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| Vendetta | my moorestown image is working but no touchscreen | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | hum, Folding@home cannot be Built@home because its closed source. | 04:20 |
| lcuk | bah | 04:20 |
| berndhs | that seems strange | 04:21 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, well thats what I thought | 04:22 |
| lcuk | but, turns out its closed http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-OpenSource | 04:22 |
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| berndhs | i wouldn't run it then | 04:23 |
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| Termana | good morning | 07:07 |
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| hidave | where is the qemu nand image for n900? anyone can help | 08:19 |
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| iekku | info: MeeGo QA Test Suite name has been changed to MeeGo Quality Assurance | 08:27 |
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| fish_sticks | is MADDE available for x86_64? | 09:36 |
| fish_sticks | I've only found the shell script for i686.is there one for x86_64? | 09:37 |
| fish_sticks | cannot seem to link my qemu image to the Qt creator | 09:38 |
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| hlzxy | any book about qgit? | 09:51 |
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| fish_sticks | is MADDE available for x86_64?anybody? | 10:05 |
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| Hq` | Might be a bit offtopic for this channel, but maybe lbt or X-Fade could share some advice on how to get OBS building for Maemo? :) | 10:32 |
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| * dm8tbr waves at Hq` :) | 10:35 | |
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| Hq` | I have a "hello world" package with almost no dependencies building ok, but have trouble with Qt | 10:35 |
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| lbt | Hq`: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Fremantle_Setup | 10:36 |
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| adeus | if the "default partion layout" that the meego installer creates defined somewhere? | 10:37 |
| Hq` | lbt: I've done everything described in that wiki I think | 10:37 |
| adeus | if/is | 10:37 |
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| Hq` | lbt: I don't seem to be able to call qmake from debian/rules | 10:38 |
| Hq` | qmake and /usr/bin/qmake both fail with "Command not found" | 10:38 |
| Hq` | libqt4-dev is installed | 10:38 |
| lbt | that's "just" chroot/path issues | 10:38 |
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| lbt | do a local build | 10:39 |
| lbt | and then osc chroot | 10:39 |
| lbt | will put you "in" the chroot to examine | 10:39 |
| Hq` | ok thanks, will try that | 10:40 |
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| adeus | do you have the project.dsc file with that build-depends? | 10:46 |
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| Hq` | yes | 10:47 |
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| adeus | interesting the netbook daily image didn't allow helsinki as my timezone :) | 10:57 |
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| sumanth_ | Hi everybody. I am following the steps @ http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr . i mounted meego image successfully but when i try to sudo zypper dist-upgrade it lists packages to be updated but doesn't download any thing. Can some body help me with this | 11:17 |
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| sumanth_ | I am facing this problem on ubuntu 10.04 machine | 11:24 |
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| Hq` | lbt: /usr/bin/qmake is there, but it cannot be executed at all... I'm assuming it's due to some missing libraries somewhere | 11:59 |
| lbt | error ? | 11:59 |
| Hq` | linux:/# /usr/bin/qmake | 11:59 |
| Hq` | bash: /usr/bin/qmake: No such file or directory | 11:59 |
| Bostik | Hq`: welcome to the wonderful world of MADDE and maemo | 12:00 |
| lbt | hehe | 12:00 |
| Bostik | Hq`: if you trace the symlink jungle, /usr/bin/qmake points to x86-32 binary | 12:00 |
| Bostik | *ALWAYS* | 12:00 |
| Bostik | now assuming you want to build a Qt software inside qemu-arm... say hello to pain | 12:01 |
| Hq` | yeah, I noticed it's an i386 binary even though it's from armel deb package... | 12:01 |
| Bostik | yep | 12:02 |
| Bostik | the Qt devel package is designed to work only for Nokia's specific integration system; and you can't even build a qmake binary in scratchbox either because that one somehow gets versioned symbols that do not exist inside MADDE sysroot | 12:03 |
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| lbt | you didn't say "scratchbox" did you | 12:05 |
| Bostik | yes, I did | 12:05 |
| Bostik | please forgive me | 12:05 |
| lbt | tell me I'm asleep and having nightmares about irc | 12:05 |
| * lbt slaps himself | 12:05 | |
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| Hq` | yeah I'm trying to work with OBS | 12:05 |
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| * lbt suggests we put together an OBS/chroot based solution that actually works ... and focuses on cli | 12:06 | |
