IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2010-11-03

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X-Fadeauke: Can you remove that repo and add it again?00:05
aukek...00:05
X-Fadeauke: It didn't have a prjcfg yet :)00:06
StskeepsX-Fade: is cbuild 'open' yet or not? :P00:06
Stskeepsas in regular user updates00:06
aukeX-Fade: ok now it's rebuilding00:06
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aukeStskeeps: I'm on it - just put xfce4 in there00:06
aukethere's a few more ppl interested in putting some stuff out there00:07
X-FadeStskeeps: No, not open yet.00:07
aukeX-Fade: ahh 1.1 isn't resolving00:07
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X-FadeAnd the performance is so bad that we really need to check some more configuration issues.00:07
aukeX-Fade: I assume we don't have 1.1-base repo's setup yet?00:07
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X-Fadeauke: Hmm 1.1 should work, let me check the logs.00:08
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X-Fadeauke: Ah you mean Extras?00:10
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X-Fadeauke: Ah found the issue. Yes, import issue. Need to fix that :)00:16
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aukeX-Fade: I like this. I complain, you fix things. That's a really good relationship!00:24
lbt_in_helhehe00:24
* lbt_in_hel investigates nick hihjacking...00:25
Aardlbt_in_hel: are you in hell, or still in helsinki? :)00:25
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lbt_in_hel?00:25
lbt_cough00:25
lbt_in_helhehe00:25
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Aard(or both)00:26
lbt_in_helAard: doesn't make sense?00:26
lbt_in_helAard: implies a difference00:26
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Aardhelsinki is colder, and closer to a nice place to live? :)00:27
TSCHAKeee2is there a way to get the virtual keyboard under Handset 1.1 ?00:28
* lbt_in_hel really quite likes Helsinki00:30
Aardlbt_in_hel: just another ordinary big european city00:32
lbt_in_helthe area around here is quite pleasant00:33
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lbt_in_hellock00:34
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lbt_in_helsry... touchpad moved focus00:34
Aardyou should visit me in jyvaskyla some day. _that's_ a pleasant area :)00:35
X-Fadeauke: Zal er morgen verder naar kijken, wil graag voor middernacht naar bed want ik moet om zes uur al weer er uit ;)00:38
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aukeX-Fade: aaaaaalright then you can go to bed00:50
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DawnFoster*thankful for Google Translate* :)00:54
X-FadeDawnFoster: Hehe, that tool is getting too smart. Now we lose our secret language advantage :)00:56
DawnFosterhey! I thought you were going to bed?00:56
X-FadeNot yet midnight ;)00:57
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DawnFosterI always wonder how much of the google translated text is accurate and which parts are mangled00:57
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aukerittk: are you around?01:43
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arfollon mic anyone get "IndexError: string index out of range" errors?02:05
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v2pxwhat kind of netbooks are you guys using for development/testing?06:09
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stiv2khi06:42
stiv2ki am unable to install meego 1.106:42
stiv2ki tell it to remove all existing partitions and do the default layout and it says lvm is not supported?06:42
stiv2kwhat should i do?06:42
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stiv2kthe device format of /dev/sda2: lvmpv is not supported06:44
stiv2kthats what it says exactly06:44
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karthikhey guys07:01
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Guest82147anybody worked on new SDK, i am unable to find startmeego07:01
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lollooso I found a way to do triple boot with my N90007:07
lolloo1-meeGo 2-Nitdroid 3-maemo07:07
lollooto boot to MeeGo I used U-boot-pr1307:08
lolloowhen I want to boot to Nitdroid I simply interrupt U-boot07:08
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lollooand then it goes to multiboot where I choose nitdroid or maemo07:09
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ice_Hi, who knows about meego IVI version?07:10
lollooI have it on my N90007:10
lollooalso with maemo and nitdroid07:10
lollooin one phone07:10
lolloowith multiboot07:11
ice_i found the ivihome not support multi-language,07:12
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ice_when set the language to others except english, the ivihome tool bar displays the unrecognized code. But other applications such as terminal are ok, all menu text is translated correctly.07:15
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anttuis it possible to install firefox to meego?08:40
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Jucatoanttu: handset ux uses it already (Firefox Mobile)09:21
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eranioh well :L I really hope that open-/libreoffice would be available from meego garage someday09:34
sofarI'm sure it'll end up in the community OBS09:35
MyrttiI must be a strange person but I wouldn't consider using even Abiword on a netbook09:36
