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CosmoHillcyas02:13
niala night CosmoHill02:13
CosmoHill backup && sudo shutdown -h now02:14
CosmoHillbye02:14
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* ljp wonders how connman can consistantly fail to configure a wired network..02:23
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berndhsljp: its easy02:28
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ljpeasy for connman02:42
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magius_pendragonI've got meego on a netbook that I'm converting to a slate. I have 2 questions: 1) How's the Tablet UX coming? Is it possible to get ahold of it? Not afraid to do soem devel. 2) Is there any extra framework I should be aware of to make the UI touch-aware?03:57
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ljphmm.. the 'preview' repo does not seem to be there anymore04:39
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Alison_Chaikengithogori, kimitake and I will hold with night.06:56
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kimitakehi, Alison, do you have meego pub obs account?07:28
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npmre: <thiago_home> QTDIR means nothing at all ... --> does QTDIR not exist on Meego's Qt??08:03
npmfor example http://qtjambi.sourceforge.net/development/building/ "QTDIRYou need to set a few environment variables for this: On Linux modifying compile.sh is most likely the easiest way, on Windows you can add the needed paths in the correct order to have proper Qt- and other tools"08:04
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Stskeepsljp: there's 'daily' repos now08:06
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ljpI saw that but see no mention of removal of the preview repos on the mailing list/forum, but I could have easily missed it08:07
Alison_ChaikenHey, kimitake, I didn't create an obs account.   I've been failing with mic2 today instead.08:08
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: the good thing about failing with mic2 is that once you get over that hurdle, everything else seems easy :P08:09
Stskeepsljp: yeah, they forgot to mention that one, but since preview is basically 'daily image on friday'..08:09
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: what errors are you getting?08:13
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, I spent pretty much all day mulling over panda.ks, looking through the repos, reading mic2 docs, etc.   Finally I compiled and made a new SD card and booted the Panda.   The Panda said /boot was unreadable!   So then I reformatted the card and started all over, resulting in the same error.    This is all amazing since when I put the stock Panda image on a card, it went smoothly.   Maybe the stupid SD card is bad.08:30
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Alison_ChaikenBut at least my new filesystem, even though it can't be booted, has emacs rather than vim.  Tomorrow is another day.08:32
Alison_ChaikenBy the way, if you have upgraded to Fedora 14, mic-image-creator no longer works, because F14 has python-2.7 rather than python-2.6.   F14 repos don't have a new mic2 rpm, but it's easy to get mic2 from git repo and build it (make, make install).08:34
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: so, you took the raw output of mic2 and wrote it to sd?08:34
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Stskeepsif so, i can explain why08:35
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, I carefully followed the instructions on the OMAP4/MeeGo website.   The first time, it worked like a charm with the stock image.   Not sure why my new image has a broken /boot unless the chip is bad.   I changed the ext3 filesystem, not /boot.08:35
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: url?08:36
Stskeepsso the problem is that omap bootloaders need a bizarre partition support08:36
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Stskeepssupport/setup08:36
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda08:36
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Stskeepswe are working to have mic2 auto generate that, so you take .raw image and write straight to sd08:37
Alison_ChaikenAnd http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/SD_Configuration08:37
Alison_ChaikenHmm, the first time I went through the procedure exactly as outlined on those pages.08:38
Stskeepsmake bootable sd in first guide?08:39
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Alison_ChaikenYep, I used fdisk to make first partition bootable and VFAT as per instructions.   I'll check tomorrow that first SD card still boots and then try again with third one.08:40
Stskeepsah, you need the bizarre cylinder stuff too08:40
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Alison_ChaikenYep, I used fdisk to format 480 cylinders on a 4GB card.   Our local electronics store is infamous for rewrapping returns and reshelving them.    I am suspicious!08:41
Stskeepsso 255 heads/63 sectors/480 cylinders? as in 'configure sd card'?08:42
Alison_ChaikenPrecisely Stskeeps.    Worked for 1st SD card, not for second.   If first and third work tomorrow, second goes in trash!   Thanks for your help and encouragement too.08:43
Alison_ChaikenG'night all.08:43
Alison_ChaikenSoitelaan huomenta, or something like that.08:44
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Stskeepsnite08:44
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kimitakeAlison_Chaiken: good night08:45
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lardmanmorning09:40
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lardmann=night?09:42
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kismeterwho know how to build a debug qt, meego provide release qt by default09:54
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lardmanyou probably add something like QT_DEBUG as a flag09:59
lardmanhttp://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/debug.html says how to disable it using the QT_NO_DEBUG flag09:59
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thiago_homekismeter: recompile it10:08
thiago_homebut you don't need to unless you want to debug inside Qt10:08
thiago_homeif you want to debug your own code only, do what lardman said10:08
kismeterthiago_home:I know need recompile it, but where should I change the release to debug10:10
kismeterlardman:I want to recompile the qt core to be debug. when I debug meego application, I can deep into qt code10:12
lardmanWell you need to recompile Qt itself with that flag then10:13
lardmanwhy do you need to look deep into Qt anyway?10:13
kismeterjust for fun10:15
kismeteranybody done that before? should I modify the spec file?10:16
lardmanedit the pro file probably10:16
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lardmanor does it need to bootstrap10:16
thiago_homejust modify the spec file10:17
thiago_homechange "-release" to "-debug"10:17
kismeterthiago_home:but I can't find it10:17
thiago_homewhat can't you find?10:17
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kismeterthiago_home:http://pastebin.com/H3cqZFzj10:20
kismeterthiago_home:it's my qt.spec no -release10:22
thiago_homeadd -debug to the configure (line 580)10:24
thiago_home-release is the default10:24
kismeterthiago_home:thanks10:25
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zinitmorning10:28
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Meklbt: is there any progress on Team: projects on the community obs? Anything I can do to get that moving forward?11:14
lbtthere isn't yet11:14
JaffaMorning, all11:14
lbthey Jaffa11:14
lbtMek: we need to get some policy discussions going11:15
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lbtI'm hoping the holiday season will see some community tasks getting attention11:15
dm8tbrStskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS&diff=23153&oldid=1997911:15
Stskeepsthanks11:16
dm8tbrnp11:16
dm8tbrI skipped the example qemu-img command-line as a person setting up obs should be able to comprehend and apply the linked man page :)11:16
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Stskeepsthat's much to ask11:18
Stskeeps:P11:18
dm8tbr'built in security feature' ;)11:18
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dm8tbrlbt: aard told me about boss, is the source public yet? I'm considering to propose a setup for our internal meego competence development project.11:19