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| Bostik | the only way to build a working qmake + tools for maemo-armel builds is to manually build the Qt toolchain parts in qemu-arm with EXACTLY the same options that are passed to build in maemo-build; then copy the binaries over | 12:06 |
| lbt | yep | 12:06 |
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| Hq` | nice... | 12:06 |
| lbt | honestly the Qt guys need to learn the definition of modular | 12:07 |
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| Bostik | and then, if you control your own OBS instance, prepare a .deb package that overrides the qt-dev files AND is forcefully installed at the end of the bootstrap | 12:07 |
| Bostik | we did that | 12:07 |
| Bostik | oh sorryu | 12:07 |
| Bostik | *I* did 90%, coworker did the remaining 10% | 12:07 |
| lbt | let me sanity check | 12:07 |
| lbt | Fremantle? | 12:08 |
| Bostik | took me better part of three weeks to get everything exactly right but the end result is a maemo-specific OBS system that can build native armel binaries | 12:08 |
| sumanth_ | Hi everybody. I am following the steps @ http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr . i mounted meego image successfully but when i try to sudo zypper dist-upgrade it lists packages to be updated but doesn't download any thing. Can some body help me with this | 12:08 |
| Bostik | yes, fremantle | 12:08 |
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| dpb | Is there any other way to compile non-qt packages for meego arm than OBS? | 12:08 |
| lbt | so ... why aren't you part of the community team Bostik ? | 12:08 |
| Bostik | lbt: should I be? | 12:08 |
| lbt | well duh! | 12:09 |
| * lbt gets on his knees | 12:09 | |
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| lbt | we really need to push the maemo guys onto OBS | 12:09 |
| lbt | we'd *really* appreciate the help | 12:09 |
| lbt | did you follow my fremantle bootstrapping guide? | 12:10 |
| Bostik | lbt: I also did something very nasty with the remaining stuff; since you can't build maemo-qt without lots of nokia-proprietary packages, I manually extracted the required package contents from MADDE sysroot and built binary-only override packages that Provide: the required dependency | 12:10 |
| Bostik | no, I figure everything from scratc | 12:10 |
| Hq` | ok, thanks for the info | 12:10 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Fremantle_Setup | 12:10 |
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| Bostik | and I did document the whole process in our work wiki; trust me, the Nokia guys know very well what kind of hoops I jumped through to get the thing running | 12:10 |
| lbt | can you publish it? | 12:11 |
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| Bostik | I can publish the instructions, I believe | 12:11 |
| lbt | OK - we already have maemo obs running | 12:11 |
| lbt | and most of extras builds thee | 12:11 |
| Bostik | but I'll ask the relevant people after saturnalia | 12:11 |
| lbt | but I've not built the cross- part yet | 12:11 |
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| lbt | please talk to X-Fade and I about it | 12:12 |
| lbt | especially if you'd like to help the community side get going | 12:12 |
| lbt | we really need the help | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | lbt: I guess the first thing we should do is upgrade the maemo one to 2.1 | 12:13 |
| Bostik | I have no idea how to pull the cross-build part together for OBS/maemo | 12:13 |
| lbt | true | 12:13 |
| Bostik | it was hard enough to get the native ARM builds up | 12:13 |
| lbt | Bostik: we can work on that too | 12:13 |
| lbt | X-Fade: is Qt still an issue in extras? | 12:13 |
| lbt | on maemo obs | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Somebody packaged a new version. | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Without the i386 binaries in the armel dev package ;) | 12:14 |
| lbt | well, sorry you didn't see my notes earlier Bostik - I had that working last december | 12:14 |
| Bostik | I need a clone() of myself; already too little time for things at work and practically no time at all for personal projects | 12:14 |
| * lbt knows the feeling only too well | 12:14 | |
| lbt | where do you work? | 12:15 |
| Bostik | at Nomovok | 12:15 |
| lbt | ! | 12:15 |
| lbt | didn't realise :) | 12:15 |
| Bostik | some of our other people are probably better known to you ;) | 12:15 |
| lbt | well... I'm trying to get Nomovok to arrange some community stuff | 12:16 |
| lbt | there's a lot of people doing stuff around meego | 12:16 |
| Bostik | indeed | 12:16 |
| Bostik | I'm happy to be one that lot | 12:16 |
| lbt | and it would be nice to have some coordination | 12:16 |
| lbt | nothing 'official' | 12:17 |
| lbt | just a way to make better use of an existing network | 12:17 |
| lbt | right ... I have to go kick BOSS into better shape | 12:17 |
| lbt | bblr | 12:17 |
| lbt | my 8 key is dying | 12:18 |
| Bostik | the people I would think are best suited to coordinate anything like that are overworked :/ | 12:18 |
| lbt | hehe... there was going to be a hint to officially allocate a smidge of community-time too.... | 12:18 |
| lbt | heck... lots of this feeds back into products that are useful on customer jobs | 12:19 |
| lbt | it's investment | 12:19 |
