IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2010-11-14

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CosmoHillnate@blue[1001]:~ $ uptime00:30
CosmoHill 22:30:40 up 350 days, 0 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.0000:30
CosmoHill:D00:30
kyb3R:)00:31
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CosmoHillnow keep your port scanners to yourself00:32
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paulsenhello i am from germany00:40
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paulsenhave some test meego on the Pandaboard?00:40
dm8tbrI'm sorry to hear that.00:41
dm8tbrYes someone is trying that. I've seen mails on one of the meego-ml's00:41
paulsenok00:42
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paulsenmy idea is a touchscreen with the panderboard and Meego00:43
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dm8tbrI've seen videos of blaze running meego so it's entirely possible00:44
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paulsenhave you a link to the videos?00:45
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pupnikpaulsen: there are also Pixel QI displays that should work on pandaboard00:46
dm8tbrno, just look on youtube00:46
pupnikall you need to remove is that tower usb/ethernet header00:46
pupnikthen pack pandaboard and battery into a case.  hook up display00:46
paulsenok00:46
paulsenthanks00:46
pupniki think it's distinctly possible to build your own super-power tablet if you can create a fitting case00:47
pupnikbut costs are pretty significant00:47
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pupnikand pandaboard isn't optimized for low power consumption00:48
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CosmoHilli thought yuou disabled that01:28
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desumoyo_meegoSomeone play minecraft on meego 1.1 ?01:29
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gabrbeddAnybody know where TSCHAK is?01:32
TSCHAKsorry about that.01:32
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gabrbedd:-)01:33
CosmoHillhe's like my brother, he comes and goes and we have no idea where01:33
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Tiliapt sources for meego keep redircting me to http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/01:38
Tiliand apt-get does't like it.01:38
Tiligot any solution? I will try getting .deb and install myself with dpkg otherwise01:39
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gabrbeddTili: What does your apt line look like?01:46
Tiligabrbedd: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/01:47
Tiliif you check for Packages file there it redirects to mirrors3.kernel.org01:47
Tiliapt doesn't like redirects01:47
gabrbeddTili: So what happens wen you use the mirrors3.kernel.org host?01:48
gabrbeddTili: And... did you put it in the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/meego-tools.list ??01:48
gabrbeddTili: The ubuntu equivalent URL works fine for me (repo.meego.com)01:49
Tilithen sudo apt-cache policy madde fails with 500 i think01:50
TiliI placed the url in sources.list itself. not in separate file. i dont think that would matter01:50
gabrbeddTili: Can you copy/paste the while line to here?01:51
Tilianyway, i dont know what policy output shoule be01:51
Tiliwhile line?01:51
gabrbeddTili: where you added it in sources.list01:51
Tili#deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ /01:51
Tilideb http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ /01:51
Tiliwhat should be output of that policy command?01:52
Tiliit says madde not installed01:52
Tilii also wonder about gpg keys but i can ignore that for now01:52
gabrbeddapt-cache policy madde01:55
gabrbeddmadde:01:55
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gabrbedd  Installed: (none)01:55
gabrbedd  Candidate: 0.7.53-601:55
gabrbedd  Version table:01:55
gabrbedd    0.7.53-6 001:55
gabrbedd      500 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/  Packages01:55
gabrbedd[EOF]01:55
gabrbeddTo install madde, you have to do:01:56
gabrbedd# apt-get install madde01:56
Tiliok i can't get meego-sdk from kernel.org as it complaints about unmet dependency01:56
gabrbeddWhat dep?01:56
Tilimeego-sdk-ia3201:57
Tilii am using kernel.org repo01:57
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Tilii think someone has to fix the Packages file there in meego repo01:58
gabrbeddFirst, switch back to repo.meego.com01:59
gabrbeddThen # apt-get update01:59
gabrbeddThen # sudo apt-get install meego-sdk01:59
gabrbedd(doh... not 'sudo')01:59
gabrbeddBTW, the "500" in the policy command is the apt "score".02:01
gabrbeddIf another package with the same name has a higher score (like "800"), then it will be installed instead.02:01
Tiliamigo, I can't get apt-get update to work with repo.meego.com02:02
Tilibecause it redirectes Pacakges file to kernel.org02:02
Tiliand apt-get doesn't accept redirects. so it fails to get packages list02:02
Tilianyway,02:02
TiliI will go to bed and see if I can contact someone on meego to fix this if it is not fixed when i am back up02:03
Tilithanks for help02:03
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gabrbeddTili: sorry dude.  Odd that it works in Ubuntu but not Debian 5.02:05
Tiliyeah it is repo issue02:06
thiagopacking done02:09
thiagonow going to bed02:09
timeless_mbpthiago: do you have slides?02:09
thiagoyes02:09
timeless_mbpdid you brand them for the conf?02:10
thiagoI used the conf template02:10
timeless_mbpum, url?02:10
thiagohttp://conference2010.meego.com/program <-- left side02:10
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tybolltlooolooolooo02:12
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* timeless_mbp frowns02:13
thiagothings are at the last place you'd expect: the most obvious one02:13
thiagolike the Sign Up link02:13
timeless_mbpsorry, i would never have thought to look for a slides template under program02:14
timeless_mbpi'm not sure where i'd expect to find it02:14
timeless_mbpprobably under a 'presenters' link02:14
timeless_mbpn.b. I don't make slides often02:14
* timeless_mbp wonders how to extract an image from a slide02:15
thiagoCtrl+C02:15
thiagoanyway, bed time02:16
thiagoI *think* I packed everything I need02:16
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timeless_mbpheh02:17
timeless_mbpmy checklist now has toiletries + shaver highlighted02:17
timeless_mbp(right after passport)02:17
thiagohaven't decided if I'll take the shaver02:17
thiagotoiletries are packed (I have a second kit for travelling)02:18
Alison_ChaikenSorry to interrupt toiletries, but MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/13/repodata/repomd.xml.key: import failed.   Anyone else having trouble getting 1.1 SDK?02:18
thiagolet's see if I won't forget the PJs this time...02:19
timeless_mbpheh02:19
berndhsthiago:just buy everything new at the other end02:19
timeless_mbpAlison_Chaiken: can't that wait a whole week? :)02:19
Alison_ChaikenI bought floss since mine turned out to have only 2 cm left.    timeless_mbp, it couldn't wait another week.02:19
thiagoanyway, g'night02:20
CosmoHillbye thiago02:22
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Peijoonishould I have Meego on my eeePC, is the new version of Meego downloadable via packet updating tool?02:23
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CosmoHillyou can't upgrade from meego 1.0 to 1.102:25
CosmoHillalso is your eeePC an Atom processor or celeron?02:25
PeijooniAtom02:26
CosmoHillgood02:26
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gabrbeddTili: I have a Debian/Lenny box at the house and gave it a try...02:27
gabrbeddTili: And I think I got the same results --02:27
gabrbeddTili: Failed to fetch http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/Packages  302 Found02:28
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Alison_ChaikenI see the problem: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/13/repodata/repomd.xml is actually the key, not an xml file.   So that repo is broken.   What is the proper procedure to report?   (I know, RTFM.)02:29
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Tiligabrbedd: thanks. we need to report this to get it fixed02:45
timeless_mbpAlison_Chaiken: file a bug in bugs.meego.com02:45
Alison_Chaikentimeless_mbp, I just sent a message to meego-sdk mailing list.    Should I file a bug as well, or is duplication bad etiquette?02:49
CosmoHillduplications tend to get deleted02:50
CosmoHillbetter to find the orginal and go +102:51
CosmoHillactually some people might not like that02:52
Alison_ChaikenThanks for your suggestions, CosmoHill.    In the future, bugs@meego is better than meego-sdk?02:52
Alison_Chaiken(Oops, bugs.meego I mean.)02:53
