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| lcuk | is there someone smart enough out there to make a twitter word of the day account | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | for learning finnish (or other variious languages) :P | 00:51 |
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| CosmoHill | salut niala | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | comment ça va? | 01:03 |
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| niala | hello, CosmoHill I'm suppose I m fine | 01:04 |
| niala | -'m | 01:05 |
| smoku | what is the plan for meego tablet ui? | 01:05 |
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| CosmoHill | I can understand why I'm looking at "MSc in Advanced Software Engineering", but I can't understand why I'm looking at it in Dublin | 01:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | will meego ship with an email client or is this up to the distributors? | 02:25 |
| auke | there's a handset email application | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | hey auke | 02:26 |
| Shapeshifter | auke: thanks. | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:27 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. browsing the meego gitorious, I notice - meego really is *very* pink ._. | 02:35 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | vgrade: have you tried to get VA-API working under EMGD? | 04:58 |
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| fabo | ferringb: pong | 08:46 |
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| djszapi | Will libmeego touch (DUI) be killed and eventually replaced with QML ? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, but indications show that qml, qt is the direction from nokia's side | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | what this means for MTF remains to be seen | 08:56 |
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| kt_ | Hi, I need to apply some patches to the meego kernel. I have looked at: http://wiki.meego.com/Kernel_Process_Obsolete | 12:33 |
| kt_ | Is that still the newest information? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's marked 'obsolete' | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:34 |
| kt_ | Updated: 2010-05-27 | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors | 12:34 |
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| kt_ | Stskeeps, I need a step-by-step guide as http://wiki.meego.com/Kernel_Process_Obsolete | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | I shouldn't laugh, but with my current luck and energy levels it is sort of consoling to know I'm not the only one | 12:35 |
| Myrtti | kt_: it doesn't change the fact that the page is obsolete | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | kt_: help write one then :) i think to some extent the documentation there is valid still | 12:36 |
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| kt_ | Stskeeps, that was the information i was looking - that to some extent the information is still valid | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | what do you think, if I made a mockup of an audiobook GUI and made a feature list, would someone actually do it? | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | s/audiobook/audiobook player/ | 12:37 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: what do you think, if I made a mockup of an audiobook player GUI and made a feature list, would someone actually do it? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: design docs always help/vision | 12:38 |
| Myrtti | that's about all I *can* do | 12:38 |
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| Myrtti | I can't even promise I could test it, but the idea comes from the fact there are no applications for Nokia devices I'd use if I still used their phones | 12:40 |
| rauli | kt_: maybe check the mailing list mentioned on the wiki page | 12:40 |
| dl9pf | X-Fade: pong | 12:41 |
| kt_ | rauli, thank you for your suggestion | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: Any ideas on how to speed up the package installation phase for arm builds. I guess qemu io is the issue there? | 12:42 |
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| dl9pf | i'm working on it (rpm speedup is the key) but i'm busy with other tasks atm. | 12:43 |
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| X-Fade | Atm, on the community obs, we need about 4 minutes to build uxlaunch, of which only 10 seconds is the actual building. | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | Trying to get the overhead down. | 12:45 |
| Bostik | an interesting tidbit would be where in the I/O chain exactly the bottlenecks are | 12:45 |
| CosmoHill | X-Fade: what is the overhead? | 12:45 |
| CosmoHill | Bostik: you mean like hard drive, RAM and network bottlenecks? | 12:46 |
| Bostik | if it's the physical stuff of writing blocks on disk, then a really large tmpfs for build environment might one trick to reduce the chokes | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | CosmoHill: A i686 build takes about a minute including vm setup, install. | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | It is cpu bound, because of qemu arm emu. | 12:46 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 12:47 |
| Bostik | I know that inside qemu everything, including the I/O operations are emulated as per the native arch | 12:47 |
| CosmoHill | so instead of cross compiling it's native compiling within a VM? | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | dl9pf: Is parrallel install possible during that phase? It seems to only use one core, while more are available. | 12:47 |
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| dl9pf | its a sequential install due to the dependencies. | 12:52 |
| CosmoHill | could some parts not be parrallel? | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it would need to be quite smart to do that in parallel where possible. | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it native (x86) rpm doing the install? or am i misunderstanding things | 12:53 |
| Bostik | CosmoHill: I was thinking that maybe the full-scale syscall emulation that takes place when the data moves through the entire I/O chain could be somehow reduced by eliminating certain pieces; such as the "write-stuff-to-physical-disk" part, which in turn then skips the heavy'ish filesystem code paths | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | No, rpm runs in qemu atm. | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: really? doesn't have to, i think | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, the chroot is unpopulated, so what installs the first packages? | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | That is what speedrpm is trying to solve. | 12:54 |
