IRC log of #meego for Thursday, 2010-09-02

qgil_anyway, today I had enough with the Marketing decision  :)  I'll go do some homework - thank you everybody for the input00:00
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sivangqgil_: see if you and maclaver can put something on google docs for sharing00:00
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sivangqgil_: re the proposal of the WG00:00
sivangqgil_: and send the link to the ML :)00:00
qgil_sivang: google docs when we have wiki.meego.com?00:01
sivangqgil_: oh right :)00:01
sivangsorry00:01
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sivangqgil_: it was out of habit :-p00:01
thiago_homeqgil_: if I manage to get anything done in my Qt on MeeGo presentation, I'll send to you too00:01
sivangre app deveopment: we should also try and make python another good offering, or at least market and presentate this offering00:02
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sivangthe pyside team are doing amazing work00:02
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sivangmore options for app developers, even if they are not C++ or qt experienced00:02
qgil_sivang: the old proposal is http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Development_working_group - now only a possible starting point00:02
thiago_homesivang: yeah00:02
thiago_homeqgil_: sorry, going back to the part where you asked for someone from the Qt team00:02
Wingzero1234Question, has anyone been faced with a issue that Xserver doesn't start?00:02
thiago_homeqgil_: could you clarify? It went by and I didn't answer.00:03
maclaverOkay, I will work with Quim on the proposal but it will be next week before anything concrete can be done....00:03
maclaverI have to go now, thanks for the discussion.00:03
sivangqgil_: you guys going to cotninue drafting there?00:03
sivangcheers maclaver00:03
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sivangthiago_home: so to get a feel for app development in no time, through python. I need to google about app inventor for andriod00:04
qgil_thiago_home: I would like to know if the team in charge of the Qt developer tools would see a Developer Experience WG as something useful and needed in the MeeGo project00:04
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qgil_in the lines that we have (well, we will have) Handset UX WG, Netbook UX WG and etc thiago_home00:04
thiago_homeqgil_: what would that WG do?00:05
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thiago_homeqgil_: work on improving the developer experience (meaning tools, releases, etc.) ?00:05
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qgil_thiago_home: own the roadmap of teh MeeGo developer offering and filling the Program Office with features, just like the other WGs do with their own areas00:05
thiago_homefor example, "we need a tool to package simple apps" ?00:06
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qgil_thiago_home: now the developer offering roadmap is owned by... who? it's not dependent of any device category00:06
thiago_home"we need an RPC mechanism to submit OSS apps to the distro" ?00:06
qgil_thiago_home: for example: the official developer toolkits are these, the official tools are that, this feature in the SDK needs to go to the next release00:06
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thiago_homeok00:07
qgil_this is the work the WGs will do for the different UXs, but nobody seems to really handle the planning of the Developer Experience00:07
thiago_homeyes, I think they'd be interested in participating00:07
thiago_homeand I think they'd see value00:07
thiago_homehowever, I think the I-program (Harmattan+1) would be even more interested00:07
thiago_homeif nothing else, the goals of the MeeGo SDK can't be completely divergent from the Nokia SDK00:08
qgil_for instance, nowadays... who decides whether QML is the new rock&roll and therefore we need to have everythign ready for it? Not the Handset etc UX groups, the program office can improvise on short term execution but... the TSG directly<'00:08
qgil_?00:08
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thiago_homeI see00:08
thiago_homea) I think there's a lot of value in that WG00:09
thiago_homeb) I don't know who with OSS background could be in that team...00:09
qgil_for you to think about - and again this is beyond Nokia since the same appies to whoever is developing the next generation of netbooks, IVIs, TVs and what not00:09
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thiago_homeyes, it's definitely beyond Nokia00:09
pupnikofftopic: i see audi going to use tegra chipset in next cars - is MeeGo a candidate?00:10
thiago_homebut it should be aligned with the Nokia offering. Or should I say, the Nokia offering should be aligned with this? (plus Symbian on the side)00:10
thiago_homepupnik: are they Genivi-alliance?00:10
qgil_people involved in WGs need to have strong background in product management and roadmapping, more than OSS per se, but of course being an OSS insider does help00:10
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sivangthe goals could start with the Nokia SDK and expand00:10
pupnikdunno thiago_home - just seems like a nice alternative for car apps - all the HW you want is in there...00:11
qgil_MeeGo is upstream and Nokia productizes - if the Qt team is seruious about governance then Qt & MeeGo go first, then Nokia and other Qt vendors go after that00:11
qgil_anyway, vendors are supposed to be stakeholders in the WGs00:11
qgil_they are the ones actually investing and selling those products00:11
* thiago_home agrees00:12
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DawnFosterqgil_ WGs are usually made up almost exclusively of vendors00:12
DawnFosteris that what you're intending with this WG?00:12
qgil_DawnFoster: yes, it's more "jargon" with thiago_home : whoever he thinks of has a Nokia badge anyway, so is a vendor00:12
sivangthose vendors will have developers with development experience to shape the experience, right?00:12
DawnFostermy point is more that if you are looking for a vendor group to define requirements - a WG is a good way to go00:13
qgil_sivang: of course, they sit in WGs to do real work, and they get the seats there because of concrete involvement in the MeeGo project in the first place00:13
DawnFosterif you are looking for lots of participation from a variety of people in the community, you should call it a project or a team00:13
qgil_DawnFoster: the WG I'm talking about should have people from companies agreeing on what the MeeGo developer offering needs to be now and in the future00:14
DawnFosterusually WGs have companies as members - one person leaves and is replaced by another corporate representative00:15
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DawnFosterif you want individuals participating based on the knowledge in their head, you should go a different route00:15
qgil_DawnFoster: I want to test bed with the Qt team at Nokia since they of course know about the MeeGo developer tools - if they see this exercise pointless then it is for me pointless to push it00:15
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DawnFosterpersonally, I'm not a fan of WGs for community stuff00:16
qgil_DawnFoster: I'm talking about real roadmapping, WG work00:16
sivangqgil_: but we have to make sure we keep contact with the non vendor community eventually, but starting with the qt team is a good shot00:17
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DawnFosterformal teams and projects chartered with actually getting stuff done with minimal overhead are a better way to go.00:17
thiago_homeI don't know if this needs to be a WG or what00:17
thiago_homeit needs to be a group of people who can plan features and go to the people who can make those features to convince them00:17
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qgil_thiago_home: this is a simple definition of a working group00:18
DawnFosterwe should also talk to the SDK team, since they are holding regular meetings and doing a lot of what you guys are talking about starting: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK00:18
thiago_homesounds like the SDK team to me, in fact00:19
qgil_thiago_home: "The working groups are devoted to strategic discussions in specific areas and are accountable to provide input and guidance about requirements, direction, policies, and conflict resolution, within their area of responsibility."00:19