CosmoHillerm I would think so02:53
Alison_ChaikenVery good.    I'd like to do the right thing, but there's no suggestion on the SDK page itself beyond mentioning the mailing list.02:53
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smithnaHas anyone noticed problems with wifi since 1.1?03:15
CosmoHillcyas03:15
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timeless_mbpanyone want to watch me create slides? :)03:27
GAN900See everybody in Dublin.03:32
pupnik_good travels GAN90003:32
pupnik_please share things with us in chat03:33
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GAN900pupnik_, will do.03:33
timeless_mbpsafe travels03:33
timeless_mbppupnik_: you could watch me make slides now :)03:34
pupnik_you have streaming setup on your computer for use when you deliver the lecture?03:35
TermanaDesireAnyone around that's going to the ARM BoF?03:37
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timeless_mbppupnik_: dunno03:42
timeless_mbpi'm talking about letting people watch me as i *create* my slides *now* :)03:42
timeless_mbpwe've been told that all presentations will be recorded (a/v)03:42
TermanaDesireSome are being live streamed as well03:43
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timeless_mbpi don't think there'd be value in live streaming mine03:45
timeless_mbpi'm not saying i'd object03:45
timeless_mbpjust that i don't see value in it03:45
* timeless_mbp isn't that good of a speaker03:45
timeless_mbpinteresting03:45
timeless_mbpmy slides drifted "up"03:45
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wazdHeya people :)06:48
TermanaDesireHey wazd06:50
wazdPassing passport control on my way to Dublin :)06:51
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TermanaDesirewazd: good luck Osama06:55
TermanaDesire;p06:55
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odin_ah no... the feds have nabbed him06:59
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Stskeepszzz08:31
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Stskeepsmm, sounds good08:36
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Termanamorning Stskeeps and lcukn90008:48
Stskeepsmorn08:50
thiagoStskeeps: already in Dublin?08:59
Stskeepsthiago: in hrm, 8 horus or so09:00
Stskeepshours09:00
thiagoah09:00
Stskeepslanding 2pm dublin time09:00
thiagothat's not 8 hours09:01
thiagothat's 709:01
* thiago will be there in 5½09:01
thiagonow time for a quick shower09:03
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Stskeepsthen again, i didn't have my coffee yet, so math isn't my strongest side ;)09:05
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vilvooff-by-one, be careful with those09:06
Stskeepshence why i always have coffee before any coding work ;)09:07
vilvo:)09:07
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akoimeexxJesus, I completely forgot I was still logged in.09:16
Termanaakoimeexx, you've been making international internet connections for this period of time - that's going to cost you heaps!09:22
Termana:P ;)09:22
* timeless_mbp should figure out when flight is09:24
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akoimeexxTermana: Greeeeaaat. I'm going to love that bill. :p09:30
akoimeexxNews like that deserves a drink. ;)09:30
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timophhmmh. I might have put incorrect time of arrival to the wiki09:35
timophI put there 6pm but I think that's only correct if you're on .fi time09:35
timeless_mbpheh09:37
TermanaTimezones messing everyone up :P09:37
timophgood the start looking into your flight details when you're on your way to the airport :)09:38
timophs/the/to/09:38
infobottimoph meant: good to start looking into your flight details when you're on your way to the airport :)09:38
* timeless_mbp tries and fails to find a picture of the nokia n81 w/ its web browser open09:40
timeless_mbp(a picture showing the phone, not just the screen, and the nokia "open" browser, not skyfire [a working browser]...)09:41
timeless_mbpthe closest i got was http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8N1Mwu4Gm3U/R-P7WJ8Dv-I/AAAAAAAAAg8/fnYMtUOuP6U/s400/NokiaN784.PNG09:41
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timeless_mbpwell, there's http://realgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/n81/nokia-n81-browsing.jpg ... but that's cropped :(09:43
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* thiago downloads the 1.1 netbook image09:48
thiago1.9 MB/s09:49
thiago2.2 :-)09:49
akoimeexxI'm just now writing 1.1 w/Chrome to USB. :p09:50
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thiagochrome can save it to USB?09:53
theplichow do i install the kde plasma netbook interface on meego?09:55
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thiagohave we (KDE) created pre-built packages?09:56
thiagoif yes, then follow the instructions to add the repostories and install09:58
thiagoif not, then you'll need to compile09:58
* thiago is now ready to leave to go to the airport09:58
akoimeexxthiago: No, there's a chrome-based package for the default browser.09:59
thiagoakoimeexx: ah, sorry09:59
thiago"w/ Chrome" was a qualifier of "1.1"09:59
thiagonot a method of writing09:59
akoimeexxNo worries. Unetbootin handily writes it to USB.10:00
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thiagodamn ambiguous language, we should bring back the case system10:00
thiagodative vs instrumental10:00
thiagosigning off10:01
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akoimeexxBack in a bit. Standard netbook reports not enough memory to boot the MeeGo image. Which is funny, since I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 full install with a standard desktop environment on it.10:05
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timeless_mbpnetbooks take more memory, it's in the documentation, on page 127910:09
timeless_mbp:)10:09
theplici wasnt able to get the ubuntu netbook remix on mine10:13
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panu2Hello everybody this is my first time in this is room10:16
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akoimeexxWell, that was an epic fail. It finally loaded into the MeeGo boot list, and then couldn't mount the disk to finish the bootup. Just stuck me in init 1.10:18
akoimeexxI don't get it, where did it go wrong from Moblin?10:18
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timeless_mbpakoimeexx: that's a bad attitude you've got there10:31
timeless_mbpand given that today is a travel day, you're unlikely to find people in a wonderful mood to deal w/ bad attitudes10:32
timeless_mbpmany of us will have to deal w/ TSA/international equivalents, C&BP/equivalents, Airlines uninterested in actually serving us, etc.10:32
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akoimeexxNot looking for help as yet. Just reporting results. Had no problem with Moblin, under the same environment. I'm poking around at MeeGo right now to try and figure out why it failed like that.10:35
timeless_mbpakoimeexx: using "where did it go wrong" is something you should only ask yourself privately, or if you feel like pissing off your employees, you could ask those you employ10:35
timeless_mbpbut it's a terrible approach if you're a manager too10:35
timeless_mbpyou can do it, since you control the purse-strings, but only stupid managers ask that question (Sadly those exist in spades)10:35
akoimeexxtimeless_mbp: You're taking it as I think it's something specific to MeeGo. I don't.10:36
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timeless_mbpnote that in #meego and similar settings, you are not in such a position10:36
timeless_mbpakoimeexx: nope10:36
timeless_mbpi'd bite your head off just as much if you talked about Maemo 5 in #maemo or Firefox in #firefox10:36
timeless_mbpit10:36
timeless_mbpit's a bad attitude10:36
akoimeexxSounds like you're just in a crabby mood then, or is that normal?10:36
timeless_mbpif you want to ask yourself such a question, you need to say it silently, not to the world (irc)10:37
timeless_mbpand then you need to pull out a dev chain, and bisect the problem until you find out where it went wrong10:37
timeless_mbpI don't like being abused, nor do i approve of people abusing other people10:37
timeless_mbpif I want to be abused, I'd go to work10:37
timeless_mbp(my coworkers are currently at work being abused)10:37
akoimeexxSounds like I'm not the one with the bad attitude man. I'm not abusing you, and it really seems like you're just trolling for an argument.10:37
timeless_mbp(on a Sunday)10:38
akoimeexxAnd that's just not fair, working on a Sunday.10:38
timeless_mbpindeed, it isn't, but managers are not fair10:38
timeless_mbpthe point is that #meego has developers who work on the product10:38
