IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2010-12-10

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lbtdm8tbr: we're planning on doing that on the community OBS00:08
lbtthere are some minor issues ... like meego isn't actually rebuildable00:08
lbtdue to very strange version number handling00:09
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kplNedd an access to community OBS00:19
kpNeed*00:19
andre__"access" like what?00:20
andre__and why?00:20
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kpfor creating my own project00:20
kpto build meego sources00:20
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kplbt: I need an access to community OBS for setting up opensource project for meego.00:22
lbtsure00:22
lbt"to build meego sources"  ??00:22
kpyes00:23
lbtdo you want to write/port apps to meego?00:23
lbtor rebuild all of meego ?00:23
kpI want to write apps for meego, and at some point rebuild all of meego too..00:23
lbtwriting apps is fine00:23
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lbtrebuilding it all .. also fine provided you're doing it with an organised group of meego users00:24
kpyes00:24
lbtwe simply don't have the build power to let random people rebuild it all :)00:24
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lbtOK np then - what is your meego account ?00:25
CosmoHillone assignment is done :D00:25
kpwhst if I want to build all meego w/o organised group?00:25
lbt"please don't do that on the community OBS"00:25
kpmy meego account is : kaushikprajapati00:25
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lbtit's a shared resource00:26
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kpI got it00:26
kproger that00:26
lbtthank you :)00:26
lbtdone00:26
kpthanks00:26
lbtincidentally, what would you be trying to achieve in rebuilding it all ?00:26
lbtdifferent CPU I assume00:27
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kpyes00:29
kpI am trying to achieve different CPU00:29
kplbt: not able to login00:29
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lbtwhen did you create your account ?00:30
kplongback ... may be a month ago00:31
lbtwhat url ?00:32
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kpmeego.com/users/kaushikprajapati00:32
lbtwhere are you failing to login ?00:33
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kpbuild.meego.com00:33
lbtbuild.pub.meego.com00:33
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kpfailing on that too00:34
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lbtmmm00:36
kplbt: failing on "build.pub.meego.com" this as well00:36
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lbtyou're in ldap and enabled .... check your pw00:37
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kpi am able to login with same pwd on meego.com site00:38
lbtwhen did you last change your pw ?00:38
kptoday00:38
lbtit may not have sync'ed00:38
lbtit won't have00:38
lbtsorry00:38
kpwhen will it sync then ? any idea?00:39
nialalbt: hello, how to have a list of all rpm already made on public obs ? an url maybe?00:39
lbtkp: I've asked the guy to do it ... but he appears to be busy00:40
kpok..thanks00:40
lbtniala: http://repo.pub.meego.com/ ....00:41
kpAny idea on how to add meego trunk/repository to local OBS??00:41
nialaI suppose that we can't add mp3 and other stuff like that because fo license ?00:41
lbt:D00:41
lbtas it happens....00:42
lbthttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002827.html00:42
lbtso  I suggest you reply to that email and ask how to raise this issue00:43
lbtthe rule is "don't do anything illegal"00:43
lbtof course defining "illegal" is really hard00:43
ptlif the rule was 'do illegal things' it would be like 'the rule is to break the rule', isn't it?00:45
lbtluckily for my tired brain, that's not the rule00:46
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nialaif we make a rpm from mplayer with all codecs included in, maybe they do not see00:50
niala:-/00:50
berndhsyeah and then we tell them in a public, archived channel :)00:51
niala:)00:51
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nialamp3 incredible history... who remembers Napster ?00:54
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lbtI'm not sure how big a deal it is for players00:54
lbtbut that ml thread is the place to start00:54
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timeless_mbpniala: i do01:00
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sivangtimeless_mbp: me too01:45
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hlzxyanybody know about setting up obs-server03:47
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* CosmoHill is still up04:20
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nialaCosmoHill: hello or morning?04:21
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CosmoHillplop niala04:22
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sivangCosmoHill: so am i04:36
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sivangCosmoHill: hitting bed now though, almost morning here04:37
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kaushikhi04:54
kaushikall04:54
kaushiki m trying to do sudo mic-chroot <image>04:54
kaushikand i dnt have rpmbuild command in it04:54
kaushikany idea?04:54
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Termanamorning04:55
kaushikanyone has any idea how to do rpmbuild in ch-root?04:58
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CosmoHillthere is no - in chroot05:00
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CosmoHillalso morning Termana05:00