| dl9pf | Stskeeps: home:jsmoeller:speedrpm is what will solve this. | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | i did cross-arm installs using rpm --root, so was just curious | 12:55 |
| dl9pf | yes, initial run is done with (x86-)rpm of the host itself | 12:55 |
| CosmoHill | I've used rpm --root on my little distro for testing | 12:55 |
| CosmoHill | and also for installation from livecd | 12:56 |
| vilvo | marnanel: ping? | 12:56 |
| dl9pf | but as soon as we move into the chroot (for max compatibility and %post scripts exec!) its currently rpm@arm | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | mm ok | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we risk issues like we see on mic2 | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | which doesn't use the chroot's rpm as much | 12:56 |
| dl9pf | yes | 12:57 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, the postinst part is probably most crucial. | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | the good news is that the postinsts of rpms are usually minimal :P | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | and we have accelerated bash | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | the default shell for meego is bash right and this is what sh points to? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | just checking | 13:00 |
| CosmoHill | on my distro sh points to sh and this caused all kinds of problems for RPM | 13:00 |
| CosmoHill | *zsh | 13:00 |
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| CosmoHill | going back to what X-Fade said about it only using one core | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | I was gonna suggest using multiple cores to compile the package to speed up the build process | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | but if the package only takes a minute to compile then increasing the number of cores it going to have little affect | 13:07 |
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| foreach | Hi, i'm trying to install meego sdk for Windows according to this page http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows . So I have done all the steps, but then I start MeeGo Emulator, windows pops up showing loading process and after it shows 'i386_start_kernel' it just hangs and does nothing. What could be a reason and how to fix it? | 13:27 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, are there any arm devices capable of doing the build/install phases natively faster than in qemu? | 13:28 |
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| Bostik | lcuk: I can answer that - yes | 13:31 |
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| Bostik | lcuk: co-worker ran a series of tests a year or so back, compiling most of ubuntu/main on a cluster of mx-51 boards | 13:31 |
| Bostik | one order of magnitude difference | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I would guess that a pandaboard would do a better job, yes. | 13:33 |
| lcuk | interesting, is it possible to use in a production environment, i know the pandas are not cased up onto server racks and such yet? | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | Well we would first need to test it anyway. Storage is another issue for those boards. | 13:35 |
| lcuk | if not those boards, are there any other arm based blades which can act as slot in replacements with the drives and stuff | 13:36 |
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| X-Fade | There was a rumour that Facebook was looking into arm servers, but that doesn't seem to be true ;) | 13:38 |
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| foreach | so can anyone help me?.. | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | foreach: No, not without more info. | 13:43 |
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| foreach | X-Fade, what info is needed? | 13:43 |
| Bostik | I can make a wild guess: PAE not enabled? (default boot is quiet, so you don't see the error) | 13:44 |
| foreach | how to enable it? | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html like the computer on the right? | 13:46 |
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| marnanel | vilvo: pong | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | interesting CosmoHill :) nice find | 13:52 |
| lcuk | hi marnanel \o | 13:52 |
| foreach | hmm, if I start emulator with starting kqemu first, then emulator loads successfully in command line mode where I can log in | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | shame it doesn't have a serial port or VGA | 13:53 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, not reqd for server use? | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | there not but it would be very nice for development use | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, but bloody handy | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | you need some way to access it at boot | 13:54 |
| lcuk | ahh i misread and thought they were rackspace remote devices rather than shipped and on desk | 13:55 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, they have a 500GB hard drive and come with debian | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | so potentially they could be used as build devices | 13:57 |
| marnanel | lcuk: hi :) | 13:57 |
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| Bostik | 1.2GHz sounds like A9, but why only 512MB of memory? | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | yeah, why 512MB, everybody knows you only need 640kb | 14:01 |
| Bostik | not that | 14:01 |
| Bostik | but panda comes with 1GB on board already, iirc | 14:01 |
| CosmoHill | Bostik: link please | 14:02 |
| Jartza | tgif | 14:02 |
| * Jartza is tired | 14:02 | |
| Bostik | just a minute, hunting the page | 14:02 |
| Bostik | http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/references | 14:02 |
| Bostik | top-right corner of the image, "highlights" | 14:02 |
| Bostik | last line reads "Memory: 1GB ..." | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | http://pandaboard.org/content/platform confirms specifically in the memory section | 14:03 |
| CosmoHill | impressive | 14:03 |
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| Bostik | ah yes, thank you | 14:04 |
| Myrtti | Bostik: aww, can't make a North Korean meego PDA from that then | 14:04 |
| Myrtti | it has radio chip | 14:04 |
| CosmoHill | it does say 1GB DDR2 low power in the gray box above the picture | 14:04 |
