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lbtsheesh...00:43
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dm8tbrlbt: btw our guys now even got maemo support in tieto obs to work. I suspect you had your share in this. thanks :)00:44
lbt:)00:44
MohammadAGmeh, ia32 isn't the same as a centrino00:44
* MohammadAG curses PAE, looks for meego-compatible devices00:44
* lbt is just screaming at his machine00:44
lbtAAAARRRRGGGGGG00:44
lbtreading the -dev and -packaging ml00:45
MohammadAGlbt, save your voice, I found screaming doesn't usually help00:45
lbtJaffa: you saw this ...00:45
lbt"we don't want to fill in forms"00:45
Aarddm8tbr: oh, our obs is already usable? :)00:45
dm8tbrAard: usable as in slooowww :)00:46
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dm8tbrAard: it's still the craptacular P4 frankenbox in my cubicle. but it's a start00:46
Aardslow as in obs-slow, or did you mess something up? :)00:46
Aardoh, great, not everything meego-related will build on a p4 :)00:47
dm8tbrAard: I can hook you up with an account if you want to get the 'experience' first hand ;)00:47
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Aardwell, I'd like to test maemo builds, and as I don't think cobs will allow me to... ;)00:48
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lbtmaemo obs will00:54
Aardlbt: does maemo obs do meego builds as well? ;)00:54
lbtyes00:54
lbtbut we've not updated it for a bit00:55
Aardoh, didn't know that. interesting.00:55
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lbtthe OBS install badly needs updating though00:57
lbtcan give you an account if you like00:58
Aardmaemo obs install?01:00
Aardyes please01:00
lbtyes01:00
Aardother people collect christmas cards, I'm collecting obs accounts ;)01:01
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npmIs http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker the right API for accessing the "Tracker System" in Meego?02:11
npm(even though it's Maemo application framework)02:12
npmand is there an equivalent for Meego?02:12
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CosmoHilloh that's right, I have IRC open02:13
npmhttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2010-July/001210.html i guess there's a separate one for meego...02:14
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jonnornpm: what makes you think they are different?02:31
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Termanamorning02:42
CosmoHillhey02:42
CosmoHilldamn you beat me to the greeting02:42
Termana:p02:42
lcukmorning 202:42
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* lcuk drunk lots of Guinness tonight02:48
CosmoHillI'm been banning people left right and centre on the forums I hang out on02:48
lcukeek02:49
lcukthats not christmasy02:50
lcukwas nice in bar i was in02:50
CosmoHillit's like, 25 so far02:50
CosmoHillsince yesterday...02:50
lcukwhat are they saing02:50
lcuky02:50
CosmoHillspam02:50
lbtbed02:50
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CosmoHillyes, I'm in one02:51
lcukspam nn lbt02:52
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npmif anybody has comments on http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/wiki/CitizenJournalismWithYoutubeDirectForMeego please let me know03:56
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pixelgeeknpm - looks great, really well written, clear and understandable.  I'm looking forward to seeing the results :)05:23
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lcukhttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1168808:14
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khertanMorning09:21
Termanamorning khertan09:24
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haoxuI want to try obs on build.pub.meego.com, but I simply cannot register an account. Does anyone know how can I get access to meego build service?09:44
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dm8tbrhaoxu: you need to poke lbt or x-fade about this and also explain why you want it09:59
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haoxuthanks.10:03
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Jaffalbt: No didn't see that.10:06
lbthaoxu: hi .... sure.... what are you planning on doing?10:06
lbtJaffa: I'm gobsmacked at how casual it seems to be10:07
Jaffalbt: Indeed. Presumably that is more of the fuss about providing auditability and trackability for *why* a change is being made?10:08
haoxuFor now I just want to be familiar with the OBS system, so it's not available for public use?10:09
Stskeepslbt, think there is a disconnect in communication somewhere10:09
lbtyes10:09
Stskeeps(that program office doesnt seem too terribly efficient is part of that..)10:10
haoxuSo if I want to try out some meego modules such as QMF, how do I build it without OBS system?10:11
lbthaoxu: the community OBS is for building OSI apps ... just making sure you weren't planning on doing closed stuff10:12
lbtor on trying to rebuild all of meego or something like that10:12
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lbthaoxu: ?10:17
haoxuThank you for answering, but I'm still no sure how to build QMF though.10:17
lbtare you doing opensource development?10:18
lbtStskeeps: how on earth are we supposed to make effective use of QA around the world if these guys thing BZ is a waste of time?10:20
haoxuI'm new to this, not sure I'm right or not, but to build a module like QMF, there's a lot dependency to other packages, OBS seems a good way to deal with that.10:21
lbthaoxu: fairly simple question: are you doing opensource development?10:21
haoxunot yet10:21
lbtso you can't use the community OBS for it10:21
