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| CosmoHill | NooBmonk3y: see, he has an idea | 00:07 |
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| NooBmonk3y | CosmoHill, ? | 00:08 |
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| NooBmonk3y | loL! | 00:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk 's ideas involve bacon | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | only the tasty ones | 00:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk_idea, http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-dev/ does not include http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-sensors/ is my theory...... | 00:09 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone on msn using adium? | 00:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | meego handset dialer works on the n900? | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | is there any SDK out for meego yet? | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, yes, last one I tried was 1.0.99, it output audio through loudspeakers though | 00:22 |
| Shapeshifter | at least from the 1.1 description, it sounds like meego would be usable on the n900. Problems? I'm guessing battery and/or performance | 00:22 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: mhh | 00:22 |
| odin_ | MohammadAG, sure... what is your development platform? and what do you want to develop? MeeGo itself, Qt GUI application ? | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | it's usable, I'd prefer M5 for 911 though :) | 00:23 |
| Shapeshifter | 911? | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu, I usually like to have a look at all aspects of an OS, so both:P | 00:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | I can't seem to find the application repos for meego. Doesn't rpm stuff have browsable repos? | 00:24 |
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| berndhs | Shapeshifter: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/ | 00:25 |
| Shapeshifter | berndhs: thank you | 00:25 |
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| odin_ | MohammadAG, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux and for Qt application lookup "Qt Creator" | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | I have Qt Creator, I'm assuming there's a target I need to install? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, found it in the link, thanks :) | 00:28 |
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| berndhs | anyone know how to set the camera for cheese to something outlandish like /dev/video0 ? | 01:00 |
| thiago_home | outlandish | 01:00 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 01:00 |
| berndhs | yeah | 01:00 |
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| hlzxy | moring | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 02:30 |
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| hlzxy | anybody use 'build' to create 1.1 rpm on ubuntu? | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | you mean the MeeGo SDK? | 02:33 |
| hlzxy | no,just 'build' rpm package with src.rpm without obs | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | in theory you should be able to as long as all the dependancies of that RPM are met and you are able to compile rpms | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | by default ubuntu doesn't support rpm so you will have to install stuff | 02:35 |
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| hlzxy | em,something go well , 'build' will create a build system to build them ,so that may be not the ploblem | 02:38 |
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| berndhs_meego | what does the problem look like ? | 02:44 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:'rpm verify failed' | 02:54 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:the error. | 02:54 |
| berndhs_meego | thats nbot too bad, it probably built the rpm, just finds something wrong with it | 02:55 |
| berndhs_meego | so at least it looks like you have all the tools to make it | 02:55 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I don't know,I can build version 1.0 | 02:56 |
| berndhs_meego | a bunch of names changed, and naming standards, from 1.0 to 1.1 | 02:57 |
| berndhs_meego | so the verify perhaps checks those things | 02:57 |
| berndhs_meego | but i'm just guessing | 02:58 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:yes, but the same command can work on fedora,so that may be not the problem. | 02:59 |
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| berndhs_meego | the naming on meego is different than on fedora for 1.1 | 02:59 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:em, what should I do? | 03:01 |
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| berndhs_meego | try to get more detailed error messages than "verify failed" | 03:01 |
| berndhs_meego | find out what it doesn't like about the rpm that it just made | 03:02 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:thanks ,I will go on finding.. | 03:03 |
| berndhs_meego | you can put edbug messages in some parts of the .spec file | 03:03 |
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| berndhs_meego | where it looks like normal shell commands, you can print out messages | 03:04 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:seems diffcult.how I can put debug messages, you mean add some message in .spec file? | 03:06 |
| berndhs_meego | yes | 03:06 |
| berndhs_meego | where it says things like "make install" | 03:06 |
| berndhs_meego | you can echo some interesting stuff | 03:07 |
| berndhs_meego | to see what its doing, where it is putting things | 03:07 |
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| berndhs_meego | but that may not be the problem in your case | 03:07 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: could you give me some sentences for that ,I really don't how to write it and where put it | 03:10 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:10 |
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| berndhs_meego | night | 03:10 |
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| berndhs_meego | look for the sections %build and %install and %setup | 03:11 |
| berndhs_meego | there you see normal shell commands | 03:11 |
| berndhs_meego | like "make" or "install" | 03:11 |
| berndhs_meego | you can put any shell command there that you want | 03:12 |
| berndhs_meego | those parts are just shell scripts | 03:12 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: em , I see them | 03:12 |
| berndhs_meego | but like I said, this may not have anuything to do with your problem | 03:13 |
| berndhs_meego | it looks like it finishes the building of the rpm | 03:13 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: no, I think the problem in start of build because of just one dependency loades | 03:15 |
| berndhs_meego | hmm i thought it failed on verify | 03:16 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: and then it show 'verify failed' , nothing loaded down | 03:16 |
| berndhs_meego | hard to tell without seeing it | 03:17 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: could you see http://pastebin.mozilla.org/871675 please | 03:21 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: that is the information when the command run | 03:22 |
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| berndhs_meego | oh i see | 03:23 |
| berndhs_meego | yes you're right it is complaining about the downloaded rpm, not the one you are building | 03:23 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: have any idea about it? | 03:25 |
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| berndhs_meego | no it doesnt say anything about whats wrong | 03:25 |
| berndhs_meego | what is acl ? | 03:26 |
| berndhs_meego | access control lists, i wonder why bison needs that | 03:27 |
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| berndhs_meego | oh wait i missed something | 03:28 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:what'mean? | 03:29 |
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| berndhs_meego | it says /usr/sbin/qemu-binfmt-conf.sh is missing | 03:29 |
| berndhs_meego | don't know what that is, but its not there apparently | 03:30 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I see it so many times ,and can not find it anywhere,so I ignore it ,because also the warning when build version 1.0 | 03:31 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:and I also want to know the role of it | 03:32 |
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| berndhs_meego | i didnt know you could do a cross-build with these tools | 03:35 |
| berndhs_meego | for another architecture | 03:35 |
| berndhs_meego | this is running on an intel architecture, right ? | 03:36 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:right | 03:36 |
| berndhs_meego | and the only thing different is that its for meego 1.1 | 03:37 |
| berndhs_meego | so... | 03:37 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:em.. | 03:37 |
| berndhs_meego | maybe the rpm for acl is just bad | 03:38 |
| berndhs_meego | i dont know how to test that | 03:39 |
| berndhs_meego | or maybe the rpm is not signed | 03:40 |
| berndhs_meego | could be something silly like that | 03:40 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I will try to donwload it first. | 03:41 |
| berndhs_meego | you have an arm machine wehre you can test it ? that would be worth trying | 03:42 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I can works on othe host,so it may have no problem..but I will try in the simulator. | 03:43 |
| berndhs_meego | could be just checksum of signature of hte acl thing | 03:44 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I have no idea, | 03:45 |
| berndhs_meego | me neithre | 03:45 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I download it first, and when the command run ,it skip that package loading to the next package,and also failed,so it could not load packages | 03:50 |
| berndhs_meego | ah | 03:50 |
| berndhs_meego | so its not that package in particular, its any package, apparently | 03:50 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:yeah ,maybe 'rpm --import key' have somehing wrong. I failed to import it anyway now | 03:51 |
| berndhs_meego | yes quite possible | 03:52 |
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| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:but it is also that on other hosts,why they can build normal. | 03:53 |
| berndhs_meego | setup or environment on this host could be bad | 03:54 |
| berndhs_meego | it is complaining about that early on | 03:54 |
| berndhs_meego | when it asks to rebuild it, maybe something is not complete | 03:55 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:looks right | 03:56 |
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| ezjd | I am requesting to create community OBS account. Is lbt online? or Can I just email him? | 03:59 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego:I remove the build-root , and it will not ask that,so that not complete is just not complete 'clean'last time ,it stop at the start | 04:01 |
| berndhs_meego | i'm lost on that one hizxy, I dont remember how "build" has to be installed | 04:02 |
| hlzxy | berndhs_meego: thanks anyway :) | 04:04 |
| berndhs_meego | i only installed it once, on a fedora machine that's gone now | 04:05 |
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| berndhs | anyone know why the /etc/rpm/macros.qt4 file isn't there on meego ? | 04:12 |
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| Jun | hallo | 04:39 |
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| Jun | On the obs manual, I can't use http://IP and actually also can't see the portnumber 81 or 82 through netstat -antuwp | egrep "(^[^t])|(^tcp.*LISTEN)" | 04:42 |
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| copyleft | Jun: is lighttpd running? | 04:52 |
| hlzxy | csj:hi | 04:52 |
| Jun | seems like.. | 04:53 |
| Jun | lighttpd 0:off 1:off 2;off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off | 04:54 |
| Jun | does it mean it's working? | 04:54 |
| copyleft | Jun: on Opensuse? rclighttpd restart get any errors? | 04:55 |
| Jun | well, it might be openSUSE based. | 04:56 |
| Jun | yes.... it's getting an error at 'Starting lighttpd' | 04:56 |
| Jun | it's failed. | 04:56 |
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| Jun | but successed at my second try | 04:57 |
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| Jun | I don't know if this vmx is really working though somebody says yes | 04:59 |
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| Texrat | hola! | 05:02 |
| Texrat | or not | 05:02 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, its the middle of the night! | 05:08 |
| * lcuk is only awake because of flu | 05:08 | |
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| berndhs | is there a wish list for packages? or do I file a bug for each one that I would like in core ? | 05:48 |
| berndhs | and deal with the rejection | 05:48 |
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| Texrat | here you go berndhs: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2020 | 05:52 |
| berndhs | Texrat: thanks | 05:52 |
| berndhs | actually i'm doing the same thing | 05:54 |
| berndhs | putting stuff in my home: so later they can be promoted, and I can have them now | 05:54 |
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| iedey | hello | 06:58 |
| iedey | how can i gain access to https://build.pub.meego.com | 06:58 |
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| wintige | when I remove /usr/lib/madde ,and remove meego-sdk on fedora,I want to install again ,how could I do,It show error:/usr/sbin/mad-admin: line 23: /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/madlib/madlib.sh: No such file or directory | 08:07 |
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| tcs-meego | hi does anyone know if the meego-netbook live image supports Atheros network cards | 08:12 |
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| wintige | I remove /usr/lib/madde ,and remove meego-sdk on fedora,and I cannot install again, help me. | 08:15 |
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| timoph | wintige: seems like mad-admin is trying to use those files you removed.. | 08:22 |
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| Jay_BEE | tcs-meego: using a live image would be the best way to find out http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 08:28 |
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| tcs-meego | Jay_BEE: well i am downloading one.. | 08:29 |
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| Jay_BEE | awesome.. I see references to success with Atheros on the forums | 08:30 |
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| tcs-meego | oh good.. 50% downloaded.. i am on a rather slow network | 08:32 |
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| wintige | timoph: i am trying a way ,seems ok | 08:32 |
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| Stskeeps | morn lbt, did you manage to survive the cold? | 08:48 |
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| copyleft | morning, Stskeeps | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn copyleft | 09:00 |
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| wintige | Stskeeps:hi | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 09:05 |