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| CosmoHill | oo that can do 1080p, my computers can't even do that :( | 14:05 |
| sx0n | just looking same thing. | 14:05 |
| Bostik | Myrtti: maybe one can live with such a restriction | 14:05 |
| Myrtti | Bostik: or try to pry the chip out with a chisel | 14:06 |
| sx0n | *wondering does it provide supported graphics chip | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | oops my n900 main memory is full | 14:12 |
| lcuk | disk space ^ | 14:12 |
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| vilvo | marnanel: I was looking http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons and wondering if we could have some MeeGons to improve http://wiki.meego.com/Quality main page structure? | 14:19 |
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| smoku | is there a plan for meego tablet UI? | 14:56 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: Yes, check on youtube for an example. | 14:56 |
| smoku | X-Fade, youtube is not much of the "plan" | 14:57 |
| smoku | i've seen the movie, thus I'm asking | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | smoku: No, but it gives you an idea. Haven't seen any docs though. | 14:57 |
| smoku | because i cannot find any official information about tablet UI | 14:57 |
| smoku | just this intel POC | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | It is not an official UX for 1.2 yet, so... | 14:58 |
| smoku | I wonder whether it is going to be an official meego supported UI | 14:58 |
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| smoku | or some custom thingy intel is putting on their OEM releases | 14:58 |
| smoku | like nokia is going with their meego release | 14:58 |
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| smoku | with their custom proprietary ui for handsets | 14:59 |
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| plan_rich | hey there! i have nokia n900 and wanted to try meego, so i loaded all the data to my microSD card and did the steps descripted in setup instructions. but when i plug the phone it starts and displays some text quite unreadable because the display brigthness is so low... what should i do? | 15:14 |
| marnanel | vilvo: sure. I'm kind of snowed under at the moment, and perhaps someone else would be better to do it, but if not, I'll get to it in a bit | 15:15 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | plan_rich: wait. | 15:16 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | (yes, that's it, just wait.) | 15:16 |
| leinir | ljp: ping - think you've got a bit of time to help me out a touch with the build service? well, you or indeed anybody else :) | 15:17 |
| plan_rich | kk :D ill try that now again | 15:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and you probably used an even slower card | 15:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | so you need to wait some more | 15:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 15:17 |
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| plan_rich | i got a class 6 sdhc card | 15:17 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ok | 15:18 |
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| plan_rich | theres a orange light now does that say im fine? | 15:21 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | if you look at the text, you'll see it's slowly booting | 15:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yes, i know it's dark | 15:23 |
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| foreach | great, now I managed to load emulator so it shows console, but how could I start meego UX? | 15:25 |
| plan_rich | but it says there: VFS: cannot open root device "mmcb1k0p1" or unknown-block (179,1) | 15:25 |
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| plan_rich | there are many errors saying that my sd card cannot be mounted at block 179,1 | 15:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | plan_rich: ew. that's not good | 15:27 |
| plan_rich | also when i insert the sd card into my pc it is not mounted anymore... why is that? | 15:27 |
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| * TSCHAKeee2 takes a deep breath | 15:28 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | depends on your OS | 15:28 |
| plan_rich | kubuntu | 15:29 |
| foreach | why desctop is not shown in emulator? | 15:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | does it mount when you click on it | 15:29 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ? | 15:29 |
| plan_rich | it is not even shown that i can be mounted | 15:29 |
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| plan_rich | problem is dmesg: '[ 1300.025030] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0p1. | 15:30 |
| plan_rich | [ 1315.225200] EXT3-fs (mmcblk0p1): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev mmcblk0p1. | 15:30 |
| plan_rich | [ 1318.993145] EXT2-fs (mmcblk0p1): error: can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev mmcblk0p1.' | 15:30 |
| plan_rich | did dd destroy my sd card? | 15:31 |
| lcuk | dd will happily write lots of data onto a partition, its not "destroyed" its just not got data that your host OS can understand | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | i dont know which image you copied to the card, but afaik, the images are btrfs aren't they? | 15:32 |
| plan_rich | btrfs? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MeeGo-project-chooses-Btrfs-as-standard-file-system-999051.html | 15:33 |
| plan_rich | k | 15:34 |
| * lcuk might be wrong, but thats potentially why you are not seeing valid data from within your os | 15:34 | |
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| plan_rich | well i download the raw and try again... maybe something was corrupted with the download | 15:35 |
| plan_rich | thx for help | 15:35 |
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| smoku | shouldn't "rpm -qa" list all packages installed on my system? | 15:45 |
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| CosmoHill | think so | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | smoku: yes, it does | 15:48 |
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| smoku | [root@localhost ~]# rpm -qa | 15:49 |
| smoku | [root@localhost ~]# | 15:49 |
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| smoku | nothing | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 15:50 |
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| CosmoHill | this might happen where the RPM database hasn't been created | 15:50 |
| CosmoHill | or something else has happened to it | 15:50 |
