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diceboxhello00:11
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diceboxanyone could edit meego wiki arm/n900/install/nfs page, to make clear it's a document made for meego 1.0 , and that it doesn't work for later versions ?00:12
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diceboxi just tried with 1.0 release, and it worked perfectly00:12
diceboxunlike with meego 1.1 and daily build of last two days00:13
Texratsure, anyone can edit the wiki00:14
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diceboxi got other things to do than to manage an account00:15
alteregoSeems I really killed the conversation.00:15
GAN900As usual.00:16
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Texratah well00:16
Texratdon't we all have other things to do?00:17
alteregoNot really, I'm a bit ill at the moment.00:18
Texratconversation killer00:18
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alterego:)00:20
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Texratactually gan900 is the real conversation killer.  he's a master at bombs to which there can be no response00:21
kyb3R:)00:23
alteregoHeh00:23
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GAN900Texrat, indeed.00:39
GAN900So, when did you stop beating your wife?00:39
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alteregoHah00:40
RST38hShould I start quoting SCPs again? =)00:41
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Texratlol gan90000:45
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sivang2anybody know how to copy and paste from chromium to a terminal window in meego on the ideapad?00:52
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Alison_Chaikensivang2, have you tried a long-press?00:58
sivang2Alison_Chaiken: how do you mean?00:59
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sivang_ideapadAlison_Chaiken: also, do you happen to have handy the right click how to enable ?01:00
sivang_ideapadAlison_Chaiken: I'm trying to find a bug report about that for the netbook, but there are bug reports there that assume right click is alreayd working01:00
sivang_ideapadsivang_ideapad: any clue ? :)01:00
Alison_ChaikenSorry, sivang_ideapad, I don't know.01:00
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vgradeTexrat, are you seeing Jay from TI? If so could you ask him if he has any news on the Panda's for MeeGo, thanks01:22
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CosmoHillcyas02:47
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terrylaundosHello Guys…. Guys, I'm wanting to work on a Meego's possible to port a chinese mobile MT6235. Any tips?03:10
terrylaundosARM926EJ-S03:11
wmaronemight be a bit underpowered for MeeGo03:13
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vgradehttp://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2011/EmdebianSprint03:50
vgradeinteresting meeting03:51
vgradeand also interesting ARM are sponsoring and hosting03:51
vgradebit of a trunaround from the line I had from them when trying to get them to host a MeeGo network meeting03:52
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berndhsvgrade: aha! they're against us04:17
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MultiamediaI have a dell duo flip screen and would like to use meego but I also want to use the touch screen any suggestions on which distro to use? Thanks05:46
Multiamediaany one home ?05:48
Multiamediahello05:50
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qgil_X-Fade: ping08:20
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Alison_ChaikenEmbedded Linux Conf proposals due 2/8: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp08:42
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qgil_X-Fade: last ping today  :)09:59
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thpStskeeps: where are the instructions for posting a source code request bug report in maemo? would like to see maemo-applet-tvout open sourced, so we can improve it for the community ssu12:39
Stskeepssearch for licensing change reques12:39
Stskeepsts12:39
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Stskeepsisn't it fairly easy to re-impl though12:39
Stskeeps?12:39
thpStskeeps: yes, but just changing existing, working and proven source is simpler and less error-prone12:40
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thpStskeeps: and because it's so simple, I don't really see the need for it to be closed ;)12:40
Stskeepsmm12:41
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halvors1Some phones with Meego Handset out?12:45
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thpStskeeps: filed: https://bugs.maemo.org/11772 :)12:49
povbotBug 11772: Please put maemo-applet-tvout under an open source license12:49
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11772 nor, Medium, ---, marko.helenius, NEW, IMG package is missing dependencies python-elementtree & python-xml12:49
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sonydeepahi13:49
sonydeepahow do I setup MeeGo emulator on my laptop13:49
sonydeepa?13:49
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raghumOn Ubuntu 10.04, I try the following as a step for MIC2 ..14:17
raghumgpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 0BC7BEC479FC1F8A14:17
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raghumgpg: directory `/home/raghuveer/.gnupg' created14:18
raghumgpg: new configuration file `/home/raghuveer/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created14:18
raghumgpg: WARNING: options in `/home/raghuveer/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run14:18