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| Bostik | at least the last project I was in got a blanket permission to publish any and all code modifications directly without $LEGAL getting anywhere near the decision | 12:20 |
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| Bostik | but on the subject of meego... a vbox-VM with 1.1 on btrfs is nothing short of glacial | 12:25 |
| Bostik | it takes more time for a new kernel-devel package to install than it takes for me to upload the tarball and OBS to build it :) | 12:25 |
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| Bostik | (probably the postinst "hardlink -c" which is the worst offender) | 12:31 |
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| halley___ | is 'fathi.boudra@nokia.com' here? | 13:07 |
| veskuh | fabo | 13:07 |
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| spyro | ... | 13:24 |
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| Hq` | X-Fade: is the qt package with armel binaries available somewhere? | 13:29 |
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| X-Fade | Hq`: I think MohammadAG has them. | 13:31 |
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| X-Fade | Hq`: And someone packaged them here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/libqt4-dev-arm/ | 13:32 |
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| Hq` | alright, I'll try that one | 13:34 |
| Hq` | thanks | 13:34 |
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| tzorvas____ | how can i buy an aava? | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | tzorvas____: contact the company | 13:54 |
| tzorvas____ | what is the price of this mobile dev? | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | more than a n900 :) | 13:59 |
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| lcuk | tzorvas____, ask them | 14:00 |
| tzorvas____ | out of office reply i have to wait until 27/12 at least :$ | 14:00 |
| lcuk | lol | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | maybe they also have a time machine so they can retroactively add it to santas sack | 14:00 |
| tzorvas____ | if anyone knows the price for aava please tell it to me :D (if i buy it, it will be my christmas present :P ) | 14:01 |
| CosmoHill | it won't get to you buy christmas | 14:01 |
| CosmoHill | so you might as well wait until monday to contact them :) | 14:01 |
| lcuk | tzorvas____, afaik it comes down as development board price range rather than normal commercial phone | 14:01 |
| tzorvas____ | lcuk: i want it for development purposes :) | 14:02 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.aavamobile.com/ | 14:02 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:02 | |
| CosmoHill | that website wasn't that easy to find | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | tzorvas____: i thought i heard 2000 eur at last | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | (i wish i was kidding) | 14:03 |
| tzorvas____ | CosmoHill: so you can find the price of this mobile @ this website?.. i have sent an email and i am waiting.. | 14:03 |
| tzorvas____ | Stskeeps: if you are right, i am screwed :D | 14:04 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-07-13.log.html#t2010-07-13T08:50:46 | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | tzorvas____: buy a n900, excellent developer device | 14:04 |
| lcuk | agreed and confirmed at least a few months ago, speculative ~$2k | 14:04 |
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| tzorvas____ | Stskeeps: lcuk ok thanks i will go with n900 :P | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | nfc on mobile testing results: too slow for London underground http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/23/oyster_london_nfc/ | 14:15 |
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| aries | Hi, does anybody hit a mic-image-creator error when building the image, the error message is like this: | 16:46 |
| aries | Traceback (most recent call last): | 16:46 |
| aries | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 871, in <module> | 16:46 |
| aries | ret = main() | 16:46 |
| aries | File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 695, in main | 16:46 |
| aries | ...... | 16:46 |
| aries | errread, errwrite) | 16:46 |
| aries | File "/usr/lib/python2.6/subprocess.py", line 1141, in _execute_child | 16:46 |
| aries | raise child_exception | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | please use pastebin.com | 16:46 |
| aries | ok | 16:46 |
| aries | I searched that there is a same problem reported on pastie.org/pastes/1375686 | 16:47 |
| aries | I'm on a 64 bit ubuntu | 16:47 |
| aries | ubuntu 10.10 amd64 | 16:47 |
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| jonnor | aries: please pastebin you exact error | 16:49 |
| aries | ok | 16:49 |
| jonnor | along with the context | 16:49 |
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| aries | http://pastebin.com/SgZC4eFw | 16:51 |
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| jonnor | aries: mic is trying to execute a subprocess, but one of the arguments is a non-existing file (most likely the executable itself) | 16:53 |
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| jonnor | go to File "/usr/bin/mic-image-creator", line 265 and find out what that executable is | 16:54 |
