IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2010-12-16

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tommaalterego, there is remote compiler for qt-creator to compiler for symbian or maemo without sdk00:04
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alteregoI know00:05
daggerany idea where can I get md5_shaX-obsd-201011.tar.gz?00:05
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ali1234MohammadAG: you don't need OBS to do kernel builds, it's one of the easiest things to cross compile00:31
ali1234you don't even need a full toolchain00:31
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MohammadAGI need rpm support to get a proper patch set, I'm not sure who thought of that system for distributing patches00:32
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ali1234i don't even understand what that means00:33
ali1234a patch set is just... a set of patches00:33
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alteregoAnd an rpm is just an archive00:34
alteregoYou can decompress with cpio00:34
ali1234exactly00:34
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ali1234uncompress rpm, apply on your local git repo, git format-patch, send result to mailing list00:34
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MohammadAGI can't find an rpm archive, I need to make one00:35
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ali1234well, this is why i hate packaging00:36
ali1234it always ends up being much harder than actually writing the program in the first place00:36
* MohammadAG hates RPM00:36
alteregoMy build of meego-handset-video isn't outputting debug information -_-00:37
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* leinir finds it odd that people can find enough emotion to hate a collection of metadata combined with a data archive...00:39
leiniri dislike .deb, but hate? That's a bit of a strong term to use for that sort of thing :)00:39
alteregoThey're all bloody annoying :)00:42
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arjanMohammadAG: fwiw the meego kernel package is also just a quilt patch series00:44
MohammadAGleinir, k, I dislike RPM ;)00:45
MohammadAGarjan, are we looking at the same sources?00:45
* MohammadAG cloned meego-os-base-kernel-source00:46
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alteregoSo, how do you make core apps output their qDebug() stuff?00:50
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alteregoOh, you're kidding ..00:55
MohammadAGcompile with DEBUG=1?00:55
alteregoTried that :P00:55
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lardmanalterego: try s/NO/ in these definitions: QT_NO_WARNING_OUTPUT QT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUT00:57
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lardmandefines even, too late00:58
alterego;)00:58
timeless_mbphelp00:58
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timeless_mbpthere was a meego meeting where hard fp was approved, right?00:58
alteregoYes,00:59
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timeless_mbpgot a useful url?00:59
timeless_mbphttp://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Toolchains/Meetings/Notes2010111900:59
timeless_mbpsays "Status"00:59
timeless_mbpwhich is useless :)00:59
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alteregoHeh01:00
alteregoDunno, Stskeeps is the man that seems to do/know everything in regards to that :)01:00
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alteregolardman: no joy01:03
lardmanalterego: hmm01:04
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lardmanQT_DEBUG ?01:04
alteregoTried that too01:04
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lardmanI don't know then sorry01:05
timeless_mbphttp://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-12-01-20.02.html is what i found01:07
alteregoHeh01:07
alterego-output-level debug01:07
timeless_mbpbut the fact that there aren't good links for this does not make me happy01:07
alteregoNeed to call your apps with that -_-01:07
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alteregoProbably because of MApplication and some other bullshit (aka magick).01:09
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alteregoWow, this app looks really broken :D01:11
arjanMohammadAG: if you're talking abuot the meego kernel yeah then very likely we're looking at the same stuff01:12
MohammadAGarjan, so do I just apply all patches in kernel-n900.spec?01:13
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timeless_mbparjan: something needs to be done about the way these pages work01:20
timeless_mbpit's way too hard for me to find content that i know exists01:20
timeless_mbpit should be dead simple for me to be able to tell someone that meego 1.2 will use hard fp01:20
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timeless_mbp(by telling, i mean browsing/searching to find the official page that talks about it and has an item linking to the decision)01:21
lardmanI'll agree there, also rather hard to find e.g. flashing instructions for the N900 or how to setup the image builder01:21
timeless_mbp(and all work leading up to a decision should really link to the decision so that people who have old links can find it)01:21
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MohammadAGfinally got the kernel compiled03:01
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Jay_BEEhi.05:37
