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* jhoe http://kostallnetwork.blogspot.com07:41
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CosmoHillvgrade: ping14:17
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CosmoHillnuts14:27
lcukCosmoHill, \o14:27
CosmoHillhey lcuk14:27
alteregohelio`: lcuk14:27
alteregoI meat Hello .. not helio` ...14:28
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lcukjust say hello to helio` anyway :D14:29
alterego:)14:30
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CosmoHillwhen is the MeeGo Cambridge meeting?14:32
CosmoHillthursday isn't it?14:32
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lcukTuesday I thought14:33
vgradeCosmoHIll Tuesday, sec while I find alink14:33
alteregoWednesday14:33
alteregoWait what?14:34
vgradeSorry14:34
alteregoUrm, now I'm confused.14:34
alteregoIt does look like Tuesday14:34
alterego(For some reason I had it in my mind the 4th was a Wednesday)14:34
vgradehttp://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16242&postcount=2514:35
alteregoWait, it is a wednesday!14:35
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CosmoHillvgrade: can i PM you something?14:35
alteregoStop confusing me and making me look at the wrong bloody month in my calendar :P14:35
vgradeyup14:35
lcukwait, what?14:36
lcuk#Meego Meeting When, Wednesday, February 2 · 7:30pm - 10:30pm, Where, Clowns, Cambridge 54 King Street14:36
alteregolcuk: yes, that's correct.14:36
lcukI thought Tuesday too14:36
vgradesorry guys14:36
vgradenot awake yet14:37
lcukwas the original one due for a Tuesday?14:37
alteregoNo, it's definitely Wednesday14:37
alteregolcuk: we were talking about tuesday or wednesday in the beginning and I said I prefered wednesday14:37
lcukso folks around Camrbidge on Wednesday night14:37
alteregoYess14:38
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lcukI am vanishing again \o ttyl14:40
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CosmoHilltalk to you later or /dev/tty1 ?14:44
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Teth0ruXhello, one uquetion.. When i close my netbook, meebo goes in the standby status15:05
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Teth0ruXand when i open it, meebo starts but the screen doen not light15:05
Teth0ruXit is black15:05
CosmoHillit could be a graphics issue15:06
Teth0ruXsure? when i restart the netbook (with a hard power off) anything is right15:06
CosmoHilli mean it puts the computer into standby and turns off the graphics15:07
CosmoHillwhen it wakes up it doesn't turn the graphics back on15:07
Teth0ruXhm15:07
CosmoHillthis is what I think happens on my laptop with red hat15:07
Teth0ruXhm15:07
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Teth0ruXwhan can i do?15:11
CosmoHillcheck to see if there is a bug, if there is add to it, if there isn't then create one15:12
Teth0ruXOk15:12
Teth0ruXor... could it be a bios problem?15:12
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CosmoHillthat would be device specific, you could play around with setting and see what happesn15:13
Teth0ruXokay :D thanks so much!15:14
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CosmoHilldammit, I've spent so long on my dissertation both Windows and Linux have released a new version15:16
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RST38hYou spent that time with the purpose.15:20
RST38hThey spent it to release the same old crap, just more hideous15:21
CosmoHill"we’ve added support for network boot as well as the ability to dual boot with Linux"15:21
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azaghalHi. A quick check - does MeeGo support installation to a LVM? (saw a thread mentioning it doesn't, just want to double-check)16:47
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timophStskeeps: does meego have project irc cloaks?17:50
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mikhasandre, why does bugs.meego.com require registered accounts for email addresses I want to add to the CC list of a bug?17:55
Stskeepstimoph: i'm GRF, we should start a process/discussion..17:55
Stskeepstimoph: on how they're delegated17:55
* araujo thinks that'd be nice17:56
Stskeepsand more importantly, how they look :P17:56
timoph;)17:56
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timophsomething like /meego/quality/timoph or /meego/arm/stskeeps17:57
Stskeepswell, i belong under RE for god knows what reason17:57
timoph:)17:58
Stskeepsbut yre17:58
Stskeepseah17:58
timophdunno how explicitly the project has to show in the cloak. e.g. does quality include qa tools, etc. I'd use high level things and not go into subproject level with those18:00
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timophdunno how many different cloaks we would need just for the high level things..18:02
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timophhmmh. actually the different possibilites are pretty much listed in meego.gitorious.org18:03
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alteregoDo we use KIWI to build images?18:11
alterego(The automated images in repo.meego.com)18:12
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Stskeepsno18:13
alteregoSo the automated images are done with mic then?18:13
