and some nokia components, including qt, went away, though | 18:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh, me too | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | it'd be a loss in development | 18:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, it would be..that has happened to my project... | 18:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it's not fun at all :( | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, even with that scenario meego is quite nice and i think there's money in consulting about building projects on it | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | a lean and mean qt stack is still appealing no matter what :) | 18:29 |
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| GAN900 | Rumor in SF bay says Nokia is moving HQ to Silicon Valley. | 18:30 |
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| GAN900 | Ehehe | 18:30 |
| RST38h | Elop specifically mentioned that | 18:30 |
| RST38h | Didn't like Finnish winter I guess :) | 18:30 |
| jorel | is Nokia going to drop Meego? | 18:31 |
| toninikkanen | RST38h: url to elop mentioning move to silicon valley ? | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | jorel: what do we know, we're not Elop | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | jorel: meego.com is still active, commits going in from contributors, including intel and nokia | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | jorel, yes, better start running before the roof caves in. | 18:31 |
| toninikkanen | i get spammed by nokia hiring meego developers to helsinki/tampere/oulu all the time... | 18:31 |
| jorel | Stskeeps: there have been a lot of rumors lately | 18:31 |
| jorel | I hope they are just that, rumors | 18:32 |
| * TSCHAKeee gets those job postings too | 18:32 | |
| Stskeeps | jorel: yes, it's been deafening | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, banks keep operating until the Feds freeze activity, too. *eg*. | 18:32 |
| * TSCHAKeee laughs | 18:32 | |
| mwichmann | hmmm, that just sort of happened to me | 18:32 |
| mwichmann | bank declared out of business | 18:33 |
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| mwichmann | feds took it over, immediately sold it, and there was actually no interrruption | 18:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | welcome to the modern bubble economy | 18:34 |
| slaine | from a technology perspective, the only other platform that would make any sense as regards less retraining/regrouping would be webOS | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | the webos card is still interesting | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, there's a webos announcement today | 18:36 |
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| slaine | mostly the same underlying technologies, just sans the Qt | 18:36 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yes | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: qt's there too actually, in image | 18:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | perhaps fusing webOS and MeeGo | 18:36 |
| slaine | 6pm GMT i think | 18:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | MeeGoWebOS | 18:37 |
| jonnor | slaine: BADA and LiMo are also based on much the same stack | 18:37 |
| slaine | That's the only thing that could make sense technology wise | 18:37 |
| slaine | Didn't realize BADA was | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | jonnor: is bada actually linux? | 18:37 |
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| bzhb | yes bada is linux with a C++ API | 18:37 |
| slaine | didn't know that | 18:38 |
| jonnor | well, I think bada is actually done on top of limo typically | 18:38 |
| slaine | are they still using that ? | 18:38 |
| slaine | Samsung platorm right ? | 18:38 |
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| slaine | didn't think LiMo went anywhere | 18:38 |
| jonnor | I saw one of the limo guys at fosdem but I forgot to ask him how the current state is .( | 18:38 |
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| slaine | and thought it was bitrotting for the last couple of years | 18:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | ...people still post to openmoko... | 18:39 |
| jonnor | it kinda seems like that, yes | 18:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 18:39 |
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| jonnor | but then again, Japan and China are big enough markets to keep whole platforms alive, in a way | 18:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | I literally think the shell shock from all the rumour screaming, actually knocked me into thinking it was friday..no wait..thursday...oh wait, it's wednesday? whoops. :P | 18:40 |
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| berndhs | all this buildup sucks | 18:41 |
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| toninikkanen | i wonder why the nokia-RIM merger rumors have been forgotten so soon | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | QNX? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:41 |
| slaine | lol | 18:41 |
| drew | good morning. | 18:41 |
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| slaine | we used to use qnx here | 18:41 |
| slaine | shudder | 18:41 |
| toninikkanen | aah missed that | 18:42 |
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| Guest91164 | is NTFS support built into Meego at this point? | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Guest91164: no, there's potential patent/royalty issues | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder what would happen if nokia bought blackberry/rim, heh | 18:43 |
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| xDaReaperx | meego go boom ? | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | xDaReaperx: no | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | obviously we're all still here | 18:43 |
| xDaReaperx | Ah okay :P | 18:43 |
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| sandst1 | Stskeeps: Nokia + RIM + TAT + Qt --> whow :) | 18:44 |
| bzhb | the world is going to end in 2012 anyway ;-) | 18:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | QNX is such a shitty OS | 18:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | real time kernel my ass | 18:45 |
| Milhouse | Hmmm.... http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2011/02/tuxera-joins-linux-foundation?sf1049635=1 | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: QNX would be nice on lower-end though | 18:45 |
| Milhouse | "Tuxera will participate in the MeeGo project" - so whatever happens Friday, MeeGo will undoubtedly soldier on | 18:45 |
| Milhouse | with or without Nokia | 18:45 |
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| mwichmann | I think that's true, but you have to say, | 18:47 |
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| mwichmann | meego is so tied to qt now that the lost of qt resources would hurt | 18:47 |