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befordhello.06:19
befordHow can I hide the mouse cursor on MeeGo Handset?06:19
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Jay_BEEmy understanding is that it is only briefly displayed during startup06:23
befordit seems to be always visible for me06:26
Jay_BEEand this is running on a N900?06:27
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befordnop, netbook/tablet06:37
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Jay_BEEnice... google tells me there are some ways people generally do this in linux06:43
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Jay_BEEbeford: this may be related  http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13548&highlight=mouse+cursor#post1354806:54
befordthanks let me see06:55
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JunJihello08:24
Bostikmorning08:24
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JunJiI'm trying to compile the latest release src rpms as armv5 on my own OBS. It's working well with single rpms (w/o dependency). But not for the whole src rpms, 82 rpms are going to 'unresolvable', 2 for broken, 44 for excluded and it's repeating to start over again after 8 of succeeded rpms. Anybody has tried this work??08:30
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Bostikthose which are unresolvable should display a "nothing provides FOO" message for each missing dependency; resolve those by adding the required packages to repo and you're set08:33
StskeepsJunJi: you're pretty much doing a bootstrap as we moved on to a new compiler, so starting over is OK08:35
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JunJihmm.. but when I type dmesg, it's saying that I had a few of segfault and the times are very similar to the points it restarted.08:38
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Stskeepsgot things set up properly, like vdso disabled etc?08:39
JunJiStskeeps: you mean that the starting over is generally happening to finish this work??08:39
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Stskeepsyes, it's normal08:39
dfhsd.08:39
JunJiaha..08:39
Stskeepsthere's a build cycle at some base packages, we saw that when porting to hardfp08:39
dfhsdI've got Androis but prefer Debian.08:40
JunJiok,, so it's building same things again and again when it needs08:40
dfhsdWhere's the howto for Dell Streak08:40
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JunJithen, how many starting over does it need? do you remember??08:41
StskeepsJunJi: basically it's triggering a rebuild if the package changed to those that depends on it08:41
JunJiyes, that's right but I'm afraid that the rpm is 1138 and if that means it will restart 1138 times..08:42
StskeepsJunJi: it'll take a bit, let it chew - a rebuild for armv5 isn't a fast process initially :)08:42
JunJiright. very slow in my virtual box08:42
Stskeepsit isn't very fast on real hardware either :)08:42
JunJiso could I just ignore the segfault messages from the dmesg and have more patient until it gets done?08:43
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slonopotamus*hint* ccache *hint* distcc/icecream08:43
StskeepsJunJi: pretty much - what kind of segfault messagesa re you getting?08:43
Bostikqt for armv7 takes around 80h in single worker :)08:44
JunJireadelf[xxxx] : segfault at llcf ip b76bbf09 sp bfffdlac error 4 in libc-2.11.90.so[b87xxx-xxx]08:44
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Bostik(and something like 9h on mx51, iirc)08:44
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StskeepsJunJi: what kind of processor are your compiling on?08:45
JunJijust an usual intel x86 process :)08:45
StskeepsSSSE3 or non-SSSE3?08:46
JunJiSSSE308:46
JunJiit's a kind of new08:46
Stskeepsok08:46
Stskeepsbrb breakfast08:47
dfhsdHow governments behave is controlled by the people. They're scared as shitless. As ever in histrory. The most powerfull are being killed.08:48
Stskeepsdfhsd: please keep politics out of here, this is a work channel08:48
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JunJiso while it's rebuilding rpms, the things in the 'unresolvable' or 'broken', 'excluded' are supposed to be corrected, is it right? because the source rpm from the meego mirrors shouldn't have any missing dependency problems.08:49
Stskeepsit'll be corrected over time08:50
Stskeepsbroken is usually a problem though08:50
Stskeepsexcluded is OK08:50
JunJiawesome thank you so much for your help always, Stskeeps.08:50
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Stskeepsnow i need some more coffee08:51
Stskeeps:P08:51
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dfhsdAN AUSTRALIAN online electronics retailer has launched what he calls the business world's answer to WikiLeaks.09:05
dfhsdThe site, Tradeleaks.com, allows internet users to post documents and tip-offs about dodgy business practices anonymously.09:05
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pundiramitHow to go for a meego community OBS account?09:05
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JunJias far as I know we should talk to lbt, x-fade but I coudln't have a chance so far09:06
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*** dfhsd was kicked by Stskeeps (please keep politics out of this channel as i told you - people work here from all over the world.)09:07
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JunJiI talked about the obs in private level. (there are two meego obs I guess) :)09:07
