IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2010-11-18

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jonnor-meegoconfI am having problems with the repositories for Meego 1.1 Netbook (unable to resolve repo.meego.com)01:07
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jonnor-meegoconfIs anyone else seeing the same problem, or is it just my network/setup01:07
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nialajonnor-meegoconf:  http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ works for me01:09
jonnor-meegoconfHmm. Interestingly enough Chromium can connect to two http services I cannot from a terminal, including repo.meego.com01:10
jonnor-meegoconfIm at the conference hotel, which wifi uses a proxy so maybe that is it...01:10
jonnor-meegoconfniala: thanks01:11
nialahey so nice conference ?01:11
jonnor-meegoconfYes, very good apart from this little issue01:11
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nialajonnor-meegoconf: you were at aviva stadium? who win01:13
jonnor-meegoconfniala: Norway!01:14
jonnor-meegoconfand being norwegian that is of course a bit fun. Even though I dont really care about football01:15
nialayes just funny01:16
nialajonnor-meegoconf: the public was more us? european? asian?01:17
nialai mean conf not football01:17
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jonnor-meegoconffairly well distributed I'd say. Of course being in Europe there are probably mostly europeans, but a healthy number of people from Asia and the US01:19
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josuniala: http://conference2010.meego.com/news/just-few-days-left-tips-and-directions There is a chart "MeeGo Conference participants by origin"01:20
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gustavoferreiraTermana good morning for you xD here is 00:24 xD ahah02:24
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Jucatoalmost noon for Termana :)02:33
TermanaIt is 11am - but also: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html02:34
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wistler42hi all ... am new to MeeGo.02:37
wistler42been using it for just a few days now.02:38
wistler42am also new to IRC, so forgive me if I step out of bounds.02:38
WIImanhi02:39
wistler42need quick help with MeeGo on Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t netbook.02:39
wistler42hi WIIman02:39
WIImanwhat with02:39
wistler42external mic.02:39
wistler42don't know how to set it up.02:40
wistler42i already gave up on the internal mic, because i read in the forums that the one in s10-3t wasn't yet supported.02:40
WIImanlol wish i could help on a dell mini 10 and never bother with thexternal nic at least no yet02:40
wistler42hmm02:41
wistler42:P02:41
WIImanlook in settings though02:41
WIImanmight be something there02:41
WIImanmic mght be muted02:41
WIImanmuted02:41
WIIman cant type lol02:41
wistler42i tried to see what i could. i believe i've got pulseaudio, but i tried all the buttons on the panels. .. but couldn't find anything that worked.02:42
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WIImanhmm not sure then . tryed diffrent mic ?02:45
WIImanone sec lett me look at something02:45
wistler42what i saw in the hardware "config?" screen was about 5 profiles: Off, Analog Stereo Input, Digital Stereo Duplex (IEC958), [Dig. Stereo Output + Ana. Ste. Inp], Ana. Ste. Out., and Ana. Ste. Duplex. Only the last one allows me to hear stuff on the speakers, otherwise they don't work on other profiles..02:45
wistler42no, this mic was the only one i have. :(02:46
wistler42it's brand new though ... i dunno if it works yet ... directly plugged it in to try to get it to work with MeeGo.02:46
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pupniki would use standard linux debug methods02:49
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wistler42erm ... what would those be ?02:49
WIImanunder sound in settings ? check input02:49
WIImansee if mic is detected02:49
WIImanwont work if its not seen02:50
wistler42no, only one selection is available: Internal Audio Analog Stereo02:50
wistler42:-(02:50
wistler42:P02:50
wistler42hmm02:51
WIImanno mic then sorry02:51
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WIImantry an onother brand02:51
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wistler42will have to find one02:51
WIImangood luck02:51
wistler42ok, np. thanks.02:52
WIImannp02:52
pupnikis there a /proc/asound on meego?02:52
wistler42yes...02:52
wistler42i seem to have it ...02:53
pupnikshould list your input/output devices02:53
pupnikbut i'm not sure how it works with pulseaudio and so on02:53
wistler42hmm, dunno how to use it.02:54
pupnikbut if it's exposing the device via alsa, you might be able to use alsa tricks to discover and activate the internal mic02:54
pupnikwell wistler42 - the ideapad is a very common device for meego dev folks, it seems02:55
pupnikmaybe you should post in the bugtracker or forum, as it might be something affecting more people02:55
wistler42:-) me lucky?02:55
wistler42lol02:55
wistler42wish everything was working smoothly though.02:55
wistler42i believe meego's got the change to go that far.02:56
pupnikthere's wishing, and there's making it happen02:56
WIImanyeh i thought alsa but no alsaconfig so i figurde no alsa02:56
WIImanso didnt sugest that to him02:56
WIImani tryed it in terminal02:57
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wistler42i saw alsa-info, and ran it ... it printed out a huge file of stuff.02:58
wistler42didn't know how to read it :P02:59
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pupnikwistler42: more card0/pcm0c/info   << for example that on my computer has some info on the capture02:59
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pupnikanyway, i'd post to forum03:00
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wistler42# cat card0/pcm0c/info03:01
wistler42card: 003:01
wistler42device: 003:01
wistler42subdevice: 003:01
wistler42stream: CAPTURE03:01
wistler42id: CONEXANT Analog03:02
wistler42name: CONEXANT Analog03:02
wistler42subname: subdevice #003:02
wistler42class: 003:02
wistler42subclass: 003:02
wistler42subdevices_count: 103:02
wistler42subdevices_avail: 003:02
wistler42hmm, ok .. will try the forums, too.03:02
DorfmeisterHi. I'm trying to get dual boot working on my N900. I downloaded the image and performed dd bs=4096 if=/home/Dorfmeister/Downloads/00SanDisk/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.6.20101116.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 of=/dev/sdb. I also installed the uboot boot loader. However, when I try booting from MMC it doesn't work and boots Maemo instead. How can I solve this? Thanks in advance.03:02
wistler42i thought the IRC channel was more active03:02
DorfmeisterIt says "Wrong image format for bootm command"03:03
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pupnikwistler42: i got the same class of hardware03:05
pupnikDorfmeister: maybe you need to uncompress the bz2 image?03:06
wistler42pupnik, do you have internal or external mic working on your hardware ?03:07
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pupnikinternal working great using plain old sidux03:07
pupnikor aptosid rather03:07
pupnikyou got an alsamixer available for download wistler42 ?03:07
wistler42i think i do ... i can see alsamixer installed .. i must have done that while trying things in vain.03:08
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wistler42you said "sidux" or "aptosid"03:08
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wistler42how do i get/use aptosid ?03:10
WIImanlol try sudo alsamixer03:11
WIImani didnt do sudo first time03:11
WIImannot usualy needed03:11
wistler42ok..03:12
wistler42lemme give it a shot03:12
WIImanun mute mic if available03:12
WIImanor turn it up03:14
WIImanif unn muted03:14
WIImanmay work dont know03:14
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wistler42i tried sudo alsamixer ... this time i saw more options ... esp for recording devices.03:21