qgil_http://meego.com/about/governance00:19
qgil_nowadays the developer office falls in nobody's land00:19
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qgil_developer experience, I mean  :)00:19
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thiago_homeI can think of a lot of names, but everyone extremely busy...00:20
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qgil_DawnFoster: in that page: "Team  lorem ipsum... ", in the governance page there are no mention of SDK either - as you see there is a problem00:20
sivangqgil_: what about just havnig a few people of the SDK team to deal with communicating with the "outside" world for requirements and diection?00:20
DawnFosterqgil_ look at the meeting minutes00:20
vljwell sorry I found mic for meego00:21
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DawnFosterthey are making real progress and meeting every week00:21
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DawnFosterthe governance pages aren't done00:21
DawnFosterthe real solution is to get SDK/developer experience in the governance structure00:21
DawnFosterwith someone leading it00:21
qgil_DawnFoster: of course, and the Program Office is developing a second release without any WG created - still the MeeGo project considers that WG are needed with the responsibilities described in the governance pages00:22
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Wingzero1234Question has anyone here got Meego to boot on a beagleboard?00:22
DawnFosterqgil_ as I said, you can try to get another WG approved, but I think your chances are unlikely00:22
qgil_DawnFoster: someone needs to roadmap the whole developer experience, from the compiler and APIs to the SDK, documentation and distribution channels00:23
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qgil_getting the TSG to recognize the problem would be progress already00:23
DawnFosterqgil_: agreed, I'm just saying that it belongs in the main governance structure, just like we have people responsible for release management00:24
qgil_DawnFoster: but god point,  if the meego-sdk people is not convince then there is no point trying to convince anybody else  :)00:24
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vljpupnik: do you know if it is possible to build a meego image for tegra ?00:25
thiago_homevlj: you need to get the GL drivers from NVidia00:25
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vljthere are00:25
thiago_homevlj: also check with them if there are any kernel patches and modules that are necessary00:25
vljthere are kernel patches necessary :)00:26
thiago_homeaside from that, it might just work00:26
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thiago_homevlj: I'm asking you.00:26
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sivangthis is rather interesting discussion, but I have one more day of fighting with rsyslog tomorrow, good night00:26
vljwhat I'm afraid is : does tegra A9 cortex core works with armv7 built meego image ?00:26
sivangqgil_: I apologise if I Asked alrady, are you guys gonna draft over that wiki page?00:26
sivangqgil_: if so, I'll subscribe00:27
thiago_homevlj: yes. The ARMv7 build is optimised for Cortex-A8.00:27
sivangqgil_: re: marketing plan00:27
thiago_homevlj: A9 should be a no problem00:27
vljarm is backward compatible ?00:27
thiago_homeyeah00:27
vljok00:27
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vljis there a way to have a X-less meego ?00:27
thiago_homeno00:28
sivangoh well, never mind, I'll expoect a ML thread when a new draft is out.00:28
thiago_homeif you remove X, it's no longer called MeeGo00:28
sivangnight thiago_home , others.00:28
thiago_homesivang: g'night00:28
qgil_sivang: I'll update the wiki pages and then send an update to meego-community00:28
thiago_homeqgil_: are  you already in the US?00:28
qgil_thiago_home: yep00:28
vljwell, just to test if everything works except gl driver00:28
thiago_homeqgil_: MountainView?00:28
qgil_thiago_home: here right now00:29
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vljis Meego still meego with a non 2.6.33 kernel ?00:31
vljwith a patched kernel00:31
thiago_homevlj: patched is ok00:31
thiago_homenot using one of the components, not ok00:31
vljok00:31
thiago_homeusing a different version, I don't know00:31
CosmoHillhow long did it take you guys to share a folder with samba and be able to write to it?00:31
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thiago_homeCosmoHill: back in 1998 when I installed Samba for the first time, several hours :-)00:32
vljCosmoHill: depends on if you have a windows server or not00:32
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CosmoHillubuntu and windows laptop00:32
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DawnFosterqgil_: it looks like veli & bspencer already own defining the developer offering00:32
vljso it's taking a lot of time00:32
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DawnFosterwe should turn this decision over to them & get one of them nominated on the governance page00:33
DawnFosterthey really should be driving it00:33
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vljby the way can I suggest meego developper to include dkms ? :)00:33
thiago_homevlj: you can :-)00:34
DawnFosterthiago_home: Kaksonen00:34
CosmoHilli think I'm up to two hours with this guy atm00:34
vljbecause it is usefull00:34
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thiago_homevlj: dkms would be useful for things like the broadcom driver00:34
vljfor instance for nvidia module, emgd module...00:34
vljI'm already using it on my "customised" Meego00:34
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vljthere is some "openFATE" equivalent for meego ?00:35
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thiago_homeI've heard that name, but I don't know what it does00:37
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thiago_homeisn't it a requirements-tracking system?00:37
vljerr00:37
vljit is a "place" to put suggestion from community00:37
qgil_DawnFoster: I know, but based on what input? The features for 1.1 were not defined by them but by Sami/Hillarie, and based on what input? It's complicated.  :)00:37
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vljhttps://features.opensuse.org/00:38
DawnFosterqgil_ My point is that since they own it, they need to define their own process for requirements gathering.00:38
DawnFosterqgil_ You can make suggestions for them, but you shouldn't be trying to drive their process00:38
thiago_homevlj: no, only Bugzilla00:38
DawnFosterqgil_ Then you should be working with them on marketing, messaging & promotion for what they've defined.00:39
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qgil_DawnFoster: we hit many times this type of stone. it's ok to propose ideas to others even if you are not owning or directing their areas - some ideas fly, some don't00:39
vljok00:40
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bspencerhi DawnFoster00:40
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qgil_Veli and Ronan actually have been trying to push a developer WG, other think it would be a good idea as well. Having a discussion doesn't harm00:40
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bspenceryes.  Veli has proposed an org structure with owners and we are working on people00:41
qgil_hi bspencer00:41
bspencerhi qgil_00:41
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qgil_what I was saying is that the OS and UX development is guided by the steering and roadmapping of the device UX working groups (in the future, when they are created)00:42
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qgil_but the roadmapping of the developer experience seems to fall in nobody's land, while it's critical for everybody00:42
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bspenceran SDK WG is underway.00:43
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qgil_we have the figure of the WG for guidance and requirements, and this is why there is this idea that the developer experience (whicvh includes plenty of UX on its own) would need a WG as well participated by the main corporate stakeholders and experts00:43
qgil_bspencer: great, then I just need to sync with you and help this idea happening00:43
bspencerdiscussions abt the "developer experience" are happening in our weekly online meetings.  We just having formalized the WG people.00:43
