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| Jaffa | lbt: Sorry, forgot to put something in MWKN about OBS, Apps & Surrounds. | 01:06 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Hectic day; and only just landed. | 01:06 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ah well | 01:13 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: and we'll have had the policy meeting too | 01:25 |
| lbt | I just saw the maemo-dev ml thread | 01:26 |
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| CosmoHill | is there something about Meego I can help you with? | 03:29 |
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| marry | ok i need love ok | 03:29 |
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| auke | sorry, had my finger on the trigger there | 03:30 |
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| CosmoHill | for the record I want the channel made hidden | 03:31 |
| auke | hahaha | 03:31 |
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| CosmoHill | auke: fyi you deop'd the wrong user | 03:34 |
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| auke | oh lol | 03:35 |
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| auke | wdouglas: fear me! | 03:35 |
| CosmoHill | auke: drive by bannings are fun | 03:35 |
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| auke | wdouglas joked he'd paste the convo to bash.org | 03:38 |
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| auke | l8r all | 03:38 |
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| IanWizard | I'm trying to port to my phone, and rather than trying to merge the two, I'd rather just take my phones kernel source, and use a modified meego kernel config with it. (if possible) | 03:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:33 |
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| lcuk | morning jaffa, Stskeeps and all 488 folks \o | 11:07 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you recall me mentioning seeing someone in the Guinness Brewery @ MeeGoConf who was writing in her journal? | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 11:18 |
| lcuk | ahh, well I found a photo of her :) | 11:18 |
| stroughtonsmith | too much fake U2 and beer? :P | 11:19 |
| lcuk | you and a couple of the adaption team are sat on a table just to the side | 11:19 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, ? mwkn saying Sojourner is another fosdem scheduler? theres only 1 for our N900 and written by wjt @ Collabora :P | 11:35 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: That title is taken directly from his blog-posts title. | 12:09 |
| lcuk | :D its all good then! | 12:10 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Hi evertone. Can anybody explain me on what the contact application on meego is based. I heard that maemo was based on evelution-server, is it the same for meego? | 13:03 |
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| tudovio_ | Hello! Does anybody know what API's can be used to test the Supplementary services features on top of the Meego api's? | 13:18 |
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| Venemo | will MeeGo support x86_64? | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | Venemo: You mean OS or SDK? | 13:40 |
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| Venemo | X-Fade: actually, both. | 13:41 |
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| Venemo | X-Fade: x64 SDK would be great, and I'm also curios about x64 OS | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | Venemo: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/opensuse/11.3/x86_64/ | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | For the OS itself, no. It is not a target. | 13:42 |
| Venemo | eh. | 13:42 |
| Venemo | why not? | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | Because it targets SSSE3 and ARM cpus. | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, not to mention, AMD also joined MeeGo http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12287_AMD_joins_MeeGo.php | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Sure, but I'm pretty sure they want MeeGo for their mobile chips too. | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | So no 64 bit probably. | 13:54 |
| toninikkanen | a great desktop/server OS is likely the least priority for MeeGo | 13:54 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: hi | 13:59 |
| Venemo | hey hirabayashitaro | 14:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | I know that the handset thing is in a development stage | 14:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: and I'm fine with it. The problem is that informations about development, and the managementof the project is in my opinion quite... chaotic | 14:01 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: chaotic in what sense? | 14:02 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: for example: Meego intentions are to create a standard platform for different devices, but the development of the various parts seems non to be syncronized | 14:03 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: the netbook version has its working built in contacts managment so why handset does not have one | 14:03 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: it has. | 14:04 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: here is the app: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-people | 14:04 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: Saw it, but it seems to be at a very embrional phase of development | 14:05 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: And, correct me if I'm wrong, the system for storing information is not the same for the two... | 14:06 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: oh, yes. | 14:06 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: that is true | 14:06 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: ping | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | achipa: pong | 14:08 |
| achipa | oops, wrong channel, -> maemo | 14:08 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: so for my "problem" a correct managment of that field should be implemented in evolution-server for maemo, in "don't know what" in netbook and in "some qt stuff backend" for handset | 14:09 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: this is in no way similar to the "we are creating a coherent system" which I can hear in every slideshow-video-cool presentation of meego | 14:11 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: well you can take it as this: they 'inherited' the netbook ux's stuff from Moblin. and the handset ux counterparts are not in a very good shape to replace them yet. | 14:12 |
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| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: but as I hear, they aspire to use the same backends for all UXes | 14:12 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: Please don't misunderstand me, I'm really enthusiast of the project, but it is frustraiting for me to open millions of bugs for every project linked to my n900 and recieve no answer because everyone is looking forward to something and is considering the actual project almost dead | 14:14 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: I empathise. | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: did you look at Versit and Mobility Contacts? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | (regarding your fonetic field issue) | 14:16 |