raghumgpg: keyring `/home/raghuveer/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created14:18
raghumgpg: keyring `/home/raghuveer/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created14:18
raghumgpg: requesting key 79FC1F8A from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net14:18
raghumgpgkeys: key 0BC7BEC479FC1F8A not found on keyserver14:18
raghumgpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.14:18
raghumgpg: Total number processed: 014:18
raghumIn the WARNING it says some options need to be enabled. What options ? Any help ?14:19
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Myrttifor future, please use pastebin for pastes bigger than two lines...14:19
mwichmannupdating a 1.1 install... it's pulling deltarpms first, failing when applying, then pulling the full pkg14:20
mwichmannfor pretty much every pkg14:20
mwichmannis this "expected behavior"?14:20
raghumMyrtti, will take care of that in future.14:21
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dm8tbrwho else is going to fosdem? :)14:26
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dnearyandre__, in case you're wondering, that comment was meant to be a joke15:00
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* lardman is back early, cambelt change too not much time15:04
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CosmoHilllcuk: .o/15:10
amjadping lbt15:11
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Jaffaamjad: He was going on holiday a couple of weeks ago - dunno if he's back yet15:11
amjadthanks Jaffa., needed access to community obs ,is there any one here who can give me access to community obs ??15:12
X-Fadeamjad: I can.15:13
X-Fadeamjad: It seems you already have access :)15:13
amjadi do when cobs was on build.obs,maemo.org . but the password that i have does not work with build.pub.meego.com15:14
X-Fadeamjad: use your meego.com account.15:14
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X-Fadeamjad: It uses the same accounts as meego.com.15:15
CosmoHillamjad: all *.pub*.m.c uses the same account15:15
amjadok15:15
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amjadX-Fade still can not log into build.pub.m.c?? i can get access to meego.com using same username and password but not to build.pub.m.com15:28
X-Fadeamjad: are you using the webui or osc?15:30
amjadwebui15:30
X-Fadeamjad: ok, should work. Will check what is going on.15:31
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lbtah... thanks X-Fade15:33
lbthi Jaffa ... I am back today15:33
lbt(well, monday really but in Hel)15:33
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X-Fadeamjad: You didn't change your password recently, did you?15:37
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amjadi did for meego.com15:38
amjadis that the issue??15:38
X-Fadeamjad: How long ago was that?15:38
amjadwell not long ago 40 mins ago15:38
X-Fadeamjad: Ok, then that is the issue.15:38
X-FadeWe sync once per hour.15:39
amjadoh ok15:39
lbtyup15:39
amjadwill try in after some time, thanks for the help15:39
lbtjust about to check that :)15:39
X-FadeShould be ok around :59 ;)15:39
amjad:)15:39
lbtamjad: if you know your old passwd you should be able to use that for a bit15:39
amjadok15:40
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steventaoHi all, I have some problem to use meego-compliance-tools.15:42
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steventaoCould someone provide me some command example about it?15:43
jarkko^what is the official page to get qemu/kvm images of handset/netbook meego with web browser these days?15:44
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jarkko^this page http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux_%28Original%29 has been deleted and this page http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Emulator_QEMU is marked for deletion..15:45
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Stskeepsthey're moving them under SDK/15:46
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jarkko^do you mean under sdk directory under repo.meego.com?15:47
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comawhiteis there a way to get meego on a ati laptop?16:14
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lardmanintel?16:15
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comawhiteintel c2d T6400 or is it T650016:15
lardmanit's supposed to support Intel Atom, I don't know how specific that requirement is, you also might have issues with gpu drivers I guess16:16
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lardmanthere was a list of netbooks/etc. that it had been installed on in the wiki iirc, but I can't find it16:17
comawhiteI don't really need 3d support tbh, just as long as I can use it i'll be happy16:17
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lardmanNo idea, but good luck :)16:18
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thebootroohello16:53
thebootroowhere16:53
thebootroois the dev of libconnman-qt ?16:53
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lcukhey guys17:11
lcukthebootroo, dunno, who is the dev of libconnman-qt?  do you have a maintainer name/email to give hints17:12
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thebootroohe is tripzero17:12
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Kevin_Bthebootroo tripzero s mail is kevron_m_rees@linux.intel.com17:15
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thebootroohi KK you here ;-)  !!17:15
Kevin_BYo Mr Thebootroo, you can see comiter's adress in gitorious.org 's profile you know17:17
Kevin_B;)17:17
thebootrooooops17:17
thebootrooyou are right17:17
thebootrootj17:17
thebootroothx17:17