Stskeepslbt: i think there hasnt been a good explanation of the reasons and whys.. keep in mind QA in intel hasnt been terribly strong10:21
lbtStskeeps: hence the title of my email10:22
Macerwow i knocked my head real hard today and man did that suck10:24
haoxuIs it because I'm not a member of opensource project, so I dont10:24
Stskeepshaoxu: basically community OBS is for open source development, everyone can see your source code in there :)10:25
haoxu Is it because I'm not a member of opensource project, so I dont have right to use it, or it's simply not correct to build modules like QMF using OBS?10:25
Stskeepshaoxu: so if you intend to do closed source development on there, its not the right place10:25
lbthaoxu: no, it's not that. We get people trying to build closed code for their company on the OBS. That's not the right thing to do.10:25
Stskeepshaoxu: qmf should be built in obs :)10:25
lbtIf you want to develop code in public with an open license then you can use the OBS10:26
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haoxuOk, I get it, thank you. And if i get some idea on maybe some opensource module of meego, how do I try it out?10:28
Stskeepshaoxu: get srpm from repo.meego.com :)10:28
Stskeepslbt, but basically this conversation can't proceed without program office, releng and QA people coming in and slamming a fist on the table..10:29
Stskeepslbt, current $DATE makes that difficult10:29
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Stskeepslbt, but this whole fea#-submission checklist-qa chain doesn't work with a slow program management :/ there should be a 24hour turnaround on simple sub-fea's10:32
lbtyes10:32
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lbtbut if this communication is happening itrw then we're doomed10:32
lbtand that does appear to be the case10:33
Stskeepsitrw?10:36
kyb3Rmorning10:38
Stskeepslbt, according to some mails it goes on by mailing people directly to push things ahead, which isnt a sign of a sound process..10:38
lbtin the real world10:38
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/Product_Management - came in 1-2 days ago, so maybe things will change10:39
lbtoh great another core person on the same continent10:39
lbtI think there should be a rule that the top 4 people in each area must live in different TZs10:40
lbtand have their phones taken away10:40
Stskeepshehe10:40
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Stskeepsi think there should be a midway between efficient evolvment of distro and release engineering/qa/product management cos process is too damn slow atm :P10:43
Stskeepsand identifying the bottleneck early is important, or 1.2 is screwed10:44
Stskeepsa picture of how everything is glued together is important, cos we only see parts of the whole picture atm10:47
lbt*nod*10:53
lbtit struck me in Dublin that the RE meeting was held in a room before the conference10:53
lbtit should have been streamed10:54
lbtnot locked away10:54
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lbtcommunication is still the biggest issue10:54
lbtand frankly the fragmentation doesn't help10:54
kyb3Rrarely does10:56
lbtJaffa: thanks ... I find eloquence in email really hard10:56
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Jaffalbt: I'm just pontificating, though10:58
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lbtI don't think so :)10:58
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lcuklbt, fragmentation: having the code for meego specific apps in one place (with public merge requests and collaborative features available via gitorious) is good, but then let down drastically by having packaging in a seperate non web linkable collaborative fragmented location is saddening11:02
lcukanyone can easily anonymously get the gitorious stuff and with a bit of will can build the apps themselves11:04
lcukbut they cant generate rpms for them to test install on even their own system without the massive uphillness11:04
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lcukmeego netbook + gcc + some sprinkling of -devel libraries is practically same as a normal linux system and understandable to most hackers out there who will happily fix stuff11:05
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lbtlcuk: I know11:20
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Stskeepshttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 is the gplv3 bug fwiw11:49
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JaffaStskeeps: ta11:56
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Stskeepswhich seems fairly reasonable11:57
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lcukStskeeps, can you really take gpl3 code and include it in gpl2 applications without breaking the license ?12:01
lcukor do patches for backports have to be reimplemented?12:02
lbtlcuk: no you can't - yes they do12:07
lcukroger12:07
* lcuk does like the ]note] section on that bug report though :)12:09
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lcuk[note] even12:09
smokulcuk, IMO you can. GPLv3 is compatible with GPLv2 and you can link this code together. of course imported part have to keep their GPLv3 license, so you wull end up with mixed GPLv2 + GPLv3 code. you will have to distribute both licenses with your software, etc.12:14
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lcuksmoku, read the bug12:16
lcukthat Stskeeps just highlighted12:16
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smokulcuk, I wasn't here at the moment, so I don't have that history12:17
smokuoh joys of irc :)12:17
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smokuwe have fixed that in Jabber ages ago ;-)12:17