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| wintige | Stskeeps: qemu-arm in fedora must be statically linked ,and I see it on ubuntu , it's dynamically link ,, could you tell me why? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | stupid packaging, probably | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug | 09:08 |
| wintige | Stskeeps:what'mean? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | means that it was packaged in a bad way in ubuntu | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | it should be statically linked or it's partly useless | 09:09 |
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| wintige | Stskeeps: em ,understand, thanks | 09:15 |
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| tcs-meego | how do i turn on the ssh on a meego netbook live image | 09:40 |
| wintige | I reinstall a meego sdk ,and can not open qt-creator ,anybody know it | 09:41 |
| thiago_home | tcs-meego: ensure that sshd is installed and running | 09:41 |
| thiago_home | tcs-meego: that's all | 09:41 |
| thiago_home | wintige: what was the error? | 09:42 |
| tcs-meego | thiago_home: i dont think sshd is running | 09:42 |
| thiago_home | tcs-meego: then run it | 09:42 |
| tcs-meego | thiago_home: i dont see sshd in init.d | 09:42 |
| thiago_home | tcs-meego: then it isn't installed. Install it. | 09:43 |
| tcs-meego | thiago_home: ok | 09:43 |
| wintige | thiago_home:QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme. Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: undefined symbol: _Z34QBasicAtomicInt_fetchAndAddOrderedPVii | 09:43 |
| thiago_home | that last one is a build error | 09:43 |
| thiago_home | hmm... what version of Qt does your distribution have? | 09:44 |
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| thiago_home | is there a file called /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/lib/libQtCore.so.4 ? | 09:45 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: no | 09:46 |
| thiago_home | can you find a libQtCore.so.4 somewhere in /opt/meego ? | 09:47 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: no. | 09:48 |
| thiago_home | there has to be one for it to work | 09:48 |
| thiago_home | how did you install that Qt Creator? | 09:48 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: I install it with meego-sdk, what lead this? | 09:49 |
| thiago_home | did you follow the instructions in the wiki? Or did you force the installation of anything? | 09:49 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: may be, I don't know ,,I try again. | 09:51 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: I failed again. | 10:07 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: I failed at step import the key | 10:10 |
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| AndyBleaden | hi all is there a terminal zypper type command that lists all installed packages | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | 10:50 |
| AndyBleaden | Stskeeps, ta very much | 10:50 |
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| tcs-meego | how do i install sshd on meego netbook live image? | 10:52 |
| tcs-meego | running on the netbook | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | tcs-meego: zypper in openssh-server | 10:53 |
| tcs-meego | stskeeps: thanks | 10:53 |
| tybollt | is zypper the pkg-tool of choice in meego? that is - not yum? | 10:54 |
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| tyson_ | yum is in fedora... zypper is in meego | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: zypper's way faster, so | 10:55 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: morning, teacher... | 10:55 |
| tybollt | yum is in most things redhat derivative IIRC, but fair enough, zypper it is then. :) | 10:55 |
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| wintige | I reinstall meego-sdk ,and find QT could not work,anybody know it? | 10:58 |
| wintige | ./meego-sdk-qtcreator:QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme. Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: undefined symbol: _Z34QBasicAtomicInt_fetchAndAddOrderedPVii | 10:58 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: that file can be found now | 11:00 |
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| tyson_ | if i want to add package group to my meego imatge, should i write .xml file for define the package group in my repo? | 11:01 |
| thiago | wintige: does it start? | 11:01 |
| thiago | or still the same error? | 11:01 |
| wintige | thiago_home: could not start the same error | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: createrepo take a '-g' parameter for those xml yes | 11:01 |
| thiago | can you ldd /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator | grep QtCore ? | 11:02 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: ldd /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator | grep QtCore shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 (0x023e7000) | 11:03 |
| thiago | wintige: huh... first of all cd somewhere | 11:03 |
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| thiago | it's picking up the wrong QtCore | 11:03 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: createrepo -d myrepo -g xxxx? | 11:03 |
| thiago | can you pastebin the result of: objdump -p /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator ? | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: right | 11:04 |
| GF911 | Hi. Guys, where can I configurate LAN in meego? It just doesn't want to see my ethernet. WiFi is available, but a wire... | 11:05 |
| wintige | thiago_home: yes ,http://pastebin.mozilla.org/872116 | 11:05 |
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| thiago | wintige: where did you say the other libQtCore is? | 11:06 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: for example, if i had a package group named "helloworld", and it include three package like this : hello, testhelio, seehello..what should i do about the command "createrepo"? :) | 11:07 |
| wintige | thiago_home: I find one in /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/lib | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: i don't remember right now, sorry | 11:09 |
| tcs-meego | surprisingly when i am trying to build using QtCreator i get the message :: error: Cannot open MADDE config file '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/tools/qt-tools-4.7.0-linux_i686/config.sh'... it doesnt exist.. but why am i getting this error? | 11:09 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: the directory./opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt didn't conatain the bin directory | 11:10 |
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| thiago | wintige: well, this is a build error | 11:11 |
| thiago | wintige: please report it to bugs.meego.com | 11:11 |
| thiago | wintige: include the error message you get, the libQtCore.so.4 line from the ldd output and the readelf output | 11:12 |
| thiago | include also the name and version of the distribution you're using | 11:12 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: never mind..thank you...i think i need write a .xml file for define the package group with package. and then follow your mean, use the "createrepo" with the option "-g (xml name)"..yes or no? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:13 |
| wintige | thiago_home: really, no other method? | 11:14 |
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| tyson_ | ah...i remeber need write the .xml file....so.... | 11:14 |
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| thiago | wintige: well, yes, but you still have to report the bug to get it fixed | 11:16 |
| thiago | wintige: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/lib | 11:16 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: I will do it later, and after exporting ,./meego-sdk-qtcreator ./meego-sdk-qtcreator: line 4: meego-sdk-qmake: command not found ./meego-sdk-qtcreator: line 5: meego-sdk-qmake: command not found ./meego-sdk-qtcreator: line 6: meego-sdk-qmake: command not found /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtNetwork.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv | 11:18 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: I think it lack many things | 11:19 |
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| thiago | that's the style now | 11:22 |
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| thiago | try starting qtcreator -style plastique | 11:22 |
| wintige | thiago_home: ls | 11:22 |
| thiago | ls? | 11:22 |
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| wintige | thiago_home: wrong window... | 11:22 |
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| wintige | thiago_home:not work. | 11:24 |
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| wintige | thiago_home:I have create target,.. is that ok? | 11:28 |
| thiago | ok, please report the issue | 11:28 |
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| thiago | what distribution are you running this on? | 11:28 |
| wintige | thiago_home:sorry ,I haven't create target,.. is that ok? | 11:29 |
| thiago | what target? | 11:29 |
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| wintige | thiago_home:mad-admin create -f meego-handset-ia32-1.1 | 11:31 |
| thiago | follow the instructions to the letter | 11:31 |
| wintige | thiago_home:I think qt can run before do it ,,right? | 11:32 |
| thiago | it's a bug | 11:32 |
| thiago | have you reported already? | 11:33 |
| wintige | thiago_home:no.. | 11:33 |
| thiago | what distribution are you running this on? | 11:34 |
| wintige | thiago_home:you mean my host? fedora13 | 11:36 |
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| thiago | yes, thanks | 11:36 |
| thiago | it should be supported, so please report | 11:36 |
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| tcs-meego | where can i get 'qt-tools-4.7.0-linux_i686/config.sh'. It seems to have gone and is stopping my build | 11:38 |
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| tcs-meego | sorry people was pointing to the wrong qmake | 11:43 |
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| wintige | thiago:I think I should do it carefully,and report it at the end , I often make some error for myself , | 11:45 |
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| tcs-meego | I just have a meego live image running on a netbook with openssh-server running on it.. I configured it as a device succesfully in qt-creator and am getting no errors on hitting RUN for the project. How do i see the screen on the netbook.. I cant see any popup on the meego netbook | 11:52 |
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| Ereshkigals_Wed | greeting | 11:59 |
| Ereshkigals_Wed | s | 11:59 |
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| Indianlastvendet | hello . i am trying to create meego image to install it to nand of n900 means ubi image. i get following errors ." error: max_leb_cnt too low (4196 needed). any help on this | 12:00 |
| Indianlastvendet | pls | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Indianlastvendet: the N900 image does not fit in NAND anymore | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Indianlastvendet: make a -f raw image like we write in our guides | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | error means 'file system too big for image' | 12:02 |
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| Indianlastvendet | ooh it means that i will not be able to flash it natively on n900. i will have to use mmc or chroot. right? | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | use a microsd like the rest of us poor souls :) | 12:04 |
| Myrtti | hm. I wonder would it be any better with MeeGo http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/dell-inspiron-duo-review/ | 12:05 |
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| Indianlastvendet | :) thnk you very much folk. just to introduce my self I am yasir new to linux and meego just first time with irc :) | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | good luck with n900 then :) | 12:06 |
| Indianlastvendet | thnks. just purchased week back | 12:07 |
| Indianlastvendet | but enjoying every bit of it | 12:07 |
| Ereshkigals_Wed | meego is nice | 12:10 |
| Ereshkigals_Wed | im running it on my dell mini 1012 | 12:11 |
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| slaine | Phew | 12:41 |
| slaine | had a hard sell defending MeeGo on the lug channel there | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | which one of the discussions, trademark, rpm vs deb, intel teh evil corporation, or? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P{ | 12:41 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: the !android one | 12:42 |
| timoph | :) | 12:42 |
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| slaine | Given that most of them are googlers, it wasn't hard to imagine anything else being the basis of it. | 12:42 |
| slaine | I think I did well though | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | that techeye article is getting way too much attention | 12:43 |
| slaine | yeah | 12:44 |
| slaine | the only piece I've seen that was negative about the conf | 12:45 |
| slaine | texrats comment was spot on too | 12:45 |
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| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=885600&postcount=63 was my reaction | 12:49 |
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| vilvo | Stskeeps: care to verify bug 10652 ? | 12:50 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10652 nor, Undecided, ---, ville.p.ilvonen, RESO FIXED, Acceptance URLs has a trailing space in them | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | vilvo: yes, if you'll take a look at http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Key%20Basic%20/N900 too ;) | 12:51 |
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| * vilvo so happy when bugs get fixed without "management" and "triaging" | 12:52 | |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i'm off now. it's time to go home..byebye.. see you. | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: bye | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | vilvo: i'm more happy that i without bad conciousness can tell people to report a bug, knowing they'll be handled | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | and not just ignored | 12:53 |
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| vilvo | Stskeeps: I had to reopen #10652, thanks for your input - I really appreciate it and your way to give it | 12:55 |
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| vilvo | should you have defined the title of bug to something like "qa-reports.meego.com URLs have trailing spaces in them" it would have been more generic ;) | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | i just noticed the second one when verifying :) | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | thp: http://meego.com/developers/requirements basically - and bugs.meego.com -> file a bug -> meego features. http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Features&query_format=advanced&version=1.2&product=MeeGo%20Core%20OS%20Features for examples | 13:28 |
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| thp | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 13:39 |
| thp | Stskeeps: so i can just reassign the bug to features? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | thp: possibly | 13:40 |
| thp | Stskeeps: "You can't move a bug to a feature product, or a feature to a bug product, unless you are a Feature Administrator or Feature Editor." | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | probably easier to make one then | 13:42 |
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| tybollt | It is not a bug - it's a feature. | 13:48 |
