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ali1234ideapad platform driver? http://git.iksaif.net/?p=acpi4asus.git;a=commit;h=1cee026eb0e9333c14a40bb5e683a721bf520b9a01:33
javispedrothat's for the soft rfkill stuff01:33
javispedrothat one is in 2.6.36+01:34
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ali1234ah ok, not for the embedded controller then?01:35
javispedronope01:35
javispedrobtw01:36
javispedroare our lenovos "different"?01:37
javispedroeven the manual and some online sites state they use ddr201:37
javispedroyet at least mine is a n455 and uses ddr301:37
lcuksabotage, :) thanks for the talk last night, I followed up somewhat and got the handset applications themselves on the handset ux (the log of actions is below the conversation) http://liqbase.net/meego_changing_desktops_addendum_20110105.txt01:38
javispedroI've also noted different behaviours for hotkeys between mine and someone's retail lenovo.01:38
lcukstill needs tweaking somewhat, but your hints about zypper patterns was useful :)01:38
lcukjavispedro, i heard network cards differed01:39
lcukso potentially it might have been more than that01:39
javispedroyeah, but it's weird they'd stick a ddr3 mobo =)01:40
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hiptobecubicMeega01:42
hiptobecubicMeego's not ready for the girlfriend test yet, is it?01:43
CosmoHilldepends on the girlfriend01:43
lcukit depends, does your girlfriend support SSSE3 instructions and have OpenGLES2 acceleration?01:43
hiptobecubicShe does01:43
javispedrohow many cores?01:44
hiptobecubicshe has one01:44
javispedrooutdated -- discard.01:44
hiptobecubicWell i can't afford a new one01:44
hiptobecubicSo i'll have to make due01:44
lcukdoes she have a microsd slot?01:44
hiptobecubicshe does01:45
lcukto install meego on your partner: get a sharpie, write "meego" on forehead and go dabble.01:46
hiptobecubicRealistically though, If i stick it on her netbook, and tell her "here try this" is she going to be upset that it crashes when she watches youtube? Or is it reliable?01:47
lcukif its a netbook, the usb key includes liveboot thing to boot from usb without installing01:48
lcukyou can test/confirm all you need01:48
lcukand then if it ticks all the right boxes you can install it :)01:48
hiptobecubichmmm01:49
pexihttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/ces-microsoft-shows-off-windows-8-on-arm/833901:49
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ali1234it's not all that bad on netbook01:50
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lcukali1234, some frustrations, especially bug 1054401:52
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, NEW, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications01:52
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lcukit makes my eyes bleed01:53
ali1234who even uses alt-tab?01:55
ali1234i haven't used it since about 199801:55
hiptobecubicI use it constantly01:55
lcukali1234, i use it when coding01:55
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ali1234i can't even understand that bug report :(01:56
lcuki have editor and terminal and browser and folder window01:56
lcukand switch between them01:56
lcuktheres 2 window lists01:56
lcuk1 being the order the windows were opened01:56
lcukwhich remains constant01:56
lcukand the other is alt tab01:56
lcukwhen you alt tab, the window manager pans back and "slides" to the window you want01:57
lcukusing the opened order visuals01:57
ali1234oh yeah i remember that01:57
ali1234it's a completely pointless effect that just makes switching windows take longer than necessary and as an added bonus, sells more GPUs01:58
lcukthe more windows you have open, the more unsettling it is01:58
ali1234just shut your eyes while the effect is on screen :)01:59
lcukhow long will it be on screen?01:59
lcukif theres 2 windows it will be ok01:59
ali1234i dunno, too long imo01:59
lcukbut god forbid you alt tab to the "wrong" console and have it slide forever02:00
lcukit fscks with head anyway02:00
ali1234turn it off02:00
ali1234if there isn;t a way to turn it off, report a bug for that02:00
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lcuki dont mind it, i just think the order of windows on the list should reflect stuff02:00
lcukits only rectangles and should be a trivial thing to fix for someone who knows which line02:01
ali1234the order on alt-tab is traditionally arranged to show the most recent windows first02:01
ali1234the order of the sliding presumably uses the spatial position of the windows on the virtual screens02:01
hiptobecubicThe sliding thing is pretty terrible, yes.02:01
ali1234i guess this is the core of your problem?02:01
lcukyes02:01
ali1234i can't see a way to fix the sliding effect, and changing alt-tab will just annoy people even more... so i can't see a good way to fix this02:02
ali1234doesn't really seem like that much of a problem though02:03
ali1234assuming the slide takes constant time02:03
lcukali1234, alt_tab.clicked() {   WindowManager.Rearrange_Contents();02:03
ali1234ie it goes faster if the windows are further apart, like the compiz virtual dekstop switcher does if you jump between two far apart desktops02:03
ali1234oh, you want the window manager to move around all windows when you alt tab?02:03
ali1234won't that get confusing when the windows are constantly moving around?02:03
lcukno moving needed until you select which window you want to go to02:04
lcukthen just put the windows into the same order as they were in alt tab02:04
ali1234then after the slide effect, put them back?02:04
lcukyou dont see the windows overall position02:04
lcukuntil you do alt tab02:04
lcukso they wont "move around"02:04
ali1234you do if you have more than one on a screen...02:04
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lcukand how do you have more onscreen at once on netbook?02:04
lcuki have not seen any app share screenspace in netbook02:05
ali1234there is a way to do it02:05
ali1234i can't remember how02:05
lcukbut its not the norm02:05
ali1234but it is definitely possible02:05
lcukanyways, i need coffee, \o02:06
ali1234really though the whole "q app per desktop" is the reason my ideapad has ubuntu installed on it02:06
ali1234i just can't get on with it02:06
* lcuk does not mind that02:07
ali1234i don't like alt-tab at all, it is slower than just clicking the taskbar02:07
ali1234i don't like editors that heavily use keyboard shortcuts either02:08
lcukonly if you dont have to pickup mouse02:08
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ali1234i don't care how fast you are with vim, selecting a block of text is still faster with the mouse02:08
lcukbut i am a touch guy02:08
lcukali1234, selecting a block of text directly with the screen should be even faster :P02:08
lcukbut its time and motion studies02:08
lcukif you hand is on the keyboard02:08
hiptobecubicali1234, vim lets you select with the mouse as well :)02:08
ali1234it would be if touch screens weren't so damn inaccurate02:08
lcukto move it away knocks you off02:09
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ali1234i don't put much faith in those studies. they would probably conclude that computers should have only one button because moving your hand between multiple buttons slows you down02:09
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ali1234then again i don't touch type either02:10
hiptobecubicI do touch type, and I still get impatient with how long it takes.02:11
ali1234i think if you are a touch typer who *never* looks away from the screen you might have difficulty finding your mouse (which can move about)02:11
ali1234but i stare at the keyboard while typing :)02:11
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javispedroeven if you're a touch typer, how are you going to *lose* the mouse?02:11