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JunJiAs all we know, meego can be for phone, netbook, tv, vehicle.. etc, which area do you think MeeGo will be competitive?09:30
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jgrrall of them! :)09:30
JunJisure I hope too :) but the most competitive?09:31
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JunJiI'm only working for phones so wondering other areas09:32
Stskeepsi think it's a pretty compelling phone platform too, or even tablet09:33
JunJiI like the nScreen concept so really hope MeeGo to get the tv, vehicles first before google expands Android for them.. (or by other platform..)09:35
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StskeepsQML should make tv interfaces really easy to make at least09:36
JunJiagree09:36
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Stskeepsi've seem really shameful user interfaces on high end stb's09:36
JunJiwhat's the stb?09:37
poutsiI've yet to see a good ui on any set-top box09:37
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Stskeepsset top boxes09:37
Stskeepsor media centres, for that sake09:37
poutsiI've been trying to be doubleplusgood so the wife would agree to me rolling my own once the current dvr dies09:38
JunJireally true.. I used a number of set top boxes during many countries but all they were really confusing, slow09:39
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beforddoes the Encript data option require the /home to be on a different partition?09:43
beford(during the firstboot execution)09:43
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r2evfuck you bitches meego sucks big time10:48
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Stskeepsr2ev: so what don't you like about it?10:49
Stskeeps:P10:49
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Stskeepsr2ev: so what don't you like about it?10:50
r2evsorry for the previous update, it was a spam by one of my friends.10:50
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Stskeepsriight10:50
Stskeeps:P10:50
r2evStskeeps: :)10:51
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chris81Hello @all11:02
Stskeepshello11:02
Joppeffsyo11:02
chris81I love Meego, except that my 3g modem does not work11:02
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chris81I notice that there is already an /dev/ttyACM0 device. So the meego kernel already finds my 3g modem.11:04
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chris81but connman/ofono does not recognice it11:04
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chris81May someone help me11:06
chris81I found /lib/udev/rules.d/97-ofono.rules11:06
chris81But I don"t know how to edit it correctly11:06
Stskeepschris81: trying your luck on forums might work11:06
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chris81http://ofono.org/community tells me to use #ofono or ofono@ofono.org11:07
chris81maybe I should use the meego forum11:08
Stskeepsforum.meego.com possibly too11:08
Stskeepsbe sure to give enough info11:08
Sagechris81: what 3g modem?11:08
chris81The Internal one of my netbook Samsung NC1011:08
chris81lsusb tells me ID 04e8:677311:09
chris8197-ofono.rules does not list it.11:10
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chris81Its manufactor is apparently Samsung itself11:11
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* Sage tries to find the ofono.rules file from ofono git11:11
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chris81I already installed the latest release of ofono/connman11:12
chris81I doubt that in git there is an rulkes that fits but I"ll try it11:13
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SageATTRS{idVendor}="04e8" ATTRS{idProduct}="6773" ENV{OFONO_DRIVER}="at" <- maybe this?11:13
Sageadding that to the ofono.rules that is11:14
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chris81Wow11:14
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chris81I tried11:15
chris81I try it now11:15
rob_w_so whats the way to get any os runnig the gma500 sort of fine ???11:15
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chris81Does I matter where I add the rule?11:16
SageI would add that to then end but I guess not.11:16
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chris81Because there are those labels und some sort of goto-commands11:16
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chris81I yesterday I tried editing the ofono.rules, but I didn"t knew the correct driver I used mbm or atgen11:19
Sagewell atgen or at or what ever it is is the generic one11:20
Sagethen there are some vendor specific drivers11:20
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Sageon worst case the modem in your nc10 requires a new driver implementation :/11:21
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chris81"at" seems wrong now the whole connman does not see any device11:22
chris81As far as I know nc10 modem speaks AT except for two commands or so11:23
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chris81do you know where I can get a list of all drivers names?11:31
SageAFAIK these are those, not sure about the exact names though: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=tree;f=drivers;h=f144f1256d8a082fb5d3474f2b6abe9e80c2db4f;hb=HEAD11:32
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RST38h\11:35
