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| crowgsm | hello | 00:23 |
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| araujo | hi | 00:24 |
| crowgsm | is enyone here? | 00:24 |
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| araujo | yes :) | 00:24 |
| crowgsm | lol i have 2 qestion abt wifi and meego | 00:24 |
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| crowgsm | i got eeepc 901 and i cant install drivers any ideas?? | 00:25 |
| crowgsm | is say device cant be find\ | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | o_O http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2248207/Embedded-Linux-1-Second-Cold-Boot-To-QT | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | wth makes normal apps take longer to run? | 01:41 |
| Raim | lcuk: if I understand correctly, they also boot the kernel in less than a second, not only the app | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | nearly every year a report about someone doing one boot seconds appears | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | javispedro: it would be nice if one year it was an OS | 01:56 |
| javispedro | it's called Haiku | 01:57 |
| javispedro | and MS-DOS | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | I can get MS-DOS on MSDN-AA :) | 01:59 |
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| Raim | CosmoHill: seriously? the lowest version I get is XP | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | i hate that you need a windows computer to download anything | 02:02 |
| Raim | works with wine | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | you downlaod anything and the first thing you get is a 1kb .exe file :( | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | I'm on a ppc mac | 02:02 |
| Raim | but the concept is still wrong | 02:02 |
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| CosmoHill | bitch is rejecting my username and password | 02:04 |
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| CosmoHill | Raim: I'm pretty sure I saw Dos 6.0 or something on there | 02:23 |
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| Raim | CosmoHill: as far as I know the products are specific to each university | 02:23 |
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| Raim | CosmoHill: so it's possible they offer that at yours but not at mine | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | yes, I asked if we could have the Win7 RC on ours and it got added | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | the down side is that some people aren't very smart | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | and wondered why their OS suddenly stopped working | 02:24 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:43 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Termana | 02:54 |
| CosmoHill | you're getting out of bed just as I'm getting in | 02:54 |
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| vgrade | aus | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | UK | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | but it's very early in the morning | 03:02 |
| wmarone | vgrade: did you ever hit an issue where output from the kernel on boot was invisible, but still there? | 03:06 |
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| CosmoHill | someone remind me to go on a killing spree on monday | 03:14 |
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| berndhs | most jurisdictions really frown on killing sprees | 03:16 |
| CosmoHill | yes but this is a forum | 03:17 |
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| berndhs | yeah but still, forum users are people too | 03:18 |
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| CosmoHill | i would be bots i'd be killing | 03:18 |
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| CosmoHill | i've taken a week of caring to demonstrate a point | 03:19 |
| CosmoHill | *off | 03:19 |
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| berndhs | can't you just detain them indefinetely ? start your own gitmo maybe | 03:20 |
| CosmoHill | i think the spam issue would be improved if we upgraded vbulletin to the current version | 03:21 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:24 |
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| vgrade | wmarone, I'm playing with kernels on the vega at he moment and all except the stock built one gives me a lank screen | 03:28 |
| vgrade | there is a line commented out in the gtab tegrafb code I have seen which updates the screen | 03:30 |
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| steventao | morning | 03:46 |
| vgrade | morning | 03:46 |
| steventao | I am new developer about Meego. I have some problem to use app_compliance | 03:47 |
| vgrade | not familiar with that, | 03:47 |
| steventao | I try to use app_compliance -m ~/download/MeeGo-API-pkglist.txt ~/download/camera-adaption-layer-0.2.0-1.23.src.rpm | 03:47 |
| steventao | It always show "Must specify options refimage, corelist and meego_api_pkglist" | 03:49 |
| steventao | Is there anything wrong? | 03:49 |
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| vgrade | bug 11255 has some details on app_compliance which may give you some clues | 03:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11255 nor, Undecided, ---, jian-feng.ding, NEW, Unable to generate report | 03:53 |
| vgrade | time for bed in the UK, night | 03:55 |
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| wmarone | vgrade: thanks for the update | 04:46 |
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| hlzxy | obs web interface show :Connection reset by peer. anybody know it? | 08:09 |
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| hlzxy | obs web interface show :Connection reset by peer. anybody know it? | 08:26 |
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| mixpeg | hi all!!! | 09:47 |
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| mixpeg | hi all! | 09:54 |
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| mixpeg | i have problem. pppoe conection | 09:55 |
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| mixpeg | how to pppoe??? | 09:55 |
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| hlzxy_ | anyone know "Connection reset by peer" in obs web interface, now I can not open obs web ui | 10:00 |
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| X-Fade | hlzxy_: Which obs? Core or community? | 10:07 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: local .. | 10:07 |
| X-Fade | hlzxy_: Then the webui can't connect to the api. | 10:09 |
| X-Fade | hlzxy_: check your config and if the api is running. | 10:09 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: what's mean : api is running? | 10:09 |
| X-Fade | hlzxy_: Check if you can connect to the api vhost in your browser. | 10:10 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: no. | 10:11 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: but I think I changed nothing. | 10:11 |
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| X-Fade | hlzxy_: try to restart your webserver. (lighttpd?) | 10:12 |
| peanuthull | hi,how can i get the access to the obs system ? | 10:13 |
| X-Fade | peanuthull: Which one? | 10:13 |
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| peanuthull | meego | 10:15 |
| X-Fade | peanuthull: core or community? | 10:15 |
| peanuthull | core | 10:15 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: I run "rclighttpd restart" , nothing change. | 10:16 |
| X-Fade | peanuthull: File a bug at http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Build%20Service and request access there. Explain why you need it. | 10:16 |
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| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: I just remote to server to modify the obs repo ,and load some packages with srync. | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | hlzxy_: Well you first need a working api web service. I'd suggest you to try to get that up. | 10:20 |