lbtyes it is public and open11:20
lbtwe're using it in production11:20
lbtbut it is not 'productised'11:20
lbtthere are rpms11:20
dm8tbrthey would go onto an obs install?11:21
lbtbut documentation and initial setup is not "trivial"11:21
lbtalongside11:21
dm8tbr*nod*11:21
lbtwe'd be happy to assist though11:21
dm8tbrI'll try to propose this and will come back asking for pointers and help if it gets a go-ahead11:21
lbtjust setting expectations11:21
dm8tbrsure11:21
lbtit is being deployed RSN in meego core and community11:22
lbtand I've had interest expressed from a couple of vendor type11:22
lbts11:22
lbtso getting those "kickstart" shortcomings addressed is in the plans11:22
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Venemo_N900is it now possible to have a phone call on MeeGo using the earpiece and not the loudspeakers?12:25
Stskeepswe're working on policy rules still afaik12:26
Venemo_N900what are these policy rules?12:26
Stskeepsbasically what handles let's say "plug in headset -> route audio to headset12:26
Stskeepstc12:26
Venemo_N900ah12:27
alteregoControl logic for pulse12:27
Venemo_N900understandable12:27
Stskeepsand everything else12:27
Venemo_N900is there an ETA for this component?12:27
Stskeeps'in works'12:27
Stskeepsit has to work on several platforms, verticals and devices, so12:27
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Venemo_N900ok12:28
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Venemo_N900my other question is, how are the drivers for the N900?12:29
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Venemo_N900are they complete now or there are things still missing?12:29
alteregoCamera, GPS aren't in yet12:30
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Stskeepscamera's in works12:30
alteregoOh, okay.12:30
Venemo_N900and all others are done?12:30
Stskeeps\\\12:30
alteregoCIR is untested, but I was gonna look into that this afternoon or tomorrow.12:30
Venemo_N900eg. leds, vibra, fmtx, modem, etc?12:31
Stskeepsmodem works12:31
zinithas anyone put a 3g card in the S10 and got it working yet?12:31
Stskeepsleds do12:31
alteregofmtx is probably not available yet, or fmrx for that matter :)12:31
StskeepsVenemo_N900: best thing to do is to just try it out. it's an ongoing project12:31
tybolltStskeeps: how does the meego project deal w/ binaries such as the graphics etc? Will they be stored in a separate "vendor secific" tree or?12:31
zinitonly been trying with a vodafone usb so far, and that one I got working12:32
Venemo_N900Stskeeps: I would, but I don't have a spare N900 :(12:32
zinit(mini pci 3G cards cost more than my budget so far)12:32
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Stskeepstybollt: we have a 'non-oss' section which contains royalty-free redistributable binaries12:33
Venemo_N900Stskeeps: anyway, I'm happy there's progress :)12:33
tybolltStskeeps: in the same tree? Nice.12:33
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tybolltStskeeps: also do you get intel/nokia legal dept support for the binaries, so there's no BS down the road wrt licensing etc (you know, the usual drama)?12:34
Stskeepstybollt: it's in Trunk:non-oss, nothing in Trunk depends on it, so it's not mixed12:35
Stskeepstybollt: and do you think we'd get permission to put things there without lawyers looking at it? :P12:35
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tybolltStskeeps: No, of course not :)12:35
Stskeepsso things should be fine12:36
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tybolltStskeeps: But as for all things open source - if you don't focus a bit on those issues right at the start they are bound to come back and bit you in the ass later on. :)12:36
tybolltBut, that sounds reassuring...12:36
Stskeepstybollt: of course12:37
Venemo_N900Stskeeps: talking about the N900, what drivers are closed and which are open?12:37
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alteregoVenemo_N900: closed, mainly, SGX driver12:38
StskeepsVenemo_N900: BME, SGX and two pulseaudio modules and that's about it, i think12:39
alteregoProbably firmware for bluetooth and wireless12:39
Stskeepsand firmwar12:39
Stskeepse12:39
alteregoWhat pa modules?12:39
Stskeepssome related to speaker protection and 3gpp stuff12:39
alteregoHrm12:39
Stskeepsit's to avoid 'trouble on the gsm network'12:39
Stskeepsso12:39
Venemo_N900Stskeeps: and are these drivers rebuilt for each new kernel release?12:40
alteregoVenemo_N900: they're rebuilt for every build12:40
StskeepsVenemo_N900: userspace, kernel drivers are oss12:40
Stskeepsno closed bits in kernel12:40
Venemo_N900so no need to rebuild them either?12:41
Stskeepspretty much12:41
Venemo_N900that's even better than my Linux desktop12:42
alteregoWell, not as much hardware to support ;)12:42
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Venemo_N900for my desktop, I have to rebuild my wlan driver each time the kernel is updated12:44
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Venemo_N900also the akmod has to rebuild the nvidia graphics driver for me12:44
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Stskeepseven xorg driver is open, so it's 'as good as it gets'12:46
Stskeeps:P12:46
Venemo_N900nice12:46
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Venemo_N900Stskeeps: what's the situation with Gtk/Hildon? Who won the €50000?12:49
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StskeepsVenemo_N900: no clue - i haven't heard of any work going on12:53
Venemo_N900Stskeeps: has there been any applications at all?12:53
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StskeepsVenemo_N900: i think the weighing is really effort of making hildon+gtk work nicely vs just recoding things in qml+qt12:56
Stskeeps:P12:56
lcukdifferent groups of people12:56
Venemo_N900hehe, yeah12:56
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Venemo_N900still, I could use the cash :P12:56
lcukVenemo_N900, i told you when it was published, review your logs and speak with the people I mentioned then about a proposal12:57
Venemo_N900lcuk, I have no logs, but I remember you telling me12:57
Venemo_N900lcuk: I had no free time at all for this kind of thing back then.12:57
* lcuk nods12:58
Venemo_N900lcuk, but approx. in a week, my free time'll increase a lot12:58
lcukyup as you said12:58
Venemo_N900so, did those guys start working on it?13:00
lcukidk i have other things to take my time13:00
rumohrwhich devices are already sold with meego? any?13:01
Venemo_N900rumohr: I don't think so, but would be surprised if there's any13:01
rumohrk, thx13:01
rumohrand it is, by now, only possible to get it running on N900?13:02
rumohrand netbooks, etc..13:02
rumohri mean mobile devices13:02
Venemo_N900rumohr: nope, there's the aava handset, a bunch of netbooks, and some people're also making ports for htc devices13:03
rumohri am writing an essay about meego.. thats why i am asking such dumb ;)13:03
rumohrok13:03
Venemo_N900rumohr: there is also a porting guide, so anyone can start their port any time13:03
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rumohryes, i saw. thx13:04
Venemo_N900rumohr: you can find more info on meego.com's articles13:04
rumohryes, i know. i nearly live on that page for days ;)13:05
Venemo_N900rumohr: okay13:06
Venemo_N900rumohr: what kind of essay is it that you're writing?13:06
lbtDawnFoster: ping ... is anything being done about the lost mail archives?13:07
rumohri am studiyng economical informatics and we got an seminar with the topic "mobile OS".. i got meego, some others android, iOS, RIM, etc...13:07
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Stskeepslbt: the double-gzip archive problem?13:07
rumohrshould become a presentation of an hour..13:07
lbtStskeeps: no http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2010-October/thread.html13:08
lbtmany are missing13:08
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Stskeepslbt: we probably need to file a bug for that13:08
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lbthttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1090913:14
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StskeepsCC\ed13:18
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lbtI'm back on the "meego version numbering is broken"13:21
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lbtyou simply can't tell when a bug was fixed13:22
Stskeepswell, that's why people start referring to SR#'s nw13:22
lbtseriously?13:22