javispedroit's not like it moves on your own02:12
javispedro*his own.02:12
ali1234not "lose" it... just have difficulty grabbing it quickly when you need to click on something02:12
javispedro*looks at his mouse* right down the spacebar.02:12
hiptobecubici have issues with touchpads being underfoot, so to speak. But that's really just HP being a bunch of stupid assholes more than anything else. Do they really think symmetry sells more laptops?02:13
ali1234ah touchpads... yeah, i tend to use a lot more keyboard shortcuts when i'm on a machine with a touchpad02:13
ali1234but i carry around a usb mouse in my netbook bag anyway02:13
ali1234when i'm using my netbook at home i use synergy to control it with my desktop keyboard and mouse02:14
hiptobecubic... why are you using a netbook at home?02:14
hiptobecubicfrom your desk, no less02:14
ali1234um... because i'm a developer?02:14
* lcuk is close to using n900 as mouse :)02:14
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mwichmannspeaking of usb meece, I'm using one occasionally on the ideapad, since that touchpad is so crappy02:15
ali1234i don't develop and test on the same machine... that way lies madness02:15
mwichmannand it works really poorly02:15
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q02:15
mwichmannit "forgets" if you don't touch it for a bit, you have to click to wake it up02:15
mwichmannthis sound familiar at all?02:15
lcukali1234, why is that madness? :)02:15
ali1234no, i had no problems with usb mouse on meego on ideapad02:15
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mwichmannhumpf02:16
ali1234lcuk i guess it depends what you're developing. if you're testing a kernel module and you have to reboot every time, you don't want to be loading up your whole IDE after every crash...02:16
ali1234also what the hell is that video?02:17
lcukali1234, for sure02:17
lcukali1234, its related to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM02:17
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ali1234o_O02:18
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ali1234mwichmann: to be honest, if i don't touch the mouse for a while on ideapad/meego, it suspends and then can never wake up... maybe that's why i didn't have the problem02:20
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Raghaguys, how do i setup native compilation environment with meego03:32
lcukRagha, depends what you want to compile03:33
Raghalet me start just have gcc first03:34
lcukbut doing "zypper pattern-info development-tools" or "zypper in -t pattern development-tools" should add everything03:34
lcukeven a simple "zypper se gcc" would tell you whether its there ;)03:34
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lcukyou need to also install the -devel packages for libraries you need to use03:35
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Raghai did zypper install pattern:development-tools03:37
Raghai get error03:37
lcukthen debug the error :P03:38
Robot101thiago_: hey, you arrived in vegas?03:38
lcukhey Robot101 :)03:38
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Raghalcuk, doing it03:39
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Robot101lcuk: yo03:40
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lcukRobot101, wheres the conf happening and why aren't you out enjoying Vegas? :D03:42
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lcukor are you sat at a poker table now ircing :P03:42
Robot101I don't really find Vegas that scintillating, and I had a massive headache when I arrived so I'm just chilling out in my room03:43
lcukeek, i bet the short sleep contributed to that03:43
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vgrade\o/ - kernel messages to framebuffer on #advent #vega #tegra204:17
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thiago_Robot101: yes04:22
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Mekheliocastro: not entirely sure why, but I had to remove the "QMAKE_LFLAGS += "-Wl,--as-needed"" line from style.pro or otherwise the internal plugin would fail to load because it didn't link against all the needed libraries...07:17
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Guest82200hey08:10
Guest82200please let me know latest kernel version of meego08:11
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hlzxyanyone built OpenCV-2.0.0-5.124.src.rpm with obs? I need some help . this is end of the info:   http://pastebin.com/TGHYXZJS10:13
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Stskeepsthat is for ARM?10:16
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hlzxyyes, armv7el10:17
Stskeepsget from 1.2 OpenCV 2.2, it compiles for arm10:18
tyson_meego1.2???10:20
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Stskeepsyes, or as it's called atm, meego 1.1.8010:25
Stskeeps.something10:25
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hlzxy1.1.80.6.20101116.1  version contain 2.0.0,  so fast.10:28
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Stskeepshlzxy: yeah, it was fixed recently10:47
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henahmh, chromium seriously sucks the juices out of my lappie12:54
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henacouple tabs open and one with plenty of images and load shoots up12:56
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AndyBleadenhena, why dont you try using firefox instead12:57
henai guess i'll try12:57
hlzxywhen I use osc -A url   ,how I can out my account.12:58
AndyBleadenhena, I never let chromium last on this...looks fast but slows everything else down12:58
AndyBleadenhena, you know how to install it on meego?12:58
henais there a specific procedure on it?12:59
henaof cource i can do it my way12:59
AndyBleadenhena did a blog on it here http://andybleadengoeskubuntu.blogspot.com/12:59
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AndyBleadenno specifics but i was new ish to meego so had to do it this way12:59
henasweet13:00
AndyBleadenI dont use chromium now at all13:00
hlzxywhat I should do  if I want to logout my account with osc?anyone know it .13:00
henaAndyBleaden: thanks13:01
AndyBleadenhlzxy, what is osc13:01
AndyBleadenhena, no probs13:01
hlzxyAndyBleaden:command connet to obs13:01
AndyBleadenhena, let me know if you get stuck..be aware they might have a new version of Firefox and a different language version for you13:01
AndyBleadenhlzxy, not done that obs thing...anyone else?13:02
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hlzxyI use command 'osc -A url commit"  ,it show info:http://pastebin.com/VWJcjNM5   , anyone can help me13:06
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henaseems like chromium is a memory hog13:08
Bostikby design, I'd say13:09
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RST38hall that matters is whether it is a bigger memory hog than Fennec13:10
Bostikit's a tradeoff from its security sandboxing feature (pages for each source domain by default run in their separate subprocess)13:10
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henaseems like a weird choice for meego, to m13:11
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McPelswhat's are the differences between maemo and meego?13:15
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RST38hgoogle? wikipedia?13:15
McPelsI mean if i install meego on n900 it would be fifferent from now?13:18
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StskeepsMcPels: maemo's occasionally useful, meego is under development and warms your hands13:18
dm8tbrStskeeps++13:19
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McPelsStskeeps: Sorry i couldn't get u. can uexplain more?13:19
