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| lcuk | evening lbt \o | 00:00 |
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| villev | lcuk: yeah, I whined about that on ML as well... and Glen made a bug about that as well | 00:00 |
| lbt | hi lcuk | 00:00 |
| lcuk | cool villev | 00:00 |
| villev | framerate is still unwhined-about, I think | 00:00 |
| lcuk | do you know the number | 00:00 |
| villev | sec | 00:00 |
| lcuk | glxgears runs faster on meego netbook | 00:00 |
| lcuk | than debian on the same hardware | 00:00 |
| villev | lcuk: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10258 | 00:01 |
| lcuk | running meego on an eee pc was strange, lack of touchscreen interaction | 00:01 |
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| villev | well, glxgears may be fine, the ui shell is fine as well | 00:02 |
| villev | but Qt is not | 00:02 |
| lcuk | villev, i have just voted for the bug | 00:02 |
| lcuk | which test for qt apps have you tried | 00:02 |
| lcuk | and I noted for longest time the qt mice exaple was very slow with aa enabled | 00:02 |
| lcuk | (which if the moan about fonts) | 00:03 |
| villev | lcuk: my own qml program | 00:03 |
| villev | lcuk: http://gitorious.org/qmlreddit/qmlreddit | 00:03 |
| villev | it flies on N900 | 00:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | good night guys | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | villev, hrm | 00:04 |
| lcuk | are you running it in meego on n900 or maemo? | 00:05 |
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| villev | maemo on n900, sorry | 00:05 |
| villev | running anything of note on meego on n900 is so outrageous I didn't even consider the option ;-) | 00:06 |
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| villev | it seems meego 1.1 regressed in ui perf somehow | 00:06 |
| villev | for qt | 00:07 |
| lcuk | agreed | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | can you display framerates and setup a specific example walkthrough we could use for benching this | 00:09 |
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| comawhite | Would I have any trouble running meego on a Intel C2D T6400 with ATi laptop? | 00:10 |
| villev | lcuk: I'll try that. I'll need to dig up how to show fps in my app | 00:10 |
| lcuk | comawhite, please try it yourself | 00:11 |
| lcuk | report specific bugs and issues to the bmc tracker | 00:11 |
| lcuk | I am sure now that amd/ati engineers would be monitoring for things like that and would try best to help :) | 00:12 |
| comawhite | okay i'll give it a whirl | 00:12 |
| comawhite | is there a livecd? | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | i have a usb stick with meego on that does "run meego" | 00:12 |
| lcuk | i picked up one from the meego conf (without the red stripe) and it has worked really nicely in the only other netbook i tried it on (eee) | 00:13 |
| lcuk | i dont know specifically where its downloadable from tho | 00:13 |
| lcuk | would anyone else know? | 00:13 |
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| villev | the default meego image is "live" I think | 00:15 |
| niala | http://meego.com/downloads | 00:17 |
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| jonnor | that meego porting guide is pretty nice | 00:29 |
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| Termana | morning | 01:17 |
| gabrbedd | evening :-) | 01:19 |
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| berndhs | how do I know in a .spec (or .yaml) file whether I am building on MeeGo or on something else ? | 01:26 |
| berndhs | or is the idea to make a MeeGo-only .yaml file ? | 01:27 |
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| gabrbedd | I think there's a %dist macro that'll resolve to "meego" | 01:33 |
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| jonnor | don't add such checks unless you need them, ie: don't artificially limit your package to meego | 01:34 |
| berndhs | i need to know the names of dependencies | 01:35 |
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| berndhs | and every distro has its own naming standard | 01:35 |
| jonnor | no | 01:35 |
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| berndhs | I dont need to know ? | 01:35 |
| berndhs | or they don't have different naming ? | 01:35 |
| jonnor | there are a couple of common conventions, and some variations on these for some packages | 01:35 |
| berndhs | there are 3 conventions that I know of :) | 01:36 |
| berndhs | and yes some variations, e.g. for the Qt stuff | 01:36 |
| berndhs | that's what I use conditionals for in the .spec files | 01:36 |
| jonnor | but yes, adapting to different package names is fairly common | 01:37 |
| berndhs | right | 01:37 |
| berndhs | so to avoid making a special .spec or .yaml for each distro, i use conditionals | 01:37 |
| berndhs | is there a better way ? | 01:38 |
| jonnor | no, not really | 01:38 |
| berndhs | i mean, i could make my own generator script that makes .spec and .yaml files | 01:38 |
| berndhs | i don't knwo if thats any better | 01:38 |
| berndhs | it would work for my own packages, but not for packaging other upstream things | 01:39 |
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| letic | ali1234: did you have any luck with the accelerometer ? | 03:04 |
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| CosmoHill | hey w00t | 05:21 |
| w00t | hi | 05:23 |
| CosmoHill | how are you? | 05:24 |
| w00t | insomnia'ing :) | 05:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'm round one of my mates having a drink and catching up :) | 05:25 |
| w00t | by being on IRC? :-P | 05:26 |
| CosmoHill | we're next to each other on our laptops reading qdb.us | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell time is it there? | 05:32 |
| CosmoHill | 3:33am :) | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Old wheelchairs do not OSHA-compliant camera dollies make. | 05:34 |
| ferringb | -.^ | 05:35 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: was that directed at me? :-P | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, dunno, should it be? :P | 05:35 |
| w00t | I tend to have periods of not sleeping | 05:36 |
| w00t | now is one of them, helped partially by my having a nasty cough | 05:36 |
| ferringb | w00t: those are known as the "god damn it it's finally quiet and I can get some hacking done" periods ;) | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | You to,, eh? | 05:37 |
| ferringb | well, first few days of it, then it sucks | 05:37 |
| w00t | ferringb: too ill to get much productive done (I've tried) | 05:37 |
| w00t | can't concentrate | 05:37 |
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| w00t | so I've been roughly spending half an hour playing halflife, half an hour reading various amusing cats with funny captions on the internet, and half an hour code/irc/misc | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php | 05:38 |
| w00t | hahaha | 05:39 |
| w00t | I love theoatmeal | 05:39 |
| w00t | and that is *so* goddamn true | 05:39 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I just got my Pandaboard booting meego: yahoo! I said I would go on a long bike ride tomorrow. Maybe it will rain. | 05:39 |
| w00t | even brik, who is a total crazy cat woman, admits that cats are evil and imperial masters | 05:39 |
| CosmoHill | GeneralAntilles: read that but funny :) | 05:39 |
| w00t | (but cute, and fluffy and adorable) | 05:39 |
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| CosmoHill | Alison_Chaiken: yay panda boar | 05:41 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | CosmoHill, Pandaboard is cool. I'm glad I didn't get that stupid IdeaPad. I didn't want one. Well, not much. | 05:43 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: what do you think of your new ideapad? | 05:44 |
| CosmoHill | http://xkcd.com/742/ :) | 05:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | CosmoHill, that's hilarious but maybe none of us should have children. | 05:47 |
| CosmoHill | well I don't have any | 05:48 |
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| tyson_ | hi All, when i use this command:"sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks --format=raw --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache" to build my own image, then some errors arise. like this:Error: failed to create image : <urlopen error [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/administrator/myrepo/LICENSE.txt'>...thank you for your an | 06:33 |
| ferringb | tyson_: pastebin the error and the command | 06:36 |
| ferringb | tyson_: irc has limits on how much text you can send in a message (you crossed it)... beyond that, failures like this are best pastebin'd for viewing | 06:36 |
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| tyson_ | ferringb: OK, wait a moment..i will paste it to a website.. thank you.. | 06:37 |
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| pupnik | ferringb: i can read the error here just fine | 06:39 |
| pupnik | but i don't know what might cause it | 06:39 |
| tyson_ | ferringb: this website:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/868556 | 06:39 |
| * pupnik passes tyson_ the cookies | 06:43 | |
| tyson_ | ferringb: the ks file, i modify it, and add my package to it. althought i use the same name of "meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks". | 06:43 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | On which mailing list would we ask questions about what's in the Compliance specs? | 06:51 |
| ferringb | tyson_: while you can read it fine, it's a protocol level limit... message got truncated. looking at the logs | 06:52 |
| ferringb | tyson_: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-distribution-tools@lists.meego.com/msg00007.html | 06:53 |
| ferringb | tyson_: check the version you've got locally against the one mentioned in the posting... | 06:53 |
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| tyson_ | ferringb: oh, i'm so sorry, i cann't open this website.... | 06:57 |
| ferringb | tyson_: fixed in git for mic | 07:03 |
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| ferringb | tyson_: http://www.meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator/commit/f7b4d6248188e87d12020d6bb5e717a7463bfbe8 | 07:05 |
| ferringb | on a guess mind you, but that's likely the fix you're looking for. | 07:05 |
| tyson_ | ferringb: i created my own repo. and modify the ks file. add my package to them. and then use the mic-image-creator command to build my own image.. | 07:07 |
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| tyson_ | ferringb: the "git" command, i cann't use this command in my net. this is my net problem.. | 07:08 |
| ferringb | tyson_: yeah, I pointed out the patch you need however | 07:09 |
| ferringb | hmm. that code should be getattr(getattr(oserr, "reason", None), errno, None) == errno.ENOENT: also | 07:10 |
| tyson_ | ferringb: OK, i modify it.. if also some errors arise, i will ask you.OK? thank you very much...ferringb... | 07:11 |
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| tyson_ | ferringb: /usr/share/pyshared/mic/imgcreate/yuminst.py. is it ? | 07:18 |
| ferringb | yep | 07:19 |
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| tyson_ | ferringb: i add 5 lines to this file. but the same error arise. like this: Error: failed to create image : <urlopen error [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/administrator/myrepo/LICENSE.txt'> | 07:29 |
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| ferringb | tyson_: no clue then. that patch is supposedly to rectify that bug... | 07:34 |
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| tyson_ | ferringb: OK, i guess maybe me package has some problem. mayby my repo also has some problem... | 07:38 |
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| tyson_ | hi, all. when i use this command:"sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/my.ks --format=raw --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache" to build my own image, then some errors arise. like this:Error: failed to create image : <urlopen error [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/administrator/myrepo/LICENSE.txt'> | 08:39 |
| tyson_ | anybody know?? thank you for your answer.... | 08:39 |
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| johnx | does that file exist? | 08:42 |
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| tyson_ | johnx: no. i hasn't this file.. | 08:50 |