lbtwe don't care that we can't locate which rpm a bugfix appears in?13:23
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lbtthe changelog doesn't tell us13:24
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* CosmoHill is kinda stuffed >.<13:29
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lcukStskeeps, SR# ?13:32
lcuklbt do you have a bug relating to the versioning?13:33
CosmoHillcan anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial for internet sockets13:33
lbtlcuk: No... not yet13:33
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lbtI think I'll have to13:33
lcukyes13:34
CosmoHillI need to program a hybrid ftp / chat program but I'm kinda stumped :(13:34
lbtlcuk: it's something I bump into ... not sure who else does13:34
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ptlftp/chat?13:34
lbtit should be a high level release overview thing13:34
lbtand a QA issue13:34
CosmoHillyeah, not I can kinda do the chat bit13:35
CosmoHillbut the sever crashes whenever the client disconnects13:35
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lcuklbt http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-10-29.log.html#t2010-10-29T20:03:0213:37
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lcukit effects more than you13:38
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lbthttp://www.mail-archive.com/meego-packaging@meego.com/msg00415.html13:39
lbtthere is also an issue that we need to support changes to packages in 1.1 when 1.2 is out13:39
lbtI wonder if auke has a solution there?13:39
lcukof course, backporting is essential for any production system13:39
CosmoHillright I'm gonna go into uni and panic13:40
lbtbut how do you manage the versioning of the package?13:40
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lcuklbt in simpler times, we had enough leeway with our packages that could commit a whole range of changes between the 2 major releases and not conflict13:41
lbtyeah13:41
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lbtOK .... a new question: What does package versioning need to do?13:42
MoL0ToVhi to all! i have a n97-mini. someone know if exist a way to run linux kernel on nokia N-series? i can help testing13:42
captainigloohi, I see on the meego wiki that it's possible to install meego on an HTC Desire, (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#HTC_Desire)13:43
captainigloobut i can't find any infos about the kernel use and the modifications done on the meego rootfs13:43
captainigloosomebody have infos about it ?13:43
lcukMoL0ToV, not sure, its not our specific focus here, please try internet search and once you know more you could come and report back13:44
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lcukcaptainigloo, goto #meego-arm as said on that page13:44
lcuklbt13:44
ali1234N95 N97 etc were never hacked to my knowledge13:44
lcukpackage should be differentiated in a way the update manager knows13:45
captainigloolcuk: oh ok thanks sorry13:45
lcukie, greater13:45
lcukusers rarely know/care about packaging versions unless they have cute release names13:45
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ali1234and of course anything the user doesn't care about isn't worth doing13:46
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lcukali1234, read a bit about the scrollback :P13:46
lbtI'm thinking "Identify a reproduceable unit of software with known features/bug-fixes"13:47
lbt"support release to release upgrades"13:47
lbt"permit maintenance updates of a stable branch"13:47
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ali1234package version number should clearly relate to a git tag somewhere (or similar)13:48
lbtwell. that's one technical solution to that point13:48
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ali1234ie upstream13:49
txithihausenHi guys, I'm dealing with a doubt about power consumption in the Meego OS that I want to ask you.13:49
txithihausenI have conducted a set of experiments among different netbook-based distros, including MeeGO Os, Jolicloud, WattOS, Ubuntu Netbook so on, aiming to determine what ditros presents the better behaviors and why.13:49
lcukali1234, git tags can and do vary wildly but since git is not the sole SCM it cannot be relied upon13:49
txithihausenAll distros but MeeGo have presented a similar behavior regarding to power consumption parameter. Such distributions had an average consumption of about 950 mA.13:49
txithihausenIn turn, the meego had presented a average consumption of 700 mA. Could you give any clues about why the meego distribution have presented a better behavior?13:49
ali1234or similar13:49
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lcuktxithihausen, its built with a sprinkling of awesome.13:51
dm8tbrtxithihausen: you don't even state your hardware, nor what usage pattern or measurement methodology was applied...13:51
lbttxithihausen: in general it's a design objective. Hence it is considered during implementation, measured (somehow) and regressions are fixed13:52
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ali1234jolicloud, wattos, ubuntu netbook... all ubuntu derivatives. why is it surprising they all use the same amount of power?13:54
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txithihausenhum... thanks for you replies! :) Regarding to measurement methodology, I ran a script that write the current power consumption13:55
txithihausenfor a certain amount of time...13:55
lcukdamn, thats a nifty trick.  i used a stop watch and a clicker and counted the electrons as they passed along the cable :P13:56
txithihausenlcuk,  :P13:56
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sivangwhat's the email or name of the guy working on the compliance spec?14:40
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* sivang looks into Quality section of meego.com14:41
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thiagosivang: his first name is Mats14:44
thiagosurname starts with W14:44
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sivangthiago: yes, I'm trying to find the email address , perhaps here http://meego.com/about/governance/quality-assurance or here : http://meego.com/about/governance14:45
sivangStskeeps: right, do you know the exact title and email?14:45
Stskeepsjust search on meego-dev mails14:46
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sivangcan someone please pretty please fill this at least with a contact person? :) http://meego.com/about/compliance-program14:46
Stskeepswell, mark skarpeness is the one in charge, while mats does the real editing, i think14:46
* sivang thanks for having an Stskeeps 14:47
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Stskeepscheck governance - quality, i think14:47
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sivangStskeeps: yes, mark's name is in here: http://meego.com/about/governance/quality-assurance14:49
sivangStskeeps: email found in -dev14:50
jeremiah_What is the best way to reset my xorg screen resolution?14:51
jeremiah_I think Ibrahim is also involved in compliance14:52
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jeremiah_But I don't think we've come to the final compliance definition.14:52
Stskeepsenforcement, maybe14:52
Stskeepsi just hope 1.1 compliance comes out before 1.2 one..14:54
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jeremiah_Where does MeeGo hide the Xorg.conf file? Anyone?14:56
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Stskeepsmost is autodetection14:56
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Stskeeps /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d14:56
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jeremiah_Stskeeps: There are a bunch there.14:57
jeremiah_But not the default14:57
sivangjeremiah_: far far from being complete, yes.14:59
thiagojeremiah_: what do you want to do?14:59
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Stskeepsjeremiah_: basically xorg.conf.d is only for when autodetect goes wrong .. xorg 1.9 does things differently15:04
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jeremiah_thiago: I was hoping to get the XTerm fonts a bit bigger15:10
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jeremiah_And then I hoped to change the full screen resolution of an app I'm working on for MeeGo IVI.15:11
thiagojeremiah_: what does xterm have to do with xorg.conf?15:11
thiagoor the resolution? If you want to change the resolution, replace the monitor.15:11