henahah13:19
StskeepsMcPels: means meego is not really end user ready13:20
Stskeepsie, meego on n90013:20
McPelsStskeeps: So is it easy to install meego on n90013:22
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Stskeepsit takes a bit of leg work13:22
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McPelsStskeeps: Another question, will meego release for PCs too?13:23
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Stskeepsyes, IA and ARM13:25
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McPelsStskeeps: And do u know when?13:26
smokuMeeGo for x86 netbooks is usable as daily os already13:26
StskeepsMcPels: meego.com, please visit :)13:26
McPelsStskeeps: thanks :||13:26
lcukmore valid questions include: is beowulf clustering software available13:27
lcukand does meego boot on cray supercomputers13:27
dm8tbrand will it install on the cloud13:27
Bostikthat reminds me of a marvelous riposte a friend's boss and professor once came up13:28
Bostiksome of my friends, in different universities, were all working on cluster computing; a guy asked why the different university clusters aren't combined into a single mega-cluster13:28
Bostikthe response was brilliant:13:29
Bostik"It would require some major scientific breakthrough (eg. exceeding or raising the speed of light) to get the operation latencies down enough to make it feasible"13:29
lcukyes, obviously dataset dependent13:30
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lcukbut there are certain operations which are feasible13:30
RST38hBostik: Go explain that to Slashdot crowd.13:30
RST38hBostik: Count the number of Beowulf Cluster Of These responses.13:31
Bostiktrue, of course if something is highly (or perfectly) parallelizable, you can always split the work into coherent and individual chunks13:31
RST38hBostik: Count the number of In Soviet Russia responses.13:31
RST38hBostik: Weep.13:31
henait's hard to count flops when latency is measured in seconds ;)13:31
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Bostikcan't be arsed, I value what's left of my questionable sanity13:31
lcukMultiple the number of responses by the attempts at first post13:31
lcukand dip heartily into some hot grits13:31
RST38hlcuk: That wouldn't be sporting enough13:32
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RST38hlcuk: The goal is to reach despair by using addition and subtraction only!13:32
Bostikanother friend formulated a statistical law few years back13:32
Bostik"one /. post in 10k is valuable; within those, one post in a thousand is brilliant"13:33
smokujust like with people13:33
RST38hSeriously, though, http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=119385613:34
RST38hKnuth's view of parallelism and the use of multicore archs13:34
RST38hsmoku: I thought the generally accepted view of people has been 1/10, not 1/10k? =)13:35
smokuRST38h, political correctnes ;P13:36
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lcukhey - is there a screenshot gallery containing all the dialogs encountered during netbook install13:45
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lcukso I can confirm about whether the installer allows dual booting (by leaving some space on the drive)13:45
dm8tbrbe a hero, run it in vbox and create it! :)13:45
lcuktimeless_mbp, you have dual boot?13:45
lcukdm8tbr, thanks for the offer :D13:45
timeless_mbpdual boot what?13:46
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lcuktimeless_mbp, do you dual boot the ideapad?13:46
timeless_mbpnot yet13:46
smokulcuk, IIRC it allows for dualboot. But I don't have any proof. ;-)13:47
lcukyeah13:48
lcukthats why I am thinking the screenshots13:48
lcukI am sure someone at meegoconf took a whole set13:48
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AndyBleadenlcuk, timeless_mbp You can dual boot but meego bootloader is greedy and you have to be careful where you put it. Had this trouble in Moblin What you looking to dual boot it with?13:50
timeless_mbpw7starter13:50
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timeless_mbpbut only if someone provides an installer which non-destructively shrinks my ntfs partition13:51
smokudoh.  how I like the ideapad keyboard... it feels so much bigger than on my 13" laptop13:52
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smokutimeless_mbp, I always use parted live cd to shrink windows13:53
AndyBleadentimeless_mbp, oh eck you tried the guide on the forum13:53
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lcuksmoku, the ip keyboard is kinda nice13:54
lcukbut some keys are in wrong place13:54
smokulcuk, Fn for example ;-)13:54
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lcuknahh I am used to that smoku13:56
lcuki have x200s for normal day/day13:56
lcukits home/end/pgup/down surprisingly13:57
smokulcuk, I keep hitting it instead of Ctrl13:57
lcukam used to avoiding it13:58
smokuthe best layout for PgUp/down/home/end I had on sony vaio - it was Fn + up/down/left/right13:58
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smokuso i was scrolling pages normally with up/down and when i wanted more just press Fn and still use up/down13:58
lcukthanks RST38h Bostik13:59
* lcuk has "natalie portman" in search bar now for some reason :P13:59
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timeless_mbpftr, i haven't looked at all14:35
timeless_mbpi'm waiting for someone to volunteer to walk me through it14:35
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lcuktimeless_mbp, well I actually thought you already had it (hence me asking you) but will watch out for others15:00
lcukand possibly also just try to install from the usb key I have and take some pics too15:00
timeless_mbpi've been "planning" on it for a while15:00
timeless_mbpi have the usb key15:00
timeless_mbpbut i'm not using it until someone non-distructively repartitions15:00
timeless_mbpand i'm told the key can't do that15:01
lcukwell hopefully one of the ~500 people over there might know/have capability to test/compare etc15:05
CosmoHill.o/15:06
dm8tbrI'd try but I dont' have one :)15:06
lcukdm8tbr, I can send you a usb key15:06
lcukbut you are on your own for device itself15:06
dm8tbrbah!15:06
lcukits a very pretty key15:06
lcukmeego branded15:06
* dm8tbr will continue hacking meego onto his Archos 101 then15:07
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ZuhaitzHi :-)15:09
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lcuk\o hi Zuhaitz15:10
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CosmoHillif they can't remember my sent text messages they can f off too15:35
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CosmoHillwtf is the point of syncing messages if I only have half the conversation15:36
timeless_mbpCosmoHill: my ideapad stole a copy of my n900's sms's15:36
timeless_mbpi think15:36
* timeless_mbp considers looking15:36
timeless_mbpare you saying it was "special"?15:37
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CosmoHillthere are some text conversations that were important to me15:37
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CosmoHilloh fuck you windows, now my keyboard and mouse have stopped working15:38
timeless_mbperr wtf15:39
timeless_mbpso, lemme get this straight15:39
CosmoHillkeyboard, mouce and phone were all connected via a hub15:39
timeless_mbpovi suite doesn't show me messages in my phone unless my phone is connected?15:39
CosmoHillit shows the messages on your phone yes15:39
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CosmoHillI synced my messages with the computer15:39
timeless_mbphow "helpful"15:39
CosmoHillso they should be aviable offline15:40
timeless_mbpit doesn't do that automatically?15:40
* timeless_mbp is terribly confused15:40