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| johnx | what does your my.ks say? | 08:50 |
| johnx | (pastebin please) | 08:51 |
| tyson_ | OK | 08:51 |
| tyson_ | wait a moment | 08:51 |
| tyson_ | johnx: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/868556 | 08:51 |
| johnx | aah. I thought you really had a file called my.ks :) | 08:52 |
| tyson_ | yes, i change the ks file. and no change the name.. | 08:53 |
| johnx | maybe try creating myrepo before running the command? | 08:53 |
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| tyson_ | i use this command : "createrepo" to create my repo. | 08:55 |
| tyson_ | my.ks equal meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks. because i modify the latter. so i name it as my.ks.. | 08:57 |
| johnx | aaah, ok. did createrepo have any errors? | 08:57 |
| tyson_ | no | 08:58 |
| tyson_ | this comman just generate a repodata file.. | 08:58 |
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| tyson_ | i just create my repo, and add my package to it. then use tha command:"mic-image-creator" to build my iamge.. | 09:00 |
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| johnx | well, does any file in your repo reference the license.txt file? | 09:02 |
| johnx | (other than that I don't really have any ideas ...) | 09:02 |
| tyson_ | no... | 09:02 |
| johnx | even the repodata file? | 09:02 |
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| tyson_ | yes | 09:02 |
| johnx | sorry, no idea :| | 09:02 |
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| tyson_ | thank you for your answer...johnx | 09:03 |
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| theplic | i was trying to mount a partition and it is asking for authentication password and im onthe livecd | 09:13 |
| theplic | what is the password that i need? | 09:13 |
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| tyson_ | hi all, when i use this command:"sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks --format=raw --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache" to build my own image, then some errors arise. like this:Error: failed to create image : <urlopen error [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/administrator/myrepo/LICENSE.txt'> | 10:07 |
| tyson_ | what's the problem? anybody know? thanks.. | 10:08 |
| tyson_ | and the error log you can see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/868556 | 10:09 |
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| dm8tbr | that looks weird. it's at least not any of the ways mic2 jumped into my face | 10:11 |
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| hiben75_ | Hello | 10:41 |
| helloworld | Stskeep:hello | 10:42 |
| helloworld | Stskeeps:hi | 10:43 |
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| hiben75 | Hello? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | hi hiben75 | 10:46 |
| hiben75 | 4 in the morning | 10:46 |
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| hiben75 | Nobody talks here | 10:48 |
| dm8tbr | as this generally is a technical channel and not a social chat channel that comes to no surprise | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | also, it's weekend | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:49 |
| helloworld | Stskeeps: in your obs manual, u offer the trunk project-config . but it can only make i586 build target work , what if the armv7el ? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | it makes both work | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | and my import script imports both into the project | 10:49 |
| helloworld | no need any modify ? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | no need for modifications | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | but now i'm off to make some coffee | 10:50 |
| helloworld | Stskeeps: ok,tks | 10:50 |
| helloworld | i will try it again | 10:50 |
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| dm8tbr | helloworld: out of curiosity, which obs disk image did you use? | 10:50 |
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| helloworld | no image, i create it myself | 10:51 |
| dm8tbr | I've had problems with the vmdk image. didn't import into vbox and qemu-img didn't convert it into anything bootable | 10:51 |
| dm8tbr | so you didn't use any of this: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/Unstable/images/ ? | 10:52 |
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| helloworld | dm8tbr:yes , i havn't use | 10:54 |
| dm8tbr | thanks | 10:54 |
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| dm8tbr | I suspect that the vmdk file has some sort of a problem. the raw file worked immediately. | 10:55 |
| dm8tbr | one is also labelled build7 and the other build6. | 10:55 |
| helloworld | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | ah, no idea about that one | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | that isn't my obs manual | 10:58 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 10:59 |
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| helloworld | Stskeeps: i found the bug, just in /etc/sysconfig/ i forgot turning on the arm schedual server | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that makes sense | 11:06 |
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| helloworld | Stskeeps: now the armv7el schedular is dead | 11:08 |
| helloworld | Stskeeps: any idea about that? | 11:09 |
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| ferringb | helloworld: eh? | 11:15 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ok, now to make sure I've even tried obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 even on vmware server and no dice. you might want to add a note that the raw image might be the better option in connection with qemu-img for now | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | helloworld: no sorry, consider restarting machine | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ok, might be a broken build then | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 11:16 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: that's what I suspect, yes | 11:16 |
| helloworld | Stskeeps:now my problem is the pkg can be finished , not succeed , boring | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | give it time | 11:17 |
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| helloworld | Stskeeps:unfortunately faild | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have any idea about the old guides sorry | 11:21 |
| * Stskeeps goes have a quiet sunday - talk to you later | 11:21 | |
| dm8tbr | enjoy :) | 11:23 |
| helloworld | Stskeeps:good day | 11:24 |
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| Tumi_ | Hmm, my pocket has obviously had something to say last evening :D | 11:56 |
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| CosmoHill | hey w00t, you just got up? | 12:08 |
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| dm8tbr | no he just rode the fleanode express like a lot of the other clients here | 12:09 |
| CosmoHill | that would explain why I couldn't connect first time, is that still going on? | 12:10 |
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| CosmoHill | is freenode a UK company? | 12:17 |
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| dm8tbr | it's part of an US non profit IIRC | 12:18 |
| * odin_ stretches | 12:18 | |
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| CosmoHill | okay cos they ask for donations in UK pounds | 12:18 |
| thiago_home | they detect your IP | 12:19 |
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| dm8tbr | In August 2008, the PDPC incorporated as a Company limited by guarantee registered in England and Wales. Peer-Directed Projects Center Ltd replaces the US based 501(c)(3) corporation. | 12:20 |
| dm8tbr | interesting | 12:20 |
| dm8tbr | http://freenode.net/pdpc.shtml | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: well, lilo kinda died so | 12:22 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: yes, I know. still surprising that they moved the whole thing to the uk after that. | 12:26 |
| CosmoHill | lilo the boot loader? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: new person in charge was living in UK, so | 12:27 |
| odin_ | you talk of they as if there is some fixed committee folks running freenode for the while time it exist | 12:27 |
| odin_ | hard to run a US company from the UK ? | 12:27 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: i see, if there is easier continuity in the UK | 12:29 |
| CosmoHill | hhuh, looking at wikipedia I thought freenode was a lot bigger than it is | 12:30 |
| CosmoHill | ah, lilo the person | 12:31 |
| matrixx | oh there is lilo the person | 12:31 |
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| matrixx | I kinda was wondering how lilo dieing relates to anything :] | 12:32 |
| CosmoHill | lilo founded freenode | 12:32 |
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| matrixx | wow | 12:32 |
| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin | 12:33 |
| matrixx | oh, he died in a car crash :( | 12:34 |
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| lolloo | who? | 12:34 |
| lolloo | omg | 12:34 |
| CosmoHill | according to wikipedia David Levin, his brother is now on the freenode board | 12:35 |
| lolloo | haha his nickname is lilo | 12:36 |
| lolloo | am lolloo | 12:36 |
| lolloo | rest in peace | 12:36 |
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| Ford_Prefect | ferringb: X-Fade: I "solved" the problem with the local build | 12:42 |
| CosmoHill | with a hammer? | 12:43 |
| Ford_Prefect | urlgrabber doesn't use urllib2 any more, so the osc code to use user-name and pass from config don't work | 12:43 |
| Ford_Prefect | So I manually editted urlgrabber.py to use my netrc | 12:43 |
| Ford_Prefect | And put my user/pass in there | 12:43 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill | 12:43 |
| Ford_Prefect | CosmoHill: ^ so yes :) | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | salut niala | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | Ford_Prefect: did you make a patch? | 12:44 |
| niala | CosmoHill: the star of #meego :) | 12:44 |
| Ford_Prefect | CosmoHill: this is clearly not the Right Way to do it, but I'm not sure what is | 12:44 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: please say via fire | 12:44 |
| niala | tyson_: ping | 12:44 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: version of osc? | 12:44 |
| niala | hello other to of course | 12:44 |
| Ford_Prefect | 0.125.5-1.16 | 12:45 |
| ferringb | host os? | 12:45 |
| Ford_Prefect | Meego | 12:45 |
| ferringb | ah, right | 12:45 |
| Ford_Prefect | 1.1, netbook | 12:45 |
| Ford_Prefect | For future reference, urlgrabber dumps debug info if you have URLGRABBER_DEBUG in your environment | 12:45 |
| rauli_ | what bugs me about freenode is why they need money to run an irc network.. ircnet and efnet have been running non-profit for decades | 12:46 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: and what magic env var makes it implode and stop being a pita? :) | 12:47 |
| Ford_Prefect | ferringb: rm -rf :) | 12:47 |
| ferringb | rauli_: wrong channel for that discussion... mainly since it's semi equivalent to starting a theological discussion | 12:47 |
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| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: implosion's are easier to visualize | 12:48 |
| ferringb | and a bit more satisfying | 12:48 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: filed a bug? | 12:48 |
| Ford_Prefect | ferringb: will do. Trying to come up with a correct solution | 12:48 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Preferably something that doesn't require fixing urlgrabber first | 12:49 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: honestly? file a bug and let 'em solve it | 12:49 |
| Ford_Prefect | Also, kudos to them for not bothering to actually try to make the curl backend feature-wise equivalent to urllib2 | 12:50 |
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| CosmoHill | my battery is completely drained, unlike all those other times where it panics about low battery then has half battery 20 mins later | 12:54 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | morning khertan and achipa \o | 13:23 |