jonnorchris81: you did reload the udev rules and replug the device after the change?11:38
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chris81I rebooted11:38
chris81I switch off and on11:39
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jonnorok11:40
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jonnorI'd consider taking this to a ofono mailinglist then11:41
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lassemonCan anyone tell me how to catch orientation change with Qt when you turn a MeeGo handset?12:04
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jlnvgrade: I see you have done work on getting Meego on GMA500, but the Wiki i found doesn't work after Meego droppede the EMGD drivers.12:42
jlnvgrade: Trying to boot any Meego kernel from my system just hangs Redboot straight away..12:43
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jlnvgrade: Thought you might be able to help?12:45
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chris81Hello @all13:00
chris81I want to activate my modem with ofono13:01
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chris81I just managed to see my modem see listed by the ofono script list-modem but connman does not seem to find it13:02
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bubbleanyone here?14:35
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Venemoyeah14:36
VenemoI'm here14:36
Myrttijust about14:36
kyb3Rbarely14:38
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gnugrhi everyone, i've a mobile LGS290, can i install meego OS?15:01
lcukgnugr, flip it around15:03
lcukhave you looked to see if its listed on the devices list?15:03
lcukhave you any idea why it should work?  heard rumours from others about it etc?15:03
gnugrshow me where15:03
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Devices15:04
lcukfirstly15:04
gnugrokay m8 ty15:04
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tekojotimeless_mbp: ping15:44
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timeless_mbppong15:44
* timeless_mbp grumbles15:44
timeless_mbpthey banned me?15:44
leinir"they"?15:45
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tekojotimeless_mbp: looks like chanser is set up wrong there15:45
timeless_mbpleinir: tekojo knows15:45
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leinirright :)15:46
tekojoanyway, to get mxr in you need to open a bug at http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=General%20Requests15:46
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tekojoand describe the need15:46
X-Fademore what you need exactly..15:46
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X-FadeDisk space, typical load are most interesting for planning.15:47
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UmeaboyHi!16:44
UmeaboyI was thinking about installing Meego on my Kendo.........all I need is a USB-stick?16:44
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simon34how to select data bearer as data call in symbian s60 v5 mobiles? eg nokia 523017:00
Stskeepsnot really a symbian kernel sorry :)17:02
simon34where is symbian karnel....plz help17:02
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Stskeepserr.. symbian channel, i mean17:03
Stskeepsi'd ask google, personally17:03
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alteregoMe too, dunno why you chose this channel simon3417:06
RST38hHe may have been asking about symbian charnel though17:07
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alteregoThere's a symbian channel?!?!? :D17:07
simon34others refereed me to come here17:07
v_zaitse1they were fooling with you17:08
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alteregoMaybe #qt-mobility ...17:08
sandst1simon34: try #symbian here or #symbian.dev at irc.efnet.net.17:08
sandst1here meaning freenode17:08
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sandst1simon34: but finding actual symbian devs in IRC might be bit of a needle-in-a-haystack process : D17:11
alteregoYeah,17:12
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MohammadAGisn't there #qt-symbian?17:18
MohammadAGoh, symbian kernel17:19
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lcukgroan18:16
lcuk"I farted on a crowed lift today"18:17
lcuk"it was wrong on so many levels."18:17
sp3000like spelling?18:17
lcuksp3000, shhh :P18:18
lcukcrowded then :P18:18
lcuki blame my keyboard18:18
sp3000it's wrong on so many levels18:19
sp3000PC_FN_LEVEL2 included18:19
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CosmoHilllcuk: did you hear the joke about rock climbing?18:22
lcukno CosmoHill?18:22
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lcukno wonder you PMed that CosmoHill18:23
CosmoHillit was the same guy18:24
lcukthe same guy as?18:24
CosmoHillthe one who told the joke about the lift18:24
CosmoHillhe did both those jokes on live at the appollo18:24
lcuk:D18:24
* MohammadAG needs help with kernel sources18:24
lcukahhh CosmoHill I got a txt from eldest18:25
lcukMohammadAG, I think you might be able to find a guy who can help18:25
MohammadAGI got the kernel to build, and it boots fine, but shouldn't the exact same patches produce the same kernel distributed?18:25
lcukI think hes called Linus or something :P18:25
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MohammadAGlcuk, we had an argument over C and C++, apparently, he hates C++18:25
lcukMohammadAG, if you have same source + same buildoptions + same toolchain, then yes18:26
