IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2010-12-12

lcuk	gnite Stskeeps \o	00:00
CosmoHill	cyas dude	00:00
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gabrbedd	mutter querstion: does anyone know if it's possible to make a panel application (e.g. meego-panel-*) that is NOT a GTK+ app?	00:01
CosmoHill	meego doesn't use GTK	00:02
CosmoHill	meego uses Qt	00:02
lcuk	CosmoHill, netbook panels are not qt afaik	00:02
CosmoHill	ah	00:02
gabrbedd	CosmoHill: mutter is GTK.	00:02
CosmoHill	oh	00:02
* lcuk has handset on ideapad		00:03
berndhs_meego	meego uses gtk all over the place	00:03
* CosmoHill will be quiet		00:03
gabrbedd	lcuk: How? I tried setting it up this morning using mic-image-creator... but couldn't make it happen.	00:03
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lcuk	gabrbedd, ?	00:04
gabrbedd	lcuk: !	00:04
lcuk	couldnt make what happen	00:04
andyross	MeeGo netbook is still a heavy Gtk user. The handset code is all Qt, and that's the layer which has been blessed officially as the MeeGo API.	00:04
gabrbedd	lcuk: It built the image (using 1.1 kickstart)... but woldn't work with the -mrst or the -netbook kernel.	00:05
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gabrbedd	(mrst: Xorg had video driver problems, netbook: oops due to lockdep)	00:05
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lcuk	gabrbedd, what are you talking about specifically	00:05
gabrbedd	lcuk: Ok, back up. Forget I ever tried it. :-)	00:06
lcuk	triewd what? what was your goal	00:06
gabrbedd	lcuk: How did you go about installing handset on ideapad?	00:06
berndhs_meego	andyross: do you know if the handset code uses telepathy-qr4 ?	00:06
lcuk	theres multiple topics there and I dont know which you are refering	00:06
andyross	gabrbedd: the public "pinetrail" images are targetted at netbooks like the Ideapad, this should work: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-pinetrail-mtf/	00:06
lcuk	right	00:06
lcuk	gabrbedd, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874	00:06
gabrbedd	lcuk: Thanks! You're a star!	00:07
gabrbedd	andyross: You're a star, too!	00:08
andyross	berndhs_meego: yes, the telepathy Qt bindings are there, but that's not my area of expertise so I couldn't tell you how they're used. You can check the repos and image package lists for what's present.	00:09
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berndhs_meego	andyross: I know the lib is there, in an deprecated version, just wondering if anyone actually uses it	00:09
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andyross	Something uses it, otherwise it wouldn't be in the image package. I don't have one right here to check, but rpm -q --whatrequires should tell you.	00:19
beford	lcuk, I did a desktop chooser on boot :P	00:20
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_Rui_	hello, I'm trying to setup my environment to start developing MeeGo for N900	00:27
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_Rui_	but following the wiki guide, while installing MeeGo runtime mad-adim list runtimes shouldn't be showing the runtime for ARM?	00:28
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CosmoHill	thank good I graduate uni this year cos next year the fee triples	00:29
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_Rui_	anyone here has configured already MeeGo Qemu runtime for ARM/N900?	00:30
CosmoHill	ah that was the internation student page	00:31
* CosmoHill unpoops		00:31
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Jay_BEE	lol Cosmo	00:35
lcuk	beford, hmm?	00:35
lcuk	could you elaborate	00:35
CosmoHill	£3290 for 2011 to 2012	00:35
lcuk	perhaps with a nice short informative video also	00:35
lcuk	:)	00:35
Jay_BEE	[14:31]* CosmoHillunpoops <---- I don't like the mental imagery of this at all	00:35
beford	I added a new entry on the bootmanager to allow me choose betweenm netbook ux and handset	00:36
CosmoHill	good thing you don't know what I look like then	00:36
Jay_BEE	lol	00:36
lcuk	i would imagine your expression would change drastically if oyu unpooped anyway.	00:36
CosmoHill	www.cosmo1847.co.uk >.>	00:36
gabrbedd	lcuk, andyross: I just loaded up the 1.1 handset image on my ideapad. Pretty sweet! Thanks!	00:38
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npm	does anybody have fedora12 meego-sdk-qt-creator-2.0.1-25.1.x86_64 -- that's the last known version that worked to cross-develop qt code onto n900	02:02
npm	meego-sdk-qt-creator-2.0.94-1.1.x86_64 now complains that maemo "mad developer" isn't installed	02:03
npm	or do i have to "fake this up" by creating a user /home/developer instead of telling it to use default "meego" user and password	02:03
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npm	unfortunately "yum downgrade meego-sdk-qt-creator" --> "Only Upgrade available on package: meego-sdk-qt-creator-2.0.94-1.1.x86_64"	02:06
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npm	_Rui_: as in the famous Rui Nuno Capela??? Does that mean you'll be porting qtractor, qjackctl, qmidictl to meego handset ???	02:09
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npm	_Rui_: in response to your q's.... for n900: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Setting_up_N900_device http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900	02:12
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* npm realizes there might be more than one Rui in portugal, but how many people named rui develop for n900 ( see http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net/ ) :-)		02:15
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Jay_BEE	heh	02:19
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* npm is getting ever more skillful at powering down n900, popping off cover, and yanking out battery before it reboots again ... while remembering to unmount the teensy-sd card... all while not dropping it on the floor and running over it with chair casters...		02:29
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beford	Jay_BEE, how did you fix qtirreco?	02:33
* npm wonders whether someone's made a dual-ported flash memory card, which would allow simultaneous access from inside device, while looking like USB memory to your desktop		02:34
Jay_BEE	beford: I re-installed it, although I think that was totally unnecessary, I was not selecting appropriate remotes	02:34
beford	oh :P	02:34
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ShadowJK	npm: it'd have to be read-only for both or it'd get messed up fast	02:45
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npm	dual-port static ram exists ...	02:50
npm	of course, i get the same by using 'dolphin' and mounting the n900 via sftp	02:51
lcuk	please do not shoot me too quickly:	02:52
lcuk	anyone know of a method of making qt class trees without needing to declare both header and implementation	02:52
lcuk	whether it be from a generator or a wrapper	02:52
lcuk	kinda like how visual basic.net handles classes (you just write a class and it automagically makes headers in the background or whatever	02:53
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berndhs	lcuk: sure. make a template class, everything in the header	02:58
lcuk	not exactly what I want	02:58
lcuk	i have a whole class tree I need to start to define	02:58
lcuk	and its easier if I can start to see them together	02:59