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| CosmoHill | salut lcuk et khertan | 13:23 |
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| khertan | hello lcuk and CosmoHill | 13:23 |
| lcuk | hey also CosmoHill \o | 13:24 |
| khertan | using uboot on n900 is a bad idea ... | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | khertan: did it do something wrong? | 13:24 |
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| khertan | Stskeeps, do not charge battery with charger ... :) | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: ah yes | 13:25 |
| khertan | n900 shutdown | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought we had that with a big warning | 13:25 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, i know it s writted with a big warning ... but i was thinking it s for using meego | 13:25 |
| lcuk | what happens? | 13:25 |
| khertan | not when you use maemo too | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: it shouldn't be a problem when booting into maemo? | 13:26 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, it s seems it is | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: we'll have to investigate that - PR1.3? | 13:26 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, or maybe my n900 reboot during the night | 13:26 |
| khertan | yep 1.3 | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, sounds weird | 13:26 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, let me see if the night backup finished | 13:27 |
| lcuk | lol khertan your khweeteur on desktop looks sweet | 13:27 |
| lcuk | theres even my #movember tweet :D | 13:27 |
| khertan | :) | 13:27 |
| khertan | i just test 1 min ago | 13:27 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, ok ... the backup is incomplete | 13:28 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, so seems that maemo crash and reboot during the night | 13:28 |
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| khertan | so as by default uboot run meego | 13:28 |
| khertan | i think we got the errors :) | 13:28 |
| khertan | lcuk, i ve even use it to post :) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: it boots it if there's a sd card | 13:29 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, yep ... of course :) | 13:29 |
| RST38h | Sts, lcuk, khertan, moo gentlemen | 13:29 |
| lcuk | Yo! RST38h | 13:29 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, but i ll not remove it everytime :) so i ll use the flasher method instead and remove uboot :) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: :nod: | 13:30 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, so here the problem is more the chair keyboard interface than the code | 13:30 |
| Ford_Prefect | ferringb: X-Fade: fwiw, bug filed - http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10551 | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I think Khertan means that uboot should only boot meego if there is a certain key or button pressed :) | 13:31 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Which should not be difficult to do, I hope | 13:31 |
| khertan | RST38h, i mean the problem is me and not the code :) | 13:31 |
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| khertan | SciTe isn't a bad editor ! | 13:35 |
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| CosmoHill | does anyone know how redirect the output of "time" into a file? | 14:28 |
| ferringb | CosmoHill: { time .... ; } &> log | 14:29 |
| ferringb | or just use the time binary, rather than the bash builtin | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | { time uptime > bar; } &> foo | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | thank you very much ferringb | 14:31 |
| ferringb | np. | 14:31 |
| ferringb | next step, write a web server in bash ;) | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | I've heard of this challenge before I think | 14:32 |
| ferringb | code was interesting | 14:32 |
| ferringb | awk one I saw a while back was actually more elegant | 14:32 |
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| IR5012 | Hi!!!! can you plz VOTE ME in this site??? http://www.lifelessserious.gr/player2.php?id=4AOj1590UKu44syA&t=kallitexnikes_anhsuxies_sto_sxoleio thnx!!! | 14:37 |
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| CosmoHill | with spelling and grammar like that? I don't think so | 14:38 |
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| CosmoHill | damn: syntax error near unexpected token `>' | 14:40 |
| ferringb | CosmoHill: what was the invocation? | 14:41 |
| CosmoHill | 32 { time -p mpirun -np ${CORES} --hostfile ${HOME}/hostfile.txt \ | 14:41 |
| CosmoHill | 33 ${PROG}-mpi ${LIMIT} > c${CORES}-${PROG}.log; } &>> times.log | 14:41 |
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| CosmoHill | just after ${LIMIT} | 14:41 |
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| CosmoHill | ah I see, &>> can cause issues | 14:46 |
| CosmoHill | replacing &>> with 2>> solved my problem | 14:46 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks again for your help ferringb. now I have a nice looking script that logs the times for me :) | 14:51 |
| lcukn900 | cosmo, you are using your cluster to find the exact time? | 14:51 |
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| CosmoHill | I run the program multiple times with different number of cores enabled, the times are logged to show the speed up (or slow down) | 14:51 |
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| lcukn900 | coolie | 14:52 |
| CosmoHill | yeah I'm very pleased with this script :) | 14:52 |
| CosmoHill | the only other scripts I'm pleased with install a freaking distro :D | 14:52 |
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| lcukn900 | hehe | 14:53 |
| CosmoHill | on a side note rpm5 can be a bit twitchy, everything gets installed but it's not all logged in the database | 14:54 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: oh oh.... rpm.... mmm... that's funny you talkt about that... | 15:00 |
| niala | TI:14:58:08FI:gpk-update-viewer.cFN:gpk_update_viewer_error_dialog,218 | 15:00 |
| niala | - Not supported by this backend: nothing provides libtelepathy-glib.so.0(TELEPATHY_GLIB_0.11.13) needed by empathy-2.30.2-2.26.i586 | 15:00 |
| niala | nothing provides libchamplain-0.8.so.1 needed by meego-panel-status-0.3.0-2.3.i586 | 15:00 |
| * CosmoHill flees | 15:00 | |
| CosmoHill | damn, not fast enough | 15:00 |
| CosmoHill | the spec file should define the build and run time libraries required | 15:01 |
| niala | have you a kernel update today ? | 15:01 |
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| CosmoHill | not unless 10.5.9 is out | 15:02 |
| CosmoHill | (Darwin 9.9) | 15:02 |
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| CosmoHill | niala: do you have the required devel packages? | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | for example I could run gmp programs on my laptop but I couldn't compile any until I installed gmp-devel.rpm | 15:05 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: it's just a 'normal' update, a security update from repo.meego. But to be complete i haven't really look why today my netbook make that, maybe he smoked the carpet last night | 15:24 |
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| CosmoHill | smoked the carpet? what does that mean? | 15:28 |
| niala | yum update --> No Packages marked for Update... | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | you should be using zypper | 15:29 |
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| arfoll | zypper refresh | 15:29 |
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| niala | how to explain... french expression, take your carpet rolls like a weed and smoke..... | 15:32 |
| niala | CosmoHill: | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | ah okau | 15:32 |
| Termana | I wonder whether you can fit carpet in your pipe and smoke it like that too | 15:32 |
| Termana | :P | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | remind me never to take you to carpet world | 15:33 |
| Termana | lol | 15:33 |
| CosmoHill | as long as you don' do what I've done | 15:34 |
| niala | uname -a ---> 2.6.35.3-12.1-netbook seem already update... | 15:34 |
| CosmoHill | I had a box of matches and I'd hold one of them against the box and flick it so it would light and spin in an arc | 15:34 |
| Termana | heh | 15:34 |
| CosmoHill | probably shouldn't have done that in front of kids | 15:35 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, I've seen someone "smart" enough to decide to hold the tip of the match while striking it | 15:35 |
| CosmoHill | were they are a filling station at the time? | 15:35 |
| CosmoHill | or were they not that "cleaver" | 15:35 |
| Termana | heh. No they weren't that "cleaver". "Cleaver" enough to burn their finger though :p | 15:36 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, you didn't do that at a fuel station did you? | 15:36 |
| CosmoHill | I was cleaver enough to pour boiled water onto my hand yesterday | 15:36 |
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| CosmoHill | nope | 15:37 |
| CosmoHill | I've phoned a friend telling him I was running late cos my fuel light came on...whilst topping up the acr | 15:37 |
| CosmoHill | car* | 15:37 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, your an arse you know that. Because you originally spelt it CLEAVER I kept spelling it like that. Then I realised it's CLEVER not CLEAVER | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | that will teach to to plagiarise my spelling! | 15:38 |
| Termana | Not very clever of me :p | 15:38 |
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| Termana | Or should I say... Not very cleaver of me? | 15:39 |
| Termana | :p | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 15:39 |
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| CosmoHill | kudos for using the english spelling of the worse arse tho | 15:39 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, :p being in Australia and arse being the official spelling in Australia, I try to spell it properly :p | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 15:41 |
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| CosmoHill | holy poop -O3 makes a noticeable difference | 15:48 |
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| * timeless_webchat sighs | 16:17 | |
| timeless_webchat | Qt's gui tools toolchain sucks | 16:18 |
| jonnor | timeless_webchat: whats wrong? | 16:18 |
| timeless_webchat | they can't spell Exit consistently | 16:18 |
| jonnor | haha | 16:18 |
| timeless_webchat | they don't know how to use Windows (and Windows menus) correctly | 16:18 |
| timeless_webchat | they don't get basic print preview behavior right | 16:19 |
| timeless_webchat | i have some short lists | 16:19 |
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| DangerMaus | lol cant spell exit | 16:20 |
| thiago_home | the print-preview dialog was never good | 16:21 |
| timeless_webchat | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/869098 | 16:21 |
| thiago_home | what's wrong with Exit? | 16:21 |
| timeless_webchat | they spelled it Quit in Assistant! | 16:21 |
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| dm8tbr | now you've got me curious, _how_ do you misspell exit | 16:21 |
| Ford_Prefect | Quick rpm question - specify removes the %changelog section, causing rpmlint to generate an ignorable warning | 16:21 |
| timeless_webchat | how hard is it to spell a 4 letter word the same way in *three* apps? | 16:21 |
| timeless_webchat | answer: apparently very if you're Qt | 16:21 |
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| Ford_Prefect | And I saw on the site that there's supposed to be a .changes file | 16:22 |
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| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: note: i'm posting bugs+patches for this stuff | 16:22 |
| Ford_Prefect | So the warning is okay to leave as is? | 16:22 |
| timeless_webchat | if you want to be helpful, you can get my previous patch landed :) | 16:22 |
| thiago_home | timeless_webchat: the print preview dialog isn't that easy | 16:22 |
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| thiago_home | changing a word is | 16:22 |
| Ford_Prefect | Hm, no warning if there's a .changes. wtf. | 16:22 |
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| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: yeah, i'm not planning to patch print preview eagerly | 16:23 |