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lcuklol12:17
lcukbug 1158912:18
_MeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 enh, Undecided, ---, yan.i.li, ACCE, [FEA] Using GPLv2 variants for base packages12:18
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smokulcuk, and what exactly is the problem with GPLv3?  (the bug does not mention this)12:46
JaffaStskeeps: Yup, that seems like a very sensible bug to do simple reverts of various packages. It should then have a list of affected packages and if any backport-rework is required a more specific bug raisedl12:47
Jaffasmoku: People like Nokia don't like it for products12:47
Jaffasmoku: Especially products which may need a security framework for DRM video content12:47
smokuJaffa, because?12:47
Stskeepssmoku: problem is that there isnt enough legal analysis/case law about the more anti drm things..12:48
smokuanti-patent clauses?12:48
JaffaAnd company lawyers' default position is paranoid12:48
JaffaAnti-Tivoisation stuff too, IIRC12:48
Stskeepsanti security might make IVI difficult as well cos there is very hard regulation12:48
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Stskeepsso, people are a bit 'wary'12:49
smokuoh right.  this is about stuff that prevents "here's the source, but you won't be able to put it on the device anyway because of crypto"? right?12:49
CosmoHillmerry xmas people: http://xkcd.com/12:50
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Stskeepssmoku: except it blocks other things too12:51
Stskeepsit is a complex matter and i cant blame companies of being careful12:52
RST38h<yawn>12:52
RST38hmoo all12:52
smokuyes. understandable.12:52
smokuGPLv3 is very young in company terms.  v2 is a known old beast12:53
Stskeepsso to allow people to adapt meego with less fear, gplv2 is saner :P12:53
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jboshello there12:58
jbosis it possible to run a meegotouch application on meego netbook release12:58
jbosI get strange crashes with theme deamon stuff and dbus12:59
JaffaCosmoHill: :-D13:00
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jonnorjbos: you probably want to install the handset ux and test there13:29
jbosi have a ideapad13:30
jbosso, well but i thought that this just works also on netbook13:31
jbosi mean if not this is really crap. (I try to get firefox mobile, from hg.meego.com) on netbook working13:32
Stskeepsinstall fennec-qt13:32
lcuk?jbos, specifically which applications are oyu installing (apart from ff mobile) ?  any specific limeegotouch apps?13:33
jbossure i could just use plain qt version, but then its missing most of the stuff13:33
jbosnone appart from that yet13:34
lcukjbos, try one of the simpler bugs, try best to diagnose exactly whats missing and file a bug is best advice I can give13:35
lcukone of the simpler apps ^13:35
jbos:D13:35
jbosyes, well seems like the way to go, well at least non of the important stuff is running in netbook release13:35
jboslike meego-im-uiserver13:35
lcuk#you can put the handset UX on the ideapad13:36
jbosthemedeamon13:36
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops13:36
lcukspecifically tailored instructions for ideapad users :)13:36
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jboswell yea. But i actually wanted to explicitly also have it running on netbook. But I see, that is not even useing libmeegotouch?13:38
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lcukjbos, yes13:38
jbosbit confusing, i must say...13:38
lcukthat uses lmt13:38
lcukits possible that after you install those extra packages then your bug will be cured13:39
lcukeven on the netbook ux13:39
jbosok i will check13:39
lcukso may help identify and rectify your issue13:39
jbosthanks and hey merry xmas :)13:41
lcuk\o merry xmas to you, hope it works13:42
jbosah another issue, the wireless does not work on the ideapad13:42
jbosits a S10-3t13:42
lcukyeah13:42
lcuktheres 2 models of wifi cards in them13:42
jbosi assume that there are different hardware versions of the same series13:42
lcukone works with OSS drivers (atheros card afaik)13:43
lcukand theres another which needs other drivers13:43
lcukbut IDK where to get them from, hold on it might already be documented on the wiki13:43
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lcukdid you get your ideapad from meegoconf?13:43
jbosno13:43
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad13:43
lcukwell lots of meego devs did, so happily theres a lot of documentation and tips13:44
lcukand you can expect any niggles to be ironed out asap :)13:44
jboswasn't there, well some of my colleges did get one, but i assume this little dude is one we bought our self. I borrowed it over the holidays13:44
lcukheh13:45
lcukthey are certainly nice machines :)13:45
lcukgreat little sporty convertable13:45
jbosyep i like it. Well i wanted actually to kickoff a little private project (open source) over the holydays... but as always i kept hanging on trying and checking how best to compile and such stuff :)13:47
lcukcool13:48
jbosI don't know but i miss my scratchbox :D13:48
lcukjbos, on the ideapad itself you can of course just ssh into it and pretend its a scratchbox ;)13:49
jboshttps://wiki.mozilla.org/HowToMeegoFennecDraft13:49
jbosjust took fennec/xulrunner as a testcase13:49
jbosto see if stuff works. Well, i mount the image and changeroot with some intel script into it13:50
jbos:D13:50
jbosissue was the images provided (partions on it) are to small to hold the sources13:50
jbosand build data of xulrunner13:51
jbosof course, and thats why i stay first on non arm. ... arm compiling is still a mystery - doing it that way.13:52
jbosyou dont want to compile that monster on an ideapad ;)13:52