akoimeexxIf you took my previous statement as me copping an attitude, I'm sorry for that.10:38
timeless_mbpit isn't quite an attitude, it's a lack of respect for a team who worked hard on a product10:39
timeless_mbp(and is still working on it)10:39
timeless_mbpIt's like someone asking a Parent where they went wrong in raising a child10:39
akoimeexxI think you took the statement way out of context then. I'm referring to the install on my flash drive. :p10:40
timeless_mbp[10:18am] <akoimeexx> I don't get it, where did it go wrong from Moblin?10:40
akoimeexxYeah10:40
akoimeexxI had Moblin on it prior to that.10:41
timeless_mbpthe sentence unfortunately stands by itself10:41
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timeless_mbpi was aware of your context10:41
timeless_mbpbut it doesn't matter10:41
akoimeexxAnd with Moblin having connectivity issues on the system, I came to #moblin and found #MeeGo. Long chain of events.10:41
timeless_mbpBasically the question you should ask here is "How do I find out what went wrong"10:41
timeless_mbpAsking "where" makes it sound like the MeeGo project screwed something up while building the next version of MeeGo10:42
timeless_mbpinstead of saying "Hey, I realize something didn't work out correctly on my system, I'd like to understand the technical fault so I could perhaps fix it"10:42
akoimeexxI assume you're one of the guys who works on it.10:43
timeless_mbpin some way, yes10:43
timeless_mbpbut I work with many of them10:43
timeless_mbpand10:43
timeless_mbpI care more about them than about myself10:43
akoimeexxSo you're speaking on their behalf, or what?10:43
timeless_mbp(and my irc client seems to feel like inserting <enter> randomly)10:43
timeless_mbpI'm asking you to be more careful to try to avoid hurting people's feelings (e.g. them)10:44
timeless_mbpI don't claim to speak for them, that'd be overstepping :)10:44
timeless_mbpDid my quick analogy to the Parent/Child make sense?10:45
timeless_mbp(I have to pack and catch a flight)10:45
* timoph is bored at helsinki-vantaa airport10:47
akoimeexxI think you're still taking it closer to heart than need be, but I'm not about to argue with you on context and the like. Fact of the matter is you're worried it might offend people contributing to the project by demoralizing them. I'll keep that in mind from now on, but I still think you went overboard there. And there was no asking from your end.10:47
akoimeexxWhere you flying to?10:47
theplicwhat happened?10:48
timophdublin via copenhagen10:48
timophI'm here too early..10:48
timeless_mbpakoimeexx: most of us are headed to Dublin...10:48
akoimeexxAh. I gathered something was going on.10:49
timeless_mbphttp://conference2010.meego.com10:49
timeless_mbpsomeone could put that in the topic...10:49
timeless_mbpkinda unfortunate that it isn't10:49
timophyep. that little thing :)10:49
* timeless_mbp wonders how to get flight info10:50
akoimeexxHadn't heard of it til now.... Nor MeeGo until I logged into #moblin and saw the updated channel.10:50
timeless_mbpoh fsck10:50
timoph:)10:50
timeless_mbpi'm going to miss my flight10:50
timeless_mbpit's @12:15pm, and it's 10:50am10:50
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akoimeexxHow far do you have to go to catch it?10:51
* akoimeexx kills the last bit of Baileys.10:51
timeless_mbp40mins10:51
timeless_mbpwhere timoph is10:51
timeless_mbptimoph: got the number for finnish taxi? (helsinki)10:51
timophnot at hand10:51
timophconnected with my n90010:52
akoimeexxGoogling.10:52
akoimeexx050 326 737310:53
akoimeexxTaxi Pekka Lankinen Espoo.10:53
timoph0100 777710:53
akoimeexxGranted, I don't speak finish.10:53
akoimeexxfinnish*10:54
akoimeexxBlah.10:54
akoimeexxIt's early here. >.o10:54
timeless_mbpdon't worry about that10:55
timophthat number should connect you to the closest available taxi10:55
timeless_mbpyeah, it does10:55
JaffaMorning, all10:56
akoimeexxMorning.10:56
timophmorning10:56
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timophgood thing I remembered that my flight leaves 1h earlier not the other way round :)10:58
timophbut not I have to kill 2h here.. and another 3h at copenhagen10:58
akoimeexxLayovers, Ick.10:58
timophs/not/now/10:59
infobottimoph meant: but now I have to kill 2h here.. and another 3h at copenhagen10:59
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timeless_xchatok, 59 mins to flight, hopefully around 20-25mins from HEL11:16
timeless_xchatis the person who was waiting @hel still going to be there @12pm?11:17
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timeless_n900he didn't seem to be in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information11:22
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* thiago_osl arrived too early in the airport11:24
thiago_oslcould've slept another 20 minutes in the morning11:25
timeless_n900thiago : good for you11:25
* timeless_n900 is late for another flight 11:25
* timeless_n900 is bad w/ time 11:25
thiago_osltimeless_n900: where are you now?11:26
timeless_n900are you direct? (closed flight list)11:26
timeless_n900cab 4mins from HEL11:26
timeless_n900flight @12.1511:26
timeless_n900i should be fine11:26
timeless_n900but it's still stupid :(11:27
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timeless_n900ok, offline until past security (juggling stuff). back in 20-30. safe journey all11:27
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thiago_oslyes, direct OSL-DUB11:30
thiago_oslhe's left11:30
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thiago_oslI think my wireless card is dying11:32
akoimeexxNot good.11:32
akoimeexxWhat gives you that impression?11:32
thiago_oslNov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Microcode SW error detected.  Restarting 0x2000000.11:33
thiago_oslNov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Start IWL Error Log Dump:11:34
thiago_oslNov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Status: 0x000213E4, count: 511:34
akoimeexxIck.11:34
* thiago_osl still has 2 months in his 3-year next-day warranty11:34
thiago_oslbetter replace most of the partsnow11:34
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akoimeexxCan you get it replaced when you get back, citing those errors?11:35
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thiago_oslyes11:36
thiago_oslit's been doing that for two weeks now11:36
thiago_oslsince the US trip11:36
thiago_oslbut it doesn't happen at home11:36
akoimeexxWas there a kernel update?11:37
thiago_oslhmmmm... yes11:37
thiago_oslI rebooted the machine in the US11:37
thiago_oslwhy did I do that....11:37
thiago_oslit's usually because it fails to suspend and locks up, but I'm not sure11:37
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akoimeexxAt least from googling, it looks like a kernel bug of sorts.11:38
thiago_oslhmm... the first error is logged on Oct 2011:39
thiago_oslwhere was I then?11:39
akoimeexxSOme sites report a fix from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1142917 but I'm still looking to see what that was at the moment.11:39
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akoimeexxWhat kernel are you running?11:39
akoimeexxRather, what version11:39
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thiago_osl2.6.35.611:40
thiago_oslinteresting, this error appears to happen only when openvpn is running11:40
thiago_osllet's shut the VPN down and see what happens11:41
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akoimeexxCould try a microcode update: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=downloads11:41
thiago_oslnope, error now after openvpn is down11:42
thiago_osllet's try the microcode11:42
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akoimeexxBe warned, you're stepping far beyond my realm of knowledge. All I can offer is another set of eyes to analyze. :p11:42
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akoimeexxWelcome back Timeless.11:42
timeless_n900well, checked in :), in line for security. boarding time is 2mins ago11:42
timeless_n900thanks :)11:43
akoimeexxGoing to make it?11:43
thiago_oslalready got the latest firmware11:43
timeless_n900yeah, flight is 30mins from now11:43
akoimeexxthiago_osl: Dang. :/11:43
akoimeexxAwesome.11:43
timeless_n900i'll have time for water and such11:43
timeless_n900the slow motion security videos here are...11:44
timeless_n900sureal?11:44
timophtimeless_n900: :)11:44
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akoimeexxSlow motion security videos?11:44
timeless_n900timoph: still @hel?11:44
timophshows how to strip your belt, etc11:44
timophtimeless_n900: yep11:44
akoimeexxOh11:44
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timophmy boaring begins @ 12:2511:45
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timeless_n900timoph, i'm two turns of the snake from security @t211:45