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| thiago_home | print => wontfix | 16:23 |
| timeless_webchat | no one in their right mind touches printing, let alone print preview | 16:23 |
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| thiago_home | right | 16:23 |
| thiago_home | let's save the planet and remove all print dialogs | 16:23 |
| * timeless_webchat nods | 16:24 | |
| timeless_webchat | we tried that in Maemo | 16:24 |
| timeless_webchat | i heard rumor that someone objected to it for MeeGo :( | 16:24 |
| thiago_home | Maemo4 had it wrong | 16:24 |
| CosmoHill | firefox and flash are hating me today | 16:24 |
| thiago_home | instead of removing the print dialogs, it removed the entire Qt printing subsystem | 16:24 |
| thiago_home | including the PDF generation | 16:24 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: yeah well | 16:24 |
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| timeless_webchat | maemo started out as a "ifdef EVERYTHING_OUT" | 16:25 |
| timeless_webchat | because people wanted to save bytes | 16:25 |
| timeless_webchat | i'm not defending maemo design principles :) | 16:25 |
| * thiago_home remembers one Qt port that started with QT_NO_FILESYSTEM | 16:25 | |
| thiago_home | who needs files? | 16:25 |
| timeless_webchat | lol | 16:25 |
| timeless_webchat | Palm? | 16:26 |
| thiago_home | can't tell you. The project died. | 16:26 |
| thiago_home | let it rest in peace. The OS was so crappy it would have never worked. | 16:26 |
| timeless_webchat | is it something i could look up based on the power of Ownership? | 16:26 |
| timeless_webchat | i did something stupid last week, i installed a Qt commercial license :) | 16:26 |
| timeless_webchat | (and then i rebuilt Qt and ran out of disk space) | 16:26 |
| thiago_home | 6 GB at least | 16:27 |
| timeless_webchat | so my computer has been compressing things all weekend | 16:27 |
| timeless_webchat | i got back 10gb of space :) | 16:27 |
| thiago_home | windows build? you probably had debug-and-release mode | 16:27 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah i did | 16:27 |
| timeless_webchat | because i need to be able to drop in release-with-pdb into Ovi Suite! | 16:27 |
| timeless_webchat | because some idiot in the Qt team made debug not interchangable with release | 16:28 |
| timeless_webchat | and some other one didn't ship pdb's for release (patch already posted) | 16:28 |
| thiago_home | s/Qt team/Redmond/ | 16:28 |
| timeless_webchat | ? | 16:28 |
| timeless_webchat | err | 16:28 |
| timeless_webchat | it's perfectly possible to make debug and release compat | 16:28 |
| thiago_home | the MS Visual Studio C++ assemblies are different from debug and from release | 16:28 |
| thiago_home | you can't mix them | 16:28 |
| * timeless_webchat ponders | 16:28 | |
| timeless_webchat | well, through vc7 it was possible :) | 16:29 |
| timeless_webchat | as long as you don't use the wrong allocator/free for an object... | 16:29 |
| thiago_home | QtCore4.dll is built with the C++ release, QtCored4.dll is built with the C++ debug assembly | 16:29 |
| thiago_home | yeah, right | 16:29 |
| thiago_home | ever used templates? :-) | 16:29 |
| timeless_webchat | i try to avoid them... | 16:29 |
| thiago_home | containers even | 16:29 |
| thiago_home | object created in one place, deleted in another => bam! crash | 16:29 |
| thiago_home | every time I see someone in qt-interest saying their application crashes when they use QList, I know it's assembly mixup | 16:30 |
| timeless_webchat | heh | 16:30 |
| timeless_webchat | ok, where do bugs in Qt Assistant live? | 16:31 |
| timeless_webchat | Qt Creator? | 16:31 |
| thiago_home | Qt (for now) | 16:32 |
| thiago_home | we'll have a QTTOOLS component soon | 16:32 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah, found it | 16:32 |
| timeless_webchat | oh good | 16:32 |
| timeless_webchat | making components match source structure = good | 16:32 |
| thiago_home | the tools are moving out of qt.git, that's why | 16:33 |
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| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: QTBUG-15676 | 16:33 |
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| timeless_webchat | anyway, please get QTBUG-15644 committed :) | 16:34 |
| timeless_webchat | oh, and what's the story w/ "What's this"? | 16:34 |
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| CosmoHill | random fact: did you know that the number 31398 can be made by the sum of two primes 490 different ways | 16:34 |
| timeless_webchat | would someone cry if i removed it from linguist? afaict it does nothing | 16:34 |
| timeless_webchat | CosmoHill: why would we care? | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | nobody cares, I'm just bored cos this it taking longer than expected | 16:35 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: oh... | 16:36 |
| timeless_webchat | the fact that linguist and assistant have totally different source tree hierarchies = awesome | 16:36 |
| timeless_webchat | please say someone's fixing that... | 16:36 |
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| timeless_webchat | hrm, wait | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | huh? | 16:37 |
| timeless_webchat | C:\Qt\4.7.0\tools\linguist\linguist> | 16:37 |
| timeless_webchat | C:\Qt\4.7.0\tools\assistant\tools\assistant> | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | :-) | 16:37 |
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| timeless_webchat | awesome, eh? | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | but there's a reason for that | 16:37 |
| timeless_webchat | oh, i'm sure | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | tools/linguist/lrelease | 16:37 |
| thiago_home | there are more tools in tools/assistant/tools | 16:38 |
| thiago_home | and there's tools/assistant/lib | 16:38 |
| timeless_webchat | but does assistant really need its second tools/ directory? | 16:40 |
| tybollt | j,, | 16:40 |
| timeless_webchat | so, in linguist 4/6 panes don't support what's this | 16:40 |
| timeless_webchat | which means that on average whatever you click won't give you help | 16:40 |
| timeless_webchat | oh brother | 16:41 |
| timeless_webchat | a tooltip for a statebutton "toggle <whatever>" | 16:41 |
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| timeless_webchat | what's this for the "cancel" button... | 16:42 |
| timeless_webchat | "Click here to close this window." | 16:43 |
| timeless_webchat | oh really? | 16:43 |
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| timeless_webchat | woohoo | 16:45 |
| timeless_webchat | >10gb of free space | 16:45 |
| * timeless_webchat had <200mb of space earlier | 16:45 | |
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| CosmoHill | may I ask what you deleted? | 16:46 |
| thiago_home | the Qt build | 16:47 |
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| thiago_home | timeless_webchat: patch applied | 16:48 |
| thiago_home | to 4.8 due to string freeze in 4.7 | 16:48 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: how about the mkspec one? | 16:48 |
| thiago_home | not my call | 16:48 |
| thiago_home | I'll let someone who cares about Windows decide | 16:48 |
| timeless_webchat | any idea how long it'll take before it reaches a real engineer? | 16:49 |
| thiago_home | you've already reached them | 16:49 |
| thiago_home | the task tracker is managed by the engineers | 16:49 |
| timeless_webchat | ok | 16:49 |
| thiago_home | jason is the release manager. He usually responds very quickly. | 16:50 |
| thiago_home | he may not want to enable the pdbs in the .exe because that would make the download much bigger | 16:50 |
| thiago_home | in the .exe installer | 16:50 |
| timeless_webchat | so, i'd rather get it into the build and have the .exe packager exclude them | 16:50 |
| timeless_webchat | the pdb's should be stored on a symbol server | 16:50 |
| timeless_webchat | is the packaging code in here somewhere too? | 16:51 |
| timeless_webchat | i.e. would it help if i wrote something such that those were actively excluded? | 16:51 |
| thiago_home | no | 16:51 |
| timeless_webchat | ok | 16:51 |
| thiago_home | the packaging code includes the commercial license key decoder | 16:51 |
| timeless_webchat | hrm | 16:51 |
| timeless_webchat | it wouldn't be in the commercial bundle either | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_webchat: speaking of running out of hard drive space. my program creates about 0.5GB log files from the output | 16:52 |
| timeless_webchat | CosmoHill: that's nothing :) | 16:52 |
| timeless_webchat | Qt created roughly 6gb of crap :) | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | it's something when there are 33 of them :o | 16:52 |
| * thiago_home starts: | 16:52 | |
| * timeless_webchat notes that ie9beta seems to break w7 help | 16:52 | |
| thiago_home | du -sh ~/src/troll ~/obj/troll | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not a troll! nor am I am object! | 16:53 |
| timeless_webchat | CosmoHill: troll=trolltech :) | 16:53 |
| CosmoHill | I know :) | 16:53 |
| thiago_home | this will take some time to run | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: i occasionally have you mistaken for an AI, though | 16:54 |
| timeless_webchat | fwiw my Qt directory is 2.3GB as a compressed NTFS folder | 16:54 |
| CosmoHill | meh, I've been mistaken for the opposite gender before | 16:54 |
| timeless_webchat | CosmoHill: how'd you manage that one? | 16:54 |
| pupnik | 15:54 < timeless_webchat> fwiw my Qt directory is 2.3GB as a compressed NTFS folder | 16:54 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not to sure...I don't think I ever corrected him tho | 16:55 |
| pupnik | ... | 16:55 |
| timeless_webchat | pupnik: down from 6gb uncompressed | 16:55 |
| timeless_webchat | compression is my friend :) | 16:55 |
| pupnik | how is that possible? | 16:55 |
| timeless_webchat | pdb files are inherently uncompressed | 16:55 |
| timeless_webchat | you're supposed to compress them | 16:55 |
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| thiago_home | timeless_webchat: is that including the intermediary files (the .o and .obj) ? | 16:55 |
| timeless_webchat | (pdb= program database = symbols) | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | IIRC GCC takes up about 2.5GB to compile | 16:56 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: yes .obj, .lib, etc | 16:56 |
| pupnik | those are video tutorials compressed in mpeg2? | 16:56 |
| tmzt_g2root | CosmoHill: great for crypto :) | 16:56 |
| timeless_webchat | pupnik: Qt = Qt 4.7.0 source + release + debug including intermediate gunk for both | 16:56 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: right... | 16:58 |
| pupnik | I wasn't aware that german lawyers were coding QT nowadays. | 16:58 |
| timeless_webchat | so in linguist, how the heck do i get the file name + path of a file? | 16:58 |
| timeless_webchat | pupnik: =~ s/QT/Qt/g | 16:58 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, if I double the amount of numbers it searches it quadruples the log file | 16:58 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: that question's for you :) | 16:58 |
| timeless_webchat | (no one in #qt seems to use Linguist) | 16:59 |
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| thiago_home | ilmasam_: what was the question? | 17:02 |
| thiago_home | timeless_webchat: what was the question? | 17:02 |
| thiago_home | oh, I see it | 17:02 |
| thiago_home | no clue | 17:02 |
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| thiago_home | 12G /home/tmacieir/src/troll | 17:03 |
| timeless_webchat | you have more cruft than me | 17:03 |
| timeless_webchat | do i want it? | 17:03 |
| thiago_home | probably not | 17:03 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: it took you that long to get the output? | 17:03 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: yes | 17:03 |
| CosmoHill | ouch | 17:03 |
| thiago_home | I probably *can* erase the 4.2.3, 4.3.5, 4.4.3 and 4.5 builds | 17:03 |
| thiago_home | I'm not a developer anymore, I don't need them around to test for regressions | 17:04 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, I still have CLFS and LFS on my laptop | 17:04 |
| CosmoHill | they've not been booted in months | 17:04 |
| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: that leaves you a 4.6, 4.7, and 4.8-cand? | 17:07 |