lcukyeah once you are happy submit it onto obs and build for all :)13:52
jbosfor handset my colleges already do13:53
jbosi think ;)13:53
lcukheh13:54
jbosduno, its essential to get this running on normal public open source stuff in order to get mozilla working and fixing for meego13:54
jbos(but some people might like qtwebkit more)13:55
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jbosi will take a look on that changing desktops, its surely not very usefull needing that, as i would have expected that libmeegotouch actually works just out of the box in netbook release too14:00
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jbosa bit disapointing.Mostlike it sound that its the best to kick all that meegotouch stuff and use qt only, in order to be really meego compatible.14:02
jbosis there a onscreen keyboard for netbook?14:02
lcukyes14:03
jbosdoes it work like the libmeegotouch one?14:03
jbosor better, is it the same?14:03
lcukahh misread question14:04
lcuknetbook itself doesnt have one OOTB afaik14:05
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jbosmhm ok.14:05
jbosthats all pretty strange, do you know whats the plan with this netbook release, will this become libmeegotouch?14:06
Stskeepsqt/qml eventually prolly14:07
jbosi see so using libmeegotouch is like a dead end. and will only work on handset?14:08
jbosbut not useing it means less good integration into handset (lookalike, consistency)14:09
Stskeeps:nod: agreed - qt quick components will allow integration14:11
lcukwell jbos to answer your first question, no - in my eyes its a bug that lmt applications are not running on netbook14:11
jbosok, i will place some bugs i think against lmt.14:12
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jbosi will first make some simple test apps, otherwise they wont listen ;)14:12
lcukwhatever the future and alternatives and stuff, having lmt running and working is important as you say :)14:12
jbosyep.14:13
lcukthanks jbos if you ping me and highlight any bugs you file along that basis I will vote and try to follow them through14:13
jboshey i started a little blog about meego development, a bit sidetracked of the usual "qtcreator"14:14
jbosits www.jeremias-bosch.de14:14
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jbosIts just one post though ;) next will follow these days. I think this desktop switch is a good topic too14:15
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jbosso, my girlfriend is grabbing me away from the keyboard. Thanks so far and again, happy xmas.14:18
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lcuk\o jbos14:20
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lcuklol @ bug 1168814:50
_MeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 maj, Undecided, ---, markus.lehtonen, NEW, [Trunk : testing] Orientation has wrong direction on N900.14:50
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TermanaMERRY CHRISTMAS!15:48
CosmoHillhey Termana, merry christmas to you too :)15:49
Stskeepsmerry xmas15:49
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TermanaCosmoHill, Stskeeps - doing much for today/tomorrow? (I think it's still tomorrow for the both of you, though I don't exactly know CosmoHill's timezone :p)15:51
Stskeepstoday15:51
CosmoHillit's xmas eve15:51
Termanayeah, anyway doing much for Christmas day? :p15:52
CosmoHillhaving dinner at home with my parents and then going round my uncle's in the evening15:52
TermanaStskeeps, you've flown to somewhere obviously, because in Poland it should still be the 24th shouldn't it? :p15:54
berndhsmerry christmas to everyone15:54
Stskeeps.dk, and we celebrate on 24th15:54
Termanaberndhs, merry christmas15:54
lcukMerry Christmas!!!15:56
TermanaStskeeps, ah ok :p Is that just something your family does specifically or am I just silly and never realised it was celebrated on the 24th there?15:57
Termanalcuk, Merry Christmas :)15:57
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StskeepsTermana: latter15:58
Stskeepsxmas eve15:58
TermanaAh well, no better day than today to learn something new hey? :p16:00
CosmoHilllike how to unwrap a kids present16:01
CosmoHillthe ones that have many wires holding it into the packaging16:01
Termanaheh16:02
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CosmoHillI remember round my cousins one year, it was awesome cos the whole family that lived in town was there16:03
CosmoHillI turned to my cousin at the xmas table and he was wearing a ninjamask16:04
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MindWarper :o16:35
CosmoHillindeed16:36
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MindWarper :'(16:44
* CosmoHill hugs MindWarper 16:45
MindWarperfag16:45
CosmoHillqueer16:45
MindWarper :@16:45
CosmoHillare you trying to eat your keyboard again?16:45
berndhsis FAQ and insult too ?16:46
CosmoHillI watch a program called Game FAQs and they pronounce is "Game Facts"16:47
MindWarper :(16:47
MindWarpergtfo16:47
lcukMindWarper, play nice with the other children.16:48
berndhsmost FAQ authors have never seen a question16:48
CosmoHillberndhs: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt >.>16:49
MindWarperepic fail16:49
RST38hCosmoHill: Better than game-fuck-yous though16:49
CosmoHilldid I mention it was on a kids TV channel?16:49
* lcuk stores up MindWarper's entries for QOTD16:49
lcukCosmoHill, your faw should be on the wiki16:50
CosmoHillRST38h: as long as their first item isn't the wii16:50
lcukand then we can all add things if required16:50
RST38hCosmo: Now, when you mention it...=)16:50
CosmoHilllcuk: I'll tell you what, I'm have a shower and then I'll add it afterwards16:50
CosmoHillRST38h: just now but in the form of a question16:50