Myrttieven less OpenOffice09:36
Stskeepsvim++09:36
Stskeeps;)09:36
Stskeepsand LaTeX09:37
sofarpeople use meego on laptops09:37
sofarI do09:37
* Jucato just had weird images of meego handset ux on a laptop >.<09:37
sofarobviously not that UX :)09:37
X-FadeThat is what I intend to run on mine though.09:37
JucatoI know. but I couldn't stop my brain from thinking it :D09:37
Myrttisofar: and I wouldn't use OpenOffice on a laptop unless I'd be forced to. (And right now I am, so I had to install it, and abandon my Geany/LaTeX)09:37
sofartbh I do not have office on my meego laptop installed09:38
JucatoI admire (and probably envy) people who hadn't had to deal with human-level word processing and just get away with using something like LaTeX :)09:38
Myrttifirst day impressions: "argh has nobody killed that bloody light bulb yet? ARGH the indents and tabs are all wrong! Good grief this person doesn't know how to use styles! AAAAAAARRRGGGHGHHGHGHGHGH"09:39
Myrtti*bangbangbang*09:39
Myrttithe pain, it doesn't go away09:39
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eraniheh. but I have to say that my gf gave a lot of compliments of the meego UI on my netbook. :P she mainly uses this pc for doing her schoolwork && web browsing, but my main point is that you could say that an office suite is actually a necessity for "normal", layman computer users. an easy installation procedure would be terrific.09:43
Myrttierani: google docs...09:43
eraniand no, doing it via terminal isn't. it might be for me and many others in here but for average joes :D09:43
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Bostika sensible UI for LyX might be an interesting experiment there09:45
eraniindeed :P09:45
Myrttiinteresting compromise09:47
StskeepsLyX on a handset could be interesting09:47
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adeuswell10:06
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adeusI don't know what benefit it would bring knowing the limited screen space10:07
adeuscompared to just write LaTeX with anything10:07
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pupnik_http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio/commits/wsiv_swdev-stable   is this sufficient progress in pulseaudio?10:15
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pupnik_"The audio device is never closed during PA's runtime. That means it cannot10:24
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pupnik_be powered down and PA will always consume a bit of CPU to write silence the10:24
pupnik_device. Effectively that means it will shorten your battery life"10:24
pupnik_- Lennart Poettering 2010-02-2210:24
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wangjandid anybody meet the problem when start ots_worker? File "/usr/local/bin/ots_worker", line 8, in <module>     load_entry_point('ots.worker==0.1dev', 'console_scripts', 'ots_worker')()   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 318, in load_entry_point     return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name)   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2221, in load_entry_point     retur10:38
wangjan File "/usr/local/bin/ots_worker", line 8, in <module>     load_entry_point('ots.worker==0.1dev', 'console_scripts', 'ots_worker')()   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 318, in load_entry_point     return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name)   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2221, in load_entry_point     return ep.load()   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-package10:38
wangjan ImportError: No module named worker.worker10:39
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* Myrtti gives wangjan pastebin.com10:49
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nialahello,10:52
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Myrtticripes, it's that late already10:54
Myrttimore coffee!10:54
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nialaMyrtti: late? I fell off the bed  :)10:54
Myrttialmost lunchtime10:55
nialaplease a kiwi orange juice and a slice of honey Myrtti ..  well have a good day10:58
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nialaseems #meego is sleeping11:12
chem|st~tackle #meego11:13
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nialawhat a shoot!11:13
chem|st~kill me11:14
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linuxcentosjust wondering if there are any news about first mobile phone with Meego ?11:53
linuxcentosexcept N90011:53
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Myrttinews? nos11:55
Myrttirumours? plenty11:55
Myrttiapart from Aava, which is a developer platform, sold at 1900€ each the last I checked11:55
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linuxcentosMyrtti, mm. What?? Sold for 1900$?12:09
linuxcentosMyrtti, what's the rumors about next Meego phone then?12:10
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Myrttilinuxcentos: I don't repeat rumours12:13
Myrttiit's like the old parlor game of broken telephone, sometimes I suspect rumours are started just so that people can have fun with what they end up being12:14
Tumi_I heard north-korean government was building a meego phone!12:18
Tumi_that's one for a rumor =)12:19
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pupnik_how do i see gpu usage in top or something similar?12:33