| GAN900 | Milhouse, question is, do we care? ;) | 18:47 |
| toninikkanen | i hate it how the press makes it seem like meego == nokia. when a rumor comes out that nokia has canceled some meego device or other, it's: meego == DEAD. aargh | 18:47 |
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| Milhouse | GAN900: I'd be disappointed... but not altogether surprised. | 18:47 |
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| GAN900 | toninikkanen, well, problem is they're the only ones likely to produce a real device. | 18:49 |
| GAN900 | Intel's selling Atoms | 18:49 |
| GAN900 | AMD isn't doing anything yet. | 18:49 |
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| xDaReaperx | cause AMD is ahead in its plans | 18:49 |
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| arfoll | GAN900, there are other devices shipping meego... | 18:51 |
| arfoll | allready | 18:51 |
| leinir | *nods* because cars and TV settop boxes aren't real meego devices ;) | 18:51 |
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| * arfoll just remembered theres a tablet too | 18:53 | |
| GAN900 | arfoll, yeah . . . sort of. | 18:53 |
| arfoll | GAN900, what do you mean sortof? | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | leinir, who's actually shipping? :) | 18:53 |
| arfoll | telecom italia and it's cubovision | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | arfoll, WeTab isn't really very MeeGo | 18:53 |
| arfoll | GAN900, a nokia phone wouldnt be any more meego than that | 18:54 |
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| jorel | fascinating, I'm Italian and I've never heard of cubovision | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | arfoll, Telecom Italia . . . yeah | 18:54 |
| arfoll | GAN900, why the yeah? | 18:55 |
| arfoll | jorel, you should look it up, it's very hackable | 18:55 |
| GAN900 | arfoll, is Telecom Italia relevant outside of Italy? | 18:55 |
| arfoll | GAN900, lol you asked for shipping devices, not US centric ones | 18:55 |
| chouchoune | looks like cuvision is only early Meego core with browser | 18:55 |
| GAN900 | arfoll, I didn't say US-centric. | 18:56 |
| arfoll | chouchoune, it's meego 1.0/1.1 base with a custom UI | 18:56 |
| chouchoune | as told me a colleague which worked previously on it | 18:56 |
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| GAN900 | Non-country-specific would be a start. | 18:56 |
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| arfoll | GAN900, lol and why do meego devices have to be world centric? | 18:56 |
| chouchoune | or, my bad if I'm wrong, but he told me that it doesn't use much of Meego specificities like Qt, ... | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: must things didn't back in 1.0 either | 18:57 |
| arfoll | chouchoune, the UI is written in Qt... | 18:57 |
| GAN900 | arfoll, this'd be why journalists are focusing on Nokia. | 18:57 |
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| lirakis_ | ha ha ha ha !!!! the truth comes out ... nokia admits they suck giant donkey penis ..... http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/08/nokias-elop-drops-bomb-the-platform-is-on-fire | 18:58 |
| Matan[M] | http://komorkomania.pl/2011/02/09/nokia-ceo-nasz-platforma-plonie | 18:58 |
| chouchoune | either I misunderstood him or he told me crap ;) | 18:58 |
| Matan[M] | sorry, polish language | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | lirakis_: please adhere to http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 18:58 |
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| lirakis_ | no thanks ... just wanted to let every one else know that nokia admits they are stupid, and fucked up the whole maemo thing ... and that they screwed all of their user base | 18:59 |
| lirakis_ | thats all | 18:59 |
| lirakis_ | bye bye | 18:59 |
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| arfoll | chouchoune, maybe you should talk to your friend again ;-) | 18:59 |
| xDaReaperx | lirakis : keep your troll elsewhere | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | this is going to be tough two days.. | 19:00 |
| jorel | anyway I'm more interested in a meego smartphone that in a meego tv box | 19:00 |
| jorel | and only Nokia planned to produce one | 19:01 |
| chouchoune | arfoll: I'll do it next time I'll see it around ;) | 19:01 |
| Matan[M] | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/ | 19:01 |
| arfoll | jorel, fair enough but nowhere is meego == phone | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | Matan[M]: yes, most of us has discussed it already :P | 19:02 |
| Matan[M] | Stskeeps: sorry ;] | 19:02 |
| chouchoune | anyway, let's go drink and forget rumours ;) | 19:02 |
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| arfoll | either way it's a good play for nokia as stocks went flying up | 19:03 |
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| chouchoune | arfoll: stocks can fall down again on Friday if these fucking financial analysts want to ... | 19:05 |
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| chouchoune | and they will be happy to sell it out after the increase of last days ... | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | "in 2010 the stock market crashed after nokia decided to go all-in on meego, caused by so-called analysts not understanding the market" | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | 2010? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, 2011 | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | damn, all that meego work is starting to take it's toll on me.. | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:07 |
| thiago_home | -!- Channel #meego created Mon Feb 15 11:43:01 2010 | 19:08 |
| thiago_home | almost a year | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, was the first one in here :P | 19:08 |
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| arfoll | Analysts : "Meego fails because of freebie developers that can't tell the time!" | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: ow | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:09 |
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| xDaReaperx | i still wonder why did Reuters say that Nokia dropped the meego device | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | i think we're seeing first hand why open product (hardware) development can't work | 19:09 |
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| zumbi | it can work, but it is easier if you have a stable distro and develop on latest upstream software | 19:10 |
| * thiago_home was here when the channel was about 80 people in size | 19:10 | |
| arfoll | or they leak an old proto they dropped, to get everyone waiting for friday, and show a new phone all shiny and that will ship next month with meego | 19:10 |
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| Myrtti | or or or | 19:11 |
| Myrtti | or cheesecake | 19:11 |
