IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2010-08-10

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trem	nite all, sweet dreams	00:01
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Phazorx	how can i chroot to hd mego when booted from usbflash safely?	00:05
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allandrick	G'day	00:09
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allandrick	Wondering if vgrade is online?	00:09
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allandrick	anyone here playing with the Joggler?	00:11
allandrick	(with MeeGo that is)	00:11
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vgrade	allandrick, hi	00:23
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allandrick	g'day!	00:23
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allandrick	Just been reading the various wiki bits	00:23
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allandrick	a colleague at work had a joggler he wasn't using so I picked it up :-)	00:24
vgrade	jogglerwiki or meego.wiki?	00:24
allandrick	jw	00:24
allandrick	following links from your twitter :)	00:24
allandrick	Wasn't sure if you'd still be awake - are you based in UK?	00:24
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vgrade	only 10.30pm here in UK	00:25
vgrade	where are u	00:25
CosmoHill	hey vgrade	00:25
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vgrade	hi CosmoHill	00:25
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allandrick	"only" :-)	00:25
allandrick	I'm across the water in Belfast	00:25
allandrick	I have a keen desire to see this thing sitting in my car's dash ;-)	00:26
CosmoHill	vgrade: what part? I'm in the south east	00:26
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vgrade	Northants	00:26
vgrade	allandrick, are you handly with a dremel?	00:27
allandrick	Mine is in storage back in Oz :) But I'm sure I could borrow one	00:27
vgrade	ah, G'day	00:28
allandrick	heh	00:28
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allandrick	yeah not the typical nornirish greeting ;-)	00:28
vgrade	to be sure	00:28
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allandrick	so here's the rub - I'm on a MacBook - no real access to a linux distro - am I hosed?	00:29
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allandrick	I'm just a bit confused as to what I need to download and install where...	00:29
vgrade	ah the devil mac user :)	00:29
allandrick	makes great movies ;-)	00:29
allandrick	but anyhoo.	00:30
allandrick	I'm looking to check out the IVI image.	00:30
vgrade	I don't do macs do they support virtualbox?	00:30
Phazorx	why can't i find grub2 with yum?	00:30
allandrick	VM's you mean?	00:31
allandrick	yea it does	00:31
allandrick	downloading the host now ;-)	00:31
vgrade	yes, just checked and virtualbox is supported, so get it from http://www.virtualbox.org/	00:32
CosmoHill	you can get virtualbox on mac	00:32
CosmoHill	intel only of course	00:32
allandrick	Nothing but the best.	00:32
allandrick	cough	00:32
allandrick	a few years old but still intel.	00:32
* CosmoHill puts a very hot powerbook on allandrick		00:32
allandrick	eeps :)	00:32
CosmoHill	feel the burn of youtube!	00:32
allandrick	it'll be down in a min.	00:33
CosmoHill	it's only a matter of time before iPlayer sets my bed on fire	00:33
vgrade	then you will need a fedora vm from here, i'm trying this one tonight as it happens	00:33
allandrick	I'll pour another glass of Taylors and settle in :)	00:33
Phazorx	how do i get grub2 under chrooted meego?	00:33
vgrade	http://virtualboxes.org/images/fedora/ the fedora11 vm	00:33
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thiago_home	Phazorx: meego doesn't use grub	00:34
Phazorx	thiago_home: that's root of my problem	00:34
Phazorx	kinda have to use grub2 at this stage	00:34
Phazorx	so how can i get it other than compiling	00:34
Phazorx	which would mean i need to get compile farm here 1st	00:34
thiago_home	Phazorx: find another solution	00:34
thiago_home	why do you think you need grub2?	00:35
allandrick	ugh 21KB/sec	00:35
Phazorx	thiago_home: this might take a while...	00:35
Phazorx	i need to use grub because i want to preserve functionality of win7 that is sitting alongside with meego here	00:35
thiago_home	load the kernel and the initrd	00:36
allandrick	lets try the kent mirror instead of SJC...	00:36