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berndhsevening05:02
sphinxxxare there an good large multi touch screens out there05:02
sphinxxxunder 80005:02
sphinxxxany*05:02
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CosmoHillIt's 3:30am and my friend has just left05:34
CosmoHillI have 400 words left to do until my assignment05:35
CosmoHillis finished05:35
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michaelg|nokappend the log of #meego? that should make for interesting reading05:40
CosmoHillDude that's horrible, nobody should ever have to read that. It's just SO wrong!05:41
michaelg|nokhehe05:43
berndhsfind a nice babble generator05:44
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CosmoHillI'm chilly05:54
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ichhi, where can i find the SRPM for stuff installed in the handset image? or just the spec files? or just the build logs?07:46
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timophzecke: repo.meego.com07:50
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zecketimoph: anything more specific? all sources/ i have found only contain meego-*.srpm07:52
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timophwhat you're looking for?07:52
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zecketimoph: the spec file for Qt4.7 and the qtwebkit release07:53
zecketimoph: libqtwebkit4.armv7l 2.1~week37-1.607:54
timophI'd look for it in the core repos07:54
zeckesearch the SRPM for this one07:54
zeckeoops.. i get fooled by the bomb symbol of the apache.. I assumed these are coredumps. :)07:54
timoph:)07:54
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timophzecke: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/source/qt-4.7.0-1.53.src.rpm07:56
zecketimoph: thanks, the hint that 'core' is a directory helped07:56
timophwebkit stuff is in a separate srpm07:56
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timophbut it's in the same directory07:57
zecketimoph: would you know where to find build logs? they should be available on build.meego.com but that requires a login. :(07:57
zeckealready downloading both, and the web-runtime07:57
timophdunno if they're visible anywhere else07:57
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zuhHmm, is there any coding convention documentation for contributions to meego components? (obviously following existing style, but is there anything written down...)08:57
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alteregog'moaning09:17
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abstract3d"Get an image or tarball (with a UX) from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/; either a netbook or handset image." but wich one do i need for aava?09:19
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abstract3dhttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/ from here i suppose09:19
abstract3dbut what is, mtf & mtf-devel09:19
alteregoFor 1.1 yup09:19
alteregoneego touch framework09:19
alteregomeego ..09:19
alteregobbl09:20
abstract3dalterego: so i need mtf-devel or just mtf?09:20
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abstract3dalterego: ping09:59
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abstract3dit's "saying Get an image or tarball (with a UX) from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/; either a netbook or handset image.", into this guide http://wiki.meego.com/Building_a_MeeGo_chroot_on_Linux10:00
abstract3dbut wich one file is that i have to download? :/10:00
Stskeepsaren't those guides fairly old?10:01
abstract3di want to build qemu from source10:02
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abstract3dand i have to do that, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools @Build and install kernel and modules10:02
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abstract3dalso, when trying to do "extlinux --install /tmp/handset/boot/extlinux" it drops me a segmetation fault10:09
abstract3dhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools10:10
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santamaHello, how should I use gstreamer with openmax on N900? I mean, it seems that there was no openmax impl in the binaries, right?11:47
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CosmoHillyay both assignments are printed off :D12:30
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lcukbug 7790 concerns me.12:49
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot12:49
Stskeepsmeh, we have to use upstream kernel so omap3 pm is next step12:50
Stskeepswe're working on it, honest12:50
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lcukI do not doubt it Stskeeps and I am not trying to focus on specific work for you, theres 505 people here and if they knew the components and actual issues required to be worked on, perhaps one of them could help12:53
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Stskeepslcuk: OMAP3 PM enabling, basically12:54
Stskeepsin kernel12:54
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lcukStskeeps, are the modules there, but broken, at the moment?  what prevents using the same modules that maemo on n900 uses?  (are kernels *that* different?12:57
TermanaIt should already be "being worked on" by the linux-omap guys12:57
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dnearyMoin12:58
dnearyWhy wouldn't people package the MeeGo netbook UX under a brand unrelated to MeeGo?12:58
dnearyLike Ubuntu & Unity12:58