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slainepupnik_: there's an intel gpu top tool for intel graphics chips12:35
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pupnik_awesome slaine !12:38
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pupnik_http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/intel-gpu-tools-1.0.tar.bz212:39
slaine yup, there should be an rpm in the meego repo's for them too12:39
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linuxcentosMyrtti, ok. When do you think i will be able to buy one Meego phone?12:53
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psycho_oreosQ1 2011?12:58
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Myrttilinuxcentos: there is a quote from the CEO that it'll be in Q1 of 2011 as psycho_oreos said, but I've often found CEO's to be somewhat detached from reality and giving estimates to make the press go away, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that  information either13:37
Myrttilinuxcentos: short answer is "it'll come when it's ready"13:37
Myrttiand with estimates I mean numbers that be either too big or too small13:38
Myrttior too vague13:38
MyrttiI've not heard anyone else than Nokia talk about a MeeGo phone, perhaps there is in some corner of the world someone else building one13:42
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Myrttiworld is a mysterious place my friends13:43
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slaineMyrtti: LG Where originally looking at one, but I don't know if they're still interested or not13:43
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slaine(Was originally a Moblin device)13:44
Myrttislaine: ah, forgot that13:44
Myrttislaine: when was that again?13:44
slaineThis time last year at the IDF it was demo'd13:44
slaineThere's some footage on youtube13:44
slaineThen when meego was announced in February, LG where one of the first to say they'd have a MeeGo phone13:45
slaineHaven't really heard anything since though13:45
slaineIt's been a busy year for me so haven't been as attentive as I'd have liked13:45
Myrttislaine: I was sick on the announcment week and extremely busy after that so I've not followed up too well either13:48
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eraniuh oh. has anyone else experienced some weird freezing with eeepc 1000h? or any other pc from eee-family14:18
eranisomehow after boot the screen distorts and the whole system freezes and i have to do a total reboot14:19
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eranistrangely, windows xp had same issues, but ubuntu didn't14:19
slaineIf it's cross OS installs then it's possible you've got faulty hardware14:21
CosmoHillerani: maybe it's a hardware fault?14:22
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erani-.o' oh well, might be that. at first I thought it could be a driver issue but now to think about it again14:22
* erani is meh14:22
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Sargun_Screenhas anyone here put meego on their n90014:26
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CosmoHillyes, but I'm not one of them14:29
CosmoHillerani: try running memtest86 off a memory stick14:30
chem|stSargun_Screen: had yes14:30
Sargun_Screenchem|st: why only had?14:32
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eraniis there a command to see network hardware's log somehow? my wifi disconnects every now and then too. (I sincerely wish these all wouldn't be hw issues...)14:34
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CosmoHillyour network or internet connection?14:34
chem|stSargun_Screen: far away from usable for me, cannot use wpa2-enterprise, gsm does not support pinlocked sim etc14:35
eraniCosmoHill: might be good to see them both, as I don't know if it is just because of the connection or hw14:35
chem|sterani: you can check with another distributions live pendrive (or just pendrivelinux)14:36
CosmoHillyour wifi could be affected by distance and channel (interference)14:36
eraniCosmoHill: yes, that's possible. right now I see about 20 AP's in this single lecture room...14:40
eranithanks, I'll look into these problems later this evening!14:41
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CosmoHillerani: ah14:53
CosmoHillit's likely you are within range of 2 or 3 APs but they broadcast multiple wifi networks14:54
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linuxcentosMyrtti, ok, thx14:59
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Myrttithese are the moments when I wonder does my dark mysterious past as a wikipedia admin show14:59
linuxcentosis there plans for Meego to support other than Intel graphic cards?14:59
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chem|stlinuxcentos: what do you need?15:02
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linuxcentoschem|st, freedom to use Meego not limited to Intel stuff15:04
Stskeepslinuxcentos: install the right libGL* :)15:04
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chem|stlinuxcentos: you are free to port any drivers you like!15:05
chem|stlinuxcentos: btw nvidia and intel are shagging in the laundry room from time to time...15:06
linuxcentosStskeeps, then it will work15:07
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linuxcentosStskeeps, what about the installation? it won't fail on none Intel gfx cards15:08