berndhs	you dont want to write headers ? just the implementation ?	02:59
lcuk	i dont mind which	02:59
lcuk	but after making headers i have to then make implementation boilerplate for it all	02:59
lcuk	and its tiresome	02:59
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berndhs	cut, paste, sed, awk	03:00
lcuk	potentially, I shall start anyway and see how far I get	03:01
lcuk	thanks berndhs \o	03:01
berndhs	:)	03:01
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MohammadAG	Stskeeps, ping	03:57
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CosmoHill	MohammadAG: he's asleep	04:00
MohammadAG	Hmm, k, I noticed uboot-pr13 has binaries in the source package	04:01
MohammadAG	and I was building a uboot kernel for kernel-power, so I uploaded a proper package with a clean (no binaries) source called uboot-power	04:01
* npm has sudden visions of programming bliss on discovering "vala -- a modern programming language for gnome" is part of meego		04:02
MohammadAG	Assuming he reads his his backscroll, here's the debian/rules file http://pastebin.com/csFuY7Rw with the source here, http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/	04:02
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npm	speaking of which, lcuk, " method of making qt class trees without needing to declare both header" ... do you mean you seek runtime introspection capability in qt? ( e.g. call http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qobject.html#dumpObjectTree )	04:06
lcuk	npm	04:07
lcuk	inverted	04:07
lcuk	in python for instance, it is feasible to create a class just by writing the class	04:07
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lcuk	there is no disconnect between header and implementation	04:08
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lcuk	and it was the same in visual basic and visual basic.net	04:08
lcuk	:P	04:08
npm	yep, that's dynanuc languages for ya	04:08
* MohammadAG likes the Qt way :P		04:08
* npm likes the lisp way		04:08
lcuk	heh	04:08
* npm but is realistic		04:09
npm	s/dynamic	04:09
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npm	basically it's called a "meta object system" and involves "meta object programming" which is related to introspection	04:10
npm	qt brings some of that to the C++ world	04:10
npm	by using introspection inherent in inheriting from qobject (see link i posted)	04:11
lcuk	i know about introspection	04:12
npm	Vala does that quite nicely as well, but more useful, integrates directly into gobject system (similar to qobject)	04:12
lcuk	i made extensive use of it in numerous languages	04:13
lcuk	most of the liqbase applications are built directly from visual basic source	04:13
npm	so i'm not sure it's "inverted"	04:13
lcuk	which I introspect and generate code from	04:13
lcuk	which gives me a complete project including packaging directly from vb in windows grin	04:13
lcuk	but I am using qt now :)	04:14
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npm	sounds like something similar to http://live.gnome.org/Vala/Tutorial#Binding_Libraries_with_VAPI_Files is needed (from world of Vala)	04:15
npm	and given that Vala is trying to write VAPI files for everyting, perhaps that could help your process too?	04:16
lcuk	well npm someone mentioned doing something else with vala	04:16
lcuk	actually getting it generating qt source directly	04:16
lcuk	without any gobject	04:17
lcuk	pure qt from vala using vala language	04:17
npm	that's what i want	04:17
npm	please develop it and i'll use it :-)	04:17
lcuk	heh	04:17
lcuk	well first i think someone who knows vala more will know the complexities	04:17
berndhs	oh this is going to be great	04:18
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npm	but imho the vapi stuff could be used in other langs	04:18
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npm	already is in "genie" which is vala's "python"	04:18
berndhs	we will get a new vala derivative which wraps gobject in qobjects	04:18
lcuk	:O	04:18
lcuk	thats just evil	04:19
lcuk	walk the plank :P	04:19
npm	well you could be doing lisp in java (aja clojure)	04:19
berndhs	a solution not designed by a comittee, but by 2 comittees	04:19
lcuk	theres another possible direction	04:19
lcuk	theres an app called shedskin	04:19
npm	but anyways, i've found my one bit of vala programming to be very enjoyable: http://spekle.googlecode.com	04:19
lcuk	which generates c++ classes from python	04:19
lcuk	however, they are not qt classes	04:20
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lcuk	and so when compiled afail they wont have introspection built in themselves	04:20
lcuk	i tried it with some simple python	04:20
lcuk	and it converted the code extremely cleanly to what would be fast c++	04:20
lcuk	berndhs, like inception, a dream within a dream :P	04:21
npm	i don't know about wrapping gobject in qobject or vice versa, but it sure would be nice to have the Vala language available as an alternative to C++ for Qt programming while internally doing qobject introspection	04:21
npm	but i can dream...	04:21
berndhs	oh i can come up with worse, just give me time :)	04:21
lcuk	agreed npm	04:21
lcuk	the principle would be wise	04:22
lcuk	especially for those with an investment in vala code	04:22
npm	well i don't have an investment in the code, i just like the elegance of the programming, and the fact that i can vaguely recognize my code in gdb as i'm debugging	04:22
npm	(since it turns vala into c)	04:22
* lcuk nods		04:23
berndhs	c++ started out that way too, jsut preprocessed into C	04:23
npm	and then you get to reuse all the optimizations of gcc	04:23
lcuk	CFront :)	04:23
npm	yeah, the good old days.	04:23
npm	but the diff is that it's not a ++ of a language. it's an ^ or a ! (factorial)	04:24
berndhs	i get suspicious when people say a language is "elegant" :P	04:24
npm	i get suspicious when the say a language is "secure"	04:25
berndhs	right, like you can't crash a java program :)	04:25
npm	no, just send garbage to the JNI calls and have that crap all over your memory for you	04:26
lcuk	sidetracking :P	04:26
berndhs	sometimes its better if it crashes, as opposed to keep running and trashing the rest of the world	04:27
npm	although someone is going to have to answer the java==secure question for meego	04:27
lcuk	are they?	04:27
berndhs	why ? does anyone seriously claim java programs are secure ?	04:28
npm	as in counter the marketing for android and the google thin client and everything happening in the cloud vision	04:28
odin_	only the stuff inside java is secure from the other stuff inside java when correctly programmed with security in mind (which isn't that difficult)	04:29
berndhs	for people who think cloud is secure, ask them what happened to wikileaks	04:29
npm	wikileaks isn't "cloud" it's "sneakernet"	04:29
berndhs	your providers get the least bit annoyed with you, that's the end of your cloud computing	04:29
npm	and the US military only recently changed it's policy towards bringing CD/USB/media in/out of secure facility	04:30
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lcuk	no they didnt	04:30
lcuk	thats been in place for a long time	04:30
npm	it was just annouced today	04:30
odin_	but you can buy your own cloud now from that generous company called Oracle for a small fee	04:30
lcuk	npm, http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1905900&cid=34519902	04:31
berndhs	that's almost like doing it yourself :)	04:31