thiago_home	what's the problem?	00:36
allandrick	ahh mch better.	00:36
Phazorx	for starters extlinux or any other external bootloader wont work because being mbr installed they wont let windows sleep/hibernate normally	00:36
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Phazorx	and linux can not be booted off logica parttion with bcd	00:36
thiago_home	Phazorx: you need to address that problem with Microsoft	00:36
Phazorx	so i have to use easybcd loader with grub2	00:36
thiago_home	Phazorx: can't that load extlinux?	00:36
Phazorx	thiago_home: which problem? how to get grub2 under meego?	00:37
Phazorx	how's that their problem	00:37
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thiago_home	Phazorx: the "Windows doesn't hibernate" problem	00:37
thiago_home	Windows problem, not our problem	00:37
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Phazorx	they dont see it as a problem since it does hibernate	00:37
Phazorx	what it doesnt do is booting something other than windows	00:37
thiago_home	nevermind	00:37
thiago_home	well, can't that bootloader you use chainload extlinux?	00:38
vgrade	allandrick, once you have fedora up in VM, follow the instructions here http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo#Meego_1.0_Those_over_there_are_not_giants_but_windmills	00:38
Phazorx	presumable it is capable ofdoing that but only on primary it actualy happens	00:38
Phazorx	since this win7 takes 3 partitions thanks to vendor - i can only have /boot on extended	00:39
allandrick	will do - I'm not completely stupid but can you give me a quick push in the right direction with respect to #1 on that list? :-)	00:39
allandrick	I'm completely new to the project	00:39
thiago_home	give it the Linux kernel (vmlinuz) and initrd. That's all you need to boot Linux.	00:39
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Phazorx	thiago_home: "it" ?	00:39
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Phazorx	bcd has no clue what to do with initrd	00:39
Phazorx	easybcd can chainload something	00:39
thiago_home	Phazorx: your bootloader	00:39
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Phazorx	but there are some restrictios i am not clear what they are though	00:39
thiago_home	Phazorx: why does anyone still make bootloaders that don't load Linux (except for Microsoft)?	00:40
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Phazorx	my bootloader of choice is grub2 at the moment and i am failing on ways i can get it under meego	00:40
thiago_home	Phazorx: MeeGo doesn't have it.	00:40
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thiago_home	Phazorx: get the sources and build it, or use something else.	00:40
Phazorx	i have nothing against extlinux but i just have prolonged conversation in #syslinux that can be summarizes as "hibernation is likely not going to work with extlinux loader at this stage"	00:41
Phazorx	thiago_home: there is no fetchable binary that i can get off some shared mirror?	00:41
thiago_home	Linux hibernation?	00:41
thiago_home	there is no binary	00:41
Phazorx	gettis sources is easy... but is there gcc and rest of libs needed to deal with grub compilation on livecd?	00:42
thiago_home	get those then	00:42
Phazorx	sounds like a lot of hoops to jump though	00:42
Phazorx	easier just to get some other distro and use that to install grub2	00:42
vgrade	allandrick, the instructions do assume some prior knowledge sorry, i've added a link now to help, http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#From_Development_Git_Tree	00:43
thiago_home	that works too	00:43
allandrick	cheers	00:44
vgrade	if you let me know whats missing I can improve the instructions as we go	00:44
allandrick	will do - you on for long?	00:44
allandrick	:)	00:44
vgrade	another drink or two :)	00:44
allandrick	ah so git is like svn?	00:44
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vgrade	yes, its what created to manage the linux kernel I think	00:45
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allandrick	bingo.	00:45
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allandrick	10 minutes until fc11 is down.	00:45
ScottishDuck	I believe mercurial is emerging as the new best thing	00:45
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allandrick	just what we need, another new thing!	00:46
* allandrick is a gadget collector.		00:46
allandrick	can you tell already? :)	00:46