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| plan_rich | i did the same procedure with my sd card and the new raw file. but stille it claims that it cannot open root device mmc1k0p1 which is the sdcard... any suggestions? | 15:54 |
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| CosmoHill | are you using the correct kernel for the raw image? | 15:54 |
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| plan_rich | y checked the md5sum of meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: what OS did you build the image on? | 15:56 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, ubuntu | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | version? | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:59 |
| smoku | I am able to install packages with zypper | 15:59 |
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| smoku | 10.10 | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that is a known bug (i think) - the ubuntu rpm trashes the databases | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | -s | 16:00 |
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| smoku | is there a known fix? | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | i haven't found one yet. could you search bugs.meego.com and see if there's a reported bug? | 16:00 |
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| plan_rich | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 16:04 |
| plan_rich | USB device found found at bus 002, device address 017. | 16:04 |
| plan_rich | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 | 16:04 |
| plan_rich | NOLO version 1.4.14 | 16:04 |
| plan_rich | Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 16:04 |
| plan_rich | Sending kernel image (1563 kB)... | 16:04 |
| plan_rich | 100% (1563 of 1563 kB, avg. 19071 kB/s) | 16:04 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, Bug 9086 | 16:05 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9086 nor, Undecided, ---, yi.y.yang, NEW, The rpm database is not populated when creating images on ubuntu 10.10 | 16:05 |
| plan_rich | but there is no Flashing kernel... done | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: ah, bingo | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | plan_rich: it shouldn't flash | 16:05 |
| smoku | pretty recent one | 16:06 |
| plan_rich | y but my output is still the same: cannot open root device mmc1k0p1 ... this is weird | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | plan_rich: is your back cover on? | 16:06 |
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| plan_rich | yes | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | how did you dd it? | 16:07 |
| plan_rich | sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmc1k0p1 | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's your problem | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it... | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | it should be mmcblk0, not p1 | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | plan_rich: you have to write to the whole card | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 16:09 |
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| plan_rich | lol | 16:09 |
| plan_rich | kk ill try that | 16:09 |
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| plan_rich | whats the difference betweene these two? cause fdisk -l says mmc1k0p1 is the card | 16:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | plan_rich, partition vs block | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | we're rewriting the entire sd card, so | 16:12 |
| plan_rich | k | 16:12 |
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| plan_rich | awesome it works | 16:15 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | this is perhaps the issue I always have, when I try to do tech support. I assume people type the right commands to begin with :P :) | 16:17 |
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| plan_rich | it is really slow... | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | well, it's 1.1 and we don't have fancy gfx drivers in yet :) | 16:22 |
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| plan_rich | k but i like it | 16:23 |
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| plan_rich | maybe one day there will be a stable meego for n900 :D | 16:27 |
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| Myrtti | well, yeah... nobody said there'd be one now | 16:27 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia did a lot of handwaving towards something along those lines. | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | plan_rich: we are working actively on it, yes | 16:28 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: and right afterwards a lot along the other way | 16:28 |
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| GAN900 | They really don't deserve anybody's business these days. | 16:30 |
| smoku | http://pastebin.com/iWKkW0ss - is meego dhclient broken, or did I miss some package? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: it works, fwiw, but you're right, those errors are weird.. | 16:30 |
| smoku | yes it obtains the address correctly | 16:31 |
| smoku | but the infrastructure to create resolv.conf etc. is apparently missing | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: file a bug(TM) | 16:34 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, OS Base / Component?? any idea? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: networking | 16:38 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, no networking component | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 16:45 |
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| smoku | I filed under Other | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | middleware then | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | i always get os base and middleware confused | 16:45 |
| smoku | no middleware either | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:45 |
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| Myrtti | ihhh, put on my stickers on the N1 and they seem to still have enough glue to keep it on the phone | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | sounds like my phone, feels like my phone, looks like my phone | 17:42 |
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| odin_ | did all the rooms sell out in D4 complex Dublin ? | 17:42 |
| odin_ | maybe I am speaking to an empty IRC channel already and everyone is already at the bar :) | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | I'm not at the bar, but I'm braindead | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | so I'm as good as being in a bar | 17:44 |