lcuk	its silly	04:31
lcuk	but I recall reading about banning all media/phones and everything when working on secret grade military machines	04:32
npm	probably at a private company	04:32
berndhs	aren't those banned already ?	04:32
lcuk	no, it was milspec	04:32
npm	with it's own security policty	04:32
lcuk	of course	04:32
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odin_	milspec?	04:34
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lcuk	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Military_Standard	04:37
lcuk	and this is from 2009	04:37
lcuk	http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4342869	04:37
lcuk	"After being banned almost a year ago as bug-infested cyber threats, thumb drives may soon be allowed to plug back into U.S. Defense Department computers and networks."	04:37
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lcuk	so in 2008 they were explicitely banned (when I probably read it)	04:37
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lcuk	found the article I think I recall reading: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/20/us_army_usb_ban/	04:40
lcuk	anyway, bed for me \o gnite	04:40
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npm	lcuk: if you're still awake, note additional observation added to https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790#c6	04:49
MeeGoBot	Bug 7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot	04:49
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lcuk	npm, great stuff \o/	04:50
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MohammadAG	npm, the heat generated can't possibly be due to that	04:52
MohammadAG	it's not warm	04:52
MohammadAG	it's hot, as in it can dry water	04:53
npm	?	04:53
npm	mine would dry water very slowly	04:53
npm	so i'm wondering if that's due to either (1) your use of later release than I ; (2) slow mem card ?	04:54
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MohammadAG	i'm using 1.1.80	04:54
lcuk	not sure npm, that is what the engineers can look at over next few days.	04:55
MohammadAG	running off a memory card should not cause it	04:55
npm	i'm using the 1.1 release "demo" version	04:55
npm	what speed memory card are you using?	04:55
MohammadAG	class 2	04:55
npm	there you go	04:55
MohammadAG	it should not matter when the device is idle	04:55
MohammadAG	i.e 0 usage	04:55
npm	i bet we could do a graph of temp versus class and it would be higher the lower the class	04:55
npm	(theory)	04:55
lcuk	npm, to advance your hypothosis though, get a normal mmc and try?	04:55
MohammadAG	with screen off	04:55
lcuk	ie have 2 installs of the same image	04:56
lcuk	one on your fast card	04:56
lcuk	one on your slow on	04:56
MohammadAG	npm, when in use, i support your theory, but when idle, I don't see how it's an issue	04:56
lcuk	and confirm it with a thermometer	04:56
MohammadAG	i left my device for 30 minutes, came back to and it was hot	04:56
npm	can you run "top" because it's not idle when idel	04:56
MohammadAG	on maemo, as I need a reliable alarm :P	04:57
npm	the wireless is frobbing away, sysuid is churning 15% of memory, etc	04:57
MohammadAG	but it was idle	04:57
MohammadAG	(checked over ssh)	04:57
npm	https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790#c6 are my "idle" results with a class 10 card	04:57
MeeGoBot	Bug 7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot	04:57
npm	post yours to compare	04:58
MohammadAG	not at 5AM :)	04:58
MohammadAG	night	04:58
npm	see when it's running top over ssh via xterm, it's really not idle	04:58
MohammadAG	it is, I checked it when I came back to it	04:59
npm	the X connection is happening over SSH and it's getting encrypted decrypted for every mouse click, motion, etc	04:59
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npm	and character output in xterm	04:59
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lcuk	npm, but we can do the same on same hardware on maemo	05:00
GrosseTapette	Hi guyz	05:00
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lcuk	gnite MohammadAG \o	05:00
lcuk	and gnite npm	05:00
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npm	gnite	05:00
MohammadAG	just wanted to add, even when debootstrapping ubuntu, my temperature didn't reach the temp meego did	05:01
MohammadAG	nite lcuk	05:01
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npm	anybody have a solution to missing "mad-developer" remote-wrapper.sh ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-November/000432.html )	05:06
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Jay_BEE	is it me or is there no terminal app in the latest handset image?	06:48
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Jay_BEE	mia	06:50
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Jay_BEE	raised a bug, not for the terminal app, but for the keyboard lights not coming on	06:58
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sivang	thp: ping	11:46
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roadi	whats all in/on the rescue system ... http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd	12:45
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roadi	i've bricked my n900 and wanna recover recover all the data befor i reflash it.	12:45
roadi	the backlight is off so i need an easy way for copy all file to the sd card.	12:46
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MohammadAG	Stskeeps, ping	12:59
Stskeeps	plonk	12:59
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MohammadAG	Stskeeps, why does uboot-pr13's source contain binaries?	12:59
Stskeeps	MohammadAG: mostly because i don't trust the toolchain in fremantle for building uboot	13:00
Stskeeps	it's built with arm2010q3, so	13:00
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, I sent uboot-power to the repos, which has sources instead of binaries	13:01
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MohammadAG	Stskeeps, and it works	13:01
Stskeeps	ok	13:02
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, so, mind updating the package to follow debian policies? :)	13:02
Stskeeps	i don't really intend to, considering it works fine for the purpose	13:03
Stskeeps	if you want the source tree, i have that :)	13:03
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, or if you don't mind, I can ask X-Fade to delete both packages and make one source which generates both packages	13:03
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, uboot-power has proper sources	13:04
Stskeeps	i'd (tbh) prefer nothing to be touched and i don't want anything that links to the power kernel for various reasons	13:04
Stskeeps	it's in extras-devel for a reason	13:04
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MohammadAG	Stskeeps, well, can I fix the package then?	13:05
Stskeeps	simple fact is that if we change something and it breaks, we'll have some very unhappy customers :P	13:05
Stskeeps	like the kernel-power guys fucked up	13:05
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MohammadAG	that kernel has the worst management ever, but that's not the point	13:05
Stskeeps	so, i would prefer the package to stay as-is as we know it works fine	13:07
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MohammadAG	but it's in free and has binaries :/	13:07
dm8tbr	put a link to the sources there and stop being fundamentalist :)	13:08