| Venemo | brb | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | (qt) | 14:19 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: that's was I found some days ago, and what I suppose meego-handset-people is based on, am I right? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | generally what will matter is what is in meego api, http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html - backends can come and go based on requirements of those | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | so improving apis is the direction to go | 14:21 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, organisation of the projects is being standardised and working practices formulated. this entire project and way of working is totally new to many people. the projects themselves would do well to follow example the Dialer has (being organised by sabotage) http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer :) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | also keep in mind meego-handset-people are -reference applications-, which most people will replace, so the APIs are what matters | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | they may replace them, but they need to work well initially to allow variants to be built from them! | 14:23 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: well, so my suggestion of improving should be suggestd to API developers, right? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: yes | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | which then drives backend requirements | 14:26 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: and where is the place to do so? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: well, in this case qt mobility APIs would be the place | 14:27 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: is there a bugtracker or something? | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com i would believe | 14:29 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: well, registered there also, hope this time I'll have at least a reply | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | hrm | 14:44 |
| lcuk | searching the internet to find Meego-Releases mailing list on Yahoo got me the admin page | 14:45 |
| lcuk | how odd | 14:45 |
| lcuk | also, on RE ML, theres a mail saying images are there http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-January/001125.html | 14:48 |
| lcuk | but the N900 folder is still missing image | 14:48 |
| lcuk | http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.1.20110131.90/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 14:48 |
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| alterego | Weird, the -devel image is there | 14:50 |
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| alterego | Looks like there is a problem with mic | 14:52 |
| alterego | Or something ran out of disk space ... | 14:52 |
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| * lcuk wonders why dd is so slow | 15:18 | |
| CosmoHill | I wonder that too | 15:18 |
| lcuk | then I realised it was copying 2gb | 15:18 |
| CosmoHill | I got 14MB/s on a SATA hard drive | 15:18 |
| lcuk | is there an interactive version? | 15:19 |
| CosmoHill | I've never heard of one | 15:19 |
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| Termana | lcuk, you can watch the percentage by piping to... some utility I can't remember | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: kill -USR1 $PIDOFDD | 15:20 |
| lcuk | Termana, the internets are telling me theres a way to poke it with a USR1 signal | 15:21 |
| lcuk | that one ^ | 15:21 |
| lcuk | :D X-Fade | 15:21 |
| Termana | lcuk, use pv | 15:21 |
| Termana | pipe viewer | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Make sure you use a big block size too. | 15:21 |
| Termana | or bar | 15:22 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, I was not telling it a block size | 15:22 |
| lcuk | oh fiddlesticks | 15:22 |
| lcuk | Nokia-N900:~# dd if=/home/user/MyDocs/fm_meego/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.90.1.20110131.80-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk1 | 15:22 |
| lcuk | dd: writing '/dev/mmcblk1': No space left on device | 15:22 |
| lcuk | 3911681+0 records in | 15:22 |
| lcuk | 3911680+0 records out | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: See if bs=1M helps. | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | Ah, game over anyway :D | 15:22 |
| * lcuk learns to accept Meego images are 1 unit too large for his 2gb card | 15:22 | |
| lcuk | its ok X-Fade | 15:22 |
| lcuk | it still boots and happily runs stuff | 15:22 |
| lcuk | even with 1 missing block | 15:22 |
| Termana | X-Fade - bigger block size eh? | 15:23 |
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| Termana | Is that what you say to all the boys? | 15:23 |
| Termana | ;p | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | Termana: Sure... | 15:23 |
| Termana | Awkward. | 15:24 |
| Termana | Soo... hows about them Egypt? | 15:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | bug posted http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1083 | 15:25 |
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| * CosmoHill glares at the people who put adverts on DVDs | 15:25 | |
| Termana | CosmoHill, you wouldn't steal... A BEAR | 15:26 |
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| CosmoHill | "I see you bought the DVD, have you considered blu-ray?" | 15:28 |
| fellu | lcuk, :C | 15:29 |
| fellu | :D | 15:29 |
| lcuk | :E | 15:29 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, This DVD is equipped with fast-play your movie and a whole load of other crap before it will load automatically in a moment! | 15:30 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, why are you watching a DVD and not a blu-ray anyway? :p | 15:31 |
| Termana | Not because of your Mac surely? :p | 15:31 |
| CosmoHill | it's on the PS3 | 15:32 |
| * lcuk going to get blu-ray player soon :) | 15:33 | |
| X-Fade | Physical media... how last century. | 15:36 |
| CosmoHill | X-Fade you keep awway from my collection | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, if oyu have to go shops to get beer/munchies to eat whilst watching, physical media isn't so bad. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | you | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | morn bdub2 | 16:24 |
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| bdub2 | morning, Stskeeps | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning to the night shift :) | 16:51 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: first day trying to get to the office before 7am in order to leave earlier and share 1h more with the East :) | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:54 |
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| qgil | Interesting mail "I am looking for a Sr. Suse Linux Administrator for my Direct client in Lebanon OH. I noticed that you have this expereince" | 16:54 |
| mihero | 7am is bit too early for my taste | 16:54 |
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| qgil | maybe I'm posting too much about the OBS without knowing anything about it? ;) | 16:55 |
| mihero | :) | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Nice :) | 16:55 |
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| mdp | qgil, and Lebanon, OH is a pretty exotic place to work :) | 16:58 |
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| qgil | mdp: less exotic nowadays but yes | 16:58 |
| qgil | back to topic: I'm impressed by this "to be or not to be" email in MeeGo-pm. Good stuff! | 16:59 |
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| mihero | btw what is meegos take on the effort creatin one common app repository api? | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | mihero: It is an interesting concept. | 17:00 |
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| mihero | yep, saw the news on linuxdevices today | 17:01 |
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| X-Fade | mihero: It would be nice to have something like that. The design has still a long way to go though. | 17:01 |
| mihero | sure. those multimedia upgrades although sounded bit worring, maybe they are creating sometthing too heyvy | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | mihero: At the moment they don't seem to have thought about mobile devices at all. | 17:03 |
| mihero | loose the usability of cli | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | mihero: A giant tarball with all icons doesn't scale very well. | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Especially not when you have > 10k apps :) | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Desktops don't have a problem with that, but downloading 50MB over 3G each time might not be the way to go. | 17:05 |
| mihero | jep | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | But the api can also be used by cli apps of course. That should not give you less usability. | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: is good stuff but also worrying, shows exactly how we're doing.. | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm a bit afraid the big arguments might end up off list, but we'll see.. | 17:09 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: shows a symptom in an objective way | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | could make a good dashboard | 17:10 |