thiago_home	ScottishDuck: that's why we all use Git	00:46
auke	with the core component (kernel) using git in MeeGo, we really don't like people picking other VCS's anymore :)	00:48
allandrick	brb bio	00:48
w00t_	auke: also considering that everything is on gitorious.. :-p	00:48
thiago_home	auke: the core component (kernel) is using git for every distro :-)	00:48
auke	w00t_: and me working hard to add more ;)	00:48
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allandrick	w00t_ I can't pronounce that hostname without giggling.	00:49
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auke	thiago_home: awesome. soon SVN and CVS will be history	00:49
w00t_	(we can but hope)	00:49
thiago_home	auke: I wish	00:50
w00t_	although there are a lot of people that struggle to get decentralisation :p	00:50
* thiago_home thinks people struggle with Git's user interface		00:50
w00t_	thiago_home: that is part, but not all of it	00:50
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w00t_	and to be fair, after a few years of using Git, git merge still occasionally does odd stuff/a bit of black magic I struggle to understand and work with	00:51
w00t_	:p	00:51
allandrick	I really need to get my VM server up and running...	00:51
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* allandrick sighs at his to-do list.		00:52
allandrick	damn you middle-agedness!	00:52
* allandrick shakes his fist at himself.		00:52
vgrade	allandrick, mine grows daily as well	00:53
allandrick	I just don't seem to be able to fit in a day as much as I used to...	00:53
allandrick	even with sticking to an 8 hour workday.	00:54
allandrick	>.<	00:54
vgrade	not an issue for all the youngsters in here, right CosmoHill	00:54
CosmoHill	bwhuh what? yes	00:54
CosmoHill	whatever vgrade said, I agree to	00:54
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* CosmoHill backreads		00:55
vgrade	CosmoHill, remember you were -6 or something when I started at uni	00:55
CosmoHill	yes :\|)	00:55
* allandrick coughs.		00:55
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CosmoHill	allandrick: I went for a 8 mile bike ride today :)	00:55
allandrick	a?	00:56
allandrick	oh I don't want to know	00:56
* allandrick cries to himself quietly.		00:56
allandrick	;-)	00:56
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allandrick	gah	00:57
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allandrick	virtual box won't let me use an external FS.	00:57
allandrick	(&^&	00:57
hpa	Well, there is always NFS/SMB	00:58
auke	cifs, sshfs	00:58
auke	my personal: tar-over-ssh	00:58
allandrick	what's wrong with the FW800 raid1 mirrored TB?!	00:59
allandrick	grr	01:00
allandrick	that'll larn it.	01:00
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allandrick	ohffs	01:20
allandrick	how hard is it to tell virtualbox that this directory is a new vm	01:20
allandrick	$^%&*()	01:20
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vgrade	allandrick, not sure how it works on the mac but	01:31
allandrick	ah it's insane	01:31
vgrade	you need to unzip the fedora image you downloaded	01:31
allandrick	finally got it sorted	01:32
allandrick	booting now.	01:32
allandrick	&^%$#	01:32
vgrade	then using the Virtual Media Manager, from File menu add that image as a new hard disk	01:32
allandrick	yeah got there just now :P	01:32
vgrade	yes I had the same issue its not apparent until you read the docs how to add a hard disk or a new iso	01:33
allandrick	ahhh the chimey musak	01:33
allandrick	I'm in.	01:33
allandrick	gitting now.	01:33
vgrade	time for a drink, back soon	01:34
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vgrade	you may need to install git, yum install git	01:38
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allandrick	yep	01:38
Cosmo[PB]	cyas	01:38
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vgrade	night CosmoHill	01:38
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allandrick	hmm it's not happy with python	01:40
vgrade	yum install python-devel	01:40
* allandrick facepalm.		01:41
allandrick	It has been far too long since I hacked.	01:41
vgrade	i've only used this disto for the first time tonight myself	01:41
allandrick	:)	01:41
allandrick	I'm mostly used to RHEL and Centos	01:42
allandrick	although I cut my teeth on slackware and gentoo in the way-back-when,.	01:42
allandrick	a lots changed.	01:42