sp3000what is he, a mozbot?18:26
MohammadAGlcuk, another thing that puzzles me, why do the patches fail to apply against 2.6.35.3 when that's the kernel being distributed?18:26
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lcukMohammadAG, ok, firstly, is it operator error.18:27
lcukbe specific and show which sources you are working from and where the binaries you are comparing against are18:28
Stskeepswhat are you breaking again?18:28
Stskeeps:P18:28
ali1234probably wrong fuzz level18:28
ali1234you see, with RPMs, the patches do not have to cleanly apply to the source18:28
Stskeepsand what source18:28
ali1234and each distro uses a different fuzz level to make things extra confusing18:29
ali1234so you wont actually see the fuzz level specified in the RPM18:29
MohammadAGum, sure, patches are from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/blobs/master/kernel-n900.spec#line442 till the end of the N900 section18:29
ali1234you have to do research to find out what it is, and then manually specify it18:29
MohammadAGkernel is a vanilla source from kernel.org18:29
StskeepsMohammadAG: ah, give up on that git tree, i plan to have a bug filed to remove it18:29
lcukhm?18:29
MohammadAGStskeeps, well, that's not exactly stated there is it :P18:29
Stskeepsno, but it should18:30
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MohammadAGso where do I get the sources?18:30
Stskeepsit's put there by a bot and the bot is broken18:30
MohammadAGali1234, I'm using quilt18:30
Stskeepsyou rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -id the source rpm18:30
MohammadAGerr, what?18:30
MohammadAGwhere's the .src.rpm then?18:30
Stskeepson the sources section of a given release?18:30
lcukbut where is the tracking history kept if not in git?18:30
MohammadAGStskeeps, so.. it's not on git then...18:31
Stskeepslcuk: OBS and seen on meego-commits18:31
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ali1234quilt won't save you unless you use the exact correct RPM version on the exact operating system, because fuzz level lives in some arcane RPM config file (or possibly and environmental variable)18:31
StskeepsMohammadAG: i think it's idiotic myself but so it goes..18:31
lcukStskeeps, so, git the application written by the kernel god himself to manage updates to his kernel is not actively tracking kernel developement over here on meego anymore?18:32
Stskeepslcuk: we're not doing kernel development, we're doing kernel packaging18:32
Stskeeps:P18:32
Stskeepskernel development should go in upstream18:32
MohammadAGonly package I see related to kernels is this http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.10.20101214.1/handset/repos/source/rar-kernel-headers-0.0.1-2.2.src.rpm18:33
ali1234or put another way, if you're porting the kernel to a new board, meego is not a good distro to test your work, because it's too complicated to package the kernel for it18:33
StskeepsMohammadAG: core/18:34
lcukStskeeps, so upstream == lkml?18:35
Stskeepslinux tree18:35
MohammadAGI suppose this is the one then? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.10.20101214.1/core/repos/source/kernel-2.6.35.3-13.5.src.rpm18:36
Stskeepsright18:36
Stskeepsbug 11423 submitted18:36
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11423 nor, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, Git repository http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source is very often broken and shoul18:36
MohammadAGso I wasted a week trying to get a kernel working and it's because it wasn't documented, nice18:36
MohammadAGStskeeps, can't you put a comment on the git source or something?18:37
lcukwould it have worked if the bot had been pushing latest changes to core kernel back into gitorious?18:37
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StskeepsMohammadAG: what do i look like, an admin?18:37
Stskeeps:P18:37
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lcukie, simplest option to allow people to hack from gitorious if they feel most comfortable using git18:37
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MohammadAGStskeeps, no, the N900 adaptation ___________ <-- forgot the word18:38
Stskeepslcuk: except if you went to look at the source, what's stored there is the package itself, not the unfolded kernel.18:38
MohammadAGdistmaster? :P18:38
MohammadAGwhat? *points at cloak*18:38
timeless_mbpali1234: ERR re fuzz level18:39
timeless_mbpthat totally sucks18:39
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timeless_mbpali1234: so um, how do i find the fuzz level?18:39
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: rpmrc usually or macros18:39
MohammadAGStskeeps, funny thing is, arjan told me to use the git page :/18:39
ali1234right18:39
ali1234if it was up to me i would enforce fuzz level = 0 everywhere18:39
MohammadAGthis is such a mess18:40
StskeepsMohammadAG: in what bizarre universe?18:40
Stskeeps:P18:40
MohammadAGDec 16 00:44:45 <arjan>MohammadAG: fwiw the meego kernel package is also just a quilt patch series18:40
MohammadAGDec 16 00:45:57 <MohammadAG>arjan, are we looking at the same sources?18:40
MohammadAGDec 16 01:12:33 <arjan>MohammadAG: if you're talking abuot the meego kernel yeah then very likely we're looking at the same stuff18:40
StskeepsMohammadAG: i think he meant the source package, not that place :)18:40
* MohammadAG stabs a trout18:40
ali1234yay packaging18:41
StskeepsMohammadAG: i got hit by this problem too, hence me filing this problem18:41