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| peanuthull | Register a account? bug? | 10:21 |
| peanuthull | Build Service Accounts, currently this restricted to approved contributors. | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | peanuthull: core community is for people who is approved to have direct submission rights to meego.com, ie, working on the product | 10:22 |
| peanuthull | o,i see,tks! | 10:24 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade:yes, I can not open lighttpd.conf file . | 10:27 |
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| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: now I use Admin ,and can connect api. but other port no change. | 10:34 |
| hlzxy_ | X-Fade: and I must refresh once and It will show right when I connet to api | 10:36 |
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| lcuk | morning folks \o | 10:47 |
| Joppeffs | well hello there | 10:48 |
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| jtm3 | Hi | 10:52 |
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| jtm3 | Yes, I think | 10:52 |
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| lcuk | anyone know what time the daily images appear? | 10:53 |
| lcuk | http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk | 10:53 |
| lcuk | is showing 13th as latest | 10:53 |
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| jtm3 | *<* Signoff: hlzxy_ (Quit: Page closed) | 11:01 |
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| jtm3 | >X-fade< jtmanner | 11:01 |
| jtm3 | [X-Fade] That account doesn't exist. Did you create it recently? | 11:01 |
| jtm3 | >X-fade< yesterday | 11:01 |
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| Myrtti | fail. | 11:01 |
| jtm3 | yeah | 11:02 |
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| Myrtti | moin, btw | 11:12 |
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| lcuk | morning Myrtti \o how are you this chilly morning? | 11:15 |
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| Myrtti | don't know if it's chilly really, haven't checked the temperature here | 11:16 |
| Myrtti | looks somewhat nicer out than yesterday | 11:16 |
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| Tm_T | rather nice around here, -12 °C, bright, slowly snowing | 11:18 |
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| lcuk | nice | 11:20 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, which country are you in? | 11:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: Germany | 11:22 |
| lcuk | hiya Venemo_N900 \o | 11:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey lcuk | 11:22 |
| lcuk | awesome Myrtti, holiday? | 11:23 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, am not in #meego-bar I am here flashing pinetrail image and rummaging under my bed for mmc card for n900 | 11:24 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: the usual thing - I have no specific reason for being here, working from 'home' like I would in UK/Finland, weekends are for sightseeing. | 11:24 |
| jmanty | Hi! Are there currently nightly builds available for MeeGo? | 11:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: ok. | 11:25 |
| andre__ | jmanty: there are biweekly builds, as far as I know | 11:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: so what's a pinetrail image? | 11:25 |
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| lcuk | jmanty, http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk | 11:25 |
| andre__ | uh? nice | 11:26 |
| jmanty | andre__: lcuk: Thanks | 11:26 |
| lcuk | plenty of image builds for different variations | 11:26 |
| lcuk | andre__, yeah :) | 11:26 |
| * lcuk slides a coffee over ;) | 11:26 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, so hotel or staying with friends? | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: short term rental | 11:27 |
| lcuk | oh thats a decent idea | 11:27 |
| Myrtti | I can't work relying on hotel wifi/prepay 3G dongle with restrictions | 11:27 |
| Myrtti | so this place has cable internets, a pantry kitchen and nice surroundings | 11:28 |
| lcuk | decent, which city are you in/near? | 11:28 |
| Myrtti | Berlin, close to Bellevue station | 11:29 |
| lcuk | jmanty, which image/device are you specifically interested in? | 11:29 |
| lcuk | Berlin is a lovely city :) | 11:29 |
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| mece | o/ | 11:30 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you never got to the c-base for maemo summit there did you? | 11:30 |
| Myrtti | nope :-( | 11:30 |
| lcuk | hiya mece \o | 11:30 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, see if theres any events on, its an experience :) | 11:30 |
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| mece | is there a notification framework that works for meego? | 11:31 |
| lcuk | mece, on handset I gather? | 11:31 |
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| mece | lcuk no in general | 11:31 |
| mece | lcuk, but also handset | 11:32 |
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| mece | lcuk, would be best if it worked on everything, of course | 11:32 |
| mece | lcuk, it's one thing that qt doesn't seem to provide. | 11:32 |
| mece | I use libhildon-notify for maemo5 and libnotify for other linux in my app. | 11:33 |
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| lcuk | mece, well libnotify does exist afaik (as noticed by bug 10453) | 11:34 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10453 nor, Undecided, ---, syncevolution-bugs, RESO FIXED, patch for libnotify 0.7 | 11:34 |
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| lcuk | last night a posting was made to slashdot which seemed to show something quite o_O inspiring | 11:37 |
| lcuk | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2248207/Embedded-Linux-1-Second-Cold-Boot-To-QT | 11:37 |
| lcuk | a detailed slideshow of the work is here http://www.slideshare.net/andrewmurraympc/elce-the | 11:38 |
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| lcuk | now its obviously a seriously hacked up extreme example, but o_O at startup time (of the app, I am ignoring the rest of the bootup sequence) | 11:39 |
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| mece | lcuk, ok nice. Then I can use that. Very cool. | 11:49 |
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| Myrtti | meh, it's pissing down again | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | depressing | 12:10 |
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| lcuk | walk around in a handstand all day. its amazing how much better it feels for the rain to get sucked out of the ground and try everything | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | dry ^ | 12:13 |
| * lardman wonders how the touch sensitivity is on the N900 when using ones toes | 12:14 | |
| psycho_oreos | not very touch sensitive I bet | 12:14 |
| lardman | perhaps lcuk has grown specially shaped toenails? | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | heh | 12:16 |
| lardman | interesting that link you posted | 12:17 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah | 12:18 |
| lcuk | if all our apps had startup times resembling that the UX would be really improved | 12:18 |
| lardman | and pre-loading as I guess you can't get away with paring Qt back too much | 12:19 |
| lardman | though the linking ordering stuff is interesting | 12:19 |
| lardman | not sure how "Optimise flash accesses" differs from "Re-order QT application" in his table, will have to have another look-see | 12:20 |
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| Paddy_NI | When will the next release of meego be out in the wild? | 12:28 |
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| Stskeeps | every day, every week | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:28 |