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qgilX-Fade: ping17:58
qgillbt: ping17:58
lbtpong qgil17:58
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qgilhi! I was wondering if there is anything documented about Community OBS, extras/surrounds17:58
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qgillbt: something that anybody could track from http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update17:59
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lbtno but I will be writing something17:59
qgillbt also if you have considered creating bug(s) for tracking the progress17:59
lbtI wanted to do it over the break but didn't17:59
qgilgreat, thank you lbt17:59
qgilit's kind of weird that I get the blame for the corporate parts that are not too transparent...18:00
qgil... and also the blame for the parts of the project that are so community transparent that don't have any documentation either18:00
qgilending in the same result: being difficult to know what is really going on18:00
lbt*nod*18:00
lbtI/we really do need to get the balance adjusted a touch18:01
qgilI'm chasing X-Fade tekojo and bergie for the same reasons for packages, catalog and planet - not very successfully I must say18:01
sivangmwichmann: hey18:01
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mwichmannhello18:02
* lbt goes to look when the next CO meeting is18:02
qgillbt: specially if you want to get feedback and contributors, as you appeared to want in some mails few weeks back lbt  :)18:02
lbtyeah ... I was clearly needing a holiday :)18:02
sivangmwichmann: when was it that you said we could do some brainstorming/ work on the compliance spec? February ?18:02
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mwichmannI don't know we set a precise time... but in a couple of weeks would work18:03
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mwichmannor earlier, I guess18:03
qgilso the ideal setup is simple: a wiki page documenting what do you want to achieve with a piece of software + a connected bug report for anybody to follow the status and provide feedback lbt18:03
lbthttp://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#The_Task_Force_Approach_aka_You_Are_Not_Alone18:04
lbt?18:04
sivangmwichmann: we didn't :) I was just trying to remind myself.18:04
qgillbt: ah, indeed  :)18:04
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lbtqgil: it's all coming back into focus..... :)18:05
qgillbt: please ping X-Fade bergie and tekojo if you happen to "see" them. All of them/you have a couple of mails from me (but no response) and every time I log in I try to find you/them - appreciated18:06
Myrtti"it's all coming back to me, it was the one armed man!"18:06
lbtqgil: OK, will do18:06
sivangqgil: hey :)18:06
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sivangqgil: why is the qt cross platfrom is in inactive?18:07
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qgilhi sivang ???18:07
sivangqgil: at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#The_Task_Force_Approach_aka_You_Are_Not_Alone18:07
sivangqgil: heh, what's up?18:07
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sivangqgil: well, down beneath18:07
lbtsivang: it doesn't have a task force page...18:07
lbtso it's dead ... ?18:08
sivanglbt: oh, so it has to have a task force to not be dead?18:08
qgilwait18:08
sivang:)18:08
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qgilsivang: what about inactive in the sense that there is no coordinator that has committed to specific tasks to a specific timeline? or...18:09
lcuksivang, its waiting for someone to come along and nurture it.  since you mentioned it..18:09
qgilsivang: inactive in the sense that the task has unclear goals / tasks and lack of regular report?18:10
sivangqgil: ah, okay , that can be fixed. I will send a status report.18:10
qgilsivang: a lot of the tasks under "inactive" had someone proposing it, being active for a while and then disappearing or idling or moving to other things18:10
qgilsivang: this is why I don't see as a bad thing being conservative from CO point of view and listing them under inactive18:11
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qgilsivang: the worst thing that can happen is that more people jump in, or the "old" coordinator shows up again18:11
sivangqgil: sure, I'll send a status updated along with a request for contribution. The timeline thing is not simple in tis specific one18:12
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sivangqgil: e.g. it might need to follow developments with qt quick components and support on symbian18:12
sivangqgil: which is not something we can predict so far18:12
qgilsivang: please consider opening a bug to be used as status report of that task18:12
qgilsivang: this will help you opening new dependent bugs to track and discuss specific tasks, etc18:13
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sivangqgil: sure18:13
qgilsivang: than ks18:13
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sivanglcuk: I've been doing this since october 2010, btw18:17
sivangqgil: so bug reportfor the taks, borken into smaller bugs that are dependant, regular report and clear goals is what needed to make it active?18:17
lcukso certainly not inactive and a mixup on the website then only :)18:17
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sivanglcuk: If only I could get the second chunk of slides from Munich, there's a great talk there by someone from futurice with some simple yet very effective guidelines to do cross Maemo/Symbian development without tearing hairs18:19
qgilsivang: no need to create more process than what is useful for you: an updated wiki page and a related status bug report suffice - then any new wiki page or bug only when useful to track goals or problems18:19