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| wdouglas | <marry> hi [17:24] | 18:35 |
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| wdouglas | <CosmoHill> hi [17:28] | 18:35 |
| wdouglas | <marry> can we chat | 18:35 |
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| wdouglas | <CosmoHill> ? | 18:35 |
| wdouglas | <CosmoHill> if you mean private message, then no | 18:35 |
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| wdouglas | the connection [17:29] | 18:35 |
| wdouglas | <marry> ok love to chat 4 | 18:35 |
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| wdouglas | <CosmoHill> is there something about Meego I can help you with? | 18:35 |
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| wdouglas | <marry> ok i need love ok | 18:35 |
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| wdouglas | #meego: marry | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | wdouglas: you know this channel is logged, you could just point us to the logs | 18:36 |
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| wdouglas | <CosmoHill> I believe you're in the wrong channel [17:32] | 18:36 |
| wdouglas | <auke> too late | 18:36 |
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| wdouglas | <auke> sorry, had my finger on the trigger there | 18:36 |
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| wdouglas | <CosmoHill> for the record I want the channel made hidden [17:33] | 18:36 |
| wdouglas | <auke> hahaha | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | can someone make this stop? | 18:36 |
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| screwgoth | Hi, I'm a Meego noob. Is it not possible to run a meego environment if my Laptop does not have VT or Intel graphics chipset ? | 18:36 |
| wdouglas | <wdouglas> X( [17:34] | 18:36 |
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| wdouglas | Sorry about that all, just noticed I pasted =( | 18:37 |
| wdouglas | CosmoHill: putty always messes with me for copy and paste. | 18:37 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 18:37 |
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| CosmoHill | screwgoth: You do need an Intel Graphics chip (not the GMA500), as for VT, that's to do with virtual machines which meego doesn't use | 18:37 |
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| screwgoth | well.. i have a Laptop with Nvidia GeForce 8600GT | 18:38 |
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| screwgoth | CosmoHill: Is that good enough ? | 18:39 |
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| screwgoth | CosmoHill: And I think VT is required for Graphics acceleration, as per: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration | 18:40 |
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| Guest78064 | http://www.PaisaLive.com/register.asp?1183345-7238421 | 18:41 |
| Guest78064 | http://www.PaisaLive.com/register.asp?1183345-7238421 | 18:41 |
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| CosmoHill | Guest78064: piss off you prick | 18:42 |
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| CosmoHill | screwgoth: Intel VT has nothing to do with graphics, VT stands for Virtualisation (formally Vanderpool) Technology | 18:42 |
| niala1 | hello | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | niala1: plop | 18:43 |
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| niala1 | hello CosmoHill have a nice day | 18:43 |
| niala1 | evening | 18:43 |
| screwgoth | CosmoHill: Gotcha ! So I won't be able to boot into a Meego image at all .... I tried burning the netbook image on a USB (using imagecreator) and booting | 18:44 |
| RST38h | Unless of course you mean VTd which can be used to virtualize graphics | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | screwgoth: you should be able to boot into run level 3 but you won't be able to gte a GUI because you are using Nvidia | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | there might be something on forum.meego.com about using nvidia graphics | 18:45 |
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| screwgoth | CosmoHill: oh ok!! I'll check it out. thanks | 18:45 |
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| wdouglas | CosmoHill: GT5 is a soul sucker | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | I got a silver this time around | 19:31 |
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| MeegoBoy | *knock knock* guess who's here boys and girls | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | Santa? | 19:32 |
| MeegoBoy | No, MeegoBoy | 19:32 |
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| MeegoBoy | I am a developer with substantial revenues on various platforms. Pray explain to me how I will make income developing on Meego. I am all ears. | 19:34 |
| microlith | Isn't that your job to figure out? | 19:36 |
| microlith | or are you expecting money to be delivered on a silver platter? | 19:36 |
| MeegoBoy | I come to the community to ask questions. What is the business model for meego? | 19:36 |
| microlith | MeeGo is an infrastructure defined by its APIs and toolkits | 19:37 |
| MeegoBoy | Instead of being snarky and clownish do give this some thought. | 19:37 |
| microlith | the "business model" has to be defined by the vendor and by the developer who, hopefully, has a business plan | 19:37 |
| microlith | much like the Linux kernel | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | sell nokia phones and netbooks with intel processors :) | 19:38 |
| microlith | or ARM :) | 19:38 |
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| microlith | or whatever, really | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | i'd image at some point, atm I don't think there is an ARM netbook image | 19:39 |
| MeegoBoy | That doesnt answer my question. Let me rephrase: how is a developer expected to support oneself writing meego software and ensure it isnt butchered by the open source folk. I am all ears. | 19:39 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: are you asking sincerely or are you merely here to troll? | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | microlith: the former | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | MeegoBoy: the same way people make money from any other open source software i'd imagine | 19:40 |
| microlith | CosmoHill: he's obviously opposed to "open source" | 19:40 |
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| MeegoBoy | I am sincere. 20 years of writing computer code for various platforms. No need for insults. | 19:41 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: name two platforms | 19:41 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: give some credentials for your claims | 19:41 |
| MeegoBoy | I am trying to comprehend how this project of yours will sustain programmers such as myself who can bring compelling applications to the table. | 19:42 |
| MeegoBoy | I cannot say for privacy reasons. | 19:42 |
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| berndhs | MeegoBoy: I think you are making this up | 19:43 |
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| berndhs | MeegoBoy: who's privacy ? | 19:43 |
| jonni | nobody is stopping you to sell your programs :) | 19:43 |
| niala1 | MeegoBo you mean appstore ? | 19:44 |
| dgc03052 | Meegoboy: My 2 <small unit of currency> - Realistically you can't yet. If or when some Meego platforms become popular, then it might be like the Android App market - which means free stuff will be available for most things, or free plus ads. Maybe some stuff will sell, but hard to say - how many developers can sustain themselves on the Android App market? A lot of it seems to be ego or playing around, as opposed to making money.... | 19:44 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: if adopted it will provide a common platform you can target. whether or not it will sustain you is on -your- end | 19:44 |
| MeegoBoy | I have written some of the code for the most compelling applications in Windows and ios. My experience is extensive in computer languages. | 19:44 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: vague statements lend no credibility | 19:45 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: I dont believe you, give a real example, not just vague claims | 19:45 |