| jonnor | the most likely problem is just that it is not installed | 16:54 |
| aries | ret = subprocess.call(args, preexec_fn = chroot_bootstrap) | 16:54 |
| aries | line 265 | 16:54 |
| jonnor | yes, you need to find the contents of args | 16:55 |
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| jonnor | either manually inspect it, add a "print args" or use a debugger | 16:55 |
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| aries | ok | 16:55 |
| mwichmann | kind of unfriendly of mic to explode, should abort in a more friendly way | 16:57 |
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| aries | but chroot_bootstrap is a function defined like this: | 16:59 |
| aries | def chroot_bootstrap(): | 16:59 |
| aries | """Chroot into bootstrap env""" | 16:59 |
| aries | try: | 16:59 |
| aries | os.chroot(bootstrap) | 16:59 |
| aries | os.chdir("/") | 16:59 |
| aries | except: | 16:59 |
| aries | raise FatalError("Please specify a workable bootstrap env.") | 16:59 |
| Myrtti | for gods sake | 16:59 |
| Myrtti | USE PASTEBIN | 16:59 |
| aries | :(, ok | 17:00 |
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| CosmoHill | if you paste a load of text in IRC we get lag | 17:02 |
| aries | sorry, I'm not familiar with IRC | 17:02 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 17:03 |
| aries | thx | 17:03 |
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| CosmoHill | hey DawnFoster | 17:07 |
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| jonnor | aries: find out the values of bootstrap and args | 17:32 |
| aries | yes | 17:32 |
| aries | http://pastebin.com/9eqLcuaU | 17:33 |
| aries | the args | 17:33 |
| aries | bootstrap: /var/cache/meego-bootstrap | 17:35 |
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| jonnor | aries: I have a suspicion those are not the right args | 17:35 |
| aries | I'm not clear | 17:35 |
| aries | so the .ks file is not right? | 17:36 |
| jonnor | is that the correct directory, the one that contains your chroot? | 17:36 |
| aries | yes | 17:36 |
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| jonnor | aries: the args you pastebinned seems to be the arguments to the program you're running | 17:37 |
| jonnor | not the args to the subprocess it is trying to open | 17:38 |
| jonnor | (it might be the same, I don't actually know) | 17:38 |
| aries | it is the arg of subprocess.call | 17:38 |
| aries | because I print it just near the call | 17:38 |
| jonnor | ok | 17:39 |
| jonnor | then you must make sure that /usr/bin/mic-image-creator exists _inside_ the chroot | 17:39 |
| jonnor | I find it suspicious that there is a lot of unmounting going on just before the error | 17:40 |
| aries | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39754 2010-12-23 23:34 /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/usr/bin/mic-image-creator | 17:40 |
| aries | yes, why it does bind_unmount? | 17:40 |
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| jonnor | I have no idea | 17:41 |
| jonnor | check the other paths in args | 17:41 |
| jonnor | if all exists, consider filing a bugreport | 17:41 |
| aries | ok | 17:42 |
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| mwichmann | anybody know anything about "meego & html5" ?? | 18:36 |
| mwichmann | plans, progress, committments, anything? | 18:36 |
| dneary | mwichmann, That's QML, right? | 18:39 |
| dneary | mwichmann, I've heard that WRT is going to be quietly put out to pasture, and QML is the recommended "rich internet app" framework | 18:39 |
| dneary | Unofficially | 18:39 |
| dneary | But it's all rumours | 18:40 |
| dneary | freeedrich|, Ping? | 18:40 |
| mwichmann | oh, I see, we consider qml to be html5 (shows what I know) | 18:40 |
| dneary | mwichmann, I really don't know much about it. I'm a poor 20th century programmer | 18:40 |
| mwichmann | me too | 18:40 |
| mwichmann | who needs more than C and Python, anyway? :) | 18:41 |
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| khertan | dneary, seems qml is also the recommanded way to build any ui for handset ux | 18:43 |
| khertan | instead of QWidget | 18:43 |
| khertan | which is a shame | 18:43 |
| dneary | khertan, It looks pretty neat alright | 18:43 |
| khertan | dneary, depends on what you call neat :) | 18:44 |
| dneary | khertan, It's pretty much always een recommended to use Designer | 18:44 |
| dneary | And then use .ui files | 18:44 |
| dneary | At least in the Qt world | 18:44 |
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| berndhs | I checked out the trivial QML examples, they seen really brittle, are there verification tools ? QMLint ? | 18:44 |
| khertan | maybe but i see qml as an excuse to not adapt qwidget ui with a proper qstyle for handset | 18:45 |
| dneary | berndhs, Good question | 18:45 |
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| khertan | berndhs, as its just javascript i suppose there is already some lint tools | 18:46 |
| khertan | maybe require some adaptations | 18:46 |
| berndhs | khertan: so you're saying to find them and send the patch to Nokia :) | 18:47 |
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| khertan | berndhs, haha i ven't any interest in qml ... | 18:49 |
| khertan | and i ve already to finish my own project :) | 18:49 |