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| thiago_home | xDaReaperx: as I was telling people earlier: whatever Elop is going to tell on Friday, it's big enough that anyone leaking is committing a crime in at least two countries | 19:11 |
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| thiago_home | it's jail time | 19:11 |
| thiago_home | securities trading | 19:11 |
| xDaReaperx | oh okay | 19:11 |
| xDaReaperx | that would be a high price to pay for :P | 19:12 |
| thiago_home | so at this point I'm not sure at all what to believe | 19:12 |
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| thiago_home | one year ago, we managed to keep meego secret | 19:13 |
| bzhb | tell wikileaks | 19:13 |
| xDaReaperx | yep noticed | 19:13 |
| thiago_home | to the point that the day before, when engadget got the invitation to the press conference in barcelona, they didn't know what it was about | 19:13 |
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| thiago_home | and the group of people who knew about it was quite big | 19:13 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i watched that one live | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, so - meego birthday coming up | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least the launch | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | birthday cake ! | 19:14 |
| Myrtti | and I was sick then and was in a coma at home and learned about the whole shebang four or five days late :-< | 19:14 |
| Myrtti | yes I'm bitter | 19:14 |
| _berto_ | I think nokia + intel + samsung are joining efforts in BadaMeeGo | 19:16 |
| _berto_ | that'll be the great news | 19:16 |
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| qgil | I remember back in 2007 when someone told me "let's talk when the news around your platform have any implication in the Nokia stock" | 19:26 |
| qgil | at that time I couldn't care less about stocks in general | 19:26 |
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| qgil | these days I use Yahoo! finance as a useful filter for Nokia related news :) | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:27 |
| qgil | bloggers talking to investors do care a bit more about what they are writing | 19:27 |
| Ans5i | i started saving during that year, guess how it has gone? | 19:28 |
| qgil | blog readers might forget in a month what you said, but someone putting their money will not forget you so easily if your analysis were plain stupid | 19:28 |
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| Milhouse | anyone investing on the basis of a blog deserves to lose their shirt. | 19:29 |
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| berndhs | qgil: a lot of brokers and short term investors make money of stock prices changing, it doesnt matter what direction | 19:30 |
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| qgil | Milhouse berndhs sure, I don't look at this as an investor (I'm not one) but as a journalist - or simply as a reader expecting reliability and common sense in texts written by professionals | 19:31 |
| Milhouse | are bloggers professionals? some might be, but most are no more professional than i am. | 19:32 |
| qgil | Milhouse: I'm talking about the professionals | 19:32 |
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| * thiago_home remembers when qgil proposed making Qt LGPL | 19:33 | |
| Milhouse | Horace is pretty good, but it's interesting to note how badly wrong Wall Street called Apple's last quarter, even speculating that it was done intentionally. | 19:33 |
| Milhouse | Horace == Asymco | 19:33 |
| thiago_home | and making a phone OS that could be locked down or open as much as needed | 19:33 |
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| qgil | going back to #meego topic, if you are a professional analyst and you want to write something about MeeGo and its future, you better do some homework understanding what is this project/platform about | 19:34 |
| qgil | thiago_home: nice that you remember :) | 19:34 |
| thiago_home | qgil: I even remember the date -- it was the day after my birthday in 2008 | 19:34 |
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| Ans5i | qgil: props for that | 19:34 |
| qgil | thiago_home: :D | 19:34 |
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| Milhouse | qgil: that's a lovely idea, not sure it will catch on though. ;) | 19:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | i just wish people would stop running around like chickens with their fucking heads cut off. | 19:36 |
| * thiago_home wonders if analysts think IRC is a trustworthy source of news | 19:37 | |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: for your birthday qgil got you LGPL QT? | 19:37 |
| Ans5i | i was quite relieved that day because i afraid worst | 19:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | thiago_home: i don't think analysts even know this place exists. | 19:37 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: no, but he proposed it. | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: we've seen people quoting talk.maemo.org, which is fairly bad in terms of info.. | 19:37 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: we got LGPL 10 months later | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:37 |
| thiago_home | Stskeeps: that's because it's found by google search | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | so you got an early present in 2009 :) | 19:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: lol *facepalm* | 19:38 |
| Milhouse | @Stskeeps: lol | 19:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | soon MeegoBoy will be a trusted source of info | 19:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | *rimshot* | 19:38 |
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| * suy_ wonders if proffesional bloggers even bother to read meego.com when talking about meego | 19:38 | |
| wmarone | meegoboy just got torched in #maemo | 19:38 |
| wmarone | after trying to pass himself off as someone else | 19:38 |
| wmarone | rofl | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | in truth, analysts should really read irc logs here, a lot of interesting tidbits and people from interesting ip addresses | 19:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | exactly | 19:39 |
| auke | wmarone: lol, surprise nobody banned him there | 19:39 |
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| wmarone | oh he got banned | 19:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | like when MB was here the other day spouting stuff... I kept trying to tell him, "do you realize the company you're in?" ;) | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | wmarone, +q != +b | 19:40 |
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| wmarone | oh | 19:40 |
| wmarone | not familiar with the +q mode | 19:40 |
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| thiago_home | quiet | 19:41 |
| thiago_home | doesn't prevent joining, but does prevent speaking | 19:41 |
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| wmarone | ahh | 19:42 |