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vgrade	slackware, i'll show my age now, installed it from 22 floppies back ini the day	01:43
allandrick	you and me both ;-)	01:43
* allandrick coughs notyetforty		01:43
vgrade	:)	01:43
allandrick	We should get along just fine :)	01:44
allandrick	like old sailors.	01:44
* allandrick goes arrrrr.r		01:44
allandrick	hmm ok syslinux is out of date... need a better repo.	01:45
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allandrick	Package syslinux-3.75-1.fc11.i586 already installed and latest version	01:45
allandrick	Package syslinux-3.75-1.fc11.i586 already installed and latest version	01:45
allandrick	mic2 requires syslinux version >= 3.85, please update syslinux to 3.85	01:45
allandrick	lemme see here...	01:46
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vgrade	ok, I can't remember installing that tonight, I'll check what I've got	01:46
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vgrade	ok i've only got 3.75, can you try the image-create line again but wihtout the run-mode=0	01:48
allandrick	oh wait	01:49
allandrick	sorry I didn't add the repo for mic2	01:50
vgrade	you should not need to do that as you've got the latest mic2 from git	01:50
allandrick	ah wait	01:50
allandrick	I'm on the wrong page.	01:50
allandrick	http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#From_Development_Git_Tree	01:51
allandrick	I got up to running the mic-check-alldesps	01:51
allandrick	deps	01:51
allandrick	*	01:51
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UlfHofemeier	Hi	01:52
allandrick	hi	01:52
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allandrick	ignore all that - I'm going forward with run-mode=0	01:55
allandrick	working just fine.	01:55
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allandrick	cmon use both cores, damnit!	02:02
allandrick	silly IO bound tasks.	02:03
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allandrick	up to 'l' in the fetching of rpms.	02:03
vgrade	the syslinux dep does not matter as we are bulding a loop image not a usbimage	02:04
allandrick	sweet.	02:04
allandrick	usb drive partitioned and ready to go.	02:04
vgrade	one FAT 100Mb and rest ext2	02:04
allandrick	ok - need to update the wiki :)	02:04
vgrade	copied on the FAT partition files?	02:04
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vgrade	which part	02:05
allandrick	50Mb	02:05
allandrick	vs. 100Mb	02:05
vgrade	50MB is OK	02:05
vgrade	i think even 5 mb is ok not many files on there	02:05
vgrade	if your interested those files were the key to getting any linux distros on the joggler	02:06
allandrick	that's the ks files right?	02:06
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vgrade	no there is a tgz file http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/joggler-fat-partition.tgz step 8	02:07
allandrick	oh yes	02:07
allandrick	sorry	02:07
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vgrade	the joggler has an efi (bios) so a normal syslinux image does not work here,	02:09
allandrick	yeah that explains why the iso didn't boot	02:09
allandrick	(the IVI distro)	02:09
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allandrick	for meego	02:09
allandrick	gads I hope this repo sync is cached :)	02:10
vgrade	yes, that would only work on some netbooks	02:10
vgrade	did you have --cache=mycache in your command line?	02:10
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allandrick	aye	02:10
allandrick	sorry yes	02:10
* allandrick facepalms. I'm not Irish already!		02:11
allandrick	sorry, 3 years here now and it's become a habbit	02:11
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allandrick	aye, dead on, right boy, what about ye?	02:11
* allandrick shakes his head sadly.		02:11
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vgrade	who let Jim Mcdonald in	02:12
allandrick	Oh don't even joke	02:12
allandrick	:)	02:12
vgrade	did you see my IVI video?	02:13
allandrick	yep	02:13
allandrick	I've been searching for days - literally got the Joggler on Monday	02:13
allandrick	sorry	02:13
allandrick	Friday	02:13
allandrick	but yes	02:13
allandrick	talk about cutting edge!	02:13
allandrick	ok it's installing pkgs.	02:14
allandrick	110/500+	02:14
allandrick	582	02:14
allandrick	so I might just get this going tonight :)	02:14
vgrade	ok, that repo is slow as	02:14