| Paddy_NI | Stskeeps: stable | 12:28 |
| Paddy_NI | still 1.1 afaik | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | 5-6 months after 1.1 | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's a steady release schedule | 12:29 |
| Paddy_NI | ah cool | 12:29 |
| Paddy_NI | nice one | 12:29 |
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| Paddy_NI | pity meego did not borrow from the ubuntu kernel... wifi and mobile broadband support is not there.. kinda silly considering its a netbook OS | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's silly there's an ubuntu kenrel in the first place | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:30 |
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| Paddy_NI | yeah more hardware support is silly | 12:30 |
| Myrtti | I didn't know there was a ubuntu kernel... | 12:30 |
| Myrtti | oh well | 12:30 |
| Myrtti | live and learn | 12:30 |
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| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: which ever kernel ubuntu uses includes drivers the meego variant does not | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | you mean modules | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | THIS IS LINUUUUUUXXXX | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 12:31 |
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| Paddy_NI | You knew what I meant | 12:31 |
| [Rapunzel] | THIS IS SPAAARTA | 12:31 |
| [Rapunzel] | :) | 12:31 |
| Paddy_NI | How are you anyway Myrtti, long time no see | 12:32 |
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| Myrtti | nothing special really, learning QML | 12:33 |
| Tm_T | long time no "lääkkeet!" | 12:33 |
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| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: I am using chakra myself at the moment.. but kde is a little to hefty for a netbook IMHO | 12:34 |
| Paddy_NI | plasma-netbook only changes the layout.. nothing more | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | who said anything about KDE | 12:34 |
| Paddy_NI | chakra | 12:34 |
| Paddy_NI | I did | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | I couldn't care less about KDE, XFCE all the way :-> | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | right, never heard | 12:35 |
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| Paddy_NI | when xfce lives up to its "light weight" tag I will give it a go on this netbook | 12:37 |
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| Myrtti | *shrug* atleast Xubuntu doesn't even claim to be lightweight anymore | 12:38 |
| Paddy_NI | would be nice if dells dkms was included in meego by default :( | 12:38 |
| Myrtti | and I don't use it because of that | 12:38 |
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| tallship | yo | 13:09 |
| tallship | sup | 13:09 |
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| tallship | dude | 13:09 |
| tallship | heh. | 13:09 |
| tallship | what-ev | 13:10 |
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| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: Why do you use XFCE? | 13:14 |
| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: not liking unity and gnome-shell ? | 13:14 |
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| Myrtti | Paddy_NI: because I've used Xubuntu for years, and I like it more? | 13:16 |
| lcuk | haha | 13:16 |
| lcuk | meego handset image boots on my lenovo x200s :) | 13:16 |
| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: Yeah just wondering what about xfce you like | 13:16 |
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| Myrtti | Paddy_NI: *shrug* | 13:16 |
| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: considering its really just a stripped down gnome.. is that it? | 13:16 |
| Myrtti | less clutter? | 13:17 |
| Paddy_NI | true | 13:17 |
| Myrtti | haven't really given it more thought | 13:17 |
| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: what are the xubuntu defaults (apps) | 13:17 |
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| Myrtti | thunderbird, firefox, abiword, gnumeric, pidgin, exaile, and such | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | I just tend to install a lot of extra stuff | 13:21 |
| Paddy_NI | Myrtti: ah nice.. so no Midori default | 13:21 |
| Paddy_NI | I do like thunar | 13:21 |
| Paddy_NI | never had any problems with it | 13:21 |
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| Paddy_NI | lcuk: Heh... what's that like? | 13:24 |
| Paddy_NI | sounds like fun | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | Paddy_NI, no touchscreen, so not ideal | 13:26 |
| lcuk | but was surprised it booted on regular laptop :) | 13:26 |
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| Paddy_NI | lcuk: ah.. hehe I had forgot about touch | 13:26 |
| lcuk | i then took it to my packard bell onetwo allinone 20" touchscreen computer :) | 13:27 |
| lcuk | and it booted | 13:27 |
| lcuk | :O | 13:27 |
| Paddy_NI | lcuk: must look funny | 13:27 |
| lcuk | well it was shocking to get it there | 13:27 |
| Paddy_NI | yeah odd that it even has support for the processor | 13:27 |
| Paddy_NI | Yum.. smoked hickory sausages | 13:28 |
| Paddy_NI | :D | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg | 13:29 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: kudos | 13:31 |
| Paddy_NI | nice | 13:32 |
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| lcuk | question: How come handset build does not adapt to available screen resolution? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | as seen on the onetwo picture above, it comes up smaller | 13:39 |
| lcuk | the same issue hit the ideapad too | 13:39 |
| lcuk | and the x200s | 13:39 |
| lcuk | and stuff | 13:39 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: maybe the handset build is more device specific so the resolution is fixed | 13:45 |
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| CosmoHill | i.e. our computer's / laptops could be a number of resolutions but the n900 only has one | 13:46 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, its not fixed | 13:46 |
| lcuk | because with a config option it fills the screen | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#Get_correct_resolution_on_IdeaPad | 13:47 |
| CosmoHill | it determines the screen'/s resolution using, damming what's that thing | 13:47 |
| CosmoHill | the thing where the monitor tells the computer what model it is | 13:47 |
| lcuk | xorg.config or something? | 13:48 |
| lcuk | the x server is at full res | 13:48 |
| lcuk | cos the cursor goes all the way to the corners | 13:48 |
| CosmoHill | oh i see | 13:48 |
| CosmoHill | i thought it was only that little bit | 13:48 |
| CosmoHill | could the handset UX have a maximum size then? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | infact on on the onetwo picture ^^^ see the mouse cursor | 13:49 |
| lcuk | x11 starts it in the centre of the screen | 13:49 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, no its certainly configurable | 13:49 |
| lcuk | if I boot my ideapad now with todays daily image | 13:49 |
| lcuk | it will boot to 800*480 | 13:49 |
| lcuk | and have a black border | 13:50 |
| lcuk | but in the configured install on the disk itself | 13:50 |
| lcuk | the same software fills screen | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | bug 12455 | 14:08 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 nor, Undecided, ---, jesse.barnes, NEW, Displayed UI does not adapt to available screen resolution | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, do you find that problem when putting meego onto various devices? | 14:11 |
| lcuk | or is it something you have just learnt to change when you drop it onto new hw? | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | heya tekojo \o | 14:13 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 14:13 |