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| * csdb hasn't seen #meego this lively in a while. | 19:42 | |
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| Stskeeps | csdb: fits pretty well with people feeling part of a community and potential rumours threatening existence :P | 19:43 |
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| csdb | Stskeeps, agree completely. I've been betting on MeeGo too so I'm just as interested | 19:44 |
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| csdb | just took me a while to scroll back this morning on all of the previous 8hrs of conversations. | 19:44 |
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| csdb | I gave after scrolling back just 1hr | 19:45 |
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| csdb | I gave up after scrolling back just 1 hr | 19:45 |
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| CosmoHill | csdb: you mean since last year when all you had to say was "rpm vs dpkg" ? | 19:45 |
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| csdb | CosmoHill, heh - I guess there's always something to fuel the flames | 19:46 |
| CosmoHill | petrol works well | 19:46 |
| csdb | one person's package model is another person's petrol | 19:46 |
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| thiago_home | can we start a new flamewar then? | 19:47 |
| thiago_home | it's been a long time since rpm vs dpkg | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | so I can't fuel my are on RPM but I can on someone else's dpkg? | 19:48 |
| thiago_home | how about the longest one on USENET: Galaxy-class starship vs Imperial Star Destroyer? | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | s/are/car/ | 19:48 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: so I can't fuel my car on RPM but I can on someone else's dpkg? | 19:48 |
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| suy_ | if the rumor about a MeeGo device with Medfield is confirmed, we will see an ARM vs x86 flamefest for sure :) | 19:50 |
| * thiago_home guesses the audience is too young (or not nerdy enough) for GCS vs ISD :-) | 19:50 | |
| TSCHAKeee | thiago_home: rofl! | 19:51 |
| thiago_home | suy_: why? we *can* have both | 19:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | is that thread still going?! | 19:51 |
| wmarone | thiago_home: I could get it, but I prefer not to mix my space stories :) | 19:51 |
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| * csdb is reminiscing on setting up usenet reflectors | 19:51 | |
| TSCHAKeee | i think that thread is in several places, including alt.star-trek.wesley-crusher.die.die.die | 19:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 19:51 |
| wmarone | suy_: in my left pocket is my N900, no flames. In my right, N9 with Atom, flames shooting out! | 19:52 |
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| thiago_home | wmarone: any allusions to power consumption coincidental, right? :-) | 19:52 |
| wmarone | purely | 19:52 |
| toninikkanen | intel-based mobile device would not be a first for nokia anyway.... :) | 19:53 |
| thiago_home | booklet 3g? | 19:53 |
| jnwi | Communicator | 19:53 |
| thiago_home | the 9000? | 19:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | I really liked the Booklet 3G, the downer was that it ran Windows | 19:53 |
| toninikkanen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communicator | 19:53 |
| * wmarone shoves a wireless module into his HP100LX | 19:53 | |
| TSCHAKeee | running windows 7 on a Z series atom is not a brilliant idea | 19:53 |
| toninikkanen | i know a guy who ported Minix to that... so... | 19:54 |
| suy_ | now I'm remembering that years ago, the flame about power consumption and heat dissipation was about Intel vs AMD | 19:54 |
| wmarone | yes, the P4 series was quite toasty | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder when someone will make a official build of meego netbook for booklet, as emgd seems redistributable now | 19:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | ah yes, that is doable now :) | 19:56 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, but really do you want to encourage the buying of GMA500 hardware? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: i think it's more about helping those that did buy it | 19:56 |
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| TSCHAKeee | the weird GPU aside, the Z5xx/Z6xx is a great system architecture | 19:57 |
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| arfoll | is it really any better than pineview+NM10? | 19:58 |
| jnwi | Palm event should be starting in a few minutes. | 19:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | arm still kicks its ass on most fronts...but the Z series stuff is nice... it was just never designed for Windows, despite the OEMs taking it and shoving windows on it. | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: saw the omap5? | 20:00 |
| thiago_home | ARM needs 16 more registers. 32 is a good number, like the MIPS. | 20:00 |
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| thiago_home | ARM also needs a 64-bit mode | 20:00 |
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| thiago_home | devices are getting close to the 4 GB limit | 20:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | arfoll: as someone who wants to make things like tablets, and in-car hardware, having choice between using one of the ARMs, or an x86 like Z5xx/Z600, is a wonderful thing | 20:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: not yet. | 20:01 |
| arfoll | thiago_home, omap5 claimed 8GB of addressable memory | 20:01 |
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| arfoll | TSCHAKeee, i saw more moorestown/medfield in that market | 20:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | arfoll: it's really up to the OEM | 20:01 |
| thiago_home | I don't think a 64-bit ARM is far away | 20:01 |
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| thiago_home | ARM wants to take on the server market too, with low-power processors | 20:02 |
| thiago_home | save on the electrical bill | 20:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | return of the Cobalt Qube | 20:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | heheh | 20:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 20:02 |
| lindi- | thiago_home: it's interesting to see if they can manage that | 20:02 |
| arfoll | Multi proc arm? | 20:02 |
| thiago_home | x86 and MIPS are ahead in that domain | 20:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, it's more than doavble | 20:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | doable | 20:02 |
| thiago_home | arfoll: SMP ARM (or dual-core) are already a reality | 20:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | the Qube was MIPS | 20:03 |
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| thiago_home | quad-cores too | 20:03 |
| arfoll | no but i mean multi CPU, not multi core | 20:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | I/O is the concern in a server | 20:03 |