lcukawesome :D16:50
MindWarperThe fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of the gun.16:51
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MindWarperFor a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three.16:52
berndhsshooting requires a great deal of self discipline and self control16:53
lcukberndhs, no it doesn't, but to be anywhere near accurate and safe etc..16:55
berndhslcuk:well sure, doing it wrong is usually easy16:55
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MindWarperWe cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.16:57
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berndhsMindWarper: sailing directly downwind is slow, it takes the wind out of your sails16:58
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MindWarperKeep cool and you command everybody.16:59
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MindWarperYou cannot be really first-rate at your work if your work is all you are.17:00
MindWarperKnowledge is power.17:00
MindWarperHowever beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.17:01
MindWarperHuman beings have an inalienable right to invent themselves.17:02
MindWarperThe only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance.17:02
MindWarperCourage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared.17:03
MindWarperFollow your inclinations with due regard to the policeman round the corner.17:03
MindWarperIf you want your life to be more rewarding, you have to change the way you think.17:04
MindWarperToughness doesn't have to come in a pinstriped suit.17:04
MindWarperI must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's.17:05
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MindWarperBe wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk.17:05
MindWarperGivers have to set limits because takers rarely do.17:07
MindWarperIt's funny how dogs and cats know the inside of folks better than other folks do, isn't it?17:07
MindWarperPlease give me some good advice in your next letter. I promise not to follow it.17:08
MindWarperSeek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty.17:08
MindWarperSilence is a text easy to misread.17:09
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MindWarperAlways bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing.17:09
MindWarperBe neither too remote nor too familiar.17:10
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MindWarperWhen you have a number of disagreeable duties to perform, always do the most disagreeable first.17:11
Myrttiright17:11
MindWarperWhen a thing is done, it's done. Don't look back. Look forward to your next objective.17:11
Myrttiis the ramdom quorm17:11
Myrttiquote hour over soon?17:12
MindWarperA friend is a gift you give yourself.17:12
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MindWarperFriends are born, not made.17:13
MindWarperOften the best way to overcome desire is to satisfy it.17:13
MyrttiMindWarper: hi17:13
MindWarperSilence is golden when you can't think of a good answer.17:13
MindWarperYou should not live one way in private, another in public.17:14
Myrttihi, MindWarper17:15
MindWarperI trust that everything happens for a reason, even when we're not wise enough to see it.17:15
CosmoHilltroll?17:15
Myrttiyes17:15
Myrttispouted smileys on another channel earlier in similar fasion17:16
* CosmoHill kicks his computer17:16
MindWarperI've never quite believed that one chance is all I get.17:16
CosmoHillhuh, violence can solve problems17:16
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CosmoHillMindWarper: what is 3 + 3?17:16
MindWarperA weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind.17:17
thiago7, 8...17:17
CosmoHillhe's using correct grammar, he can't be human17:17
MindWarperMan's main task is to give birth to himself.17:17
MindWarperNever regret something that once made you smile.17:17
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CosmoHillcan someone get rid of him?17:18
MindWarperNever regret. If it's good, it's wonderful. If it's bad, it's experience.17:18
MindWarperIt's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy.17:19
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welfgsadkjg17:20
MindWarperI show up. I listen. I try to laugh.17:20
welfgwhat is meego17:20
thiagowelfg: www.meego.com17:20
welfgi wont go there17:20
MindWarperThere is no security on this earth, there is only opportunity.17:21
thiagowelfg: ok17:21
Myrttiwelfg: google is your friend17:21
CosmoHillwelfg: then you'll never know what meego is17:21
MindWarperTo live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong.17:21
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welfgok that is some linux trash17:21
thiagowelfg: try this: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.17:22
thiago_mm_set_epi32 (__Z=-2830136, __Y=-2830136, __X=-2830136, __W=-2830136)17:22
thiagoat C:/MinGW/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/include/emmintri17:22
thiagon.h:60917:22
thiagoaah... wrong clipboard17:22
CosmoHillthiago: firefox get you too?17:22
thiagonever mind, you're a troll17:22
MindWarperIf an idea's worth having once, it's worth having twice.17:22
welfgsomeone advertised of this channel in #freenode17:22
thiagoCosmoHill: no. It was a wrong shortcut. PRIMARY vs CLIPBOARD.17:22
welfgcomplaining of some bot with cooL random quotes17:22
welfgwhere is the spam bot ?17:22
welfghow to receive spam ?17:23
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CosmoHillwelfg: please leave and take your bot with you17:23
MindWarperIt is wise to apply the oil of refined politeness to the mechanisms of friendship.17:24
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Myrttiadvertised? hardly17:24