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| sivang | hi all | 14:00 |
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| sivang | hey thp | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn sivang | 14:00 |
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| slaine | hey | 14:01 |
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| sivang | hi Stskeeps , slaine :) | 14:05 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: morn | 14:06 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: should become IRC's generic hello | 14:06 |
| sivang | :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | ~ugt | 14:06 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 14:06 |
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| thp | sivang: hey :) | 14:08 |
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| sivang | thp: how's it going ? | 14:08 |
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| Chani | haha | 14:08 |
| sivang | Chani: ? | 14:08 |
| Chani | UGT. :) | 14:08 |
| thp | fine, thanks :) the holidays are "near". how's it going for you? | 14:09 |
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| lolloo | infobot: <3 | 14:10 |
| infobot | I love you. <3 | 14:10 |
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| sivang | hmm thp just went away | 14:12 |
| sivang | so I guess ti is late | 14:12 |
| sivang | ~botsnack | 14:13 |
| infobot | :), sivang | 14:13 |
| sivang | ~botsnack | 14:13 |
| Termana | hey sivang | 14:13 |
| sivang | hey Termana :) | 14:13 |
| Termana | don't feed the bot too much, he's been getting a little puffy lately | 14:13 |
| Termana | :P | 14:13 |
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| sivang | thp: oh, there you are, I'm recovering from a very bad flu and throat infection, but otherwise good | 14:15 |
| sivang | thp: wish I had some holidays coming :) | 14:15 |
| sivang | Termana: well, it's a she no? | 14:15 |
| Termana | sivang, err.. I suppose | 14:16 |
| Termana | that's what I meant | 14:16 |
| Termana | She | 14:16 |
| Termana | infobot, hide me | 14:16 |
| * infobot gets a huge black sheet and covers termana with it so that nobody can see what termana is doing! | 14:16 | |
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| sivang | thp: there's an app (+ some little framework) I'm working on, but I'm now just researching a good backend. | 14:19 |
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| lbt | hey Stskeeps .... I shivered myself warm :) | 14:21 |
| Termana | hello lbt | 14:22 |
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| lbt | sitting in Henri's place and playing with community BOSS | 14:25 |
| lbt | hey Termana | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: are you on a finnair flight this time around? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | (as they're striking) | 14:25 |
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| lbt | luckily I fly out Finnair and back BA | 14:34 |
| lbt | so should be airborne tonight | 14:34 |
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| sturvey | anbaldwi: ping | 14:45 |
| anbaldwi | sturvey: pong | 14:46 |
| sturvey | anbaldwi: Do you have any experience with meego 1.1 handset on qemu? | 14:46 |
| anbaldwi | sturvey: no | 14:46 |
| sturvey | anbaldwi: darn. general shout it is then. | 14:47 |
| Jaffa | lbt: BA had some problems out of Heathrow last night. | 14:49 |
| sivang | Jaffa: cargo issues? | 14:50 |
| sturvey | anbaldwi: arrggh. It's just started working. | 14:50 |
| sivang | Jaffa: they had some delayes when I flu with them to dublin, the cargo tunnels jammed and there was a delay | 14:50 |
| sivang | Jaffa: also fuel leaked onto a part of the taxi runway contributing to a slight delay afterwards | 14:50 |
| sivang | they are great otherwise | 14:51 |
| lcuk | sivang, so THATS why the ideapads were delayed! | 14:51 |
| sivang | lcuk: heh | 14:51 |
| lcuk | its a series of cargo tunnels | 14:51 |
| sivang | ah | 14:51 |
| bunk | sivang: Brits are not used to snow | 14:52 |
| sivang | bunk: oh they aren't? | 14:52 |
| sivang | I was sure they were | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | sivang, we are used to stopping when it snows | 14:53 |
| sivang | http://www.heathrowairport.com/portal/page/Heathrow%5EGeneral%5EOur%20business%20and%20community%5EMedia%20centre%5EPress%20releases%5EResults/7d31c2264879c210VgnVCM20000039821c0a____/a22889d8759a0010VgnVCM200000357e120a____/ | 14:53 |
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| sivang | lcuk: heh, like when it drops a bit here :) | 14:53 |
| sivang | lcuk: everything stands still for a couple of rain drops | 14:53 |
| sturvey | sivang: we even stockpiled 20 kilotonnes of salt in London to make sure the humilation was complete when the completely predictable snow finally fell. | 14:54 |
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| lampe2 | hey how can i connect to a ieee8021x wlan ? | 14:55 |
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| lampe2 | when i klick on connect nothing happens | 14:55 |
| sivang | sturvey: at least they planned for it | 14:55 |
| sturvey | sivang: planning vs. execution - as always | 14:56 |
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| sivang | sturvey: imagine there's no planning at all and things happen at random :) | 14:57 |
| sivang | I think heathrow is going to be a pretty airport after the rebuilding works. But even while at work, it was pleasent to be in | 14:58 |
| sivang | if only it had free wifi :) | 14:58 |
| * bunk is used to seeing a bagger a few times a day carrying away the snow in the courtyard when it snows | 14:58 | |
| sturvey | sivang: It takes great skill to spend months planning and still give the impression of chaos. I salute my London city overlords for their snow-fu. | 14:59 |
| bunk | oh, false friend, s/bagger/excavator/ | 15:00 |
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| lampe2 | argh i cant connect to ieee8021x secured netowrks :((((( | 15:01 |
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| FunkyPenguin | could someone advise as to the location of the srpms for 1.0.5 please? | 15:19 |
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| GF911 | Guys, my Meego doesn't see USB sticks when I insert them. Maybe there's something I need to do before inserting?.. or after. | 15:22 |
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| GF911 | Anyone? | 15:27 |
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| Termana | GF911, sorry I don't know much about the netbook version myself, but check to make sure it appears with dmesg and if it does and the usb sticks aren't accessible like they should be normally or the netbook UX, file a bug. And if it doesn't show up in dmesg, you'll probably want to file a bug anyway | 15:29 |
| Termana | normally for the* | 15:30 |
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| halvors1 | Is there releqased some Meego-based phones yet? | 15:40 |
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| jonnor | halvors: no Meego-based phones have been released, nor announced. | 15:56 |
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| jonnor | You can make it run with minimal hassel on the Nokia N900 or the Intel Aava platform | 15:57 |
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| CosmoHill | I got under-steer AND over-steer on my road | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, fun | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | kinda | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | I had oversteer whilst coming up to a parked car :/ | 16:06 |
| CosmoHill | fyi my car is front wheel drive | 16:07 |
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| Chani | http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2010/11/26/the-biology-of-sloppy-code/ <-- good article | 16:15 |
| * CosmoHill looks at Chani to see if he's seen him before | 16:15 | |
| CosmoHill | I've clicked to many random links in here >.< | 16:15 |
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| Chani | CosmoHill: it's just a blog post, nothing umb :) | 16:22 |
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| lcuk | Chani, one of the examples (about catching exceptions) isnt always avoidable, it depends on the library you are using | 16:22 |
| Chani | no flash even, afaik | 16:22 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, its a decent article | 16:23 |
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| Chani | meh, examples.. it's hte comparison to the big bang that's cool :) | 16:23 |
| Chani | and sciences. I nevre really thought about chem and bio from that perspective | 16:23 |
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| * lcuk smiles | 16:24 | |
| lcuk | i hadnt gotten that far down page | 16:24 |
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| rmd_ | OK.. so I accidentally booted the Moblin 2.1 image... how do I turn the computer off? | 16:25 |
| lcuk | rmd_, power button | 16:25 |
| rmd_ | Ah, the power button. | 16:25 |
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| Chani | hehe | 16:25 |
| Chani | took me a while to get that too :) | 16:25 |
| rmd_ | it's a little counter-intuitive, from other Linux distros. :-P | 16:25 |
| * rmd_ downloads meego netbook to replace this mobline image. | 16:26 | |
| nedrichards | rmd_: press it twice and it'll override the countdown as well | 16:26 |
| lcuk | Chani, sitting on a beach, no tools or libraries or code around, but you can still build a cool sand castle :) | 16:26 |
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| magius_pendragon | hey everyone, new to meego. 1) is it possible to use lvm? 2) how can I move stuff between zones? 3) how do i set ctrl:nocaps? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | magius_pendragon, spyro was looking at lvm for debian stuffs | 16:27 |
| nedrichards | magius_pendragon: for 2) drag and drop | 16:27 |
| nedrichards | in the zones panel | 16:27 |
| magius_pendragon | nedrichards: cool thanks | 16:27 |
| * lcuk dislikes drag and drop (especially fiddly things) on touch devices | 16:28 | |
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| GF911 | guys, another question. When I try to update the system I get "security signature not found" error. What's that? | 16:28 |
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| magius_pendragon | fair point. That was actually a tertiary concern, happened as soon as I started typing the other questions. Came here mostly for #3 :p | 16:29 |
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| nedrichards | lcuk: agreed, although netbook was designed specifically for keyboard and touchpad devices | 16:29 |
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| CosmoHill | GF911: it means you don't have the sig for that RPM repo | 16:29 |
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| CosmoHill | so your computer doesn't know if the packages are legitimate or not | 16:30 |
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| lcuk | nedrichards, are you really sure.. | 16:30 |
| GF911 | Oh, shi... teach the lamer how to get that sig? | 16:30 |
| GF911 | Please. :) | 16:30 |
| nedrichards | lcuk: I designed it. I'm pretty sure. | 16:30 |
| lcuk | since keyboard input does not work when you use superkey ;) | 16:30 |
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| Chani | lcuk: really? I wouldn't thought touchscreens make d&d easier. | 16:31 |
| Chani | unless you've got stuff competing for the drag. I hate drag-to-scroll | 16:31 |
| * Chani wants a hardware scrollwheel :) | 16:32 | |
| lcuk | nedrichards, \o/ | 16:33 |
| nedrichards | lcuk: ;-) | 16:33 |
| lcuk | nedrichards, press superkey, then "m" or something to get to media tab | 16:33 |
| lcuk | or even just left/right to show the different tabs | 16:33 |
| nedrichards | lcuk: yeah, that's actually something we wanted to do for *ages* | 16:33 |
| lcuk | yeah its a bug report now | 16:33 |
| nedrichards | but it's more complicated than you'd think | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | of course, it always is | 16:34 |
| nedrichards | to do with the keyboard grabs etc. and not stealing focus | 16:34 |
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| nedrichards | the one shortcut i use all the time is alt+f2 | 16:34 |
| lcuk | but you brought the topbar up, it is taking keyboard anyway | 16:34 |
| nedrichards | which opens the applications panel | 16:34 |
| nedrichards | then you can type and hit enter to launch | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | nice tip :) | 16:35 |
| nedrichards | lcuk: sure, now I am not the author of that code but having a keyboard activation and a mouse activation path wasn't seen as ideal, amongst other stuff | 16:35 |
| nedrichards | but yeah, it's a weakness | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | nedrichards, you just happily given folks a workaround for some aspects of it | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | nedrichards, can the topmenubar be made to appear at the bottom | 16:37 |
| magius_pendragon | anyone have tips on getting rid of caps lock? I've always either set it in xorg config (not working), or gnome keyboard settings (doesn't exist?) | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, WHY DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF CAPSLOCK? | 16:38 |
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| berndhs | magius_pendragon: I just pry the key out of the keyboard, usually | 16:38 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: might not matter in a few weeks, but i make it an additional ctrl, and my finger gets confused | 16:39 |
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| nedrichards | lcuk: nope, it's fixed at the top | 16:40 |
| lcuk | nedrichards, shame, its at the wrong end for combined keyboard use (makes it an extra stretch to reach on the touchscreen) | 16:40 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: are you working on touchscreen devel or something? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | magius_pendragon, i dabble. | 16:41 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I got pointed to meego because this is going on a modded slate. I'm eventually gonna want to try that out :p | 16:43 |
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| tmzt_g2root | magius_pendragon: the setings in xorg.conf just do stuff with xkb, I would suggest downloading xkeyboard-config and modifying it that way if the defaults don't work for you | 16:44 |
| magius_pendragon | okay | 16:45 |
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| magius_pendragon | hmm, how do I run said program? zypper says I already have it | 16:46 |
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| lcuk | cool magius_pendragon | 16:47 |
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| gour | hello...i was experimenting with meego-1.0 on my desktop machine running it under vbox...now i'm considering to buy dell's 1018 and have meego as the only OS. has situation with drivers for 3g/wifi improved in 1.1? | 16:58 |
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| magius_pendragon | tmzt_g2root: how do I use this? | 17:06 |
| tmzt_g2root | what are you trying to do? | 17:06 |
| magius_pendragon | set the option ctrl:nocaps | 17:06 |
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| tmzt_g2root | how were you doing it before? | 17:12 |
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| tmzt_g2root | what line in xorg.conf I mean | 17:12 |