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| TSCHAKeee | not so much cpu | 20:03 |
| thiago_home | for some applications, addressable memory is | 20:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 20:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | that too | 20:03 |
| arfoll | yeah but if they want to go head to head with the current norm, dual quad core xeon/opteron it's gonna be hard | 20:03 |
| arfoll | and then GPU computing rearing it's ugly head every so often | 20:04 |
| * auke is already on 6-core's at home | 20:04 | |
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| * arfoll thinks it's ugly to boast ;-) | 20:04 | |
| thiago_home | auke: 2 threads per core? | 20:04 |
| auke | thiago_home: yup | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | bitch | 20:04 |
| thiago_home | we have one of those in the office, courtesy of intel | 20:05 |
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| auke | my wife even has one | 20:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | I would love to use GPU computing more often, but have any of you actually dug into that? It's a nightmare. | 20:05 |
| thiago_home | most of the machines are 2-threaded quad-cores | 20:05 |
| auke | of course, my wife works in manufacturing at intel - so we got those cpu's for free :) | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | i still wonder if there's a market for scratch-a-card-to-get-features for mobile devices, like exists for intel processors.. | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | my best processor is a C2D 2.0Ghz :o | 20:05 |
| thiago_home | when I counted the size of the build farm, I got an average of more than 6 "processors" per machine | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: you mean like VT? | 20:06 |
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| auke | I upgraded from a 2.66 original core2duo lol | 20:06 |
| auke | world of difference | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | mine's a laptop | 20:06 |
| mwichmann | anybody think opencl is viable, then? (ref gpu computing comment) | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | and that was an upgrade from a 2.8Ghz P4 :) | 20:06 |
| thiago_home | mwichmann: too early to tell | 20:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | mwichmann: I can hope. | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | I think I looked at GPU computing and thought "I don\'t have time to learn that" | 20:07 |
| thiago_home | mwichmann: I think it's a nice technology | 20:07 |
| auke | mwichmann: good question, but, shrug, nobody can answer that yet | 20:07 |
| pierce | mwichmann: maybe someone will tell you once opencl becomes open :-) | 20:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | but right now GPU architectures are _VERY_ fluid | 20:07 |
| thiago_home | mwichmann: depends on the adoption of key manufacturers | 20:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it will be interesting to see how effective the abstractions are. | 20:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yeah, adoption too. ;) | 20:07 |
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| pierce | wasn't cuda just a clone/fork of opencl because apple was being too slow at getting it out? | 20:09 |
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| thiago_home | even though opencl today is a solution in search of a problem | 20:10 |
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| thiago_home | if you're dealing with graphics, opengl is almost enough | 20:10 |
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| thiago_home | what's left after that is data processing and I'd rather do it on my workstation than on my mobile phone (or my kindle) | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i personally want my phone to be more powerful nearby my home, ie, being able to offload things | 20:13 |
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| TSCHAKeee | thiago_home: re: solution in search of a problem..doesn't that describe...EVERYTHING in computing, since day one? ;) | 20:15 |
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| mwichmann | followed by the "adult" industry figuring out a use, and it goes from there :) | 20:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | hah | 20:16 |
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| treebeen | so... seems like nokia is dumping meego, I hope it's not true | 20:20 |
| wmarone | we know nothing yet | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | treebeen: rumours aren't fact | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | they may occasionally be, but until confirmed, they aren't | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | P | 20:21 |
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| berndhs | i got some ads today about Nokia/Meego jobs in Tampere, that fits real well with all these rumors :) | 20:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | treebeen: please stop spreading crap. it begins with you. | 20:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | treebeen: seriously, think it through. Right now, investors want results... what would switching to another platform/toolkit/community/developer result in? MORE DELAYS. | 20:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | treebeen: come on man, think, before talking. | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps they're just trolling the blogosphere | 20:24 |
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| treebeen | TSCHAKeee: yeah, I think the same way, I can't imagine they really do it. It would be silly. | 20:33 |
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| pierce | http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/02/08/alien-dalvik-android-apps-meego-maemo/ people see that article? | 20:39 |
| pierce | running android apps on meego, fun stuff | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | yup, cool video | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit like linux and WINE, good for users, not so good for getting devs to target your platform directly ) | 20:40 |
| bzhb | what is the licence ? | 20:40 |
| pierce | true | 20:40 |
| pierce | I think better tooling could fix that though | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | bzhb: commercial probably | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be stupid not to capitalise on that :) | 20:41 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: of course, charge much and nobody would ever want to use it. And if they try to charge the *developer*... | 20:41 |
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| sivang | would there be on online streaming of the announcement on friday does anybody know? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | they claim a webcast | 20:43 |