wistler42and i saw mic in there set to low vol.03:21
Dorfmeisterpupnik: Thank you. That really solved my problem. I just forgot the decompression. Stupid me.03:22
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wistler42i increased it, and could see a little bit of 'green' on the indicator in Settings/Sounds/Input, but when using Sound Recorder, I still couldn't hear anything..03:22
wistler42i feel it's a little closer to the solution, i just have to keep digging.03:23
wistler42thanks WIIman03:23
WIImanno03:23
WIImanproblem03:23
WIImanlol03:23
pupnikDorfmeister: i honestly wasn't sure - who knows maybe there's a bz2 filesystem out there :)03:26
pupnikit would be nice if alsamixer also showed you current signal levels in a side-bar03:27
dave11guys, what am i doing wrong? im trying to flash my n90003:30
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dave11when i put: run sudo flasher-3.5.exe -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F03:30
dave11RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin03:30
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dave11it shows that run isn't recognized as an internal or external operable program or bath file03:31
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philipp64|laptophowdy.  was wondering what the likelihood of getting linux-ocf into meego (given that it's a BSD license)?04:28
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DorfmeisterHi. I just installed Meego on my N900 (to a microSD card) and now want to add NITDroid as well, but even though I find many threads there doesn't seem to be a good tutorial for this. Could anybody help with this? I know it's not a direct topic of this channel, but maybe somebody here could help - I already tried #n900 and the Nokia forum. Thanks in advance.05:35
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DorfmeisterI started the thread http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?213768-Yet-another-N900-Maemo-Meego-NITDroid-Thread If anybody should later on have an idea, please post it there. Thank you.05:48
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philipp64|laptophmmm.... didn't see a response, so I'm guessing the chances are 'slim' to 'none'.06:42
mgoddard|nokphilipp64|laptop: probably wrong time of day06:42
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philipp64|laptopah.06:44
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dm8tbrgood moarning09:56
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stephgohai!09:58
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stephgis v. quiet this morning, I suppose lots of folks are on their way home09:58
dm8tbryup, and still only day1 videos :-/09:59
Myrttiwohey, I've awaken! first hurdle of the day conquered10:00
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Jucatowaking up is nothing. actually getting up to even a semi-conscious state is the real hurdle :)10:01
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dm8tbrwhich calls for: moaaarrrr caffeine10:02
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hhurttaoooh, coffee, i almost forgot!10:02
hhurttai just wondered what kept me slow10:03
* dm8tbr caffeinates10:03
* stephg doesn't drink coffee, tea for me10:03
dm8tbrearl grey is for later in the day10:04
MyrttiJucato: I can get up without waking up10:05
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MyrttiI can even look astoundingly awake while actually not having a thought in my head10:07
JucatoMyrtti: I did say "semi-conscious", so sleep walking doesn't count :)10:07
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Myrttiright now the situation calls for Boston - More Than A Feeling10:09
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Bostikdo the locomotion10:11
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Bostikand hope trains keep on schedule10:11
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MyrttiBostik: I don't really care, not going anywhere from home :-D10:12
BostikI had no choice :/10:12
Bostikbut on the positive side I didn't need to wake up at 050010:13
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Myrttilife is hard, pays out to be the lowly developer10:13
mecehaha10:14
Bostik..architect, but otherwise correct10:14
mecetruth!10:14
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meceare we talking about the weather or hangovers?10:14
Bostikweather - so far10:15
Bostikwant to expand the scope?10:15
mecelovely skidding weather today. Unfortunately I'm stuck with my van today :(10:15
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dm8tbrooh, instead of video slides appeared for some talks :D10:31
* dm8tbr is happy10:31
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thiagodm8tbr: we'll upload them in the coming days11:06
* thiago got two emails to upload his slides11:06
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dm8tbrthiago: people from one of the talks I'm very interested in uploaded already. helps me prepare for a meeting later today. I'm happy.11:09
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* thiago has uploaded his slides for the bof session11:12
thiagoI sent mine for the roadmap update to my boss to give a quick check before I upload11:12
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timeless_mbppeople still around?11:17
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thiagotimeless_mbp: nope :-)11:19
timeless_mbpso you're back in the land of trolls? :)11:20
thiagonot yet11:20
thiagobut I'm leaving right now11:20
thiagoteeth brushed, stuff packed11:21
thiagoonly missing the laptop11:21
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sub7limeSo what hardware do I need to develop touch based app for Meego11:29
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Myrttidepends a bit on what UX you're planning to aim at11:29
sub7limewhich netbooks or tablets are new?11:31
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zinitmorning11:38
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nialamorning12:30
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zinithow was the game last night?12:31
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nialanorway win I think zinit12:32
auke2:1 yes12:33
aukewas a good game to watch :)12:33
nialahello auke happy  conference ?12:33
aukeit's over12:33
aukenow I'm stuck in meetings all day12:33
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nialaa lot of people from everywhere ? or just europeen and us/intel ? you believe more now in meego?12:35
Stskeepsauke: was good meeting you in person :)12:35
Stskeepsniala: a lot of different companies and individuals12:35
aukenumber #1 purpose of conference :)12:35
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aukeit'll be a major boost going forward for meego12:36
aukeI was surprised by the amount of people12:36
Stskeepswell, it really shows we're on the right track and have the right idea, i guess12:37
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nialaso we can continue work for meego, sometimes i have no hope in meego because  of the competition, no real handset, etc12:38
aukethat's our biggest hurdle12:38
zinitit been a few news artickles about meego the last few days. even in norwegian newspapers....12:39
nialaand f... girl but that is another personal story :)12:39
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aukewell the AMD thing popped up everywhere12:39
aukewhich is great12:39
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aukeI don't think the press has actually picked up on the implication of that yet12:40
Stskeepsand they'll have ssse3, which is nice12:40
zinitsaw something about nokia planning to drop out a product with meego this year... (an artickle in a newspaper, not an official release, sÃo dont know if tis real or not)12:40
nialaquestion about amd will sse3 specification lost ?12:40
zinitthe press is great12:40
Stskeepsno, amd bobcat comes with ssse3 it seems like12:40