| jonni | if application is compelling enough, people will buy it :) | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | I think MeegoBoy would like to know how someone can contribute to open source projects whilst making an income | 19:45 |
| CosmoHill | (if he doesn't want to know I still would) | 19:46 |
| MeegoBoy | i have been lurking here for a long long time and am rather apalled at the lack of progress with your platform. Can anyone shed some light on this debacle? | 19:46 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: you're a debacle :) | 19:46 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: so you are here to troll. | 19:46 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: you are a marketing troll | 19:46 |
| MeegoBoy | Pardon? | 19:47 |
| microlith | CosmoHill: most people I've seen are employed by others, or are independent contractors that get funding from various 3rd parties to work on a specific project | 19:47 |
| microlith | CosmoHill: like the UBIFS and LogFS developers | 19:47 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: you understand what I am saying | 19:47 |
| MeegoBoy | I have extensive work experience in this industry beginning with Nokia when it did series 80, i am an enginner at heart. | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | microlith: like Hauku (or whatever it is) put up a bounty for some graphics work on their platform? | 19:48 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: ah so you are not an engineer, only at heart :) | 19:48 |
| microlith | CosmoHill: something like that. | 19:48 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: and I was a principle engineer on IA64 :P | 19:48 |
| microlith | (see how easy it is to make crap up!) | 19:48 |
| MeegoBoy | Right now i work in computer programming capacity. | 19:48 |
| dgc03052 | CosmoHill: Think of the Renaissance and art... Find a patron... That's the most realistic way I've seen... That or incredible luck, like being a featured app for Apple... | 19:49 |
| MeegoBoy | I have an extensive network of colleagues within Nokia. | 19:49 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: name two | 19:49 |
| microlith | speaking of apple's app store, I'd be interested in seeing the return rates on most apps. I suspect most don't turn shit for profits :) | 19:49 |
| MeegoBoy | I am not a fool. Naming anybody would destroy my network. | 19:50 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: ok, you're not a fool, but I think you are a liar | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | MeegoBoy: it's starting to sound like you're reading your speach from blank pages | 19:50 |
| MeegoBoy | I can speak about Apple app store and I assure you the profits are substantial. It is my full time occupation but i cannot give you specific numbers. Sorry. | 19:51 |
| ShadowJK | oh no, it's MeegoBoy again :) | 19:51 |
| lcuk | MeegoBoy, once all the links are in place, MeeGo will have App Store models from both Nokia Ovi as you should already know and Intel AppUp | 19:51 |
| lcuk | had you spent 5 minutes making use of your extensive knowledge you would know that. | 19:51 |
| microlith | lcuk: I don't think MeegoBoy wants to know anything | 19:51 |
| MeegoBoy | So meego will be competing with ovi? Care to clarify lcuk? | 19:52 |
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| CruT3X | *Sigh* | 19:52 |
| lcuk | by the way, do we have some policy around using "Meego" in nicknames | 19:53 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: Ovi is nokia's app store. Nokia will use MeeGo. | 19:53 |
| microlith | MeeGo is not bound to any store | 19:53 |
| microlith | meego provides no store | 19:53 |
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| * lcuk mutters something about an app mall ;) | 19:54 | |
| MeegoBoy | I make a very comfortable living off Apple app store. Can I accomplish the same with Meego or is Meego only for hobbyist types coding stuff in their bedrooms looking at their pimple faced reflections in the computer screens? Sorry no offence. | 19:54 |
| microlith | "App Strip Mall" | 19:54 |
| microlith | someone ban MeegoBoy, he's being worthless | 19:54 |
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| berndhs | MeegoBoy: how comfortable ? and do the income tax people know about this ? | 19:54 |
| MeegoBoy | Yes. I pay every penny. | 19:54 |
| berndhs | MeegoBoy: what country ? we will have them check on you | 19:55 |
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| MeegoBoy | Is meego for hobbyists i described above? (pimple faced teenagers) | 19:55 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: shoo | 19:55 |
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| berndhs | MeegoBoy: meego is for adults, you should not be here :) | 19:56 |
| MeegoBoy | Or is meego a serious platform? | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | reminder that we have IRC guidelines that including being nice to others | 19:56 |
| CosmoHill | MeegoBoy: it's the same as maemo | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 19:56 |
| microlith | DawnFoster: I'm sure MeegoBoy crossed that line long ago | 19:56 |
| MeegoBoy | Cosmo: so open source mambo jumbo then? | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: btw are my changes okay? I didn't realise I had to run them past someone first | 19:57 |
| MeegoBoy | How am I rude or disrespectful? | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | duno, never used it. All I know is that MeeGo will be placing it | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: I was thinking maybe adding a bullet point about the channel language being English | 19:58 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: [09:53 01] <MeegoBoy> I make a very comfortable living off Apple app store. Can I accomplish the same with Meego or is Meego only for hobbyist types coding stuff in their bedrooms looking at their pimple faced reflections in the computer screens? Sorry no offence. | 19:58 |
| MeegoBoy | Why am I not welcome here? | 19:58 |
| microlith | you deliberately came here to insult, not to inquire | 19:58 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: it's fine to make changes. I review them and revert anything that doesn't make sense | 19:58 |
| andre__ | MeeGoBot: probably because of your attitude towards others here. Normal reaction, I'd say. | 19:59 |
| MeeGoBot | andre__: Sorry, I've no idea what 'probably because of your attitude towards others here. Normal reaction, I'd say' might be. | 19:59 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: you changes looked good | 19:59 |
| andre__ | MeegoBoy: probably because of your attitude towards others here. Normal reaction, I'd say. | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | MeegoBoy: I think your choice of words might have been very good and thus caused fritcion | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: thanks :) | 19:59 |
| MeegoBoy | i have distaste for hobbyists types, they are pirates mostly. Surely you must agree. | 19:59 |
| microlith | MeegoBoy: GTFO | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | MeegoBoy: people have to start somewhere | 19:59 |
| MeegoBoy | Microlith: nice language | 19:59 |
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| microlith | MeegoBoy: you are deserving of nothing more | 20:00 |
| DawnFoster | MeegoBoy: the name calling and accusations need to stop | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | i'd encourage young ones to learn and i'd point them in the right direction | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | infact that's normally what I do in LFS | 20:00 |
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| auke | DawnFoster: say when | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | \o/ | 20:01 |
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| DawnFoster | I've given the warning - feel free to kick if we see any more name calling / accusations :) | 20:01 |
| DawnFoster | now, I'm off to get a cup of tea :) brb | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | may I suggest those involed chill out for a bit | 20:02 |
| auke | I kicked someone yesterday for saying they "need love" | 20:02 |