| odin_ | heh... note to self.... don't get too excited... I am a WEEK EARLY ! ha ha | 17:44 |
| DawnFoster | odin_: I think there are still rooms at the D4 | 17:45 |
| DawnFoster | odin_: unfortunately, it's still morning over here :) | 17:46 |
| * Stskeeps has weekend but has to prepare for conference talks | 17:46 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders to plan a half a month away from communications at some point.. | 17:47 | |
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| Myrtti | ♥ GAN900 ♥ | 17:50 |
| Myrtti | that is all :-D | 17:51 |
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| odin_ | ok thanks for the D4 update, a shame as there was a 2 to 3 week period if time between when D4 were allowing reservation (all be it a lower rates than Meego Conf) | 17:54 |
| odin_ | this was when I phoned up to find out there are no rooms and I explicitly told D4 reception desk I am going to conference, but they were still out of room, I guess it was upto whomever was holding the block booking to allocate/manage them | 17:55 |
| odin_ | so I ended up booking somewhere nearby (for a good price however) | 17:56 |
| * lcuk ponders flights also | 17:56 | |
| DawnFoster | odin_: the reservations for the conference had to be made online (not over the phone) - no idea why the hotel did it that way | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: ah, you'd probably go through the conference website instead of D4 reception, that's what's handling the block booking.. | 17:56 |
| odin_ | dont think the conf website was up then, or at least the booking of hotel rooms part of it, I booked around 28-Aug-2010 but not to worry and all that | 17:57 |
| odin_ | I think an announcement came out around 2 weeks after booking of exactly what to do to get a D4 room | 17:58 |
| odin_ | or I just missed/could not find info on wiki page, which talks/informs of D4 | 17:58 |
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| odin_ | ah well at least I have a week to think/prepare for it myself | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i should probably start planning the trip as well.. got tickets and a horrible 7am direct flight on the return on thursday.. | 18:01 |
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| * odin_ ponders "Web Check In" ar RyanAir, do I need to search my own bags for contraband ? | 18:03 | |
| Stskeeps | nah, the automatic system to make sure your luggage gets lost includes that | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:04 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: no, Ryanair usually manages the bags ok | 18:05 |
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| Myrtti | it's EasyJet that fucks stuff up | 18:05 |
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| Myrtti | just two weeks ago they forgot to load a planeful of people's luggage from Luton to Berlin | 18:06 |
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| Myrtti | didn't send it to a wrong place - they forgot | 18:06 |
| GAN900 | "Oops" | 18:07 |
| Myrtti | "oops, yeah, the luggage, it's been here on Luton all the time" | 18:07 |
| Myrtti | if they had put them in the wrong plane, then there would've atleast been a token effort of putting the luggage where it should be | 18:08 |
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| Myrtti | then again, I've been mostly flying from Finland to UK - and it requires special effort for the airport crew to lose the luggage when the terminal Ryanair uses here can handle exactly one planeload of people at a time | 18:09 |
| Myrtti | right, have a happy weekend everyone | 18:11 |
| leinir | Seeya! :) | 18:11 |
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| vilvo | marnanel: getting a few meegons for wiki.meego.com/Quality is not urgent, the other people mentioned on MeeGons page are not available in irc so please let me know where to request those | 18:14 |
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| marnanel | vilvo: I would private-message them on the MeeGo forums | 18:14 |
| vilvo | ok, thanks | 18:14 |
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| vilvo | umm, who are the artists behind meegons? texrat, physalis? | 18:17 |
| vilvo | and you of course :) | 18:17 |
| lcuk | vilvo, probably better to add to the thread | 18:17 |
| lcuk | PMing requests isnt very open to external participation ;) | 18:17 |
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| marnanel | vilvo: those are the ones I know about. texrat and physalis have actual talent, though, I'm just a scribbler | 18:18 |
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| marnanel | Myrtti: I had my luggage lost at Helsinki last year. I think they'd sent it to Frankfurt or something. It was two or three days into the visit before I got my clothes back | 18:19 |
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| Aard | would be hard to do for ryanair here. they usually only have one plane available where they can store the luggage :) | 18:21 |
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| marnanel | I think this was FinnAir, unless it was BA | 18:22 |
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| * lbt does carry-on | 18:22 | |
| vilvo | lcuk: probably better add to the thread - I need fresh brains to think how those meegons should look like and that I don't have on Friday evening so I'll bail out for weekend. have a good one, everyone | 18:22 |
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| Aard | lbt: works for your short-term-visits... | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | lbt, too much tech crap for that. | 18:23 |
| lbt | yup... longer ones have more of a bouquet | 18:23 |
| * marnanel used to do everything with carryon ten years ago, but it's harder now flights are generally transatlantic | 18:23 | |
| lcuk | nano-clothes | 18:23 |
| Aard | I was a bit pissed that it took them over 30 minutes to unload the luggage in DUS two weeks ago | 18:24 |
| lcuk | Aard, don't you find it distracting when lbt turns up to meetings in a mankini? | 18:24 |
| marnanel | yeah, you know those capsules you drop into a glass of water and they turn into stuff? Can't they make clothes like that? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | yes marnanel | 18:24 |
| marnanel | Even just shirts would make things a lot easier | 18:24 |
| Aard | lcuk: no, suits him quite well | 18:24 |
| * lbt works out | 18:24 | |
| mihero | transatlantic means you always come back to europe suitcase full of electronics?:) | 18:24 |
| marnanel | electronics don't go in hold luggage :) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | lol Aard lbt | 18:25 |