CosmoHillno15:40
* timeless_mbp concludes the ui must be terrible15:40
CosmoHillI click the sync button at the botto15:40
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CosmoHillat least my keyboard and mouse are working now15:51
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CosmoHilla lot of messages I've sent are missing15:53
CosmoHillmaybe it's just not synced properly15:54
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CosmoHillcos I have some recent ones, then there's a gap and then more send messages15:54
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djszapiHow could I type ö ä characters in stardict on my n900 ? I tried to copy a file onto the device for instance with those characters but I cannot copy anything from the terminal into the stardict ? What is the easiest way ?16:03
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djszapictrl, shift insert magic cannot work either in terminal since there is no insert button.16:16
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mschlensdjszapi: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V?16:56
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corp769does anyone here have a successful port of meego to the n900?17:29
araujocorp769, there exist meego images for N900 already17:29
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corp769oh i know. i'm just asking if everything works, or if there are still bugs to be worked out17:30
Stskeepsplenty of bugs to be ironed out, we're making a hardware adaptation :)17:30
corp769yea i know =P17:31
corp769i would really like to try it out, but i need full functionality of my phone, ya know....17:31
lcukcorp769, tell you what, if you can help fix bugs you will have phone faster!17:32
corp769i would like to =P17:34
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corp769but with the job i have, and only having one n900, thats gonna be hard to do17:35
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lcukcorp769, yes indeed17:35
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SharRakorRi can help with that bugs17:37
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corp769shit, i would, but i'm military and can't risk redoing my phone all the time17:39
lcuksivang, hmmm "why ideapad got very slow all of a sudden"17:39
lcuki thought I was going mad a couple of weeks ago when it did this, i got called away and when it booted back up (I closed the lid) it worked fine17:40
sivanglcuk: oh, that's from last night, I gave up on it. the UX is just not usable :/17:40
sivanglcuk: well, no, it also boots slower now17:40
sivanglcuk: so I'm out of clue entrily17:40
lcuksivang, hm17:40
sivangNow I wish I had left window on it17:40
sivangat least I could read pdf books on the go17:40
sivangwith the diaplsy rotated17:40
sivangsome here were smart enough to do so :-p17:41
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sivanglcuk: I just wanted to simply read books, check emails, and do some facebook browsing and youtube17:41
SharRakorRlcuk, i can help with that bugs,because i have two phones (n900,N95 8GB)so it will be ok if n900 will die :D17:41
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corp769must be nice to let a n900 die =P17:44
fiferboyYes, my first successful build of a MeeGo app with OBS!17:44
Stskeepsfiferboy: congrats :)17:44
fiferboyEasier than I thought once I figured out spec files :)17:44
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lcukSharRakorR, technically if it dies I would consider filing a bug.17:46
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lcukthe only dramatic effect at the moment appears to be missed calls when maemo isnt running17:46
corp769just curious, can you run maemo and meego side my side?17:46
arjanfiferboy: if you use spectacle, most of the hairy spec file stuff goes away17:46
corp769side by side*17:46
araujoit is not like your n900 will die ... it will get warmer than usual, and not as fully functional yet, but it works :P17:46
sivangaraujo: what's on it?17:47
fiferboyarjan: I did use spectacle, but it is a bit weird17:47
fiferboyIt's like using a spec file to generate a spec file :)17:47
araujosivang, meego17:47
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fiferboy(It did make things easier in the end, though)17:47
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SharRakorRlcuk, it was only a joke :D :) only thing i wanna say,if you will need help,just say :)17:47
odin_fiferboy,  can I copy it! :)  or can you at least make it readable on OBS for others to see it ?  I think the default is like hidden.   I have not gotten back to resolving why I can't build locally let alone remotely, must be a config issue17:47
timeless_mbphttp://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html17:48
fiferboyodin_: I will look into making it public.  It was my understanding that everything in OBS was public by default17:48
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sivangaraujo: meego makes your N900 die?17:48
odin_fiferboy, I'm not sure since the new OBS version with ACLs, as in... I can't seem to just browse anything via web UI17:48
araujosivang, was answering corp769 :P17:49
fiferboyodin_: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=personal-lexicon&project=home%3Afiferboy17:49
corp769=P17:49
corp769thanks17:49
sivangaraujo: ah :)17:50
odin_bug #61517:50
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 enh, Medium, ---, ryan.r.ware, ASSI, Open the access of MeeGo OBS17:50
* odin_ sighs17:50
lcukfiferboy, does that do partial word suggestions?17:50
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fiferboylcuk: No, not right now17:51
fiferboylcuk: My main aim was for exact matches, but I will make a future version do partials17:51
sivangodin_: meego obs as in pub.build.meego.com ?17:51
odin_fiferboy, thanks I'll try and see what I am doing wrong and fix my package now17:52
lcukfiferboy, no hassle, cool you got it in obs17:52
fiferboyodin_: Hopefully the packing is a good example to follow, it is my first attempt :)17:52
lcukand you reminded me of a word I invented17:52
fiferboylcuk: Thanks, I just wanted a starter project to get my MeeGo build on17:52
lcukand just found out its now in uran dictionary :D17:53
fiferboylcuk: Ooh, what word?17:53
lcuklexicolon17:53
fiferboyPersonal Lexicon tells me that is not a real word :P17:53
lcukhttp://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=149500&cid=1252894717:53
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* lcuk shudders that as little as 5 years ago I was openly discussing apple topics :P17:54
fiferboyHa, nice!17:54
odin_sivang, no this is to allow access to the "MeeGo Core OBS" to lift/copy/replicate data, it might be half useful if I could browse into https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.1%3ACore  (i.e. should there not be a list of packages in there already, all public and branchable?  since they (community obs admins) have a MeeGo Core OBS account to do it)17:54
fiferboyBullshimble is also not valid17:54
Stskeepsodin_: there's nothing in there cos of the way OBS works :)17:55
Stskeeps(not ACLs)17:55
Stskeepsit's imported binaries, they don't show up as packages17:55
Stskeepsthough it could be interesting to see if it's possible to do a hybrid17:55
Stskeepswhere srpms are imported too17:55
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sivangodin_: I did not follow the bug completely, but you say we cannot even browse the repos?17:57
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sivangodin_: "does nto have any packages yet"17:57
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fiferboyI have built that package now for Windows (with installer), Maemo5, MeeGo, and desktop Linux (deb)17:58