| niala1 | oh you have no heart auke :) | 20:03 |
| wmarone-n900 | hmm, chaos? | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | wmarone-n900: auke has a gun in one hand and a cat in the other | 20:03 |
| wmarone-n900 | goodness | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | oh no, he's stroking the cat whilst pointing the gun at someone | 20:04 |
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| poutsi | a real cat and a real gun is a dangerous combination, as anyone who has cats can probably attest to | 20:07 |
| poutsi | no real cat-gun-experience required | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | depends who has the gun, you or the cat | 20:08 |
| poutsi | wwwweeeellllll | 20:08 |
| berndhs | and depends on the size of the cat | 20:08 |
| * RST38h moosevilly | 20:08 | |
| * RST38h moos <space> evilly that is | 20:08 | |
| poutsi | space moose? | 20:08 |
| CosmoHill | you can kinda read that as "moose villain"...well you can if your mind makes up letters | 20:09 |
| RST38h | it does, of course it does | 20:10 |
| poutsi | and space moose is nothing if not villain-y, so I rest my case | 20:10 |
| poutsi | whatever my case may be | 20:10 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Hi, a little question... are there some japanese developers in the project? | 20:18 |
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| wmarone-n900 | hirabayashitaro: there are a couple, not sure if there are any on the main dev groups | 20:19 |
| hirabayashitaro | And in addition to it, the meeting in Tokyo is to be intended as a the intention to try to gain some influence in the east asian countries also? | 20:20 |
| hirabayashitaro | wmarone-n900: is there a way to get in contact with some of them? | 20:21 |
| wmarone-n900 | kimitake comes around occasionally | 20:22 |
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| wmarone-n900 | the other guy I'm not sure | 20:22 |
| wmarone-n900 | might want to look at the mailing list and forum | 20:22 |
| CosmoHill | hirabayashitaro: i think they're mostly on the forum but I have seen some japanese / chinese writing in here before | 20:23 |
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| wmarone-n900 | ときどきですね。 :) | 20:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | CosmoHill: I see | 20:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | wmarone-n900: lol | 20:24 |
| wmarone-n900 | I'm hoping multilanguage IMEs are better integrated with MeeGo | 20:25 |
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| wmarone-n900 | maemo works, but not consistently | 20:25 |
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| hirabayashitaro | wmarone-n900: yes, is quite a mess. But meego seems to have no plans in this direction | 20:27 |
| hirabayashitaro | wmarone-n900: and I suppose this is linked to the fact that nokia has no business in Japan | 20:27 |
| wmarone-n900 | probably, but IIRC they do have business in much of Asia | 20:28 |
| wmarone-n900 | china, taiwan | 20:28 |
| berndhs | hirabayashitaro: maybe approach it from the other end - which service providers / manufaturers have interest | 20:28 |
| berndhs | hirabayashitaro: and then try to find which of those have involvement with meego | 20:28 |
| wmarone-n900 | meego needs to have IMEs regardless | 20:29 |
| wmarone-n900 | to not is sloppy | 20:29 |
| wmarone-n900 | especially considering that there are already several good Linux ones | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | judging by our big chinese contributors, IME is obvious.. | 20:30 |
| hirabayashitaro | berndhs: I agree. But I've left the phone number of the chief head of Docomo and Softbank in my other trousers | 20:30 |
| wmarone-n900 | oooh! | 20:30 |
| wmarone-n900 | I'm still amazed at how good Docomo's 3(.5)G coverage is | 20:31 |
| hirabayashitaro | I looked at some statistics about smartphones on google just yesterday | 20:32 |
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| hirabayashitaro | and the first three places with the most generatefd traffic are three east asian countries | 20:33 |
| wmarone-n900 | sure, japan is far more intense with cellphone use for data | 20:33 |
| hirabayashitaro | and I think we must consider the fact that it could bring some good coding and localization | 20:35 |
| wmarone-n900 | yup | 20:35 |
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| Stskeeps | this is probably going to sound like an odd question, but is GLES1.1 a meego api? | 21:05 |
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| toninikkanen | that's a good question considering you can (soon) put GLSL code into Qt and QML apps | 21:10 |
| toninikkanen | or well you can already | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm seing it listed and a bit surprised at that, but i guess "GLES2.0" is what needs to be supported | 21:11 |
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| timeless_xchat | so, anyone here going to fosdem? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i am, but mostly only around for beer event and embedded devroom on the sunday | 21:23 |
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| timeless_xchat | i forgot about it | 21:23 |
| timeless_xchat | oh, i can't go, i have a commitment for friday | 21:24 |
| MeegoBoy | Hello jello | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: will you behave now? | 21:27 |
| MeegoBoy | Do i hafta? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, at least when i'm observing :) | 21:28 |
| lbt | mmm the CO in 30-ish mins... | 21:29 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I was just going to say that :) | 21:29 |
| DawnFoster | and with a link: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings | 21:30 |
| lbt | :) | 21:30 |
| kyb3R | oh! thanks for reminder.. | 21:30 |
| MeegoBoy | You may not see it that way but I'm just trying to lit a fire underneath yo asses to get this project moving. | 21:30 |
| timeless_xchat | dawn: are you going to fosdem? | 21:31 |
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| Venemo | hey MeegoBoy, what's up? | 21:33 |
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| MeegoBoy | Same old, same old mate | 21:35 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless_xchat: unfortunately, no | 21:36 |
| MeegoBoy | So what ya all think elop will say on feb 11 ? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: i think it'll include the words "a" "an" "the" and "how" and that's about it | 21:37 |
| MeegoBoy | Any cool fones being announced? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | we don't know, we're not nokia product management here :) | 21:38 |
| MeegoBoy | But you got the inside knowledge man | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm utterly uninformed :) | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's a blessing, makes me able to work on meego.com full time without worries | 21:40 |
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| MeegoBoy | How will meego win the battle of the OS's ? | 21:42 |
| CruT3X | At first it will strike low with a katana... After that invisible ninjas will take over Google and iOS offices. End of the story. | 21:43 |
| lcuk | by smiling :) | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: by providing a compelling developer experience, ease of productization, porting and open development | 21:43 |
| MeegoBoy | Interesting, interesting | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | MeegoBoy: how will you help to make it happen? | 21:44 |
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| kyb3R | battles may be lost...I'd rather win the whole war :) | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | Albundy: i believe we had an understanding from last time you came by that you'd be using one nick only :) | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: It does not matter, just ban by IP. | 21:47 |
| hirabayashitaro | is today some special troll day? | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: seems so, they are popping up everywhere | 21:48 |
| kyb3R | hirabayashitaro: :) | 21:48 |
| RST38h | Slow day indeed | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | at least the chan is moving :D | 21:49 |
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| hirabayashitaro | RST38h: that's because you're not taking into serious account my proposal... I have some dark power indeed :P | 21:49 |