| berndhs | well sure, I dont have interest either, but there may be no choice at some point | 18:49 |
| khertan | berndhs, the choice to use an other framework | 18:50 |
| khertan | or other plateform | 18:50 |
| khertan | i already switch from gtk to qt for many project | 18:50 |
| berndhs | those are worse | 18:50 |
| khertan | and before from cocoa to gtk :) | 18:50 |
| khertan | ok the major problem of cocoa is that things is running only on apple os | 18:51 |
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| khertan | berndhs, and i waiting to see the widget they will made and if they will fit for all plateform | 18:52 |
| berndhs | yes so apple should stop supporting it :) | 18:52 |
| berndhs | but thats not really the point | 18:52 |
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| khertan | as the main problem i see with qml except that it s crappy javascript, is for the moment to have a "native" UI you must made one interface for each targetted device | 18:53 |
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| berndhs | i'm just saying that dynamically created interpreted code needs verification | 18:53 |
| khertan | berndhs, as python, or every language :) | 18:53 |
| berndhs | can't just say that the dynamically created code should be tested, that's not realistic | 18:54 |
| khertan | i agree | 18:54 |
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| berndhs | static checking is very valuable | 18:54 |
| khertan | but my point of view is that if there isn't, maybe dev will not adopt qml, and then will disapear :) | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: I don't diagree but the professional software industry's already big on proper TDD. I still like my static types and compiler checking tho' | 18:55 |
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| berndhs | true, but the professional software industry also realease some horrible products | 18:56 |
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| mwichmann | hey, it uses java (ducks and hides) | 18:56 |
| op_amp | Hi, i was developing an app which will require to access dictonary/synonyms. Is there any open source dictonay database? | 18:56 |
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| op_amp | i am unable to find one. | 18:56 |
| khertan | there is open source dictionnary databases ... but not free :) | 18:57 |
| berndhs | maybe I should ask in #qt-labs for the qmlint | 18:58 |
| berndhs | after xmas | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | mwichmann: Yes, damn us with our billions of dollars of revenue a year. | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: FLOSS s/w can be pretty crappy too ;-) | 18:59 |
| berndhs | Jaffa: getting paid doesn't make one a professonal :P | 19:00 |
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| GAN900 | A master craftsman can make a beautiful work of art from the cheapest tools, and the rankest amateur may make a block of crap with the finest. | 19:08 |
| berndhs | GAN900: true, but in the marketplace, quantity has a quality all its own | 19:09 |
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| op_amp | khertan: Ohk. can you suggest any paid one? | 19:13 |
| khertan | just some french one | 19:13 |
| khertan | sorry | 19:13 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, capacitive. | 19:16 |
| op_amp | ok.. no problem. thanks for help ;0 | 19:16 |
| op_amp | :) | 19:16 |
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| GAN900 | Some poor girl here just dropped here HTC 3 feet to the floor and turned it into a spiderweb. | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, ping | 19:18 |
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| jeremiah | Has anyone tried the MeeGO scripts to build the kernel for ARM? | 19:21 |
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| jeremiah | The build_kernel.sh script does not create a uImage | 19:22 |
| jeremiah | And should problably exit with an error. | 19:23 |
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| zecke | lbt: ping | 19:26 |
| lcuk | oi MohammadAG | 19:32 |
| lcuk | or even alterego | 19:32 |
| * MohammadAG scratches head (?) | 19:32 | |
| lcuk | does qml work OOTB on maemo | 19:32 |
| lcuk | and another question specifically for MohammadAG - uboot, how simple is it working and how safe is it to get it installed | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, with PR1.3 afaik, it does | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, very simple, and very safe | 19:33 |
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| MohammadAG | though ali1234 and DocScrutinizer know more :) | 19:33 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, is it documented with a nice writeup about installation and gotchas? | 19:34 |
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| MohammadAG | If you're on the stock PR1.3 kernel, just get uboot-pr13, for kernel-power 46, get uboot-power | 19:35 |
| lbt | zecke: pong | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | works absolutely nice | 19:35 |
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| andyross | Um... gitorious.org lost its DNS registration? WTF? | 19:36 |
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| khertan | andyross, :) | 19:38 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, hmm | 19:38 |