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odin_fiferboy, out of interest can you "osc build personal-lexicon.spec" locally ok?  or are you doing 100% remote build and taking commit counter hits (a partial-commit feature to obs would allow users to group/test/batch separate changes remote builds, without bumping the commit id)17:59
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fiferboyodin_: I did a rpmbuild locally, but not using osc.  When I did remote builds I had to fix some files and re-upload, which took commit hits18:00
odin_Stskeeps, yes is the usage to remote branch between MeeGo Core OBS and the MeeGo Community OBS then ?   so what / why does the project namespaces like MeeGo:1.1:Core exist on cobs at all ?  what is the purpose18:00
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Stskeepsodin_: imported rpms, quite normal practice - you can't build against them without projects18:01
odin_fiferboy, is it possible to try "obs build personal-lexicon.spec" please ?18:01
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Stskeeps'osc'18:01
Stskeepsmorning qgil - happy new year!18:01
qgilhi Stskeeps :)18:01
odin_Stskeeps, is the import process automatic, any pointers to docs on that ?   yes 'osc' :)18:01
fiferboyodin_: I don't have osc installed on any machines right now18:01
odin_fiferboy, ok no worries18:02
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Stskeepsodin_: go look at my 10 easy steps to set up obs for an idea18:02
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qgilhas anybody seen/heard/read tekojo X-Fade lbt or bergie lately?18:02
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lcukhey qgil, X-Fade was floating around this morning18:02
Stskeepsqgil: X-Fade's around, tekojo was back at work yesterday, lbt's on vacation18:02
lcukbergie is afaik in Africa still18:02
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Myrttiyup, judging his flickr pictures18:03
lcukRT: @bergie exploring Mombasa. Next two nights will be spent on bus and plane http://qaiku.com/go/aen0/     http://twitter.com/bergie/status/23000874561310720   (a couple of hours ago)18:03
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qgilthanks - alternatively does anybody know if there is any information about Apps, Extras, Surrounds, Packages, Community OBS development... something I could link at http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update to follow the progress?18:04
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odin_Stskeeps, ah yes.. the solution is to run a local OBS then ?  ok this was my intention all along, but I shall replicate MeeGo Core packages in version control I want to branch, I had heard that cobs could assist in this matter somehow   (found wiki page: 10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS )18:04
Stskeepsodin_: no, read the script to understand how release imports work18:04
Stskeeps:)18:04
odin_ok looking18:04
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lcukqgil, I would suggest a bug (unless you know of one)18:07
qgilyeah, I already created one for bergie and planet.meego.com progress and I will do the same for the rest18:08
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qgilit's just that... I also have plenty of things to do  :)18:08
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lcukyeah, but once the bug is in place it becomes easier to ping the related parties18:09
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qgilwell, lcuk I can tell you that lack of pings is not the problem  :)18:10
Stskeepsperhaps we need to have a team of community facilitators who helps the people executing various things (community obs, apps, whatever) find needed people/resources, keeping tabs on progress, etc18:11
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qgillcuk: interestingly enough I'm chasing not only corporate employees to get more documentation and reports at *.meego.com, but also community people with impecable openness agenda like the aforementioned - for different reasons18:11
qgilStskeeps: this is in part what Dawn, Mike or myself are doing in Community Office tasks - but I can't jump physically on their desks  :)18:12
qgilanyway, this discussion is funnier with the people mentioned involved18:12
Stskeeps:nod:18:13
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Stskeepswe could need some proper mini project management tools :) to list blockers and so on for community activities, but i suppose bugzilla could possibly be used for it18:15
lardmanhi qgil, did you get my email?18:15
lcukfiferboy, how are you finding obs18:16
GAN900Stskeeps, sounds like a council. ;)18:16
fiferboylcuk: Much easier than last time I tried it (during maemo 4 times, I think)18:16
lcukStskeeps, simply filing bugs for activities is a good start ;)18:16
StskeepsGAN900: i'm sure you know my opinions on how well that concept is at managing projects18:16
Stskeeps:P18:16
GAN900It's not management, it's facilitation.18:16
qgilStskeeps: have you seen http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update ? what else do you need for casual tracking and reporting - apart from the people working giving updates from time to time?18:16
fiferboyHaving a obs specifically for MeeGo seems like it does a lot of the setup for the user, which is good18:16
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Stskeepsqgil: looking18:17
Stskeepsqgil: yeah, that's looking like a good tool :)18:17
qgillardman: yes, I did  - I'll get back to you18:17
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Stskeepsqgil: i would add things like policies to be made that needs to be ready for meego 1.2, as well18:18
lardmanqgil: cool, thanks18:18
qgilStskeeps: the problem with the work on Community OBS, Apps, Packages etc is that it seems to be done Without a Trace18:18
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GAN900qgil, is there any reporting documentation up?18:19
qgilStskeeps: that page is about meego.com updates, something that ultimately I'm responsible of - if there are Policy bugs that need to be fixed before 1.2 release then the best is to lobby for them18:19
qgilGAN900: "reporting documentation"?18:19
GAN900qgil, "Here is how, what and where you report on your tasks."18:20
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Stskeepsqgil: :nod: i don't disagree on that (that it is being done a bit invisibly), but i think a lot of meego IT is conducted that way too..18:20
Stskeepsso i think it might be a wider area problem18:20
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qgilGAN900: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#Tasks says "Every task must point to a bug report and/or a wiki page describing the task, where to help and the progress. One coordinator is assigned to each task but more people might be involved (check the link)."18:21
qgilGAN900: if you think more is needed then I'm all ears18:21
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qgilGAN900: then again, I don't thin k the problem of lack of reporting is in the process. it is just in the lack of reporting  :)18:22
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qgilStskeeps: what I would like to find is the root of the problem. Apps, Community OBS etc don't have any dependency on hidden agendas, server security etc (that I'm aware of)18:22
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qgilactually we had these problems of lack of reporting in the Maemo times already18:23
Stskeepswell, it does have dependancies on server security and legal counsel for "what can be kept on community obs", at least18:23
Stskeepslegal counsel/policy18:23
qgilwith council and everything  ;)18:23