Stskeeps	MohammadAG: and comes with exact instructions, too	13:08
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Bostik	link to sources + short explanation/note on toolchain issues as why the weird situation exists; I'd think that's well within reason (as in: "if you can't fix it, please stop breaking it any further")	13:13
sunkan	Yesterday I was testing with the image meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php, today I decided to test meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2. If I am going to report any useful test data for the N900 what image should I be using? And should I have a specific repo for zypper?	13:16
Stskeeps	sunkan: repo.meego.com ones	13:16
sunkan	Stskeeps: Ok, so I'm better of with the new one I installed.. Most obvious problem now is that the top status bar is completely blank. Known issue?	13:17
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Stskeeps	sunkan: systemui crashing should be fixed in next weeky	13:17
Stskeeps	on 14th	13:17
sunkan	Stskeeps: Ok.. can I update to that over WLAN with specific repo settings? Or do I need to dd in a new image for every release?	13:18
Stskeeps	sunkan: currently we don't test upgrade-ability	13:18
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timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: ping	14:23
Stskeeps	pong?	14:23
timeless_mbp	i need someone who can explain what 'itt' and 'ittt' are	14:23
Stskeeps	i don't know	14:24
timeless_mbp	can you find someone who could?	14:24
timeless_mbp	https://bug532194.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=415475	14:24
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timeless_mbp	please?	14:31
timeless_mbp	ARM.com really _sucks_	14:31
Stskeeps	http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0489b/Cjabicci.html	14:33
timeless_mbp	how stable is that crappy url? :)	14:34
timeless_mbp	is it as bad as a nokia.com url?	14:34
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Stskeeps	duno	14:34
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timeless_mbp	* http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ihi0042d/IHI0042D_aapcs.pdf	14:39
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timeless_mbp	in the past we've linked to that	14:39
* timeless_mbp wonders if it's still valid		14:39
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timeless_mbp	it is	14:40
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ysdem123	so quiet	14:43
CosmoHill	everyone is at church	14:43
lolloo	hehe	14:43
CosmoHill	or most likely having a lie in	14:43
lolloo	sunday! should be lazy day!	14:43
lolloo	but MeeGo cannot wait!	14:44
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ysdem123	wait for what?	14:44
CosmoHill	monday?	14:47
CosmoHill	sunday roast?	14:47
ysdem123	whta do you usually do in sunday?	14:48
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CosmoHill	sleep, play games. anything but do my assignments	14:50
ysdem123	assignments? such as ?	14:51
CosmoHill	I handed in Parellel computing and Data structures on friday	14:52
CosmoHill	next friday I have professional issues to hand in	14:52
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ysdem123	:) you rae so busy!	14:53
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ysdem123	you are so busy	14:53
CosmoHill	apart from today, cos it\s a sunday	14:53
CosmoHill	and I have sky movies	14:53
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ysdem123	sports?	14:54
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CosmoHill	ysdem123: what are those?	15:03
ysdem123	i come from China	15:04
ysdem123	make an nickname for fun	15:04
ysdem123	And you?	15:05
CosmoHill	I'm from the UK	15:06
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ysdem123	In our college,we have to pass CET .	15:07
* lbt says "hi" to ysdem123 too		15:07
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CosmoHill	to me that means Centre European Time :)	15:07
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ysdem123	CET means like IELTS	15:08
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chuckgao	CET band 4 and 6	15:09
ysdem123	yeah	15:10
chuckgao	ungerliverable	15:10
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ysdem123	we have to pass this fucking test	15:11
CosmoHill	language	15:11
ysdem123	yeah or we can not get the Educational certificate	15:13
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ysdem123	chuckgao where are you from?	15:16
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* CosmoHill shivers		15:42
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niala	hello	15:43
niala	CosmoHill: reading fc ?	15:43
CosmoHill	no, just damn cold	15:43
CosmoHill	we drew nil all yesterday to convertory	15:44
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niala	ah	15:45
lolloo	is there a course for programming meego?	15:47
lolloo	I need one.	15:47
CosmoHill	not yet	15:47
CosmoHill	there was a meantion of tutorials and classes some months ago	15:47
lolloo	I need atleast to keep up	15:47
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lolloo	is there a good reference for programming apps on meego?	15:48
lolloo	a book?	15:48
lolloo	or something	15:48
lolloo	I am confused alot	15:48
Bostik	since meego (core) API is supposed to be Qt, you might try a good Qt programming book	15:48
niala	lolloo: http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html like taht ?	15:48
lolloo	and dont know how to start!	15:49
lolloo	Qt? what do all mostly use for it?	15:49
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lolloo	am checking the site now	15:49
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lolloo	don't you find it funny that I am still struggling to install Meego sdk on my windowsxp pc?	15:51
niala	you can use virtualbox	15:51
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lolloo	omg now I need to google what the hell is virtualbox.	15:52
niala	:)	15:52
CosmoHill	hold on	15:52
CosmoHill	http://trac.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/wiki/VirtualboxWin	15:53
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CosmoHill	damn that guide is old, virtualbox 4 beta is out	15:54
Bostik	and I discovered that vbox 3.2 (or more precisely, their kernel module) breaks things on my box	15:55
niala	lolloo: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows all digered	15:55
Bostik	dm-raid -> dm-crypt -> ext4 -> vbox + heavy I/O inside VM --> oops	15:56
lolloo	so when I install this on my lazy old windows xp pc I will need to install meego sdk as if i am installing it on linux pc?	15:56
lolloo	niala, I have been using it from the start (sdk) but the steps are sp hard!	15:57
lolloo	so*	15:57
lolloo	and LONG!	15:57
lolloo	hehe	15:57
lolloo	what is virtualbox for? is it emulator?	15:58
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niala	... ahhhh long what did you say if your computer was an old pentium 100	15:58
lolloo	omg	15:58
niala	lolloo: yes vbox is an emulator	15:58
niala	you want to see a meego or install sdk ?	15:59
lolloo	install sdk so I can start programming on my N900	15:59
lolloo	but I cannot even start correctly	15:59
CosmoHill	it's like a box, only it's virtual	16:00
CosmoHill	lolloo: you know what vmware is right?	16:00
lolloo	yes	16:00
CosmoHill	virtualbox is like vmware workstation	16:00