| lcuk | i dont like irc instructions that start with "just get" it does not help internet searching or wiki documentation | 19:38 |
| lcuk | and what prevents someone with normal kernel from getting uboot-power? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | and what happens if they do? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | (or vice versa) | 19:39 |
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| berndhs | andyross: there was a leak, and the registrar got nervous | 19:40 |
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| andyross | A leak? | 19:40 |
| berndhs | oh nevermind | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | andyross: really? | 19:42 |
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| berndhs | Stskeeps: yes it says DNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy | 19:43 |
| andyross | "DNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy". Doesn't look like a defacement, all my repos are failing to pull too... | 19:43 |
| lbt | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois/?tool_id=66&token=&toolhandler_redirect=0&ip=gitorious.org | 19:44 |
| lbt | Expiration Date:30-Dec-2011 14:37:06 UTC | 19:44 |
| andyross | A mistake then? Ouch. | 19:45 |
| lbt | so it looks like a DNS Made Easy screwup | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, well, since I'm the one who uploaded uboot-power, I can say installing it over stock kernel would simply install kernel-power along with it, no harm done | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | as for uboot-pr13, I don't know if it checks | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | but eitherway, the modules should exist for uboot-pr13 | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | as for docs, http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ :) | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, "no harm done" | 19:50 |
| lcuk | people dont want to flip change kernels when unneeded? | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, sadly, they do, but this doesn't cause bricks/problems does it | 19:52 |
| lcuk | idk, it does cause things to stop working though doesnt it? | 19:52 |
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| MohammadAG | nope, shouldn't | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | if only maemo had dkms :/ | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo's starting to rock :D | 19:53 |
| lcuk | indeed it is :) | 19:53 |
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| zecke | lbt: is the info in the wiki still correct and you can create accounts to build.meego.com? | 20:02 |
| lbt | build.pub.meego.com ... community one | 20:02 |
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| zecke | lbt: okay. can one access the packages available on the non-community build.meego.com? | 20:06 |
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| lbt | mmm I think anonymous browsing is open now | 20:06 |
| zecke | lbt: my aim right now is to have access to the stuff that is mentioned on meego-commits, then look at the build log.. maybe attempt recompiling the packages with frame pointers or such... | 20:08 |
| lbt | so you're looking at rebuilding meego ? | 20:09 |
| zecke | lbt: I am looking for the build logs first, but yes.. maybe want to recompile some parts/all | 20:10 |
| lbt | OK ... so I'm all for doing that.... but :) | 20:10 |
| lbt | doing it on the community OBS means it has to be a community project | 20:10 |
| berndhs | lbt: fyi, still gives 401 Unauthorized access | 20:11 |
| lbt | so it should have a clear goal and shouldn't just be a personal cpu-burning playground :) | 20:11 |
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| lbt | I think there's a port it to armv5el one | 20:11 |
| zecke | berndhs: I created an account.. it failed.. but now it recognized me and I can browse packages on build.meego.com | 20:12 |
| berndhs | aha | 20:12 |
| lbt | and of course, we want to see a non-ssssssse3 solution | 20:12 |
| jeremiah | Missing an s | 20:12 |
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| zecke | lbt: well, the first goal is purely private... figuring out how easy the MeeGo distro can be forked (in case Intel/Nokia lose the interest). Having access to the packages is crucial... this seems to be there now (need to see how to use the obs cli now.. never did that before) | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | zecke: srpms are fetchable | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | == obs package contents | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | very forkable | 20:14 |
| zecke | lbt: the other is more useful. I want to add oprofile packages (community) and to be useful for arm i need to recompile with framepointers | 20:14 |
| zecke | Stskeeps: besides that OBS should have package history | 20:14 |
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| lbt | and of course, enabling your account is a given :) | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | zecke: agreed, but they are working on anon access.. | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | still, in terms of forking | 20:15 |
| lbt | zecke: done ... so building oprofile etc... please do .... but please be polite and don't try rebuilding meego in your home area :) | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | zecke: #meego-arm for meego arm stuff too :) | 20:17 |