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jeremiah_Never mind. I'll dig into it myself.15:13
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Stskeepsjeremiah_: dpi?15:14
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jeremiah_meh?15:17
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altinihello people16:07
altinii need some help on b43 drivers meego 1.1 has anyone any idea how can i install them ?16:07
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erstazialtini: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=288 << you need to install b43-fwcutter16:08
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erstazialtini: althought CONFIG_B43 might not be compiled into the kernel for meego.16:09
altinihhmm16:09
altinib43-fwcutter16:10
altinihow is that installed i remember when i used meego on 1.0 thought i used yum install16:10
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jeremiah_Is anyone else having trouble with the ARM repos? I'm getting a "Media exception" when I try to update16:16
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rumohrsomeone bored and up to write a 20-30 lines app? :)17:29
MohammadAGdepends what the app is :)17:29
thiagoGNU Hello17:29
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rumohrnearly.. :) should be an app with 2 dices. 1 dropdown (number of dices) and a button to roll the dices.. (no grafics needed).. and than a field (label perhabs) with the number the diced say...17:31
leinirSo... YADR ;)17:31
thiagoYet Another Development Request?17:32
lcukrumohr, http://qt.nokia.com/products/17:32
rumohralready got Qt17:32
jonnorrumohr: is this your homework? :)17:32
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leinirthiago: Yet Another Dice Roller ;)17:33
rumohrnot a homework. should show how meego apps look like in my seminar..17:33
lcukrumohr, then why cant you write a 20-30 line app yourself17:33
rumohrnot a c++ fan17:34
lcukplenty of other languages in the sea.17:34
rumohris it possible to write in java?17:34
rumohrhaven't found smth about17:34
jonnorhttp://qtjava.sourceforge.net/ second link with google17:35
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lcuksigh17:35
jonnorUnsupported afaik on Meego though ;)17:35
ali1234lol java17:35
berndhsbe adventurous, learn something nre17:36
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v_zaitsevi saw someone running some form of Java on N900... kaybe that work could be extended towards MeeGo17:36
berndhss/nre/new/17:36
infobotberndhs meant: be adventurous, learn something new17:36
thiagoyou can try writing it in Java17:36
v_zaitsevk=m17:36
rumohrmy seminar is on thursday.. ;)17:36
thiagobut you'll miss the point if you wanted to show how MeeGo apps looked like17:36
berndhslots of time17:36
ali1234why not just use one of the examples?17:36
rumohrthe dice-app-task is given by my prof...17:37
v_zaitsevfor showing something on Thursday, java is not your option17:37
ali1234ah, so it *is* homework...17:37
rumohrin some way..17:37
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rumohrnot my school-homework.. study-project-homework17:38
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rumohrhttp://meego.com/developers/getting-started/create-basic-meego-application  <- this application will run on mobile devices too? even if it is not esspecially written for it? or do i have to use the meego touch framework? the one used is Clutter, i suggest?17:42
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jonnorThat application is using Qt, and that will run on all device profiles17:43
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rumohrokay. because of the menu i thought.. but okay..17:43
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qgillcuk: ping18:12
lcukhey qgil \o18:13
qgilabout http://wiki.meego.com/News.meego.com#.40meegocom_at_Twitter - did you say you preferred to "forward" tweets to meegocom by using @meegocom instead of #meegocom?18:13
qgilhi there  :)18:14
lcukqgil, I believe thats the way I have seen it done in other places, like mwkn and other shared accounts (group WOM projects)18:14
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lcukqgil, it gives the impression of passing on a tip18:15
lcukthen the people maintainin the account can then action it and do whatever is needed18:16
qgillcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News says that @, # or even "d" are good - I'd prefer to offer a single way18:16
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qgillcuk: then again, anybody searching #meegocom can see all the status proposed, while at twitter.com/meegocom only the selected will be retweeted18:17
qgillcuk: also, at least for starters we are letting people the chance to send questions using @meegocom (and get a reply, if feasible)18:17
qgilthis way we have to uses separate: # for forwarding statuses and @ for a direct communication18:18
qgildoes this make sense lcuk ?18:18
lcuksure, as a quick test I just checked #mwkn and @mwkn in searches18:18
lcukthe hashtag was unused whilst it seems at least one tip was passed to the account18:18
qgilJaffa: hi, any preferences / insights?18:19
qgilsame for other Twitter insiders in the room18:20
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qgilmmm ok, let's start with @ only, then  lcuk - thanks for the feedback!18:21
lcuk\o18:21
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lcukqgil, perhaps an idea to discuss with @WomWorldNokia18:22
qgillcuk: meh  :)18:23
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lcukhah18:23
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abstract3dfor meego development, its better to install ubuntu or fedora 32bit?18:26
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abstract3di am not between those two. i am gentoo 64bit user and i am wondering if i have to install an additional distro for meego development18:27
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berndhsshouldn't make much difference18:28
berndhsteh lib names in meego now look more like opensuse stuff18:28
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abstract3dis it safe to develop on a virtual machine?18:39
thiagoyes18:39
abstract3dvmware or vbox?18:39
abstract3d:$18:39
Bostikvbox seems to work nicely18:40
BostikI've seen some rather alarming comments here that starting the .vmx image somehow corrupts it18:40
Bostik..in vmware player, that is18:40
abstract3dhm nice so i will go with vbox18:41
abstract3dthanks Bostik & thiago and berndhs :)18:41
Bostikbut anyhow, you get the same package selection in vm as you get in any native setup, get to tweak packaging for your own needs as long as you need and then finally build the "ready" packages in OBS :)18:41
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Bostik(it also helps that OBS can trivially build the ARM packages too, you don't need to do anything other than enable a build target)18:42
abstract3dit's better to go with opensuse?18:43
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Bostikwhatever you want to use as your host, just pick a meego netbook image for your vm install media18:43
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abstract3dehm... sorry for all that questions i am just little unsure and i want to do that with the right way :$18:45
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abstract3di am with gentoo. i will install propably opensuse or fedora cause of rpm package managers. i suppose that i will go with opensuse. that will be my development environment right? or it's better to install meego netbook edition?18:46
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Bostikabstract3d: meego is simply "just another" linux distro - it just has very specific target market18:47
Bostikso you install it like any other linux inside a VM18:47
Bostikthen develop on that, for the specified target itself18:48
abstract3dyeah i know that it's an18:48
Bostikhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox18:48
Bostikjust use 1.1 image and you should be all set18:48
abstract3dyeah i know that it's another linux distro. so my development environment will be meego_netbook right?18:48
Bostikyep18:49
Bostikor more to the point, your local *build* environment will be that18:49
Bostikthere's nothing to prevent you from writing the code on host18:49
Bostik..I do that :)18:49
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Bostik[write code] --> scp to VM --> [build code] --> [install RPM packages] --> [execute for smoketesting] --> iterate as needed18:51