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vgrade	there is a mirror at kernel.org	02:14
allandrick	download is done	02:14
allandrick	it's installing now	02:14
allandrick	FYI this is what I'm going to use for power	02:15
allandrick	http://www.current-logic.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=8	02:15
allandrick	it's not regulated but initial reports with the O2 are good	02:15
allandrick	will have to invest in a shutdown controller though, I can't see MeeGo enjoying having the power yanked every time I turn off the car.	02:16
allandrick	if this works I'm happy to host a download link for the image.	02:17
allandrick	if you think that's a useful thing	02:17
vgrade	ah, well there is the rub	02:17
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allandrick	?	02:17
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allandrick	nite	04:08
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ngocket	hi	05:36
ngocket	is there any ovi store application in the current code base of meego?	05:37
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fargiolas	hey, I'm looking for a netbook for my girlfriend, is there a list of meego compatible ones? I wouldn't like to end up with surprises like broadcom wireless and things like that	10:17
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amjad	fargiolas:http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms	10:23
fargiolas	amjad: thanks!	10:24
amjad	np	10:24
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hatake_kakashi	amjad, fyi HP and Lenovo may most likely put broadcrap in their netbooks	10:25
fargiolas	dell too, at least my mini 9 has one	10:26
hatake_kakashi	though dell doesn't have minipci/minipcie wireless card whitelisting	10:27
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hatake_kakashi	which is technically good, you just need to sell that broadcrap and purchase one half length minipci/minipcie and to put it in place	10:27
fargiolas	funny that I bought it with ubuntu preinstalled thinking it might be a warrant of linux compatibility	10:28
hatake_kakashi	broadcrap is linux compatible.. if its not supported by the community version (aka b43/b43legacy) its supported by their proprietary wl driver	10:29
fargiolas	hatake_kakashi: uh didn't think about that, will give it a try (I think I have a minipci iwl3945 somewhere)	10:29
hatake_kakashi	fargiolas, it has to be half length, I'm not sure about the size of iwl3945 but it may not fit	10:29
hatake_kakashi	and I believe it now has to be minipcie as well	10:29
fargiolas	:( will try	10:30
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amjad	fargiolas: this will give you a better idea : http://wiki.meego.com/Devices	10:35
fargiolas	thanks again	10:35
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alterego	Why doesn't the download page point to the proper N900 image builds at nokia?	11:45
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Phazorx	is there a graphical partition editor somewhere on netbook image?	11:46
Phazorx	gparted for example?	11:46
Phazorx	the one that insaller has got is not capable of doing what i'd like to	11:47
Phazorx	as in it pretends to be smarter than it is and moves partition to/from extended and leaves unused space inbetween	11:47
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Phazorx	also, is tuxonice worth trying as an even faster way to boot?	12:02
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Phazorx	.	12:44
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vgrade_	We now have 3 reports of meego being up on 3 GMA500 based netbooks, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Meego_on_GMA500_Based_Laptops, add yours to the list if you can	12:54
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_BuBU1	Hi	13:00
Stskeeps	hi _BuBU1, how's it going?	13:00
_BuBU1	hey Stskeeps :)	13:00
_BuBU1	how are u?	13:00
_BuBU1	long time	13:01
Stskeeps	i'm good	13:01
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_BuBU1	just seen a page with GMA500 based laptops support :)	13:01
Stskeeps	hehe	13:01
_BuBU1	I've that Archos 9 with poulsbo	13:01
_BuBU1	so I can test that also	13:01
Stskeeps	saw the joggler demo of handset ux?	13:01
Stskeeps	er, netbook ux	13:02
_BuBU1	not the demo just the wiki from Vgrade	13:02
Stskeeps	ah	13:03
Stskeeps	sec	13:03
Stskeeps	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI	13:03