timophI'm @ t111:45
timeless_n900you'd have time to walk to t2 if you like11:45
akoimeexxWell, I'm off for the morning. It's almost 5am. x.x Have a good flight guys, and a great time at the conference.11:46
timeless_n900they're connected on the secure side11:46
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timophah11:47
timophI'll pack my things and take a walk11:47
josumorning11:47
timeless_n900ok11:47
* thiago_osl will try upgrading the kernel11:48
timeless_n900thiago, adventurous of you :)11:48
timeless_n900did you bring a spare laptop?11:48
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thiago_oslno11:48
thiago_oslbut I don't erase older kernels11:49
* thiago_osl checks for free space in /boot11:49
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thiago_oslit's weird that the errors only happen when I'm travelling11:50
thiago_oslbut there's a huge correlation between my travelling and my not using of my home wifi...11:50
thiago_oslabout 100% correlation11:50
timophtimeless_n900: what gate are you running to?11:51
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timoph30 to paris?11:52
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thiago_oslwireless isn't very fast11:54
timeless_n900yes11:54
timeless_n900just passed through security11:55
thiago_oslalso doesn't help that the microcode keeps crashing and slowing down the transfer11:55
timeless_n900timoph: gate ping11:55
thiago_osl50 minutes to go on the update, not gonna happen here11:55
timeless_n900thiago, nice11:55
* timeless_n900 heads towards the gate11:55
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timophtimeless_n900: I,m next to 2711:56
timeless_n900ok11:56
* thiago_osl is next to 5711:56
thiago_oslbut in a different airport...11:56
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thiago_oslflight is boarding11:56
timeless_n900ok, we met11:56
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timeless_n900flight is boarding here too11:57
timoph2 second meet :)11:57
timeless_n900thankfully this isn't outside shengen11:58
timophyep11:58
Termanatimeless_n900, timoph - have a safe flight11:58
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timeless_n900thanks12:00
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timeless_n900@plane entrance, there's a queue :)12:00
timeless_n900yay for hanging space.12:00
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timeless_n900joy, there's a 2mo old baby two seats over12:03
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timeless_n900hey, timoph?12:05
timeless_n900can you go into the stockman's shop and pick up two boxes of the green jelly spheres?12:05
timeless_n900they're at the back near the chocolate candies :)12:06
Bostik"fazerin kuulat"12:06
timeless_n900yeah, those12:07
timeless_n900i'll reimburse @meego conference12:07
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Myrttiewwwwwwww green goo of horror12:08
Myrttias a kid I used to lick the sugar off, halve them and stick them on a window12:08
timeless_n900it's my traditional "have a taste of finland"12:08
timeless_n900the alternative would be salmiyaki (sp)12:08
Myrttitimeless_n900: why not just smack them with a pesäpallo bät12:08
timeless_n900which i consider cruel12:08
Myrttibat, even12:08
Bostika friend had a tour of Finland a couple of years ago, and went back with a huge stash of salmiakki :)12:09
Stskeepsmm salmiakki12:09
MyrttiI'd rather give foreign friends some Fazer chocolates, some of those fancypancy ones with Finnish berry fillings12:09
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Myrttigreen goo of horror is too cruel12:10
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timeless_n900myrtti, i do that for friends12:10
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timeless_n900but in a hurry, chocolate doesn't quite survive and it doesn't scale12:11
timeless_n900the balls work well for large groups12:11
* timeless_n900 gives up on pesäpallo12:11
timeless_n900wiffle ball?12:11
MyrttiFinnish baseball12:11
timeless_n900bah12:12
Bostikhow about a good compromise?  http://www.flickr.com/photos/anttia/691757579/12:12
Bostikthat's delicious12:12
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timeless_n900no!12:12
timeless_n900but feel free to bring your own12:13
Jaffare12:13
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timeless_n900i'll only reimburse for the green things12:13
timeless_n900jaffa: geoping12:13
timeless_n9002mins to flight12:13
timeless_n900if someone is going to buy, please indicate to channel so i don't end up reimbursing n times12:14
timeless_n900phones off12:14
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timeless_n900i'll touch down and charge @cdg in a few hours12:14
timeless_n900oh, and i don't know my hotel info12:14
Jaffatimeless_n900: Dublin. Ballbridge ballroom for "Introduction to Qt"12:14
* Myrtti smacks the Linux Spotify client with a baseball bat12:14
timeless_n900... can someone investigate pay-as-you-go sims12:14
timeless_n900bye12:15
Jaffatimeless_n900: Someone did. O2, IIRC12:15
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tekojotimeless_n900: available from the airport12:15
tekojosasha had some problem with data on the pay as you go12:15
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Termanalooks like we're about to go dead for the night again with everyone boarding planes :p12:21
TermanaJust turn your N900s on in the plane - no one will know! :P12:21
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lcuktheres a group of us at the airport now sat on the bus12:30
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Stskeepsboarding, bbl12:33
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theplichave fun12:37
mergeplease record some sessions is Dublin for us to watch :)12:40
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Jaffamerge: They're going to be streamed live and videos provided.12:42
mergeoh nice, I missed that12:43
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Myrttiboring people in Dublin :-<14:49
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sivangis there a channel for the conf?15:08
CosmoHillno but there are some nice sofas15:09
odinmyay at  dublin airport on way into town15:11
MyrttiRST38h: thanks, I'll munch that and sulk at home15:11
odinmnice bright OVI store  6 poster advert plastered all over airport15:12
odinmis the meetup point Ballsbridge Inn which I guess is Landsdown Rd area?15:16
sivangodinm: I just wish there was some place to get those preparid 3D data sim cards15:20
sivang3G data , even15:20
sivang:)15:20
sivang3D would be too much15:20
sivangMyrtti: the hotel room is really nice, and has a useful heating AC15:21
sivangMyrtti: :)15:21
* sivang broke down and turned it on15:21
sivangthe cld is here something different15:21
sivangah, so it si 4c , I stood up until it fell to 4c, not bad I guess15:21
sivangI also forgt to bring any warm clothing15:22
sivangwell, not forgot, I have some very light ones. guess it'll suffice for no lower than 0c15:23
odinmdrink beer to keep warm :p15:23
sivangodinm: I will :)15:24
odinmoooo going into a tunnel now ......ASD^....n15:25
odinmNO CARRIER15:25
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odinmis the meetup point Ballsbridge Inn anyone have GPS ref :)16:18
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CosmoHillhey tekojo16:19
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CosmoHillare you in dublin?16:19
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tekojo_sorry, exceeding flaky hotel wlan :)16:21
odinmyep at hotel grand canal area i hope there is plentiful interweb access there?16:21
tekojo_CosmoHill: sure, in a meeting room with all the other IT people16:21
sivangtekojo_: wlan is SOO flaky16:21
CosmoHillI think odinm would like to know where that is16:21
odinmpass the GPS dox :)16:22
tekojo_D4 Berkeley hotel16:22
* odinm walk in the direction of the stadium16:22
tekojo_odinm: where are you?16:23
tekojo_early birds event is at D4 Ballsbridge, that is pretty easy to find16:23
odinmyep at hotel grand canal area ~500m away apparently but need to walk in the right rdirection16:23
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npmwhere are the recorded or live streams for the dublin conference??16:24
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tekojonpm: nowhere yet, they'll come once the actual conference starts16:24
tekojofollow the schedule at the conference site for the links16:24
npmi was looking for the link from the conf site16:25
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npmdoh http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule (didn't see the links)16:26
CosmoHillhow many of you are giving presentations tomorrow?16:28