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dnearyseems like that would solve most of these trademark issues12:58
Termanalcuk, in answer to "are kernels that different" - yes they are - you can't just transplant old modules to a new kernel12:58
Stskeepsdneary: i opened a policy bug regarding meego 'sub-projects'.. sec12:59
dneary(actually, replacing MeeGo with Ubuntu or Unity respectively really helps understand the trademark issue for me)12:59
dnearyImaging if Unity *were* called Ubuntu Desktop or something12:59
Stskeeps:nod:12:59
Termanalcuk, also, if your talking about modules for OMAP3 PM, you don't get modules built for this part of the functionality since it's built into board support parts of the kernel12:59
Stskeepshttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1110512:59
dnearyOr Ubuntu Netbook12:59
dnearyThen of course Canonical would get antsy about having "Debian Ubuntu Netbook", "Red Hat Ubuntu Netbook", "Suse Ubuntu Netbook"13:00
dnearyor "Ubuntu Netbook for SuSe"13:00
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dnearyor whatever13:00
dnearyBut by branding it Unity, the origin issue & conflation with OS is avoided13:00
dnearyUnity for Debian is still Unity, but it's also Debian13:00
Stskeepsdneary: the trademark policy in place isn't so much different from what other projects use, yeah..13:01
dnearyThe request from smeegol & debian-meego is about packaging software13:01
dnearyNot making a total system13:01
Robot101dneary: so if the netbook UX had a name != MeeGo, it could be so-called on non-MeeGo systems13:02
dnearyStskeeps, I just think that branding the UX software the same as the underlying system was a mistake, and one we can still fix13:02
dnearyRobot101, Zacly13:02
Stskeepsdneary: yeah, but it isn't going to stop there.. remember MeeGo Touch13:02
Stskeeps?13:02
Stskeeps:P13:02
dnearyRobot101, In the Moblin days it used to be called MyZone13:02
Stskeepshence we need a policy going forward13:02
dnearyStskeeps, Then we have to start knocking heads & say "your software is for MeeGo, it's not MeeGo"13:03
dnearyThe software can run on any distro13:03
dnearyAnd "MeeGo Touch on Ubuntu Netbook Edition" is just horrible13:03
dnearyYou want to give credit where due, without consumer confusion13:03
dnearySo avoid brand extension13:03
dnearyMeeGo the brand = an entire system13:04
dnearysoftware written for it can be "...for MeeGo" or "MeeGo certified" if it meets the conditions13:04
Stskeepsi agree13:04
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slainedneary: bzzzzt, not correct13:07
slainewe had EXACTLY the same problem with Moblin as we do with MeeGo13:07
slaineMoblin == Whole OS13:08
slaineMoblin UX == Netbook UI13:08
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slaineUbuntu Moblin Remix == Ubuntu netbook wth Moblin UX13:08
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dnearyslaine, Ah13:09
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dnearyslaine, Not MyZone13:10
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slaineNo, MyZone was and still part of the UX13:10
slaineIt's the main panel13:10
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slaineOr the home panel I guess would be a better name given the icon13:11
slaineI was surprised they made the same mistake13:11
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slaineWe're already starting to see some of the issues as a community that I spent a lot of time dealing with on #moblin13:11
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slainenamely, someone joins the channel for support of their os, Says its moblin or meego but it turns out they're running Fedora or Ubuntu with the UX on13:12
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dneary:)13:13
dnearyslaine, That's when you know you have brand dilution13:14
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dnearyslaine, What'd you make of shy developer syndrome article, if you read it?13:14
slaineThey get sent back and forth between the #fedora channel and the #meego13:16
slaineSorry, meant to press return on that a few mins back, was distracted my shiney things13:16
slainedneary: It's on my open tabs but I've not had a chance to read over it full ( I think I got about half way before a meeting)13:17
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dnearyOoh shiny things13:25
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Myrttikyb3R_: ping13:25
jnwipong13:27
jnwioops13:27
jnwisorry, reflex ;)13:27
Myrttilordy :-P13:28
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lcuklardman, hey, question - does matlab integrate with c# and .net?  I thought it had its own language14:10
lcuk(just spotted a design engineer job posting which made me curious)14:10
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lardmanlcuk: MATLAB can call external code, whatever Java can call basically, and likewise can be embedded14:12
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lardmanreboot time, ff has gone mad14:16
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kyb3Rannouncement: Former Meegolandia is now MeeGo Network Finland, the first regional MeeGo Network. More information can be found from the old domain: http://meegolandia.com/14:36
kyb3Rnew domain is http://meegonetwork.fi and for the summit: http://summit.meegonetwork.fi14:36
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rauli_in the ancient ruins of hervanta?14:44
iekkuwho what?14:44