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niala	so Qt and Mad if you want dev for meego-arm	16:00
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CosmoHill	only it's not a whore to install	16:00
lolloo	is there debugger for qt other than this very long steps of meego sdk	16:01
lolloo	?	16:01
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niala	CosmoHill: ohhh googletranslate show me a bad word for 'whore'	16:02
lolloo	AARGGH am pulling my hair out!	16:02
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niala	lolloo: you can even try qtcreator on windows with no meego	16:02
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CosmoHill	"putain" I believe	16:02
* CosmoHill puts a coin in the swear jar		16:02
niala	yes double-oh :)	16:03
CosmoHill	wait we don't have a swear jar in here	16:03
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berndhs	just send me the money, it will make you feel better	16:03
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niala	CosmoHill: i thought tthe only bad word in english was "fuck off"	16:04
lolloo	ok am liking this http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html	16:05
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lolloo	reading is fun! not.	16:05
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niala	like shakespeare	16:06
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niala	to devel or not to devel, that is the question.	16:09
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lolloo	hehe	16:09
lolloo	I want to!!! but its not conveniant!	16:10
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CosmoHill	"fu**" is a bad word	16:11
lolloo	convenient*	16:11
CosmoHill	there is one word worse than that	16:11
lolloo	**ck	16:11
CosmoHill	no lolloo, a cock is a roster	16:12
lolloo	ofcourse	16:12
CosmoHill	going back to what you said eariler	16:12
CosmoHill	if you want to learn to write Meego programs you should learn c++ and Qt	16:12
lolloo	I do know C++	16:13
berndhs	other bad words in english: "banker", "end user", "COBOL",...	16:13
CosmoHill	since you don't need a MeeGo SDK for this, or even linux for that matter	16:13
CosmoHill	"conservative"	16:13
berndhs	"socialist"	16:13
CosmoHill	"youth"	16:14
lolloo	"ogeem"	16:14
berndhs	"middle age"	16:14
CosmoHill	"essex" :(	16:14
niala	nsa	16:14
lolloo	usa	16:14
berndhs	"france"	16:14
lolloo	hehe	16:14
niala	"sarkozy"	16:14
berndhs	"we are out of beer"	16:15
lolloo	"aliens"	16:15
berndhs	"locals"	16:16
niala	no lolloo not "aliens" "human"	16:16
lolloo	what do you use to program apps for meego CosmoHill please?	16:16
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lolloo	Qt nokia?	16:16
CosmoHill	Qt Creator	16:16
CosmoHill	on my mac I just have the Qt libs installed	16:17
niala	you heart about life in arsenic ?	16:17
lolloo	ok enuf for me, I read it has everything. even Qtopengl	16:17
lolloo	which I need	16:17
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CosmoHill	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyOfUFEjuBA I just enabled google transcribe on this	16:18
niala	if he just install qtcreator for windows he can devel for meego;isn't it?	16:18
CosmoHill	the sub titles are NOTHING like what he is saying	16:18
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lolloo	yes?	16:19
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CosmoHill	Qt apps will work on meego	16:20
lolloo	crossplatform rocks!	16:20
CosmoHill	(you'd have to recompile them but they should work)	16:20
niala	lolloo: wich version of zindoz$ you use	16:20
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CosmoHill	hey w00t_	16:20
niala	32x 64x ?	16:20
lolloo	32	16:20
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CosmoHill	niala: that is the weirdest spelling of windows I have ever seen	16:21
lolloo	hehe me too	16:21
niala	http://download3.meego.com/MeeGoSDK/1.1/meego-1.1-sdk-beta-offline-installer.exe	16:21
lolloo	niala, thanks!	16:21
niala	i m proud of that :)	16:21
lolloo	mmm lemme see now.	16:21
* dm8tbr prefers to spell that wintendo		16:22
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lolloo	zionistwindows	16:22
dm8tbr	it's a graphics adventure, with no walk-through ;)	16:22
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CosmoHill	I just stick with windows	16:22
lolloo	winxp	16:23
lolloo	m$windows	16:23
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niala	If you are using Windows XP, please download a small file vcredist_x86.exe (Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86)) from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=a5c84275-3b97-4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2 and install it to your system	16:24
lolloo	ofcourse	16:24
niala	what a good english, isn't it? :D	16:24
niala	I m a fast copy/paster hehe	16:24
lolloo	yes you are I never noticed! don't tell anyone.	16:25
lolloo	ok here goes. I hope I don't fail at step one!	16:26
lolloo	I will kick myself!	16:26
lolloo	am thinking of making a temprature analysis app for meego.	16:27
lolloo	my phone is HOT!	16:27
niala	n900 with meego hot ?	16:27
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lolloo	yeah	16:27
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niala	ah it's seem like it's happen often this days	16:28
lolloo	they say because of using slow sd card.	16:28
niala	ok yes	16:28
lolloo	it's december! need snow!	16:28
niala	:( not good publicity	16:28
lolloo	shhhh	16:29
niala	lolloo: yes but if you skiiing you can have yours testicles in hot	16:29
lolloo	"testicles" bad word	16:30
lolloo	breast arn't	16:30
niala	sorry	16:31
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lolloo	naah, just having fun.	16:32
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niala	lolloo: your download is finish?	16:34
lolloo	no	16:34
lolloo	slow!	16:34
niala	mmm it's winter, electron are slow	16:35
lolloo	you think! MADD is just slow.	16:35
CosmoHill	what you downlaoding?	16:36
lolloo	meego-core-armv7l-1.1:	16:37
lolloo	very slow.	16:37
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CosmoHill	give me the link	16:37
CosmoHill	please :)	16:38
lolloo	http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows	16:38
niala	CosmoHill: you want make a race ?	16:38
CosmoHill	merci	16:38
CosmoHill	meego sdk offline installer?	16:38
lolloo	yes I think so	16:39
CosmoHill	okay 3 seconds	16:40
CosmoHill	done	16:40
CosmoHill	http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-1.1-sdk-beta-offline-installer.exe	16:40
lolloo	55 mb	16:41
lolloo	but you need install Meego target	16:41
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lolloo	I am downloading meego-core-armv7l-1.1	16:42
CosmoHill	oh	16:42
niala	CosmoHill: you have mirroring all meego ?	16:42
lolloo	for N900	16:42
CosmoHill	niala: no, only what people in here say are slow	16:42
lolloo	would be awesome if someone upload it to hotfile	16:42
lolloo	or megaupload	16:42
niala	CosmoHill: you can do the same for megaupload? :D	16:42
niala	lol lolloo	16:43
CosmoHill	I think I'll stick to the CLFS server	16:43
CosmoHill	no stupid waiting around for the download to even begine	16:43
lolloo	hehe	16:43
dm8tbr	indeed	16:43
lolloo	I have premium.	16:43
dm8tbr	not everyone has	16:44
lolloo	+1 for me YaY	16:44
lolloo	hehe	16:44
CosmoHill	the clfs server is free and has a 200Mb/s connection :)	16:44
lolloo	+1 for CosmoHill \0/	16:44