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abstract3dso i will install all meego-sdk etc inside meego_netbook right?18:52
magius_pendragonabstract3d: if I'm reading Bostik right, you're just giong to install your toolchain in the vm18:52
magius_pendragonabstract3d: and build code from there18:52
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Bostikyou should know that I have never used QtDesigner (in any form) for my development18:52
abstract3dah nice :)18:52
abstract3dBostik: hm.. but u are using Qt-Creator IDE right? :$18:53
Bostikabstract3d: nope :D18:53
abstract3d:$18:53
Bostikmy development is more on system-level, I utterly suck at UI stuff18:54
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Bostikand I've yet to find anything to surpass vim as my editor18:54
abstract3daaaaaah nice :P18:54
MyrttiBostik: butterflys18:54
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BostikMyrtti: please elaborate18:55
abstract3dfor developing graphical apps, qt-creator will be on my host right? and after that scp source and build inside vm18:55
abstract3dhope so that i got the point :p18:55
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magius_pendragonI've got meego on a netbook that I'm converting to a slate. I have 2 questions: 1) How's the Tablet UX coming? Is it possible to get ahold of it? Not afraid to do soem devel. 2) Is there any extra framework I should be aware of to make the UI (multi) touch-aware? I know about xorg 7.5 and the evdev patch.18:56
MyrttiBostik: http://xkcd.com/378/18:56
magius_pendragonabstract3d: no need for qt-creator in that cycle18:56
abstract3dif i want to create GUI is there another way to do that?18:57
Bostikblegh, I'll repay yo for that one on Friday my dear Myrtti18:57
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MyrttiBostik: love you too ♥ ♥ ♥18:57
iekku:o18:57
Bostiksomething like that18:57
berndhsabstract3d: qt designer is helpful18:58
iekkucould someone please kick me?18:58
abstract3d?!18:59
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iekkuneed to open my work laptop and start to do some work18:59
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iekkuinterested [ ] , not einterested [×]18:59
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iekkul-e18:59
iekkupojdslkgj saglkfhölkghasg18:59
Myrttiiekku: but it's... 6th18:59
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iekkuMyrtti, I know18:59
Myrttialthough I should book in my hours too...19:00
Myrtti*cough*19:00
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iekkuMyrtti, but my boss said he wants his report tomorrow....19:00
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iekkumaybe he gets light version...19:01
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iekkuMyrtti, problem solved, thanks for the help :D19:02
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iekkunow I just lay on the livingroom the rest of the evening :)19:03
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abstract3dBostik: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox since it's out 1.1 i will go with that right? (v1.1)19:05
berndhs1.119:05
abstract3dok thanks19:06
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dm8tbrabstract3d: if you want to get 1.1 netbook running in vbox don't use the 1.0 guide19:08
lbto/  qgil ... was thinking that the OBS and Extras and such-like people need to get together with the CO and coordinate19:08
dm8tbrlet me try to remember what I did...19:08
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lbtwe're starting to see the QA process taking shape19:09
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iekkulbt, in what area?19:09
abstract3ddm8tbr: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg06270.html19:09
abstract3dis that the solution?19:09
lbtcommunity promotion of packages to "Extras"19:09
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lbtwhich is still not properly named or branded19:10
qgillbt: that's an innovative idea that I shared with you before the summer  ;)19:10
lbtqgil: :P19:10
dm8tbrabstract3d: no that whole guide is redundant19:10
dm8tbrat least most of it is misleading19:10
lbtwell we have a live OBS now ... and xmas hols are nearly here19:10
dm8tbrlater you install the vbox additions yes, but you start completely different19:11
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iekkulbt, huh, I was scares you are waiting something from the core or ux side19:11
qgillbt: where in the MeeGo project is all this OBS-Extras activity organized?19:11
lbtiekku: hehe .... nah19:11
dm8tbrabstract3d: IIRC what I did was to start with an raw or qemu image and convert that for vbox19:11
lbtqgil: it's not organised ... we're just doing it19:12
qgillbt: and what kind of coordination are you willing to have with the CO19:12
iekkulbt, immediately after I had desided not to work today :D19:12
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abstract3ddm8tbr: hm.. u installed meego inside qemu, and u convert that image to vbox?19:12
lbtqgil: I honestly don't know what we need to do or how best to coord19:12
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dm8tbrabstract3d: no, I just took an image and put it into vbox19:13
abstract3dand where did you find the raw image? :$19:13
lbtqgil: this is part of making meego a great place to develop19:13
qgillbt: sure, I'm just trying to guess what you have in mind when you say "was thinking that the OBS and Extras and such-like people need to get together with the CO and coordinate"19:13
lbtand a way to bring the lessons from the maemo community over19:13
qgillbt: I still think that all the community-obs, Extras etc fits perfectly under the CO umbrella19:14
lbtyeah... so maybe see how you're scheduling things... just participate in the meetings19:14
abstract3danyway, if for 1.1 doesnt work this guide, if i go with 1.0 meego version, i will be ok? i just want to learn how to develop applications etc19:14
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lbtI'm happy about that at this point :)19:14
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dm8tbrabstract3d: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/netbook - just take one of those. now that I look at it I should have used one of them... instead what I did19:15
qgillbt right on time for http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10 ?19:15
lbtyes... that was on my mind19:15
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lbtthis fits the review of scope/structure/approach19:15
dm8tbrabstract3d: if you can't directly use it with vbox you can use the qemu-img command to convert it to vdi19:15
qgillbt: agreed19:16
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lbtI'll prod tekojo and X-Fade too19:16
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qgillbt:  it would be great if the CO would be useful for the OBS-Extras without adding unnecessary "structure" and "organization", if you know what I mean19:17
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abstract3ddm8tbr: so did you do that thing with libglx.so and clutter-xvisual?19:17
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lbt*nod* ... just thinking via my fingers :)19:17
qgillbt: having the ongoing tasks visible would be helpful - I have been trying to get bi-weekly updates from tekojo and even that was difficult...19:18
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dm8tbrabstract3d: none of that was necessary19:18
lbtyes... we also have ad-hoc things like "managing secret bugs for meego-it"19:18
qgillbt ?19:18
lbtwe have a bug area for meego-it19:18
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dm8tbrabstract3d: I didn't get vbox 3d accel working though back then. didn't really spend much time trying though19:18
thpDawnFoster: ping. any news wrt the meego-python mailing list?19:18
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lbtbut it's all "secret" (and rightly so)19:18
dm8tbrthe vbox guest additions installed cleanly though19:18
qgillbt you mean out of bugs.meego.com ?19:18
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lbtwe have one on b.m.o19:19
DawnFosterthp: I should be able to finish configuring it later today19:19
lbta component19:19
abstract3di am little confused again of what to choose :$19:19
qgillbt then what's the secret?19:19
thpDawnFoster: thanks :)19:19