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aukethink about it - now 100% of CPU suppliers for windows 7 is working on a different OS themselves....12:40
zinithelps spread the word that there is something new out there12:40
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Stskeepsauke: on arm side we're really starting to be close to have every big arm vendor as well12:41
aukehttp://fastflip.googlelabs.com/search?q=meego&type=search12:42
aukeStskeeps: nice12:42
aukeI totally welcome that12:42
nialaauke: true but now windows have a windowphne to12:42
aukeyes but winphone doesn't offer something that fills a gap for vendors12:42
aukemeego does fill that gap12:42
* niala remember when last century his friend laught when they see redhat 412:43
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zinitI posted a thread on the forum for meego on the palm T|X. havent a clue if meego ARM will run on it, but it would be cool12:44
nialanow they use "linux" and they even not know12:44
Stskeepsseems like arm baseline will be armv7 at least12:44
zinithttp://www.palm.com/europe/en/products/handhelds/tx/specs.html12:46
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zinitthats the specs if someone wants to see if it can run meego in one for or another12:46
aukenice12:50
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zinitwhat arcitecture is it windows mobile runs on anyway? ARM or some obscure x86?12:51
zinitif windows runs on soemthing it should be possible to stick linux on it...12:51
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aukehttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372740,00.asp12:51
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zinitbtw. te touchpad on the netbooks... lenovo uses 2 touchplad suppliers there.. one has the synaptics driver and one is some other thing I never heard about before...12:52
zinitmight ahve to use ndiswrapper to get the rightclick to work properly...12:53
zinitthe driver is on the lenovo website12:53
zinitsitting at work now so havent been able to test it yet.12:53
nialaauke: we can say that is the real begin of meego? before the press has not a lot of reviews. In france a least12:53
zinitsame everywhere I think12:53
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aukezinit: trunk has the bits to enable left/right click for the lenovo touchpad part12:54
nialanow wait blabla@amd.com email in meego-devel12:55
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zinitauke: is it listed on the forum so I can find it when I get home today?12:55
aukeprobably not12:56
aukeit's just a package in Trunk12:56
zinitok12:56
aukebut trunk has a new xorg version as well12:56
zinitso a system update should do the trick?12:56
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zinithave the exact same problem in the linux'es I have tested. meego, ubuntu, linux mint (debian version) and fedora12:57
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nialamaybe that can enable right clic for touchscreen asus t101 to ?12:57
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zinitthere is also a fw update that takes care of the response on the screen. (the inacuracy)12:58
nialaI mean I can't easily upgrade from 1.1 to trunk?12:58
zinitwas reading on it earlier today.12:59
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zinit(ofcourse... you have to have windows runnign on the machine to do any kind of fw update... (go figure)12:59
aukeniala: there's no application to automate the changes needed on your system13:00
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aukeniala: but it's techically a very simple procedure13:00
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auke(1) get new repo files, (2) get release pacakge with new keys, (3) zypper dup13:01
aukethis method will allow you to dist-upgrade to any release13:01
aukeyou could even fall back to 1.0 from trunk, etc.13:01
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nialawhen i have tried this in 1.0 to trunk  this summer I failed, too many errors. But ok I ll try again :)13:03
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aukedid you zypper update or zypper dup?13:05
nialazypper update13:06
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nialasorry ux restart alone...13:07
nialaand no id respawn to fast ... that is a progress :)13:08
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evdaemoniahi, anyone there?13:15
Stskeepsevdaemonia: just ask away :)13:16
evdaemoniaoh13:17
evdaemoniai am looking to DL meego for netbook13:17
evdaemoniabut all the sites are SO dang slow13:17
evdaemonia3k/s?13:17
evdaemonia8k?13:17
evdaemoniawhat gives? :(13:17
nialano luck... ouch!13:17
evdaemoniaeta 1 day13:17
evdaemoniawtf lol13:17
evdaemoniathis is from meego.com13:18
Stskeepsevdaemonia: mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ might be faste13:18
evdaemoniathanks, trying13:19
evdaemoniaothers, anyone know a good torrent?13:19
evdaemoniaisonhunt kinda scared me off13:19
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nialaevdaemonia: maybe it's you connection because for me it's take 20minutes13:20
evdaemoniai am in australia :P13:21
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evdaemoniaThanks Stkeeps... this mirror is great..... getting 320KB now13:21
evdaemoniaeta 42 mins13:21
evdaemonialife-saver :)13:21
nialaevdaemonia: well maybe a shark cut the connection :)13:21
evdaemoniai am planning to install it dual boot with win xp on the MSI Wind13:22
evdaemoniai am a linux novice though13:22
nialaevdaemonia:  welcome13:23
evdaemoniathanks13:23
evdaemoniai recently made my main pc dual boot13:23
evdaemoniaalmost all on my own13:23
evdaemoniabut my friend had to come help13:23
evdaemoniacoz GRUB went all messy13:23
evdaemoniahaha13:23
zinithttp://mirrors4.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img13:24
zinitthat one is fast13:24
evdaemoniathanks but i am 7% done already13:24
evdaemoniais anyone at meego.com aware of the slow DL you reckon?13:24
zinitdownloading at 2Mbit/s13:24
evdaemoniaor is it just for me :(?13:24
ziniterr.. 2MB/s13:25
ziniteta 10 min's it sais here now13:25
evdaemoniathanks13:26
evdaemoniar u also DL meego??13:27
zinitgonna stick it in a VM here13:27
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zinitdumping it to my server now. I can make it availeable there13:28
zinit100Mbit dedicated link so it should give descent speeds13:28
evdaemoniayou're so generous :)13:28
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zinitno. I'm bored:P13:28
Myrttiof course, the problem might just be that the internets in .au is crap.13:29
zinitcould be13:29
evdaemoniawell yeah13:29
evdaemoniait is13:29
evdaemoniawe have a massive debate about it13:29
evdaemoniawhether or not to spend $43 billion on fibre13:29
zinitand if you are at the D4 hotel you got more packets lost than recieved:P13:29
zinitas someone made me aware of last nigt13:30
evdaemoniaso has anyone here put meego on msi wind?13:30
TwootHi, ca comeone help me? I flashed meego on N900, connect to it through ssh, but when I try to execute 'zypper refresh' it could not download needed xml file. Looks like something wrong with dns resolving, but when I try to ping something, ping resolves ip address successfully13:30
evdaemoniai just hope the wi-fi works13:30
zinitwind has an atheros chip doesnt it?13:30
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zinitthen it should work out of the box13:31
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evdaemoniaoh good :)13:32
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zinitgot linux on it now?13:34
zinitlspci will show you what you got13:34
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zinitif its windows, check the hardware list. you never know... could be they put something weird in yours.. like broadcom or their own..13:35
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zinitbest to doublecheck. vendors use various wlan chils on the same model13:36
zinitchips13:36