CosmoHill	I mean literary too, apart from hardware it's free, no data or eletrical payments :D	16:45
lolloo	I need a drink.	16:45
niala	yes but no "holiday" movie on clfs :/ :p	16:45
CosmoHill	only home made ones	16:46
niala	of course, what eles	16:46
niala	else	16:46
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lolloo	omg I got disconnected! and there is no resume capability on MADDE	17:16
lolloo	omg starting again!	17:16
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CosmoHill	hmm, Intel will be ditching support for VGA by 2015	17:29
CosmoHill	http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/12/10/amd-intel-drop-d-sub-support/1	17:29
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niala	WARNING: Failed to parse default value `[????????? ???????;gnome-appearance-properties.desktop,????????? ???????????? ???????????;gnome-default-applications.desktop,?????????? ??????????;system-config-printer.desktop] ' for schema (/schemas/apps/control-center/cc_actions_list)	17:55
niala	on zypper update	17:55
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CosmoHill	that's a lot of question marks	17:56
niala	yes strange	17:57
berndhs	no wonder it can't parse that	17:57
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niala	my mom would say I break everything	17:59
niala	bad bad guy	17:59
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lcuk	are we putting any christmas decorations up around the channel this year?	18:05
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lcuk	.:~:._.:~:._.:~:._.:~:._.:~:._.:~:._.:~:._.:~:._.:~:.	18:06
niala	nice lcuk :) clap clap clap	18:06
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berndhs	ah it warms the heart	18:08
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lcuk	bah, guess thats a no!	18:13
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niala	î î î î î Î Î Î (candles)	18:14
RST38h	<yawn>	18:14
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lardman	quite quiet in here	18:36
RST38h	moo.	18:36
Jaffa	lardman: baa	18:36
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lardman	hey Jaffa, how's things?	18:37
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Jaffa	lardman: Hectic :-(	18:38
Jaffa	And argumentative	18:38
Jaffa	But that's a different story	18:38
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lardman	Oh, sorry to hear that	18:39
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* CosmoHill hugs Jaffa		18:40
* lardman embraces Shiboken and hopes it all just works like magic		18:40
* lardman passes Jaffa a bacon sandwich and a glass of vino		18:41
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CosmoHill	lardman: that's a more manly way to cheer someone up	18:42
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lardman	well I'm busy embracing shiboken and I've only got 2 arms! ;)	18:43
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penguin	hello	18:43
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penguin	how is every one?	18:43
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penguin	is any one here?	18:43
lcuk	yes	18:44
lolloo	yes	18:44
lcuk	but its sunday i am fighting with christmas tree lights	18:44
CosmoHill	I found out that our ladder wobbles	18:44
penguin	lcuk good luck	18:44
CosmoHill	however I was already in the loft when I found this out so I had to wait 2 mins for my bro to come help me	18:44
lardman	what kind of brother do you have, I'd have thought 2hrs was more like it ;)	18:45
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CosmoHill	he was busy playing world of warcraft	18:46
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Jaffa	lardman: Wine and beer sound like a plan.	18:47
Jaffa	lardman: Might kick off the MWKN issue with a sherry	18:47
lardman	:)	18:47
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lardman	now you're sounding Christmasy!	18:47
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Jaffa	lardman: I might put some Slade on too	18:48
lcuk	jaffa I can send you a photo of tracys Christmas cake	18:48
lcuk	its got enough alcohol in it to get you drunk by email	18:48
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lardman	lol	18:48
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Jaffa	lcuk: Sounds like my mum's :-)	18:51
lcuk	:)	18:52
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* CosmoHill flicks a sweet into Stskeeps		18:59
* lardman looks around for his Christmas tunes CD, fearing Holly has finally thrown it away		19:01
CosmoHill	holly +1	19:01
CosmoHill	hmm I wonder	19:01
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lcuk	lardman, have you ever tried putting holly on the Christmas tree?	19:01
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CosmoHill	if number = 1 and you do number = (number++) + 1, what do you get?	19:01
lcuk	3	19:02
lcuk	errr 2	19:02
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berndhs	you get 2. twice	19:02
lardman	lcuk: I'll pass along that little gem, just be careful next time you see her! :D	19:03
lcuk	:D	19:04
lcuk	ok	19:04
lcuk	and lardman, when you do	19:04
lcuk	get photos.	19:04
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lardman	lol	19:04
lardman	Yeah, fist flying towards my face/camera :)	19:05
lcuk	she might find it hard to punch things with tinsel wrapped around her :P	19:05
lardman	hey, how did you know about that ;)	19:06
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lcuk	:P	19:06
lardman	hmm, that is strange, the Python headers seem to have moved since I last used sb	19:08
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lardman	hmm, why can't I get shiboken's pc file to work with my Qt plugin I wonder to myself	19:18
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lardman	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/build/mbarcode/maemo-barcode/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/PythonQTPluginWrapper] > /usr/bin/python2.5	19:22
lardman	bash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory	19:22
lardman	hmm	19:22
lcuk	Stskeeps, regarding alice@ perhaps a more clear representation would be public_record@ and explicitely ask before hand	19:22
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Jaffa	lcuk: How long do you wait for someone to say 'no'?	19:23
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Jaffa	lcuk: Although perhaps there could be a post-public protest whereby it gets taken down	19:24
lcuk	well jaffa, the alternatives as mentioned by Stskeeps would be to just add it anyway which I feel isnt right	19:24
lardman	hmm, is installing the Meego dev tools known to upset SB?	19:25
lcuk	but really, we deal with this now with irc in a way	19:25
lcuk	when important conversation topic come up here, i have been requesting for a long time to make a writeup (and it works generally)	19:26
lcuk	based on the conversation	19:26
lcuk	lardman, I have chroot sdk and sb on same machine and not seemed to get in the way	19:26
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lardman	I've not chrooted, I just did a direct install as everything is installable for lucid	19:27
lardman	but now I'm getting these strange errors and am wondering what's up	19:27
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lcuk	lardman hmm idk, i was told that sb and meego tools played alongside each other and infact didnt know or care about the other	19:28