| lcuk | timeless_xchat, are you? :D | 21:50 |
| lbt | X-Fade: Jaffa: ping ... you two about ? | 21:50 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yes. | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | hiraba: Does your proposal come with a decently paid work contract? | 21:50 |
| lbt | heck of a day | 21:51 |
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| hirabayashitaro | RST38h: you're working at meego for money? Bad bad guy! | 21:51 |
| * lcuk wondering whether the latest n900 image has touch input | 21:52 | |
| hirabayashitaro | RST38h: I'm searching a work for myself... Nokia, Intel, are you accidentally searching for someone to improve your international market? I'm here!!! | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: money is best way to ensure constant contribution :P | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | blackmail also applies | 21:53 |
| RST38h | hiraba: Ok, yyou can probably guess why your proposal has not caused any interest then =) | 21:53 |
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| lbt | phaeron: o/ | 21:53 |
| phaeron | lbt: yo | 21:54 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_11-02-01 | 21:54 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: Ehi ehi, I'm not Nokia after all. Pay money is a task for whom who actually have money | 21:54 |
| * lbt is too tired to do any 'prep' ... | 21:54 | |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: yeah, of course | 21:55 |
| lbt | hirabayashitaro: what do you do? | 21:55 |
| hirabayashitaro | RST38h: well, mine was a simple propposal of improvement. I don't pay for it, but I'm not receiving money either | 21:56 |
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| hirabayashitaro | lbt: well, nothing in particular. Be interested in technologies and speak some languages. | 21:56 |
| lbt | tester :) | 21:56 |
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| hirabayashitaro | lbt: sure, it was my plain. But after many bug submissions and no answer I'm planning to quit :) | 21:57 |
| lbt | :( ... yeah... that's frustrating | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: where are you having issues with unanswered bugs in particular? | 21:58 |
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| Jaffa | Ev'ning all | 21:58 |
| lbt | X-Fade: so... are we good with scope for the meeting | 21:58 |
| lbt | hey Jaffa | 21:59 |
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| hirabayashitaro | here: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1083 | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, I guess we can follow the wiki. I'll do the intro. | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | maclaver! | 21:59 |
| hirabayashitaro | and here: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13127 | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | lbt: X-Fade: At some point I think it'd be good to get a MeeGo architect on board in this process; but probably outside of the scope of this meeting | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I agree. | 22:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | and here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640203 | 22:00 |
| lbt | is auke around? | 22:00 |
| lcuk | lbt added link to itp on the wiki | 22:00 |
| lcuk | where it said where it the itp | 22:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | and some other places | 22:00 |
| timeless_xchat | lcuk: i'm considering | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: ok, so, 2 days isn't ignored ;) | 22:01 |
| timeless_xchat | but probably not | 22:01 |
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| lbt | lcuk: ta ... | 22:02 |
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| lbt | CO meeting starting | 22:03 |
| maclaver | Jaffa! | 22:04 |
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| pixelgeek | lbt: are you going to talk about how MeeGo Garage fits in (or doesn't) in the new world order? | 22:10 |
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| lbt | pixelgeek: yes | 22:11 |
| pixelgeek | thx | 22:13 |
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| Venemo | pixelgeek: is there a MeeGo garage? | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, theres a #Meego-meeting atm | 22:21 |
| lcuk | people are >>> | 22:21 |
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| pixelgeek | Venemo: yes, there is a MeeGo garage, but it only has a couple of apps in it right now. My understanding is that it will somehow be linked in with or replaced by the community OBS that's being discussed in #meego-meeting right now. | 22:51 |
| Venemo | ah. | 22:51 |
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| lbt | yep | 22:52 |
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| lbt | pixelgeek: so... that didn't get to that area .... but it's in scope for the team | 23:00 |
| pixelgeek | yes, I saw the conversation was at a higher level. | 23:01 |
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| pixelgeek | It's one of those catch 22 situations where you want to have a full collection of apps when MeeGo devices start hitting the shelves, but until they do no developers are going to want to port to it, so people will be less willing to buy a MeeGo device. | 23:02 |
| lbt | *nod* ... and the work we're doing is opensource only | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | pixelgeek: Yes, that is a difficult problem to tackle. | 23:03 |
| lcuk | pixelgeek, which way do you want to port? from desktop or from handset | 23:03 |
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| thiago_home | pixelgeek: that's where money comes in | 23:03 |
| lbt | although we'd like to find a way to help commercially oriented app stores too... | 23:03 |
| pixelgeek | Me personally or what do I want to see? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | because for a while now, handset guys have been guided towards creating apps on Maemo which will try to be forwards/upwards compatible | 23:03 |
| thiago_home | just pay some people and companies to write software | 23:04 |
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| lbt | in a sense the community OBS could provide a reference implementation | 23:04 |
| lcuk | hey thiago_home \o | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: heya | 23:04 |
| pixelgeek | I'd like to see apps that are on Android & iPhone -> MeeGo | 23:04 |
| pixelgeek | But I'd also like to see the best of Linux apps there too. | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | again, just pay those companies | 23:05 |
| lcuk | well no doubt one day someone will get bored enough to write an emulator for ios or something | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | pixelgeek: which ones? | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | "best of Linux apps" | 23:05 |
| pixelgeek | :) | 23:05 |
| berndhs | I think the best linux app is nmap :) | 23:05 |
| * thiago_home is quite fond of ddate | 23:05 | |
| lcuk | only because Trinity from the Matrix uses it :P | 23:05 |
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| pixelgeek | tuxracer FTW! | 23:06 |
| lcuk | tuxracer is awesome | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | i suggested it as a data visualisation tool for the NokiaPush snowboarding guys :D | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | does it run on 800x480 without mouse? | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | it runs on my n900 | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | its in extras-something isn't it? | 23:06 |
| * lcuk was playing it at the barbers | 23:07 | |
| * thiago_home was wondering today about all those "best of Linux apps" when we move to Wayland | 23:07 | |
| thiago_home | they'll have to be ported | 23:07 |
| pixelgeek | That's a way off yet, isn't it? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | you will probably see someone just port an x11 server onto wayland? | 23:07 |
| thiago_home | right | 23:07 |
| thiago_home | but running X on top of Wayland will have a cost | 23:07 |
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| thiago_home | performance, memory and disk space | 23:08 |
| lcuk | sure | 23:08 |
| lcuk | new versions of the apps will pop up | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | and wayland should be end of the year, this year | 23:08 |