Phazorx	is tuxonice worth trying as an even faster way to boot?	13:04
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vgrade_	we also have the IVI UX up on the joggler, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVL8I1B6uPs	13:05
vgrade_	wow, 14800 views on that one!	13:06
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vgrade_	meego up on Archos A9, thanks to BuBU1 for his time	15:30
Stskeeps	video?	15:30
vgrade_	he wants to get touchscreen and wifi up first	15:30
Stskeeps	ah	15:31
vgrade_	he has usb mouse control atm	15:31
hatake_kakashi	hi, according to the website it seems that there is only git repositories available and no rpm repository like what maemo would have with deb repository?	15:32
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hatake_kakashi	nevermind, looks like I've found it	15:34
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kulve	Any ideas why my mini laptop with GMA 3150 doesn't seem to be supporting OpenGL 2.0 in MeeGo even though it is supported by the hardware according to the intel?	15:44
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kulve	OpenGL 1.4 seems to be supported and glxgears runs ok	15:44
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Phazorx	kulve: are ypu sure it has 3150?	15:47
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Phazorx	N450/iGMA3150 here works just fine	15:48
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kulve	Phazorx: yes. MeeGo part works just fine for me too, but if I try something requiring OpenGL 2.0, Mesa falls back to sw implementations and that's really really slow	15:50
kulve	Phazorx: glxinfo tells the OpenGL implementation in use	15:51
kulve	mine says:	15:51
kulve	OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.8.1	15:51
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Phazorx	err... glext under win7 report 1.4 too	15:58
Phazorx	where does it says about 2.0 support?	15:58
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kulve	http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/quick-reference-guide-to-intel-integrated-graphics/	15:59
kulve	"OpenGL* Support" and the foot note number 9	16:00
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Phazorx	i see OGL 1.5 there	16:02
Phazorx	and it is mentioned that 2.0 under linu.	16:03
kulve	yes	16:03
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kulve	I think WebGL needs that OpenGL 2.0 and that's why I'm trying to get it to work. Currently even a simple WebGL application runs really really really slowly	16:04
Phazorx	i wonder if there is anywhere some actual tech data on 3150	16:04
Phazorx	cuz this is marketting	16:04
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sivang	hi all	16:06
Phazorx	looks like anywhere outside of intel general ref guide opengl 2 support is not mentioned anywhere	16:06
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sivang	is this[0] pointing to the latest versions of the sdk ?	16:08
sivang	[0]: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Introduction	16:08
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J_P	hi all	16:50
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mrshaver	ezra-g: Hi Ezra	17:29
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ezra-g	mrshaver: hi mike	17:29
ezra-g	mrshaver: we're also adding some module updates	17:29
ezra-g	(devel should have been updated with the pull, looking into why not)	17:30
mrshaver	ezra-g: good, I'll start the updates on a few of my items	17:30
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c4rl	mrshaver: Hi Mike. Please describe what updates you are making.	17:32
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c4rl	mrshaver: Would you like me to create the twitter feed block?	17:33
mrshaver	c4rl: just created that :)	17:34
mrshaver	would you like to add to context?	17:35
c4rl	mrshaver: Ok	17:35
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mrshaver	my other changes: Logistics block icons	17:35
mrshaver	add search box from theme configuration page	17:36
ezra-g	c4rl: i am about to updat the context module	17:36
mrshaver	c4rl: you can also replace the temporary signup now block with the Attendees block	17:36
c4rl	mrshaver: Ok	17:37
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ezra-g	contrib modules are up to date	17:37
ezra-g	let's hold off on zen for further testing ;)	17:37