linuxcentoschem|st, i didn't get your point about Intel and Nvidia?15:08
Stskeepslinuxcentos: brew your own installation image15:08
linuxcentosStskeeps, ohh, well15:09
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chem|stStskeeps: no generic driver for basic 2D?15:10
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eranihmmh, I tried installing openoffice with this instruction: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=537 yet I'm experiencing some issues with eror message: "Unable to access jar JavaSetup.jar"15:12
eraniI noticed that there's no java yet for meego, so is that instruction an old one?15:13
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eranijarfile*15:13
mooreleeHi ... if I want to contribute to meego as a QA , where do I start from ? I find no relevant info from the webpages. can anyone guide me?15:14
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Myrttiyyyyyy ate too much chocolate15:18
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Myrttimoorelee: there's a mailing list...15:18
mooreleeMyrtti : which one is it ?15:19
Myrttimoorelee: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-qa15:19
mooreleeMyrrti : Thanx. Will check on that.15:20
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marnanelI'm trying to install something on a handset image using zypper, but all the repos (core, handset, netbook, non-oss) are disabled with the error "[|] Repository type can't be determined.".  What am I doing wrong?15:26
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GAN900http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information16:08
GAN900Fill yours in if you'd like.16:08
LynoureCannot go :(16:09
LynoureSucks. :(16:09
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CosmoHillha!16:14
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eranihas anyone managed to install openoffice in meego 1.1?16:31
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lcukmeego sdk using xepyhr - is the video player meant to work or be white screened?17:10
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CosmoHillsalut Alison_Chaiken17:15
Alison_ChaikenHyvaa huomenta, CosmoHill.17:15
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Alison_ChaikenToday is my 3rd-to-last-day at $CURRENTJOB.   I downloaded DawnFoster 's ebook and plan to read it instead of working.17:16
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: sounds like a productive way to procrastinate :) (hope you enjoy it)17:17
CosmoHillmy client split that up into two lines and I read it as "I downloaded DawnFoster"17:17
DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: what are you going to be doing next, since you only have 3 days left at the current gig?17:19
matrixxit's because it really has a space between DawnFoster and 's :)17:19
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CosmoHillah lol17:19
CosmoHillDawnFoster: you know I talked to you a bit about motivation. I've kinda taken your approach only instead of doing a 2 hour section I'll listen to a CD17:20
CosmoHillwhen the CD finishes I'll do something else for a bit17:20
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DawnFosterCosmoHill: sounds like a good way to time it!17:21
CosmoHillat the moment it sounds like Battle for the Sun my Placebo17:22
CosmoHill*by17:22
kt_I will try my luck here with a jack detection/sensing question. I have also posted it at the mailing-list: http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de/msg07853.html17:23
kt_I have made some simple code that should show if headphones are plugged into my pc or not. It works fine on my Ubuntu PC: http://pastebin.com/jwV8NJjk17:23
kt_ It looks for "Jack" in /dev/input/*" and finds: jack found at /dev/input/event13 (HDA Intel HP Out at Ext Left Jack)17:23
kt_ If I do the same thing in Meego it does not find "Jack"17:23
kt_Now I am kind of lost.17:23
Stskeepsperhaps the module for it is not there?17:24
CosmoHilllsmod17:24
kt_The code is based on:  http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/blobs/master/plugins/accessories/wired.c17:24
kt_CosmoHill, when i run the lsmod command i do not get something that looks like a sound card in the list17:25
Stskeepsperhaps it's not enabled in the kernel - does normal sound work?17:26
kt_The audio is working17:26
Stskeepswhat chip is it ?17:26
CosmoHilllspci17:27
kt_thanks, i was just trying to remember it :-)17:28
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kt_Intel 82801G, HDA rev 217:28
kt_Aspire One 250 PC17:29
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kt_CosmoHill, Stskeeps, do you have some advice/suggestions on what to do+17:33
kt_?17:33
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Stskeepskt_: google for jack detection 82801g is what i'd do17:33
Stskeepsmaybe it's just a kernel setting not enabled17:33
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kt_i will do some searching17:38
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Alison_ChaikenDawnFoster, I'm going to work with Tom Miller in Nokia Mobility Solutions here in SF Bay Area.    I look forward to working with all of you at Intel and to meeting a lot of you in Dublin.   I already met Arup Gupta at an IEEE event here last year.18:05
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DawnFosterAlison_Chaiken: awesome! congrats on the new job, and I look forward to working with you!18:06