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zinithttp://zinit.servebeer.com/div/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img13:42
zinitthere you go13:42
mortenmjzinit: how was the party after the game yesterday?13:42
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zinitmortenmj: didnt go. I left about 30 minutes after the game started13:42
zinitwas falling asleep:P13:43
mortenmjright. caught a plane at 5pm myself13:43
zinitthen you missed the fun before the game started13:43
mortenmjyeah13:43
zinitwas a nice party before the game and heard the half'time was nice too13:43
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evdaemoniai am 44% there13:45
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zinit:)13:46
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zinitevdaemonia: whats the speeds you are getting?13:54
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* CosmoHill got given a Intel Q6600 :o13:56
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mortenmjhar du lagt inn debian p14:11
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mortenmjoops. wrong chan14:11
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CosmoHillindeed14:12
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araujoStskeeps, what exactly is that licensing? o_O14:31
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royaflashhello14:42
zinitevening14:43
royaflashdid everyone this ፕላቸ14:43
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zinitwonder how long it will be before symbian will be 100% buried and cremated....15:01
zinitwould be fun to be able to stick meego on symbian phones....15:01
zinitbringing life to old phones...15:01
CosmoHill:)15:02
zinitmaybe I could find some use gfor my E6315:02
zinitthere are several symbian phones that got a bit of power in them. imagine being able to use it for something useful after they get "retired" as phones...15:04
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CosmoHillrealitygaps: I read your name as "realitygays" :/15:13
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BryceThere was talk at the meego conference about how best to handle shared libraries that are not in the core repository and I was wondering if anyone had started a discuss thread anywhere about this as it seemed undecided.15:15
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JaffaAf'noon15:23
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smokuBryce, what's wrong in keeping the same repository as the app that requires them?15:33
smokukeeping in*15:33
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BryceIf my application requires libpythonX that is not in core and I add it to my package, and then your application requires libpythonX.Y and you do the same thing then we start to have redundancies. And if we're dynamically linking our libraries then your newer library could break my application.15:36
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BryceBad connection15:44
pupnik_correct explanation Bryce15:46
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pupnik_and the dynamics of a small distro are different than the major linux ones15:47
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pupnik_most of the issues around this aren't so much technical as social ... human-networking related15:48
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Brycesorry, my connection went in and out for a few minutes, did I miss something?15:51
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CosmoHillhmm, car insurance is £1750 on a £1800 car15:52
StskeepsBryce: this would be a good mailing list topic :)15:52
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CosmoHillit's like they're expecting me to write it off yearly15:53
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BryceStskeeps, I wasn't sure if there was already a thread similar to this, or if it belongs in community or dev or packaging as it seems related to all.15:54
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Stskeepsthere was one but it was very entangled with the compliance work15:54
Stskeepsi think a proper discussion how to get it done would be useful, ie, a constructive one..15:55
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Bryceany suggestions for which mailing list? I think that its a big enough issue that we need plenty of people to be aware of it to figure out what will work best.15:57
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nanderssonHi, what graphics engine does Meego use? X Window System?16:10
nanderssonor is it some framebuffer thing?16:10
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CosmoHillIntel :)16:13
StskeepsCosmoHill: that's wildly inaccurate16:13
CosmoHillapart from the GMA50016:13
CosmoHilloh sorry, I misread the question16:13
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CosmoHillxorg but I think someone is playing with wayland for the tablet16:13
nanderssonOk, it sounds reasonable. I think Wayland would make more sense16:14
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CosmoHillthere's been a lot of things going on recently around wayland16:26
CosmoHillubuntu and fedora are giving it a go / making it aviable16:26
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smokuat last16:29
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CosmoHillI've been meaning to try it for ...forever16:30
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smokuhaving all graphics related stuff abstracted from XOrg already, this is the next logical step16:31
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CosmoHillI read xorg wanted to merge their drivers back into it16:31
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smokuwell... graphics drivers are not related to X11 anyway16:32
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smokuthe XServer should have only X11 related stuff and nothing more16:32
CosmoHillI agree, they should be seperate16:32
smokuand work as an userspace app16:32
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* pupnik votes for smoku16:33
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pupniksmoku: don't forget to think about arbitrating one card between multiple operating systems16:33
smokuis there a use case for this?16:34
pupnikswitching via a hypervisor between multiple OS's on one machine16:34
pupnikthat is detaching your 'console' from one os and reattaching to another16:35
pupnikstuff that was trivial in 198816:35
pupnikwell microsoft ensured that this is broken16:35
pupniktoday16:35
smokuwell, that's the job of the kernel driver anyway16:36
smokuto be able to bring up the graphisc hardware to an usable state from any arbitrary state16:36
pupnikit's a non-trivial problem16:37
smokuit's being fixed already due to the hibernation requirements16:37
pupnikyes16:37
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smokunot only in graphics driver16:37
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pupniksmoku: so where's the global push to make this work?16:37
smokulinux kernel folks finally realized that if they want a working hibernation, the "mac way" is the only way16:37
smokuthere is16:38
pupniklet me switch on the fly between linux/bsd/windows/meego with native gpu access?16:38
rauliany flaming posts from linus on the subject ? :)16:38
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pupnikty for the comments smoku16:38
smokuall new driver interfaces in kernel are created this way - you are not given a clue about the current state of the hardware when you get the init instruction16:39
pupnikgood, then i wasn't just imagining this16:39
pupnikwell i was, but others were too16:40
smokuand you cannot assume that the init is called only once during the boot or module initialization16:40
pupnikprecisely16:40
smokubut that required fixing the base infrastructure behind this. the usb subsystem, creating udev and its events etc.16:41
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smokunow, the drivers are being converted. slowly16:41