mrshaver	I'm going to make the changes to the sessions and news views	17:39
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ezra-g	mrshaver: Were you planning to add the conference contact email address to the site so that folks can get help with signups if necessary?	17:44
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ezra-g	Mainly to help avoid folks complaining via twitter ;)	17:44
ezra-g	I forgot where we left off on that	17:45
ezra-g	and didn't note it in the ticket :\	17:45
mrshaver	ezra-g: sure, that works	17:46
ezra-g	ok	17:46
c4rl	mrshaver: All changes I needed to make are live. I should be available on and off throughout the day for any theme-related questions.	17:47
ezra-g	thanks c4rl !	17:47
ezra-g	mrshaver: It would be great if you could double check that the signup limit #'s are correct at http://conference2010.meego.com/node/1/signups/settings	17:48
ezra-g	"Attending" is really the only one that doesn't require admin action to obtain	17:48
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SIRavecavec	Hello	17:49
mrshaver	c4rl: Thanks, looks really nice	17:49
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mrshaver	ezra-g: signup limits look good to me	17:50
ezra-g	great	17:50
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sivang	hi all	17:51
mrshaver	ezra-g: I'm going to cruise around the site and make sure everything is OK, but it looks good so far	17:51
ezra-g	great	17:51
ezra-g	mrshaver: I'm doing a couple of test signups	17:51
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ezra-g	Signups seem to be working well	17:53
sivang	what's the way to get the qemu image working?	17:53
sivang	I get a missing kvm module in kernel when trying to run it	17:53
sivang	and I installed qemu-kvm from Lucid	17:53
sivang	do I need to restart or insmod the module manually?	17:53
Phazorx	is extlinux suposed to have when it is chainloaded from bcd?	17:53
Phazorx	using this: http://www.codingday.com/dual-boot-linux-and-windows-with-windows-boot-manager/ method	17:54
Phazorx	to have issues	17:54
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sivang	oh great, Ameya answered me on the ML.	17:55
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: tried fb_text2screen trunk on meego? :P	17:56
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ezra-g	I'm getting dupe emails as a non intel signup -- looking into it	17:57
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ezra-g	ok dupe emails resolved	18:01
ezra-g	somehow the default signup mail got enabled at http://conference2010.meego.com/node/1/signups/settings	18:01
ezra-g	mrshaver: did you want anyone to get an email each time someone signs up?	18:01
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mrshaver	ezra-g: I don't think that is necessary really	18:04
ezra-g	ok sure	18:04
ezra-g	mrshaver: Well, looks like we're in good shape!	18:04
mrshaver	Amy and Dawn will be tracking the signups pretty closely on the site I think	18:04
ezra-g	ok	18:04
mrshaver	ezra-g: great! I'm just submitting a new news item about the signups	18:05
ezra-g	cool	18:05
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ezra-g	mrshaver: I'll add "days attending" to the signup admin view	18:05
mrshaver	ezra-g: ya, that would be great	18:06
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lbt	hi mrshaver	18:08
mrshaver	lbt: hi	18:09
lbt	do we have any info on SSO/LDAP ?	18:09
mrshaver	lbt: nothing yet, but we're working on it for sure! :)	18:11
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lbt	OK - the community OBS is up enough that we'd like to add ldap connectivity	18:11
fiferboy_	Hi lbt	18:11
X-Fade	mrshaver: I'd rather not open the community OBS without SSO though.	18:11
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mrshaver	we have hired a security consultant to look at the community infrastructure and one of the main areas will be with user management on the servers and services	18:12
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CosmoHill	I like port 8000 :)	18:12
lbt	OK - do we have an eta for them talking to us?	18:12
lbt	(OBS us)	18:12
mrshaver	I'm hoping they contact you guys this week!	18:12
girishr	is the Qt meego port opensource/available somewhere?	18:13
mrshaver	I'm pushing for the planning and migration to happen by end of September at the latest	18:13