Alison_ChaikenOn a more technical note, has anyone figured out how to use the virt-* tools with qemugl?   virt-manager, for example, only knows about qemu and xen.18:07
* CosmoHill is doing research the global usage of mobile phones and internet access18:08
smokuln -s qemugl qemu ?18:09
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eraniCosmoHill: sounds interesting18:14
CosmoHillit's taken my 3 weeks to get started :/18:15
smokuX-Fade, any progress with community OBS?18:15
CosmoHillson of a bitch, I make a phone call and "low battery" comes up18:17
CosmoHillI had 3 bars when I made the call18:17
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Myrttisounds like a Nokia phone18:20
Myrttishake it a bit, it should gain atleast one bar18:20
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CosmoHilli think my battery is dying faster and faster18:21
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CosmoHillit would be very nice if my phone could be charged via USB18:23
CosmoHillif I wanted to connect my phone to the PC right now I'd need to move the charger over too because it's low on battery18:23
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TSCHAKeee2is "!!FOO" being used as some sort of i18n marker?18:36
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aukeTSCHAKeee2: yes18:45
StskeepsTSCHAKeee2: usually means 'untranslated'18:46
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slonopotamusFUU!! :D18:46
aukeno !!FUU18:46
TSCHAKeee2okay, is this for i18n keys that are...gotcha.18:46
TSCHAKeee2figured18:46
aukesmoku: community OBS is operational and public deployment is underway18:46
aukelet's say it's in "beta"18:47
TSCHAKeee2did anyone notice the media player's rolodex is a bit hard to tap on? ;)18:47
TSCHAKeee2or...any of media player's UI for that matter18:47
TSCHAKeee2;)18:47
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Stskeepswhat UX?18:48
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TSCHAKeee2Stskeeps: Handset18:49
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TSCHAKeee2i've been trying to use handset and am starting to make some UI notes18:49
TSCHAKeee2the buttons in the media player are _insanely_ small18:50
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Stskeepsreport them as bugs18:50
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TSCHAKeee2*nod* was looking through to see if it had already been reported.18:51
smokuauke, any plans on moving Maemo OBS accounts?18:51
aukesmoku: is not going to happen18:52
aukesmoku: community OBS uses meego.com account information18:52
Stskeepssmoku: it's bloody simple to transfer a project from one obs to another18:52
smokuauke, that's even better :)18:52
Stskeepsif you meant content18:52
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smokuStskeeps, yes. I'm more concerned with content :)18:53
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* TSCHAKeee2 grabs some code18:53
smokuauke, any plans on shutting down Maemo OBS?  i.e. should I backup my packages today?18:53
Stskeepssmoku: i haven't heard of any, but backups are always good18:54
aukeI'm working on MeeGo. I don't know anything about Maemo18:54
Stskeepsi haven't looked recently, but do we have non-restricted wireframe-like artwork packages?18:55
Stskeepsfor people to customize18:55
Stskeepswoo. 360 packages built for my armv6+vfp meego port (which obviously isn't real meego)18:56
slonopotamuswhy they shouldn't?18:56
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xDaReaperxHi19:02
xDaReaperxis there a torrent file for the meego handset release 1.1 for N90019:03
xDaReaperxcause i cant download it directly19:03
Stskeepshttp://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ ?19:03
xDaReaperxcan't find a torrent file there19:04
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smokuwhat are the plans for MeeGo Tablet UI?19:05
Stskeepswell, that's a better target for dl'ing from19:05
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xDaReaperxok19:05
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xDaReaperxMeego still can't be installed without SD card right ?19:06
xDaReaperxi mean even with u-boot19:06
Stskeepsright19:06
xDaReaperxi hope the debian one works19:07
xDaReaperxanyways thanks19:07
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eranioh well, experiencing some strange hiccups again... now there's a white-gray bar at the bottom of the screen with a height of ~20px and I can't remove it anyways, but fullscreen programs seem to adjust their borders by it. so it just takes room from my display. reboot isn't helping... O.o19:45
eraniremove it *in any way19:45
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eranioh, and now the computer goes to sleep even if sleep mode is turned off from power settings. and as I previously said, it freezes when it goes to sleep :L20:04
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eranimeh, wonder if there's a settings file where I could change a value of a parameter or a variable manually20:06
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dvoid_lo20:22
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dvoid_sugestion, make favorite icons (in netbook gui) remember started applications (like in maemo)20:23
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aukedvoid_: suggestions should be filed as bugzilla feature enhancements20:29