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lbtwe need to find a way to track internal task/bugs in a way that doesn't expose potential infra issue19:20
lbtand yet allow more 'normal' bugs to be seen19:20
lbtthe easy "get started" was to make it all secret19:20
qgillbt doesn't Bugzilla allow you to set groups and permissions for bugs? Why not using that?19:20
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qgillbt: any, this is really out of my turf  :)19:21
iekku it does19:21
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iekkulbt, I have been also thinking about that issue19:21
lbtyes... but we need to raise and address these issues. And the group needs to 'sit' somewhere in the CO19:21
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lbtoh DawnFoster http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1041519:22
dm8tbrabstract3d: I'd just go with an regular netbook image. I can try it if you're afraid. I'm half bored enough to do that...19:22
lbtiekku: ?19:22
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iekkulbt, about the internal tasks and bugs and reviews etx19:23
iekkuetc even19:23
DawnFosterlbt: hmmm, I should be able to see everything, and I'm getting unauthorized on that one19:23
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qgillbt me neither, and this is something new  :)19:24
abstract3ddm8tbr: i want to learn to develop applications for meego.. if i succeed with 1.1 install @vbox i will be fully able to follow any guide for meego development etc, right?19:24
iekkui can't access that one also :o19:24
qgillbt but if it's about some security stuff then I'm happy not seeing it  :)19:24
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lbtjust spam19:24
dm8tbrabstract3d: It would give you a target to try your apps on I guess19:24
lbtnot sure why it's hidden19:25
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abstract3ddm8tbr: hope so :D19:25
lbtheh ... because it's on the MeeGo IT component19:25
qgillbt are you aware of this bug to track non-public bugs without a clear reason? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=994319:26
lbtnot specifically19:26
lbtbut we were aware19:27
lbtThis section is bugs (and tasks) relating to infrastructure deployment19:27
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qgillbt: anyway, I think this is something you need to discuss with Stefano and Mike - who are in charge of the IT stuff19:27
lbtYes - I'm on that team19:27
DawnFosterlbt: that bug was miscategories19:28
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DawnFosterugh. can't type19:28
lbtwe all want it to be integral to the community generally though19:28
qgillbt I know, and that's why  :)  Agree on something and probably problem solved19:28
lbtDawnFoster: it was19:28
DawnFosteranyway, Mike is fixing it now19:28
lbtso just understanding our (meego IT) task list and working on prioritising and supporting us19:29
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lbtso the fact that you've asked Tero is cool - we should be 'reporting' to the CO or to irc meetings on a regular basis I think19:30
lbtso you know we're working on getting control of our DNS19:30
lbtthat we have the LDAP up and working19:30
DawnFosterlbt: ok, that bug is open now19:30
lbtOK ... can I tell that bugs that I can see are closed?19:31
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lbtmmm who can add a Product to bugs.meego.com ?19:44
lbtwe need pub.meego.com OBS on there19:44
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andre__lbt: file a bug in bugs.meego.com against bugzilla19:46
iekkui think eric does it19:46
andre__Eric can19:46
lbtthanks ... was just seeing that :)19:47
lbthttp://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Community%20Infrastructure&query_format=advanced&component=MeeGo%20bugzilla&product=bugs.meego.com19:47
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rumohris there a MeeGo Roadmap? Something where i can see, when the first devices are planned, or when there is planned to have the first television on the market..20:22
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abstract3ddm8tbr: i downloaded meego 1.1 now i have to convert it with qemu right?20:29
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rumohryou want to install it on a netbook?20:30
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abstract3dno on vbox20:30
abstract3d@ rumohr:20:31
rumohrwindows or linux system?20:31
abstract3dlinux20:31
rumohrah, ok. then i'm out ;)20:31
abstract3d:$20:31
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Jaffaqgil: Most of the @mwkn stuff comes from DM from trusted contributors; however the script looks for @mwkn as well. Can't remember about hashtag.20:32
nialaabstract3d: just launch like another linux no?20:32
Jaffaqgil: However, since process for @meegocom is (AIUI) manual; searches for @meegocom and #meegocom are pretty much similar.20:32
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qgilJaffa: thanks20:33
Jaffaqgil: The advantage of the hashtag approach is that you'll drop the hashtag when tweeting it from meegocom; whereas @meegocom searches will include people doing old-school retweets. This may make it harder to find new contributions if popular news get retweeted lots.20:33
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abstract3dniala: well @ http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox#Installation it says "1. Download the MeeGo v1.0 for netbooks image and change its extension (simple rename) to ISO. "20:34
dm8tbrabstract3d: you can just use the file like it is20:34
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dm8tbrabstract3d: vbox will allow you to add an .img file as a CD image20:34
abstract3ddm8tbr: ah ok.. i was thinking that you told me before that it needs to convert it with qemu20:35
dm8tbrabstract3d: I'm doing the same right now. some weird stuff happening though if I try to boot it like that. will keep you posted.20:35
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nialaabstract3d: yes and ? you boot on it and install20:35
nialaabstract3d: you must convert if you want chroot your image20:36
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abstract3dniala: ok thanks20:37
abstract3ddm8tbr: me 2 i am going to install it right now20:37
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abstract3dhm.. first failure "drm_i915" related20:38
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dm8tbrabstract3d: yes, you can ignore that it seems. just make sure you have an >3GB virtual drive to install to20:43
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abstract3ddm8tbr: i have created 1 x 10GB vdi20:44
abstract3dand till now all are going fine20:44
rumohrgnarf. meego is not made for dualboot? if i got windows on my netbook first and afterwards install meego, it doesn't add meego to OS-list, it says, it is the only one :/20:44
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dm8tbrrumohr: hum? which boot manger are you talking about?20:46
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rumohri had only windows installed and installed meego from usb... now i don't have the possibility to boot windows20:46
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rumohri think it is the standard-meego-bootmanager, don't know which one meego uses20:47
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merlin_1991maybe you have to add the chainload entry for the win bootmanager? (I'm not a meego user though)20:48
dm8tbrHATINK!20:48
dm8tbrok, who wrote the meego netbook installer? eh? eh?20:48
dm8tbr3000MB is apparently not 3000MB...20:49
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dm8tbrfirst mistake: I made an partition 2GB in size, ok. np.20:49
dm8tbrthen I made one 3,01GB in size, well you know to make sure it's larger than the 3000MB required20:50
dm8tbrnow this crappy installer tells me that an 3082MB partition is _SMALLER_ than 3000MB20:50
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* dm8tbr goes to file a bug20:50
abstract3ddm8tbr: rofl20:52
dm8tbrI suspect an MiB MB mixup20:53
dm8tbrstill, FFS20:53
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aukesomeone call me?20:55
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abstract3dwhen trying to boot from local disk, when i have .img loaded up to virtual box it can't boot20:58
abstract3dwhen i umount disk and reboot vbox all are fine20:58
CosmoHillauke: no body called you20:59