Stskeepsdue to the usual patent/licensing nightmares18:24
qgilStskeeps: sure, but none of that discussion is private or needs to be private18:24
Stskeeps:nod:18:24
lcukyou can have those dependencies, but you can also have a bug saying "people are working on stuff"18:24
qgilbug report + meego-community would suffice18:24
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Stskeepsi think a standard reporting of "what problems do we have that needs to be solved by: us, someone else, what have we accomplished in this week" and have someone follow up on what 'others' need to do18:27
GAN900qgil, well, easier to report when you know exactly how and when you're expected to.18:27
Stskeeps+would be good18:27
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Stskeepssuch as "need a policy for OSI licensing" or "mike isn't answering our mails and the user database hasn't been accessible for a month" ;)18:28
* Stskeeps goes back to hacking18:28
henacool18:28
Stskeepsso there's a outlet for blockers and a motivation to report as it can help move ahead on issues18:28
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qgilGAN900: isn't the other way around? reportimng as part of your open development work, and you report every time there is a significant achievement, or something that get's you stuck, needing help/feedback from others?18:29
henai just bumped to two annoying bugs on netbook18:29
henatoo bad i don't remember anymore what they were...18:30
qgilGAN900: actually this might be part of the root problem: the perception that reporting is something "you have to do because there is a process or hierarchy that requires it"18:30
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qgilGAN900: as opposed as "reporting because it helps me getting things done sooner, better and faster"18:31
Stskeepsand making sure reports don't just go into /dev/null, that someone actually reads them and reacts on them..18:31
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Stskeepsi'm sure there's corporate studies on this18:31
Stskeeps:P18:31
GAN900qgil, probably, but I'm completely overwhelmed by the number of channels in MeeGo.18:32
GAN900I couldn't even begin to guess whether different tasks have been reporting on one of the 20-odd mailing lists.18:33
* lardman suffers from that too18:33
qgilGAN900: reporting is about using the wiki to document the stuff you want to achieve / you have done + bugzilla to report progress on specific features and bugs. That's it.18:33
qgilGAN900: forums, mailing lists, IRC and tweets are not good for reporting18:34
timeless_mbpqgil: you have any plans to be this side of the pond this quarter?18:34
qgilI just came from Europe this week, timeless_mbp18:35
timeless_mbpqgil: oops18:35
timeless_mbpis that your only planned visit for the quarter?18:35
qgiltimeless_mbp: and for the half, probably18:35
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GAN900I don't think wikis make for great project management tools.18:36
henathey can18:36
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henareal project management tools sometimes slow things up a lot18:36
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Stskeepssimple centralized project management tool would really be good18:37
qgilGAN900: wikis are great for documentation18:37
Stskeepslike i suggested back on maemo.org18:37
qgilStskeeps: if people don't find time to report on a bug, I believe they will find even less time to report in anything more complex than that, something that needs to be learned, etc18:38
Stskeepsqgil: true18:38
henabig project usually need bigger tools, but using bigger tools for small projects is a huge loss of manyears18:38
qgilguys, nobody is asking for anything more than: "please explain what you are aiming to achieve and where are you now"18:39
henaand for me for example, if the bugtracker is webbased it's already too much usually :/18:39
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lcukqgil, the learning aspect is certainly true.18:40
mwichmannhena: I actually find deskzilla (bz client) useful, it has offline storage and can be pretty quick18:40
mwichmannit's commercial, but free to oss projects, and knows about moblin.com18:40
henayeah, need something like that18:40
lcukmwichmann, i find the web interface great, especially with linkage on irc18:41
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henasomehow reporting a bug in the middle of something is so big stop that it's hard to get back in hackmode after that18:41
lcukgiving people a link right in their face along with encouragement adds votes or comments18:41
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henai mean if it's webbased18:41
henabut i guess i'm weird cuz i hate forums and such also for the same reason18:42
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lcukcertainly hena18:42
lcukjust the action of selecting the component is a biggy18:43
* lcuk getting chinese for tea tonight, will bbl \o18:43
qgilabout Apps/Extras etc there was apparently a whole sprint done in Helsinki, announced by Tero & co in the MeeGo Conference - no trace18:44
qgilthey have been working for a long time on complex sites like the packages catalog, the apps catalog... - no trace18:44
qgilthere is a gap between this and having to report daily in a scrum-like way, in a specialized tool etc. I'm just asking form a wiki page with the description of what is the goal and a bug report or more explaining the progress everythime there is something worth mentioning18:45
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lardmandoes the person doing the work even have to write to the wiki themselves, I imagine a group of people could look at the ml and lurk in the channel (thinking of meego-arm here) and update the wiki as things of interest happen18:49
qgillardman: even for the person doing the work writing down in a wiki page what do you want to achieve is a good thing. Even more if there is more than one person working on the same thing. Even more if these people are not saring the same office.18:50
qgillardman: but yes, once a first stab is done and agreed then it is easier for anybody to help adding up and updating18:51
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lardmanI certainly think it would be useful for people who are contributing to say what they are doing (and indeed who they are), but they needn't do this themselves, there are enough of us not contributing atm to be able to take whatever info they give us and transcribe it18:56
lardmanuseful for those who want to know what they might be able to help with that is18:56
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Stskeepsmeego project tracking is bugzilla (features, infrastructure, bugs), so isn't it an idea since most people who are needed to accomplish something in community is on there, to use that as well to track activities and set up some typical work patterns "use a metabug for your activity, raise sub-bugs for issues where you need to involve others for help, and do reporting of your progress in the metabug"19:00
Stskeepsi don't even see a community OBS bug atm so19:01
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lardmanworking out what to search for in the bugtracker is not the easiest for those browsing19:02
Stskeepsyou can't beat the simplicity of commenting on a bugzilla bug and CC'ing people on a bug/assigning19:02
Stskeepsof course, but that's where you have wiki bugzilla plugin ;)19:02
Stskeepsand dependancy trees19:02
lardmanah, I was going to suggest generating something automatically19:02
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Stskeepshttp://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=11429&hide_resolved=0 , where things that needs to be done turn into bugs19:03