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CosmoHilloh god I wish I didn't just look up how much my presentation is worth16:29
npmso if i miss a presentation because it's happening at 3AM california time, will there be links to recorded sessions after the fact?16:29
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Stskeepsanyone seen wazd?16:41
tekojonpm: yes16:41
tekojoStskeeps: not on irc for obvious reasons16:41
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NooBmonk3yCosmoHill, is worth?16:42
CosmoHillIt's a big part of my grade16:43
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NooBmonk3yoh lol16:46
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NooBmonk3ygood luck!16:46
CosmoHillmerci16:46
sjokkisanyone know who to talk to about those conference welcome packages?16:47
sjokkisthere was one for my roommate when i checked in, but not for me16:47
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sjokkisspeak of the devil16:48
sjokkisDawnFoster:16:48
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Stskeepsif wazd comes by, we went with aircoach oach16:48
sjokkis[15:47] < sjokkis> anyone know who to talk to about those conference welcome packages?16:48
sjokkis[15:47] < sjokkis> there was one for my roommate when i checked in, but not for me16:48
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* Myrtti goes to bed to sulk16:49
CosmoHillaww16:49
CosmoHillsup?16:49
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tekojoStskeeps: wazd will be here around 4-5 pm, he's apparently stuck at an airport17:01
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odinmin the Bob Spencer run early bird room yay17:01
* NooBmonk3y wants to be there :(17:01
v_zaitsevme too17:01
v_zaitsevmeaning i am heere17:02
NooBmonk3ylol17:03
CosmoHillI'm nextdoor...in England17:04
* NooBmonk3y is in england too :)17:06
NooBmonk3ysouth coast :)17:06
NooBmonk3yso a bit of a run to get to dublin, with a small swim in between :P17:06
CosmoHillfor me it would be a replacement bus service and a scary plane trip17:08
NooBmonk3yhehehe17:09
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odinmrow row row you boat ...17:16
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tsdgeosdoes anyone know if we have a special channel for meego-conference discussion?17:22
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odinmdont think so17:26
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CosmoHillDawnFoster: is there a specific IRC channel for the dublin conference?17:43
DawnFosterCosmoHill: we're just using this one for the conference17:44
CosmoHillawesome17:44
* CosmoHill goes to stock up on imaginary tea and biscuits17:44
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CosmoHilldammit, why can I only work / focus well when there isn't much time until the deadline17:48
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odinmHmmm but.... there is real beer to be had :P17:49
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odinmthere is also streaming of the main room schedule (according to the infos)17:53
CosmoHillwill the recordings be aviable later? for those of us asleep or at work?17:53
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tekojoCosmoHill: yes, I recall someone saying so17:55
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CosmoHillDawnFoster: are you in dublin atm?17:59
DawnFosterCosmoHill: I am! I got here yesterday morning17:59
CosmoHillthat might explain why you keep joining and disconnecting :p18:00
v_zaitsevhaha indeed, crapwlan18:01
CosmoHilldid anyone get a 3G connection?18:01
DawnFosterCosmoHill: actually, I keep shutting down & switching rooms :)18:01
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osx5hello18:11
osx5I was wondering how do you update yum in order to download irssi, elinks, all that fun stuff. or is there another way to get them18:11
CosmoHillyum update?18:12
CosmoHillif you're on Meego you should use "zypper" instead of "yum"18:12
osx5didn't work18:12
osx5cosmohill: i have no idea how to use zypper18:13
osx5is it easy18:13
CosmoHillzypper update18:13
osx5k18:13
RST38hzypper --help ?18:13
osx5RST38h:  i'm a newb18:13
CosmoHillman zypper18:13
RST38hYou cannot type dashes?18:13
berndhsosx5:zypper is a lot like yum18:13
osx5i think meego is great so far18:13
CosmoHillI'm guessing you're a mac user and that you've not used terminal very much18:13
osx5cool how you can switch the windows with alt tab18:14
osx5cosmohill: I know the basics because of the mac os18:14
osx5sparked my interest in linux18:14
osx5my only issue on meego is getting WPA to work, that's been it18:14
CosmoHillman <command> is very helpful, it gives you the manual page for whatever command you want, just press "q" to quit18:14
osx5k18:14
CosmoHillalso <command> -- help18:15
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osx5what is zypper basedo n?18:15
CosmoHills/-- /--/18:15
infobotCosmoHill meant: also <command> --help18:15
osx5I know yum is redhat18:15
CosmoHillI don't think it's based on anything18:15
osx5do any of you have issues with WPA on wifi? i dunno if my router just doesn't like meego or it is a bug18:15
CosmoHillit's just an alternative package management system for RPM packages18:16
osx5I'm plugged in right now18:16
osx5ah18:16
* tekojo now goes off to find the community In Real Life18:16
CosmoHilltekojo: take pictures!18:16
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tekojo... and post to Twitter, yes18:16
osx5hm odd18:16
osx5zypper can't install irssi, says not found18:17
osx5yum same deal18:17
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CosmoHillhold on a second, I'll check something18:17
osx5k18:17
CosmoHillyou're on a netbook right?18:18
osx5ye18:18
osx5yep18:18
osx5toshiba nb25518:18
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CosmoHillokay there is no irssi package18:19
osx5so i gotta compile it then?18:19
osx5what about elinks?18:19
CosmoHillyes, I think there is an IRC client on there somewhere18:19
osx5same deal?18:19
osx5k18:19
CosmoHillno elinks either. both are command line programs18:19
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CosmoHillcommand line programs are normally for power users which MeeGo isn't aimed at18:20
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CosmoHillcommand line programs are normally for power users which MeeGo isn't aimed at18:20
osx5blah back18:20
CosmoHillyou might also like the "zypper search" command18:21
osx5cosmohill: yeah but it should at least give you the option to install them18:21
osx5it is linux after all18:21
osx5:)18:21
CosmoHillit doesn't have to be in a package for you to install it18:21
osx5eh just makes life easier18:21
CosmoHillhehe, you want to make life easier by installing command line programs :p18:22
osx5lol18:22
osx5yeah18:22
osx5well the thing I noticed about meego is that they don't let you switch WM easily18:22
osx5I installed the xfce packages, but no go?18:22
npmosx5: you could install irssi from fedora13 using "meegolem" http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-community@meego.com/msg01758.html18:23
npm^^^ (a hack, and i haven't tried it out w/ meego 1.1 yet)18:23
osx5k18:23
osx5i'll give it a look18:23
CosmoHillI wasn't even aware that you can use XFCE on MeeGo18:24
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osx5there are packages in the gui package manager18:24
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osx5cosmohill: I'm a bit surprised they didn't at least have some of these packages in the package manager to begin with, considering how large the two companies are supporting the project18:30
osx5but I guess most users won't really care18:30
* npm how did a hack turn into a "project" -- http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12233_Linux_Foundation_rules_against.php -- "The MeeGolem project which is an interpretation of the MeeGo user experience built upon the Fedora Linux distribution."18:32
osx5taht is pretty cool18:33
RST38hPeople made projects of much less substance. And this one is at least useful.18:34
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npmbut a "project" implies someone is working on it :-) .. i just wanted some programs on meego w/o compiling a million libraries18:36
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osx5yeah18:38
osx5thats going to be a flaw with this distro18:38
osx5they have to expect that power users will want to try it out at lest18:38
osx5least*18:38
osx5npm: your nick looks familiar, are you in a lot of linux channels?18:38
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CosmoHillRST38h: was power users 1 or 2 in your list?18:44
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osx5npm: you around?18:46