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| Mece_ | 'ello | 14:36 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 14:37 |
| Mece_ | can one use stuff from repo.meego.com on wetab? | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Mece_: there's people who's booting handset ux on wetab, at least | 14:40 |
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| lardman | Random, just looked out the window to see a fireladder passing by | 14:41 |
| Mece_ | Stskeeps, I was thinking app and library-wise | 14:41 |
| Mece_ | Stskeeps, are there apps in repo.meego.com even? | 14:41 |
| fregl | hi, is there anywhere I can find info on accessibility for meego? | 14:41 |
| CosmoHill | fregl: you could try the FAQs | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/accessibility-framework-meego | 14:42 |
| lcuk | was a session at the conf | 14:42 |
| fregl | thanks lcuk | 14:42 |
| lcuk | and I recall that tdriver should be usable for this purpose | 14:42 |
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| fregl | lcuk: what is tdriver? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | its one of the support libs within qt which uses introspection to discover the UI component tree (or something) | 14:44 |
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| * lcuk waves hands around | 14:44 | |
| lcuk | once you know the components in the UI< you can deal with accessiblity with screen reader components and stuff | 14:45 |
| fregl | lcuk: yes, I'd like to know what framework will be used for that since qt currently is lacking on that side | 14:45 |
| fregl | too bad there seems to be no slides for the a11y session at meego conf :( | 14:46 |
| lcuk | fregl, contact the authors of that session and start/continue discussion and help push it forward :) | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | mail author | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | its good that people care :) | 14:46 |
| fregl | call me blind, there is no one on the page | 14:46 |
| lcuk | hmm, bug #1 with accessibility. | 14:47 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | lol | 14:47 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:48 |
| lcuk | presenters: | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | http://conference2010.meego.com/people/np | 14:48 |
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| lcuk | http://conference2010.meego.com/people/muktha | 14:48 |
| lcuk | found here: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/sessions/proposed?page=6 | 14:48 |
| lcuk | but not on the page itself, thats a drastic accessibility failure if ever I saw one | 14:48 |
| fregl | lcuk: thank you so much ?D | 14:49 |
| fregl | :D | 14:49 |
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| kwpsbrasil | hey | 14:50 |
| kwpsbrasil | Games for cell, for linux and other things acesss my site blog.brunopage.com.br | 14:50 |
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| lcuk | \o konttori_work | 14:55 |
| konttori_work | hi | 14:56 |
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| sivang | This is so pretty- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_FfR3Mcfo&feature=player_embedded#! | 15:41 |
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| * lcuk slowly dodges CosmoHill and prepares for the weekend | 17:31 | |
| CosmoHill | I got some of my results back :D | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah? | 17:33 |
| CosmoHill | 90% for parrellel computing and 70% for the data structures and algorithms assignment | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, was the 90% split over all participants? | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | or was that concurrent 90%? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | since its for parallel computing :P | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | I saw something about clustering software the other day | 17:35 |
| lcuk | cant recall where and when I searched I couldnt see it | 17:35 |
| lcuk | so meh \o/ | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 17:35 |
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| * lcuk still o_O at booting on the onetwo | 17:36 | |
| lcuk | its hte biggest computer I have seen handset on yet :) | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | swap it out to a full tower then it will be bigger | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol | 17:38 |
| lcuk | since its HD class device (1920*1080) and has tv tuner built in | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | its going to be useful down the line :) | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking that it would be cheaper for me to spend money on a PCI Freesat HD card and blu-ray drive than to actually buy a freesat box and blu-ray player | 17:39 |
| lcuk | the only issue there is you need the cpu/gfx grunt to decode? | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | any moden graphics card can offload the work | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | heh | 17:40 |
| lcuk | you assume modern graphics cards are built into things :P | 17:40 |
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| CosmoHill | actually I'm thinking PCI-E | 17:40 |
| lcuk | thats not built in ;) | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | oh, its more than just a tv tuner o_O | 17:41 |
| lcuk | its freeview one :D | 17:41 |
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| alterego | I see r.m.c is as slow as always | 17:41 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1597.html << that for the case would be sweet :D | 17:42 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, no case required at all for this | 17:43 |
| lcuk | it all fits inside the monitor frame | 17:43 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: my new computer consits of a Intel Q6600, that's it | 17:43 |
| CosmoHill | i don't have the rest of it | 17:43 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: not a bad start :P | 17:44 |
| alterego | My new computer consists of "". | 17:44 |
| alterego | Though, I' still happy with my c2d laptop and desktop tbh | 17:44 |
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| alterego | I keep considering a ram upgrade from 2 to 4 though | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | heya DawnFoster \o | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | my current desktop is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2GB of RAM | 17:46 |
| DawnFoster | hi lcuk | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 17:46 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, o_O Meego boots on my big multitouch allinone desktop! http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg | 17:46 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: thanks for all of the work on the glossary in the wiki this week, too | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | :D more than welcome, was good to have a run over stuff | 17:47 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: sweet | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | have fun all \o | 17:48 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: have a great weekend! | 17:49 |
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| alterego | lcuk: see you on the otherside | 17:51 |
| * alterego is likely in all weekend with this ghastly flu | 17:51 | |
| lcuk | heh nahh I am going to winsford later and hopefully getting very drunk | 17:51 |
| * alterego emails a snotty tissue to lcuk, feel my pain :P | 17:52 | |
| alterego | winsford, I hear that's a happening place :P | 17:52 |
| alterego | lcuk: would you be interested in a london/cambridge meego meetup sometime in spring? | 17:53 |
| lcuk | well vgrade has one organised | 17:53 |
| lcuk | but its 200 miles away | 17:53 |