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dvoid_auke, ooh, i was hoping my sugestion was so awsome that you guys would just implement it right now ;)20:31
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Skyscraperhello20:50
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Skyscraperhas anyone the shrewvpn_2.2.0_armel.deb from http://www.meego.de/forum/howtos/10848-howto-n900-mit-shrew-vpn-und-fritzbox-ueber-umts.html ?20:51
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saorelHello21:20
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saorelI've just seen the news about meego 1.121:21
saoreland i've a question21:21
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saorelcan i install meego on my sony ericson vivaz pro?21:21
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CosmoHillthat a laptop?21:26
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aukehttp://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-supported-hardware21:27
CosmoHillhey auke, how's it going?21:27
aukegood21:27
aukebusy as hell21:28
saorelCosmoHill: no that's a phone21:28
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saorelthis phone use symbian 621:28
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saorelit looks like n90021:32
Myrttithere is no such version of Symbian21:32
Myrttihowever21:32
Myrttiaccording to gsmarena, it uses Symbian s60v521:32
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saorelI don't find spec of my phone, someone has an idee to test?21:38
TSCHAKeee2saorel: we only have builds for the AAVA CDK, and the Nokia N90021:38
TSCHAKeee2saorel: and at this point, if you're asking these questions, and aren't a systems developer, this version of Handset is not for you.21:39
saorelTSCHAKeee2: :'( ok thanks a lot21:39
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TSCHAKeee2why are you crying? ... Everything is still in development. Even if it did work on your phone, you can't use it day to day.21:40
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saorelyes :D I like test everything, and i like qt so much :D so i'm impatient to try it :D Sorry for my tears :) with a smile that's better :D21:42
saorelI'll come back in few minutes21:43
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vishi21:56
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visI'm having some trouble getting Meego running in virtualbox. I've converted the img to a vdi, and set it as a hard drive image. The live mode freezes with the error "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option"21:57
visanyone know why?21:57
visI've also tried an install onto a seperate, new disk image. It worked fine, rebooted onto that disk, but froze at the end of the new user setup21:58
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viswith no error that time.21:58
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Guest27402i'm looking for the KickStart file for building meego in a Beagleboard/DevKit8000. but in the meego-Wiki the linkls to the files are broken. Does anybody knows if the project is still being support?22:00
wmaronemight want to ask in #meego-arm22:00
stephgGuest27402: hop on over to #meego-arm AFAIK people are still tinkering with it22:00
Guest27402stephg: thanks22:02
Guest27402wmarone: i will look there thaks22:02
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wa7ed_6ybHI22:14
wa7ed_6ybHLLLOOOO22:14
wa7ed_6ybHELLOOOO22:14
wa7ed_6yb@@22:15
wa7ed_6ybNO BODY THERE22:15
Myrttiwhat's up?22:15
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wa7ed_6ybHELLLOOOO22:15
wa7ed_6yb??22:15
wa7ed_6ybI'm from kuwait22:15
wa7ed_6yband i have N90022:16
Myrttia-ha?22:16
CosmoHillyou also have coffee by the sound of it22:16
wa7ed_6yb!!22:16
wa7ed_6yb:S22:16
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wa7ed_6ybyou want me laugh??22:17
wa7ed_6yb@@22:17
Myrttican you please not use the enter-key so much?22:17
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wa7ed_6ybi tuaght this is a meego channel22:17
CosmoHillthis is the meego channel22:17
wa7ed_6ybso why you are not speak well with me22:18
wa7ed_6yb!!22:18
CosmoHillyou haven't asked a question22:18
wa7ed_6ybi have a lot of questions22:19
wa7ed_6ybbut i think that i have to say hi at the first!!!!!22:19
lcukwa7ed_6yb, did you add the "meego support" fee onto your ISP account bill?22:19
wa7ed_6ybno i don't22:19
lcuk:(22:19
CosmoHillhow old are you?22:19
wa7ed_6ybi'm not developer22:20
wa7ed_6yb2122:20
Myrttiwa7ed_6yb: calm down and ask your questions then22:20
wa7ed_6ybi'm only love maemo now and i hope that meego will be better22:20
wa7ed_6ybMyrtti i'm not talking with u !!!!! @@22:20
Myrttialrighty then...22:21
wa7ed_6ybnothing22:21
lcukMyrtti, does you 770 still see action?22:21
wa7ed_6ybthis is not  ur channel22:21
wmaronewa7ed_6yb: not yours either ;)22:21
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wa7ed_6ybi know that22:22
CosmoHillwa7ed_6yb: actually...22:22
Myrttilcuk: it's in Cambs in Duncan's bedside drawer, and my N800 is fairly dead at the moment22:22
wa7ed_6yband i respect my self here22:22
wa7ed_6ybbut Myrtti didn't respect guests22:22
lcukwhats it doing in the drawer?22:22
lcukwa7ed_6yb, Myrtti is more respectful than many folks around here22:22
CosmoHillMyrtti: > me22:23
Myrttilcuk: waiting for his "Big Idea"22:23
wa7ed_6ybyou want me to leave this channel22:23
lcuknot at all wa7ed_6yb22:23
wa7ed_6ybbecause all of u don't want me here :(22:23