| thiago_home | 42G /home/tmacieir/obj/troll | 17:07 |
| thiago_home | qt-4.6, qt-4.6-fremantle, qt-4.7, qt-4.7-fremantle, qt-main | 17:08 |
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| thiago_home | that's source | 17:08 |
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| timeless_webchit | thiago_home: that leaves you a 4.6, 4.7, and 4.8-cand? | 17:09 |
| thiago_home | for builds, I have 4.6, 4.6-release, 4.6-fremantle, 4.7, 4.7-release, 4.7-harmattan, 4.7-harmattan-release, 4.7-icc, 4.7-icc-release, main, main-release, main-arm, main-arm-release | 17:09 |
| timeless_webchit | and are you using a single .git shared between them? | 17:09 |
| thiago_home | yes, now they are shared | 17:09 |
| thiago_home | the 4.5.0 and previous builds were using qt-history.git | 17:10 |
| timeless_webchit | is that someone's synthesized backwards walking repo? | 17:10 |
| thiago_home | p4-converted repo | 17:10 |
| timeless_webchit | did you guys use perfarce? | 17:10 |
| thiago_home | plus 6 months of Git use before we cut the history and made the public repo | 17:10 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 17:10 |
| thiago_home | before p4, we used CVS | 17:10 |
| thiago_home | before CVS, we used RCS | 17:10 |
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| * thiago_home hated p4 edit | 17:14 | |
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| thiago_home | p4 integrate -ay was cool | 17:14 |
| thiago_home | or -am | 17:14 |
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| * thiago_home erased 14 GB of builds | 17:15 | |
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| thiago_home | and 3 GB of sources | 17:17 |
| thiago_home | now 23 GB free | 17:17 |
| timeless_webchit | heh | 17:17 |
| timeless_webchit | do i want to know where linguist hides its conf file? | 17:17 |
| thiago_home | windows? in the registry | 17:18 |
| thiago_home | and 100.6 GB available in my volume group | 17:18 |
| thiago_home | not too bad for a 3.5-year-old 250 GB disk | 17:18 |
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| thiago_home | 33.5 GB free on the laptop (cleaned up ~20 GB today) and 20 GB unpartitioned for when I want to switch distros | 17:22 |
| thiago_home | actually, it's 20 GB free in the VG. That means I can only switch to a distro that can boot off LVM :-) | 17:23 |
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| arfoll | lbt, how long does it take for meego pub OBS to publish RPMs to the repos? | 17:34 |
| timeless_webchit | thiago_home: QTBUG-15678 deals w/ recent | 17:34 |
| timeless_webchit | (not a string change, so it might be a candidate for older, but i don't care) | 17:34 |
| thiago_home | that one I'll leave for karsten | 17:34 |
| * thiago_home needs to go do other things now | 17:35 | |
| timeless_webchit | ok :) | 17:35 |
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| timeless_webchit | anyway, that's a couple of "good deeds" for the weekend | 17:37 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: when build cycle is over | 17:39 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, thats what I thought but if you look in home:arfoll:enna, you'll see libplayer (i586) is at version 2.0.1-2.1 | 17:40 |
| arfoll | but libplayer-2.0.1-4.1.i586.rpm has been built for quite a while | 17:41 |
| arfoll | and there is only one repo | 17:41 |
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| * arfoll just got enna working on his netbook :-) | 17:46 | |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: hmm | 17:48 |
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| timeless_webchit | oh | 17:52 |
| timeless_webchit | thiago_home: ? | 17:52 |
| timeless_webchit | why does Qt say Copyright Nokia Corporation and/or its subsidiary(ies) ? | 17:53 |
| timeless_webchit | what's wrong w/ Nokia Corporation ? | 17:53 |
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| timeless_webchit | https://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/11/28/business/BORKER4.html | 17:57 |
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| thiago_home | timeless_webchit: standard disclaimer | 18:04 |
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| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: we use "Nokia Corporation" or something for Ovi Suite :) | 18:05 |
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| timeless_webchat | thiago_home: so... | 18:14 |
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| timeless_webchat | some Qt apps on windows under virtualbox hang in d3d calls | 18:14 |
| timeless_webchat | i've caught designer doing it :) | 18:14 |
| timeless_webchat | which is good, because i have sources for designer (i haven't found sources for ovi suite) | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | hey timeless_webchat \o | 18:17 |
| lcuk | did you get to the cinema? | 18:17 |
| timeless_webchat | no | 18:17 |
| timeless_webchat | i still have time | 18:17 |
| lcuk | cool | 18:18 |
| * lcuk pleased that the qt font / performance bugs are on the bugzilla :) | 18:18 | |
| lcuk | # | 18:18 |
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| * timeless_webchat wonders what phonon is | 18:26 | |
| Chani | timeless_webchat: an abstraction layer for audio, to avoid things like the gstreamer/PA debate | 18:27 |
| timeless_webchat | Chani: ok... and on windows? :) | 18:27 |
| Chani | and to ensure a stable API for app developers | 18:28 |
| ferringb | ...and introduce a new debate about how aiming for the LCD (as required for such a beast) is potentially worse than specializing to one or two of 'em ;) | 18:28 |
| ferringb | *cough* | 18:28 |
| Chani | timeless_webchat: what about windows? | 18:28 |
| Chani | hehe | 18:28 |
| timeless_webchat | Chani: what's it do there? :) | 18:28 |
| berndhs | timeless_webchat: abstraction layer for audio | 18:28 |
| Chani | ferringb: well, apps that need more can specialize. | 18:28 |
| timeless_webchat | berndhs: Chani already said that ;-) | 18:29 |
| Chani | timeless_webchat: it uses whatever backend is available there | 18:29 |
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| ferringb | Chani: bogus arguement, than they don't really play nicely w/ the usual integration :P | 18:29 |
| * Chani can't remember if there's a directx one | 18:29 | |
| Chani | ferringb: yes, which is why apps that can use phonon ought to use phonon :) | 18:29 |
| Chani | ferringb: better to have some apps play nice than none. | 18:30 |
| ferringb | or just stop chasing the various gnome bits ;) | 18:30 |
| timeless_webchat | Chani: it seems to be trying to reach d*9 | 18:30 |
| plankton | I ran MeeGo with VirtualBox on my pc! o/ | 18:30 |
| timeless_webchat | which is um... not working for me | 18:30 |
| Chani | ferringb: I'm not sure which backend is supposed to be the gnome one, but, artsd proved that picking a 'kde bit' is dangerous :) | 18:31 |
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| Chani | timeless_webchat: ah. sucky. try the gstreamer backend then? | 18:31 |
| * Chani can't remember what the most reliable winows one is | 18:32 | |
| timeless_webchat | Chani: um. pretend ii'm a user and walk me through it? | 18:32 |
| timeless_webchat | the reason i'm doing any of this is that i have a binary (Ovi Suite) from a third part (Nokia) | 18:32 |
| timeless_webchat | and it hangs when it launches | 18:32 |
| timeless_webchat | i'd rather it didn't hang when i launched it... | 18:32 |
| Chani | timeless_webchat: I don't use windows myself. maybe #kde-windows can help you | 18:32 |
| Chani | or #qt | 18:32 |
| Chani | yes, that does sound a bit inconvenient :) | 18:33 |
| timeless_webchat | videorenderer_evr.cpp is the file which gets me into this mess | 18:33 |
| timeless_webchat | for some reason i don't have symbols for this stupid 3rd party qt stuff | 18:33 |
| Chani | binaries, meep. | 18:33 |
| timeless_webchat | this is Qt 3rd party, sources are included | 18:33 |
| Chani | oh crap, I was trying to gte *away* from irc | 18:34 |
| timeless_webchat | and i patched Qt to give me symbols for most of its stuff, but phono seems to have opted out | 18:34 |
| * Chani has chores to do. really must go. | 18:34 | |
| timeless_webchat | well thanks for the basics | 18:35 |
| timeless_webchat | it looks like i should be able to unregister some com bits | 18:35 |
| * timeless_webchat tries to figure out how .pro files work :) | 18:37 | |
| timeless_webchat | berndhs: can you hold my hand w/ a .pro file? :) | 18:37 |
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| berndhs | timeless_webchat: perhaps, depends on how complicated it is | 18:38 |
| timeless_webchat | i'm in qt\4.7.0\src\phonon\ | 18:39 |
| timeless_webchat | and i'm looking at the .pro file there | 18:39 |
| timeless_webchat | most of the pro files in qt\4.7.0\src\core (?) honor my mkspec file | 18:39 |
| timeless_webchat | but this one isn't | 18:39 |
| timeless_webchat | so what i need to understand is how it's picking mkspec files | 18:39 |
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| berndhs | ah that's TrollTech magic | 18:40 |
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| timeless_webchat | hrm, it *did* pick my mkspec file | 18:40 |
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| berndhs | is that file online somewhere ? i dont have it here | 18:40 |
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| timeless_webchat | hrm | 18:41 |
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| timeless_webchat | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.0-tp/src/phonon/ | 18:42 |
| timeless_webchat | so the .pro file is there yes | 18:42 |
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| berndhs | i think it gets the mkspec from environment variables, or from what you tell qmake directly | 18:43 |
| timeless_webchat | the msvc mk file i'm using isn't there (not sure how that happened), http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.0-tp/mkspecs/win32-msvc2008/qmake.conf is close enough (i'm using 2010) | 18:43 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah, the generated file shows that it was supposed to use mkspec for win32-msvc2010/ | 18:44 |
| berndhs | tehre is a command line option -spec specfile | 18:44 |
| berndhs | and then it gets wired into the Makefile | 18:45 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah i was able to see that in the makefile | 18:45 |
| timeless_webchat | i wonder if i just didn't manage to trigger a rebuild in this directory | 18:45 |
| * timeless_webchat tries a simple make | 18:45 | |
| timeless_webchat | (nmake) | 18:46 |
| berndhs | so if you want to change what mkspec it uses, you ahve to nuke all the generated Makefiles | 18:46 |
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| berndhs | this is in a big tree, not a simple 1-directory project, is that correct ? | 18:47 |
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| timeless_webchit | grr | 18:49 |
| timeless_webchit | deleting Makefile.Release was a *bad* idea | 18:49 |
| berndhs | it was? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | hm, bugs.* dead? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 18:50 |
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| timeless_webchit | berndhs: there doesn't seem to be a rebuild rule | 18:50 |
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| berndhs | qmake should rebuild it | 18:51 |
| berndhs | or at least qmake and then make | 18:51 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah, using qmake worked | 18:51 |
| timeless_webchat | ok, so rebuilding the Makefile(s) gave me what i wanted | 18:52 |
| berndhs | you are a lucky man :) | 18:52 |
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| timeless_webchat | now i just get to find out what EVR is... | 18:56 |
| timeless_webchat | [Enhanced Video Renderer] | 18:56 |
| berndhs | beats me | 18:56 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah, don't worry :) | 18:56 |
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| berndhs | Ecclesbourne Valley Railway | 18:57 |
| berndhs | Periyar E. V. Ramasami, Dravidian social activist — sometimes known as "EVR" | 18:57 |
| timeless_webchat | yeah, that's alright | 18:58 |
| timeless_webchat | i'll take Enhanced Video Renderer | 18:58 |
| timeless_webchat | it sounds nicer :) | 18:58 |
| timeless_webchat | anyway, i hope you found mxr.meego.com useful :) | 18:58 |
| berndhs | probably I will someday | 19:01 |