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CosmoHillNov 11 17:50:26 <RST38h>        ShadowJK: like 1) linux core hackers 2) application developers 3) maemo/meego power users with linux experience18:48
CosmoHill4) smartphone powerusers (generally with android/symbian/ios experience) and 5) complete newbees18:48
CosmoHillhmm, not sure where you would go osx5 on that18:48
osx5between 3&418:49
osx5symbian is dead basically from what I have read18:49
osx5which is a shame18:49
CosmoHillI think I would be an inexperienced number 118:49
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CosmoHillor maybe 3, but only the core stuff18:50
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RST38hCosmo: I think there were18:50
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odinmlinky?  re symbian is dead18:51
osx5odinm: just google symbian is dead or meego will replace symbian18:51
osx5you'll find plenty18:51
osx5noki claims they will keep developing symbian but most people believe meego is the future18:51
RST38hafaik nobody is replacing symbian so far18:52
osx5are there a lot of apps for that platform? never used it18:52
odinmwell there is dead and there is dying18:52
RST38hthere is also undead, odinm18:52
osx5thinking about going with straight talk, they only offer symbian 9.3 phones  for smartphonesw18:52
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osx5I have an android phone but i hate paying $70 a month for it18:53
ShadowJK"Symbian 9.3" is a silly version number. don't look at that18:53
osx5k18:53
odinmif you google for almost  anything can find it, so you mclaim is somewhat worthless since we can evaulate authenticity18:53
ShadowJKYou want to look for "Symbian^3" or "Series 60 3rd edition feature pack 2"18:54
ShadowJKor fifth edition for touchscreen devices18:54
odinmhey Symbian^4.1 is a silly name for it18:54
osx5odinm: it is mostly opinion, but people think meego will replace it18:54
ShadowJKin the high-end maybe18:54
odinmwell of course especially in here !18:55
osx5lol18:55
ShadowJKlike the 500-1000 dollar18:55
ShadowJKrange18:55
osx5i mean in smartphone forums/ blogs /articles18:55
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odinmgo to #wp7 and ask them if win phone 7 is the future18:55
osx5LOL18:55
ShadowJKBut will probably stay in 150-600 range for awhile18:55
osx5odinm: i'm not trashing symbian, i'm thinking about buying a device with it, the 679018:55
pexie72 is great18:56
osx5I don't want to join another platform that is dying though like the pre18:56
RST38hosx5: Obligatory question #1: Are you an Apple products user?18:56
NooBmonk3ylol18:56
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odinmno but i dont think it is dead, just dying, and yes meego is the future and will ultimately replace it but it looks like18:56
osx5RST38h: yes but I got rid of my iphone a while ago, and I don't use OSX anymore on a regular basis18:57
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odinmthere is another few years of work todo yet18:57
osx5I know what he is trying to say by asking me that lol18:57
RST38hosx5: Ok, good18:57
RST38hosx5: So, 6790 is a bad choice of a phone18:57
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osx5RST38h: that and the E71 are what straight talk offer18:57
RST38hosx5: Two majorproblems: 1) screen too small,320x240 2) no Wifi18:57
osx5I'm on sprint right now18:57
ShadowJKa programmers view of symbian: stoneage tools, stoneage compiler, very strange API, and not even a proper working standard C lib18:57
RST38hosx5: Go with the E71, it is a nice little phone18:57
osx5k18:57
osx5RST38h: If I had AT&T i'd get the E7218:58
osx5but they rip people off on their data plans imo18:58
RST38hShadowJK: Oh, looks like you have missed the latest crop of aticles from Symbian devs18:58
RST38hosx5: E71,definitely18:58
osx5k18:58
RST38hosx5: If they offer any S60e5 phones, go with the 580018:58
osx5they don't yet18:58
osx5they just introduced smart phones with the e71 and 679018:58
ShadowJKRST38h, well whatever they say about QT and whatever, it doesn't apply to 6790 and E7x, because those will never be updated with it18:58
osx5for $45 a month unlimited, its a pretty good deal18:59
osx5runs on verizon18:59
RST38hShadowJK: Oh, I do not mean that. Lemme find you an URL. If you have eaten recently, you may want to wait reading it though18:59
osx5yeah shadow, that kind of sucks they won't run it18:59
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ShadowJKthough you can get python on them, that makes it possible to write your own basic apps. Like for transfering files over wifi...18:59
RST38hShadowJK: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/symbian_utopia_lost/19:00
osx5RST38h: most of the nok phones in america are not well known or popular anymore, because of apple and google19:00
* CosmoHill prints of presentaion script19:00
osx5comes across as if they gave up on North American marketing for their devices19:00
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osx5and meego is being touted which is nice, gets some recognition in the press19:00
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osx5I wish nok made more CDMA devices19:01
RST38hNokia makes CDMA devices.19:01
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osx5RST38h: not for sprint19:02
RST38h(although you wouldn't want to use them)19:02
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osx5sprint won't activate any phone without their branding on it, which is lame19:02
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osx5RST38h: Its either the E71 or my other option really is to go back to AT&T and just buy an unlocked E72x and put the sim card in it, problem is the cost would be like $90 a month19:03
osx5it'll be great when meego is on affordable devices one day19:03
CosmoHillosx5: ah you're american19:04
RST38hShadowJK:And, soon to become classic, another confirmation of the diagnosis: http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/19:04
osx5Cosmohill: yeah I'm an evil american lol19:04
CosmoHillI'd jab you with a pitchfork but over here we use tractors19:04
osx5lol19:04
osx5Cosmohill: I envy europe, you guys get better choices for cell devices19:05
osx5and nok is big over there19:05
RST38hosx5: Man, I am not even getting subsidized phones, prefer to buy them properly, so cannot empathize with you, sorry :)19:05
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osx5RST38h: what do you mean buy them properly lol19:06
osx5RST38h: I'll probably end up goign with the E71 so I can save money monthly , but we'll see19:06
ShadowJKBuy them properly = dont buy them from the operator19:06
RST38hosx5: I got to a store, or an online retailer, pay the whole price of the phone, and get it19:06
osx5RST38h: I would be doing that with the E7119:07
RST38hosx5: I then pay $10-$20 a month for cellular service, data included19:07
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osx5Straight talk is a prepaid service that runs on verizon's network19:07
osx5RST38h: how do you do that19:07
osx5where are you living at?19:07
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ShadowJKI actually bought my E75 with operator subsidy.. however, the store was out of locked devices so it was the uncrippled proper version :-)19:07
CosmoHillI get my dad's old O2 phones which are unlocked so I just put in my Vodafone sim car :)19:07
CosmoHills/car/card/19:07
ShadowJK(operators like to cripple phones)19:07
infobotCosmoHill meant: I get my dad's old O2 phones which are unlocked so I just put in my Vodafone sim card :)19:07
RST38hosx5: I do that by inserting a 1000 ruble bill into a machine in our appartment complex lobby, every 2months19:07
* RST38h cackles19:08
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CosmoHillmy friend has two high end nokias that he never bought19:08
osx5RST38h: I would like to see meego compete with iOS and android in the US, but nok doesn't care anymore about NA19:08
CosmoHillno idea what's happening to them19:08
ShadowJKI have month by month contract. They send a bill when I've accumulated 25Euro use or so19:09
CosmoHilloh it's easy to compete with iOS, "oh look, I'm using bluetooth on a computer without itunes!"19:09
RST38hShadowJK: Even better. In my case, the phone just loses the network.19:09
osx5Shadow they like to lock people in in the USA19:09
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osx52 year contracts19:09
RST38hWe all know that, osx519:09
* CosmoHill is on pay as you go19:09
ShadowJKI dont have prepaid, I have postpaid :P19:09
osx5RST38h: my mistake19:09
CosmoHilldid you know, the iphone is the only phone in china you can get on contract19:09
CosmoHillall other phones are pay as you go19:10
osx5pay as you go is just starting to get popular here19:10