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| thiago_home | so in 2012, meego devices should be using wayland | 23:08 |
| lcuk | I would imagine porting to wayland would be same consideration as trying to port existing app to ios or android | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | depends on how much Xlib usage the app does | 23:08 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | apps using high-level toolkits like Qt, Gtk or Clutter may not need anything at all | 23:09 |
| thiago_home | for Qt, probably not even recompile | 23:09 |
| lcuk | mind you - we all write proper n-tier apps now, so the decent core of them shouldn't be effected | 23:09 |
| pixelgeek | thiago_home: you just answered the question I was thinking | 23:09 |
| thiago_home | opengl apps won't need much either | 23:09 |
| * pixelgeek +1 for ESP | 23:09 | |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: you don't happen to have a photo or a list of the unconference sessions we actually ended up having? | 23:10 |
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| DawnFoster | I saw a photo | 23:10 |
| hirabayashitaro | Can I ask some technical detail... How the various part of the project are linked together? I mean how do you organize work between the kernel part, the qt part, the interface part, ecc. | 23:10 |
| DawnFoster | hmmm, on flickr maybe | 23:10 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, http://liqbase.net/20101117_011.jpg | 23:10 |
| hirabayashitaro | I suppose there's a page on it, soa link should be good enough | 23:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, thanks | 23:10 |
| DawnFoster | http://www.flickr.com/photos/martingrimme/5192178612/sizes/l/in/pool-1534110@N24/ | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: meego.com -> developers -> architecture, i think | 23:11 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: probably something like "it happens" :-) | 23:11 |
| DawnFoster | maybe qgil or mrshaver have something better | 23:11 |
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| pixelgeek | http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FIqFSp3v3hihPXVjzrQJ4A?feat=directlink | 23:12 |
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| hirabayashitaro | I've already seen that pages. Looks nice. But in concrete terms is there a positive collaboration between them? | 23:13 |
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| pixelgeek | Ah - the others are better | 23:13 |
| hirabayashitaro | Because qt, for example, is non strictly a part of meego project and so it could take decisions which could be not in line with meego plans | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: of course, but this is where good old collaboration across projects exist | 23:14 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: like what? | 23:14 |
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| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: meego is a collection of open source projects | 23:15 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: nothing guarantees that those open source projects will always do what meego wants | 23:15 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: yet it works | 23:15 |
| araujo | hirabayashitaro, that is like saying Qt taking decisions not in line with Linux | 23:15 |
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| thiago_home | porting to Symbian is not really in line with Linux :-) | 23:16 |
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| hirabayashitaro | You have a point, but what I was intending is for example that meego development requires a feature which influences qt development? | 23:17 |
| hirabayashitaro | it should be | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | then meego developers make the contribution to Qt | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | Qt is technically a bad example, so let's take the Linux kernel | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | we need a feature in the kernel, for example adaptation to a particular hardware | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | well, make the feature, submit it to the kernel | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | we really need a reference to forum quite up front on meego.com .. | 23:19 |
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| niala1 | Stskeeps: +1 | 23:19 |
| hirabayashitaro | thiago_home: nice. And a more wide question: how do you manage to achieve a wide support for devices without the consequent problems of compatibility | 23:21 |
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| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: that question is too vague | 23:21 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: the stricti answer is "self-interest" | 23:21 |
| thiago_home | each vendor or person has a self-interest in seeing their hardware work | 23:22 |
| lcuk | a hammer helps sometimes. | 23:22 |
| hirabayashitaro | thiago_home: Well, meego is presented as the universal SO, but it could be so? | 23:22 |
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| thiago_home | it can be | 23:22 |
| thiago_home | like I said, it's self interest | 23:22 |
| auke | I'm wondering if I'll show up in the metrics as the #1 irc kick/banner | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | each person pulls MeeGo in one direction, contributes a little | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | the sum of all contributions is a universal OS | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | you're not going to see Nokia support another manufacturer's device | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | you're seeing Intel do some ARM work, but there's a self-interest reason behind all of that | 23:23 |
| hirabayashitaro | thiago_home: I'm intendig for example, if i have a netbook and an handset I'm expetcing to have no problems to exchange personal data between them | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: that's just data exchange, nothing to do with hardware | 23:24 |
| hirabayashitaro | if you see the slideshow presented at the meego meeting in Tokyo is all a line connecting things toghether | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: minor comment.. it is my impression -packaging@ is actually being used for what would otherwise be 70% of meego-dev traffic, due to the way we have the commits mailing list ("when something goes wrong, take it to meego-packaging") | 23:25 |
| thiago_home | the point is that meego can be that | 23:25 |
| thiago_home | not that it is today | 23:25 |
| thiago_home | and that we have people working in each area to make it a reality | 23:25 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, do you have a link | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: perhaps it'd be worth having -dev be target instead of -packaging, so discussion happens the 'right' place | 23:26 |
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| hirabayashitaro | thiago_home: I appreciate that, what I want to know is in what way you are trying to achieve that | 23:26 |
| hirabayashitaro | you are developing common apps? | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | hirabayashitaro: again a vague question | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | yes | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | some apps are common, some aren't | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | the infrastructure is common, mostly | 23:26 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, read up about qt-mobility | 23:26 |
| thiago_home | the compliancy is common | 23:27 |
| lcuk | a common core of usable practical classes for app builders to use like lego :) | 23:27 |
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| * thiago_home pictures a Lego phone | 23:28 | |
| wmarone | it can be done :D | 23:28 |
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| hirabayashitaro | but who states the limit of what is in meego and what is not? | 23:29 |
| hirabayashitaro | and where the limit is | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, :D | 23:30 |
| hirabayashitaro | if I'd like to implement some funticion for something which requires a special feature in a more basical structure, I can really implement that thing in the core system? | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | prove the concept first | 23:30 |