* alterego ignores the wiki section on obs wiki18:14
Stskeepsboss plus mic, afaik18:14
alteregom'kay18:14
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Stskeepsat some point these were actually manual, i think18:17
alteregoHeh18:17
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alteregoI guess from this obs cache, I could in theory generate netbook images and all sorts18:23
alteregoAs it's a complete mirror of the meego repo right?18:23
alteregoBoth i586 and armv7el18:24
Stskeepsright18:24
alteregoWicked18:24
Stskeepsno non-oss though18:24
alteregoOf course18:24
Stskeepsand handset/netbook isnt imported by default, just core18:24
alteregoOkay18:24
Stskeepsbut should be easy to hack..18:24
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dm8tbrbtw: I guess netbook UX wouldn't build for ARM?18:29
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Alison_ChaikenHere's an analogy suggested to me by Angela Hey, a local tech columnist here in CA.    For all of you gray-haired folks who remember Un*x wars, SysV:BSD::Android:MeeGo.18:31
alteregodm8tbr: I'd hope it does build.18:32
Alison_ChaikenBSD trumped SysV on technical excellence.    We still have a lot of work to do there.18:32
dm8tbralterego: anyone ever tried?18:32
alteregodm8tbr: not sure,18:33
alteregodm8tbr: is there no netbook in armv7el repo?18:33
dm8tbralterego: as it would e.g. make sense for my A101 and another guy in helsinki had exactly this idea for his a101 (that's why I'm asking)18:33
dm8tbrlet me check18:33
dm8tbrI never did, shame on me.18:33
alteregoDoesn't look like it :/18:34
dm8tbrhumh, what's 1.1.90? to-be-1.3?18:34
alteregoI thought it was 1.218:34
timophyep. to-be-1.218:34
alterego1.3 with be 1.2.90 :P18:34
dm8tbrso 1.1.80 is dead?18:35
timophAFAIK .8 changes to .9 after feature freeze18:35
alteregoIt's all part of the release cycle feature freeze18:35
dm8tbraaah18:35
dm8tbrthanks for reminding me18:35
alteregoThat's strange18:37
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alteregoFor some reason I'd have thought the'd build netbook for all supported architectures :)18:37
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odin_so is Android technically excellent then ?18:39
thiago_homeif you look at their libc, most certainly not18:41
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alteregothiago_home: they have their own libc?18:42
thiago_homeyes, called bionic18:42
thiago_homebuggy a hell18:42
odin_if(naive_customer || 0) { for(;;) { send_data_to_google(); sleep(3600); } }18:42
alteregoI wonder why they decided to do that ..18:42
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Stskeepsdm8tbr: it is more of a GLESv2 vs GL issue (netbook)18:43
Stskeepsalterego: NIH18:43
Stskeepsdm8tbr: and noone taking care of it in meego, job open :P18:44
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alteregoHeh18:44
Stskeeps(n900 team mostly takes care of handset and core only)18:44
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Stskeepscore's the tough job18:45
odin_Buggy Implementation Of Newly Implemented Code ?  "bionic"18:46
javispedroalterego: also, with glibc they would probably put "STALLMAN GOING POSTAL WITH GPLv3" on their risks list, while bionic is of course Google's to decide.18:46
javispedroso that they allow for propietary devices.18:46
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alteregoHrm18:47
alteregoYeah18:47
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alteregoI suppose there system is basically, kernel + libc + dalik18:47
odin_dalvik18:47
alterego:)18:48
thiago_homethere are a number of low-level libraries too, like libhardware18:49
javispedroand don't forget about openbinder.18:49
* javispedro kinda liked it18:50
alteregoOh, I didn't realise that the package count was per arch :/18:52
alteregoSo I've got another 2663 packages to download for arm :D18:52
thiago_homesee http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/libhardware.git;a=blob;f=include/hardware/sensors.h;hb=refs/heads/donut#l8018:52
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dm8tbrStskeeps: ah, yes EGL vs GL. why didn't I think of it earlier19:33
Stskeepsdm8tbr: -supposedly- clutter can switch to egl mode but..19:34
dm8tbr*nod*19:34
* dm8tbr takes a note of a possible for fun and visible project :)19:34
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Stskeepsi think kulve was looking at that too19:35
kulveupstream clutter is missing TFP for EGL which is needed for window manager stuff (like Mutter)19:36
Stskeepsah19:36
Stskeepsi thought maemo had something like that, but that might have been for nokia's extension19:37
kulveThere's a patch for a bit older clutter in Linaro and I built stuff with those patches for OMAP3 but didn't have time to test anything yet19:37
kulveMaemo did have it yes, but for clutter 0.8 only. Linaro have it 1.2 and the latest is 1.519:37
Stskeeps:nod:19:37
dm8tbrkulve: ah, I might be sending someone your way. one of our guys from helsinki is interested in this for his Archos10119:38
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velikulve: \o/19:51
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kulveveli: moro :)19:52
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velikulve: moi!19:52