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lardmanis there an overall bug/enhancement for e.g. Meego 1.2 on N900?19:05
lardmanso that each of the other bugs can be pulled out from that?19:05
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Stskeepsthat one is a problem - we are working on how hardware adaptations fit in meego requirements, because they don't belong with meego core, handset ux, whatever19:06
Stskeepsand every work starts from a requirement19:06
Stskeepsour intention is to start having adaptation requirements, "nokia n900 adaptation must have a libEGL implementation" and so on19:07
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Stskeepshttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-porting/2010-November/000087.html19:09
Stskeepsrequirements are in bugzilla, naturally :)19:09
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lardmanok, so that sounds like it's in hand, if still wip. I guess for would-be users a summary of the bug list and its effects would still be of use19:11
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Stskeepshttp://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=ARM%20issues%201.2%20NEW&sharer_id=1890 :P19:12
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lardmanbut I don;t see that as something that the devs need to do19:13
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lardmanok, so that will keep me busy this evening then ;)19:13
Stskeepsanother way is the bug triage meetings to catch issues early19:13
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lardmanI've got to go and pick up my wife, but will be back this evening, I'll be happy to sketch out and at least try to start filling in something N900 related for the masses19:16
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lardmanassuming you guys are happy with that; afterall I did complain about the difficulty of working out what's going on, so a task might force me to find out ;)19:17
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lardmananyway, bbl19:17
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Stskeepswe're happy about all contributions19:17
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CasIs MeeGo as configurable and open as Meamo?20:01
Stskeepsi'd say more20:01
CasBecause?20:01
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Stskeepsbecause it's a open source platform? :P20:02
CasMaemo is, too20:02
Stskeepsnot really20:02
Stskeepslet me drag out an article20:02
CasAnd Maemo is Nokia alone, with MeeGo, Intel came20:02
miheroand linux foundation is wathing over MeeGo20:02
Stskeepshttp://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html20:02
Stskeeps43% open source20:03
CasBut, still, is it as configurable as Maemo? Can you get to a terminal, for example, without having to hack your mobile?20:04
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wmaroneCas: depends on what the handset vendor does20:05
Stskeepsyes, but keep in mind there's no handsets deployed with it yet - so it's the platform you see atm20:05
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Stskeepsso a vendor may lock it down as wished (open source platform) or leave some things open as it's too much effort20:05
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CasAlright, thank you20:06
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djszapimschlens: does ctrl-c,v work by you ?20:08
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mschlensdjszapi: It usually does on my N90020:11
djszapiit does not by me.20:11
djszapiit works in another applications, but not in console, have you ever tried it ?20:11
djszapior just saying ?20:11
mschlensdjszapi: It was just a hunch.20:13
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wmaronectrl+c can't possibly work in the console for copy and paste, it already has a specific purpose :/20:13
djszapiyes.20:14
djszapinever worked for me...20:14
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mschlensUh, duh... right. Sorry.20:14
mschlensForget what I said :)20:14
henaC-c works for me in the terminal20:15
henawell, "works"20:15
djszapidefine "works"20:15
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mschlensdjszapi: does C-S-c/v work?20:16
henai get the char printed20:16
djszapianyways...I am not sure what the best way is to type non-ascii characters in stardict, this copy/paste is just a workaround, is there a btter way ?20:16
djszapihena: in mstardict ?20:16
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henaoh, sorry20:16
hena:)20:16
djszapihena: it does not really work by me: what I do is 1) select the arrow on the left 2) select a text 3) ctrl-c20:17
wmaronetap the menu at the top and select copy20:17
wmaronectrl-c just sends a break command20:17
wmaronewait20:18
wmaronemeego, not familiar with its terminal20:18
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henayeah, my terminal does not do what it's "supposed to" with C-c20:18
djszapiyou were right, that works20:18
henabut it's sent all the way to irssi tho20:18
djszapity.20:18
djszapiis there a lesser painful way ?20:19
wmaronetry doing ctrl+shift+c?20:19
mschlensuse a proper computer? ;-)20:19
djszapifor example to install a virtual keyboard for a key combo ?20:19
djszapiwhere I can choose non-ascii characters ?20:19
wmaronewhat language are you using?20:20
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djszapiFinnish, but it is language independent question.20:20
djszapic-s-c does not work either.20:20
djszapiarrow, control like virtual keyboard would be nice, but with much more non-ascii characters.20:22
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djszapishould I write such a small app ? :)20:23
pupnikcould meego and Palm OS merge?20:24
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Stskeepspupnik: you mean webos20:25
pupnikoh yes t20:25
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dnearyI like that the way to nominate a page for deletion in the MeeGo wiki is to add it to the "Die die die" category :)20:25
dnearyIt's a little silly20:26
dnearyJust enough to be fun20:26
dnearyAnd a little nod to the Simpsons20:26
Migzydoh!20:26
dneary"Any man who speaks German can't be that bad"20:26
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Migzyanyone had any joy mounting hfs volumes on netbook 1.1?20:29
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timeless_mbpdneary: cute20:31
* timeless_mbp loads http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Die_die_die20:31
dnearytimeless_mbp, The German thing, or Die die die?20:32
dnearyThere's lots to do there :)20:32
dnearySomeone from Tieto went through all the Quality pages20:32
dnearyhttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=869020:33
dnearySorry - Arto, from Digia20:33
timeless_mbpheh20:35
timeless_mbp<one of those random nokia oriented contracting groups>20:35
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fldrogSo, what you think? Android vs meego? What's the future of meego?:P21:19
Stskeepsfldrog: meego running in people's brains, naturally21:20
fldrog:))21:20
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fldrogthat is the answer I was looking for21:21
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Raghahi21:38
Stskeepshi21:39
Raghai have question: how can i search for a package name from a file?21:39
Raghai wanna know which package contains xf86drm.h21:40
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Stskeepsrpm -qf /path21:40
Stskeepsif you have it installed already :P21:40
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Raghai dont have the package installed21:40
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henahow many from here work for nokia?22:01