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| pierce | Stskeeps: any notes on time or feed locations? | 20:43 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, webcast really ? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://cmd.nokia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=107224&p=irol-cmd10_overview | 20:44 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, ah ok, share holders announcement is in the morning, this should be public announcement | 20:47 |
| jnwi | It's illegal to favor some shareholders over others | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | nokia stock sure is acting funny | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | jnwi, well board members or whatever :P | 20:48 |
| Ans5i | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/googles-vic-gundotra-on-nokia-two-turkeys-do-not-make-an-eagl/ | 20:48 |
| jnwi | VDVsx: ah, ok | 20:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'm having a problem getting DNS to work on my IdeaPad. I have to manually copy over a good resolv.conf and put the applet on the "networks" view of the meego-panel up and down. What is the correct way to solve this problem? I created an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 with "USEPEERDNS=yes" already. Thanks! | 20:49 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I can't figure out what executable is invoked by the WiFi up-down (1/0) applet on the meego-panel network view, for one thing. | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: observe dbus maye | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 20:50 |
| lpotter | connmand | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | dbus-monitor | 20:50 |
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| mwichmann | does connman even use network-scripts? | 20:50 |
| thiago_home | I don't think so | 20:51 |
| jnwi | WebOS looking pretty slick on the new devices | 20:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Somebody is in fact reading resolv.conf, but I can't figure out who. | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: well, all apps i think | 20:51 |
| thiago_home | it'd also a DNS server | 20:51 |
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| thiago_home | s/d /s/ | 20:52 |
| infobot | thiago_home meant: it'salso a DNS server | 20:52 |
| thiago_home | oops | 20:52 |
| lpotter | ya, I wish they'd fix that resolv.conf bug | 20:52 |
| thiago_home | resolv.conf should be "nameserver 127.0.0.1" and nothing else | 20:53 |
| thiago_home | and it shouldn't change either | 20:53 |
| lpotter | except it doesnt work like that | 20:53 |
| mwichmann | it's not a bug, it's a different way of doing things | 20:53 |
| lpotter | put nameserver 8.8.8.8 and network magically works | 20:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks Stskeeps, dbus-monitor says that the applet sends a signal to connmand. So I guess I need a login script to cp ~/resolv.conf to /etc and then restart connmand. | 20:54 |
| mwichmann | unfortunately, it's a really irritating way when connman doesn't do what you want | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is that connman doesn't always do a very good job at dns serveing | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | P | 20:54 |
| thiago_home | lpotter: the connman DNS server is not working then? | 20:54 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lpotter, doesn't logging out and in always create a new resolv.conf? I though "USEPEERDNS=yes" always solved this problem, but I guess connman is different. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | connman is 'different', yeah | 20:55 |
| lpotter | Alison_Chaiken: no need to restart connman as that will reverse the resolve.conf | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | i would have minded if we have had icd2 instead | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:55 |
| mwichmann | the resolv.conf entry is intended to be a proxy | 20:55 |
| pierce | how does connman change which dns server it uses internally? | 20:55 |
| lpotter | thiago: certainly not | 20:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lpotter, I'm happy to solve this problem the right way instead of an ugly kludge, but what *is* the right way? Not to interrupt the stock discussion, of course! | 20:56 |
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| lpotter | Alison_Chaiken: make holtman not hate resolve.conf | 20:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lpotter, I love everyone. What is the magical way to charm connmand, though? | 20:57 |
| lpotter | thiago: and certainly not for accessing internal servers | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: if you find out, let me know - ideally get connmand logs | 20:57 |
| thiago_home | lpotter: using a local DNS relay is the right thing to do | 20:57 |
| thiago_home | changing /etc/resolv.conf is a bad thing | 20:57 |
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| lpotter | tell connmand to stop changing it then | 20:58 |
| thiago_home | it should | 20:58 |
| thiago_home | the file should be static. Connman shouldn't change it. | 20:58 |
| thiago_home | and there should be no other programs that do (like dhcpcd) | 20:58 |
| lpotter | it does as I have to keep changing it back to get network | 20:58 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks guys, I'll go read about connmand and DNS for a while. Maybe connman has its own config file I can modify. | 20:59 |
| thiago_home | change it to 127.0.0.1? | 20:59 |
| thiago_home | or to something else? | 20:59 |
| lpotter | change it to something else | 20:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago_home, 127.0.0.1 is what connmand comes up with for DNS. Very nice except it doesn't perform name lookups that way! | 20:59 |
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| pierce | does connman try to use resolv.conf to resolve external domains? | 20:59 |
| pierce | that would be strange | 20:59 |
| thiago_home | so connman has a bug and its DNS server isn't working | 21:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I have been changing it by cp'ing a new resolv.conf from ~ every login, but that's stupid. | 21:00 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I can't believe such a bug against connmand wouldn't be reported: I have it on all my MeeGo devices whenever I use them at work. At home, for whatever reason, 127.0.0.1 works fine. | 21:01 |
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| pierce | Alison_Chaiken: there is a #connman as well if no one in here knows the solution | 21:01 |
| thiago_home | lpotter: what happens if you dig meego.com @localhost ? | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: best thing to do is to get connman debug logs so it can be figured out what goes wrong | 21:01 |
| auke | Alison_Chaiken: connman uses the dns entries given to it by the dhcp server | 21:02 |
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| lpotter | thiago: I'd have to let you know later, as I am at home | 21:02 |