| magius_pendragon | tmzt_g2root: never did it in meego. My desktop uses gnome (2.30.2), it's in the keyboard layout settings. Used to be you could set Options "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" in xorg.conf. | 17:12 |
| magius_pendragon | I tried it here, and it caused X to fail to load, and I can't see logs so I dunno what went wrong | 17:13 |
| magius_pendragon | (or at lest, logs aren't where I expected them to be) | 17:13 |
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| tmzt_g2root | magius_pendragon: you might want to try in #xorg then | 17:14 |
| tmzt_g2root | I had a way to set the defaults, but I can't find the options | 17:14 |
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| magius_pendragon | tmzt_g2root: about which part? setting options, or missing logs? | 17:15 |
| magius_pendragon | the option is still in evdev according to /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst | 17:15 |
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| nedrichards | magius_pendragon: I can't remember if the gnome keyboard settings are just hidden or if they're not installed, but they may be in the repo or launchable from the command line | 17:16 |
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| magius_pendragon | nedrichards: there's keyboard settings in the settings panel, but it doesn't have the extra layout options | 17:16 |
| nedrichards | right-o, that won't help then | 17:17 |
| magius_pendragon | nedrichards: that's why I came in here :) | 17:18 |
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| nedrichards | sure, apologies for not reading more closely | 17:18 |
| magius_pendragon | none needed | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | thp ping | 17:28 |
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| harris | hi | 17:38 |
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| harris | Is lbt around? | 17:38 |
| harris | Ibt | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | a little but don't say that infront of him | 17:39 |
| lcuk | harris, lbt (its an L) is normally around | 17:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm guessing you'd like an account on the MeeGo COBS? | 17:39 |
| harris | you guessed it | 17:40 |
| * CosmoHill pokes X-Fade | 17:40 | |
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| harris | So what do I need to do get an account in Meego COBS | 17:41 |
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| CosmoHill | you just need to ask X-Fade or lbt very nicely | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | and be registerd on meego.com | 17:42 |
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| gour | can one use stick using rt2870 driver on meego? | 17:42 |
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| harris | hi X-Fade | 17:44 |
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| thp | lcuk: pong | 17:47 |
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| jonnor | gour: Meego uses a stock 2.6.35, so if you can use it with that then yes | 17:47 |
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| jonnor | The easiest might be to try-it-and-see | 17:47 |
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| gour | jonnor: ta | 17:48 |
| gour | i'm researching prior to buying netbook :-) | 17:48 |
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| harris | hi APARNA | 17:56 |
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| aparna | hi harris | 18:03 |
| harris | I have a question for you Aparna? | 18:04 |
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| harris | Does Meego support USB Mouse ? | 18:05 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: 40mph is the magic number, that is when the snow blows off my car and onto the car behind me :p | 18:05 |
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| CosmoHill | of course I didn't clear the bonnet so that back fired | 18:05 |
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| CosmoHill | harris: you mean any USB mouse connected to the computer/ | 18:06 |
| harris | I meant USB mouse connected to the Meego Dev board | 18:06 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm assuming meego will support any usb mouce | 18:07 |
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| harris | i tried it today but it didnt work | 18:08 |
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| CosmoHill | did the mouce light up? | 18:08 |
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| aparna | harris u mean USB connected to laptop? | 18:09 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | CosmoHill, always remember to steer into a skid. | 18:14 |
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| thopiekar | Hi I've got a N800 and I'm new in meego.. I've seen Stskeeps on youtube with a N8x0 device and meego running on it. Question is whether it is possible to run the IVI on it.. | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | Alison_Chaiken: that was so weird, I just asked for tips on snow driving in another channel | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | Probably nor | 18:15 |
| GAN900 | I'd bet IVI needs OpenGL. | 18:15 |
| thopiekar | I heard "kickstarter" makes images for the different targets.. | 18:15 |
| thopiekar | :| | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | isn't the IVI x86? | 18:15 |
| thopiekar | yep the prebuild image on the website | 18:16 |
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| CosmoHill | a kickstart assembles the rpm files | 18:16 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | GAN900, it's my understanding that OpenGL is integral to MeeGo and will be needed for all the images. | 18:16 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, you need openGL if you want to run meego core? I dont think so | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: gl or gles2.0 is baseline to be compliant | 18:18 |
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| mwichmann | you do on netbooks | 18:18 |
| mwichmann | qt is built against gl there | 18:18 |
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| mwichmann | gles on arm, as is about to get pointed out | 18:19 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, really? So you cant be meego core compliant without GL support... | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: i think there's room for a embedded meego initiative, leveraging same tools/ability, but not meego compliant.. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: where 'emgo' apps will run on meego too | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | and provide a lesser api for modern embedded target | 18:21 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, i read your post | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:22 |
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| aparna | anyone tried installing MeeGo on Intel Dev board? | 18:23 |
| arfoll | not sure i think it'll work. most ISVs are fine with 'based on meego' and dont give a damn abou tbeing compliant | 18:23 |
| arfoll | aparna, theres quite a few of them... | 18:23 |
| lcuk | aparna, i have meego on an intel/lenovo ideapad if that counts as devboard *grin* | 18:23 |
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| aparna | lcuk/arfoll which image from the repo was used for it. I mean the link from repo.meego.com | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: well, its still a win to some extent, more users of platform, but if we can avoid major fragmentation before it happens.. | 18:24 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, the question of the size of the minimal MeeGo core is not decided for sure I think. But if (for example), you wanted to run MeeGo kernel and middleware on a feature phone without graphics, do you care about "MeeGo compliance" | 18:24 |
| lcuk | aparna, not sure tbh! i was using the usb key we got at the conf | 18:24 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you know which stable image it was from the conf? | 18:24 |
| aparna | ah ok. | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no | 18:24 |
| arfoll | aparna, which dev board? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, because that usb is awesome, it just works on different things too | 18:25 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | It concerns me that the MeeGo spec has no minimum HW requirements. I think Microsoft's definition of minimally compliant HW for Windows Phone 7 is a good idea. "Minimum" could be fairly low. HW below that level could be shipped, but not with label "MeeGo compliant." | 18:25 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, you seem to think meego == phone | 18:26 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, hmm? | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | there was a whole list of requirements | 18:26 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: how is meego running on the N8x0's? any chance to get IVI running.. | 18:26 |
| lcuk | at the conf | 18:26 |
| thopiekar | I use my N800 almost in my car, so.. | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/18/meego-1-2-will-require-minimum-specs-600-mhz-cpu-512-mb-ram/ | 18:27 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, ^ | 18:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, not all. I am mostly not concentrating on phone in my work, as it happens. But same comments go for tablet, tv, etc. Really lousy HW can ruin the MeeGo brand for consumers no matter what form factor it takes. | 18:27 |
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| arfoll | lcuk, how is that official? | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | Alison_Chaiken: This is in progress, AIUI. See the "profiles" | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | arfoll, thats reporting on what official people stood in a keynote and said | 18:28 |
| lcuk | i just found first link | 18:28 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Aha, lcuk and Jaffa. Thanks! | 18:28 |
| arfoll | but those are estimates, like saying i think meego needs 512MB of ram to run | 18:28 |
| keithel | Hello all -- I have a basic Meego question -- I'm hoping someone might know. | 18:28 |
| keithel | I've got a scratchbox environment set up for meego, and have apt-get updated my packages so I'm using libqt4-dev packaged release from git 20101118 | 18:29 |
| lcuk | arfoll, and what do you expect them to say? we require 511.465Mb of memory when using a single application which rises to 511.466 after a single extra? | 18:29 |
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| aparna | Its a sooke harbour board. We have tried http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.8.20101130.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-mtf/ on it. | 18:30 |
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| arfoll | lcuk, one of the keynotes said you needed 1gb to run. since the UI/apps are going to take most of the ram and thats nearly always going to be custom it's not like they can really impose minimum specs | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | lo dawn, had a nice vacation? | 18:30 |
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| aparna | arfoll/lcuk any idea if it the right image to try that on board? | 18:30 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: I had a lovely vacation :) | 18:31 |
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| arfoll | aparna, whats the chipset? | 18:31 |
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| aparna | arfoll its an intel moorestone board | 18:32 |
| arfoll | and tbh intel should be able to answer that question better. Some boards have images that arent on repo.meego.com | 18:32 |
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| arfoll | the mtf build would seem ok then | 18:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, you link gives "tweets from the conference" as the source for minimum MeeGo HW specs. Did anyone hear a Grownup announce those specs from a podium? I'd like to see them in the Compliance doc myself. And I'd like to see OMAP4 instead of OMAP3 too . . . ! | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: view handset ux roadmap talk | 18:33 |
| mwichmann | they're intended for the spec, but I've not heard any finalized yet | 18:33 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, just relaying what I remember | 18:33 |
| aparna | arfoll touch doesnt seem to be working on it. anyone faced this problem | 18:33 |
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| mwichmann | and the only current profile is netbook, a lot less "interesting" in this regard | 18:33 |
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| nidO | that article doesnt actually specify but presumably those requirements only apply to the handset flavour | 18:33 |
| lcuk | and the week before the conference, this spec was noted as being still being discussed | 18:34 |
| arfoll | aparna, no idea on aava touchscreen works | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | i still 256m should be more than enough if we were more clever re memory usage on handset :) | 18:34 |
| * lcuk agrees with Stskeeps | 18:34 | |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, i agree with that too - and i dont think we should have hardware specs | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | but so it goes | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | it will be better in the long run to actively consider this | 18:34 |
| arfoll | if i want meego on my washing machine maybe i only need 128mb of ram | 18:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | mwichmann and lcuk, do I understand that these specs are being discussed for the MeeGo 1.2 compliance document? Or is there a separate parallel HW spec in the works? | 18:35 |
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| mwichmann | I'd expect to see several profiles for 1.2, yes | 18:35 |
| mwichmann | as to hdw minimums... we'll see what people eventually agree should go in, | 18:35 |
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| mwichmann | but that was mentioned as an intent | 18:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, I agree with you that you can run MeeGo on any device you want, but what we are discussing is whether you can call a device "MeeGo Compliant" | 18:35 |
| mwichmann | you know, so we can have one Angry Birds binary instead of two :) | 18:36 |
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| berndhs | if "compliant" is defined just right, there will be a big market for "non-compliant" products :) | 18:37 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, maybe i want to make a meego compliant washing machine? | 18:37 |
| arfoll | either way it looks like armv5 is going to be meego compliant.... | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hm? | 18:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, do you think consumers would care about MeeGo compliance on a washing machine? Don't they only care about price? Of course HP is putting WebOS on printers. | 18:38 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, my point is that you're making assumption. it's fully possible people want a smart washing machine that tells them when their clothes are dry via twitter and that connect to the net | 18:39 |
| Bostik | Alison_Chaiken: they may not care about "compliance" but if their neighbour has a flashier UI which doesn't lag, they do care about that | 18:39 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, the armv5 was just meant as in they used to build it i'm guessing they'll start again sometime | 18:40 |
| berndhs | Alison_Chaiken: one concern it that "compliant" does not end up saying "limited" | 18:40 |