bspenceryes,  with Veli or me.00:44
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bspencer http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Meetings   and http://piratepad.net/thYHTcAtxF    for a bit of background00:44
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bspencerwe have just recently said "we need a special meeting on the new web structure from ronan along with doc roadmap"00:45
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qgil_bspencer: it would also help to have someone formally appointed to coordinate the whole work00:46
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DawnFosterqgil_: in general, we need to get the governance structure finalized00:46
DawnFosterthere are a lot of placeholders and empty spaces00:47
bspencerqgil_,  yes, that is where veli and I are arm wrestling a bit.  But we will have that within the week, along with owners for major SDK components00:47
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qgil_bspencer: this sounds like very good progress, thank you00:47
DawnFosternot just in SDK - even the netbook PM hasn't been nominated :)00:47
qgil_DawnFoster: sure sure, but since bspencer is here...  :)00:48
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DawnFosterqgil_: just a reminder that we should be arm wrestling more than just the SDK team :)00:49
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bspencerI'm not sure if SDK should be a working group, or a component of the Core WG00:49
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bspencerperhaps a review of how we want this to work would be helpful00:49
qgil_(there is no Core WG)00:50
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bspencerwe accept requirements from many places, but Core WG is a primary director00:50
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bspencerhm.  Well, there is netbook, handheld, etc.  Isn't there something driven by Gavin?00:50
bspencerI expose my ignorance00:50
DawnFosterwe have a core OS program: http://meego.com/about/governance/program-office/core-os-program00:51
DawnFosterit's not called a WG00:51
qgil_bspencer: see the diagram at http://meego.com/about/governance00:51
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qgil_the WGs set the requirements for the Program Office00:52
bspencerwhat is Gavin's role now?00:52
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qgil_the Program Office makes sure the requirements are done where needed00:52
bspencer"MeeGo Core Product Manager"00:52
qgil_this means that the Core program gets requirements indirectly, when feature X Y Z needs to be implemented in a UX layer00:52
qgil_WGs are organized by UX categries, so they look after the UX, good00:52
Wingzero1234hmmmm00:53
qgil_but... who looks at the developer offering? The Core Program is not getting much requirements from UX categories point of view and this means that they need to guess a lot00:53
DawnFosterqgil_ We probably need a Developer Offering Program Manager00:54
DawnFosterit's just not in the structure yet00:54
qgil_MTF? QML? Qt API? Which GCC? Promotoe platform API... all the rpoblems you bspencer have to deal every day00:54
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bspencerI've received requirements from handheld, tablet, and tv groups, along with intern Intel groups like tools and AppUp.00:54
DawnFosterwas just talking to Imad - he knows that we still need to get the rest of the roles / nominations finished00:54
bspencerbut these aren't coming through WGs.  Perhaps that is what we are trying to fix00:54
aukeDawnFoster: just keep me off any list ;)00:54
qgil_bspencer: not to talk about Ovi? AppUp? White label MeeGo shops? There are no known MeeGo plans about this atm00:54
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DawnFosterauke: dang, I was going to put you on the list of people who do all of the work :)00:55
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qgil_anyway, my little point has been exposed and it's good to see that bspencer veli etc are working to fix this00:56
bspencerif SDK becomes a WG will that introduce a lot of new headaches for us?  :)00:56
qgil_if the solution is a WG or else, I actually don't mind as long as the MeeGo developer experience is excellent00:56
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bspenceragree00:57
aukeDawnFoster: oh, that's cool. assign all bugs to me00:57
qgil_bspencer: my point is that WG vs Program Office are defining the usual relationship between product management and R&D00:57
thiago_homebspencer: isn't that what all WGs do? :-P00:57
thiago_homej/k00:57
* thiago_home agrees with qgil_ that we need a team who is thinking of the big-picture-SDK00:57
bspencerthiago_home, dictators always fear democracy00:57
thiago_homeit won't be possible to do in the first iteration, but it's a long-team goal00:58
thiago_homeit doesn't have to be a lot of people, nor do they have to meet frequently00:59
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qgil_the first year f the MeeGo project has shown that the program office doesn't WGs to have releases, but how good is this for the long term  :)00:59
qgil_anyway, I really need to do some concrete work in my little area now  :)00:59
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qgil_thanks for the interestingg discussion00:59
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bennryI apologize in advance for the cut/paste.01:09
bennry<bennry> Hi guys. [08:03] <bennry> I have a question about mic-image-creator [08:03] <bennry> I'm trying to use it to create a .raw image for the N900 using the daily build repo [08:04] <bennry> I'm using the handset-armv7l-n900.ks file from the meego GIT tree. [08:04] == s1gk1ll [sigkill@cl-188.lis-01.pt.sixxs.net] has joined #meego-arm [08:04] == s1gk1ll [sigkill@cl-188.lis-01.pt.sixxs.net] has left #meego-arm [] [08:04] <bennry> and01:09
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bennrythen doing disc dump (dd) to get that .raw image to a 4GB Kingston SD card. [08:05] <bennry> back cover is on [08:05] <bennry> I run flasher-3.5 to flash the vmlinux kernel that's created. [08:05] <bennry> and it fails every time to boot the file system [08:05] <bennry> I've done this over and over. [08:06] <bennry> I've even used the prebuilt images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php [08:06] <bennry> include every .k01:15
bennrythe only image that works is the "Closed" raw image [08:06] <bennry> which only boots to a bash shell on the N900 [08:06] <bennry> any suggestions would be helpful.01:15
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bennrythat's all of the questions I just posed in #meego-arm01:16
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bennrynobody home?01:40
CosmoHillhey01:40
CosmoHillI'm the cleaner01:41
bennryhaha!  Nice.01:41
CosmoHillthe kid's are doing a performace of snow white at school01:41
CosmoHillthey'll be home later in the evening01:41
bennrythank you, sir.01:41
aukebennry: I'm definately not at home... no couch here, no kids, cats, wife etc.01:42
* auke stuck at work01:42
CosmoHillsounds like a hoilday01:44
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pupniksmoke em if ya got em01:46
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CosmoHillauke: you're in america right?01:47
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CosmoHill(or at least near a coffee machine)01:47
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bennryCan you guys read my questions above?01:49
aukeCosmoHill: US yes, long walk from decent coffee tho01:50
CosmoHillthat's what robots are for01:50
CosmoHillbennry: yep01:50
CosmoHilldoesn't mean I know the answer tho01:50
bennryactually, I'm trying to use flasher-3.5 to flash the kernel on an N900.  Is there a way I can get the kernel messages out on the terminal?01:51
bennryor are they only in dmesg after boot or on screen wtihout a backlight?01:51
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pupnikis the bootinfo in /var/log somewhere?01:52
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CosmoHillwhat's this I hear about new SSDs tomorrow?02:05
aukenew ssd's?02:05
CosmoHillhttp://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4971302:05
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aukeinteresting02:11
aukeI can tell you one thing: Dawn won't be able to answer that :)02:11
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DawnFosteryeah, what auke said :)02:14