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| zecke | lbt: (rebuild) sure. this is why I wondered if I have access to the 'source' (with history) of OBS. Then I could build myself (and wait) | 20:17 |
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| zecke | is OBS building natively for ARM? | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | zecke: uses a qemu binary emul chroot with cross compilers dumped in | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | works quite nicely | 20:18 |
| sivu | native compilers you mean | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | 'native' as in x86 to arm | 20:19 |
| sivu | hm | 20:19 |
| zecke | Stskeeps: that is that mic2-chroot? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | zecke: no | 20:20 |
| sivu | i thought obs uses arm binaries | 20:20 |
| zecke | thanks | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | sivu: it does, but we dump in x86 binaries to accelerate some things that is bloody slow in emul | 20:23 |
| sivu | ah, yes | 20:24 |
| sivu | i was thinking about obs in general | 20:24 |
| sivu | btw, ssd disks for the workers speed up building quite nicely :) | 20:24 |
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| TomaszD | does the 1.2 branch now include the new sgx driver for the n900? | 20:51 |
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| Tumi_ | you mean the same drivers as in latest maemo5? | 20:57 |
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| Tumi_ | I guess obs itself does not restrict to any arhictecture | 20:58 |
| sivu | no | 20:58 |
| Tumi_ | oh, sorry wrong channel =) | 20:58 |
| lcuk | TomaszD, the vsync/tearing/graphics driver patches are being polished and reviewed at the moment prior to integration afaik | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | which handsetish devices does meego run on which have hardware keyboard | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | N900 :P | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | which handsetish devices could meego run on which have hardware keyboard | 21:27 |
| lcuk | would it run on OQO? | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OQO#OQO_Model_Specifications | 21:32 |
| lcuk | the O2+ seems to not have gone into production which would have certainly been feasible, but what about the others? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | poutsi, >>> #meego-bar | 21:44 |
| villev | so what's up with GPL3 being rejected (on meego-packaging ml)? | 21:44 |
| villev | does this really mean we will have some crufty old gcc? | 21:45 |
| thiago | we're already using gcc 4.5 | 21:45 |
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| villev | thiago: but, are we now going to revert to an older version? | 21:45 |
| thiago | that would be stupid | 21:46 |
| thiago | plainly stupid | 21:46 |
| villev | exactly | 21:46 |
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| thiago | not even apple does that | 21:46 |
| thiago | they wrote a new compiler instead | 21:46 |
| thiago | anyway, the toolchain isn't shipped on-device | 21:46 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough, thiago can you have one knocked up by time we get back in new year? | 21:47 |
| thiago | GPLv3 "avoidance" is only for on-device material | 21:47 |
| lcuk | why is there avoidance though? | 21:47 |
| * lcuk should read ML but mail client is so far away | 21:47 | |
| lcuk | does qt have its own compiler built in? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | i know it has at least js one | 21:48 |
| villev | ok, so we will have the choice of "modern gcc" on build infra, no gcc at all on-device. that would be ok | 21:48 |
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| villev | and modern gcc available in some "I don't care" repository for devices (esp. netbooks) as well ;-) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | thiago, gcc is available directly from official mirror though and can be a dependency of any app? | 21:49 |
| villev | lcuk: gpl3 is unpopular because it may or may not be incompatible with some platsec stuff | 21:49 |
| villev | but for compiler, that won't matter | 21:49 |
| lcuk | hm | 21:50 |
| lcuk | platsec for meegocom open system? | 21:50 |
| villev | yes, it's supposed to have platsec as well | 21:50 |
| villev | as said on mailing list, drm is must at least for tv setup. and it's needed for phones as well | 21:51 |
| villev | though I don't think 1.2 has this "controlled" boot sequence yet | 21:51 |
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| thiago | lcuk: but it's not on-device | 21:52 |
| villev | anyhow, stuff in meego that gous on devices has to be compatible with platsec as well, otherwise people would be forking it | 21:52 |
| thiago | the problem with on-device stuff is platsec, DRM, installations, etc. | 21:52 |
| thiago | some ODMs will not like you replacing their OS installation | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | villev: usually gcc isnt shipped as part of device so 4.5 is fine | 21:53 |
| lcuk | are there any killer apps using gpl3 yet? | 21:53 |
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| villev | ok, thanks for the heads up Stskeeps | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: bash, coreutils ;) | 21:54 |