lardman	what do you make of this? I've not done anything with SB, only installed the Meego dev tools yesterday:	19:29
lardman	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > ls -rtl /usr/bin/python2.5	19:29
lardman	-rwxr-xr-x 1 simon 1000 1028632 May 17 2010 /usr/bin/python2.5	19:29
lardman	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > /usr/bin/python2.5	19:29
lardman	bash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory	19:29
* lardman will be quite happy if it's a school-boy error on his part		19:31
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lardman	lcuk: fyi looks like an incompatibility between qemu-arm-sb and qemu-arm-static used for image building	20:44
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lcuk	o_O lardman	20:47
Jay_BEE	good morning (ugt)	20:47
lcuk	i noticed you said about filing a bug on #maemo	20:47
lcuk	from what can you see, is it intentional and necessary to break it like this, or is it just overlooked and can potentially be worked around	20:48
javispedro	it might be difficult to fix	20:48
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javispedro	it surprises me nobody saw it yet?	20:48
lardman	Perhaps I'll ping Stskeeps or someone on the SDK panel and see what they think?	20:49
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lcuk	not really, with such heavy dependencies, at least community people are downloading images rather than building their own	20:50
kallam	lardman: have you try http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox ?	20:50
lcuk	and those that have been working with images appear to not be same set of folks who have/use sb	20:51
lardman	kallam: ah thanks, didn't see that	20:51
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lardman	well something like that ought to be added to the Meego wiki, which itself needs some help as it is impossible to find anything in it	20:52
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lardman	and I know, wiki and all that, but I'm not an expert on this topic so probably best left to someone who knows what they are doing with sb	20:55
javispedro	I think it just needs a footnote or the like, because making them not conflict would be real hard work (TM)	20:56
javispedro	at, least, aiui.	20:56
javispedro	*at least.	20:56
Stskeeps	i co-exist with them on my setup, personally	20:56
lardman	sure, it just needs an explanation	20:57
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javispedro	Stskeeps: the issue is both binfmt loaders, do you remove/add them when switching or .. ?	20:57
Stskeeps	i'll have to look what i do.. sec	20:58
javispedro	*both having elf-arm binfmt loaders (damn stupid me).	20:58
Stskeeps	javispedro: well, in truth, all it does is to look for a certain binary	20:58
javispedro	well	20:59
javispedro	yeah, so you could a binary that decides what to launch depending on env vars or something. ah.	20:59
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Stskeeps	lcuk: what if transparency was built into the OS itself? (qml app), http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/snapshot1.png	21:01
Stskeeps	re alice	21:01
Stskeeps	clicking one of those roles will list email communication within that role/group/etc	21:02
dm8tbr	Stskeeps: btw - if you have that list of packages handy I'd be interested to know what I'd be getting into (re bootstrapping)	21:05
Stskeeps	dm8tbr: what was it you were planning on doing again?	21:05
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dm8tbr	I'm toying with the idea to rebuild without SSSE3.	21:07
Stskeeps	ah	21:08
Stskeeps	sec	21:08
* Stskeeps grabs		21:08
Stskeeps	http://pastie.org/1370763	21:09
Stskeeps	-x86 and -arm packages not so important	21:09
dm8tbr	nod	21:09
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Stskeeps	you will technically need to bootstrap those from a ssse3 target onto a non-ssse3 target :P	21:10
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dm8tbr	100 packages give or take...	21:13
* dm8tbr wonders though if any of them really use SSSE3 even though built with SSSE3 enabled :>		21:14
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lolloo_	guys i need your help on meego sdk	21:18
lolloo_	i am trying to Configuring device access in Qt Creator	21:18
lolloo_	my device is n900	21:19
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lolloo_	i connect my phone with usb	21:19
lolloo_	how do i know what ip it is using?	21:19
MohammadAG	192.168.2.15	21:19
lolloo_	i want to run my app on it through SSH	21:19
MohammadAG	run ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 on the host OS	21:20
lolloo_	my os is windows xp	21:20
lcuk	Stskeeps, hm? completely different issue, this isn't an os thing, its an email thing which unsurprisingly happens across many oses etc	21:20
lolloo_	is it ok?	21:20
lcuk	but nice that you are trying to build qml stuffs :)	21:20
Stskeeps	lcuk: this would be the interface to access what meego@/alice@ collects	21:21
MohammadAG	lolloo_, no idea how to configure USB networking on it, sorry	21:21
lcuk	well thats not related to a specific implementation and reuqires something completely different?	21:21
Stskeeps	usb networking is always on	21:21
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, I meant on Windows XP	21:21
MohammadAG	well, on Windows* in general	21:22
lcuk	Stskeeps, you can do that now	21:22
lcuk	forgetting alice	21:22
lolloo_	"Could not connect to host"	21:22
lcuk	run it over your mail cache	21:22
lolloo_	when configuring it on qtcreator	21:22
Stskeeps	lcuk: yes, that's what i'm going to start with	21:22
lcuk	i spent much of the year doing similar for integration on fremantle	21:22
Stskeeps	lcuk: as a base model	21:22
MohammadAG	lolloo_, the host doesn't have DHCP, you'll have to figure out how to configure a manual IP for the device on Windows	21:22
lcuk	but thats a front end rather than the data extraction bot	21:23
lolloo_	alright	21:23
MohammadAG	client*, sorry	21:23
Stskeeps	yes, as intended	21:23
lolloo_	so hard!	21:23
lolloo_	windows sucks at this point	21:23
Stskeeps	it's a frontend which is where the data collection shows it's value :P	21:23
lardman	lolloo_: only at this point?	21:23
lcuk	do it now	21:23
lcuk	before alice@	21:23
lcuk	they are 2 different issues	21:23
lolloo_	yes dude keep it like that	21:23
lolloo_	am such noob in linux	21:23
Stskeeps	lcuk: yes, what i'm doing..	21:23
lcuk	all the data exists on normal ML communications	21:23
Stskeeps	:P	21:23
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lcuk	but can qml access your entire mailbox currently	21:24
lcuk	and is it reasonable to expect to search it all	21:24
lcuk	each time	21:24
lcuk	or will there be a cache of the cache	21:24
lolloo_	what about if i use virtualbox? will it work?	21:24
Stskeeps	lcuk: well, in practice, this will wire up against a rss feed or xml stuff	21:24
lcuk	Stskeeps, what you made would be a reasonable plugin onto normal mail client	21:24
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lcuk	and it completely excludes something which I put more weight on than mails: irc ;)	21:25
lolloo_	so you say that all meego developers are using linux?	21:26
lcuk	so many actually public things are discussed and worked on	21:26
lolloo_	no support for windows?	21:26
lolloo_	thats tough.	21:26
Stskeeps	lolloo_: do it over wifi	21:26
lcuk	lolloo_, hm?	21:26
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lcuk	evening spyro \o	21:27