DawnFosteranyway, I work in the software side of Intel - I have no idea what they are doing with the hardware02:15
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CosmoHilldamn02:15
DawnFosterand if I did, I couldn't tell you :) but I don't02:15
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CosmoHillif I knew of a new product and people asked me I'd tell them02:18
CosmoHillI wouldn't tell them the truth02:18
lcukDawnFoster, you are op, you can tell him, but then you would have to kline him afterwards :D02:18
CosmoHillmake something up ever so slightly different and see who reports what02:19
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DawnFosterha!02:19
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CosmoHill"yeah yeah the SSD drive is amazing. He's a special feature I'm not meant to tell anyone until it's realease02:20
CosmoHill"it charges your batteries when the screen saver is on"02:20
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CosmoHillI'm kinda used to being kicked out of some channels02:23
CosmoHillI was banned for the duration of my GCSE study leave02:24
csdbbennry: can't help you on your questions, but you might have better luck posting them in 12 hours or so. My guess is that the folks in Finland might be able to better answer them...02:24
CosmoHilland they will have had coffee with their lunch so they'll be alert too02:25
CosmoHilllike meerkats!02:25
bennrycsdb - unfortunately, I don't look at computers when I'm away from work02:26
bennryI'll just wait until tomorrow's meeting :)02:26
bennrywith you guys aparently.02:26
CosmoHillthey're a meeting?02:26
CosmoHillthere's*02:26
csdbyeah, I guess 9am there is in 8 hours or so02:26
bennrymaybe02:27
* csdb thinks the world should be flat and without timezones. All bright, then all dark. Rinse and repeat02:27
CosmoHilla large rotating disc?02:28
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CosmoHillif we were a large rotating disc, do you think humans would develop on the other side?02:29
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pupniki think women would look funny with their boobs off to one side02:30
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pupnikofftopic02:30
CosmoHilloff balance too02:30
DawnFosterok, people02:31
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CosmoHilllbt: how was this morning's meeting?02:32
lcukCosmoHill, put something on a record player and set it spinning02:32
CosmoHilldan le sac va scroobius pip has something groove locked02:33
CosmoHillI could put that on02:33
lcukhumans would develop out in deep space02:33
lcukcos we would fly off it02:33
CosmoHilldepends on what axis it rotated on02:34
bennrycan I use people's names in real life?02:34
CosmoHillyou could try02:34
FatalSaintjohnx - testdisk worked.. thanks man02:34
bennryI'm meeting with someone from Nokia tomorrow and wanted to chat possibly offline02:34
CosmoHillthere are two problems tho02:34
bennrydon't want to get in trouble.02:34
CosmoHill1. they might not like their real names being used02:34
CosmoHill2. We probably don't know their real names02:34
CosmoHillso we might know who you're talking about but only under their alias02:35
bennryok, I'll leave their names out of the conversation here.02:35
CosmoHillthey might be online02:35
CosmoHillhold on02:35
bennrythis person is versed in MeeGo + ARM and various platforms02:35
lcukbennry, the worst is the opposite02:36
lcukwhen you meet people in reallife02:36
lcukand call them by their irc nicknames02:36
CosmoHillbennry: http://wiki.meego.com/Who%27s_who02:36
CosmoHillI was called Cosmo at one point02:36
CosmoHillmy problem is I only learn the first 3 or 4 letters of someone' name now, I just use tab complete02:37
bennrynice02:38
CosmoHilllcuk: also over time you build up a mental image of the person which will probably differ from reality02:39
odin_does anybody know what is the status of the OBS upgrade is ?02:39
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bennryGreat, I'm in touch with only one person on that page.02:40
bennrywill wait until tomorrow...but thanks for the link.02:41
bennry:)02:41
bennryhopefully I'll be on here for the next few months.02:41
bennrybut we'll see.02:41
aukeodin_: what do you need to know?02:42
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odin_well I gather that "the public" (i.e. non intel/nokia/committers) can't have read-only access to obs (to download/copypac) sources until obs has been upgraded to 2.x, maybe 2.1.x02:43
odin_I hear this is pencilled in for this time, i.e. now to take place02:43
aukeshould be complete in a few weeks time as I remember02:44
aukethere was a minor update a few days back, but not 2.1.x02:44
odin_since this access has been waited for; for coming on to 5 months now02:45
* CosmoHill makes some changes to the who's who page02:45
lcukCosmoHill, you can say that again02:45
lcuki have met lots of folks and am constantly surprised02:46
CosmoHillreordering who's in the wrong position in the list02:46
lcukCosmoHill, the worst part about meeting people when theres so many is remembering names and faces afterwards and connecting the dots back together.  i keep taking pictures and making notes as I meet folks now02:48
CosmoHilloh that part02:48
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CosmoHillthat makes sense02:48
DawnFosterpeople should wear name tags all the time to avoid confusion :)02:48
DawnFoster(I have a terrible memory for names, and it would help me so much!)02:49
lcukDawnFoster, i still need to take photos of them02:49
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lcukand the barcode fad is why i spoke to lardman about decoding after the fact02:49
lcukjust take pics and collate afterwards from badges02:49
CosmoHilldone, community list is now in order :)02:50
DawnFostercosmoHill - thanks02:50
CosmoHillmy first real contribution \o/02:51
DawnFosterCosmoHill: see that meego.com account came in handy02:51
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CosmoHillironically I'm dyslexic >.<02:51
lcukCosmoHill, you have spent months contributing!02:51
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CosmoHillyay02:51
DawnFosterlcuk: I made him actually sign up for an account last month when he was a top IRC contributor with no account :)02:51
pupniklcuk: for synchronizing pulse audio network streams, one could use algorithms similar to echo-cancellation to detect the amount of time-lag between the stream on once device and the local device (using the microphone to monitor the other device's audio speaker output)02:51
lcukhaha02:51
CosmoHilllcuk: on those notes do you also have phonetic pronouciations?02:52
DawnFosterI had nothing to link to in my blog post02:52
lcukCosmoHill, usually no, i take notes like i used to have my floppy disk collection02:52
CosmoHillDawnFoster: "Member since, 3 hours ago" :p02:52
lcuka bit of a word or phrase is usually enough to remember convo02:52
DawnFosterok, guys - I'm outta here. Heading to the gym.02:53
pupnikwe also need continuous speech recognition02:53
bennrybtw,     *  Valtteri Halla (Nokia) - Benevolent dictator     * Imad Sousou/imad (Intel) - Benevolent dictator02:53
CosmoHillcyas DawnFoster02:53
bennryhilarious02:53
CosmoHillenjoy02:53
lcukhave fun DawnFoster02:53
lcukpupnik, hmm different topic02:53
pupnikhappy fitness DawnFoster02:53
lcukOpenSoundControl library has network wide time sync stuff afaik02:53
pupnikinteresting lcuk02:53
* lcuk watches dawn get in her car, drive to gym, go up the escalator...02:54
pupnikkids would love to  be able to playback synched music from several devices02:54
lcukbandwidth pupnik02:54
lcukassuming same songs available i would agree02:54
DawnFosterlcuk: :)02:54
CosmoHillI should have ordered the meego developer's list whilst I was at it02:54
lcukand have super surround sound02:54
CosmoHill(and I suppose at some point I should add myself)02:55
lcukDawnFoster, say it aint so!02:55
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DawnFosterI had to actually drive to work, so I am driving to the gym :)02:55
lcuk:D02:55
pupniklcuk: the synchronized player could rely upon local stored mp3s as well as other stream sources02:55
* lcuk is pulling your leg02:56
DawnFosternormally, I work from home and just run up my local mountain02:56
DawnFosteryes, I have a local mountain :P02:56
CosmoHillwait what?02:56
lcukawesome02:56
DawnFosterit's an old volcano02:56