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x_O Hi, is there any chance to gain access to bugzilla rest api at bugs.meego.com? is this resource public? (that question could be repeated because of xchat timeout)14:57
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lcuklardman, didn't know, anyway the job I saw was posted from ARM guy Alban Rampon earlier today on twitter http://twitter.com/AlbanRampon/status/13196919299899392  perhaps you know people who may be interested15:04
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lardmancheers lcuk15:06
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qgilN900hi, found a tweet about meego images now being build daily. Is there a mail or something with more info to link from @meegocom? thanks http://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/1321351368619622416:04
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lollooyeah sure16:08
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lollooone moment qgilN90016:08
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slaineWhat's the diff between ia32 and ia32-pinetrail ?16:09
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lollooqgilN900, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/16:10
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lollooI think it touch framework slaine16:11
qgilN900lolloo thanks, but I'm asking for an email of someone explaining the change, reasons, whether this is a test or new process...16:11
slaineright16:11
lolloothere is a log qgilN90016:11
slaineStskeeps might know qgilN90016:12
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lolloolook for changelog in repo16:12
lcukqgilN900, daily trunks have been available for at least hte last 3 months16:12
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lcukhttp://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=190016:12
lcukyou thanked osmeone who mentioned how to get it on their device16:12
lolloohttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/16:13
lcukor is that last month, hmm checking date format16:13
qgilN900still can't if this daily-trunk was indeed created now, why, if it's going to stay, some explanations of a maintainer16:14
lolloolast date is 10 december16:15
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lcukqgilN900, actually, bug 8502 will be related16:19
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8502 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, Publishing daily .ks files with the daily repos16:19
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tybolltlcuk: has the gfx accel stuff been merged w/ trunk yet?16:21
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lcukalso bug 920816:22
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9208 nor, High, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, As of Oct 29th Trunk:Testing and Trunk:Daily do not build for N90016:22
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lcuktybollt, not sure16:22
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magius_pendragonI keep wanting to install software thta's not in the meego repositories. Is there a safe way of adding more? I tried adding the suse oss repo, but it looks like it's going to break a lot of things (and the software I wanted still doesn't work :/)16:30
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Chanimagius_pendragon: get a community obs account and become a packager? ;)16:32
lcukmagius_pendragon, get involved in the ITP/request queue16:32
magius_pendragonChani,lcuk: not sure what either of those mean / entails16:32
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP16:33
ChaniITP?16:33
lcukthen read16:33
Chaniah, neat16:33
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magius_pendragonAlright then, thanks16:36
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lcukhahaha lol, son saying his web data allowance is being used up very quickly17:03
lcukhe said "he was only going on facebook and not downloading anything"17:04
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c_nickAnyone attending FOSS.in ? :)17:26
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CosmoHillaaahhh17:35
CosmoHillthat reminds me of structsa17:35
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tho1does there exists updated guidie of this http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vljn for meego v1.1?18:16
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tho1okay, i've found something: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2117 .....18:17
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tho1can't wait when i'll get ssd and install MeeGo v1.1 on it, i just can't stand windows any more18:19
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gnugrhello all, can i install meego os on LG mobile?18:26
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wmaronegnugr: maybe18:27
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wmaronedepends on how much effort you're willing to put into it ;)18:27
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gnugrfull installing18:28
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tho1is there any statement of MeeGo developers telling when nvidia (ion) will be officially supported by MeeGo?18:31
tybolltwhen nvidia releases documentation?18:31
tybollthrrhrr18:31
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andyrosstho1: Really it comes down to when Ion will be supported by the X.org project.  MeeGo is just a downstream consumer.  It may be that particular hardware vendors will include support for any given  Ion device (I have no knowledge).  But core MeeGo is limited to shipping stuff from the upstream projects.18:34