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| Aard | yay, osc exploded again :( | 18:30 |
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| Guest75735 | hello? | 19:02 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 19:04 |
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| Guest75735 | does anyone know anything about Connected TV on MeeGo? | 19:06 |
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| auke | Guest75735: any specific questions? | 19:10 |
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| Guest75735 | hi auke, I am wondering what is the state of Connected TV profile | 19:11 |
| Guest75735 | I can not seem to find that information anywhere | 19:11 |
| auke | the people working on making connected TV products are mostly just taking meego Core and building their own stuff on top of it | 19:12 |
| auke | we get feedback and requests from them regularly but otherwise that's mostly it | 19:12 |
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| auke | there's no UI or features planned for anything specific | 19:12 |
| Guest75735 | when can we expect to see a release out of it? | 19:12 |
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| Guest75735 | or, should I rephrase the question, will there be an official MeeGo Connected TV release? | 19:13 |
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| auke | probably not | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | it sounds very device specific | 19:14 |
| auke | the reason is that there's noone out there that will likely make a product out of it | 19:14 |
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| Guest75735 | set top box manufactures could do that | 19:15 |
| auke | they will use their own (proprietary) UX | 19:15 |
| lcuk | hm | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | why assume proprietary? | 19:16 |
| Guest75735 | so, then there will be no Connected TV profile, right? | 19:16 |
| auke | actually, I'm not assuming that | 19:16 |
| auke | I should have wrote (proprietary or not) | 19:16 |
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| auke | written* | 19:16 |
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| CosmoHill | oh crap | 19:20 |
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| MannyNS | At MeeGo Connected TV pages, they say "MeeGo for Connected TV delivers a complete, open standards-based Linux stack, optimized for living room devices, such as Blu-ray players, set top boxes, and digital TVs" | 19:27 |
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| MannyNS | does anybody know what is in that "delivery"? | 19:28 |
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| araujo | auke, I feel weird with such a thread hijack too .. hehe | 19:28 |
| araujo | felt* | 19:28 |
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| auke | araujo: sigh | 19:35 |
| auke | I read that thread before I had coffee | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i wonder if a way to get rid of the outside-mailing-lists conversations is that if you have to enforce any kind of policy or decision has to be able to be proven with a public record (irc log, meeting log item, mailing list post) or it's unenforcable.. it certainly works for the FEA# requirement in OBS submissions atm :) | 19:37 |
| auke | MannyNS: right now the delivery to that requirement is what we call "MeeGo Core" | 19:38 |
| auke | it's the base part of MeeGo including Xorg | 19:38 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: if only I had the power to make those decisions :) | 19:38 |
| DawnFoster | I love the idea | 19:39 |
| lcuk | conversations arent a problem! | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, if it's a mail to a bunch of people on CC .. | 19:40 |
| lcuk | discussions and meetings either - we want people to retain power of human voice! | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i occasionally think CO should have the power to enforce community-wide things to help the 'work environment'.. | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you have any specific examples of where it doesnt work? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: by being part of these patterns of discussions, which means mailing lists and anyone who 'isn't in the loop' isn't able to participate.. | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | of course power of human voice is useful, that's what you have meeting minutes for.. | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:42 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, arent email conversations just the same as normal conversations | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: closed-loop conversations are not very transparent and they make it difficult to prove yourself as you don't know they're going on.. | 19:44 |
| lcuk | chasing ghosts then - if you don't know they are going on and cannot prove they are - how can you stop them | 19:45 |
| lcuk | and of course, if you are in such a discussion then surely its upto you as someone involved to actively do something about it ;) | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | by making them unenforceable, because eventually the outcome of those conversations will be visible | 19:46 |
| lcuk | not really sure which decisions you are on about - care to offer a few examples of where you think its occured? | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i've been involved in a couple of conversations, but i have to go cook now :P | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | :) | 19:51 |
| MannyNS | auke: thanks | 19:52 |
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| zdenek | meego n00b has arrived... who's available to answer dumb questions? | 20:02 |
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| ShadowJK | I think such a question will genereally attract few if any replies | 20:03 |
| lcuk | it will attract replies | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | relevant ones then | 20:03 |
| zdenek | ok ok so i'll just put it out there... | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | yes, that's the best way | 20:03 |
| * udzinari thinks that google can search the logs for dumb questions pretty well | 20:04 | |
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| zdenek | if i mount the netbook image and run it with xephyr (if thats the correct terminology) | 20:04 |
| zdenek | how can i set the window size or does it have to be 1024x768 | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | you can set the window size | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | see "Xephyr --help" | 20:05 |