MohammadAGStskeeps, is there any way to mount the .raw file?18:41
StskeepsMohammadAG: kpartx18:41
Stskeepsali1234: the packaging isn't the problem, the problem is that some bot was sending broken patches to git :)18:41
MohammadAGstarts with k, kde?18:41
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StskeepsMohammadAG: no, just like kill isn't a kde tool18:41
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ali1234Stskeeps: so fix the bot, don't force people to use the annoying srpm18:41
MohammadAGor not18:41
MohammadAGStskeeps, thanks18:42
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ali1234MohammadAG: what are you actually trying to do with the source anyway?18:45
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MohammadAGStskeeps, lol18:45
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Stskeepswhat?18:46
Stskeeps:P18:46
timeless_mbpStskeeps / ali1234 : is there a certain package that is known to have the rpmrc/rpmmacros that i want?18:46
timeless_mbpi18:46
timeless_mbp.e.18:46
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: rpm + meego-rpm-config usually18:46
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timeless_mbpif i were to try to do this stuff properly, should i bootstrap by grabbing those packages first and grabbing bits from them?18:46
MohammadAGali1234, editing CMDLINE so I don't have to use flasher-3.5 each time is a start ;)18:46
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: since i assume you're doing mxr, did you find a new hosting?18:46
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ali1234ah, ok18:47
timeless_mbpStskeeps: i just filed a bug asking for OSU hosting18:47
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MohammadAGbooting maemo w/ 2.6.35 is dream18:47
timeless_mbpwe agreed a while ago in principal that i'd have it18:47
StskeepsMohammadAG: oh man, you're in for a lot of hurt18:47
Stskeeps:P18:47
timeless_mbpand it was confirmed @MeeGo Conf18:47
MohammadAGoh and a proper recovery initrd, the current one lacks UBIFS and a keymap :P18:47
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: anyway you can read the bug to see my stats18:48
ali1234i don't get it, CMDLINE is not a problem, just use u-boot to override it?18:48
timeless_mbpbut basically the current mxr.meego.com host had a 100gb volume for mxr stuff18:48
timeless_mbpand it had 727mb free before my latest attempt to build a new repo18:49
timeless_mbpsadly the sources cost 12GB18:49
timeless_mbpwhich means it didn't work :)18:49
lcuktimeless_mbp, bug number for the mxr hosting?18:49
MohammadAGStskeeps, another question, how do I mount /dev/loop0 after using kpartx? :)18:50
MohammadAGali1234, what about UBIFS support in the vmlinuz image ;)18:50
StskeepsMohammadAG: you don't, look at /dev/mapper/loop*18:50
Stskeepskpartx -a is what i use18:50
timeless_mbplcuk: 1142218:51
ali1234MohammadAG:  yes, ok , that's a tougher problem. probably harder than just enabling the right module too18:52
MohammadAGcool, ty18:52
lcukbug 1142218:53
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11422 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, allocate vm at OSU for mxr.meego.com18:53
MohammadAGali1234, actually, UBIFS is enabled, but as a module, I need it in the kernel image18:53
lcuktimeless_mbp, fwiw, I just voted for it18:53
lcukothers should too if they use mxr18:54
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MohammadAGStskeeps, what exactly does rpm2cpio kernel-2.6.35.3-13.5.src.rpm | cpio -vid src/* do?20:09
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StskeepsMohammadAG: converts rpm to cpio format and unpacks it?20:10
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MohammadAGStskeeps, so where does it end up? I was expecting a directory in .20:10
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Stskeepsi didn't tell you to use src/*20:11
Stskeepsit'd end up in same dir, afaik20:11
MohammadAGyour command didn't work20:11
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MohammadAGneither did mine20:11
MohammadAGanyways, used file-roller20:11
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MohammadAGStskeeps, do I need any patches other than the N900's? A readme would be appreciated tbh :/20:21
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StskeepsMohammadAG: if you can wait, we're transfering to an adaptation kernel which means upstream + only n900 patches20:22
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MohammadAGStskeeps, yes, I read the meeting's logs, still, do I need anything other than the N900's kernel (like the Direct Backport patches)?20:23
StskeepsMohammadAG: i can't say without having tried :)20:24
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MohammadAGStskeeps, wait wait, so you're not the one who handles this stuff?20:25
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StskeepsMohammadAG: no, we have a kernel maintainer20:26
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Stskeepsfor n90020:26
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MohammadAGStskeeps, I see, but tbh, the sources seem to be the same, Applying patch linux-2.6-n900-modem-support.patch20:29
MohammadAG1 out of 1 hunk FAILED20:29
MohammadAGPatch linux-2.6-n900-modem-support.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)20:29
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StskeepsMohammadAG: ok, so walk me through what you're doing..20:31