| lcuk | was actually discussing with lardman last night | 17:53 |
| lcuk | and that london would be easier to get to | 17:53 |
| alterego | I'm going to also be doing a meego demo session in Berlin at somepoint | 17:53 |
| lcuk | (he actually said birmingham, but thats even less practical) | 17:53 |
| alterego | Oh cool, | 17:53 |
| alterego | Urgh, no thanks :P | 17:53 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with birmingham, but i get lost everytime I drive there | 17:54 |
| alterego | Indeed | 17:54 |
| lcuk | at least london we could all hit it in a train | 17:54 |
| lcuk | and get back | 17:54 |
| alterego | Yeah | 17:54 |
| lcuk | going to fosdem early feb though | 17:54 |
| alterego | Neat | 17:54 |
| lcuk | which is gonna be a blast hopefully | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | but I have to go \o byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee again | 17:54 |
| qgil | lbt X-Fade tekojo bergie ping | 17:55 |
| alterego | I'm meeting up with a load of geeks in Berlin sometime in march or april and plan on doing a meego demo | 17:55 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what creative things can come out of meego + http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/liveview + http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fliveview (protocol implementation talking to it) | 17:56 | |
| alterego | A few of them have N900s so I got my hands on some cheep microsd cards and I'll give out some meego handset images for them to play with, as well as a meego sdk vm and give them a run through on app development in qt creator, some qml demos and image creation tutorial | 17:56 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: oooh, flashy! | 17:57 |
| alterego | It's not a meego thing, but they are all *nix geeks and seem very interested. | 17:57 |
| javispedro | 62 pounds! | 17:59 |
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| * javispedro is interested in geeky watches | 18:00 | |
| lbt | pong qgil | 18:00 |
| javispedro | unfortunately, most of them have usually <1 day battery life... | 18:01 |
| qgil | lbt: did you have a chance to create the bug report and some wiki page? | 18:01 |
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| qgil | lbt: if not, I can help with the bug report :) | 18:01 |
| alterego | javispedro: I liked to look of those bluetooth watches someone got working with maemo, but really expensive .. | 18:02 |
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| lbt | not a bug ... but I did http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras | 18:02 |
| Kaadlajk | alterego: any link to those watches? | 18:02 |
| lbt | qgil: and I've got an entry in my TODO manager ;) | 18:02 |
| alterego | Kaadlajk: here's one: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150musicedition?cc=us&lc=en | 18:03 |
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| Kaadlajk | alterego: thanks | 18:04 |
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| qgil | lbt good enough, I'll create the bug report and we will be set for now - thanks! | 18:06 |
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| alterego | qgil: I was thinking if I'm unable to get a dev device I might look into getting an N8, at least then I can start targetting symbian with some of my apps and also have a working handset outside of my N900, and task that for meego dev more practically. | 18:08 |
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| qgil | alterego: regardless of anything, if you have a chance to get an N8 go get it, is a nice product and a clear reference to any Qt app developer | 18:09 |
| alterego | qgil: yeah, though I'm not sure I want to waste my upgrade option for an N8 with the possibility of the next tabletesque device out this year. | 18:10 |
| alterego | Paying full price for the N900, whilst worth it, was a bank stretching endeavour :D especially now being effectively unemployed. | 18:10 |
| alterego | But meh, ignore me, I've got a nasty flu thing and am feeling useless and rather depressed ^.^ | 18:12 |
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| qgil | alterego: Forum Nokia has N8s for good developers active in the right time and place | 18:14 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I've heard they've been "giving the n8 out like candy" :) | 18:15 |
| qgil | alterego: it's the lead device from Nokia to developers | 18:16 |
| qgil | but this is the meego channel, so back to topic | 18:16 |
| alterego | Shame it's not my primary target platform, | 18:16 |
| alterego | :) | 18:16 |
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| qgil | lbt: is the a wiki page for the community obs? | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder may apply | 18:25 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: ah, I wil add it to http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12471 | 18:29 |
| qgil | anybody willing to follow the progress of the community OBS, please follow & comment at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12471 | 18:30 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps or lbt do you know if the packages web interface plans are documented anywhere? see http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7072 | 18:34 |
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| alterego | Is there any documentation on using ofono? | 19:10 |
| alterego | Basically setting up a data connection | 19:10 |
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| lardman|home | Anyone know how "open" Samsung are? | 19:41 |
| lardman|home | and how community spirited? | 19:42 |
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| * lardman|home is wondering about an sgx driver for the Hummingbird sgx 540, using the structure of the Pandaboard driver as a guide | 19:43 | |
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| RST38h | Is Pandaboard driver open sourced? | 19:43 |
| lardman|home | yes | 19:44 |
| lardman|home | ph5 gave an url in #maemo-arm yesterday | 19:45 |
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| lardman|home | I'm envisioning being able to use the Pandaboard user-space opengl stuff if I can firstly write (or see if Samsung want to open source) the driver, and secondly use the same api and interface | 19:46 |
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| RST38h | lardman: What ? We have got an open-sourced Imagetech GLES driver??? | 19:47 |
| javispedro | kernel-only I guess | 19:47 |
| javispedro | one can always hope, though. | 19:48 |
| RST38h | just the intialization stuff you mean? | 19:48 |
| javispedro | just the kernel part | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | yeah kernel | 19:48 |
| javispedro | nothing about the libs, etc. | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | there are binaries | 19:48 |
| RST38h | heh | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: "Researchers at the University of Michigan describe how to hijack the iPhone's headset port to power peripherals, establish bi-directional communications with them, and interface various sensors, all without jailbreaking your iPhone or having to pay thousands to access to the Apple Dock Connector." | 19:48 |
| Myrtti | meanwhile: nobody is surprised | 19:49 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: sweet | 19:49 |
| * RST38h remembers of Charlie Chaplin trying to make soup from his shoe | 19:49 | |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: how old are you? :p | 19:49 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: Old enough to be grumpy. | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/omap-trunk/ubuntu/pool/main/p/ | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | so...14? | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | and to quote ph5, these are pandaboard pvr-omap4 ubuntu binaries in the tiomap-dev ppa | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: I said grumpy, not rebellious | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | Anyways, time to go to the airport. | 19:54 |