Mat_Matanhi19:10
ShadowJKApparently they call and ask wtf and ask for collateral from my class of consumer if I'd go over 500Eur in a short time19:10
pupnikit's very interesting how these markets differ. is it because of the culture, or the legislation?19:10
ShadowJKcontracts were illegal here until a few years ago19:11
osx5pupnik: capitalism vs socialism is really what it comes down to in some peoples minds , in my opinion its just companies being greedy19:11
CosmoHillpupnik: both, the iphone is a legal expection to the law19:11
ShadowJKwell, the "coupling" was. If a phone was offered for X, then by law you had to be able to buy that phone unlocked for the advertised X.19:11
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osx5Apple essentially killed off Nok in the USA19:12
* pixelgeek wonders if Dawn's running the werewolf game down in the Early bird area in a bit...19:12
ShadowJKAnd contracts always had 1-month notice if you wanted to change, no 12 or 24 month contracts19:12
osx5yeah i'm locked in a 24 month19:12
osx5I have to pay $90 to cancel it19:12
ShadowJKCompetition (what makes capitalism work) worked better when customers could seamlessly switch from one operator to another with one month's notice :P19:13
osx5android will be king here soon, i've seen at least 5 devices per carrier so far , only growing19:13
osx5RST38h: did you have a E71?19:14
RST38hpupnik: it is because of AT&T19:14
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CosmoHillIn the UK the operator has to unlock any phone over a year old for free, under a year and they can charge a fee for it19:14
RST38hpupnik: which pretty much monopolized US phone networks, for years19:14
CosmoHillbut some operators don't lock contract phones19:14
RST38hpupnik: If I understand correctly,most EU phone networks originally belonged to governments,OR were heavily regulated19:15
RST38hosx5: no19:15
osx5its so ironic, in socialist europe you have more freedom for cell devices than we have here in the us19:15
CosmoHillI think O2 belonged to BT which was government owned19:15
RST38hpupnik: + US consumers are sheep, sorry19:15
pupnikRST38h: i see that last point19:15
osx5RST38h: Are there a lot of apps for S60/ 9,3?19:15
CosmoHillon a side note, 147% of eastern Europeans have a mobile phone19:15
Myrttiwhat socialist europe?19:16
osx5Myrtti: lol19:16
CosmoHilli think the nearest communist country is china19:16
* Myrtti has lately seen a steep turn to right, and besides this isn't a place for discussing politics19:17
RST38hand even that is no longer entirely correct19:17
osx5myrtti: basically every "democracy" over in europe is a socialist state , Sweden is a great example. The govt. takes 60% of income from people19:17
osx5yeah19:17
osx5back to meego and such19:17
CosmoHillMyrtti: i think he means relatively speaking19:17
MyrttiCosmoHill: right...19:17
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CosmoHillnot that any European has negative views of america19:18
osx5RST38h: I never had a S60 device so this will be fun, of course its not touch screen but I can live with that. I think touch is somewhat overated, with meego it wn't be though19:18
* CosmoHill will be quiet and look for the undo button19:18
osx5lol19:18
Myrttiwhat's s60/9,3?19:18
Myrttinever heard of such thing19:19
osx5symbian19:19
RST38hMyrtti: He means S60e319:19
CosmoHillMyrtti: Nokia 6220 Classic19:19
Myrttiright19:19
CosmoHill(as one example)19:19
osx5forgive my newbness on nok devices, in america they are pretty much scarce now19:19
ShadowJKRST38h, in .fi originally the country was divided into areas, each area "belonging" to a certain operator. this was for landlines. In exchange for this monopoly they were regulated, and obliged by law to deliver a landline to anyone who wanted one. In GSM age the numerous phone companies became 3 gsm network operators, one of which was formerly government. There's still regulation on how much they charge eachother. The bigger operator has to charge less f19:19
RST38hwe have got that already19:19
ShadowJKrom the smaller operator than smaller from big. It makes sure that the big operators dont use market force to freeze out the competition19:19
CosmoHillI think in the EU there's now caps on roaming charges19:20
RST38hShadowJK: In 2000 US, AT&T still *lended* thousands of landline phones to people at $60..$90/month19:20
CosmoHillholy crap19:21
CosmoHillthat's a lot19:21
osx5yeah19:21
RST38hShadowJK: [so I hope you get the idea]19:21
osx5for an iphone in the USA it costs about $120 am onth or more19:21
osx5depending on the plan19:21
CosmoHillhere's it's £11.99 per land line, (virgin or BT)19:21
MyrttiI can't name one Finn in my close ackquaintance that still has a landline19:22
CosmoHillMyrtti: how do you get your broadband?19:22
osx5RST38h: I just want to know will it be a good experience with the E71? I just want to be able to check my email, browse the web if i need to, chat , and thats about it. I don't need a ton of apps, but its nice to have the option19:22
RST38hShadowJK: In USSR, phone networks were basically managed by the commutator nodes in the nearest big city19:22
MyrttiCosmoHill: without a landline contract19:22
RST38hShadowJK: These nodes have become local telecoms, as USSRcollapsed19:23
ShadowJKyou dont need to keep landline phone service in order to get adsl. They are decoupled19:23
MyrttiCosmoHill: the copper is there, but landline contract isn't mandatory19:23
CosmoHillah i see19:23
CosmoHillto me a land line is a cable connected to your house19:23
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CosmoHillit can be for data only I think19:23
ShadowJKRST38h, and then the mafia showed up and "offered" to buy the company for 10 kopek?19:23
MyrttiCosmoHill: in UK? I doubt it19:23
RST38hShadowJK: Depends19:23
RST38hShadowJK: Don't discount the business skills of the soviet directors19:24
osx5be back in a few19:24
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ShadowJKJust saw a documentary on tv, there's apparently a concept called "legit criminals" :-)19:24
RST38hShadowJK: Half the time the mafia itself ended up dead, in a nearest forest19:24
RST38hShadowJK:Occupational risks.19:25
ShadowJKYeah one of the bosses were saying it was like a civil war19:25
CosmoHillRandom fact: Russia has the 4th highest amount of mobile phones19:25
ShadowJK"We are humane. The people we gave concrete shoes and dropped into the ocean were dead first"19:25
RST38hShadowJK: Yea, 90s were tough here19:25
ShadowJKI'll have fiber soon :-)19:26
ShadowJKish19:26
* RST38h has fiber19:26
CosmoHillcool, we have to wait until march to get fiber19:26
ShadowJKtoo far for adsl, but new fiber dug into ground19:26
CosmoHilleven then that's only to the cabinet19:26
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ShadowJKto the home here19:27
CosmoHillour internet is poop19:27
RST38hWell, it ends up somewhere at the roof here19:27
CosmoHill2.5MB/s ish19:27
ShadowJKI have 1Mbit/s wimax19:27
RST38hThe in-building wiring is standard 100BTX19:27
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ShadowJKand 5Mbit 3g on n900 when the weather is right and my n900 is within the 1 square meter of space where signal happens to be strong :-)19:28
CosmoHillmy friend redid his internal wiring with CAT519:28
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CosmoHillawesome, my friend used to have a 3G dongle taped to his window19:28
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* RST38h had E70 taped to a window, with N810 doing the browsing19:29
ShadowJKRST38h, for appartment buildings we're also doing fiber to every customer, one strand of fibre per customer, all the way to the switch :-)19:29
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CosmoHillat uni we got 60Mbit/s download and 30Mbit/s upload :)19:30
RST38hShadowJK: Would be too expensive to maintain here, too many appartments19:30
ShadowJKUsing bendbrite fiber indoors for appartment buildings. It's thinner than electrical cable, and can be bent freely without too much loss19:30
CosmoHillI heard that fibre is now cheaper than copper19:31
ShadowJKand people don't even use their phone line for anything anymore, so you can just tie the fiber to the phone line and go pull in the customer's flat :-)19:31
RST38hheh19:31
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MyrttiI wouldn't be surprised if the suburb I live in would have been one of the first suburbs in the country to get faster ADSL connections19:32
CosmoHillwe're on ADSL2+ here. the only difference I've notice between that as ADSL is that it drops the connection more19:32
Myrttithen again, I quite often wonder when I go shopping when is someone going to stop me at Alko queue and ask "Are you Myrtti"19:33
ShadowJKhas that happened?19:33