qgilsivang: why don't you look at the program and ask him directly?18:19
sivangqgil: did tat , a *couple* of times already18:19
qgilsivang: ah well18:19
sivangnoresponse s fa18:19
sivangI think they can't publich the talks until Nokia does or somesuch18:20
qgilsivang: even saying that this is for a meego.com thing etc etc?18:20
sivangqgil: yep, I'm not new here :)18:20
qgilsivang: well, happens to everybody  :)18:20
sivangqgil: maybe you can write him as well? maybe some personal circumstnaces18:20
sivangdunno18:20
sivangqgil: so someone in #qt says new vidoes are online (I checkled every few days)18:21
sivangqgil: Iwill take a look and if I find it, we wi18:21
sivangwin :)18:21
qgilsivang: ask Ville - for the videos Alexandra Leisse might be a good contact too18:21
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sivangqgil: will do18:25
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sivangbe back later18:43
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stianhj_Whatever happend to Silverlight on the MeeGo? I remember seeing a lot of blog posts about it..18:46
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dnearyDawnFoster, Ping?19:01
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mixpeghi all21:01
mixpegI have a problem with the connection pppoe21:01
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mixpeghow to make a pppoe connection?21:02
mixpeghow to make a pppoe connection for asus eee pc 1015PED???21:03
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alteregoqgil: ping :)21:24
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qgilalterego: pong, and yes  :)21:24
alterego:)21:24
alteregoCool, sorry about the communication synchronisation yesterday. I'm a bit ill at the moment so my internet activity is somewhat erratic.21:25
Alison_ChaikenDawnFoster and qgil, are you planning to participate in the Embedded Linux Conference in April in SF?   The CFP closes on 2/8.    ELC is a venue where we should have some of (presentation, booth, informal BOF).  I was just on the phone with Ibrahim from LF urging him to offer his course, but he says he is just too busy.21:25
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: I think that's hosted with the collab summit?21:26
DawnFosterwe'll have a meego day at the collab summit21:26
DawnFostersimilar to last year21:26
alteregoqgil: so should I expect a package soon? ;)21:27
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qgilalterego: at least an answer to your email  :)21:27
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alteregoHah, m'kay.21:27
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: we should make sure that we get some talks submitted to ELC for MeeGo21:27
Alison_ChaikenDawnFoster, you are correct, LCS is 4/6-4/8 in same hotel as ELC, which is 4/11-4/13.   I haven't attended either but suspect we will miss industry folks (smaller OEMs) if we only present at LCS.21:28
qgilAlison_Chaiken DawnFoster aren't the ELC and the Collaboration Summit the same thing now? Anyway, let's not forget http://meego.com/community/events/2011/linux-collaboration-summit21:28
Alison_ChaikenDawnFoster, I agree.    Since I am responsible for pitching OEMs, I want to have a strong show at ELC, which is after all local for me.21:28
qgilah, you type faster than me21:28
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mwichmannELC merged into LF, so events are end-to-end (as they've been before)21:29
mwichmannbut not identical21:29
DawnFosteractually, looks like they are a weekend apart21:29
DawnFosterso maybe less overlap in attendees than I thought21:30
perolsenwhat can the Nokia tool FLS-5 do?21:30
Alison_Chaikenqgil, LCS is invite-only.    I'm sure all LF members are invited, but maybe not smaller companies we want to reach.   If we had a training class and hospitality suite and suchlike, we might be able to lure non-LF-members up to SF from Asian companies that have local reps.21:30
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: might be good for you to post something to the meego-community mailing list21:30
Stskeepsperolsen: am curious how that is related to meego :)21:30
Alison_ChaikenI wish we would proactively invite people in the Bay Area who are not now considering MeeGo.21:31
DawnFosterto make sure people don't miss the deadline and starting thinking about ELC21:31
perolsenStskeeps: Excellent question, I'll ask in another channel21:31
Alison_ChaikenDawnFoster and qgil and assembled masses, does anyone know of MeeGo activity at ELC that is already in planning stage?  As always, I don't want to ignorantly duplicate efforts of others.   I will certainly ask on community mailing list.21:32
qgilAlison_Chaiken: you are the ELC activity I know about21:32
Alison_ChaikenOf course we can invite folks up to MeeGoCon in May, but ELC will hit a different audience.21:33
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: we should check with the LF people running the CFP to see if they are already getting many meego submission21:33
Alison_ChaikenGood idea, DawnFoster.    I will do that first.21:33
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: if they aren't seeing many, then we know we have a lot of work to do :)21:33
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Alison_ChaikenVery good.  I have my assignment now!21:34
DawnFosterAlways happy to "help" :)21:34
Alison_ChaikenBTW, DawnFoster, we had a very positive meeting with Intel folks at Nokia yesterday, and I met Amar Kona, a new outreach MeeGon who sits in Santa Clara.   He's coming up to Hillsboro soon and I suggested he get in your way straight off the bat.21:35