| nidO | Alison_Chaiken, it depends on what restrictions end up being placed on devices that arent compliant. Those supposed minimum specs require a GSM modem, consumers wont be too impressed if they get the same lame-ass restrictions as the android market, in that their wifi-only meego tablet cant access proper app stores because its not "compliant" | 18:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Bostik, what I fear is consumers saying, "MeeGo barely works" because they have purchased an underpowered device. | 18:40 |
| Bostik | arfoll: my coworker already enjoys a bluetooth-enabled washing machine - it prevents him from forgetting that he put the thing on when his phone beeps | 18:40 |
| arfoll | nidO, gsm modem would suck if you want a CDMA phone | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: i doubt v5 is making a return, personally | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | nidO, it wont be "MeeGo" if it's not compliant. | 18:41 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, maybe not but there is definately at least one person using armv5 with meego - do you think he wont be allowed to apply for meego compliance? | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | LTE and CDMA were discussed as 1.3 things at the conference. | 18:42 |
| nidO | GAN900: well, those supposed specs require a GSM/HSPA/CDMA modem. if thats going to be a genuine requirement, whats the use-case supposed to be for a gsm/cdma modem in a meego television? | 18:42 |
| arfoll | Bostik, thats kinda cool. btw washing machine is just a silly example I dont want a meego washign machine. although i might be warming up to the idea | 18:42 |
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| arfoll | nidO, i dont think they need gsm/cdma modems as part of compliance. if you want to sell a phone you put them in. otherwise you dont... seems fairly simple | 18:43 |
| lolloo | guys, am trying to install meego sdk on windows xp, I folowed instruction, when I reach the part saying Run Mad-admin and some huge file will be downloaded... it succefully downloads but the problem is my connection always resets and I have to download again | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | nidO, think those are the Handset specs. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: that is not a bad question | 18:43 |
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| Bostik | arfoll: I can think of people actually wanting some kind of integrated and "smart" thing on their fridges; I for one would love to just to see what wife has put on shopping list and then simply flash my phone next to it and get it transferred via NFC | 18:44 |
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| nidO | GAN900: ah okay, that isnt specified in the article so wasnt clear whether it's just for a specific ux or not | 18:44 |
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| arfoll | Bostik, lol O2 tried and failed. but maybe its possible. | 18:44 |
| lolloo | I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1120101031.2201 | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: was gles/egl part of platform or meego api? | 18:44 |
| lolloo | where can I find it so I can download it aneully | 18:44 |
| lolloo | ? | 18:44 |
| lolloo | manuelly* | 18:44 |
| lcuk | magius_pendragon, i don't generally discuss stuff in PM, so please talk out here | 18:45 |
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| mwichmann | Stskeeps: because we know the gl story is changing, it had to be platform | 18:45 |
| lolloo | I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201 | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: k | 18:45 |
| lolloo | I want to download it manualy | 18:45 |
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| lolloo | mad-admin runs slow when downloading also doesnt have resume download | 18:45 |
| lolloo | so I always have to restart the download | 18:46 |
| lolloo | also the file is huge about 700mb | 18:46 |
| lolloo | can some one link me a direct link for me to download | 18:47 |
| GAN900 | nidO, I'd assume, anyway. | 18:47 |
| GAN900 | nidO, but I can't say I've been super impressed with the specs or the process around them so far, so. . . . | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: i guess my main thought is that in a year, those systems you would normally target meego and qt on, will typically have gles2 too | 18:48 |
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| lolloo | I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201 | 18:49 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, you're probably right but it seems like a shame to limit what is possible by arbitrary "requirements" | 18:50 |
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| lolloo | can someone upload it for me please? | 18:50 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: well, capability such as gles2 i can understand, MB .. not so much | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | mb is for handset profile though | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | I wanted now to install the image creator, but apt says that the meta-index is malformed.. | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | * Ubuntu 10.04 | 18:51 |
| CosmoHill | lolloo: give me the link to the file | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | I'm using 10.10 and I think the 10.04 repo should work fine for me, too | 18:52 |
| lolloo | wiki.meego.com/SDLK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows | 18:52 |
| lolloo | wiki.meego.com/SDK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows | 18:52 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, we'll see. so far linpus get away with using networkmanager instead of connman and call it meego | 18:52 |
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| lolloo | 4th part step 3 CosmoHill | 18:52 |
| lolloo | where it says launch MADDE | 18:53 |
| Jaffa | arfoll: Do we *know* Linpus are actually using networkmanager, rather than just *saying* they do. | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: that one was a bit of a wtf | 18:53 |
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| lolloo | I need direct link for it please because MADDE TERMINAL is slow very slow | 18:54 |
| lolloo | when downloading | 18:54 |
| arfoll | Jaffa, its a good point. maybe their marketing got it wrong... | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: do we have any products using meego trademark legally atm? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | (can only recall suse meego discussion) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | and i dont mean smeegol :P | 18:55 |
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| CosmoHill | lolloo: I can't find it | 18:56 |
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| mwichmann | Stskeeps: I'm not privy to that info as things stand... LF would know (ibrahim) | 18:56 |
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| lolloo | mmm you shouldnt thats the point | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: alright | 18:56 |
| lolloo | I need it as a download link not as a command to input | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess it wouldnt be a bad TSG discussion | 18:57 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders what is on agenda for TSG tonight | 19:01 | |
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| berndhs | very specific today: | 19:02 |
| berndhs | Agenda | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: The same thing which was supposed to be on the last time the meeting was postponed? | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i dont recall it being postponed, but backlog looks like i should attend if hardfp is on there.. | 19:03 |
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| lolloo | so anyone would kindly upload this file for me | 19:06 |
| lolloo | I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201 | 19:06 |
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| ezjd | Is lbt online? I'd like to apply to access Community OBS? | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | ~lbt | 19:47 |
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| CosmoHill | ~seen lbt | 19:48 |
| infobot | lbt <~david@84.20.132.113> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 5h 13m 42s ago, saying: 'so should be airborne tonight'. | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | you took your time | 19:48 |
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| thopiekar | thopiekar@linux-ng26:~/meego> sudo mic-image-creator --config=handset-armv5tel-n810.ks --format=vmdk --cache=mycache | 19:48 |
| thopiekar | ['/usr/bin/mic-image-creator', '--config=handset-armv5tel-n810.ks', '--format=vmdk', '--cache=mycache'] | 19:48 |
| thopiekar | [main] | 19:48 |
| thopiekar | use_comps=1 | 19:48 |
| thopiekar | default_ks=default.ks | 19:48 |
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| CosmoHill | numpty | 19:49 |
| jonnor | ezjd: you can ping X-Fade as well | 19:49 |
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| CosmoHill | thopiekar: wait! use pastebin.org | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | sorry | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | ~seen X-Fade | 19:50 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (9h 3m 53s) #meego (9h 3m 53s), last said: 'I don't know the dirty details of qtm coding, so I can't help you.'. | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | just passed my outputs to the wrong window :( | 19:50 |
| thopiekar | sorry!! | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | no problem, you got kicked before it became annoying | 19:50 |
| ezjd | Thx! Is X-Fade here? | 19:51 |
| thopiekar | got problems making a image for N8x0's: http://pastebin.com/RXxkF8dJ <- Stskeeps | 19:52 |
| CosmoHill | thopiekar: did you use arm5le? | 19:54 |
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| thopiekar | you mean because I'm making a vmdk? uhm.. does it matter which output I take? just wanted to test whether the creator works.. | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | thopiekar: the problem seems to be that there is no armv5tel repo on the server | 19:55 |
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| thopiekar | in case to use it later for my n800 I'll need to choose jffs2 right? | 19:55 |
| thopiekar | aah | 19:55 |
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| thopiekar | but how could I use then the image for the n8x0? these devices use the armv5tel arch | 19:56 |
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| CosmoHill | IIRC Stskeeps' N8X0 work was done privatly, I.E not on the meego server | 19:56 |
| orzel | hello. Do you know if there's any chance that the nokia C7 will ever run meego ? | 19:56 |
| orzel | seeing how close symbian and meego are | 19:57 |
| orzel | (at least at high level) | 19:57 |
| adeus | slim to none | 19:57 |
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| orzel | ah? :( | 19:57 |
| javispedro | which package to install on meego netbook to get the /lib/modules/.../build symlink working? | 19:57 |
| javispedro | I have kernel-headers, yet the symlink is broken | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | javispedro: it will never work | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | . = current, .. = parent ... = wtf? | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | er.. | 19:58 |
| adeus | "zypper in /my/file"? | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | unless that was a typo you made on irc | 19:58 |
| thopiekar | CosmoHill: so as I can see there is no interest in N8x0 devices(, maybe because of the missing oGL support?) | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | there is | 19:58 |
| javispedro | s/.../$(uname -r) | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | but there is nothing official at the moment | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | thopiekar: you can try looking on here: http://repo.pub.meego.com/ | 19:59 |
| msvb1 | Just compiled the latest linux kernel (2.6.36) for kernel-netbook | 20:01 |
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| msvb1 | …and it's running fine right now on Meego 1.1. | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 20:01 |
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| msvb1 | But I had to strip out all the patches from the official kernel package. | 20:02 |
| lcuk | i thought meego was upstream first!? | 20:02 |
| msvb1 | …most were integrated into the new kernel sources anyway probably. | 20:02 |
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| SineOt | Mornin' | 20:02 |
| msvb1 | Upstream yes, but there are hundreds of patches in the kernel package. | 20:02 |
| msvb1 | I guess because of the different natures of hardware, handset, TV, netbook... | 20:03 |
| SineOt | Does anyone know how to change the font size in Empathy? :C This whole 32 point thing kind of gets old after a while... | 20:03 |
| msvb1 | It might have even sorted out the wireless driver problem I was having. | 20:03 |
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| msvb1 | …atheros 9K on the ideapad seems to work better now. | 20:03 |
| msvb1 | …but I'll have to keep testing that (the opensource driver I mean.) | 20:04 |
| SineOt | Heh. I'm still waiting for the rtl8187se to actually do WPA. WEP? Fine. Open? Sure! WPA? Silent fail. :C | 20:04 |
| msvb1 | Hopefully the new kernel fixes the sleep/resume problems as well. | 20:04 |
| msvb1 | That's too bad, where do you think the WPA? | 20:05 |
| javispedro | msvb1: it doesn't here. | 20:05 |
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| msvb1 | Where do you think the WPA problem lies? | 20:05 |
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| SineOt | msvb1: No idea. I think they're using outdated drivers/packages... Since it works fine under Ubuntu and has for a long time. Since like 8.x I think... | 20:06 |
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| thopiekar | CosmoHill: check your link and the different repos.. so n8x0 relevant software there.. | 20:06 |
| thopiekar | * I think | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | there may be | 20:07 |
| CosmoHill | if someone builds it | 20:07 |
| SineOt | msvb1: it's pretty much the only thing keeping me from using Meego more often. Well, that and the whole IM text size issue and not being able to change it, although that's more of a just visual issue | 20:07 |
| msvb1 | SineOt: Where are the sources for the defective driver you're talking about. | 20:07 |
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| SineOt | msvb1: I'm not sure, I've never really looked. They're somewhere out there though, since Ubuntu is using them! | 20:08 |
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| msvb1 | SineOt: Too bad, I don't know much about the RTL wireless drivers either. | 20:09 |
| msvb1 | SineOt: Most are using the atheros or broadcom chips. | 20:10 |
| rmd_ | So does Meego have a place to adjust power settings? i find it odd that this netbook-centric release leaves my screen at full brightness and doesn't adjust cpufreq when I'm unplugged... | 20:10 |
| SineOt | msvb1: I think there's modules in the kernel staging stuff right now. I think what it is is that Ubuntu is including the staging modules and Meego isn't | 20:10 |
| msvb1 | SineOt: …but I don't think many are using realtek wireless chips. | 20:10 |
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| msvb1 | Does anyone know how to use the SIM card slot of the ideapads? | 20:12 |
| msvb1 | …or any netbook for that matter? | 20:12 |