| thiago | no, just a couple of killer libs | 21:54 |
| thiago | like libsmbclient | 21:54 |
| thiago | it was the biggest stressor for KDE some 3 years ago, before Qt went GPLv3 | 21:54 |
| lcuk | so qt is gpl3? | 21:54 |
| thiago | lgplv2.1 and gplv3 | 21:55 |
| thiago | and commercial | 21:55 |
| villev | lcuk: there is some bloggage about meego platsec: https://www.nixuopen.org/blog/2010/11/developing-for-meego-part-2/ | 21:55 |
| lcuk | what if an app were released as gpl3 and was then published to app store? | 21:55 |
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| thiago | lcuk: that implies that the app store accepted GPLv3 | 21:55 |
| villev | and, drm is not mandatory in app stores | 21:56 |
| thiago | depends on the app store | 21:56 |
| thiago | anyway, gplv3 software that you can install from 3rdparties means you can always replace it | 21:56 |
| villev | ok, it might be in apple one | 21:56 |
| thiago | so the "installation instructions" clause of GPLv3 is not a problem | 21:57 |
| thiago | the problem, like I said, is about what comes on-device and may not be replaceable | 21:57 |
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| villev | is "parallel installation" ok for replacement? | 21:58 |
| villev | in gpl3 sense. I mean, if there is "system" bash that can't be replaced but you can compile and install your own bash, is it a problem? | 21:58 |
| thiago | I'd have to re-read it, but considering its intent (TiVo), I doubt it | 21:59 |
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| lcuk | thiago, technically since the qt components are multi license, is the license implicitely written into the written binary to indicate and allow somebody to know which is in use? | 22:07 |
| lcuk | (or onto the disk at the required location) | 22:07 |
| thiago | the question is: "do you accept the LGPLv2.1 or GPLv3" | 22:08 |
| thiago | you can tell if the answer was "yes" or "no" | 22:08 |
| thiago | not which | 22:08 |
| lcuk | quistion to end user? | 22:08 |
| thiago | it's an "or" question | 22:08 |
| lcuk | question even | 22:08 |
| thiago | no | 22:09 |
| lcuk | so how could someone who picks up the device know which variation is in use? | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | considering if they did a binary diff with the gpl3 version it would come out the same | 22:09 |
| thiago | you can use "strings" to find out if the license accepted was one of the two Open Source ones | 22:10 |
| thiago | not which one | 22:10 |
| lcuk | right, so there is a difference in specific location on disk? | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | or will "strings" display "this is lgplv2 or gpl3" | 22:10 |
| lcuk | implying the question is still open | 22:11 |
| thiago | it will display "OpenSource" | 22:11 |
| lcuk | they are both open source? | 22:11 |
| thiago | lgpl and gpl are open source | 22:13 |
| lcuk | hence your answer does not indicate which license is the primary one in use | 22:13 |
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| shikamaru_ | hello | 22:24 |
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| shikamaru_ | just installed meego on my laptop, that’s impressive how fast it boots (3 sec on my intel ssd) \o/ | 22:44 |
| shikamaru_ | how guys did you do that | 22:44 |
| shikamaru_ | it seems slower to get past the bios part | 22:44 |
| javispedro | what ssd, btw? | 22:45 |
| javispedro | model? | 22:45 |
| shikamaru_ | intel x25-m afaik | 22:45 |
| javispedro | that's nice | 22:45 |
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| javispedro | I should try the cheap one someday :) | 22:45 |
| shikamaru_ | I wonder if btrfs is responsible for this | 22:46 |
| shikamaru_ | even with systemd my mandriva needs 10s (which is already nice) | 22:46 |
| javispedro | the key is not to load stuff | 22:46 |
| jonnor | shikamaru_: it is not one single thing that does this | 22:46 |
| jonnor | and systemd will not automagically speed up boot | 22:47 |
| javispedro | not newfangled init systems. if you only have one or two daemons to load, no need for anything more complex than sysvinit | 22:47 |
| shikamaru_ | well, I’m using awesome as window manager, not a heavy thing like gnome or kde | 22:47 |
| jonnor | (if its using all the same init scripts and stuff, it will tend to be slightly slower) | 22:47 |
| shikamaru_ | yes, everything’s not migrated to systemd but still, that’s incredible stuff :) | 22:48 |
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| jonnor | hmm, I did not know Mandriva shipped with systemd.. got info on this | 22:48 |
| jonnor | ? | 22:48 |
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| shikamaru_ | jonnor: well, it’s available in cooker since about two or three months :) | 22:48 |
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| shikamaru_ | anyway, it seems like I couldn’t sync meego with itself (on the n900) :) | 22:50 |
| shikamaru_ | from the UI it looks like syncevolution right ? | 22:50 |
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| shikamaru_ | (doesn’t work with maemo either, but well, it has never worked over bluetooth for me :/, only syncml-ds-tool over usb) | 22:51 |
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