pupniknice02:56
CosmoHillI've been to the highest point in my country02:56
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bennryI want a local mountian02:56
CosmoHillI think I hit 30mph on the way down on my bike02:56
DawnFosterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tabor02:56
bennrywell, I guess Twin Peaks (in San Francisco)02:56
DawnFosterit's not as tall as the other mountains in Oregon02:57
DawnFosterand the run up the mountain is painful, but the run down the mountain to get back home is so much fun!02:57
DawnFosteroops, wrong mt. tabor02:57
CosmoHillyeah that's in irerail02:57
lcukDawnFoster, you run to israel?02:57
DawnFosterha!02:57
DawnFosterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Tabor,_Portland,_Oregon02:57
lcuklol02:57
DawnFosteryes, across the ocean and into Israel every day :)02:58
CosmoHilldo you run with a bull proof vest on?02:58
lcukgentle swim does you good02:58
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lcukCosmoHill, "a bull proof vest" incase a matador chases one down the street at you?02:58
DawnFosterwould be great for running with the bulls in Spain02:59
CosmoHillthat's "stab proof"02:59
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CosmoHillyou don't often see software developer impailed on bulls02:59
* CosmoHill looks at EA02:59
DawnFosterok, this time I really am going to the gym.02:59
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CosmoHillbye bye03:00
lcukcya DawnFoster \o03:00
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CosmoHillI'm off too03:01
CosmoHillI need that thing called sleep03:01
lcuki just noticed that too03:01
* lcuk has to be up early, gnite03:01
CosmoHillI have to be up in late setember :o03:01
CosmoHillnight night everyone03:01
lcuk\o03:01
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* ToGgG__son sorry for this mais .... obligé car elle chante la vie et la mort est la mais ne la cherchez pas ! http://keny-arkana.com/desobeissance/07:00
ToGgG__sonl'autorité a été tuée .... ils n'ont pas bien gardé la boite en cristal :s quel dommage du coup tout le monde tous les mondes en ont profité..07:02
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ToGgG__sonsorry for french, they killed Gods and the pandora cristal box is open, and money to money time to time time is money money is time and all people of the world has won money with our times....07:04
ToGgG__sonplease down this ... it's a shit of france la-defense.fr.Epiknet.org (195.225.204.22) port 6667 servers ... /map and links ... but be carefull it's an unrealepik irc Daemon07:08
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sofarStskeeps: thanks, I already warned freenode staff about that :)07:47
Stskeepsi particularly felt offended he mentioned the ircd software i helped found ;)07:48
VorTechSStskeeps: you might consider adding /freenode-staff to the access list07:48
Stskeepsmm, true07:49
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timeless_mbpDawnFoster: hey: thanks.09:05
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vljhi11:06
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vljI was wondering if one could add a java jvm to meego11:06
vljnot necessarily sun's one11:06
Stskeepsit's a turing machine, everything's technically possible11:07
Stskeeps:P11:07
vljI don't know which jvm are out there, and which ones are "light"11:07
lbtvlj: google?11:07
vljI saw ibm and "jaws" (?) ones on google11:08
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vljbut I don't know if they are good or not11:08
vljand IBM's one is not free11:08
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vljthere is not opensource version of jvm found in symbian ?11:13
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vljis python supported by meego ?11:23
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sivanglight jvm...11:26
sivang;)11:26
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jarkko^there were some news in sprint that canonical was working on android interoperability with ubuntu..11:27
jarkko^fuck11:27
jarkko^i mean spring11:27
Stskeepsjarkko^: yes, but the guy never released the code over ideological reasons11:28
jarkko^k11:29
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vljI have the following error code : http://paste.opensuse.org/3526728811:29
vljwith mic211:29
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sivangStskeeps: there's a one guy for android ?11:31
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Stskeepssivang: http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/11:31
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sivangoh well, android. One could probably use plain web browser to access google's services11:35
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vgradevlj, try --run-mode=0 on your mic2 commandline11:39
vljwhat does it do ?11:40
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vljbtw does mic2 requires an sse3 computer ?11:42
Stskeepsthat's a good question11:42
Stskeeps:P11:42
Stskeepsit might.11:42
Stskeepsssse3, though11:42
Stskeepsfor ARM builds, it only matters if your qemu-arm is ssse311:42
vljbecause it mounts things, it downloads sse3 package...11:42
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vgradevlj, if you get scriptlet errors when the packages are installing I think that is due to lack of ssse311:43
vljok11:44
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vljhow can I download the arm packages ?11:47
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vgradeI see you are pointing to something in yout OBS tree, is that a EMGD kernel?11:48
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vljno it is dkms and customised xorg ;)11:50
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vljvgrade: meego wiki does not allow to upgrade any file ??12:24
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vgradevlj, have you created an account?12:33
vljyep12:33
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vgradewhich page are you trying to update12:33
vljbut it seems that "update file" does nothing12:33
vljhttp://wiki.meego.com/File:Nvidia-meego.ks this one12:34
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vgradeah, updating a file12:35
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vgradecan you create a new one and update the link?12:36
vgradeas a work around12:36
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vljwell I think so12:36
vljbut it is a bug or ?12:36
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vgradei would say its a bug as you seem to have 3 other revisions of the file12:37
vljok12:37
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Myrttimeep12:55
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DuckbootMeego on N900 - Is the modem-drivers in place?13:12
Stskeepsworking on it13:12
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DuckbootSo in a week or so?13:12
Stskeepsdepending if we get a feature approval13:13
DuckbootMmm13:13
ScottishDuckso are the modem drivers in a "beta" state? (working, need testing)13:14
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Stskeepseverything needs testing :)13:14
DuckbootStskeeps: What's testing? ;-P13:15
CosmoHillcommon sense :p13:15
DuckbootFoobar13:15
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CosmoHillI wonder what happens if you enter "foobar" as a location on GPS13:16
DuckbootCosmoHill: Probably will self-detonate.13:16
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DuckbootDuckboot: And create a wormhole.13:17
CosmoHillhttp://maps.ovi.com/services/place/528u15p0-8184930bad97496f9b6ba11c9880234613:17
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DuckbootCosmoHill: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Foobar&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.909425,78.134766&ie=UTF8&hq=Foobar&hnear=&t=h&z=13&iwloc=A13:18
CosmoHillcool13:18
DuckbootActually - On maps.google.com you get 209 results when searching for Foobar13:19
DuckbootHahaha - foobar GmbH13:20
henai only get 208 ;)13:20
Duckboothena: That's cause I'm special13:20
* CosmoHill zooms in on ovi maps13:21
CosmoHillI can see my car ;)13:21
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CosmoHill:)13:21
CosmoHilli think I can see my car twice...13:22
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Stskeepsprobably a weird question13:29
Stskeepsbut where is the application installer on handset? :)13:29