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MohammadAGgot the vanilla kernel 2.6.35.3 from kernel.org, unpacked it, got the source you pointed me at, applied all patches in the N900 section of the series file20:33
MohammadAGwith quilt, but it always fails at the modem patch20:33
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Stskeepsdid you remember to unpack the patch-*.bz2 file too? that always gets me20:33
Stskeepsah, .3..20:34
MohammadAGerr?20:34
Stskeepsnm20:34
Stskeepssorry, i'm a bit tired20:34
MohammadAGthought so :)20:34
ali1234it's the fuzz level.............20:34
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MohammadAGali1234, what fuzz level? I'm not using RPM20:34
Stskeepsali1234: well, that's easy to easy, but at least at my last look, we had fuzz=020:35
ali1234it doesn't matter, fuzz level is a parameter of patch which is *set* by RPM20:35
Stskeepseasy to say, i mean20:35
MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aQS21YeG I'm only applying the patches listed in the N900 section here20:36
ali1234at my last look, while attempting to build meego rpms, they all failed because the default level is 2, all other distros use 2, but meego uses 320:36
Stskeepsok, could you do a run with all patches instead?20:36
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ali1234wow that's a lot of patches20:37
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Stskeepsbackports mostly20:37
MohammadAGshould I comment out Aava's patches?20:37
Stskeepsno, just make a run with the entire series20:37
MohammadAG2 out of 2 hunks FAILED20:38
MohammadAGPatch linux-2.6.36-PM-Runtime-Lenient-generic-runtime-pm-callbacks.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)20:38
Stskeepshow are you applying the patches?20:38
MohammadAGquilt20:39
MohammadAGso they're applied from top to bottom20:39
Stskeepsexact line?20:39
MohammadAGQUILT_PATCHES=patches quilt push -a -q20:39
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MohammadAGpatches/ is the directory20:39
Stskeepsthere's no patches/ in the srpm :P20:40
MohammadAGI know, I symlinked it there20:40
MohammadAGthat doesn't matter anyways ;)20:40
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ali1234isn't there some kind of like, "prepare" command from rpm, that unpacks the source and applies all patches?20:41
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Stskeeps-bp, yeah20:41
Bostikit applies patches specified in the .spec20:42
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Bostiktechnically nothing *prevents* you from running quilt magic after unpack in the setup stage (or just before configure)20:43
MohammadAGand the patches specified in the .spec file are the same as the ones in series :)20:43
StskeepsMohammadAG: i gotta get away from the computer, but good luck with it - http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel also exists for n900 stuff20:43
MohammadAGtbh, I don't care how the patches are applied, I just want the source meego uses right before a "make" is done20:44
Stskeepsthen do rpmbuild -bp20:44
Stskeeps:P20:44
MohammadAGI don't have rpm :)20:44
Stskeepsget it20:44
Stskeeps:P20:44
MohammadAGI'm using scratchbox as a toolchain :P20:45
Bostikouch++20:45
ali1234scratchbox?!20:45
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MohammadAGindeed20:45
Stskeepsok, the moment you said that i can't help you anymore20:45
Stskeeps:P20:45
Bostikgood luck then20:46
ali1234why scratchbox? why not code sourcery cross compilers?20:46
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Bostiksidestepping all the damage sbox impinges on its user is hideously tricky20:46
MeepHi, looking at the meego.com homepage, I can see lots of references to git repositories and SDKs.  How do I go about build meego from scratch?  Are the instructions hidden in the wiki or a git repository somewhere?20:46
ali1234Meep: the short answer is no, the long answer is noooooooooooo.....20:47
MohammadAGis arm-2009q1 good enough?20:47
ali1234MohammadAG: i prefer the 2008Q1 or 2008Q320:47
MohammadAGany reason for that?20:47
ali1234i had problems with newer toolchains, especially with uboot20:47
Meepali1234 Are there any instructions, or you do you just fumble around until you get something built?20:48
ali1234but with kernels too (but not meego kernel, but other kernels on arm...)20:48
Bostikyou're probably going to end up with badly broken binaries, whatever you do20:48
ali1234Meep: there are "instructions" for building meego from scratch, unfortunately none of them is fully complete20:48
StskeepsMeep: so, why would you want to build it from scratch?20:49
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MeepOkay... Voyage of discovery kind of thing eh?20:49
ali1234Meep: someone asks this question every day, nobody seems to have figured out how to do it yet20:49
Bostiksome sbox toolchains manage to generate versioned symbols in libc/libstdc++ that are not present on device20:49
Bostikstill nurturing my wounds due to that20:50
ali1234Bostik: but we're compiling kernels and bootloaders... no worries about libraries...20:50
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user__hi20:50
Bostikah, the easy way out ;)20:50
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ali1234Meep: the partially complete answer is you have to set up an OBS server, then somehow import all the meego rpms and srpms into it, then set it off, and hopefully, by some kind of magic that few people understand, it will build meego from scratch for you20:51