| lcuk | make people listen | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | get it on roadmap/requirement.. | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | gnite guys \o | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: http://meego.com/developers/meego-roadmap and http://meego.com/developers/requirements | 23:32 |
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| hirabayashitaro | A concrete example about contact managing, which is the only field that I know a bit. If I'm a chinese developer and I need that my contacts must have a bloodtype attribute I should implement that on qt contact schema to guarantee the standardization of devices? | 23:33 |
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| hirabayashitaro | it seems a bit complicated when it comes to more specifical things | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: generally the rule is to work in the projects we use (upstream first) | 23:35 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, you have come asking a specific question about something I have never heard of in contacts. curiously, why do you need blood type? | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i believe that's something along the lines of zodiacs | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.chinapost.com.tw/life/2009/02/03/194440/In-Japan.htm | 23:36 |
| hirabayashitaro | because for chinese people blood type is linked to people attitude | 23:36 |
| wmarone | 'tis | 23:36 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:36 |
| wmarone | good 'ol 血液型 | 23:37 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, what blood type are you? | 23:37 |
| hirabayashitaro | and that's true for all asian countries. All japanese phones have blood type field under contacts | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | O.o | 23:37 |
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| hirabayashitaro | B型 | 23:37 |
| hirabayashitaro | you should have understood it from what I typed :D | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | B+? | 23:38 |
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| hirabayashitaro | CosmoHill: yes | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | "Security review has been completed and it is now acceptable from a security | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | perspective to open the Core OBS to anonymous read-only access." | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | :) | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: i think there's definately some kind of room for geographical area work groups in meego | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | collecting requirements that people wouldn't normally think about not being from certain areas | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | like, blood type field support in a contact card :) | 23:40 |
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| ShadowJK | I wonder if there's a demand for bra size field :> | 23:41 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: It could, but it's kind difficult to find things in meego. (Not a critical observation, though it could seem so) | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: always a problem with fast growing projects, things don't look as streamlined :) | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | but you're right | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | what top 5 things are you missing? | 23:42 |
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| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: "All japanese phones have blood type field under contacts" -> really? | 23:43 |
| wmarone | Venemo: really | 23:43 |
| Venemo | for what purpose? | 23:43 |
| wmarone | even my sanyo dumbphone from 2003 had it | 23:43 |
| wmarone | Venemo: horoscope-style stuff | 23:43 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: mine had it, and my friends' too | 23:43 |
| Venemo | even I don't know my blood type | 23:43 |
| anidel | can you send a group text to all, say, B+ people in your contact list? | 23:44 |
| wmarone | :/ well, you should at least know it for emergency purposes | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine in asia particulary you might also want to have a picture of someone's business card associated with a contact entry? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | wmarone: I guess it's written down in somewhere. I just can't recall it | 23:44 |
| wmarone | anidel: I think it's mostly vanity, though on meego it'd certainly be possible :) | 23:44 |
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| anidel | wmarone: that'd be helpful though :) | 23:45 |
| anidel | "I need your blood! Hurry!" | 23:45 |
| hirabayashitaro | Asian market (people?) is kinda weird, and I suppose that part of the fail of Nokia in that area of the world is due to the misunderstanding of their specificity which they are proud to defend | 23:45 |
| hirabayashitaro | Anyway... | 23:46 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: by the way, where are you from? | 23:47 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: Italy | 23:47 |
| anidel | whereabout in Italy ? | 23:47 |
| hirabayashitaro | Well, born in Umbria, and studying in Florence | 23:48 |
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| anidel | japanese parents I suppose? | 23:49 |
| hirabayashitaro | anidel: no, just Japanese student | 23:49 |
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| hirabayashitaro | anidel: And I must go back to study for my Japanese philology exam soon | 23:50 |
| anidel | isn't quite late over there? | 23:50 |
| hirabayashitaro | It is, but had no time today (and I were not in the mood of dealing with conjugations | 23:51 |
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| anidel | there'll be a MeeGo Day in Bologna in March, will you be going ? | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, how do you enter text on a handheld? | 23:53 |
| anidel | it's not an official MeeGo event (although Intel Italia's sponsoring it): http://www.meegoit.com/ | 23:53 |
| hirabayashitaro | anidel: I'm considering to go | 23:54 |
| anidel | lcuk: I guess they do like chinese? | 23:54 |
| wmarone | lcuk: well, in the case of Maemo it's an IME similar to standard desktop linuxes | 23:54 |
| wmarone | you type in romaji, and hit space to convert from the kana to kanji | 23:55 |
| hirabayashitaro | anidel: I'm considering to go | 23:55 |
| lcuk | so multiple keypresses per character? | 23:55 |
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| wmarone | lcuk: it's not unlike typing in english | 23:55 |
| anidel | hirabayashitaro, go, it'll be interesting and it's 2hrs away from Florence | 23:55 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: no, simply software that proposes different possibilities for any imput | 23:56 |
| lcuk | right, like the predictive keyboard as discussed for English by myself marnanel and the Collabora guys and whoever else | 23:56 |
| hirabayashitaro | anidel: The fact is that I'm not a programmer, and it is mainly about technical stuff | 23:56 |
| anidel | hirabayashitaro, nope, it's an introduction to MeeGo.. or at least, it should | 23:57 |
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| wmarone | lcuk: sorta, though you have the additional kanji conversion step | 23:58 |
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| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: there are plenty IMEs for CJK out there. For maemo the problem was only the integration with the normal input | 23:58 |
| anidel | mmm just read the program, indeed it's quite technical save for the first talks | 23:58 |
| lcuk | wmarone, hirabayashitaro - you both have experience with these IMEs | 23:58 |
| anidel | lcuk, you've never tried or seen one ? | 23:59 |
| hirabayashitaro | anidel: I'll have a look at the program... | 23:59 |
| lcuk | most people in the channel however do not - I am merely curious and opening conversation :) | 23:59 |
| anidel | lcuk, I remember I tried one, but was actually drawing rather than using pijing (is that the correct name?) | 23:59 |
| lcuk | the only real non qwerty IME I have experience with is cellphone abc and T9 which both sound similar | 23:59 |
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