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| javispedro | cya RST38h | 19:55 |
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| RST38h | moo. | 19:55 |
| Myrtti | boo, I was making a SVG in preparation of starting to make my own kick ass audiobook player in QML, but inkscape crashed. | 19:57 |
| Myrtti | BOO. | 19:57 |
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| javispedro | clearly, rewrite inkscape in QML and make a kick ass ... svg editor. | 19:58 |
| Myrtti | :-( | 19:59 |
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| Myrtti | boo to you, javispedro | 20:01 |
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| javispedro | hey, look on the bright side, you could then make the kickass audiobook player using it :) | 20:01 |
| lardman|home | so anyone know how Android OpenGL implementations are structured? Do they wrap a standard Linux library? | 20:02 |
| lardman|home | standard as in normal | 20:02 |
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| thiago | lardman|home: probably not | 20:02 |
| thiago | they probably use drivers coming from the chipset vendor | 20:03 |
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| thiago | EGL with some kind of proprietary window management | 20:03 |
| thiago | who cares anyway? | 20:03 |
| thiago | why do you need this? | 20:03 |
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| lardman|home | I'm wondering about a Galaxy Tab as a Meego target | 20:03 |
| thiago | isn't that an OMAP3? | 20:04 |
| lardman|home | but there is no sgx 540 driver for the Hummingbird SOC afaict | 20:04 |
| thiago | ah | 20:04 |
| lardman|home | no, Cortex A8 like the OMAP3, but has the OMAP4 SGX | 20:04 |
| thiago | ask TI for the drivers | 20:04 |
| lardman|home | I made that mistake, forgetting that Coretex A8 != OMAP3 | 20:04 |
| lardman|home | it's not a Ti SOC | 20:04 |
| lardman|home | Samsung | 20:05 |
| thiago | ah | 20:05 |
| lardman|home | so yeah I plan to ask them, and was wondering how far into the "open source" mindset they had moved | 20:05 |
| * thiago then we depend on Samsung Semiconductor | 20:05 | |
| javispedro | lardman|home: they might work (?) | 20:05 |
| lardman|home | javispedro: OMAP ones? | 20:05 |
| javispedro | (I mean, TI's omap4 drivers) | 20:05 |
| lardman|home | Well the SOC is different | 20:06 |
| lardman|home | but yeah I was thinking it would only require modification rather than writing from scratch | 20:06 |
| javispedro | you are not going to rewrite those from scratch =) | 20:06 |
| lardman|home | I see Samsung want an NDA signed by a company member before you get any chipset docs though | 20:06 |
| lardman|home | javispedro: no of course not! | 20:07 |
| javispedro | no one rewrote them -- not even samsung | 20:07 |
| javispedro | they question would be if whatever they edited is on the publicish kernel side or on the closed libs | 20:07 |
| lardman|home | I'd guess the closed libs would be the same | 20:07 |
| javispedro | so far I've heard they are very picky | 20:08 |
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| lardman|home | the openish kernel side is where the power up and setting up the transfer mechanisms happens, so that's probably where the SOC differentiation goes on, I would guess | 20:08 |
| javispedro | failing to work even on just different same sgx model but different revision chips.. | 20:08 |
| lardman|home | oh great | 20:08 |
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| * thiago wouldn't put it past Imagination | 20:09 | |
| javispedro | but I do not have enough data to say if the libs are either just picky or maybe implement some kind of backwards compatibility (binaries of revision 1 work with revision 1 chips, but binaries of revision 2 work with 1 & 2) | 20:10 |
| lardman|home | is this for the OMAP3 or OMAP2 stuff? | 20:11 |
| lardman|home | or 4 even? | 20:11 |
| javispedro | well, I only considered sgx530 | 20:12 |
| lardman|home | OMAP3 work then | 20:12 |
| javispedro | (the one both the pre and n900 have) | 20:12 |
| javispedro | yes, 3430 | 20:12 |
| lardman|home | I'll have to email Samsung | 20:13 |
| javispedro | I have no devices from them but they do not seem very friendly to me | 20:14 |
| lardman|home | or just look for a tablet which uses OMAP of course ;) | 20:14 |
| javispedro | they're the authors of that aberration called RFS | 20:14 |
| lardman|home | no, that was my impression too | 20:14 |
| thiago | samsung semiconductor is actually friendly | 20:14 |
| lardman|home | they are part of Linaro though | 20:14 |
| thiago | say that you're looking into supporting meego | 20:15 |
| lardman|home | thiago: oh, well that sounds better at least, you have any contacts there? | 20:15 |
| thiago | my contacts have contacts | 20:15 |
| thiago | I haven't met anyone from there | 20:15 |
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| thiago | samsung semi showed up at the Qt Conference in Seoul | 20:16 |
| lardman|home | That's a good sign, though they may still suffer from the Ti issue whereby old hw is not of any open-sourcing interest | 20:17 |
| lardman|home | I'll write some emails and see what sort of response I get | 20:17 |
| thiago | I'd settle for a working driver :-) | 20:17 |
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| thiago | there's no guarantee that one exists for XGL though | 20:17 |
| lardman|home | sure :) | 20:17 |
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| thiago | looking at the Imagination libs for Harmattan, I see that they link to X libs | 20:19 |
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| lardman|home | well at least we know it has a PowerVR now ;) | 20:19 |
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| thiago | libIMGegl.so links to libXext and libXfixes | 20:19 |
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| thiago | Harmattan = sw | 20:20 |
| thiago | PowerVR = hw | 20:20 |
| lardman|home | Yeah, that's the same for the OMAP2 (and I guess N900) stuff too | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | you talking about the panda board? | 20:20 |
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| thiago | no one said Harmattan supports one single HW | 20:20 |
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| lardman|home | except that is does support PowerVR, but /me moves on :) | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 20:20 |
| lardman|home | s/is/it | 20:20 |
| thiago | yeah, it supports PowerVR, sure | 20:20 |
| thiago | the N900 has a PowerVR, remember? | 20:21 |
| thiago | :-) | 20:21 |
| GAN900 | thiago, what where you step when lardman's around. :P | 20:21 |
| GAN900 | He almost got open source cancelled at Nokia. *g* | 20:21 |
| thiago | but my point is that these libs link to X, so we'd need something similar from Samsung | 20:21 |
| thiago | they may not exist, or we might need to go straight to Imagination | 20:22 |
| javispedro | libIMGegl links to X? O.o | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | This means all I know from it is wrong =) | 20:22 |
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| lardman|home | Do we know what functionality is exposed to/from X? | 20:23 |
| thiago | no clue | 20:23 |
| lardman|home | just wondering if it's essential or not | 20:23 |
| javispedro | it definitely doesn't in fremantle | 20:23 |
| lardman|home | it did in the OMAP2 PowerVR SDKs | 20:23 |
| lardman|home | I remember wondering about the X11 stuff | 20:24 |
| thiago | I could nm and get the symbols it has undefined, but I'm sure there's an NDA somewhere including a non-reverse-engineering clause... | 20:24 |
| lardman|home | thiago: I live in the UK | 20:24 |
| lardman|home | making hw work and all that | 20:24 |
| thiago | right, but I don't and I work for Nokia | 20:24 |