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smokurauli, AFAIK Linus is all for. he opposed including all the nasty hacks required to make hibernation kind of work. but this is really cleanup of the driver interfaces, and gives working hibernation as a free bonus :)16:44
zinitfound some nice artickles about what 3G card the s10-3t supports16:46
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zinitlisted them on the forum. (the ones that doesnt require you to hack the bios)16:47
zinitwould be nice to be able to use 3G directly on the machine instead of being stuck with a mobile deciding to charge from the netbook when you are sitting at a pub somewhere with no electrical outlet:P16:47
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thebootroo_does meego supports the Atom N270 and the GMA950 ?16:57
* CosmoHill checks16:57
dm8tbrgma950 sounds like what's in the Archos916:57
CosmoHillyes16:58
dm8tbrthe answer is: that driver is a mess and there is currently no repository with packages for it16:58
thebootroo_arf16:58
dm8tbror was that for the touchscreen?16:58
CosmoHilldm8tbr: I thought that was the GMA50016:58
dm8tbrthere was a lengthy discussion on forums16:59
Stskeepsdm8tbr: i think you're thiknking about gma50016:59
dm8tbroooooh16:59
thebootroo_so the 950 is ok ?16:59
CosmoHillthe GMA950 is designed by Intel16:59
dm8tbrgma500 was just labeled by intel17:00
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odin_afternoon everyone nice to meet with those I did17:01
Stskeepsafternoon - you made it home safely?17:01
odin_thanks ah yes indeed, had a long sleep to catch up tho :)17:02
odin_I read you had a 3am start to the airport yourself :(17:02
Stskeepsi'm overtired at 4pm, can't be good..17:03
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CosmoHillStskeeps: your UTC+1 right?17:07
CosmoHilloh wait, a 3am flight? anyone would be tired then17:07
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whoodatI used unetbootin to create a live usb stick, when I try to boot from it I get an error saying it can't find the filesystem, and to create a symlink to /dev/root/ and exit the terminal to continue boot. I tried 2 different usb drives and checked the md5. any thoughts? Acer aspire one d150.18:15
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fcrozatjust use dd18:16
fcrozatthe iso are dumpable without anything else needed18:16
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whoodatthat's kind of what i figured. Will try dd when I get home tonight.18:18
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thpwhere do i submit feed urls for inclusion into planet meego (meego.com/aggregator)?18:37
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* Debolaz wishes for meego on an ubuntu base. :/18:53
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aukedebolaz: never gonna happen, get over it :)18:58
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Debolazauke: Hehe. But it would be so convinient... MeeGo has such a sexy user interface, but really lags behind everywhere else, leveraging the Ubuntu platform that problem would magically go away.19:01
aukenope, that's a false assumption19:01
DebolazAnd I could get the only thing that really stops me from adopting MeeGo, full disk encryption.19:01
aukeif that's the feature that is missing for you, then just wait until it gets enabled19:02
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aukebesides19:02
StskeepsDebolaz: where does it lag behind?19:02
aukethere already is ecryptfs support19:02
aukeso you can encrypt your entire /home already19:02
fcrozatand meego is way better than ubuntu on boot time19:02
fcrozat(and will be even better soon ;)19:03
jacekowski~seen ali123419:03
infobotali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 7d 2h 53m 56s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'.19:03
DebolazStskeeps: I gave a specific example.19:03
aukeDebolaz: if you have time, go ahead and try the ecryptfs support in e.g. the 1.1 netbook image19:03
Debolazauke: /home-only encryption is something that should generally be avoided, it is enormously more complex in terms of security than the full disk encryption approach.19:03
jacekowskitransparent file level encryption19:04
jacekowskintfs style19:04
aukeperhaps, perhaps not. are you an expert on encryption?19:04
DebolazFor instance, the swap partition must also be encrypted.19:04
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aukeheh, on meego systems you shouldn't use swap :)19:04
auke(I realize there's still swap by default, and I hate that fact)19:04
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DebolazImagine opening that secret file, and some other program decides to grab all the memory. Your secret file gets written out to swap.19:04
aukeso? disable swap and be happy?19:05
dm8tbrand put /tmp in tmpfs19:05
aukethat's easy19:05
Debolazauke: That's only one of the many possible ways it can fail. Basically, it requires a very deep level of understanding to attain the same level of security as with full disk encryption and has a lot less tolerance for mistakes.19:06
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* Myrtti dons on the tinfoil19:06
DebolazMyrtti: Saying that complexity makes things more difficult isn't really very paranoid. I19:06
DebolazI'm just stating that ecryptfs is for most people a useless feature because it requires too much knowledge than what is realistic to expect people to have.19:07
DebolazMyrtti: And it's not about the possibility of someone spying on you or protecting yourself from the government or anything weird like that; The fact is that corporate information must often be protected, that's a perfectly reasonable demand for a company to make for whatever distribution they chose to use on their laptops.19:08
* Myrtti has all her partitions and external hard drives encrypted due to a requirement at work, just loves tinfoil19:08
Myrttimeow19:09
RST38hMoo all, heya Myrtti19:09
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* RST38h wonders if directing the crowd-dispersing microwave beam at people in tinfoil hats will boil and blow their brains19:10
dm8tbrmars-attacks style?19:10
aukeI'm about to rip the wifi base station from the ceiling of this hotel and throw it out of the window :(19:10
RST38hauke: Will this restore connectivity?19:11
aukeit will restore sanity19:11
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MyrttiI approve this plan19:11
* Debolaz just tried Ubuntu Netbook 10.10 for evaluation. Verdict: My netbook wasn't beefy enough to run it. :(19:11
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DebolazI can certainly understand why Mark would want to move away from Xorg.19:13
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lbthey auke19:17
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lbtI guess you found how messed up the image is by now...19:18
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ali1234jacekowski: hi, what's up?19:27
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daisy21Hey can anyone tell me if it is possible to boot meego from a USB key...I've installed it fine but I'm getting a kernel panic warning19:30
Aarddaisy21: yes, it is19:32
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daisy21I've read that you have to put in rootdelay=8 when booting kernel but this doesn't work19:32
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daisy21Aard: any ideas?19:34
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* Aard has next to no idea about the meego netbook stuff19:34
ali1234i saw a kernel panic when someone was trying to install it yesterday at the conf19:35
jacekowskiali1234: finally19:35
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jacekowskiali1234: how did you knew i was looking for you?19:35
ali1234had to start over19:35
daisy21ali1234: I've installed it twice19:35
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jacekowskiali1234: anywas, as far as i know you managed to port u-boot to n90019:36