CosmoHillif you don't know then all hope is lost13:30
Stskeepswell i know where zyepr is13:30
CosmoHillor you need glasses13:30
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vgradeintel open source guy trying to get an intel wifi card working on MeeGo, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-September/005388.html, this may be interesting13:50
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zumbi_Is discussion on meego deb packages in the agenda for the conference at Dublin?13:51
zumbi_(i saw some bof happening)13:51
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th3hateany way to turn off meego on n900 besides removing battery?14:00
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Stskeepsssh in, reboot14:01
th3hatehey Stskeeps, i noticed a lot of tearing in the latest build. hope latest gfx drivers are not implemented yet >.<14:02
CosmoHillwould "shutdown -h now" work too?14:02
vljth3hate: "poweroff" ?14:04
Stskeepsth3hate: not implemented yet :)14:04
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th3hatevlj, power button doesn't work14:04
th3hateStskeeps, thanks14:04
vljI mean "poweroff" command in shell14:05
vljit seems to be an alias to shutdown -h now14:05
vljat least it does the same on my computers14:05
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th3hateportrait mode is great and wifi works, we're getting quite close to a stable release i guess14:07
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slaineStskeeps: AWESOME stuff14:24
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Stskeepsslaine: indeed, only standing on the shoulders of giants though14:27
slaine:nod: congrats to all involved. It's great to see this kind of progress14:27
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RiverZhouis there anybody run n900's ux on qemu now?15:15
vgradeStskeeps, nice line that one, the giants one, sums up OSS15:15
Stskeepsor science..15:15
StskeepsP15:15
vgradeand what can be achieved15:15
* lcuk submitted keynote with that title :P15:17
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lcukStskeeps, you didn't see why though did you?  I have a little tool which takes a package and shows the direct and indirect dependencies along with their maintainers15:19
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lcukit makes a lovely thing and humanises all the excellent work15:19
Stskeepslcuk: hrm? sorry, i need nutrition right now :P15:20
lcukgood point15:20
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lcukgood point, lunch time15:20
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ObKoHello! I can't find update-rc.d script in daily MeeGo release (beagle board), where is it?15:31
CosmoHillbollocks15:31
CosmoHillI special orderd a part for the laptop15:31
CosmoHilland now I can't find it15:31
CosmoHillfound it :D15:33
StskeepsObKo: chkconfig15:33
ObKothanks15:38
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vljthere is still no sse3-less img of meego ?15:39
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sivangDigia's Qt Quick demo is pretty16:00
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Santerhmm... I installed new core update and now terminal won't start... :D ideas?16:05
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CosmoHillhehee17:18
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CosmoHillsomeone wants to find our what ports are open on the network17:19
CosmoHillso he's just port scanned 127.0.0.117:19
sivangclever17:19
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sivangCosmoHill: In promiscious mode? :-p17:24
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CosmoHillI'll see if I can get him to brute force ssh at that address17:25
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CosmoHillit's one of your five a day17:37
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JaffaStupid question of the day: the changelog for the 1.1 Development Release looks all very interesting. How does one test the Handset UX (either in the SDK or whatever) corresponding to that release? (Specifically, I want to test the email client ;-))18:09
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StskeepsJaffa: try out meego on n900? :P18:11
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JaffaStskeeps: Could do. Where does one get the 1.1 Dev Release image for putting on an eMMC card? :)18:48
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stephgJaffa: weekly code drops are available here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php though you'll need an N900 IMEI to access them18:50
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Jaffastephg: Not a problem. Got one of those. And that's compatible with http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC ?18:50
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stephgyeah more or less; download the image, dd to SD card (either in or out of the device) then use flasher to tell the N900 to boot from a kernel18:51
stephgsee also http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=75718:52
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stephgfrom section 6 onwards :)18:52
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Jaffastephg: Ta18:53
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GeneralAntillesTablets Dev is always so slow.19:04
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StskeepsJaffa: buy a microsd card19:05
Stskeeps:P19:05
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bennryis anyone here from Nokia that can maybe help me?19:58
stephg I'm not from nokia but what's your problem bennry?19:58
bennryI posted a list of stuff yesterday.  I'm going to find it and repaste, ok?20:00
stephgsure, but if you can tell me the ~ time that you posted I can find it in the logs too :)20:01
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bennryI have a question about mic-image-creator. I'm trying to use it to create a .raw image for the N900 using the daily build repo.  I'm using the handset-armv7l-n900.ks file from the meego GIT tree.20:04
bennryWith command: "mic-image-creator --run-mode=0 --cache=mycachedir --format=raw --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --config=handset-armv7l-n900.ks" Then doing disc dump (dd) to get that .raw image to a 4GB Kingston SD card.20:04
stephgok20:04
bennryThe back cover is on.  I run flasher-3.5 to flash the vmlinux kernel that's created and it fails every time to boot the file system. I've done this over and over.  I've even used the prebuilt images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php.20:04
stephgseems fine, what's the problem20:04
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bennryIncluding every .ks file from that site, as well as every .raw/vmlinux combo (except today's drop).  The only image that works is the "Closed" raw image which only boots to a bash shell on the N900.20:04
stephgwhat platform are you doing the build on? fedora or ubuntu or something else?20:05
bennryubuntu 10.0420:05
stephgokies20:05
stephghow did you install MIC?20:06
bennryright.20:06
bennrylet me find the website.20:06
stephgI mean was it as a package, or did you do the source install (git clone'd it then built it yourself)20:06
bennryyeah20:07
bennrytaht's what I did.20:07
bennrygit clone20:07
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bennrythere were some dependency issues20:07
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bennrynamely yum :)20:07
stephgha20:07
bennryandr pm20:07
stephgyes20:07
stephgok so doing it with git should work just fine, when did you do that? (yesterday, last week, last month etc. more recent is better)20:07
bennryhttp://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Installing_requirements_for_Ubuntu_10.0420:07
stephgjaja20:08
bennrythat's what I did whcih fixed the build from git20:08
bennrytwo days ago20:08
bennry:)20:08
stephgso it's recent then :)20:08
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stephghm ok20:08
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bennryright.20:08
Stskeepsbennry: what SD card do you have and how do you dd the raw images from meego-codedrop?20:08
bennryso I was thinking that the problem can't just be mic.20:08
stephgif the official images also don't work, I agree with you20:08
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stephgI've copied images onto both 2GB and 8GB SD cards20:09
bennryStskeeps: 'dd bs=4k if=<.raw> of=/dev/sdb'20:09