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lbtJaffa: ping19:58
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Jaffalbt: pong; but just about to bath the children...20:24
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lbtJaffa: later is fine ... comments about MWN and Maemo20:27
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GAN900lbt, should we cast it off? *g*20:55
lbt:)20:55
lbtI actually mean Apps/Surrounds/OBS and Maemo20:56
GAN900And, damnit, it's Sunday again.20:56
GAN900Working Sundays really throws off one's sense of weekly progession.20:57
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alteregolbt: I set up a localobs today, going to work on a fremantle target21:01
lbtalterego: OK - bear in mind that we're significantly down the road on the maemo OBS21:01
lbtso do start with that!21:01
alterego:)21:02
alteregoyou mean the diablo obs?21:02
alteregoI'd imagine technically they're almost identical except for toolchain, rootfs and packages21:03
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lbtI mean fremantle21:03
lbtdo you mean diable?21:03
lbto21:03
lbthttps://build.obs.maemo.org/  (which seems to be down :( )21:04
dm8tbrreminds me to rebuild the fosdem2010 app with the 2011 schedule with my obs at work tomorrow21:04
dm8tbryes, exactly because that is down ;)21:04
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alteregolbt: no I mean fremantle but I know there's a diablo target, are you saying obs.maemo.org can do fremantle?21:05
lbtyep ... it successfully builds a big chunk of 'Extras'21:05
lbtI'm not aware of a Diablo target ... and I'd like one21:06
lbt'cos then we could replace the autobuilder21:06
alteregoOh cool, didn't know that. So how can I import that infra into my local obs which can build meego against i586 and armv7el core?21:06
alteregolbt: well, there's some wiki page on maemo.org which talks about diablo obs21:07
lbtalterego: get an account there when it's back21:07
lbtalterego: link ?21:07
alteregoAnd it's also mentioned on the suse obs wiki21:07
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alteregolbt: if you go to the suse obs wiki and go to "users" it's at the bottom of that page iirc21:08
alteregoI'm afk at the moment so I can't get it myself.21:08
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Stskeepslbt: i (personally) think there's value to meego oss 'app store' allowing to build meego api apps for fremantle..21:09
Stskeepsie, my idea about the oss subset21:09
Stskeepsie, don't move entire extras to OBS, but add the 'store' software to n90021:10
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Stskeepsin fact, i'll be provocative and suggest rpm alongside on maemo, pre-seeded with meego api names :)21:12
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alteregoHeh21:13
JaffaStskeeps: MeeGo API on Maemo 5 is... intriguing. What elements are in the MeeGo API which aren't covered by Qt & Qt Mobility et al?21:13
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StskeepsJaffa: http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html21:14
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thiago_homemeego api = opengles + qt + qt mobility21:18
thiago_homeso n900 has technically everything21:18
thiago_homebut not the platform API, nor is it compliant21:18
dm8tbrso don't call it meego, call it mg ;)21:20
timophor stick the hildon stuff on top of meego core21:21
thiago_homehildon will not be able to make apps look like meego21:21
thiago_homejust like QWidget couldn't21:22
timophah. true21:22
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timophwas thinking about the compliance thing21:22
thiago_homemaemo5 is definitely not a meego-compliant device21:23
thiago_homehowever, it has the meego api21:23
RST38hfurthermore,maemo5 is not a device21:23
timoph:)21:23
thiago_homeright21:23
thiago_homeso let me rephrase: a device running maemo5 is not a meego-compliant device21:23
timophyep. but meego core + hildon would be?21:24
Stskeepstimoph: hildon desktop, i suppose?21:24
timophStskeeps: yes21:24
Stskeepstimoph: that one is more complicated :)21:25
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Jaffalbt: back21:35
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lbtJaffa: hey22:12
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Jaffalbt: hey! :-)23:10
* CosmoHill watches a hamster roll past23:11
lbtJaffa: sry23:11
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lbtgoing to whistler in Feb/Mar.... looking for a room \o/23:12
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lbtso Jaffa... I was just going to suggest that you put something into MWN about the future of Maemo23:15
lbtautobuilder23:16
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Jaffalbt: Indeed. As noted earlier (and by thp), diablo supports the kicker for a complete OBS replacement.23:18
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lbtyes, and it may be good to start planning the maemo migration ...23:18
lbtI don't even know what that means :)23:18
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Matan[M]oh god WP7 ssssuuuxxx23:48
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Matan[M]Orange Poland did show with testing WP7, god hate WP7, and me too23:49
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