| msvb1 | I'm running Meego 1.1 and would like to try at connecting over GSM. | 20:12 |
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| msvb1 | I guess that's called 'mobile broadband IP' or something like that. | 20:13 |
| lcuk | msvb1, sim slot is readable in code, but is pretty useless without a modem | 20:13 |
| msvb1 | lcuk: but don't the ideapads have 3G modems? | 20:13 |
| SineOt | if it has a SIM card slot, wouldn't it... Have a 3G modem | 20:13 |
| msvb1 | lcuk: or any modems to connect to even GPRS networks? | 20:13 |
| lcuk | well i asked the same thing but it seems theres no modem in there | 20:13 |
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| SineOt | so it has a sim slot, with hardware in it to connect a sim, but no modem? | 20:14 |
| CosmoHill | maybe it's one of those things where the slot it there but you have to pay extra for the moderm | 20:14 |
| SineOt | wtf | 20:14 |
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| msvb1 | What is the procedure for installing a modem then? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | to be fair, it does lead to further questions if the modem exists | 20:14 |
| msvb1 | …open the battery and HD door and plug in a mini-PCI card? | 20:14 |
| lcuk | like how do you hold your ideapad to make a call :P | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | msvb1: I'd imagine it would be like wifi, there's a load of cables leading to the mini pci-e compartment | 20:15 |
| lcuk | i believe that it does CosmoHill | 20:15 |
| lcuk | and the antenna is already embedded | 20:15 |
| lcuk | and has a connector etc | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | just no actual mini board to use it | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like wifi in older macs | 20:15 |
| CosmoHill | everything is there apart from the actual wifi card | 20:16 |
| * javispedro maps the first ideapad front button to the Windows key | 20:16 | |
| lcuk | javispedro, :) | 20:17 |
| javispedro | so it now shows/hides the meego top toolbar :) | 20:17 |
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| rmd_ | Wait. So... is there a way to navigate the top toolbar with keyboard? | 20:17 |
| lcuk | rmd_, you can bring it on screen with superkey | 20:18 |
| javispedro | on any platform the windows key triggers the meego top toolbar | 20:18 |
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| javispedro | on the ideapad, this key was hidden when in "tablet mode" | 20:18 |
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| rmd_ | yeah bringing it on screen is good.. but what about navigating once I bring it up? | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, add the tweak onto the ideapad page please? | 20:19 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: it's a kernel module :) | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, ? | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: that the "tweak" is to install a kernel module | 20:24 |
| lcuk | for key remapping | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ? | 20:24 |
| javispedro | it's not exactly remapping, the key doesn't send any events without it | 20:24 |
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| javispedro | it's just that officially that key should be KEY_PROG1 (aka "User Program 1") | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | but I remapped it to KEY_LEFTMETA | 20:25 |
| javispedro | for test purposes | 20:25 |
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| odin_ | can someone confirm for sure... is there a GSM/3G/whatever modem built into the Lenovo ? or is it just a sim slot under the battery with no modem ? | 20:26 |
| javispedro | no modem here | 20:26 |
| niala | hello | 20:26 |
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| ali1234 | it's just a slot | 20:27 |
| dm8tbr | if there is a SIM slot then there might be an empty pci-express slot inside waiting for a modem :) | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | yes there is both | 20:27 |
| odin_ | ok thanks for confirmation | 20:27 |
| odin_ | ok anyone with a link to such a devicd? | 20:27 |
| dm8tbr | they tend to be expensive | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | there are two PCIe slots in the ideapad, one is half height and has the wifi card, the other is empty | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | there is a page on the internet listing working modems | 20:28 |
| odin_ | also need to eye up a carry case :P the ones I saw don't seem great in the pics | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | other modems can be made to work with a BIOS hack | 20:28 |
| dm8tbr | could be thinkwiki then? | 20:28 |
| odin_ | other modems ? (other as in, not PCIe ?) | 20:29 |
| odin_ | lenovo takings days to randomize the hdd data | 20:30 |
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| ali1234 | other modems as in not official lenovo ones | 20:30 |
| odin_ | ok ic, thanks I'll research some more, laters | 20:30 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Did you build your own 2.6.36 and apply the module? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: no, for testing I'm now using latest kernel-netbook, 2.6.35.3-12.1-netbook | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | There is a 2.6.35.3-13.4-netbook now | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Where did you get the proper module? | 20:33 |
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| javispedro | fiferboy: its' the one I was making on the f.m.o thread | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | odin_: http://www.netbooks.ph/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2220 | 20:34 |
| javispedro | based on what the platform-x86 guys discovered by reading the DSDT | 20:34 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Excellent work! | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | hm.. | 20:35 |
| javispedro | I ponder if reading the DSDT for interoperability purposes is OK from a Linux kernel developer PoV? | 20:36 |
| javispedro | ... or from a lawyer PoV. | 20:37 |
| javispedro | (if I'd like it to be eventually merged, for example). | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: so will there be a TSG tonight? | 20:39 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro: Good question. I take it your module isn't available anywhere yet? | 20:39 |
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| * javispedro thinks it's OK, as half of the platform-x86 modules couldn't have been made otherwise. | 20:42 | |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: yep. Quim is running it | 20:44 |
| DawnFoster | I'm still catching up :) | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: hehe, good luck then | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, there the agenda was | 20:53 |
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| javispedro | fiferboy: it's now available ;) : http://gitorious.org/iaps/lsrot | 20:55 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Nice! I will be checking that out shortly | 20:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | hi DawnFoster | 20:59 |
| DawnFoster | hey timeless_mbp | 21:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | have a good vacation? | 21:02 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro: Brilliant! I have it working. | 21:07 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 21:07 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro: Do you have any plans for changes? | 21:08 |
| fiferboy | I like the show/hide functionality | 21:08 |
| fiferboy | But hinge events might be nice | 21:08 |
| javispedro | so far I only found the tablet mode one | 21:09 |
| javispedro | it is already exported, as SW_TABLETMODE | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: you should make that a contexkit plugin | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | +t | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: SW_TABLETMODE triggers when the hinge is rotated and the screen is "closed"? | 21:10 |
| javispedro | yep | 21:10 |
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| fiferboy | But there is no trigger when it is reversed? | 21:11 |
| javispedro | yes yes | 21:11 |
| javispedro | SW means "switch" | 21:11 |
| javispedro | it has two position | 21:11 |
| javispedro | s | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | Ah, gotcha | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | it's a reed switch :) | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | on windows, tablet mode rotates the screen 180 degrees, it sucks, and you can't stop it | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | And apparently the middle button on the bezel triggers only when in tablet mode? | 21:12 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: yep, enforced by hw | 21:12 |
| javispedro | weird reasons. | 21:12 |
| fiferboy | Interesting | 21:12 |
| javispedro | Of course, it was a miracle I noticed that.... | 21:13 |
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| javispedro | ali1234: I think you will be able to disable it by uninstalling the lenovo touch sth application | 21:14 |
| javispedro | or the lenovo rotation application. or all of the lenovo applications :) | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | windows has built in "tablet mode" | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | the lenovo app just enables rotation by accelerometer, which is even worse due the the accelerometer chip being crap | 21:15 |
| javispedro | ali1234: it didn't happen when I was installing windows, it started happening after I reinstalled the lenovo stuff | 21:15 |
| javispedro | (I mean the 180º rotation) | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | perhaps... i suspect the only way to disable it would lead to no rotation at all though | 21:16 |
| javispedro | gma3150 driver does it iirc | 21:16 |
| javispedro | surely not from the accelerometer though | 21:16 |
| javispedro | the accelerometer is another story. | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | no, you need the special lenovo app for that | 21:16 |
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| ali1234 | personally i would like it to go directly to portrait mode instead of the 180 degree rotation, but there is no way to configure this in windows, that i can see | 21:19 |
| javispedro | prolly not. stuff is very hardcoded on this thing. | 21:19 |
| javispedro | for ex. the hw masking of the power button when the lock is enabled, or the rotate button when not in tablet mode | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | well... you expect that from a lock switch | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | the rotation button thing does suck though | 21:20 |
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| blondu | sal | 21:20 |
| javispedro | i'm quite sure windows just listens to the "new orientation" events the DSDT sends to it | 21:20 |
| javispedro | my driver currently prints those to dmesg as I'm yet to understand what the actual new orientation is from them | 21:21 |
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| blondu | romenian ?? | 21:21 |
| blondu | server is on ?? | 21:21 |
| blondu | ;) | 21:22 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro: I see the orientation message in dmesg | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | I have only found three different values, and tried four orientations... | 21:23 |
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| javispedro | try to guess what the value means :) | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | in the windows settings there is a part where you specify the order of rotations | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | 0x0 looks like "normal", 0x20 looks like 90 degrees clockwise, and 0x60 90 degrees counter-clockwise | 21:24 |
| javispedro | hum? | 21:25 |
| javispedro | are you in "tablet mode"? | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | But I don't see an upside down, (unless it is also 0x60) | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | No, in laptop mode | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | I haven't tried tablet mode yet :) | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | I realize the values are less useful in laptop mode | 21:25 |
| javispedro | no, it's just that you're getting quite different values from what I get, which are more random | 21:26 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro: In tablet mode I get the same 0x0, 0x20, 0x60 | 21:26 |
| javispedro | I'm now getting perpetual 0x60 | 21:28 |
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| javispedro | I can get 0x40 by tilting the keyboard upwards =) | 21:29 |
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| javispedro | something's amiss. I think it's reading the previous value or sth. Will look later on it. | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | I have yet to see a 0x40 | 21:31 |
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| javispedro | either way, I think the way to go would be to read the accelerometer values as rawest as possible, because as I said I quit sure believe this is what windows uses to autorotate and it sucks at it. | 21:33 |
| javispedro | *I quite sure | 21:33 |
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| javispedro | too sensitive. | 21:33 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, the orientation data doesn't look all that useful | 21:33 |
| lcuk | javispedro, autorotation is always sensitive and annoying | 21:34 |
| lcuk | especially if its locked to 90deg | 21:34 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: iaps.c is your accelerometer module? | 21:37 |
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| javispedro | fiferboy: yep -- don't look at the source though, it might not be "clean" | 21:38 |
| * javispedro is yet to understand the kernel policies on that regard :P | 21:39 | |
| fiferboy | Is the current state reporting accelerometer information through dmesg? | 21:39 |
| javispedro | nope, input device | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | so you need a tool to read it that hasn't been meego-packaged, yet | 21:40 |
| qgil | Stskeeps or anybody with MeeGo handset UX at hand: is there a dialer in landscape mode or only portrait? | 21:40 |
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| fiferboy | Ok, I'll hold off on that one | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: only portrait | 21:40 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: thanks! | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: if you mean the dialer showing only in portrait | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | and not talking about the application launcher, in which some icons disappear from occasionally :) | 21:41 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: the dialer to make calls | 21:41 |
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| nbrouard | Hi, I need help to build libmeegotouch | 21:58 |
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| nbrouard | I got libmeegotouch/mgen/mgen: symbol lookup error : undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii | 21:58 |
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| andre__ | version? | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | nbrouard: seems that you're mixing Qt versions | 22:01 |
| javispedro | bah. | 22:03 |
| javispedro | next step, trying to understand what makes the s10-3t unable to resume from suspend | 22:03 |
| javispedro | as it just hanged on me again :( | 22:04 |