tho1users vljn and gordons had successfully installed proprietary nvidia drivers and they confirmed that hardware acceleration is working, so for what do we need nvidia documentation? (I guess for noveau)18:35
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tho1so, it's a matter of time...18:36
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tho1anyway, i'm going to make use of existing tutorials how to install meego with nvidia.18:37
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vgradetho1, the key is getting the proprietary drivers to match the currently shipping MeeGo X version, we have similar issues even with Intel EMGD drivers18:40
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vgradetho1, another part of Intel I must say, not the MeeGo chaps18:41
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dnearyHi18:48
dnearyAnyone know of any devices shipping with MeeGo already?18:49
Robot101amino's STBs?18:49
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Robot101and the tablet with the crazy UI and they're really proud how it's not meego18:49
wmaronenothing that qualifies as "compliant" yet18:49
Robot101('s UX)18:49
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tripzeroRobot101, you mean the weetab thingy?18:51
Robot101tripzero: yeah18:51
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tripzerolol18:51
arfollweetab and amino STBs are meego core compliant18:51
* odin_ grumbes about lack of meego-dev participation in IPv618:52
* alterego wonders if more maemo devs would be willing to hack on meego if some of the stock apps ran on maemo.18:52
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tripzeroalterego, a lot of them could... if the maemo devs fixed meegotouch18:53
odin_dm8tbr, I hope you are putting a reply together?  :)18:53
odin_berndhs, and you Bernd!18:54
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Aardodin_: ipv6 is old and boring18:55
odin_indeed but non-function in MeeGo at this time18:55
odin_s/function/functional/18:55
infobotodin_ meant: indeed but non-functional in MeeGo at this time18:55
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alteregotripzero: it doesn't work?18:56
Aarderr, why does infobot do translations for people to stupid to understand basic regex?18:56
tripzeroalterego, not in any way people can actually build things against it18:56
alteregoUrgh18:56
tripzeroi must say i haven't tried it in a couple months though18:56
tripzeromaybe it's fixed by now18:57
alteregoI can't even find it in the repositories ..18:57
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tripzeroit's in extras-devel iirc18:57
alteregonope18:57
tho1does meego-netbook have specific optimizations for intel atom/c2d processors?18:57
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tho1(i mean, does meego runs faster on these machines because of that it's only for atom or c2d)18:58
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tripzerotho1, it should be optimized19:03
tripzerofor the atom19:03
odin_is there any control to the sleep/hinbernate/whatever... I want to maybe re-purpose the IdeaPad mute button, for double/triple click to screen blank, and to screen blank and disable lid-close shutdown19:03
tripzeroodin_, pm-utils?19:03
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odin_thanks noted for laters, and is the little button above the escape,with the "Return" or "back/previous" looking icon also on the regular keymap19:08
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javispedroodin_: seemingly not19:10
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javispedroI think it can be read by directly accessing the EC, but that sounds a bit dangerous and potentially unportable to me.19:11
melcis any debian based meego available ?19:11
odin_hmm yes what I suspected or a kernel driver tweak can make is visible?19:11
odin_is it used for the Lenovo BIOS/management-partition quick restore function19:12
alteregoHeh, mtf doesn't compile because a load of files don't have a new line at the end of them ..19:12
alteregoWhich is fun19:14
alteregoFound three files with this issue.19:14
alteregoProbably why mtf failed to build in maemo builder19:14
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odin_it generates a keyboard interrupt, only if you hold it down a moment :)  so I guess it maybe possible to see it19:18
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odin_would be good to hold the mute button down, and use the touch screen to drag, to alter volume19:21
odin_maybe up/down for brightness19:22
javispedroodin_: ah, that's nice to know (having to hold it)19:23
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odin_no I'm just thinking out load, it does not do that at this time19:24
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javispedroit does19:26
javispedroholding generates F8 scancode here19:26
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odin_it is aliased to F8 in X11, but is really a unique scancode further up input stack ?19:27
javispedroyep19:27
javispedro66 at linux input layer19:27
odin_ok good19:28
javispedro(which is F8 on usual PC)19:28
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lbtjchang: always good to ask in here rather than /msg20:57
lbtso ... just checking, that's opensource code?20:58
jchangYes.20:58
lbtok....20:59
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jchangThanks.20:59