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: cool, thanks!21:35
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mixpeghow to make a pppoe connection for asus eee pc 1015PED???21:43
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lardmanhmm, that tablet ui demo looks nice: http://evolvethree.com.au/products/meego-slate.html22:04
RST38hlardman: looks nice, if it works of course22:08
lardmanwell yes :)22:09
lardmanI've no idea what the tablet ui looks like22:09
lardmani.e. whether it even looks like this22:09
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julienfbeen a while, Happy New Year ALL!!22:28
Stskeepshappy new year julienf22:30
lcukMerry Christmas too julienf !22:30
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GeneralAntillesΩ22:35
DawnFosterwelcome back julienf!22:38
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* mwichmann wonders why we think chromium is a "better user experience"22:54
mwichmannwhat an utter piece of garbage22:54
mwichmann</rant>22:54
lcukplease be constructive so that we actually can improve things22:57
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lcukyo javispedro22:57
Stskeepsmwichmann: tried fennec-qt? :P22:57
javispedromorning22:57
mwichmannI'm going to try everything else, yes :)22:58
lcuki adore the Windows meme that started22:58
lcukwindows comes installed with that blue icon called "Microsoft Firefox downloader" :D22:58
javispedrobut Microsoft is evil as usual and they bother you with popups about their Microsoft Firefox downloader!22:59
javispedroright after starting Windows!22:59
javispedroand they even say the european union made them do so!22:59
javispedrohow dare!!22:59
javispedro</ ;) >23:00
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mwichmannwell, if we want to rant, there's that "tablet tax if you're not running windows" in France, but I don't want to take up space with too much ranting23:03
mwichmannjust wonder about an os decision that doesn't seem... appealing, in the browser23:03
lcukspecifically which browser does work well in the different form factors23:04
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lcukand Stskeeps you seem to use ":P" too often, were you recommending fennec?23:04
Stskeepsmwichmann: i can probably support webkit but chromium, hmm..23:04
Stskeeps:P23:04
Stskeepslcuk: no, i hate fennec after getting it working on ARM for 1.123:05
Stskeepstrauma still sits in me23:05
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lcukok, why not microb?23:05
javispedrohaha23:05
Stskeepslcuk: ui is closed source23:05
lcukforgetting of course the closed front end, if we could get a binary23:05
javispedro(haha was to fennec's trauma :) )23:05
lcukdoes it actually *work* on the form factor?23:06
opengeek_I see a lot of maemo people here :)23:06
lcuk(i am thinking not just handset, but also potentially inside netbook size devices23:06
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lcukhi opengeek_ \o23:06
javispedrohey opengeek_23:07
lcukStskeeps, what is the actual backend of microb, is it original firefox? (I suppose someone like timeless would be better answering this)23:07
opengeek_I want to ask something about the netbook version23:07
lcukask away23:07
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opengeek_hola javispedro23:08
lcukwe might not be able to answer of course :P23:08
javispedroahh23:08
javispedrook, just remembered who you are opengeek_ =)23:08
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opengeek_:)23:08
javispedroso, feel free to shoot the question (or pm me if you want)23:09
opengeek_I  think I've found a bug on meego netbook installer but I want to ask before23:09
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opengeek_it says I cannot install meego on disks with less than 3000 MB23:10
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opengeek_but my disk has 381623:10
opengeek_MB23:10
opengeek_I have to report this somewere?23:11
javispedroit might add a swap partition into the calculation (but tbh I have no idea)23:11
lcukthat sounds like a reasonable hypothosis javispedro23:12
lcukopengeek_, it may be worth filing a bug, but it could simply be what javispedro says23:12
lcukbtw, which disk are you using with 3816mb?23:12
javispedrooh23:12
javispedrobug #1091723:12
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size.23:12
mwichmannhow does one turn off the automatic refreshing of repos by packagekitd?23:12
opengeek_is a eeepc 4g23:13
mwichmannbecause of my network situation, I need that to happen /only/ on demand23:13
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opengeek_were you discussing about browsers on meego handset?23:16
javispedroprobably netbook -- because of the weird chromium decision =)23:17
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mwichmannin my case, yes, whinging about netbook23:18
opengeek_what about firefox4 they say is much better than 3.623:19
opengeek_(in resource usage terms)23:19
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opengeek_and about chromium, is fast and pass acid3 100% it's not bad at all23:20
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berndhschromium is too bossy, tells you where you should have gone if it didn't find the site23:25
opengeek_mm true23:27
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opengeek_then firefox/iceweasel, midori, rekonq, konqueror or epiphany23:29
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lcukooops, I made a typo on latest tweet23:53
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lcukTexrat, who said I was joking :)23:54
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