m4k3rHello. I'm following this guide http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd  to restore my n900. I need to edit my etc/shells file, but I'm unable to type any char except litrals+'<'+'>'.  Any option I can pass to flasher -b to set another kbd layout?17:24
Myrttireported s problem.17:24
MindWarperThere is only one you? Don't you dare change just because you're outnumbered!17:24
welfghow to install meego in WM6.1 phone ?17:25
thiagowelfg: erase WM6.117:25
MindWarperReputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself.17:25
thiagowelfg: then use the flasher tool to install MeeGo17:25
welfgbut phone still has 2 months warranty remaining17:26
welfgwill do after tath17:26
welfg how to use phone's GPS as GPS device for PC ?17:26
welfglike usb-gps17:26
CosmoHillwelfg: go to the phone manufacturer's website for more details17:27
MindWarperIt is when power is wedded to chronic fear that it becomes formidable.17:27
MindWarperAll people want is someone to listen.17:28
smokuMindWarper, could you please stop spamming the #17:28
berndhscan someone turn off MindWarper ?17:28
MindWarperWhoever gossips to you will gossip about you.17:28
CosmoHillStskeeps: ping17:29
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MindWarperThere is nothing like dream to create the future. Utopia to-day, flesh and blood tomorrow.17:31
* CosmoHill pokes jeremiah17:31
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MindWarperA people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.17:33
KB1JWQMindWarper: That'll do.17:34
welfgASIfj17:34
welfgso meego is an OS  ?17:34
MindWarperho you didnt liked that last one did you ?17:34
CosmoHillwelfg: go to meego.com to find out17:34
thiagowelfg: a Linux distribution for embedded devices17:34
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CosmoHillMindWarper: what month were you born in?17:34
MindWarperim sagitarian17:35
thiagoMindWarper: that's not a month17:35
CosmoHillMindWarper: which one is not a number: 1, seven, 28, cake17:36
welfgmeego is google's company/17:36
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thiagono17:36
thiagopretty much as anti-google as it can be17:36
CosmoHillwelfg: if you want answers I suggest you get off your arse and look for them17:36
MindWarperIm not a number17:37
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MindWarpermeego = EPIC FAIL17:37
araujowhy?17:38
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thiagoaraujo: because MindWarper is a troll17:38
thiagoaraujo: don't pay attention17:38
MindWarperim just a fortune teller17:38
araujoI see17:38
thiagoMindWarper: no, you're not. You're just a troll who annoys everyone.17:38
CosmoHillit's a bot with an controller who is probably in the channel watching17:39
CosmoHillwelfg: why are you connected to Freenode's London server when you're IP says your in Australia?17:40
CosmoHillyou're*17:40
thiagoCosmoHill: automatic connection17:40
welfgi saw that in the site17:40
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CosmoHillthere must be a nearer server17:40
thiagoCosmoHill: not if you use automatic rotation17:40
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Fieldydoesn't really matter anyway17:41
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MindWarperall your words are belong to UK17:41
welfgDownload.MeeGo v1.1 for Netbooks (Google Chrome Browser)17:41
welfgThis release requires accepting the Google Chrome end user license agreement (EULA).17:41
welfglooks like made by google17:42
welfgwhatever17:42
thiagoChrome is made by google17:42
thiagoMeeGo isn't17:42
MindWarperits an meego is a chromeOS apetizer17:42
MindWarpermeego is a chromeOS apetizer17:43
MindWarper :p17:43
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MindWarperlukus is a HACKER17:44
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MindWarperpuffin = HACKER17:45
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MindWarperanother one17:45
puffin?17:45
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MindWarperthey are the HACKERS MINIONS17:45
puffin!17:46
CosmoHillpuffin: troll17:46
puffin.17:46
MindWarper :D17:46
CosmoHillMindWarper:, not you17:46
welfgiHaCkEr17:46
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welfgi shut down pufin's puter17:47
MindWarperwhats meegos irc client ?17:47
welfgmirc17:47
MindWarperbullshit17:47
welfg7.1417:48
CosmoHillsomeone please get ride of both of them17:48
MindWarperstfu HACKER17:48
welfgmeego is not irc client17:48
welfgits an OS17:48
welfg.17:48
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MindWarperwel fagot17:48
Stskeepsok, so who wants to be kicked?17:49
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welfgi get bak afte christmas17:49
welfgand17:49
welfgkik Stskeeps:17:49
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MindWarperthey are the HACKERS MINIONS17:50
CosmoHillkick MindWarper17:50
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*** MindWarper was kicked by Stskeeps (please stop spouting random stuff, we have pupnik and CosmoHill for that ;))17:51
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CosmoHill:o17:51
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thiagolol17:51
* CosmoHill is currently creating a FAQ for meego17:51
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RST38hOMG Stskeeps killed the fortune cookie database!!!17:53
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lbtdmahurin: ah, you're back18:04
lbthere's fine for OBS chat18:04
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lbtwhat are you planning on doing? opensource app stuff?18:04
dmahurinok, thanks,18:04
dmahurinI work at nokia18:05