bennryI've used a 16GB sandisk and a 4GB kingston20:09
Stskeepsbennry: made sure nothing's mounted from /dev/sdb first too?20:09
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Stskeepssdb1, sdb.. etc20:09
stephgyeah that's what I do, other than bs=4096 rather than 4k (same thing)20:09
bennrystskeeps: that could be the problem20:09
stephgcould be automounter20:09
* bennry embarrassed20:10
bennrybrb20:10
stephgokies20:10
stephg(going to get a beer too, brb as well)20:10
Stskeepsstephg: steph from fmc?20:10
stephgjaja20:11
stephghow's it going20:11
Stskeepsgood, we had calls working in meego on n900 earlier :020:12
Stskeepscalled someone i knew with it20:12
stephgwhen you say calls, do you mean conf calls? if so I may not be the same steph ;)20:13
Stskeepsvoice calls20:13
Stskeeps:)20:13
stephgthen that's not me then I'm afraid20:13
Stskeepsfair enough20:13
stephgthough I am steph on both maemo and meego forums20:13
Stskeepswell, if you were in the meego n900 thread..20:14
Stskeeps:P20:14
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stephgand now I'm curious who steph is ;)20:14
stephgwell yeah I'm on that thread moaning about what on earth is going on with the nokia proprietary packages20:14
Stskeepsbeen meaning to reply to that20:15
Stskeeps:P20:15
Stskeepshopefully we'll get to a point soon where we don't even have meego-codedrop20:15
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stephghere's hoping! the new code drop 201008310 1.0.90.whatever doesn't even build for me as the repos don't seem to be there20:16
Stskeepswhat --arch= do you use?20:16
Stskeeps:P20:16
bennryit's not easy being a generalist, let me tell you.20:16
stephg7l, again using the ks from codedrop20:16
bennryone year away from Linux, and I'm basically starting from scratch.20:16
stephgbennry: it's like riding a bike20:16
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bennrystephg: I know, but I have to wait until these bruises heel before I get back on20:17
bennry*heal20:17
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GeneralAntillesWhere are the latest instructions for installing MeeGo to a MicroSD?20:17
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arjanmicrosd ?20:18
arjanjust dd the fscker20:18
GeneralAntillesIs that the only step? :)20:18
arjanare there any n900 kernel folks ehre ?20:18
stephgwhat arjan says20:18
stephg:)20:18
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arjanGeneralAntilles: if you have the right image for your device, yes it should be20:18
arjanI do that all the time for my mrst cdk (and aava when I manage to borrow one)20:19
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and load the zimage20:19
Stskeeps(we don't boot from a sd boot sector, so)20:19
Stskeepsarjan: only maintainer, ameya's gone for the day20:19
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Stskeepsarjan: do you have an overview how the progress towards btrfs on aava/handset is going?20:21
Stskeepsas that affects our ability too i guess20:21
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GeneralAntillesLooks like acceleration's broken20:29
GeneralAntillesBlack screen with white square for a mouse pointer.20:29
GeneralAntillesNevermind, long boot.20:29
stephgthat happens all the time20:30
GeneralAntillesWiFi's still not working, I assume?20:30
stephgwifi is working20:30
stephgas of last friday20:30
stephg1.0.90.something 2010083120:30
stephgthat build20:30
GeneralAntillesJust taking forever to load the desktop.20:31
stephgdesktop seems flakey (I mean, even more so) to me20:31
stephgsecond time I booted into it it was completely unresponsive20:31
lcukis the wifi fully configurable?20:31
lcukits a great thing it works at all20:32
stephgworks for me, WPA-PSK, I guess for others ymmv20:32
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stephgbut by far the best thing about it is that ssh works20:32
lcukstephg, i mean ability to use control panel to configure ips and gateway etc20:32
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stephgI haven't looked at the manual settings, but I can add my PSK and it works with my AP via DHCP20:33
stephgall done in the UX20:33
lcukreasonable enough20:34
* thiago_home still reads "Phase-Shift Keying" every time, even after 6 hours out of the University20:34
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thiago_home6 years20:34
lcuklol20:35
lcukbit of a difference :P20:35
arjanStskeeps: we shold have been on btrfs already20:35
arjanStskeeps: sadly it seems MIC2 is buggy ;(20:35
arjanand we seem to be unable to fix a simple bug like that20:35
* thiago_home sees arjan and remembers he has to ask something20:35
thiago_homenow if I could only remember what...20:35
arjanlikewise20:35
arjanoh I remember mine :)20:36
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MaikelZhow usable is meego at the moment on the N900?20:38
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: takes forever due to various reasons, am tracking the issues and providing fixes20:38
stephgMaikelZ: not very, not if you actually want to use it20:38
Stskeepsit is however rapidly reaching something that could technically be a primary device :P20:39
Stskeepsonce browser, 3g data is working and call audio is integrated..20:39
vgradearjan, now the EMGD drivers have been released officially (with MeeGo support) is there a plan to provide a download image with a click through license ala IEGD Moblin?20:39
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MaikelZhow do the basic fuctions work, calling and texting20:40
StskeepsMaikelZ: not integrated yet, we need to get approval for potentially breaking things (feature freeze)20:40
GeneralAntillesDon't.20:40
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MaikelZok, thx for the info, so my experimenting has to wait ;)20:41
GAN900Well, that was exciting20:44
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StskeepsGAN900: unoptimized qt, big copies on startup, tracker being malconfigured (in that weekly) adds up to a bad experience, yeah20:46
stephgStskeeps: ... and don't even try to build it ;)20:46
Stskeepsstephg: we use exact same .ks to build ours, so it's weird20:46
stephgthat's what I don't get. I can't even build 20100831 as the repo is broke:-20:47
stephgalso don't take me personally, you guys are doing the real work20:47
Stskeepsstephg: get me a build log and i can tell you if it looks wrong20:47
stephgStskeeps: should meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.90.1.20100831.1.ks build ?20:48
Stskeepsstephg: i bloody hope so :)20:48
stephgError: failed to create image : URLGrabber error: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.90.1.20100831.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages//repodata/repomd.xml : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.90.1.20100831.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages//repodata/repomd.xml20:48
Stskeepsstephg: ah20:48
Stskeepsright20:48
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Stskeepsstephg: there should have been a version up with the right buildid20:48
Stskeepsyou'd want to get 90.020:49
stephgoo20:49
stephgokies20:49
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stephgthat ks is the weekly vanilla one on codedrop; clearly it's building otherwise there wouldn't be weeklies but I am just missing the final piece of the puzzle20:50
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Stskeepsbasically it went along lines of: there was a build published on repo.meego.com, we generated image, build id on repo.meego.com was wrong, we regenerated..20:51
stephgaaaaaaaaaaaaah20:51
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stephgthat would explain it20:51
Stskeepsand somewhere along there we forgot to reupload :)20:51
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stephgI guess the same will have happened the week before (with the missing proprietary packages)20:52
Stskeepsnah20:52
stephgno?20:52
Stskeepsthat's another good mystery20:52
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stephgwas anyone else able to reproduce that one (I mean, I'm a moron, but I've done my best to make sure I eliminated every other possibility)20:52
Stskeepsbeen too buried in work to reproduce20:53
Stskeepsif you in the future run into similar bugs, file a bug20:53
Stskeepsmark it 'ARM' as arch and i'll probably catch it20:53