| pixelgeek | +1 for jarvispedro | 22:04 |
| DawnFoster | BTW, TSG meeting starting now in #meego-meeting | 22:04 |
| DawnFoster | agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings | 22:05 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, all the potential freeagents are turning down arbitration. :( | 22:05 |
| javispedro | thanks DawnFoster ! | 22:05 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: One Blue Jays pitched accepted | 22:05 |
| GAN900 | Our bullpen is gone. | 22:06 |
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| javispedro | oh!! | 22:09 |
| javispedro | the s10-3t doesn't actually hang while resuming | 22:10 |
| javispedro | it just resumed on me | 22:10 |
| javispedro | it just takes a long time | 22:10 |
| javispedro | interesting.. | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/01/women_want_apples_iphone_men_prefer_google_android_nielsen_finds.html | 22:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | it looks like the available market for meego is clearly the 55+ range :) | 22:11 |
| nbrouard | Sorry andre_, I just did a fresh git clone git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch.git | 22:11 |
| nbrouard | then I did a ./configure and make | 22:12 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, get it right and you have an extremely large audience | 22:12 |
| javispedro | note also desired!=bought | 22:12 |
| javispedro | I desire a lunar module. I will never buy it. | 22:13 |
| nbrouard | I changed my PATH to have /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/bin in first in order to use Qt4.7 which is inside meego-sdk | 22:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: that get it right thing is hard | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | as always. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | thanks timeless ( re #meego-meeting ) | 22:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: so um | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | jake-k: your background is broken | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | background should include "and the last time we did a toolchain upgrade we screwed the browser teams" | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | "this time we've been more careful by testing <x>" | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | note that i don't see that in your proposal | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | re | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: we're going to be doing a slow changeover, softfp alongside | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't really care | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i want people to show that they're learning from their mistakes | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | saying "we're doing a change" or "we want to do a change" "because ooh shiny" | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't learning from mistakes | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: there's a lot of information not in the proposal, but it could end up being a huge technical report otherwise :) | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | the mistake you made last time was not testing the compiler against stuff | 22:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | i want to see that you learned from this | 22:19 |
| timeless_mbp | note that i want you to do the upgrade | 22:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i object to you not showing that you did your homework | 22:19 |
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| nbrouard | andre__ you're right. If I rename /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.6.2 , I got libmeegotouch/mgen/mgen: error while loading shared libraries: libQtCore.so.4. What should I do to have libmeegotouch using LibQtCore.so.4.7 which is in my meego-sdk intallation? | 22:20 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 22:21 | |
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| andre__ | nbrouard, oh, I don't know, I just asked the question that came to my mind first :) please ask to public | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | meego being aimed at at least the 40+ market seems about right actually, i mean who under 40 could actually afford to buy all the junk you need to make the whole "connected everything" actually worthwhile? | 22:22 |
| nbrouard | ok thanks andre__ | 22:22 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: that's fine and dandy | 22:23 |
| DawnFoster | timeless_mbp: we'll have time for questions in just a minute | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but totally impractical | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: but also procedure as usual | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm about to physically walk out a door | 22:23 |
| andre__ | ali1234, which marketing plan (URL?) was this written in, or what is your impression based on? | 22:23 |
| DawnFoster | timeless_mbp: these meetings are tightly structured to keep them on track | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: please tightly structure proposals so they don't suck | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | andre__: it wasn't written anywhere, my impression is based on no one i know under 40 being able to afford more than 1 computer and a dumbphone | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | misspelling "Softwarwe" | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | is not a tightly structured proposal | 22:24 |
| javispedro | question time | 22:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's *CRAP* | 22:24 |
| andre__ | ali1234: my impression is different | 22:24 |
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| berndhs | ali1234: my impression is that teenagers are buying a lot of stuff with their parents money | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | yeah, and guess what, their parents are 40+ | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: only code changes you'll need is if you have stuff directly related to softfp, which people usually don't | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: or assembly code calling stuff | 22:25 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, we have spoken about these changes often | 22:25 |
| javispedro | aka if you wrongly try to do a function prologue in assembler | 22:25 |
| lcuk | but not everyone has, its something lots of folks thought about | 22:26 |
| * javispedro is more worried about potential compiler bugs other than the actual change | 22:26 | |
| javispedro | s/other/more/ | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: 4.5.0 was a crappy compiler | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | as usual for .0 releases | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | 4.5.1 is a slightly less crappy compiler | 22:26 |
| javispedro | but we're going to use it in a "slightly less common" configuration. | 22:27 |
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| nbrouard | Hi all, I try to compile libmeegotouch (fresh clone from git) and it cannot link with libQtCore.so.4. I got: libmeegotouch/mgen/mgen: error while loading shared libraries: libQtCore.so.4. What should I do to have libmeegotouch using LibQtCore.so.4.7 which is in my meego-sdk intallation? I looked at libmeegotouch/src/corelib/Makefile and LIBS seems correct. | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | nbrouard: I think libmeegotouch requires 4.7 | 22:29 |
| javispedro | so I'd purge 4.6 from your system | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | nbrouard, getting the source from git is bleeding edge and has a symbiotic relationship with the latest bleeding edge code for whole of qt and other libraries | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah, slightly less crappy doesn't imply bugfree | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | especially on strange configurations :) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | if you are using the git version and trying to link with standard generic installed qt, these problems may arise | 22:30 |
| javispedro | hehe | 22:30 |
| javispedro | ecially on strange configurations :) | 22:30 |
| javispedro | <lcuk> if you are using the git version and trying to link with standard generic installed qt, these problems may arise | 22:30 |
| javispedro | uops | 22:30 |
| nbrouard | lcuk, where should I get libmeegotouch? | 22:30 |
| javispedro | sorry. | 22:30 |
| lcuk | nbrouard, from your os repository of course :) | 22:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | mwichmann: certain vendors are in a hurry to get performance | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and they can't wait for a 1.3 | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no, that's not the reason | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | because the release window on 1.3 is too far from when they might hypothetically want to ship a product | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: the thing is we have to make the break now, or never. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | nbrouard, look at the -testing respositories on obs | 22:32 |
| kaltsi | mwichmann: jump from 4.5.0 -> 4.5.1 should/can't be as bad as from 4.4 -> 4.5.0 | 22:32 |
| mwichmann | yes, agree; I think it's got its own justification, | 22:32 |
| mwichmann | and that argument maybe shouldn't be conflated with the arm abi question | 22:33 |
| dl9pf | mwichmann: both abi tree's will be built for a grace time side-by-side | 22:33 |
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| nbrouard | lcuk, thank, going to try that | 22:33 |
| dl9pf | so its separated to continue development while stabilizing hardfp | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | and not like in 4.5.0 changeover where most of ARM broke | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | and we were stuck for weeks on end | 22:34 |
| V-PV | Has someone practical experience on this performance benefit (60%) in MeeGo N900? | 22:34 |
| javispedro | the "wait until last question is answered before asking" rule in pretty much non-enforceable on irc. | 22:34 |
| javispedro | with random lags, etc. | 22:34 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: you need to hire Zakim | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the primary syntax you care about here is roughly: | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Zakim open the queue | 22:35 |
| kaltsi | V-PV: it's not 60% system-wide, but in functions that pass floats.. so very localized performance improvements | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | q+ to ask about <...> | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | q? | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | q+ Stskeeps | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | q- lcuk | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ack DawnFoster | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Zakim: close the queue | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | roughly | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | when someone is acked, zakim reminds the acked person about the topic the person queued for | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | q? lists the queue | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | q- drops someone from the queue (w/o a someone, it drops yourself) | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | q+ [someone] [point to discuss] | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (w/o someone, it queues the person making the action) | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | Or we could get Jim Zemlin to moderate and not have to worry about any questions. *eg* | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: he was the guy who left no time for questions? | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i finally saw that video this week | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | note that zakim can also manage agendas | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and zakim can enforce time limits :) | 22:38 |
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| V-PV | keltsi: Understood that from proposal, but in practice hs this been tried out? Can you see the difference? | 22:38 |
| kaltsi | V-PV: (I presume kaltsi).. yes Leonid M has run performance tests on hardware | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | kaltsi: so... | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | technically that's a bogus answer | 22:39 |
| kaltsi | *yes* | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | the correct answer is "yes, see <url> where Leonid M's report shows this" | 22:40 |
| kaltsi | it's nokia internal url :-/ | 22:40 |
| sivang | nre | 22:40 |
| sivang | or , re | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | kaltsi: duh | 22:40 |
| sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the correct version is "sorry, I'll get Leonid M's report published, probably to <url>" | 22:40 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: hanset performance? | 22:40 |
| sivang | *handset | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | kaltsi: i can physically smack Leonid M, he's one wing over | 22:40 |
| V-PV | timeless_mbp: Something like that, I was waiting for :-) | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's not relevant in an open source context | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | kaltsi: so, _repeat_after_me_ :) | 22:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | Westley: Then you're not married. If you didn't say it, you | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | didn't do it. Wouldn't you agree, Your | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Highness? | 22:42 |
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| dneary | Hi all | 22:42 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Welcome back :) | 22:42 |
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| DawnFoster | dneary: thanks! | 22:42 |
| sivang | hey dneary , 'sup? thanks for forwarding folks over for the qt cross symbian/meego, lots of stuffto explore there | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | kaltsi: roughly, if you're driving a proposal, you actually have to make promises and stuff | 22:42 |
| dneary | sivang, no problem! | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't sufficient for me to know stuff, it's your job to promise everyone that you'll show them those things | 22:43 |
| sivang | dneary: I am only now getting to this after a nice week of flu | 22:43 |
| kaltsi | timeless_mbp: cool down :) | 22:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | kaltsi: it's 10:43pm, i haven't had breakfast | 22:43 |
| dneary | It's good to have things to point people at when people say "I'm new, I'd like to help" | 22:43 |
| dneary | We're missing some meaty code tasks, though | 22:43 |
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| ali1234 | cross symbian/meego is relevant to my interests, where is this stuff? | 22:44 |
| dneary | Like "This library here is slow, see this bug number, can you have a look & see if you can figure it out?" | 22:44 |
| sivang | dneary: agreed. there's nothing to tell the skilled developer where to cheap in | 22:44 |
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| sivang | dneary: I talked about this months ago | 22:44 |
| sivang | well, 'wrote' | 22:44 |
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| sivang | discussing it with Stskeeps , but we were either too short in time or resources to follow on with it | 22:44 |