lcukof course we do, you came in with questions: so ask them22:23
wmaroneo_O22:24
Myrttiwa7ed_6yb: so, you've said hello, I've said hello, you've said "I've got questions" and we've asked you to ask them22:24
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wa7ed_6ybfirst, what is new on meego better than maemo?22:24
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lcukyou want the short or the long answer?22:24
CosmoHillshort, then long22:25
wa7ed_6ybshort22:25
aukea lot22:25
wa7ed_6ybi see now maemo is the best22:25
lcukmaemo is completely awesome you are right22:25
aukeI agree22:25
lcukbut maemo will not run on oodles of hardware :(22:25
wa7ed_6yband i feel comfortable with it on browsing and applications games chatting22:26
lcukmeego will.22:26
wa7ed_6ybmmm22:26
lcukif you want your favorite applications in meego, help out22:26
aukemeego is still in heavy development, and may be less usable for normal users than Maemo22:26
lcuk:)22:26
wa7ed_6ybbut i don't have any experiece22:27
wa7ed_6ybi only go on website mobil4arab22:27
Myrttithen wait for others to develop it further22:27
lcuk:) you are young enough to learn22:27
wa7ed_6yband copy x-terminal commands22:27
wa7ed_6ybcan i be developer?22:27
* lcuk shudders22:27
lcukwa7ed_6yb, you can be anything you want to be.22:27
lcuka whole life ahead of yourself.22:28
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aukeeveryone can be a meego developer22:28
wa7ed_6ybbut i think it's vert difficult22:28
wa7ed_6ybspecially with meego22:28
lcukerrr maybe not auke - have you seen GAN900's coding attempts :P22:28
lcukwa7ed_6yb, its very difficult anywhere to be a developer22:28
wa7ed_6ybthats right22:29
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wa7ed_6ybso how can i start?22:29
lcukbut just like in life, there are a range of roles and tasks which may suit you more22:29
CosmoHillcan you program?22:29
wa7ed_6ybprogram what??22:29
CosmoHillanything22:29
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wa7ed_6ybme only downloading from extra devel22:30
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wa7ed_6ybi think that you know osama007??22:30
GAN900lcuk, what coding attempts?22:30
CosmoHillI mean to be a development it's pretty much a requirement that you can program?22:30
lcukGAN900, my point.22:30
MyrttiCosmoHill: wrong22:30
wa7ed_6yb?22:31
lcukhey javispedro \o22:31
Myrttidocumentation, graphics, themes, advocacy, events...22:31
lcukwa7ed_6yb, if you are overwhelmed by the thought of helping with programming, then read the instructions on how to get started and process them properly and try them out22:31
Myrtticommunity efforts22:31
wa7ed_6ybok22:32
lcukand if you encounter errors or omissions they can be fixed with your help of detailed bug reports22:32
wa7ed_6ybso where the instructions22:32
wa7ed_6yb?22:32
Myrttioh yes, filing bug reports22:32
lcukwiki.meego.com22:32
javispedrohi lcuk, all22:32
wa7ed_6ybthanks22:32
CosmoHillhey javispedro22:32
wa7ed_6yband i'm sorry fot annoying all22:32
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lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N90022:33
lcukhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N90022:33
wa7ed_6ybthanks22:34
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wa7ed_6ybi'll be backk22:34
TSCHAKeee2great22:34
wa7ed_6ybi'm sorry22:34
CosmoHilllol22:34
wa7ed_6yb?22:34
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CosmoHillnot many people apologise after saying that will return22:35
wa7ed_6ybi didn't understand22:35
wa7ed_6yb?22:35
CosmoHilldon;t worry22:35
wa7ed_6ybok22:35
wa7ed_6ybi'll install meego1.1 on my n90022:36
lcukwa7ed_6yb, i have asked most people today:  whats the weather like where you are?22:36
TSCHAKeee2oh boy22:36
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TSCHAKeee2i wish there was a diplomatic way of saying22:37
TSCHAKeee2"If you're asking these questions, you shouldn't use it yet."22:37
CosmoHillmaybe that should be the test22:37
lcukTSCHAKeee2, bah22:37
CosmoHillyou can help us develop for the N900 if you can install it without any help22:37
lcukCosmoHill, well thats me bollocked up then22:38
CosmoHillme too, I bearly have a nokia22:38
lcuki needed help to get it started, but that help also shaped more of the documentation22:38
CosmoHilllet alone a n90022:38
lcukTSCHAKeee2, how many people can do a full install of mce?22:41
TSCHAKeee2we have roughly 1000 users.22:41
CosmoHillWindows has many users but most of them can't install an AV let alone Windows22:42
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lcuki meant more fraction of people who manage it vs those that can't22:42
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TSCHAKeee2mostly the ones that don't, are the ones who deliberately don't follow instructions22:43
* lcuk thinks documenting the processes and simplifying them is essential22:43
TSCHAKeee2yup it is22:43
CosmoHillindeed22:43
TSCHAKeee2it's taking us a long time to do both22:43
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lcukwell TSCHAKeee2 - talking about turning people away doesn't help that :P22:43
cobra-the-jokerhey guys ... what about b43 support in 1.1 ??22:44
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CosmoHilllcuk: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter05/generalinstructions.html22:44
CosmoHilldo you see the 3rd yellow box?22:44