jacekowskianyways*19:36
ali1234i think he pulled the usb key out too soon19:36
ali1234yes, sort of19:36
ali1234it is chainloaded from the nokia bootloader19:36
jacekowskii know how to replace nolo with something else19:36
jacekowskifor example uboot19:36
ali1234well, ok, it should work19:36
jacekowskii just have a size problem19:37
jacekowskibecause uboot would have to fit into same space as nolo19:37
ali1234yes19:37
daisy21ali1234: ok thanks I'll try it again :-(19:37
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ali1234and also no, because the flash partition layout is set up by nolo and u-boot doesn't support it19:38
ali1234u-boot also does not support generating the correct atags, those are taken from nolo19:38
jacekowskiyep19:38
ali1234or in other words, if you install u-boot you will also have to repartition the flash and recompile the kernel to support the new partitioning system and so on19:39
ali1234it really isn't worth it just to get rid of nolo19:39
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ali1234also u-boot can't write to the flash so you need nolo to reflash easily19:39
jacekowskiwell, or uboot can be changed to support it19:39
ali1234unless you fix it of course19:39
ali1234yes19:39
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jacekowskia was expecting little bit more enthusiasm19:40
ali1234i already figured out all this was possible but i didn't see a point in doing it19:41
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ali1234i mean why replace nolo?19:41
jacekowskiwhy port uboot?19:41
ali1234for dual booting meego development images19:42
jacekowskiyou can do it with kexec19:42
ali1234and/or android/ubuntu... etc19:42
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ali1234actually you can't19:42
thiago_hometimeless_n900: where to?19:42
ali1234not in a reasonable way19:42
ali1234kexec doesnot put hardware in the same state as a cold boot19:43
timeless_n900HEL (home)19:43
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ali1234therefore it is not much goood for testing19:43
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ali1234kexec booting is also hella slow since it has to boot up twice, if you're trying to track down a kernel panic that's really annoying19:44
thiago_hometimeless_n900: I heard there were problems for HEL today19:44
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jacekowskiali1234: then you save even more time19:48
jacekowskiali1234: if you get rid of nolo19:48
maclaverthiago_home: HEL was OK, but I heard that traffic this morning was chaotic.19:48
ali1234about 0.01 seconds, sure :)19:48
jacekowskinope19:48
jacekowskiit takes 1.2+ seconds to boot nolo19:48
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ali1234i don't believe that19:48
jacekowski0.5s19:49
jacekowskihttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump19:49
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ali1234well, ok, but a lot of that code would need to be put in u-boot19:50
ali1234and there's a big difference between 0.5 seconds, and 15 seconds, then press some buttons, then wait another 15 seconds19:50
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jacekowskinot uber-cool backlight fade in for sure19:50
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jacekowskiand just that is 9ms19:51
ali1234kexec method also requires you to mess with maemo filesystem, which i do not like19:51
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ali1234and removing nolo will require a lot better understanding of the hardware than what i have19:52
ali1234if you wanted you could make u-boot a lot faster just by removing the graphics, keyboard, and boot timeout stuff19:53
ali123499% of users don't need that19:53
ali1234actually none of those would work without nolo to set up the hardware19:55
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ali1234unless you put all the code in u-boot19:55
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ali1234there is also some magic that nolo does with power saving / sleep modes19:56
ali1234it would be quite a lot of work to reverse all that stuff, for very very little benefit if any at all, imo19:57
thiago_homemaclaver: snow?19:58
jacekowskiali1234: work that is already done19:58
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ali1234well, ok, but what's the benefit?20:01
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jacekowskipreventing global warming by booting phone faster20:02
mortenmjX-Fade: you around?20:02
jacekowskiand therefore using less energy20:02
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ali1234hmm ok, the menu has gone and i can't alt-tab. cos of the whole "zones" thing, this is now the only window i can get to. what do?20:26
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Jartzahttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/11/microsoft-linux-at-end-of-its-life.html20:34
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Jartzaall your efforts are useless!20:34
berndhsyeah, MS is close to the end, we all know it :)20:35
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Mece_Jartza, O.o20:41
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Stskeepsevening slaine21:27
slaineHey Stskeeps, you're home safe and sound I hope21:28
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Stskeepssafe, sound, hmm.. need sleep21:28
Stskeeps:P21:28
slaineYeah, me too, and I'd the least amount of traveling ;)21:28
slaineWas great to meet up21:29
* thiago_home had a blast21:29
thiago_homeyeah21:29
* slaine waves to thiago_home 21:29
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slaineeverybody really seemed to have a great time21:29
slainefelt great to be a part of it21:29
* slaine looks at the mountain of email from work and sighes21:31
* Stskeeps is installing meego sdk for fun and profit21:32
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slainethiago_home: Qt apps on MeeGo, what am I doing wrong, they look terrible21:36
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thiago_homenothing. There's a limit to what a style can do for QWidget...21:38
slainethere doesn't appear to be any style though, the fonts aren't anti-aliased21:39
slaineit looks like something is missing from a setup perspective, but I can't figure out what as I'm a Qt newb21:39
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Bostikhave to interview our guys who were there for their feelings :/21:44
Stskeepsthey're probably too busy playing with their ideapads21:44
Stskeeps:P21:44
Bostikwell obviously next week21:44
Bostikday off tomorrow for an inhuming21:45
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* Stskeeps ponders if to go for handset ux based desktop for his tv machine, kitchen tablet (joggler) and other smaller tablets like old nokia internet tablets..21:45
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RST38hStskeeps: Use Windows on the TV machine.21:46
ali1234i just installed the handset image on the ideapad21:46
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StskeepsRST38h: why, though?21:46
RST38hStskeeps: Way more games for Windows.21:46
ali1234it needs a lot of work but it does at least ... support a touchscreen21:46
RST38hStskeeps: Otherwise, it would not matter21:46
StskeepsRST38h: that's true, but then again i'm the civ3/red alert2 type of person21:47
RST38hStskeeps: But you never really know21:47
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RST38hStskeeps: If the machine is underpowered though, Linux will do fine asnone of the games will run anyway21:47
slaineali1234: I plan on doing the same once the tide of returned to work stuff dies down and I've got time to play21:48
slaineI'll also setup my n900 dev unit21:48
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StskeepsRST38h: well, tv is more about media for me21:52
GAN900US soil again.21:53
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RST38hStskeeps: Assuming that you are not watching broadcast TV, anyhing with Bittorren client and MPlayer will do =)21:56