| thiago | I won't reverse engineer the lib | 20:24 |
| lardman|home | this is of course true | 20:24 |
| lardman|home | but I can reverse engineer the OMAP2 one I have | 20:25 |
| thiago | you can do it when the device comes out :-) | 20:25 |
| lardman|home | but I'll need to dig it out | 20:25 |
| javispedro | lardman|home: are you sure? my mbx libIMGegl.so doesn't either | 20:25 |
| lardman|home | thiago: Assuming I'm not drawing my pension by then | 20:25 |
| thiago | heh | 20:25 |
| thiago | no comment... I'm just as frustrated | 20:25 |
| lardman|home | javispedro: yeah, there was definitely something in the SDK which was X11-related | 20:25 |
| javispedro | ah | 20:25 |
| lardman|home | thiago: glad it's not just us :) | 20:26 |
| javispedro | yes, sorry, misunderstood you. | 20:26 |
| * thiago puts the proto back in the drawer | 20:26 | |
| javispedro | the stuff linking with x11 would be the x11 wsegl(s) and the dri stuff (the later I don't understand yet) | 20:26 |
| thiago | hmm... nokia SIP servers aren't reachable | 20:27 |
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| * thiago should order some more protos while they are still protos | 20:33 | |
| thiago | once they go into production, I'll have to wait for the sales release | 20:33 |
| CosmoHill | Nokia C1? | 20:34 |
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| lardman|home | more hints, /me likes thiago :) | 20:35 |
| thiago | lardman|home: of course, I have no clue when that will happen | 20:35 |
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| thiago | it just occurred to me now that I should get some late-stage protos to use as my own phone later on :-) | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | as long as you don't leave it in a bar | 20:36 |
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| lardman|home | or if you do tell us which one :) | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | remember what happened to that dude with the iphone 4 prototype | 20:37 |
| alterego | Or just mail me one, I need a dev device before 1.2 O_O | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | i've just remembered | 20:37 |
| lardman|home | alterego: hey get in line, I'm having to use a bloody HTC Tattoo! | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | my friend has two brand new nokias that someone else bought on his card | 20:37 |
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| CosmoHill | the card canceled the payments but he still got the phones | 20:37 |
| alterego | lardman|home: I am in the line, and I'm infront of you :P | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | any idea's what to do with them? | 20:38 |
| lardman|home | alterego: drat! | 20:38 |
| alterego | But, haha, HTC tattoo? Isn't that that really tiny android device? | 20:38 |
| lardman|home | CosmoHill: the company in question will want them returned | 20:39 |
| lardman|home | alterego: yeah, my wife's cast off | 20:39 |
| alterego | Heh, | 20:39 |
| lardman|home | Hard answering a call on the N900 with no touchscreen input! | 20:39 |
| lardman|home | or indeed doing anything else for that matter | 20:39 |
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| CosmoHill | lardman|home: that's what i thought but there's be no contact | 20:42 |
| CosmoHill | and it's been months | 20:42 |
| lardman|home | CosmoHill: yeah strange, are the company very large? they might just write the loss down | 20:42 |
| lardman|home | as in write it off | 20:42 |
| CosmoHill | duno | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | the phones might even be blocked as they were sent through the post | 20:43 |
| lardman|home | IMEI blocked? Yeah possible, but that implies joined up thinking at the company that supplied them | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | i'll get my friend to contact the company again, if they don't reply within a few weeks we'll figure something out | 20:44 |
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| CosmoHill | personally I wouldn't want two unpaid expensive phones in my room | 20:44 |
| Raim | CosmoHill: if it has been months, the phones are not "brand new" anymore :P | 20:45 |
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| CosmoHill | still packaged up | 20:46 |
| Raim | yeah, I understand what you mean | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | Raim: btw i checked, I have Dos 6.0 and 6.2 on my MSDN-AA | 20:46 |
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| Raim | CosmoHill: wow | 20:46 |
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| CosmoHill | the worrying thing is my mum knows how to use that | 20:46 |
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| Raim | all I ever used that for were DOS based games | 20:50 |
| Raim | or maybe typing "win" | 20:50 |
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| CosmoHill | i've never used dos, i was to young | 20:55 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | What is "cold flash"? The flasher docs talk about it and the man page discusses it but even after extensive RTFM I can't find an explanation. | 21:42 |
| CosmoHill | booting from off? | 21:42 |
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| CosmoHill | warm flash could be when you reboot and flash | 21:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So "warm flash" means that I have to choose the meego image on N900 at boot-time, while "cold flash" means it's the default? | 21:43 |
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| * CosmoHill points to lcukn900 | 21:43 | |
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| * lcukn900 points back at cosmohill | 21:45 | |
| lcukn900 | rather wavery | 21:45 |
| * CosmoHill freezes whilst carrying a dead body | 21:45 | |
| lcukn900 | lol | 21:45 |
| CosmoHill | lcukn900: Alison_Chaiken can do with your help with "cold flashing" | 21:46 |
| * CosmoHill continues towards the garden waste shredder | 21:46 | |
| lcukn900 | the only cold stuff i need tonight is cold beer. but i have never done cold flashing anyway and never seen it needed? which device tho? | 21:46 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yes, lcukn900, I want to put meego on my N900 so it comes up at power-on. I take it that's a "cold flash" while "warm flash" means I get a boot-loader where I can elect meego? | 21:46 |
| lcukn900 | uboot instructions | 21:47 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I have actually read the docs BTW: web and man pages. | 21:47 |
| lardman|home | I've emailed Samsung's Open source arm, will let you know what I get back | 21:47 |
| lcukn900 | i cant find link because 2g is fail | 21:47 |
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| * lardman|home heads back to do the washing up | 21:47 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcukn900, you are suggesting I read the uboot docs? (I is engineer, you must explain to me explicitly!) | 21:48 |
| mwichmann | anything one can do about the horrid touchpad on the s10-3t, which just jumps all over the place? any way to tune down the settings? | 21:48 |
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| lcukn900 | alison its the uboot stuff that boots meego from mmc when its in or maemo when its not. however the instructions are complex from what i saw and need streamlining | 21:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Very good lcukn900, I will search the uboot instructions. I have messed with uboot before (although more with redboot as it happens). | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: cold flash means re-write bootloader and all, often through a serial line, when boot loader fails to respond to normal flasher protocol | 21:50 |
| lcukn900 | "n900 uboot meego" does seem to come up with the pages i recall | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot - you'll want to keep m5 alongside, so use this | 21:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Ah, I see Stskeeps, the "cold flash" is a rescue procedure that isn't normally needed. | 21:51 |