CosmoHillor the grey box at the bottom?22:44
lcuk"[!] Note, you must be wearing underpants before installing this software" ?22:45
CosmoHillthat's a recommendation, not a requirement22:45
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CosmoHillbut yes, if you can read that page it makes you a minority22:45
CosmoHilllots of people skip over that page onto the next and then get stuck22:46
Myrttimy eyes glazed after four first words22:46
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CosmoHillalso people thank me for my "hints" which are really just glorified sh scripts22:46
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lcukps CosmoHill22:47
lcukthat final greybox22:47
lcuk3c22:47
lcuksays "   c. Follow the book's instructions for building the package.22:47
lcuk"22:47
lcukthe it says delete it22:47
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lcuka sadist might say, when does it get installed?22:48
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CosmoHillah I see22:48
CosmoHilleach page installs it but I see what you mean22:48
lcukthe scariest part of that22:49
lcukis i understand most of what its going on about!22:49
lcuk:P22:49
CosmoHillyay22:49
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lcukits pushed out so much good stuff tho22:49
TSCHAKeee2me too, but it's very rough.22:49
lcukhowever will i win at christmas simpsons trivia now!22:49
CosmoHill"rough"? that's very bad22:50
lcukits an outline22:50
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lcukTSCHAKeee2, perhaps similar newbies guide to how you can help" would be better to steer someone towards22:51
lcukrather than pushing them away22:51
CosmoHillon LFS with some users, you can see people drop out of supporting them22:51
TSCHAKeee2*nod*22:51
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CosmoHillso 5 or 6 people start helping them and it ends up with just me and the user in a very quiet channel22:52
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lcukCosmoHill, it happens everywhere22:53
TSCHAKeee2it does.22:53
* lcuk used to go through phases with customers spending hours on the phone22:54
TSCHAKeee2it has slowly been improving with us, as more people dig in and help22:54
CosmoHillthat's cool22:54
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CosmoHillwe have a decent set of regulars, two of which I've promoted to ops22:54
TSCHAKeee2we get a new dev that digs in roughly every 9 months22:54
CosmoHill9 months you say...?22:55
TSCHAKeee2yup22:55
Myrttisounds organic ;-)22:55
TSCHAKeee2they typically work in 3 month stretches, then they go away for a bit, and come back22:55
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TSCHAKeee2where we really have issue is we have very few people willing to dig into the C++ parts of the code22:57
_MeeGoBot_c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.22:57
* TSCHAKeee2 chuckles22:57
TSCHAKeee2but we did get a new guy, a few weeks ago who has been helping us smash bugs.. so i am glad22:57
lcukhulk angry,22:58
TSCHAKeee2once we get the bugs out of our bug queue, i'll spend serious time writing site copy, documentation,22:58
lcukhulk smash bugs22:58
TSCHAKeee2hehehe22:58
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dnearyHi22:58
lcukhi dneary \o22:58
dnearyAnyone here know Valgrind well?22:58
* lcuk opens a bottle of something22:59
dnearylcuk, You do, I know you do22:59
* TSCHAKeee2 runs for cover22:59
lcukDawnFoster, fly over to the UK, its evening time, you can start now!22:59
lcukdneary, nope22:59
dnearylcuk, I bet you could explain how to profile an application & fix a performance issue with Valgrind22:59
lcuki do not know valgrind because it did not work on arm22:59
dnearyTSCHAKeee2, Are you going to Dublin?22:59
lcuki just made my code work when i did it23:00
dnearylcuk, You use it on x86 to find problems23:00
TSCHAKeee2dneary: nope, my travel budget has been completely deflated...23:00
TSCHAKeee2i will make it to the next one tho.23:00
dnearyHmmm... still short a valgrind tutorialler23:00
lcukdneary, that assumed that the x86 xephyr or qemu would use YUV which I needed23:00
lcuki really have no experience with valgrind23:00
DawnFosterlcuk: excellent idea :)23:01
* TSCHAKeee2 has bounced around the planet going to concerts..and I have another 6 more to go, including seeing The Fall, in London on the 23rd23:01
lcukdneary, I will be running into valgrind more often tho :)23:01
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lcukDawnFoster, actually, if you just set your clock to Euro zone, you can say you are tele-drinking in a conference!23:02
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lcukvalgrind on arm was something i recall reading23:05
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javispedrolcuk: yeah, it was completed not long ago23:05
javispedrowell, "completed".23:06
lcukthe website is out of date also then23:06
lcukhttp://valgrind.org/info/platforms.html23:06
CosmoHillTSCHAKeee2: how hard is the C++ you're talking about?23:07
javispedrohttp://valgrind.org/docs/manual/dist.news.html23:07
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TSCHAKeee2CosmoHill: it's not...hard.. there's just a lot of it23:13
CosmoHillah23:13
TSCHAKeee2CosmoHill: we have a lot of interconnecting parts23:13
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dnearyJaffa, Ping?23:53
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