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lbtmmm we're having sync issues and the only guy who can fix it isn't about right now .... sorry21:00
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lbtjchang: sorted21:17
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kaushikwhat password I require to login into https://api.meego.com/? Is ti same as https://build.pub.meego.com?22:01
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kaushik what password I require to login into https://api.meego.com/? Is it same as https://build.pub.meego.com?22:04
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Sagekaushik: api.meego.com is the api for build.meego.com. I would think it would be api.pub.meego.com or something similar22:24
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kaushikok ..let me try22:24
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kaushikSage: that works22:32
kaushikthanks22:32
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Sagekaushik: np22:49
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npm is the source code available for the nokia youtube uploader app ( http://store.ovi.com/content/39065?clickSource=publisher+channel )23:15
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lcuknpm, this is #meego, is that app available here?23:18
npmlcuk -- i know that, i want to do my homework before reinventing the wheel for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com23:20
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npmthe answer in #maemo was "probably not"23:21
lcuknpm, wasnt the question about that to build it in qml?23:21
npmyes23:21
npmbut it's gotta be a hybrid of qml and c++23:22
lcukand as for reinventing the wheel, hasn't the uploader app been already written in multiple language and platforms23:22
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npmso if i can take existing c++ code ...23:22
lcukis there already a qt generic open imple,entation?23:22
npmyes it has23:22
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lcukif so, try building that direct on meego?23:22
npmnot that i know of, and there's a diff between http://youtube-direct.googlecode.com and regular youtube uploading23:23
lcukpass, you are seemingly more knowledgable than I, contact the app developer/maintainer and see whether its open (for the ovi one you noticed)23:23
npmthe app developer is "Nokia"23:24
npmwhich is why i asked here, since Nokia people23:24
npmare here23:24
magius_pendragonis there any twitter client that works on meego? the built in one won't cut it, and I can't get any of the other ones i"ve found to build23:24
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Messangerworld leaders setting you all up right now to get microchipped by RFID microchips with identity/healthcare/credit information into their new world order why they are folding the economy , their solution to the problem they are causing is the RFID microchip  http://www.scribd.com/doc/44997148/The-Mark-of-the-Beast    Romans 10:13 all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.23:31
berndhsI should package my twitter client, so that people like magius_pendragon can complain about it :)23:31
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aukesigh, more spam23:32
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MohammadAGHmm, what's the difference between the n900 and n900-devel images?23:33
aukedebug rpms and headers are installed on -devel23:34
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magius_pendragonberndhs: the problem with meego's is i need multiple twitter accounts. The problem with most web-based oens I've seen is te same, and hootsuite was way too slow23:34
MohammadAGauke, ta23:35
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DawnFostermagius_pendragon: I had tweetdeck installed on 1.023:36
DawnFosterhaven't tried it with 1.123:36
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magius_pendragonDawnFoster: I've been avoiding air, but I'll check it out23:41
DawnFostermagius_pendragon: yeah, not ideal, but might be good enough until we get more native apps23:42
magius_pendragonDawnFoster: thanks, I'll try that and see if it's good enough23:42
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dm8tbrodin_: mh, need to look at the ml. currently I'm mainly using mutt without threading and only one mailbox. need to change that asap23:45
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odin_dm8tbr, ok no worries I'm just trying to press for some response, ideas and consensus23:49
dm8tbrodin_: sure, some decisive ipv6 movement won't hurt :)23:49
odin_dm8tbr, Carsten suggested a working group but would be good to have mailing list discussion first to mark out the corners in discovering requirements23:51
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dm8tbrodin_: well, I guess we won't get around doing it bottom up, start with the kernel, then libc (including resolving, preverences, gaia.conf etc), then all other userspace23:54
dm8tbrodin_: and we better stick to the RFCs, else we'll get burnt pretty well. that is we should do ipv6 > ipv4 not the other way around. if a vendor wants it different, they should change it, we should do it according to standards.23:55
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odin_dm8tbr, I don't understand the context i your reference to RFCs, as in.... we don't have to write an IPv6 implementation (i.e. the RFC mandated stuff is already created), we just need to massage it into the MeeGo platform in a usable way23:58
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