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bef0rd	hey lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu5NnjSKiiA that's what I meant, I added a new entry on extlinux bootloader, and changed the rc.local with something that according to the /proc/cmdline loaded the appropiate UI	21:27
spyro	hiya lcuk :)	21:27
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lcuk	cool bef0rd !!! :D	21:28
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lcuk	bef0rd, would you care to add a new section to the changing_desktop instructions?	21:28
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lcuk	for people who would like to try similar?	21:28
lcuk	http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops	21:28
lcuk	bef0rd, which device is that on by the way?	21:30
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dm8tbr	lcuk: nice	21:30
MohammadAG	wow, meego looks awesome when running at fullspeed :D	21:31
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lcuk	MohammadAG, its great on the ideapad	21:31
* lcuk still considering how to document/file bugs on the things which arent working		21:31
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MohammadAG	lcuk, thinking of buying one	21:32
lcuk	MohammadAG, heh	21:32
javispedro	tbh I would never get it on its own merit alone (ideapad)	21:32
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javispedro	but I guess that considering the fact that most of us here have one...	21:32
MohammadAG	hmm, MeeGo can run on non-atoms right?	21:33
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javispedro	as long as it has intel video and ssse3...	21:34
javispedro	I'd guess.	21:34
lcuk	given enough time, meego will run on arsenic based computers too :P	21:34
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javispedro	quantum-arsenic-optical-biological machines!	21:35
MohammadAG	cool, which handset image do I need to get something similar to the one in the vid?	21:35
MohammadAG	i.e netbook meego + handset UI	21:35
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Stskeeps	hmm?	21:35
javispedro	MohammadAG: grab netbook and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops	21:35
lcuk	MohammadAG, started with just the netbook image	21:35
lcuk	and added a sprinkling of things	21:35
lcuk	and can happily switch between	21:35
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lcuk	and once the IVI instructions catch up and tablet eventually and kde even	21:36
MohammadAG	nice	21:36
lcuk	meego+all its uxes in one place :)	21:36
MohammadAG	ia132 right?	21:36
MohammadAG	s/1//	21:36
infobot	MohammadAG meant: ia32 right?	21:36
lcuk	yes	21:37
* lcuk >> bbl		21:37
* dm8tbr goes - once again looking for an image that will run in his virtualbox		21:37
lolloo_	hey guys, worked on wireless!! OMG ATLAAAAAAAAAAST	21:38
lolloo_	i look like einstien now	21:38
dm8tbr	ah there's an ia32 qemu image, nice, let's try that	21:38
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dm8tbr	hmm is the ia32 qemu image missing much? it looks like it's half the size of the regular ia32 image, 400M less	21:46
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* dm8tbr facepalms - is there a valid reason for the ia32-qemu image being a raw.bz2 inside of a tar.bz2?		21:53
Stskeeps	i think we filed a bug about that	21:53
Stskeeps	:)	21:53
RST38h	it is a single file rather than multiple files?	21:53
dm8tbr	ah, good	21:53
Stskeeps	but can't recall if it was WONTFIX..	21:53
Stskeeps	:P	21:53
dm8tbr	meh	21:54
Stskeeps	ask sage	21:54
dm8tbr	RST38h: there's an xml file.	21:54
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RST38h	dm8tbr: So, can you do tar -jxf file.raw.bz2 and get multiple files?	21:55
dm8tbr	RST38h: it contained 4 files meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-raw/meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.80.9.20101207.1[\.xml\|-sda.raw.bz2\|\.ks\|\.packages]	21:58
RST38h	ok then it is tar indeed	21:58
dm8tbr	running bzip2 twice over a file is just useless (the 3 others have no significant size)	21:59
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npm	what is needed w/ a .raw is to mount it as a filesystem using loopback device https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Mounting_the_hard_disk_image	22:43
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npm	as to putting it inside a tar.gz, it's a free way of compressing it, set correct perms, and get error detection for large files?	22:46
thiago_home	huh?	22:47
npm	re: " facepalms - is there a valid reason for the ia32-qemu image being a raw.bz2 inside of a tar.bz2?"	22:47
npm	i guess double compression is a bug	22:48
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* npm catching up		22:48
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thiago_home	you don't need tar if it's just one file	22:52
RST38h	he says it is multiple files	22:53
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lbt	Stskeeps: ping	23:19
lbt	or DawnFoster...	23:20
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, ping	23:37
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, correct channel? pong	23:37
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dagger	is there a standalone meego SDK for 64bit systems? http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux only lists how to install SDK on pretty much 2 distros	23:48
thiago_home	more distros are forthcoming	23:48
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lolloo_	help guys! i cant flash my phone!	23:50
lolloo_	when i connect the usb and i keep pressing 'u'	23:50
lolloo_	it boots directly to meego	23:50
dagger	I understand it can take time to "support" distro. I'm not really interested in "supported" packages. I would appreciate standard standalone package (like Nokia Qt SDK)	23:50
lolloo_	i cant flash it back to maemo	23:50
dagger	lolloo_: have you tried: start flasher. It will inform you that phone is not connected and will wait till you connect it. Shut down the phone. Do NOT turn it on. Just connect USB cable and wait	23:51
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MohammadAG	on that note, why did you flash the kernel	23:53
thiago_home	dagger: yes, but that doesn't exist yet	23:54
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lolloo_	yes i didnt turn on the phone, i just connected the USB and kept pressing on 'u'	23:54
dagger	thiago_home: if that wouldn't exist, all these packages for fedora and ubuntu couldn't be created :D	23:54
lolloo_	but u-bot keeps loading	23:54
lolloo_	it ignores my 'u' press	23:55
dagger	I just understand it's not publicly available	23:55
thiago_home	dagger: no	23:55
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thiago_home	dagger: you just made a wrong assumption	23:55
thiago_home	dagger: you assumed that there needs to be a set of files in order to create the distro packages	23:55
dagger	thiago_home: I assume you need to have sources to create a package.	23:56
thiago_home	yes, source code	23:56
thiago_home	they are compiled by OBS for each specific distro	23:56
dagger	since I've got qt-creator installed, is there a madde version for meego available as standalone package? I don't really need creator or qt-libraries	23:57
dagger	well, even source location is fine by me	23:57
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