Stskeepsi think it's safe to say there's a large bunch of subcontractors, intel, nokia employees here22:01
Stskeepskeep in mind they're here to work, not to comment on juicy rumours on products ;)22:02
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henayeah, i'm just wondering how is it to work for nokia22:07
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henasince i have this mental image that it wouldn't be so pleasant22:08
hena:)22:08
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henanever thought of nokia much as a software company and the process seems too complicated to get stuff done22:11
henabut what do i know22:11
Stskeepsi think it's important to keep nokia and meego devices seperate in your mental image :P22:12
RST38hStskeeps: stop driving people schizophrenic=)22:14
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RST38hIn related news, 4.5" Android handsets are at the gate.22:15
Stskeepsit wasn't long ago that handsets had to be so tiny, heh22:16
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smokuRST38h, I already had a 5" android handset22:20
berndhssoon people will have their servents carry Big Handsets for them22:21
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PaspartuIs there going to be any meego tablet reveals in CES?22:26
RST38hStskeeps: ironically, it is pocketable enough22:26
StskeepsRST38h: and people laughed when we had n800's in our pockets..22:26
RST38hsmoku: Which one? and how did it feel?22:27
RST38hStskeeps: Oh, believe me, that 4.5" handset is way more pocketable than n80022:27
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RST38hStskeeps:very thing, hardly any border22:27
RST38hs/thing/thin22:28
smokuRST38h, Dell Streak. and I loved it :)22:28
RST38hsmoku: Ah,have been looking at it,need to handle it though. It is more of a tablet though. Is it pocketable?22:29
smokuRST38h, fits in jeans (front) pocket perfectly22:30
smokuit's so thin that I would say it's more pocketable than N90022:30
RST38hsmoku:sounds good enough, as far as I am concerned. Is it hackable though?22:32
lcukis it a phone?22:32
smokuyes22:32
lcukdoes it have keyboard?22:32
smokuand yes22:32
ali1234it's snapdragon, it's a phone, it has no keyboard22:32
smokuand no :)22:32
lcukshame22:32
smokuRST38h, http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:streak22:33
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* lcuk still adores formfactor of n81022:33
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RST38hsmoku: yooooo....22:34
smokuyup. I appreciate the full keyboard even more since I got back to using N90022:34
lcuksmoku,22:34
lcukyou say you loved it22:35
lcukpast tense22:35
lcukwhat was wrong with it22:35
smokulcuk, no 3d drivers -> no meego22:35
lcukroger22:36
smokuand I hate android22:36
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smokubut if you like android...22:36
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lcukstrong words22:36
ali1234ever since i got a C7 i cannot use those stupid phone keyboards any more22:36
lcukits just an os22:36
RST38hso, two minuses are android and no keyboard?22:36
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smokulcuk, and it gives me just this feeling ;-)22:37
smokuit's just a feeling22:37
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smokuRST38h, I wouldn't call lack of keyboard a minus.  not a plus either ;-)22:38
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RST38hHow is native app development on the android nowadays?22:39
smokulcuk, I just don't like things designed to restrict me22:39
lcuksmoku, so its purely drivers issue still then for all these22:40
smokuRST38h, en example - quake port is a small dalvik launcher and input/display layer translator, and the whole game as a .so extension to this launcher22:41
RST38hsmoku: So, PalmOSallover again?22:41
smokulcuk, 1. closed hardware;  2. lack of linux drivers (if the hardware allows you in)22:41
RST38hCan you at least have global data in those .so's?22:42
smokuRST38h, I don't know PalmOS, but if you say so :)22:42
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RST38hsmoku: PalmOS as a whole ran inside a 68000 emulator on the ARM PalmOS devices22:42
RST38hsmoku: And tobreak out of this emulator, app developers had to write very restricted DLLs with a single entry point22:43
smokuso it's not this case22:43
smokuthe case is that you're not allowed to run binary applications. dalvik only22:44
smokubut you're allowed to extend your dalivik app with binary dynamic modules22:44
smokuso if you have a normal binary app, you convert it as a whole to a loadable module and wrap in a thin dalvik loader22:45
* RST38h loudly wondering when all the remaining Java adepts are finallygoing to die out22:45
smokuso NDK is not for allowing binary aps.. no no... Dalvik FTW22:46
Bostiknot anytime soon22:46
RST38hsmoku: Do you get the direct frame buffer access though?22:46
Bostikit's the COBOL of 21st century, after all22:46
smokuRST38h, are you kidding?22:46
RST38hsmoku: Ehrrrm... and nodirect audio access?22:46
smokuhehehe :D22:46
RST38hOk. Then how do you...mhm...like... draw to the screen? fast?22:47
smokuyou need a video/audio/input translator between your app and Java APIs22:47
smokuyou're in luck if your app uses SDL, because this translator is already done22:47
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smokuas usuall - you draw in a backbuffer and then give Dalvik a pointer to blit to screen22:48
RST38hHow are the framerates then? My stuff really likes fast drawing22:48
RST38haha22:48
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RST38hSo it is like StretchBlt() on Windows22:48
RST38hDoes the Dalvik API includes something for hardware scaling?22:49
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smokudid I mention I hate android? ;-)  I only looked at SDL port, not at the API itself ;P22:49
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RST38hAHa, I see22:52
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CosmoHillare any of the forum admins on IRC?23:14
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DawnFosterCosmoHill: maybe :)23:20
CosmoHillI'm interested in what anti-spam measures there are on the forums23:20
DawnFosterMight be a better question for Reggie23:20
DawnFosterI know that I get an email when someone marks something as spam23:21
DawnFosterand I have the super powers to delete stuff23:21
CosmoHillall mods do23:21
DawnFosterbut he probably has some other stuff going on in the background that I never see23:21
CosmoHillI'm a super mod on another vBulletin forum and I get reported most emails too :)23:21
CosmoHillthe mods then race each other to claim the kill23:22
DawnFosterHa! I hide and hope someone else goes in for the kill ;)23:22
CosmoHillI'm pretty much the spam filter for our forum :(23:22
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CosmoHillReggie doesn't have an IRC name listed on the Who's Who page23:32
phl0x81any meego news worth knowing from the CES sofar?23:34
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CosmoHillDawnFoster: on the who's who page, shouldn't the MeeGo Developer's list be in alphabetical order?23:35
DawnFosterCosmoHill: not sure people really use the who's who page for anything23:36
CosmoHillI remember it was the first thing I edited on MeeGo23:36
DawnFosterCosmoHill: I usually look at people's meego.com page: http://meego.com/users/reggie23:37
DawnFosterhe doesn't have irc listed there either23:37
DawnFosterbut you can contact him using the contact form23:37
CosmoHillit does confirm that he is the forum admin tho23:37
DawnFosterthat I am positive about :)23:37
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