| zdenek | cos i really would prefer fullscreen window | 20:05 |
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| zdenek | yes i can definitely change the screen but when meego loads it forces a larger window | 20:05 |
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| zdenek | and if i go fullscreen it just goes black | 20:05 |
| lcuk | meego nighttime ux | 20:06 |
| tranq | heh | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: is there a 5th of november edition? | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, that would require live wallpaper/ active content | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | I think I'll just look out the window in that case | 20:06 |
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| zdenek | sigh, its always slow getting into new projects. @lcuk is that something i must look up? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | no zdenek - i am not sure why fullscreen fails | 20:08 |
| lcuk | never tried it, i am using the handset ux | 20:08 |
| zdenek | oh ok... to the forums | 20:09 |
| lcuk | does internet search not help? | 20:10 |
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| zdenek | not yet at least... | 20:11 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit it's raining | 20:29 |
| UlfHofemeier | lol | 20:30 |
| UlfHofemeier | CosmoHill, you have no idea how funny that sounds :) | 20:30 |
| * CosmoHill blinks | 20:30 | |
| CosmoHill | it's fireworks night | 20:31 |
| UlfHofemeier | CosmoHill, shouldn't matter as long as it's not pouring | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I need to get my camera battery from the car | 20:33 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm having my friends and family over tonight so tonight will be awesome :) | 20:36 |
| CosmoHill | (if slightly damp) | 20:36 |
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| dcordes | smoku: are you in #meego-arm ? | 21:44 |
| smoku | dcordes, sure | 21:44 |
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| SeshuCL | Hello, my netboot stay at cursor prompt forever when I stick in the usb with image. | 22:04 |
| SeshuCL | What can I do to make it start booting, my system contains an Atom processor | 22:05 |
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| niala | hello SeshuCL are you booting on usb? is your video card compatible? | 22:07 |
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| SeshuCL | I'm guess so | 22:08 |
| niala | what is your netbook | 22:08 |
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| SeshuCL | Its a custom built system, contains Atom processor | 22:08 |
| SeshuCL | What else do I have to check to see if it is compatible? | 22:08 |
| niala | principaly video card | 22:09 |
| niala | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices#Netbooks | 22:11 |
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| SeshuCL | Well, I see that its Intel Graphics Media Accelerator driver | 22:15 |
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| SeshuCL | Intel Atom CPU z250 @ 1.33 GHz | 22:17 |
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| niala | SeshuCL: how did you write your usb stick? | 22:20 |
| SeshuCL | yes | 22:20 |
| SeshuCL | I'm using my ubuntu system | 22:21 |
| SeshuCL | so used the image writer to create the downloaded image. | 22:21 |
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| SeshuCL | I downloaded meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img | 22:21 |
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| niala | I had some pb with imagewriter try dd | 22:22 |
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| SeshuCL | Oh! is it...? Ok let me try that... | 22:23 |
| SeshuCL | But, I've been using image writer for sometime...I never had issue with my ubuntu images. | 22:23 |
| SeshuCL | Is this specific to the meego image, any ideas? | 22:24 |
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| niala | note poulsbo and gma500 won't work even they are intel video card | 22:24 |
| niala | no idea | 22:24 |
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| niala | I have tested imagewriter with no succes one time then I use only d | 22:25 |
| niala | dd | 22:25 |
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| SeshuCL | :-( dd too is not working...so I'm guess my video card is poulsbo or gma500. | 22:39 |
| SeshuCL | But how can I find that...do you have any suggestions, please. | 22:39 |
| auke | what system is that? | 22:39 |
| auke | model name/number? | 22:39 |
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| SeshuCL | Its a custom build system... | 22:40 |
| auke | system board name? | 22:40 |
| SeshuCL | don't know the entire configuration... | 22:40 |
| SeshuCL | System board name, how can I locate that...can you please suggest. | 22:40 |
| auke | dmidecode might tell you the board name, vendor etc. | 22:41 |
| SeshuCL | It was windows xp embedded installed on it. | 22:41 |
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| SeshuCL | I'm afraid, I may not be able to find the dmidecode as my system has windows xp embedded installed on it. | 22:44 |
| auke | you should be able to use any linux live boot image and run dmidecode on that | 22:44 |
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| auke | lspci -nn output might also help | 22:45 |
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| SeshuCL | Ok! great...but, :-( | 22:48 |
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| SeshuCL | as niala mentioned, my system is having GMA500 video card | 22:48 |
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| auke | you said you didn't know? | 22:48 |
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| SeshuCL | yes, i was not knowing it before...did google search | 22:49 |
| SeshuCL | and found that I can find it from the display settings | 22:49 |
| auke | what does that tell you? | 22:49 |
| SeshuCL | so just checked and confirmed that it has the Intel's Graphics Media Accelerator 500 | 22:50 |
| auke | ok | 22:50 |
| niala | oh meego ux reboot alone, he doesn't do that since 3 months lol | 22:50 |
| auke | yah, then you're done for now. | 22:50 |
| auke | it's not currently supported. | 22:50 |
| niala | SeshuCL: gma500 ? | 22:50 |
| SeshuCL | yes | 22:51 |
| SeshuCL | its gma500 niala :-( | 22:51 |
| niala | SeshuCL: you can play in virtual environment it's funy, prepare the futur | 22:51 |
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| SeshuCL | How can I do that? Virtual environment? | 22:52 |
| niala | 2s I paste wiki docs | 22:52 |