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stephgis a fine balance to draw between genuine bugs and irritating end users20:54
stephgso I was hoping someone else would be able to test (other than your good self) but noone has20:55
Stskeepsstephg: the thing is that any given porter or device adaptor will be indistinguisable from an irritating end user in the start..20:55
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stephgyeah, I understand that, but as you say the whole codedrop thing will go away as well so I was figuring I'd let it all bed down before shouting about it20:56
Stskeepsnah, cos same .ks'es would be in use to some extent :)20:56
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stephgif it's worthwhile I can open one about 20100824.1 and provide my --debug and --verbose output20:57
Stskeepsthanks20:57
stephgit just doesn't say anything useful :(20:57
Stskeepsplease censor out the /md5/ part on repository.maemo.org20:57
Stskeeps:P20:57
Stskeepsassign to carsten@maemo.org20:58
stephgokies20:58
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stephgwill crack on with that20:58
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stephgCarsten are you there?21:19
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Stskeepsstephg: no, playing openttd :)21:25
bennryis there any way to get serial via USB or some remote terminal on the N900 during bootup?21:25
stephghaha21:25
Bostikjig?21:25
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bennrynice21:25
Stskeepsbennry: ssh in over usb21:25
stephgbennry: what Stskeeps just said21:26
stephgeveryone is too quick21:26
jacekowskibennry: you can get seria console using test pads on the phone21:26
jacekowskiserial*21:26
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jacekowskithere is a pinout on wiki21:26
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stephgStskeeps you want every portion on a URL that starts with 2 obfuscating ja?21:27
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bennryjacekowski: thanks, that's what I was looking for.21:27
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Stskeepsstephg: yep21:28
aukeStskeeps: I think I found the shared-mime-info issue21:28
stephgokies21:28
aukeStskeeps: looks like it was an accidental removal21:28
jacekowskibennry: you need level converter21:28
jacekowskibennry: and a jig21:28
aukeI'll add it back21:28
jacekowskibennry: to connect it all together21:28
Stskeepsauke: cool21:28
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aukeStskeeps: can you confirm that running update-mime-database /usr/share/mime fixes tracker?21:34
aukeStskeeps: don't have a handset here ready to go21:34
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stephgauke: what's the bug # for the tracker?21:35
auke616221:35
stephgI have my N900 infront of me so let me check I have the right image21:36
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aukeit's a bug allright I just want to see if it actually effectively fixes the issue if we add the update-mime-db back21:36
aukeiow not something else also gone missing21:36
stephgwill I be able to actually test it tho? bug says: meego-handset-armv7l-n900acceptance-1.0.90.1.20100901.1-raw and the latest I have access to would be 20100831-1.0.90.121:37
stephgah that looks like a daily21:37
aukebug is platform independent21:38
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Stskeepsstephg: bug still exists21:39
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aukebbl21:39
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Stskeepsstephg: without installing shared-mime-info you can't check the bug21:43
stephgah ok21:43
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bennryCan someone direct me to the release feature list?21:52
bennryslash bug list?21:52
CosmoHillbugs.meego.com21:52
bennrythank you.21:55
tybollthugs.meego.com?'21:55
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stephgit's all about the hugs21:56
stephgand with that I run away. Good night all, maybe see you in the morning21:57
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Stskeepsauke: at least update-mime-database /usr/share/mime populates /usr/share/mime nicely22:39
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aukeStskeeps: lol but does it fix tracker?22:46
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Stskeepsauke: i can boot up the image, will take a little bit :)22:49
* Stskeeps looks for his sd card22:49
tybollt_Stskeeps: the -one- sd card you have right? ;)22:52
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Stskeepstybollt_: surprisingily i have two microsd22:53
Stskeeps:P22:53
DawnFoster1I've been working on some written IRC guidelines: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines22:54
DawnFoster1trying to keep them very simple22:54
DawnFoster1don't hesitate to improve them :)22:55
Stskeepsaw, we can't be jerks?22:55
Stskeeps:P22:55
Stskeeps;)22:55
DawnFoster1stskeeps: :)22:56
lcukDawnFoster1, pastebin!22:57
DawnFoster1stskeeps: do have any documentation on the meetbot anywhere? Who to contact with issues, etc.22:57
lcukdo we have a prefered service?22:57
lcukthat might be better for Stskeeps22:57
DawnFoster1lcuk: ooh, good point - feel free to add it22:57
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GAN900Too many bulletpoints under the meeting guidelines.22:58
StskeepsDawnFoster1: well, meetbot contact is me, bugs go upstream, documentation at wiki.debian.org/MeetBot I believe22:58
lcukGAN900, take out the smile and have fun line then :P22:58
lcukyou never use it anyway ;) :P22:58
DawnFoster1stskeeps: yeah, I linked to the debian page23:00
Stskeepsarjan: omap3camera or v4l changes in particular?23:00
DawnFoster1GAN900: feel free to streamline it23:00
Stskeepsarjan: (if it oops'es anything else than n900, ofcourse it should be removed, just curious what blows up)23:01
StskeepsDawnFoster1: one section we probably should add, like, general policy regarding #meego* namespace (community office should be represented as founder flags in case owner is no longer with the project or gets run over by a bus) .. etc23:01
DawnFoster1actually, we do have documentation on Meetbot - found it here: http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure/IRC23:02
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DawnFoster1good point23:02
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DawnFoster1I'll document something about creating new channels & have them add you & me with founder flags23:03
Stskeepsor for a #meego* channel you must be listed X,Y,Z :P23:03
DawnFoster1exactly23:03
Stskeepsat X,Y,Z i mean23:03
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GAN900DawnFoster1, I'd merge the 3 announce lines.23:06
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Stskeepsauke: confirmed on tracker works23:14
aukeStskeeps: awesome, I'm already prepping the obs submission23:14
Stskeepsi see pretty pictures in photos viewer23:14
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DawnFoster1ok, I streamlined the meeting guidelines & added a section about creating new channels: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines23:19
Stskeepslooks good23:20
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Stskeepswell, and "Remember to register your channel"23:20
Stskeeps:P23:20
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Stskeepsanyhow, time for sleep23:23
Stskeepsbbl23:23
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DawnFoster1stskeeps: thanks added (with a link to how) - night :)23:25
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GAN900Ah, hell23:33
GAN900Edit collision23:34
GAN900Nevermind, then.23:34
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arjanStskeeps: how do I make a usable n900 image?23:44
* arjan wants to be able to test kernels by booting a full UI23:44
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CosmoHillhey arjan23:45
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djszapihi, my friend said xephyr could also work with nvidia graphics card under linux, can it be true ?23:48
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nialaany plan to use qt4.7 in meego-netbook-1.1 .  i m compiling qt4.7 it's take more than 10 hours. It's only for developping with libmeegotouch23:56
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nialasorry hello23:56
arjanwe're already at qt4.723:56
arjanwell the final beta, but still23:57
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