Stskeepshehe :P21:57
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GAN900Stskeeps, by the way. Seeing you on stage on Monday was the only highlight of the keynotes. *g*21:57
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dm8tbrah, better22:02
dm8tbr_MeeGoBot_: botsnack22:02
_MeeGoBot_yay22:02
RST38hGAN:flattery! =)22:02
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StskeepsGAN900: hehe - not even the giveaway announcement? ;)22:02
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GAN900Stskeeps, meh, Lenovo. :P22:18
javispedrowhat a choice of a laptop for netbook ux22:18
javispedrothough I wonder if it's not part of a master plan22:18
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GAN900Stskeeps, seeing as how you're the only real example of meritocracy in action so far.22:18
javispedrothousands of geeks trying to fix the "slightly broken" ACPI implementation on it?22:18
GAN900javispedro, remote detonators?!22:19
javispedroGAN900: or that!22:19
* GAN900 wonders if qole ever made it out of the airport.22:19
StskeepsGAN900: well, jeremiah too22:20
GAN900We kept running into him at each step in the process all morning.22:20
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javispedrobtw, a pleasure to talk to all of you guys22:21
GAN900Everybody see the shaming picture on sjgadsby's flickr?22:21
GAN900javispedro, always.22:21
GAN900Incredible group of people.22:21
GAN900http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/5184641401/22:23
javispedroquite interesting experience22:23
* javispedro should try to find time and write a review blog post or sth22:23
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GAN900You're all bastards for missing my unconf, though!22:24
javispedro:) maybe that means there was preexisting consensus!22:25
javispedro... or that giving out the lenovos minutes after the sessions was a bad idea ;)22:25
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GAN900Hehe22:26
GAN900Well, they were supposed to be day 1.22:26
javispedro*before ;P22:26
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RST38hjavispedro: they have done it before, with n900s22:26
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GAN900It's OK, we formed a Shadow Council.22:26
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RST38hHas it got....errrm...more power than the real council?22:27
GAN900RST38h, good question.22:27
* GAN900 sends a hit squad to RST38h's house.22:27
* RST38h powers up the vacuum tubes in his doomsday weapon22:28
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* javispedro finds no way to task switch on the lenovo in tablet mode22:30
javispedrohum.. of the front buttons, the first one doesn't seem to send anything via ps2 (so acpi? wmi?), the second does but should be mapped to rotation, and the third one... well.22:31
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javispedroso, need a onscreen button for taskswitching. that or keep the top bar always visible.22:33
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GAN900Need a Tablet/Netbook franken UX.22:37
* GAN900 boards22:37
GAN900See you from Florida.22:37
javispedrobon voyage22:38
andre41olla22:38
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MeeGoExpertsJust wanted to say it was BRILLIANT seeing some of you at #MeeGoConf ….22:47
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slaine+122:49
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thiago_home+1099 technically :-)22:50
thiago_homewe were 1100 people there22:50
MeeGoExperts@slaine: I don't think I met you in person22:50
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slaineMeeGoExperts: probably not, there was a ton of people around and it was hard to catch up with everyone22:51
thiago_homeMeeGoExperts: what is your name?22:52
MeeGoExpertsTrue. Well you were one of the people I wanted to track down.22:52
MeeGoExpertsThiago: Hashiq (Ash)22:52
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slaineMeeGoExperts: perhaps at the next one ;)22:53
MeeGoExpertsSlaine: Would be good :-)22:54
slaineI only bumped into lbt at the end and then seeing some photo's online, I recognise people but didn't realize who they where and wish I'd gone over22:54
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MeeGoExpertsIt was the best conference i have ever been too22:55
tripzerowhat was the best session?22:55
slaineIt's been too long since my last one to have a valid comparison, but it was amazing22:55
* tripzero needs something to listen to while at work22:55
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slaineI need some coffee if I'm going to continue working ;)22:56
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slainebbs22:56
tripzerohehe22:56
MeeGoExpertsMost of mine recent ones have been of the *corporate* flavour …22:56
nialawhat i m doing wrong ? http://pastebin.com/dL6fAjPF22:56
Chaniblaa!22:56
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thiago_homethis was definitively in the Top 2 of conferences for me22:57
tripzeroniala, why is MaPage a QWidget?22:57
Chanithiago_home: indeed :)22:57
thiago_homeniala: what's the error?22:57
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Chaninow, i ought to finnd out when i'm expected to be at the mobile sprint tomorrow..22:58
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tripzeroMaPage should propbably either be an MApplicationPage or the MApplication window or just a c++ class22:58
nialain constructor MaPage::MaPage22:58
thiago_homeChani: made it to berlin?22:58
Chanithiago_home: yep :)22:59
thiago_homeChani: I have another favour to ask...22:59
nialas/QWidget/MApplication22:59
thiago_homeChani: get the KDE people to write a report on the conference :-)22:59
Chanioh boy22:59
thiago_homeChani: from KDE's perspective22:59
thiago_homeand do it too23:00
tripzerommm23:00
Chanireport as in dot article?23:00
thiago_homeno23:00
tripzerolul23:00
thiago_homethough now that you mention it...23:00
thiago_homeI meant for our own use in KDE, send to the e.V.23:00
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thiago_homeyour impressions, your ideas on how to improve collaboration23:00
tripzero:nod:23:01
Chanithe ovi report is still stalled around 80% i think :/ those of us who write have been stupid busy23:01
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Chanibut, freeze is over, so i guess i need something new don't i? ;)23:01
thiago_homeeveryone writes23:01
MekChani: I think we decided to be in the office around 9am...23:01
thiago_homeI just want the impressions, opportunities for collaboration, etc.23:01
nialasame error: In constructor MaPage:MaPage  ...... MaPage.o Error 123:02
CosmoHillhey th0br023:02
ChaniMek: ah, thanks :)23:02
thiago_homeniala: that's not the error23:02
thiago_homeniala: the actual error is between those lines23:02
thiago_homeniala: it has "error:" in the line23:02
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Chanithiago_home: ok, it's on my todolist for tomorrow, i'll spread the word then23:03
* thiago_home is watching Dexter and sees that he's using a prototype for an N823:04
thiago_homeit's clearly the N8, but it says "C0"23:05
Chanihaha23:05
CosmoHillthiago_home: lol23:05
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thiago_homewe have several C0 in the office23:06
* Chani yawns23:06
nialayou mean that ?  :   main.cpp: In function ‘int main(int, char**)’: main.cpp:21:8: erreur: ‘class MaPage’ has no member named ‘show’ make: *** [main.o] Erreur 123:06
tripzerothiago_home, i thought you had an n9?23:06
CosmoHillthiago_home: can I have one? :)23:06
thiago_homeniala: that23:07
thiago_homeniala: it says that the class MaPage doesn't have a member called show()23:07
* Chani hopes ervin will be online tomorrow23:07
thiago_hometripzero: there's no such thing as an N9, you know it23:07
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tripzerosadly... :(23:07