Stskeepsali1234: i've done that with hardfp, i'll document it in the new year..20:51
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Stskeepsie, a new arch port, too20:52
MeepOkay.  Continuum builds.  Fair enough20:52
MeepIs that how meego releases are made?20:52
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Stskeepspretty much - meego's a package based system, source packages turn into binary packages :)20:53
ali1234i'm not sure what "continuum build" means20:53
MeepIt means that each package is independent, and so a distribution is made an aggregation of an ongoing set of build of components that should work together.20:53
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MeepA release is a collection of the packages at a particular point in time.20:54
ali1234yeah, sounds about right20:54
Stskeepswell, i wouldn't say independent, as they might depend on eachother20:54
Stskeeps:P20:54
Stskeepsbut yeah20:54
MeepBut there is no such thing as "checkout the code"; "make the code"; "ship the code".20:54
StskeepsMeep: pretty much - you can check out individual packages and rebuild those and the ones that depend on it20:54
Meepstskeeps; yes - at a package level.20:54
ali1234yeah, the main problem with "meego from scratch" is that tonnes of packages won't compile correctly unless you build them on meego20:54
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MeepNP, it's been helpful.20:55
ali1234which isn't really "from scratch" - chicken and egg situation20:55
Stskeepsali1234: the trick is to start out with ~80 base packages20:55
Stskeepswhich are fairly friendly20:55
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MeepYup:  80 packages, some spices, a rare flower, an incantation in some ancient language :).20:56
ali1234right :)20:56
Bostiksacrificing 12 nubile virgins works too20:56
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MeepThey are harder to find these days than the rare flower :0.20:56
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Venemohi guys21:16
* auke not around enough21:16
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npmshoulda used linux/meego :-) : http://failblog.org/2010/12/14/epic-fail-photos-atm-fail/21:25
Venemonpm: lol... :D21:26
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Stskeepshmm, did anyone look at where we're actually having next conference? damn close to sf bay bridge :)22:38
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Stskeepsok, and i'm showing as an european not being able to tell two bridges apart :)22:40
jlnnpm: :D22:41
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jlnStskeeps: Found the link for conference yesterday, but lost it again. Could you help me out?22:42
Stskeepshttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_201122:43
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jlnStskeeps: Thanks22:43
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jlnLooks nice. Dublin was great too22:44
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lateniteHi I am looking for smartphone hardware the meego can run on? All I know is the Nokia n500. I s there a list of more deices? thanks23:01
Myrttin500?23:01
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Myrttihurrrrrrr23:01
RST38hMoo Myrtti23:01
Myrttimoo RST38h23:01
RST38hHow is suffering tonight?23:02
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lateniteis that wroing. I ve seen the n500 but like to know if ther is more smartphones that work with meego23:02
MyrttiI've never heard of such Nokia device23:03
timeless_mbplatenite: did you mean the n900?23:03
lateniteMyrtti, http://www.areamobile.de/news/15793-meego-smartphone-nokia-zeigt-neues-handy-system-im-video23:03
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Myrttilatenite: where in that is it called n500?23:04
lateniteMyrtti, you re right this video shows the n900. but my friend phone (he called it n500)23:05
Myrttithe handset on the video is the aava protodevice23:05
Myrttias it says on the youtube description23:05
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Myrttiyour friend... right.23:05
Myrttirumours.23:05
lateniteoh well thats 2 pones. Are there any sonyerriccson or apple devices supported23:06
lateniteMyrtti, I did hold it in my hand yesterday...but did ot check if it was a n500 or n900. he might be mistaken23:06
latenitehe also said it does not use "meego" but some OS called "mogo" or "moogo"...have you ever heard of hat? os23:07
Myrttilatenite: maemo?23:07
lateniteMyrtti, no "mOgo" mybe with doulbe oo23:08
Myrttiright23:08
latenitemeego is totaly open source right?23:08
Myrttigood night kids23:09
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lcukgnite Myrtti \o23:17
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lcukahh well, it didn't exist it was worth a shot for an after work pint23:19
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kaushikWARNING: Cannot find root file system!23:38
kaushik--------------------------------------23:38
kaushikCreate symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence23:38
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kaushikAny idea about this?23:38
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-gibson.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp23:49
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