| auke | Alison_Chaiken: also, connman IS a DNS proxy, so all local applications can connect to that through 127.0.0.1 | 21:02 |
| auke | Alison_Chaiken: so, connman "sets" 127.0.0.1 as dns server in /etc/resolv.conf so all applications can get to it | 21:02 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, there are plenty of entries for connmand in /var/log/messages. Shall I put them in a pastebin or etherpad? | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: pastie's usually good | 21:03 |
| pierce | auke: do you know how connman changes which external dns servers *it* is looking at? | 21:03 |
| Alison_Chaiken | auke, unless I change /etc/resolv.conf, DNS does not work. | 21:03 |
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| auke | dhcp convention | 21:03 |
| auke | Alison_Chaiken: what version of meego? | 21:04 |
| thiago_home | pierce: connman is a dhcp client, so it should know by getting the DHCP reply | 21:04 |
| auke | pierce: yes, what thiago said | 21:04 |
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| auke | changing resolv.conf will likely break dns - you're not supposed to touch it when using connman | 21:04 |
| lpotter | no, changing it fixes dns in certain circumstances | 21:05 |
| Alison_Chaiken | auke, meego standard netbook on IdeaPad from Dublin. | 21:05 |
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| auke | $ cat /etc/resolv.conf | 21:05 |
| auke | # Generated by Connection Manager | 21:05 |
| auke | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 21:05 |
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| auke | that's from a meego-1.1 system | 21:05 |
| auke | you should have the same | 21:05 |
| auke | is wireless connected ok? | 21:05 |
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| lpotter | right, and that does not work in some work environments | 21:06 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I will get output from dbus-monitor and /var/log/messages with default resolv.conf and handcrafted one and put the network up and down and then send the link, but it will take 10 minutes. | 21:06 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Yes, auke, ping works with four-dot address but not FQDN, so the problem is DNS, not WiFi. | 21:07 |
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| auke | reboot your system and let connmand set it up | 21:08 |
| auke | if that doesn't work -> bug | 21:08 |
| lpotter | its been like that for months | 21:08 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: bug ping - pls go check out my proposed hack^H^H^H^Hsolution | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: i think having /etc/boardname containing contents of override would be good, so maybe moving that part a bit down | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise looks good | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | auke: ie, before starting autodetection, search for override, put that into /etc/boardname, so it keeps in sync :) | 21:24 |
| auke | oh, yeah, that's fine | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise OK from me, i will test it right away in the morning, but you have my blessing to submit it and we'll fix bugs when we see them | 21:25 |
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| auke | I thought about writing this as a C library, but then sanity returned to my brain | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | as long as we identify a base interface we can optimize it over time | 21:28 |
| auke | programs should just parse /etc/boardname and be done with it | 21:29 |
| auke | or the output of this script | 21:29 |
| auke | it depends how early they run | 21:29 |
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| auke | we can always run this once at init | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:30 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly how many revision ids we have to use for n900 | 21:30 | |
| thiago_home | RX-51 | 21:31 |
| auke | ha | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | i have a device that i have molested so much it has changed revision number from 2101 to 0201 or something | 21:31 |
| Ronksu | what is the format for /etc/boardname? I remember seeing it discussed somwhwere, but I think I missed the conclusion. | 21:31 |
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| auke | I'm posting a script that will show you | 21:31 |
| auke | sec | 21:31 |
| auke | revising it | 21:31 |
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| auke | https://bugs.meego.com/attachment.cgi?id=4479 | 21:33 |
| auke | go test, pls. send feedback in the bug (12701) | 21:34 |
| auke | Ronksu: if you'd like to test, please do | 21:34 |
| auke | esp. ARM testers appreciated | 21:34 |
| auke | paste the output here, I'm out for lunch. | 21:34 |
| Ronksu | auke: would be happy to, but no HW around at the moment | 21:34 |
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| mwichmann | Alison_Chaiken: are you able to use the connection applet? should be able to force dns settings in the Advanced settings | 21:39 |
| mwichmann | if not, I think you can go manually fiddle in /var/lib/connman | 21:40 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | mwichmann, I just finished documenting what happens when I change resolv.conf by hand. I'll have a look in /var/lib/connman. | 21:41 |
| mwichmann | repeating, meego connman is configured to use a dns proxy, | 21:42 |
| mwichmann | so it's the per-service settings that matter | 21:42 |
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| mwichmann | those are the .profile files | 21:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Ah mwichmann, I didn't look in the Advanced settings before! Yes, I can change them instead of copying the resolv.conf file instead. Thank you, that's much less ugly. | 21:44 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Here you go: http://pastebin.com/HcQpLgLe | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: does avahi-daemon spam when you try to do a dns lookup with 127.0.0.1? | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | in log messages | 21:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'll have to reboot to recreate the previous resolv.conf and then check, Stskeeps. | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:54 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, no message from avahi with reboot, recreation of useless default resolv.conf and unsuccessful ping. Many, many messages like "connmand[pid]: wlan0 {add} address long-ipv6-crap label (null" though. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: interesting | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: had hoped it was just a connman+avahi fluke | 21:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Happens every time I reboot: problem and fix are 100% reproducible. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: i'd try to grab debug logs from connman somehow then | 22:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'll try messing with advanced settings in panel suggested by mwichmann. That sounds like optimal fix. | 22:00 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | connman doesn't have its own log, as far as I can see. It just spews to messages like everybody else. Maybe I can run it verbosely though . . . | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | connman -d or something | 22:01 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Ah yes, connmand has debug levels. Off to look at conf file. | 22:01 |