| timeless_webchat | wah. | 19:01 |
| timeless_webchat | they're showing TMNT... in Finnish | 19:01 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_webchat: i have bbc comedy or something tv channel just in polish | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's not entirely what the point was | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:02 |
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| timeless_webchat | wow | 19:02 |
| timeless_webchat | someone was showing Ice Age 2 in Finnish earlier today | 19:02 |
| berndhs | I watched an american movie in Romania once, english with Ro subtitles | 19:02 |
| timeless_webchat | wow | 19:02 |
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| timeless_webchat | oh With, I read Without (not sure how) | 19:03 |
| berndhs | the Romanians were laughing at completely different times than I was | 19:03 |
| timeless_webchat | heh | 19:03 |
| timeless_webchat | I saw an English movie in Strasbourg, FR | 19:03 |
| timeless_webchat | English w/ Fr subtitles | 19:03 |
| timeless_webchat | that worked | 19:03 |
| berndhs | i can read a little romanian, but i dont understand it | 19:04 |
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| berndhs | does anyone know how to clean up after an rpm that failed its un-install ? | 19:05 |
| berndhs | zypper can't get past it | 19:05 |
| niala1 | timeless_webchat: hey strasbourg is here | 19:05 |
| timeless_webchat | niala1: i was there 2 years ago (roughly) in the fall | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | evening andre__ | 19:08 |
| andre__ | heja | 19:08 |
| ferringb | berndhs: look for a scripts related option | 19:09 |
| timeless_webchat | ok, now i have symbols for phonon4 | 19:09 |
| ferringb | berndhs: barring that, resort to rpm --erase w/ the appropriate scripts option | 19:09 |
| timeless_webchat | but not phonon_ds94 :( | 19:09 |
| * timeless_webchat curses build systems | 19:09 | |
| CosmoHill | the program I'm using isn't being very good either | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | it's like, all the correct answers to the questions are there | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | they just got a little mixed up | 19:10 |
| berndhs | ferringb: i'll try that, thanks | 19:10 |
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| timeless_webchat | sp3000: turns out you can't build gecko xpcom stuff using xpidl if glib2 isn't installed :) | 19:32 |
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| berndhs | is the certificate on repo.pub.meego.com broken ? osc complains about it and won't let me check out my project | 20:18 |
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| lbt | berndhs: why use https for repo ? | 20:47 |
| lbt | or do you mean build/api ? | 20:48 |
| berndhs | pasted the url from the browser, that's the main reason | 20:48 |
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| berndhs | actually, no I didn't I used http://repo.pub.meego.com/... | 20:49 |
| berndhs | don't know why osc does the certificate stuff | 20:49 |
| lbt | the cert has changed from when it was cbuild | 20:50 |
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| berndhs | it is complaining about "subjectAltName does not match host" | 20:51 |
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| timeless_webchat | berndhs: you don't know why people care that the binaries they download really came from the right server? | 20:51 |
| lbt | mmm old cert cache I think | 20:51 |
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| berndhs | expected build-api.moblin.org got DNS:build.meego.com DNS:api.meego.com | 20:51 |
| lbt | urm | 20:52 |
| lbt | so is it pub.meego.com or meego.com ? | 20:52 |
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| berndhs | pub is where i'm trying to go with the url | 20:52 |
| * lbt suspects a typo somewhere | 20:53 | |
| lbt | check your ~/.oscrc file | 20:53 |
| lbt | it probably has a [https://api.meego.com/] section | 20:53 |
| lbt | (ie no .pub) | 20:53 |
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| berndhs | no pub, and build-api.moblin.org | 20:55 |
| timeless_webchat | lbt: why is api.meego.com using a cert w/o chaining to a well known CA? | 20:55 |
| lbt | timeless_webchat: no clue.... SEP :) | 20:56 |
| * timeless_webchat finally gets a stack trace through both parts of phonon | 20:56 | |
| lbt | berndhs: so ... you're going to fix that? | 20:57 |
| berndhs | ok i changed the url to api.pub.meego.com | 20:57 |
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| lbt | and you fixed the credentials | 20:57 |
| berndhs | making more progress now, crashing later in python :) | 20:57 |
| lbt | good | 20:57 |
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| berndhs | this works for normal people ? | 20:58 |
| lbt | we get a few oddballs... 99% of people "it just works" | 20:59 |
| berndhs | can't be 99%, there are only 62 people :) | 21:00 |
| lbt | heh ... not on opensuse OBS | 21:00 |
| berndhs | it works there for me too, just from my meego machine to the meego OBS | 21:00 |
| lbt | so... maybe a quick reset | 21:01 |
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| lbt | osc is quite capable of supporting multiple OBSes ... yes? | 21:01 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: are you by chance in contact with the suse obs people? the vmdk they ship in their unstable directory seems damaged / not working | 21:01 |
| lbt | so : osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com ls | 21:01 |
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| lbt | should work | 21:02 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: #suse ? | 21:02 |
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| lbt | or #obs :) | 21:02 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: I tried #obs which redirects to some lenghty channel, but the people who'd know weren't there | 21:02 |
| dm8tbr | I'll try tomorrow :) | 21:02 |
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| lbt | on a sunday night? Why... the slackers!! | 21:03 |
| dm8tbr | background: we had someone who wanted to set up an obs for their meego stuff and failed because of that | 21:03 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS - they tried this guide by Stskeeps | 21:04 |
| lbt | yeah... that's good for single user installs | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | well the vmdk contained in the recommended tarball is shot in my opinion :) | 21:05 |
| dm8tbr | but the raw file works a treat | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | I'll bug the #obs ppl again tomorrow. | 21:06 |
| lbt | they have a bugzilla | 21:07 |
| dm8tbr | the url says 'unstable' so who knows. | 21:07 |
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| * Myrtti makes a note about complaining about the location and name of that wikipage to Stskeeps | 21:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: what regulations am i breaking? | 21:10 |
| lbt | wikiquette | 21:11 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: why is it underneath your own userpage? why isn't it categorized? | 21:11 |
| w00t | Myrtti: presumably because it's not a finished product | 21:11 |
| Myrtti | tut-tut | 21:11 |
| w00t | at least, that's generally the reason for those sort of things :) | 21:11 |
| Myrtti | w00t: that's bullshit | 21:11 |
| Myrtti | or a bullshit reason | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: cos its draft atm and we need to merge it into /MPG | 21:12 |
| Myrtti | for unfinished pages you put a template warning "this is a draft and isn't a complete guide. Use with extreme care, we take no responsibility if your shit breaks" | 21:12 |
| Myrtti | and put it where you'd put it if it were finished | 21:13 |
| w00t | Myrtti: well, tell that to wikipedia | 21:13 |
| * lbt offers Myrtti support (though she's taking no prisoners anyhow .... ;) ) | 21:13 | |
| Myrtti | even as a draft it's a useful page and should be where it's easy to find | 21:13 |
| w00t | they're also frequent users of this sort of thing | 21:13 |
| Myrtti | w00t: I've been an admin on the Finnish one. | 21:13 |
| Myrtti | next? | 21:13 |
| w00t | I couldn't personally care | 21:13 |
| lbt | \o/ | 21:13 |
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| w00t | it's even in the Wikipedia: namespace for 'what may I have in my user pages' :) | 21:14 |
| lbt | w00t: link to wiki.meego.com page please ? | 21:14 |
| Myrtti | w00t: sure. It's just stupid, and makes stuff more difficult to find | 21:14 |
| lbt | (where it says that) | 21:14 |
| w00t | lbt: oh *come on* | 21:14 |
| lbt | w00t: we have no such policy | 21:14 |
| Myrtti | it's a usability issue of the documentation, if people pickle useful pages on the subpages of their personal pages | 21:14 |
| lbt | this is a wiki... not a pedia | 21:14 |
| w00t | I'm saying where the convention comes from, and you nitpick by pointing out that we don't even have a wiki policy? | 21:14 |
| w00t | seriously... | 21:14 |
| w00t | how is shooting people for putting work in progress material on a personal page productive use of time? :) | 21:15 |
| lbt | no, but you started it | 21:15 |
| w00t | no, I didn't | 21:15 |
| lbt | "it's even in the Wikipedia: namespace for 'what may I have in my user pages' :)" | 21:15 |
| w00t | yes | 21:15 |
| lbt | so... you pointed at the rules | 21:15 |
| w00t | because I was using wikipedia as the case study... :) | 21:15 |
| lbt | I said "we have none" | 21:15 |
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| Myrtti | w00t: discussing where documentation is useful isn't unproductive | 21:15 |
| w00t | Myrtti: so why did you do it? | 21:16 |
| lbt | I agree with Myrtti that home: is a bad thing | 21:16 |
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| w00t | I don't | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | my page is marked as draft and since the vmdk is broken, there is a good reason for it | 21:16 |
| w00t | and I'm pointing out that on other big wiki instances, there is a convention to do this | 21:16 |
| lbt | do you publicise it? | 21:16 |
| lbt | it's "promoted" and shared | 21:16 |
| w00t | if you feel so strongly about it, why not write your own documentation instead of shooting people about where they put their *work in progress* material? | 21:16 |
| lbt | so it should go into the main namespace | 21:16 |
| w00t | if you do that often enough then maybe they'll just stop writing it | 21:17 |
| lbt | having it in your own space implicitly says "Don't touch" | 21:17 |
| * Stskeeps goes watch futurama | 21:17 | |
| * Myrtti fucks off | 21:17 | |
| w00t | you're right, it does | 21:17 |
| w00t | and it not working at all is a pretty good reason to say "don't touch" | 21:17 |
| lbt | it only doesn't work today | 21:18 |
| w00t | it not being finished would be another pretty good reason | 21:18 |
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| lbt | not working is a bug in opensuse, not the wiki page | 21:18 |
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| w00t | you don't tend to release images before they boot on a device, so why are you going to 'release' a wiki page for public consumption? | 21:18 |
| * lbt checks if this is M$ | 21:18 | |
| lbt | oh, no | 21:18 |
| lbt | it's opensource | 21:19 |
| lbt | sharing | 21:19 |
| lbt | release early | 21:19 |
| lbt | contribute | 21:19 |
| lbt | you know... | 21:19 |
| w00t | speaking of sharing, how's that public registration for OBS coming? | 21:19 |
| lbt | ? | 21:19 |
| lbt | you mean getting accounts enabled ? | 21:19 |
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| Weasel_ | Is the raw image in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.8.20101126.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ something I could try with meego qemu? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | w00t, | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | a wiki *IS* by definition work in progress | 21:39 |
| lcuk | if the page is to end up as real documentation its better to be in a collaborative space | 21:40 |
| w00t | lcuk: people have a right to choose *when* they deem their work ready for actual, proper release | 21:40 |
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| w00t | just like people often publish a git repository before they ask people to use it | 21:40 |
| lcuk | random notes and learning stuff goes under your user | 21:40 |