thiago_homeall prototypes have "C0" stamped, so even I don't know what the actual commercial designation will be23:08
tripzeronokia didn't make any cool announcements at the conference?23:08
thiago_homeit announced that the announcement will be in 201123:09
tripzerolemme rephrase: did anyone make any cool announcements?23:09
tripzeroyay for reentrant announcements!23:10
thiago_homeyes, there was one cool announcement23:10
thiago_homefrom AMD23:10
tripzerowas AMD actually there?23:10
thiago_homeyes23:10
tripzerothat's kinda cool23:10
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tripzerowas nvidia there too?23:11
thiago_homeI had a nice chat with the AMD guy23:11
thiago_homeand we could catch up on a lot of things, since he's a friend too :-)23:11
tripzeronice23:11
tripzerois the the AMD linux guy?23:11
thiago_homechris schläger, formerly of SUSE (he was CEO, not sure)23:11
thiago_homeno nvidia around that I saw23:12
CosmoHillwho was it who asked about wayland eariler?23:12
thiago_homebut this is not about AMD graphics, it's about AMD processors23:12
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tripzerothiago_home, bummer.  hopefully their support would include both cpu and gpu23:12
thiago_homeyes23:13
tripzerobut if their gpu is in their cpu...23:13
CosmoHillyou support what you have, so hopefully they will support both23:13
tripzerohmm23:13
tripzerommm, wayland...23:14
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Chanimrr23:14
ChaniMek: so has the sprint already begun? how's it going over there?23:14
thiago_homewe'll have wayland23:14
CosmoHillnot to long ago nvidia said they won't be supporting wayland23:14
tripzeronvidia is really starting to fail in the linux area23:15
tripzerono kms23:15
tripzerono wayland23:15
MekChani: we didn't do much yet, just some getting set up and stuff like that; and then after dinner everybody went back to their hotel (and I think the hostel most people are in doesn't have free internet)23:15
tripzerothey are falling behind in a huge way23:15
eranii have high hopes for amd23:15
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thiago_homenvidia has nothing to do with wayland23:15
CosmoHillI thought it was a pit premature to say they won't support wayland23:15
thiago_homewayland can do EGL and NVidia has that23:15
CosmoHillbit*23:15
ChaniMek: ah, cool. good for people to get a proper night's sleep :)23:16
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tripzerothiago_home, what about the driver?23:16
thiago_hometripzero: they have EGL drivers23:16
tripzeroisn't nvidias driver X specific or does wayland support X drivers?23:16
* Chani spent the afternoon watching tv n'stuff. finally beginning to feel unzombified. 23:16
thiago_homeyes, it is23:16
thiago_homebut they have non-X versions23:16
thiago_homeI know because we have customers using NVidia chips without X23:17
thiago_homedirectfb on NVidia Tegra II23:17
tripzeroso they won't be doing a driver specific to wayland? is that what they mean by no support?23:17
tripzeroor is this a "here's our driver, you make it work" kinda thing?23:18
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thiago_homeneither23:18
thiago_homewe'll have to convince them to make a wayland driver23:18
thiago_homewhat I'm saying is that they have the pieces already23:18
tripzerothiago_home, btw, who are the qt-ivi guys?23:18
berndhsah well, i'm on the no-surf list, or meego.com is down23:18
thiago_homeEGL is already there23:19
Chanispeaking of drivers, anyone working on getting the lenovos in better shape yet: :)23:19
tripzerodefine "better shape"?23:19
tripzerogetting wifi working?23:19
thiago_hometripzero: should be our RWC people23:19
nialaI'll hang myself, I can not make a simple button that loads a url. need a pause and a new brain :/23:20
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Chanitripzero: having mouse buttons would be nice. and the corner of my screen that has the battery icon doesn't always work.23:20
tripzerohmmm23:20
Chanii hear there's someone working on a fix for the mousepad though23:20
tripzeroyeh, i use the TS and not the mousepad23:21
tripzerothe mousepad sux23:21
thiago_homeChani: it's been broken for months23:21
tripzerothe battery has been broken?23:21
Chanii can't get enough accuracy with the screen a lot23:21
Chanioh, and so far weird random things have happened when i cclose the lid.23:22
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tripzerorunning 1.1.80.x?23:22
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Chanieh?23:23
Chanione time it was closed for a minute, then spent about 5 minutes unresponsive as i tried everything short of yanking the battery - just after i tried sysrq keys it magically presented an unlock dialog.23:23
tripzerowhat are your running on it/23:23
tripzero?\23:23
Chanitripzero: whatever we got at the conf.23:24
tripzerowindows7?23:24
Chanino, meego23:24
* tripzero didn't go to the conf23:24
thiago_homeshould be 1.1.023:24
Chaniah23:24
tripzerohmm23:24
tripzerowonder why battery isn't working all the time...23:24
thiago_homeI have one of those lenovos and the battery isn't charging23:25
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Chanithe whole footballl game it was turned on in my backpack :/ it seems to have survived that just fine though23:25
DawnFosterthe lenovo systems are actually running the latest 1.2 trunk build, I think. instead of 1.123:25
Chanithiago_home: oh dear. i haven't tried to charge mine yet23:25
thiago_homeDawnFoster: oh, you're here23:25
thiago_homeDawnFoster: already home?23:25
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DawnFosterthiago_home: I wish!23:26
Chanianyways, gnight :)23:26
DawnFosterI'm in JFK23:26
tripzero1.2 trunk would make sense why there would be some breakage23:26
DawnFosteranyone here have admin / shell access to the meego webservers?23:26
DawnFosterI keep getting 502 bad gateway errors23:26
DawnFosterand everyone who can fix it is offline in Dublin23:26
DawnFosterprobably drinking a Guiness in a pub somewhere :)23:27
* thiago_home has had enough Guinness for a while23:28
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DawnFoster*is just looking forward to having time to sleep* :)23:29
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* niala mean maybe with a guiness qt his more easy :-/23:29
mikhasinterestingly enough, I dont feel like I had enough guiness - it really did taste better there than elsewhere23:29
thiago_homemikhas: I thought the same of the taste23:32
thiago_homeusually I can't drink more than one of it per night23:32
thiago_homethe usual, "it's a meal" thing, it feels heavy23:32
thiago_homedidn't happen this time23:32
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mikhasyup23:32
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tripzerothiago_home, is there an irc channel where the qml guys hang out?23:38
thiago_home#qt-qml and #qt-components23:38
tripzerow00t23:38
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nialaI am condemned to click install to the rest of my days. lol. I'll never make my program  shame on me :)23:42
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wazdI'm home!23:51
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CosmoHillyou're in hell?23:53
CosmoHillwhat did you do this time?23:53
timeless_n900... and i was paged to customer services23:53
timeless_n900they didn't include my luggage on my flight23:53
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thiago_homeCosmoHill: HEL, not hell23:56
CosmoHillthat was the joke23:56
tripzeroniala, you can make your application23:56
wazdtimeless_n900: heyhey :)23:56
tripzerojust be sure to look at the docs and the examples in there23:56
tripzeroyou can't mix and match QWidgets with MTF like you are doing currently23:57
tripzeroalso knowing c++ is going to help you a lot23:57
tripzeroie, how inheritance works, etc23:57
CosmoHillI was thinking of maybe doing some C++ lessons for newies23:57
* CosmoHill pokes w00t23:57
nialayou're right23:58
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