CosmoHillever20:59
CosmoHillbut whilst you're here, do you know anything about msgrcv or internet sockets?20:59
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abstract3dlol20:59
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abstract3dand now i am waiting.. for what? :$ we'll see :D (after creating 1st user etc)21:03
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CosmoHillI have no idea what you're on about but I can smell pizza :D21:05
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aukeCosmoHill: lol21:06
aukeCosmoHill: enough to be extremely dangerous :D21:06
CosmoHillawesome21:06
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CosmoHillI have two tutorials I'm stuck on >.<21:06
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abstract3dCosmoHill: please.. i have to eat from yesterday :$21:07
abstract3dhm.. stucked @ this black screen??21:08
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CosmoHilldo you have an underscore flashing?21:10
abstract3di shutted down vm. and boot it again. now i see this 'art screen21:11
GAN900rumohr, no such roadmap exists.21:11
dm8tbrabstract3d: just fyi - my experience led to bug 10917 being filed ;)21:12
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size.21:12
GAN900rumohr, given that that'd generally be considered privileged information by the manufacturers involved. ;)21:12
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abstract3ddm8tbr: it seems that i have that problem just fyi - my experience led to bug 10917 being filed ;21:14
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size.21:14
abstract3doops21:14
abstract3ddm8tbr: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=31021:15
dm8tbrabstract3d: tl;dr no context21:16
qgildneary: ping21:17
dnearyqgil, Pong21:17
dnearyBut on my way home :}21:17
qgilhi dneary I was looking at your comment at http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Marketing/MeeGo_vs_Android&diff=0&oldid=2071921:17
abstract3ddm8tbr: i am having that now http://oi54.tinypic.com/1zlrqxu.jpg21:17
abstract3dwtf :$21:17
qgilI wonder though how that wiki page can be heavily influenced by your article when (if I recall correctly) the wiki page came first  :)21:18
dm8tbrabstract3d: boot without quiet21:18
abstract3ddm8tbr: hm.. quiet? :$21:18
dnearyqgil, I started working on the page, and then had to switch21:18
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dm8tbrabstract3d: press TAB during boot to edit the kernel cmdline21:18
abstract3daha21:18
dnearyqgil, So that can be taken to be a comment at the top of a future version of the page, heavily influenced by the article :)21:18
qgildneary: but most of the beef you can read there is mine21:19
dnearyqgil, I didn't use that page as a source21:19
abstract3ddm8tbr: and vga=vesa?21:19
dm8tbrabstract3d: you could try that but most important remove quiet!21:19
abstract3dok :D21:19
dnearyqgil, I added the link only as a reference... I didn't mean to take credit for your work. Will reword now21:19
qgildneary: not that I'm claiming anything - I'm just saying that the text I wrote before your article can't be influenced by your article, for an obvious reason  :)21:19
dnearyqgil, Just trying to be a good task owner & move it forward inch by inch :)21:20
qgildneary: it's good to have the link to your article21:20
abstract3ddm8tbr: and now i can see a blank screen but i can write whatever i want21:21
abstract3d:P21:21
dnearyqgil, Reworded. I apologise - as it was, it gave a false impression.21:21
dm8tbrabstract3d: press alt-f121:21
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dm8tbranyway, gtg, bbl21:21
qgildneary: clear now, thanks!21:22
abstract3ddm8tbr: yy i did and i logged into21:22
abstract3dbb and thanks for all your help :)21:22
rumohrGAN900: thx.21:26
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abstract3di have a meego-power-ico proccess that its repeating21:31
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abstract3di cannt boot meego 1.1 netbook inside a vbox21:40
abstract3di have meego-power-ico problem allways21:40
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abstract3dany idea?21:41
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: I wasn't able to boot it either, but I was also getting complaints about ia32 support I think21:46
magius_pendragonor just a black screen21:46
magius_pendragonI tried a few things, can't remember what21:46
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abstract3dwhy noone can't remember what :P21:47
abstract3dplease next time write it down so we can use those info :P21:47
magius_pendragonhaha I never got it working, I just started with meego a week ago (went out and bought a netbook)21:47
magius_pendragonbut I feel your pain21:48
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abstract3d:$21:48
magius_pendragonmy intended use requires more poking, but I'm not sure where to start :/21:49
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abstract3dare you fucking kiding me ? :P21:52
abstract3dthats DWM?21:52
magius_pendragonabstract3d: what?21:52
abstract3dah now its TWM21:52
abstract3di did startx21:52
abstract3dand now i am @TWM21:52
magius_pendragonah21:53
abstract3dwhere is meego GUI? :$21:53
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abstract3dwhat do i have to do?21:53
CosmoHillauke: would you mind helping me and my friend with msgrcv?21:55
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magius_pendragonno idea :/21:55
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aukeabstract3d: if your VM doesn't support GL, you're screwed21:57
abstract3dauke: i am using vbox21:58
aukedoes it support GL?21:58
abstract3dbrb i have to move my seat :/21:58
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babsher_so there are plans for a tv version of meego?22:00
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babsher_has anyone seen google tv22:00
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timeless_mbpbabsher_: err22:08
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timeless_mbpbabsher_: like http://meego.com/devices/connected-tv ?22:08
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abstract3dauke: i am trying to go with 1.1 netbook into vbox22:14
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lbtauke: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1091022:17
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: does your proc support vmx?22:20
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abstract3di have intel c2d t9400 2.53 i suppose that yes22:20
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magius_pendragoncat /proc/cpuinfo | grep --color vmx, not all modorn cpus support it22:21
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abstract3dmagius_pendragon: y its been supported22:22
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: Might only be the mobile ones, but I know for e.g. my netbook doesn't22:22
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abstract3dmagius_pendragon: the problem is that i am seeing only TWM22:26
merlin_1991hm what are the chances of running meego on the acer revo 3600? I'm getting one as htpc and might leave some space on it's hdd for playing with meego22:26
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: if they're worried about 3d support, I think it's basically either virtualization extensions or your driver22:27
magius_pendragonso I'm trying to eliminate one22:27
abstract3dwell i didnt do the part with gl @guide because someone posted that he solve his problem with passing over this step22:27
abstract3dbut i think that i have to do that also22:27
magius_pendragonI would try it22:27
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abstract3dmagius_pendragon: hm.. @guide it has a step "enable PAE"22:29
abstract3dwhat is that?22:29
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: I'm not at the right computer, but I think that's one of the optinos in the virutal box menu, under System?22:30
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abstract3dy22:35
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abstract3dmagius_pendragon: y22:35
magius_pendragonabstract3d: couldn't tell ya22:35
abstract3di am trying to do scp user@host:~/Downloads/libglx.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions but it cannot find hostname22:35
magius_pendragonyou're doing that from inside the vm?22:37
abstract3dy22:37
magius_pendragonis that a yes or a why?22:37