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| arfoll | X-fade, thanks for the meego 1.0 target :-) | 21:40 |
| tybollt | can someone PLEASE put a "work ing progress" banner you know the kind from the early ninties everyone put on their webpages on meego.com? :) | 21:40 |
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| w00t | you don't start hacking on an application and write up an announcement and say "HEY GUYS COME USE THIS" when it doesn't actually work, you invite people to look at material that might help them and contribute to it and *when it works and you think it's ready* you write the post asking for people to use it | 21:41 |
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| * lbt looks for a single "finished" page on the meego wiki... | 21:42 | |
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| w00t | lbt: let me draw you an analogy | 21:42 |
| w00t | lbt: a page with 'draft' or in user namespace: a git repository | 21:42 |
| npm | running meego 1.1 on n900, 'Retrieving repository 'updates-core' metadata [error]' | 21:42 |
| npm | how to fix? | 21:43 |
| w00t | a page in the public namespace or without 'draft': something that has actually been released | 21:43 |
| npm | ^^ in zypper | 21:43 |
| w00t | I'm not a microsoft loving oss-hating bastard like you seem to think I am | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | w00t :( | 21:43 |
| lbt | pfft you know me better | 21:43 |
| w00t | (that was partly said tongue in cheek, btw) | 21:43 |
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| w00t | (IRC so doesn't communicate well for that sort of thing) | 21:44 |
| w00t | anyway | 21:44 |
| * npm finds /etc/zypp/repos.d/updates-core.repo | 21:44 | |
| CosmoHill | it's damn hard to get sarcasm into text | 21:44 |
| w00t | back to the analogy: it's publically visible, so that people can look at it and contribute feedback etc | 21:44 |
| w00t | but it's not considered production ready | 21:44 |
| lbt | and I disagree - a git repo says "feel free to contribute" .. "home:" says "don't touch" | 21:44 |
| w00t | lbt: except you can't contribute to a git repo without push rights | 21:44 |
| * npm wonders what's wrong with http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages/ | 21:44 | |
| tybollt | no | 21:45 |
| w00t | to me, that's what something in a user namespace is | 21:45 |
| lbt | this is basic wiki stuff | 21:45 |
| tybollt | meego is unusable (demo) on n900 :) | 21:45 |
| w00t | it's "here's what I have so far, talk to me about it" | 21:45 |
| lbt | a wiki is a huge sandbox | 21:45 |
| jonnor | My approach to wiki namespaces is simple; if it is useful for others it does not go under my home | 21:45 |
| lbt | jonnor: indeed | 21:45 |
| lbt | home: is for personal stuff | 21:45 |
| jonnor | and, wiki-pages (like software) is never "done" | 21:45 |
| npm | tybollt: it's not unusable. | 21:45 |
| npm | i'm running emacs on my n900 right now, displaying on my desktop | 21:46 |
| npm | trying to figure out what's wrong | 21:46 |
| npm | already corrected the timezone manually :-) | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | right, you can use it to demonstrate how bad it is, that's about it though :) | 21:46 |
| lbt | npm: armv7el ... 'e' | 21:47 |
| npm | actually, the stuff that works, works. it is a developer release | 21:47 |
| npm | i'm doing development. i'd like a time-machine to move foreward two years w/o experiencing pain, but i've had babies puke on me too.... | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | w00t, Myrtti, lbt, jonnor, Stskeeps - there is of course a really simple way to deal with it, we could just make a new page for it now that it became an issue and its sorted - carsten has had plenty of hacking time on it and discussions with people and its being used and others want to contribute (johnx has an edit already), so lets all help and move it into the general namespace? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | (page in question for people wondering) | 21:52 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 21:52 |
| npm | lbt curious thing is there's other dirs with 'armv7l' that are valid: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ | 21:52 |
| lbt | npm: wot? you want consistency ;) | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | hmm you mean those instructions still don't work? | 21:53 |
| lbt | npm: seriously... probably a transitional thing | 21:53 |
| npm | lbt but indeed, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/updates/1.1/core/repos/armv7el/packages/ is a correct replacement for the package in error above | 21:53 |
| npm | is that a filed bug report? or should i? | 21:53 |
| tybollt | ali1234: ex-fucking-actly | 21:54 |
| jonnor | lcuk: as long as Stskeeps approves it sounds good to me | 21:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps would know why it's 7l and 7el .... when he's done with futurama | 21:54 |
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| npm | thks... not sure what is meant by futurama... | 21:55 |
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| npm | this beats bsd 4.2 on a vax back in the early 80's and i can hold it in my hand.... instead of taking up part of an office | 21:56 |
| dm8tbr | npm: he's watching an episode, right now, that's what it means | 21:57 |
| jonnor | futurama is a tv show | 21:57 |
| npm | oh | 21:57 |
| npm | futurama is my n900 :-) | 21:57 |
| jonnor | wow, you need 90GB for for OBS? | 21:59 |
| jonnor | does that apply even if you only want to build for Meego? | 21:59 |
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| npm | one major piece of misleading documentation is http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot indicating to follow http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#Installing_Rootfs_on_external_MMC_card and all the hoo-haa about usb charging | 21:59 |
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| npm | i discovered the easy way that i only had to follow half of the latter and could skip the entire flashing part of the instructions | 22:00 |
| * npm left device plugged in, took break before the flashing part, and came back to n900 running meego | 22:00 | |
| ali1234 | explain? | 22:01 |
| npm | it booted into meego w/o flashing | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | it would do, if you installed uboot from extras devel and wrote the SD card | 22:01 |
| npm | all i did was drop in the memory card and plug it into a powered off computer | 22:01 |
| npm | that's all i did | 22:02 |
| npm | but the instructions made it sound like i needed the flashing part too | 22:02 |
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| lbt | npm: clarify them | 22:02 |
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| npm | of course, the instructions don't mention to look at the screen carefully, as it is actually booting but dark so you don't see what's happening | 22:03 |
| lcuk | i just refound your url list and remembered what you said about meego too | 22:03 |
| lbt | npm: clarify that too :) | 22:03 |
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| npm | will do, once i'm past my day-2 blunders (just got it running last night) | 22:04 |
| npm | lbt any hints on how to enable the camera or video recording, or libs/apps to install to get it running? | 22:05 |
| * npm found sensord for accelerometer so far | 22:05 | |
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| ali1234 | lol, video playback barely works, and you want camera? | 22:06 |
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| lbt | npm: no.. I haven't found time to try it yet :) | 22:06 |
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| lbt | npm: really good to see you exploring though... just stab the naysayers ;) | 22:07 |
| npm | will need it for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com | 22:07 |
| npm | writing architecture doc now: http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/issues/detail?id=1 | 22:08 |
| lbt | neat | 22:09 |
| lbt | you'll need a community OBS account to build the apps for 'Extras' then | 22:09 |
| lbt | grab me when you need that | 22:10 |
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| npm | what is the URL for "Extras" | 22:10 |
| lbt | mmm WIP :) | 22:10 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Extras | 22:11 |
| * lbt notices that that wiki page says [WIP] ;) | 22:11 | |
| npm | yep... thanks for the pointer. | 22:11 |
| npm | so for example if i wanted ffmpeg libs, that would be where to put them? | 22:12 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 22:12 |
| lbt | see 'Surrounds' ... we have a big job to put together the big package library around meego that other distros | 22:13 |
| npm | and can it be as easy as hacking a SPEC file from planetccrma or rpmfusion | 22:13 |
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| lbt | well... it's more a matter of responsibility | 22:13 |
| lbt | if you want to be a Maintainer of a library | 22:14 |
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| npm | i may have to be :-)... but what i'd really want is an automated process to wholesale copy and modify RPMFUSION and PlanetCCRMA ... so as to give "meegolem" effect for other platforms ( http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-community@meego.com/msg01758.html ) | 22:16 |
| lbt | yeah... that's a hack | 22:16 |
| npm | meegolem is a hack, but figuring out a way to modify SRPM spec files wouldn't be | 22:17 |
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| lbt | there's a lot of discussion happened around this area | 22:17 |
| lbt | I personally favour doing something similar... | 22:18 |
| lbt | picking an 'upstream' (say... opensuse) and using that as a reference platform for pkgs that are not in meego | 22:18 |
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| npm | basically have a "wild west repository" where the packages are experimentally directly ported. and then promote them into actual packages once they get positive feedback | 22:18 |
| lbt | but we need to ensure they work against meego core - they need to be adapted to use the correct architecture components | 22:19 |
| lbt | eg ofono/conman | 22:19 |
| lbt | the 'wild west' is your home: area initially | 22:19 |
| lbt | we plan on Surrounds for maintained packages | 22:20 |
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| npm | lbt: i agree, though as a longtime fedora user, i have that pref. perfectly happy w/ opensuse as the "reference" as the OBS would be easier to emulate | 22:20 |
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| npm | one interesting adaptation i found in maemo is 'kmplayer' -- it would be nice to have more kde adaptations for meego | 22:21 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 22:22 |
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| npm | seems like a thin "mobility" kde adaptation would be very useful | 22:22 |
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| lbt | the KDE team are working on meego already | 22:22 |
| lbt | there's a Team:KDE project planned | 22:22 |
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| npm | but there's always the rejection that brings because it's not "pure Qt" ... | 22:23 |
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| lbt | this is Surrounds - the community space | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | how ever will they adapt the KDE user interface style to low resolution screens? | 22:23 |
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| Chani | npm: well, meego's already got koffice in it, that's not "pure qt" :) | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: free glasses | 22:24 |
| lbt | ali1234: that's their problem ... | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | example: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail2.png | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, thats a generic problem | 22:24 |
| npm | hmm... 'koffice' not found in n900 repos :-) | 22:25 |
| lcuk | not something related specifically at KDE or any specific toolkit | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | it's a generic problem that is MUCh worse on KDE than anything else | 22:25 |
| lcuk | nope, you chose a complex example | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | because *all* KDE apps look like that, even the most simple ones | 22:25 |
| jonnor | ali1234: which app is that? | 22:25 |