CosmoHillwhat processor does Meego Support, Arm7l?18:05
dmahurini work on meego related stuff18:06
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lbtdmahurin: OK - so the community OBS is for 'personal' development out in the open18:07
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lbtare you after meego core OBS or do you just want to hack on your own apps :)18:07
lbt(or should we be talking internally about the nokia OBS?)18:08
dmahurinI'm just trying to setup obs for testing currently, but I may want to create my own apps at some point ...18:09
araujoCosmoHill, yes18:10
lbtOK - so what's your meego.com acct?18:10
CosmoHillI think it's ARM818:10
dmahurindmahurin18:10
lbt:)18:10
lbtdone18:11
dmahurinthanks18:11
araujoarmv7el18:11
CosmoHillwhat's meego's GUI package manager?18:11
CosmoHillaraujo: thanks18:11
araujozypper18:11
araujoerr18:11
araujogui, not yet I guess18:11
lbtdmahurin: so where in Nokia do you work?18:12
lbtwith ... ?Senthil?18:13
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CosmoHillI'm gonna need someone's help with the wiki in a moment18:20
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CosmoHillI want to create wiki.meego.com/FAQ18:21
CosmoHillbut there's a plan text file there18:21
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CosmoHillhttp://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=FAQ18:26
CosmoHillyay18:26
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CosmoHilllcuk: what do you think?18:27
berndhslooks too professional :P18:27
ali1234too honest too18:28
RST38hCosmo: AFAIK not all Core2s are supported18:28
ali1234notice the weasel words used on the rest of the site where they skirt around the SSSE3 issue18:28
CosmoHillreally?18:28
RST38hThose that do not have SSSE3 are out of luck18:28
ali1234all Core2 has SSSE318:29
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RST38hSure about it? I remember people with Core2 unsuccesfully trying to run Meego18:30
ali1234they probably had nvidia graphics or something18:30
ali1234some really old netbooks had celeron processors, also not supported18:30
CosmoHillRST38h: wikipedia says all Core 2 have SSSE318:31
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CosmoHillali1234: by really old do you mean the PC World xmas sale?18:31
ali1234i mean eeepc 701 old18:31
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CosmoHillhmm, Intel Core doesn't have SSSE3 but Celeron's based on Core do18:34
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ali1234it's just a confusing mess basically18:34
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CosmoHilland VT is pot luck18:35
ali1234yeah18:35
ali1234this is why i buy AMD18:35
CosmoHillthankfully MS removed the VT restriction for XP Mode18:35
ali1234i have no idea what that even means18:35
CosmoHillbasically my copy of Windows 7 came with a free copy of Windows XP Pro, but I couldn't use it because my laptop didn't support VT18:36
ali1234why would you even want that?18:36
CosmoHillbecause I'm a student and VMware are bastards18:37
ali1234why do you need two versions of windows?18:37
xrmxhi, i've just installed meego 1.1 on my aspire one, unfortunately when i try to update the software the updater warns supposedely about some public key that is not valid anymore  (sorry but the error message in italian does not make any sense) and then it is stuck with "refreshing list of software", any hint?18:37
CosmoHillthey won't let you download the latest software directory so you have to download an old version that doesn't support windows 7 and then update it18:38
CosmoHillali1234: the XP is a virtual machine for business users so they can upgrade the main OS but still support old software18:38
ali1234lol, windows 7 isn;t compatible with windows xp?18:38
CosmoHilli mean software that doesn't work with win7 but works with winXP18:38
* araujo wonders how long it might take compiling Qt in the N90018:39
CosmoHillthat reminds me, I'm doing databases next year, I should find out what DB we're gonna be using18:39
CosmoHillaraujo: I heard it took hours and hours...on a Intel Xeon...18:40
DocScrutinizeraraujo: 5 times as long :-D18:40
ali1234it takes about 2 hours on a 3.2ghz quad core18:40
CosmoHillokay, it took hour and hour18:40
ali1234considering the n900 has only 256mb ram, swapping is going to be the killer. i would guess about 3 days?18:41
DocScrutinizerali1234: yep18:41
araujoQt compiles fast in Core i718:41
CosmoHillali1234: quiet literarily, it might kill the microSD card18:41
araujomm...18:41
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DocScrutinizerCosmoHill: nah18:41
CosmoHillali1234: you might be able to help me with this: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5012818:42
ali1234lol intel18:42
DocScrutinizerCosmoHill: those are still amazingly hard on taking write-cycles18:42
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ali1234"i dunno lol"18:42
CosmoHillI killed a 1GB microHD, it's death sounded like the game Asteroids18:43
araujohehe18:43
ali1234my motherboard supposedly has all solid state caps (no electrolytics) - i picked it since all my motherboards in the past have died from bad caps18:43
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CosmoHillcool18:46
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DocScrutinizerali1234: amazing18:48
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DocScrutinizerdidn't know there's such huge X7R or the like18:48
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ali1234you think it's just marketing BS?18:49
DocScrutinizerno no, I'd just be interested in having a look at it and see how it's actually built18:51
CosmoHillhttp://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=15317#post1531718:51