| lpotter | Alison_Chaiken: there is #connman | 22:02 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | http://pastebin.com/jz6bGiH9 That's killing connmand with "kill -HUP", then restarting with "connmand --debug=3", then going to eat lunch! | 22:11 |
| vgrade | evening all | 22:13 |
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| lbt | oh, no TSG | 22:41 |
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| eskil | Hello! My first time in this channel. Hope I don't make a fool of my self.. Anyhow: today i installed MeeGo on Ubuntu Linux 10.04. I followed the instructions found here: | 22:59 |
| eskil | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 22:59 |
| eskil | I ran in to some trouble at "add the repo" and I googled all day but I couldn't get it right. Finally, I found out that you were supposed to have a single "/" at the end, not attached to the url. If I would have copy pasted the line from the wiki there would've been no problem, I guess, but my suggestion is to add a small notice in the wiki explaining this "/"-thing for people unfamiliar with ubuntu/debian repos.. What do you think? | 22:59 |
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| lbt | eskil, welcome | 23:00 |
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| eskil | lbt: thanks :) | 23:00 |
| lbt | I can appreciate that that's a nuisance - but it would get very confusing if you added every detail like that :) | 23:00 |
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| lbt | I'm not sure what error came back, but I'd consider your confusion to be a bug in the app that didn't tell you there was a problem | 23:01 |
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| lbt | ah... | 23:01 |
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| eskil | sure, I see what you mean, but for instance, it is mentioned that $-signs are not part of the command, which I guess would be equally obvious :) | 23:02 |
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| lbt | also, the formatting there is terrible | 23:02 |
| eskil | lbt: 2 seconds and i'll get back regarding the error messages I got.. | 23:02 |
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| lbt | see if that change to the page makes it clearer | 23:03 |
| lbt | don't forget that the target audience on this page is a developer... and you have to assume they know how to use their chosen OS | 23:04 |
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| pierce | maybe even removing the hyperlink would clarify | 23:04 |
| lbt | pierce: just did | 23:04 |
| pierce | lbt: you're welcome :-p | 23:04 |
| eskil | first I tried: deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ and got to know that i used invalid syntax.. | 23:04 |
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| eskil | then, i separated "ubuntu/10.04" from the url and now i got a 404.. finally, i figured out what i did wrong. | 23:05 |
| eskil | lbt: saw the change, great | 23:05 |
| eskil | much better | 23:05 |
| eskil | :) | 23:05 |
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| Maskatti_ | what is this talking about meego is not coming? is that true?? | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Maskatti_: you know how things get parsed if it passes through several people | 23:08 |
| Maskatti_ | and is it truth or not? | 23:08 |
| lbt | what is truth? | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | Maskatti_: you know how things get parsed if it passes through several people and at least personally, i'm not going anywhere | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | P | 23:08 |
| Maskatti_ | that meegi is not coming? | 23:08 |
| lbt | there is only one meego .. plural not needed | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | Maskatti_: meego.com comes out at a regular basis every 6 months | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | in fact, we're hitting feature freeze tomorrow | 23:09 |
| pierce | weren't there already a couple of those? | 23:09 |
| pierce | Stskeeps: :-p | 23:09 |
| Ans5i | 1.2 should be out in April? | 23:09 |
| Maskatti_ | yeah. i just wanted to hear it for some one who would know something about it. thanks | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | pierce: yeah, but now it was actually announced | 23:09 |
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| Ans5i | is there btw any dates? i am just thinking is it out before meego summit | 23:11 |
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| Maskatti_ | thanks for information :D | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | Ans5i: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 | 23:11 |
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| Ans5i | thanks, seems that it's not out before summit then | 23:12 |
| pierce | rc3/4 should be pretty close to the release version though | 23:13 |
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| Ans5i | sounds ok :) | 23:14 |
| Maskatti_ | yes yes yes!!! thanks for that link. :) | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | Maskatti_: keep in mind that meego.com is a open source project, which has intel and nokia and many others as participants in it | 23:14 |
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| pierce | if you lose the link, you can just look up the ubuntu release schedule, pretty much the same :-) | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | Maskatti_: what nokia will eventually deliver is their own product based upon meego.com | 23:14 |
| wmarone | Ans5i: which summit? | 23:14 |
| pierce | wmarone: http://meego.com/community/events/2011/meego-summit-fi-2011 | 23:14 |
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| wmarone | ahh | 23:15 |
| Ans5i | that's the one. ^ | 23:15 |
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| Maskatti_ | is there any finns? | 23:15 |
| wmarone | It'll be out for the SF one in May, though | 23:15 |
| Maskatti_ | suomalaisia linjoilla? | 23:15 |
| Ans5i | meego-fi | 23:16 |
| Maskatti_ | thanks :D | 23:16 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | In case anyone was in doubt, the suggestion of mwichmann to edit the "Advanced" settings for my ESSID under the meego-panel "network" tab fixed by DNS problem. auke, I pastebinned connman's verbose debug=3 messages, in case you missed the link. | 23:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Maskatti, puhun suomi huonasti ja hiitasti. | 23:34 |
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