magius_pendragonlol22:37
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abstract3dyes*22:38
magius_pendragondo you have networking working in the vm?22:38
abstract3dyy22:39
abstract3dyes*22:39
magius_pendragonand user@host is your desktop, the one that's running the vm?22:39
magius_pendragontry the ip if hte hostname doesn't work22:39
abstract3dhm yes nice idea :P22:40
abstract3dwtf22:41
abstract3dwhy not aint it there any wget for meego?22:41
magius_pendragonzypper install wget22:41
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magius_pendragonerm as root22:42
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abstract3dmagius_pendragon: is it better to have emulated netbook install into VBox or having MeeGo_SDK inside opensuse etc?22:47
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: sounds like the Vm is the "easier" route, unless you're working on UI stuff.22:48
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dm8tbrabstract3d: you're on linux anyway, aren't you? I think qemu might be easier / better documented22:49
dm8tbrno 3d accel there though IIRC22:49
magius_pendragondm8tbr: if no 3d accel, then cdan't use the vm22:49
magius_pendragondoesn't boot into the UI22:49
dm8tbrmagius_pendragon: there are qemu images. I've used one22:50
magius_pendragonI stand corrected22:50
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dm8tbrregular netbook image seems to swear and curse though :/22:50
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abstract3domg :P22:51
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abstract3di want to build GUI apps :P22:52
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magius_pendragonpoor abstract3d, everyone's giving him bad/wrong info22:52
abstract3dso i am messed up with vm without any special reason for me :$22:52
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abstract3dhm :/ i did and libglx thing but nothing happened22:52
abstract3dstill TWM -.-22:52
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: if it makes you feel better, i haven't gotten anything on my question(s) :p22:54
dm8tbrabstract3d: just ditch it then for now and focus on getting your dev environment going22:54
magius_pendragondm8tbr: that's what he's been trying ot do all day22:54
magius_pendragondm8tbr: focusing on getting dev environment going22:54
dm8tbrI'd have expected the test target VM to come last :)22:54
dm8tbrI'll try to dig out the qemu image22:55
magius_pendragondm8tbr: it might have. Started with wondering about switching distributions to get qt designer, and then people suggested vm instead22:55
magius_pendragondm8tbr: or at least that's where I started listening22:55
magius_pendragonabstract3d: sound right?22:55
abstract3dwell, i can have qt-creator @gentoo but not meego_sdk22:56
magius_pendragonabstract3d: then why not just check the git repos?22:56
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abstract3dso a nice solution is to build dev env inside vm and write the ocde @gentoo_host22:57
magius_pendragonabstract3d: you can always go one more level removed (run sdk inside fedora inside gentoo (chroot | vm))22:57
abstract3dcrap22:57
magius_pendragonI'm not suggesting it22:57
abstract3dthe only thing needed to move on from TWM22:57
magius_pendragonthat was more out of jest22:57
abstract3d/usr/sbin/firstboot22:58
magius_pendragonhaha22:58
magius_pendragonwell you found it22:58
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magius_pendragonglad to know that works, I'm gonna have to figure it out22:58
magius_pendragoneventually22:58
abstract3dbut its kinda ungly22:58
abstract3dits like a window inside TWM22:58
magius_pendragonyeah probably22:58
magius_pendragonwhy not drop out of x and try it from the terminal?22:58
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abstract3dits an idea i will try that too22:59
abstract3domg.. i have allready done with firstboot why am i doing that again? :$23:00
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magius_pendragonbecause that's wwhat the command does?23:00
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abstract3d4 sure23:01
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abstract3dFINALLY23:03
abstract3dbecause startx its a crap23:03
abstract3d/usr/sbin/uxlauncher is the way to go23:03
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magius_pendragonhuh23:07
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magius_pendragongood to know23:07
magius_pendragonabstract3d: so you've blogged about this whole thing right? ;)23:08
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rumohrwhat is MADDE good for?23:09
rumohra core emulator?23:09
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rumohrgot it..23:10
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abstract3dmagius_pendragon: well i dont know whats the big problem :$23:11
abstract3dthe biggest problem is that that there is not any real big problem with 1.1 :$23:11
abstract3djust the startx thing23:11
abstract3dand there is no need for .img -> .iso23:11
magius_pendragonabstract3d: yeah, but you were complaining that nobody had written it down, so write it!23:11
abstract3di will write a post after if i am allive :p23:11
abstract3dok ok :D23:11
dm8tbrabstract3d: did you get the release image working?23:12
abstract3dyeap23:12
abstract3di just want one more thing to do23:12
dm8tbrnice job23:12
abstract3dstartx to use /usr/sbin/uxlaunch23:12
dm8tbrumm wasn't that stuff started via inittab?23:12
magius_pendragonabstract3d: ~/.xinitrc?23:13
abstract3di tried23:13
magius_pendragondm8tbr: it didn't launch into x for some reason23:13
abstract3dnevermind23:13
abstract3du can do /usr/sbin/uxlaunch23:13
abstract3dand no startx :p23:13
abstract3dbut thats a kinda lame23:13
abstract3dbecause it doesnt get up whole X server with the right way23:13
dm8tbrmagius_pendragon: yeah, well it's too much geared at some atom netbook with intel gfx...23:14
magius_pendragondm8tbr: indeed23:14
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auke.xinitrc is not supported on meego23:17
aukeperiod (my decision)23:17
magius_pendragonoh23:18
magius_pendragonwell23:18
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magius_pendragonsorry23:20
abstract3di think that i got it23:21
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magius_pendragonis there a way to suspend without the hotkey/lid?23:28
magius_pendragonthere should be, just can't remember what it is23:29
abstract3doh my god i gotta find a way to change that startx thing -.-23:30
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aukeecho mem > ... ?23:31
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magius_pendragonsounds familiar, what's the file? somewher ein /proc right?23:31
auke /sys/power/state23:34
magius_pendragonah thanks23:34
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abustanyhello there. I was wondering if there's a way to check the closed package requests for a given project23:40
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abustanyor "my closed requests" for that matter23:42
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abustany(in the build service)23:42
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abstract3dwtf23:48
magius_pendragonabstract3d: ?23:48
abstract3dthe only thing that i am stucked23:48
abstract3dis to make startx launch UX23:49
magius_pendragonabstract3d: lucky you, I'm stuck in a lot of things :p23:49
magius_pendragonabstract3d: xinitrc is apparently not supported23:49
abstract3di will right a blog post after that23:49
abstract3dyeah but there are many other files23:49
lolloodoes U-boot work with other meego releases found the repoes?23:49
abstract3dBUT NONE OF THEM IS SUPPORTED!23:49
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abstract3di am trying to find the solution from /etc/X1123:50
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abstract3di ll smack that :D23:54
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abstract3dtwm is failsafe mode23:58
abstract3dand for some reason23:58
abstract3dthe only check that it does is for kde, gnome, moblin & xfce desktop23:58
abstract3dand failsafe is TWM23:58
abstract3dif i understand it good23:58
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magius_pendragonabstract3d: this sounds like a pain23:59
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abstract3dit is23:59

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