| Chani | ali1234: well, koffice and kotact solved it by making new UI specifically for mobile | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | that's a hex editor | 22:25 |
| lbt | npm: there's a modified one | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | okteta | 22:25 |
| lcuk | a complex hex editor then | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | all KDE apps are complex | 22:25 |
| lcuk | not so | 22:25 |
| Chani | ali1234: otoh, plasma stuff is much easier to adapt because it's already written to cope with changing formfactors | 22:25 |
| lcuk | all complex apps are complex | 22:25 |
| ali1234 | even the start menu fills most of the screen and has multiple levels of menus | 22:25 |
| lbt | npm: freoffice ? | 22:25 |
| lcuk | and the toolkit of choise does not make that better or worse | 22:26 |
| lbt | ali1234: no, really.... quelle surprise ;) | 22:26 |
| lcuk | its a design fault, not an engineering one | 22:26 |
| Chani | npm: koffice had to be called something else... uhm.. crud, I forget what | 22:26 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i can do that with meego menu now | 22:26 |
| Chani | ali1234: what idiot would try to put a start menu on a phone? | 22:26 |
| lbt | ali1234: if I use VNC to display my dual 1920x1200 screens on my N900 I find the usability poor.... | 22:26 |
| lcuk | its got loads of categrgoies and have to click and stuff | 22:26 |
| lcuk | please, its more than kde | 22:27 |
| lcuk | Chani, someone who wants to run his apps would | 22:27 |
| Chani | lcuk: we have alternate app launchers :) | 22:27 |
| lcuk | Chani, they all have to show apps tho | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | the meego applications menu is much simpler than the kde start menu | 22:27 |
| lcuk | and if you have a lot of apps | 22:27 |
| lcuk | no matter how you lay it out its going to be full | 22:27 |
| Chani | yes, but when you say "start menu" I think traditional old-style app launcher menu | 22:28 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i beg to differ | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i dislike it | 22:28 |
| ali1234 | the thing about the kde menu is there is sometimes three different ways to find the same application | 22:28 |
| lcuk | apart from when I type "a" in the list | 22:28 |
| lcuk | and it shows me the things I want instead of category headings | 22:28 |
| Chani | ali1234: kde has more than one application launcher you know | 22:28 |
| lcuk | (as long as app has "a" in the title | 22:28 |
| Chani | check out plasma-mobile and plasma-netbook | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, on meego netbook theres many more things that could be changed | 22:28 |
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| Chani | netbook has the search&launch interface by default, mobile has.. well, this flip-screen thingy that I haven't quite figured out yet :) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | netbook doesnt have it | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | but you still get the same apps though | 22:29 |
| lcuk | press super key and type "term" | 22:29 |
| lcuk | and see what it does | 22:29 |
| npm | the flip screen thing needs an "in bed mode" | 22:29 |
| lcuk | or move mouse to top and try same ;) | 22:30 |
| Chani | ali1234: erm, what was the point of this discussion again? :) | 22:30 |
| npm | because i always end up turning it and then the image flips upside down.... | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | that KDE apps have always been designed for the highest of high resolution screens, and will never work right on a mobile device unless someone rewrites them from scratch, which totally defeats the purpose of "porting" kde | 22:30 |
| Chani | ali1234: that is quite provably wrong. | 22:31 |
| npm | was using fennec to browse from bed using n900 meego 1.1 | 22:31 |
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| Chani | ali1234: like I said, koffice and kontact's mobile versions were made by doing a new UI (the backends didn't need rewriting, just the UI). and plasma didn't even need to rewrite most of its UI | 22:33 |
| Chani | and then there's marble | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | Chani, :) have you seen cloudgps on the n900 | 22:33 |
| npm | so what would be more interesting is to have all these apps "skinned" by QML so that different application faces can be constructed for desktop or handheld w/ same backend code | 22:34 |
| Chani | I dunno what marble's been up to, though. kinda didn't pay attention to that presentation :) | 22:34 |
| lcuk | runs so smooth :) | 22:34 |
| Chani | lcuk: cloudgps? | 22:34 |
| lcuk | an app for maemo | 22:34 |
| lcuk | mapping | 22:34 |
| lcuk | 3d stuff | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | that reminds me, i've been meaning to ask, what is the difference between plasma and qml? | 22:34 |
| lcuk | you mentioning marble reminded me :) | 22:34 |
| Chani | npm: plasma can do that :D | 22:34 |
| lcuk | ali1234, one will burn you if you get too close and the other is a KDE widget adaption :P | 22:35 |
| npm | with QML? | 22:35 |
| Chani | npm: notmart did a screencast about it recently. | 22:35 |
| Chani | yeah, it uses different qml files based on the device | 22:35 |
| ali1234 | serious question... they seem to have similar goals? | 22:35 |
| Chani | ali1234: nah. plasma is a user of qml | 22:36 |
| lcuk | npm, once you have the object model defined, sure you can construction various utility UIs ontop | 22:36 |
| notmart | ali1234: not really | 22:36 |
| lcuk | but if the app isn't written with that in mind it doesn't end up so simple | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | ok... it's just that i heard about plasma long before qml... so was qml "created" to accomodate things like plasma? | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | questionable mailing list? | 22:37 |
| Chani | not just plasma | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | of course | 22:37 |
| notmart | i mean, we had a widget set in plasma because ther were anything at all in place at the time, but having something lower level to use (preferably qtcomponents using in turn qml) is a better way | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | but the earliest versions of plasma could not have used qml... it was too long ago... or did they? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | isn't QML the QML Markup Language? | 22:37 |
| Chani | qml was created toget designers and coders closer together, it's meant to be something that allows designers to create the UI they want easily | 22:37 |
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| ali1234 | i don't get that thing about "getting coders and designers closer together" - i don't see how making them learn different languages achieves that | 22:38 |
| notmart | ali1234: yes plasma development started around 2007, so there wasn't ml around at the time ;) | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | developer is going to say "i hate javascript so i'm not going near that stuff" - and UI designer is going to say "what's javascript?" | 22:39 |
| Chani | ali1234: qml gets you something like qgraphicsscene but easier and scripted. plasma gives you widgets (in both the pushbutton and weather-monitor sense) and a framework for creating workspaces (although people keep using it in applications too...) | 22:39 |
| notmart | ali1234: the idea of qml i guess is gettng designrs create their mockups with photoshop/gimp/whatever as usual then exporting them to qml with a plugin | 22:39 |
| notmart | the developer then gets the resulting qml files and modifies it "adding semantics" into it and turns it into real code | 22:40 |
| notmart | as opposed to demos in flash which the developer can just watch and try co mimic | 22:40 |
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| ali1234 | heh, cos that method wroks really well for designing websites :) | 22:40 |
| Chani | I think part of it was to try and get the people who design mockups in flash to switch to qml (at least it sounded like that at devdays) | 22:40 |
| npm | this is a good summary of qtquick/qml http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/11/14/how-to-make-modern-mobile-applications-with-qt-quick-components | 22:41 |
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| notmart | but that said qml is quite a low level tool: it gives some primitive ui elements like rectangles, images and what not | 22:42 |
| notmart | what is missing is basically two things: | 22:42 |
| notmart | a) semantics that defines things like "button" (not even look-wise, but more api-wise) | 22:42 |
| jonnor | widgets, and some real best-practices and solutions to common issues? :p | 22:43 |
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| notmart | b) something that makes easy for an application to load the qml files, package them together, hook up them to sources of data, pick different qml files for dfferent target devices... | 22:43 |
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| notmart | and b) is what gives plasma | 22:44 |
| npm | notmart: Button { height: 50;width: 600 text: "Show a cat" onClicked:(window.nextPage(catComponent)) } | 22:44 |
| notmart | jonnor: exactly ;) | 22:44 |
| notmart | while answer to a) is qt components | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | It's a kitty \o/ | 22:44 |
| jonnor | notmart: b) is currently not hard except for the target detection issue... | 22:44 |
| jonnor | which of course is a very critical point | 22:44 |
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| Chani | how does plasma do that? | 22:45 |
| jonnor | hopefully there will be Meego APIs for this "what profile am I running on" might actually be sufficient | 22:45 |
| notmart | Chani: atm plasma does the loading of correct file once is told | 22:46 |
| notmart | what is missing is the hardware detection part, that will be possible to automate -only in part- | 22:46 |
| notmart | qtmobility gives some hints like presence of touchscreen,keyboard and what not | 22:46 |
| notmart | unfortunately until now often x11 just plain lies about the phisical screen size ;) | 22:47 |
| Chani | oh joy :) | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | heh, i remember back when kde would just pick a random DPI after each reboot :) | 22:49 |
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| notmart | eh | 22:50 |
| notmart | or the n900 configured to tell around half or its real dpi to not break old desktop x11 applications ;) | 22:50 |
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| gabrbedd | Hi guys! What should I use for performance profiling on MeeGo? I recall using oprofile in the past -- but that seems to be gone. | 23:43 |
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| arfoll | whats the accepted way to fix the broadcom wireless on the S10-3t after the update? | 23:49 |
| gabrbedd | arfoll: I rebuilt and reinstalled the package. | 23:51 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: But it might work to just reinstall the package. | 23:51 |
| arfoll | gabrbedd, and where did you get the sources? you mean slaine's package? | 23:51 |
| gabrbedd | Yes. | 23:51 |
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| thiago_home | arfoll: install the broadcom driver | 23:54 |
| arfoll | kk | 23:54 |
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| arfoll | but the weird thing is that update wasnt a new kernel (at least i dont think) so how come it went? | 23:55 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: `uname -r` changed, so there's a new /lib/modules folder. | 23:57 |
| gabrbedd | arfoll: Your old driver was probably installed in /lib/modules/2..35.3-10.3-netbook/ | 23:57 |
| gabrbedd | arfoll: But the new kernel is looking in /lib/modules/2.6.35.3-12.1-netbook | 23:58 |
| arfoll | gabrbedd, you are very right | 23:58 |
| arfoll | gabrbedd, i should really read when i do an ugprade | 23:58 |
| arfoll | i only saw they fixed bzip2 package and I was all happy so went with it... | 23:58 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: Well the bigger question is -- does RPM have any triggers for this sort of thing? | 23:58 |
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| arfoll | gabrbedd, well i guess it must. On fedora do people have the nvidia driver bugger off everytime they do an ugprade? | 23:59 |
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