| dneary | sivang, A list of bugs & feature requests that no-one is working on would be useful | 22:45 |
| dneary | sivang, The thing is the doubt... plus, all the high priority meaty stuff gets assigned early | 22:45 |
| kaltsi | v-pv here are some perf results not related to meego/nokia in any way, but related to hardfp vs softfp http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1821 | 22:45 |
| sivang | dneary: it is extremely hard to really know if a bug or feature is benig worked on, judging by assignees etc | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: s/cheap/chip/ | 22:46 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: thank you | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | kaltsi++ | 22:46 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I guess that's how you say high after not having breakfast all day long ;-) | 22:46 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: s/high/hi/ | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: chewing people out does vaguely make up for not having breakfast | 22:47 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: lol | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but it isn't a good substitute | 22:47 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: it is not as tasty as pizza or the food in the cantonese restaurant | 22:47 |
| sivang | (albeit somewhat too spicy for me) | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | well... people aren't kosher | 22:47 |
| sjgadsby | So, stupid question: Does MeeGo going hard fp have any impact on the plan to have compiling community apps for Maemo 5 be something akin to a OBS submission checkbox? | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | which is a minor problem | 22:47 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: neglected this altogether :) | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | sjgadsby: it shouldn't | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | the new compiler will support both | 22:48 |
| sivang | we are going harfp? | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and for maemo5 you'd probably select the old compiler anyway | 22:48 |
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| dl9pf_ | jake-k: we already bootstrap'ed ~ 700 packages and the remaining are currently just blocked by dependency cycles | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | you *need* to select the old libc | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise you're screwed | 22:48 |
| sjgadsby | timeless_mbp: Thanks. | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | mozilla discovered that | 22:48 |
| sivang | dl9pf_: nice | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | sjgadsby: so, technically "barely" | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | in that the maemo5 obs config will need to be pinned to not do that stuff | 22:49 |
| sivang | new compiler being gcc bootstraped to hardfp I suppose? | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | the new compiler and the hard v. soft are technically distinct | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | they should be distinctly selectable things in obs | 22:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't speak obs so i couldn't say how | 22:50 |
| javispedro | on maemo5, you were using gcc 4.5? | 22:50 |
| javispedro | no way | 22:50 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 22:51 |
| javispedro | the fremantle toolchain was already being used then, and that won't change | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | mozilla tried to use the 2009 compiler instead of the 2007 compiler iirc | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | (codesourcery versions) | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | what bit them though wasn't technically the compiler | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | that would have worked | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | what bit them was the libc | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | which "seemed" to work if you had an updated toolchain | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but didn't work deployed because people didn't have the newer libc | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | note that this is from memory from a while ago | 22:52 |
| sivang | was there just a TSG meeting that ended? | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | no, it's still alive | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | Hi, sjgadsby. :) | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | kinda | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's ongoing | 22:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | the TSG people themselves got stuck in think() | 22:53 |
| sjgadsby | Heya, GAN900. | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | mwichmann++ for asking a useful documentation question | 22:54 |
| DawnFoster | timeless_mbp: note that Imad said he approved it | 22:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: that part isn't interesting ;-) | 22:55 |
| timeless_mbp | what's interesting is when no one speaks for a while :) | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | i like the fact we have subarchs in the works too, that might be useful in future even for x86 | 22:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is !atom a subarch? :) | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | i still think ssse3 should have been an rpm subarch, but that's a discussion better taken over beer | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | but hey, it made amd get ssse3 too :) | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | really? wow | 22:57 |
| javispedro | the weird stuff will start when we get to talk about sse4 | 22:57 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: do you have any idea what sort of quality 'specs' or guidelines are being included into the spec? | 23:00 |
| sivang | mwichmann: or plans, there of | 23:00 |
| mwichmann | waiting for someone to make suggestions | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | dneary, plenty of meaty code tasks ahead. | 23:01 |
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| dneary | lcuk, If you see someone saying "Hi, I'm new!" point them at one, would you please? | 23:01 |
| dneary | lcuk, I'll catch on after the first couple :) | 23:01 |
| sivang | mwichmann: I see, so should I just email the meta-suggestions to the ML and cc you then? | 23:02 |
| dneary | lcuk, Hoestly, right now I don't really know what to point at which wouuld be small enoughh to allow someone new to get into it, and consequential enough to provide a satisfying end result - siomething they can point to at the end & say "I did that" | 23:02 |
| dneary | Anyway - must go | 23:02 |
| dneary | Night | 23:02 |
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| mwichmann | for now | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | dneary, :) sure thing. just trying to get a grasp now and it somehow doesnt feel right pushing people to code tasks when we dont know everything ourselves | 23:03 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: hey | 23:04 |
| dneary | lcuk, That's when it's the most fun :) | 23:04 |
| lcuk | dneary, was saying to someone last night, theres some apps which are lacking in features but those which exist work | 23:04 |
| sivang | dneary++ | 23:04 |
| lcuk | i believe one of them was the office presentation/powerpoint app | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i'lll file bugs about meego ui if someone gives me a tutorial for how to install meego onto my ideapad such that it shrinks my existing ntfs volume instead of killing it | 23:04 |
| sivang | lcuk: let's start a wiki page for that, and link it from a "want to contribute: code" ? | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | s/i'lll/i'll/ | 23:05 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: i'll file bugs about meego ui if someone gives me a tutorial for how to install meego onto my ideapad such that it shrinks my existing ntfs volume instead of killing it | 23:05 |
| lcuk | something as silly as that to see if people can add new features to it | 23:05 |
| dneary | lcuk, What would you rather be doing: exploring unknown space, or following signposts to get to the beach? | 23:05 |
| lcuk | which obviously doesnt break the existing | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary: so if someone asks for a task, offer "non destructive install by shrinking" both in "document" and "code" | 23:05 |
| sivang | lcuk: andI'm in for being the guinne pig for that | 23:05 |
| lcuk | dneary, the great unknown. | 23:05 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: LOL | 23:05 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, Why would you want to keep ntfs around? ;) | 23:05 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: lucky bastard, you got to save that wonderful shared touch based authoring app! | 23:05 |
| dneary | Night | 23:06 |
| sivang | I'm so technocratic | 23:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | dneary: because it gives me the ability to see what is possible | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | sivang, hes not the only one http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg | 23:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a reference platform for the hardware | 23:06 |
| sivang | and for UX | 23:06 |
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| sivang | lcuk: :) | 23:07 |
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| sivang | lcuk: so th lacking apps are on handset/netbook or both? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | sivang, both | 23:08 |
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| sivang | lcuk: you have a list of features per app? I can scatch someting uner my user | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | sivang, not in a format I can give you right now | 23:10 |
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| ravenmaster | yesterday, i tried to connect my facebook acc with moblin and meego but cant find a way to do it, can somebody help? | 23:11 |
| sivang | lcuk: so, I can ask you question and put my findings on the page, and dogfood the experience and feedback if it is too deep rabbit hole | 23:11 |
| lcuk | but I would love to see frals working with the SMS guys and some designers to build open mms/sms app :) | 23:11 |
| sivang | lcuk: his app is not open at the moment? | 23:11 |
| sivang | it was, last time I checked | 23:12 |
| lcuk | sure it is | 23:12 |
| lcuk | but do you know about the complexities of MMS? | 23:12 |
| timeless_mbp | qlength -= upstreamed_count()/* == 7 */; | 23:12 |
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| sivang | lcuk: I had the pleasure to discuss this, and read longly about it after he kindly provided his online resources he used learning the subject | 23:13 |
| sivang | lcuk: but I would need to review it now | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | sivang, many of us around maemo had the pleasure to talk with frals whilst he did investigation on the subject | 23:13 |
| lcuk | it was a community development win | 23:13 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:13 |
| sivang | lcuk: I got a general understanding for what it does to send them, from the Python code | 23:14 |
| sivang | lcuk: indeed :) | 23:14 |
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| * lcuk thanks him every time I send/recv MMS :) | 23:15 | |
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| lcuk | sivang, put your findings on which page? | 23:17 |
| * lcuk just read scrollback a bit and did not understand | 23:17 | |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: how often do you do that? | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, do what? MMSes? | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | or not understanding | 23:19 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | MMSes about 2-3 times a week, why? | 23:20 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 23:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | useful to know how often things are used | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | which reminds me | 23:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | i need to file a bug about calendar screwing up an .ics import | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | depends what I am doing | 23:22 |
| lcuk | and who I am talking to | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, its easier to send direct phone-phone for somethings :) | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | but in Dublin it didn't work to send or recv :( because it uses data channel | 23:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | i open file manager, type filter for a file, select the share view, type filter to the file (again), select the file, click share | 23:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm given a choice of timeless-mbp and timeless-mbp , so i pick timeless-mbp | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | that fails, so it dismisses: 1. the select a target device and 2. the filtered share view | 23:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, someone should tell the proposer that the timeline was bogus | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Toolchains/ToolchainChangeProposal | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Timeline> Toolchain version must be agreed during 11/2010 and it must be available to testing in OBS at the beginning of 12/2010. | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | we aren't in november :) | 23:38 |
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| DesktopMM | no mention of codesourcery? has it been considered before? | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | DesktopMM: nokia has used codesourcery historically | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | DesktopMM: linaro is really where its at now | 23:40 |
| DesktopMM | I see | 23:41 |
| DesktopMM | something we also should look into? we use codesourcery for arm linux targets :P | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 23:41 |
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| DesktopMM | I assume I don't have a vote but by god please upgrade the toolchain :) | 23:47 |
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| auke | DesktopMM: why? what are you missing? | 23:48 |
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| mikecomputing | hmm just installed meego handset is there no IRC client in the repository? :-S | 23:49 |
| DesktopMM | not changing at the last opportunity to do so for great speed improvements sounds like a no brainer to me | 23:49 |
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| mikecomputing | whoops I meant I installed meego-netbook (cant find an IRC client in repo) | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | mikecomputing, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13437 | 23:54 |
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| auke | telepathy/empathy supports IRC | 23:55 |
| auke | just use the people panel -> IM settings -> add IRC server | 23:55 |
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| mikecomputing | auke, I did but didnt find a wayt to join channels | 23:56 |
| auke | add chat | 23:56 |
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| auke | people panel -> open messenger -> chat | 23:56 |
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