ShadowJKI hate it when I meet people I know at Alko19:33
CosmoHillAlko?19:34
MyrttiCosmoHill: state monopoly offlicence19:34
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MyrttiShadowJK: not yet, I wouldn't mind, but it does add a weird extra layer of paranoia in grocery shopping19:36
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CosmoHillit's not that uncommon to run into people I went to school with in shops19:36
odinmplaying "warewolf" with Dawn19:37
MyrttiCosmoHill: I'm not from Hervanta ;-)19:37
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sivangre20:03
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jnwianyone know what number texrat is using in Dublin?20:15
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NooBmonk3y118 11820:16
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alteregoHeh20:17
jnwiis that some kind of lookup number? Won't help :(20:18
NooBmonk3y;)20:19
NooBmonk3yit was a joke, but yes it's a services directory20:19
NooBmonk3yand sorry, no idea20:19
ShadowJKask for pancake recipie20:19
jnwiok, thanks20:19
NooBmonk3ylol ShadowJK20:19
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sivangtimeless_mbp: y20:22
sivangtimeless_mbp: in the room?20:22
timeless_mbpyep20:22
sivangtimeless_mbp: ah20:22
timeless_mbpgeoping20:22
timeless_mbpwhere are you? :)20:22
sivangtimeless_mbp: downstairs, will appreciate if you can come and meet me and help me continue molding my braindump to the rest of the slides :)20:22
timeless_mbpsure20:23
sivangtimeless_mbp: Idoing well, but slow20:23
sivangtimeless_mbp: also, network upstairs does not really flu20:23
sivangor has, a flu at bes20:23
timeless_mbplemme open my slide pairs here20:23
sivang:\)20:23
sivangjust get your mbp down20:23
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timeless_mbphey20:23
sivangA friend from trolltech is here from Norway and we are having cider and hunnes20:23
sivangtimeless_mbp: are you okay after the travel?20:24
timeless_mbpyeah, down in 1min20:24
timeless_mbpyeah20:24
timeless_mbpdoes the wifi stuff work on multiple devices20:24
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timeless_mbpor do you need to log off?20:24
sivangtimeless_mbp: yes20:24
sivangtimeless_mbp: you just need to log on on each one20:24
sivangtimeless_mbp: and it will save the damn cookie20:24
sivangtimeless_mbp: clearing the cachje does not hel;p to rejuvinte20:24
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timeless_mbphrm20:25
sivangtimeless_mbp: I am at the library lopunge20:25
timeless_mbpi seem to have activated twice20:25
timeless_mbpok, heading down20:25
sivangtimeless_mbp: no supposed to be a problem20:25
sivanglibrary lounge20:25
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djszapiHow can I reach an 'Esc' effect on N900 ? For example I edit a file with vi, but I would like to leave the edit mode.20:27
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timeless_mbpdid you eat?20:28
timeless_mbpuse the on screen toolbar20:28
djszapiwell, I have got another Nokia prototype, but with the same keypad, I guess and I would like to know how can I leave the editing mode in vim.20:29
djszapi* vi20:29
djszapilike ctrl+i -> tab and so on.20:30
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DocScrutinizerctrl+[ -> esc; though that won't help I guess20:31
DocScrutinizer<timeless_mbp> use the on screen toolbar20:31
djszapiwhat does that mean ?20:32
timeless_mbpyou're using X Terminal, right?20:32
djszapino20:32
DocScrutinizero.O20:32
timeless_mbpthere's a toolbar at the bottom of the window...20:32
timeless_mbpyou *aren't* using X Terminal?20:32
timeless_mbpwhy not?20:32
DocScrutinizerwhat else?20:33
timeless_mbpwhat *are* you using?20:33
djszapiqonsole, that is why I asked keypad solution, like 'tab' character.20:33
DocScrutinizerO.O20:34
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DocScrutinizerwtf is qonsole?20:35
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djszapidoes not really matter, but if you are really interested in that, google is your friend.20:36
djszapibut that is another question for now.20:37
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timeless_mbpdjszapi: you probably need to hack Qonsole or something :(20:41
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djszapinop20:41
djszapi^C works fine, ty.20:41
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djszapiCan I jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ?20:48
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Venemo_N900hi20:55
Venemo_N900how was the MeeGo conference?20:55
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eranihow was? it ain't even started yet O.o21:10
eranihttp://conference2010.meego.com/21:10
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djszapiyes, silly question :)21:10
jacekowski~seen ali123421:15
infobotali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 5h 5m 59s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'.21:15
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nialaCosmoHill: Reading fc win this we ?21:24
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CosmoHill3 all against Norwich21:38
NooBmonk3ylcuk, you at the conf?21:43
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CosmoHilllcuk: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5001721:48
w00t_hellooooo meegoians21:49
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jnwiwoot, me too, are you hungry?21:49
w00t_we ate at the airport (as we hadn't lunch), so not hugely but a bit yeah21:51
w00t_where you at?21:51
jnwiD4 Ballsbridge Inn21:51
jnwiin my room21:51
jnwiyou?21:51
odinmbattery dying21:52
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CosmoHillI wonder how many people got to their room, went to plug in their laptop and then had to rush out and by an adapter21:53
CosmoHillbye*21:53
jnwioh crap, I forgot to bring my adapter21:54
CosmoHillsee21:54
jnwiyeah21:54
jnwithanks for making me notice at 70%, though ;)21:54
NooBmonk3yHi w00t_21:54
CosmoHillnp21:54
NooBmonk3yenjoy dunlin :)21:54
NooBmonk3ydublin even21:55
NooBmonk3yi'm sure dunlin is lovely wherever it may be21:55
CosmoHilljnwi: any shops open? Shops here close at 4pm normally21:55
jnwithere's a shop inside the hotel21:55
jnwiWill have to go see if they sell them21:56
jnwithey were open at least 20min ago21:56
CosmoHillyou could always do what I've seen some do and force the plug into the socket but I wouldn't advise that21:56
jnwiprobably not a good idea21:56
CosmoHillI just thought, I'd get to see and speak to people on IRC who I've never spoken to because of the time difference21:56
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jnwiwoot, so are you going to get food?21:58
CosmoHill"bring me up an adapter"21:58
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jnwiCause I need to go asap to get an adapter from the store21:59
RST38hMhm, cannot upload to autobuilder21:59
RST38hPermission denied (publickey).22:00
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w00t_jnwi: a bunch of people are heading to the D4 pub apparantly22:02
w00t_(connection dropped, yay shitty wifi)22:02
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jnwiw00t_: not sure where that is but one pub at least was full of sports fans22:03
jnwiyou might find it a bit packed22:03
w00t_ooh22:03
* w00t_ informs22:03
jnwiso which hotel are you at?22:04
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CosmoHillhey saltsa_22:35
CosmoHilland slaine >.>22:35
slaineHowdy22:35
* slaine is looking forward to tomorrow22:35
CosmoHillI'm not, I'm giving a presentation22:36
slaineCollege or MeeGoConf ?22:40
CosmoHilluni22:40
CosmoHillalthough I am doing the growth of mobile phones in the developing world22:41
CosmoHillI think Nokia made 47% of all the mobile phones in the world22:41
CosmoHillbut I can't remember where I read that22:41
slainethought it was higher than that22:44
slainegood luck with it22:44
CosmoHillthanks22:46
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jnwiadapter acquired22:46
jnwiand pizza...22:47
CosmoHillawesome22:47
CosmoHillremember, nom the pizza, not the adapter22:47
CosmoHillpizza + 240V = bad22:47
jnwiI'll try22:47
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eranihttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate22:58
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CosmoHillhas anyone else noticed their history disappear on firefox?22:59
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CosmoHilllike my history is set to remember the last 200 days but it can't remember october22:59
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MohammadAGwhat port does the recovery initrd run ssh on?23:13
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