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| diablal | hello guys, does someone know how to installfirefox on meego 1.1 ? thks | 22:55 |
| diablal | is someone there ? | 22:56 |
| auke | yup | 22:57 |
| niala | SeshuCL: well url have moved | 22:57 |
| auke | firefox was taken out of MeeGo:1.1 repositories earlier | 22:57 |
| auke | you'll need to get an official firefox download or wait for it to be merged in the community OBS | 22:58 |
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| niala | SeshuCL: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Emulator_QEMU or sdk if you are a developper http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 22:58 |
| diablal | ok so I have to download a rpm of firefox, for example from fedora ? and then install it with zypper | 22:59 |
| auke | for instance, yes | 22:59 |
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| niala | or download tar.gz and just ./firefox in good repertory | 23:00 |
| auke | for instance, yes | 23:01 |
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| leinir | Hey, anybody here happen to have a list of the repositories and architectures for them for build.meego.com by any chance? :) | 23:01 |
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| niala | more easy than find a working rpm auke you know joker ;) | 23:02 |
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| leinir | lbt: you permayhaps? ;) | 23:04 |
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| lbt | mmm | 23:04 |
| niala | build.meego.com is closed no? | 23:04 |
| auke | niala: sorry? | 23:04 |
| auke | build.meego.com is not open to the public, yes | 23:04 |
| auke | there is a community OBS instead | 23:05 |
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| niala | auke: well sorry difficult to translate joke | 23:05 |
| lbt | leinir: it's down | 23:05 |
| leinir | auke: not yet... but i'll need information on that as well ;) | 23:05 |
| leinir | lbt: ah, bugger... that does make it difficult ;) | 23:05 |
| niala | community OBS ready ? | 23:06 |
| lbt | pretty much :) | 23:06 |
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| niala | :) I don't know what i will build but I will built it | 23:07 |
| lbt | I have some tasks this weekend... and we have some nasty performance issues still :( | 23:07 |
| leinir | lbt: this information is one of two major pieces of information i need for project bretzn to really start becoming useful for meegons... ;) | 23:07 |
| lbt | ah, it's talking again | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | auke: FEA# about u-boot has been submitted, so it'll take that path | 23:08 |
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| lbt | leinir: ask Stskeeps for a more educated answer | 23:08 |
| lbt | bretzn? | 23:08 |
| leinir | lbt: alright, shall do :) | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's friday evening, there's no educated answers from any danes | 23:09 |
| lbt | pretzels | 23:09 |
| niala | any question my super app whos does nothing must, be in comunity.obs.meego.com or ovistore or intelstore (sorry don't remember the name) arm and atom ? | 23:09 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: It's friday evening, on J-day ;) | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | even wore | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | worse | 23:09 |
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| leinir | lbt: Project Bretzn, dot.kde.org/2010/11/02/frank-karlitschek-introduces-bretzn :) | 23:09 |
| lbt | leinir: you want to build it for meego ? | 23:10 |
| lbt | leinir: did you see my post about OCS ? | 23:10 |
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| leinir | lbt: That's the idea, yeah - and no, i don't think that i did... link me? :) | 23:12 |
| lbt | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/479435.html | 23:12 |
| lbt | <sigh> | 23:12 |
| lbt | archives are broken | 23:12 |
| smithna | Hi, I'm trying to figure out my install/testing stategy on the IVI version of meego. As been noted lots of times, there's no *approved* way to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 -- Is the same true between development builds (ie: updating packages from the daily repo) | 23:12 |
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| leinir | gah... unfun :P i shall try and find the message locally :) | 23:13 |
| lbt | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2010-10/msg00236.html | 23:13 |
| lbt | I cross posted.... no replies but ... | 23:13 |
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| lbt | since KDE uses the OBS generally I thought it'd make sense | 23:15 |
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| lbt | I spoke with our ocs devs (Henri) and we think something can be done to provide an OCS service that sits behind the OBS and dispatches OCS API calls | 23:16 |
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| leinir | Well... that is sort of what Bretzn does, just in a centralised manner, really... | 23:19 |
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| SeshuCL | niala and auke, thanks for helping. :-) | 23:22 |
| niala | SeshuCL: pleased | 23:24 |
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| lbt | leinir: my suggestion was that an app in the meego community app store would provide *an* OCS api url.... and of course the meego 'garage' could provide one if you needed it (most meego only apps) | 23:29 |
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| lbt | I just hope we can have something that's loosely coupled | 23:30 |
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| niala | pfff I do not understand anything about libmeegotouch | 23:30 |
| leinir | *nods* the garage is supposed to speak OCS for upload of content... | 23:30 |
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| * smithna wonders how everyone else test (unless they all use Virtual Environments) | 23:32 | |
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| niala | oh that's new? http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html | 23:36 |
| niala | nice, handy | 23:38 |
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| zdenek | yessssssss | 23:51 |
| zdenek | meego 1.1 live does work. | 23:51 |
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| zdenek | now to reboot, full install. never seen a # with so many people and so little text. perhaps you're all coding. | 23:53 |
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| auke | actually I was scrubbing my bugzillas | 23:54 |
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| niala | tv disturb | 23:59 |
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