ali1234well, here it is: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=1961318:52
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ali1234those cans look suspiciously like electrolytics though18:52
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CosmoHillali1234: what motherboard manufacturer would you recommend?18:53
ali1234no idea18:53
CosmoHill(or what would you avoid)18:53
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ali1234hmm let's see... i would avoid ... asrock18:53
ali1234anything with via chips on it18:53
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RST38hASUS? Meh.18:57
CosmoHillI've been told that Asrock is Asus's budget range18:57
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CosmoHillhey puffin19:10
puffinhey.19:10
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CosmoHillwtf19:38
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CosmoHillI'm running VLC on my desktop and I've just noticed the logo in the corner has a santa's hat on19:38
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lcukCosmoHill, well tbh he would look equally silly in a bowler hat19:43
lcukif thats date aware easter egg though thats awesome19:43
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lbtIt is with regret we announce the death of Santa Claus.......21:24
lbt..... but if you're going grow a long white beard and live in a grotto then it's only a matter of time until the americans bomb the shit out you21:24
CosmoHilllols21:25
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kyb3Rthere is a lot of wild Santa's in Lapland (according to Rare Exports)21:27
lcuklol lbt21:29
lcukCosmoHill, FAW is awesome beans!21:29
lcukFAQ even21:29
CosmoHill:)21:29
CosmoHillthanks21:29
CosmoHillI added stuff to it from my orginal21:30
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lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=FAQ21:30
lcukwhats up with the wiki btw21:30
lcukreferencing page by direct title asks me to save contents instead of displaying21:30
CosmoHillgo to wiki.meego.com/FAQ21:30
lcukand also when I just edited it and added a question it did same when I clicked save21:30
CosmoHillit tells you where you get get the old and new FAQ for Metawiki21:31
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CosmoHilllcuk: oo good idea, please tell people at the top to add their own questions21:31
CosmoHillthen someone can answer them21:31
CosmoHillor maybe have a section are the bottom of unanswered questions21:31
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diegowshi22:08
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diegowsany meego tablet to recommend? with gps if it's possible. with meego pre-installed or not it's the same for me22:09
villevanyone mined through the gingerbread sources already? I wonder if it has something we could use, like graphic assets or sound effects22:10
befordthere is no meego device at the moment, except for the wetab, which seems to only use meego core and some element from the netbook ux22:13
diegowsups22:16
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sivanganybody has an idea why would ssh create an empty known_hosts file/.23:36
sivang?23:36
sivangso then, a known host will never be treated as known?23:36
mwichmannit doesn't know any hosts?23:36
sivangmwichmann: well, the known_hosts file gets created empty so it has no chance to know them23:37
sivangfor some bewildering reason23:37
mwichmanndunno what "usual"  behavior is, but if it's first time that would seem expected - until you connect successfully23:38
sivangmwichmann: well, yeah, I connceted successfully for 10 times already23:39
mwichmannis there was already a file and it emptied it, then something's definitely broked23:39
sivangmwichmann: but the known_hosts file does not get the pub key of the server in it23:39
sivange..g it remains empty23:39
mwichmannhmpf23:39
mwichmannpossibly permissions, it created a file but can't write to it23:39
sivangI guess, I wonder what changed again23:39
mwichmannor it doesn't think the setup is secure so it doesn't23:40
sivangmwichmann: I guess this came with the last upgrade :-/23:40
mwichmann.ssh it mode 700?23:40
* sivang checks23:40
sivangI think I found the problem23:42
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sivangI symlinked the .ssh directory to a backup dir before reinstalling with 10.1023:42
sivangbut until last upgrade this was never a problem23:43
mwichmannhmmm, shouldn't be a disaster23:43
* sivang is happy got having his i5 for finally working on MeeGo in qemu23:43
sivang*for23:43
sivangwell, couple of them even :)23:43
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mwichmannI've had setups where I've had a multi-boot, each of which wants some unique .file setup stuff23:44
mwichmanna common /home/me has held stuff which doesn't need to be separate, and symlinked to the /home/distro-specific-dir23:44
mwichmannand that's worked23:44
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sivangmwichmann: yes, that along what I did but now it wouldn't use it for some reason23:49
mwichmanngrumble23:51
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sivanghow odd, someone added an ad link onto a wiki page I created on w.f.n.c now this deserves a grumble23:54
* sivang wished there was a forum nokia irc channel with some folks to provide real time support23:56
mwichmannmmmm, it is xmas eve....23:56
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sivangmwichmann: true :)23:57
sivangmwichmann: and if you can celebrate here (not much celebrated here) then you better got out and do it :)23:58
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