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| lcukn900 | ta sts | 21:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks Stskeeps, I'm on it. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: for future scenarios, cold flash is useful once you've bricked your device beyond repair and you can do it over serial or usb :) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | (i've never had to, and i've done really mean things to my n900) | 21:52 |
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| lcukn900 | cold flash is something no user really ever needs to do | 21:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, I'm glad to know that we brickers have options beyond despair. I'd like to talk to you about my OLPC ;-( | 21:52 |
| * lcukn900 opens another beer | 21:52 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | I was looking at http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 rather than wiki and reading command-line stuff. | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | we have two methods, meego.com page is fairly foolproof and allows you to get back to maemo all the time | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | dual boot is what we use as developers as it's just easier :P | 21:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | In general, the various versions of things on the wiki and meego.com can be confusing but I guess some folks are already trying to sort that out. | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 21:54 |
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| lcukn900 | stskeeps did you see testrunner has some more advanced installation stuff (read risky maemo removing..) | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/ubuntu-11-04-to-ship-with-2d-unity-session/ <- interesting for meego? | 21:57 |
| lcukn900 | anything 2d is ok in my book | 21:58 |
| javispedro | huh | 21:59 |
| javispedro | what a weird mix of stuff is ubuntu going to have | 21:59 |
| lcukn900 | meego on my hd allinone tv machine is interesting | 22:00 |
| javispedro | they will have 3d unity (mutter), 2d unity (qml), and "classic shell" (gnome2) | 22:01 |
| lcukn900 | 1d unity too | 22:01 |
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| CosmoHill | ~version | 22:05 |
| infobot | i heard version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGoBot: version | 22:06 |
| MeeGoBot | CosmoHill: Sorry, I've no idea what 'version' might be. | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGoBot: you suck | 22:06 |
| MeeGoBot | CosmoHill: no, *you* suck! | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 22:06 |
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| thiago_home | infobot: forget version | 22:13 |
| infobot | thiago_home: i forgot version | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, bot's shared. | 22:13 |
| thiago_home | GAN900: well, info is irrelevant here | 22:14 |
| thiago_home | if the bot is shared, then put info relevant to everyone | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, yes, but you've deleted it for all of the dozens of other channels it's on. | 22:14 |
| thiago_home | infobot: version is for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command. | 22:15 |
| infobot | thiago_home: okay | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | re unity 2d i was more talking about it being qml, maybe a nice basis for netbook 2011 ;) | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | unity? | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | the canonical stuff? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/ubuntu-11-04-to-ship-with-2d-unity-session/ | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | QML-based, it seems | 23:02 |
| * thiago_home reads the blog | 23:02 | |
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| Stskeeps | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/trunk/files | 23:03 |
| Myrtti | omgubuntu isn't one of the newssources I'd really trust though | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | the source speaks for itself, though | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | how? | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | the source link is a 404 | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | the bazaar one i just posted :P | 23:04 |
| Myrtti | thiago_home: QED omgubuntu | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | strange, blog article removed | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | http://bfiller.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/unity-2d/ | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | probably another omg-i-made-android-apps-work-under-ubuntu-but-no-i-wont-release-source-probably-cos-canonical-can-make-money-on-it | 23:05 |
| * thiago_home will wait for something more authoritative than omgubuntu | 23:05 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:05 |
| Myrtti | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTAxMg | 23:05 |
| Myrtti | how about phoronix | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | not trustworthy either | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | it's good to find out about news, not to be informed | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | that wasn't there this morning | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | https://launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team , http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/trunk/files links things together though :P | 23:06 |
| Myrtti | it's a bit better than omgubuntu which I give the credibility of News of the World | 23:06 |
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| thiago_home | but sounds like I should ping my canonical contacts | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | initial import in august, so pretty fast dev | 23:13 |
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| thiago_home | dev with qml? | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:15 |
| thiago_home | hopefully there will be more of those | 23:15 |
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| lbt | uusirant: here's fine | 23:43 |
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| lbt | uusirant: sure... did you mean the community OBS for opensource meego applications? | 23:44 |
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| uusirant | well, I'm basically going to setup private OBS for building some custom Meego-based packages but I guess I need an account in the OBS to be able to easily replicate the configuration right? | 23:45 |
| lbt | so you probably want the core OBS, not the community one | 23:45 |
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| Stskeeps | uusirant: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS - prjconf's are on gitorious | 23:46 |
| uusirant | ok, great | 23:46 |
| uusirant | that looks like exactly what I need | 23:47 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I built my first meego programs with OBS | 23:53 |
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| lbt | :) fiferboy | 23:53 |
| * lbt goes to see | 23:54 | |
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| fiferboy | lbt: It was very, very easy compared to my first attempts with b.o.o | 23:54 |
| fiferboy | Probably a couple years ago that I first tried on the opensuse servers | 23:54 |
| lbt | good - any idea why? | 23:54 |
| lbt | just OBS improvements? | 23:54 |
| fiferboy | lbt: It seems like there is less that the user has to set up | 23:55 |
| lbt | yeah, on linux it's a doddlw | 23:56 |
| lbt | e | 23:56 |
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| fiferboy | I did it all through the web interface | 23:56 |
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