mrshaver	but that would mean we'd have to have ldap or whatever setup before that	18:13
X-Fade	mrshaver: A test ldap would already help I think.	18:14
slaine_	girishr: if you have are working on a meego install, yumdownloader --source qt	18:14
lbt	I was wondering that	18:14
slaine_	or look at the repo's	18:14
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lbt	X-Fade: anywhere we could put a VM <grin>	18:14
X-Fade	lbt: Yeah, but I'd rather work on something which can be used by all services.	18:15
girishr	slaine_: would that be qt/x11 or a some port of Qt on meego? for example, there is a qt/maemo5	18:15
lbt	do we have the schemas we'd use...	18:15
X-Fade	We'd probably need to map which info is available through Drupal accounts.	18:16
X-Fade	And then see what the other services need to know/store.	18:16
ezra-g	mrshaver: ok, they can now filter by day attending at http://conference2010.meego.com/node/1/signups/admin	18:16
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fabo	girishr: it's Qt/X11	18:17
slaine_	girishr: wot he said	18:17
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girishr	fabo: slaine_ : so i assume it either doesn't exist or it's not open yet :)	18:17
lbt	X-Fade: I'm around later this evening	18:17
slaine_	of course it's open	18:17
lbt	to work on the OBS I mean	18:17
mrshaver	ezra-g: thanks, how do I update the prod site then with any theme changes? Is it just a pull?	18:18
fabo	girishr: why? like slaine said ;)	18:18
slaine_	girishr: I just told you how to get the source	18:18
ezra-g	mrshaver: yes	18:18
X-Fade	lbt: Tethering through N900 as my adsl lines have a short somewhere.	18:18
mrshaver	ezra-g: great!	18:18
lbt	eek	18:18
ezra-g	mrshaver: excellent!	18:18
ezra-g	mrshaver: glad to see this up. I'm going to head afk for a bit but back in ~20-30	18:18
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* lbt has been busy... are we supposed to be signing up now?		18:19
mrshaver	ezra-g: OK, thanks for your efforts	18:19
ezra-g	thank you!	18:19
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mrshaver	lbt: go for it! we probably need the testing still ;)	18:20
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girishr	slaine_: fabo : well, atleast on n900, you can have either Qt/X11 or Qt/Maemo5. There are features Qt/Maeom5 adds like orientation support, better MainWindow etc	18:20
girishr	or did i misunderstand what you are saying?	18:20
girishr	i am thinking that Qt/Meego has to exist somewhere - otherwise how does one get those features?	18:21
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lbt	mrshaver: Name on Conference badge .... can I suggest you add "You may include an irc nickname ... eg Fred Bloggs / frebd"	18:21
lbt	or have a field for it	18:21
fabo	girishr: UI is built on top of Qt/X11, there isn't any Qt/MeeGo specific	18:22
mrshaver	lbt: good idea, IRC nick is on the main profile page, but probably would be good to add here as well	18:22
X-Fade	mrshaver: And role in the project?	18:23
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fabo	girishr: Qt Mobility provides some extras APIs	18:24
DawnFoster	we can only fit so much on the badge :)	18:24
* lbt didn't realise it wasn't a weekend...		18:24
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DawnFoster	X-Fade: we did add a bio field, so hopefully, people can add some info about their role	18:24
X-Fade	DawnFoster: Not everybody knows your name, but if you put your role underneath it, that would help :)	18:25
X-Fade	Ah ;)	18:25
X-Fade	Didn't see it in the form though.	18:25
slaine_	did I miss something, is the registration for the november conference on ?	18:26
slaine_	open even	18:26
X-Fade	Ah, you can edit it again.	18:26
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X-Fade	The tabs confused me ;)	18:26
lbt	mmm when I'm done it says "Your Signup Information" and that just says "Cancel signup"	18:26
lbt	heh and it knows I'm a nokia bod	18:27
X-Fade	lbt: Click edit and it will be a lot more interesting ;)	18:27
lbt	I don't have an edit	18:27
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DawnFoster	registration is open http://conference2010.meego.com/news/signup-now-meego-conference-2010	18:27
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girishr	fabo: i understand now, thanks. (meego touch subclasses Qt stuff as opposed to the Qt/maemo5 world where it's inside Qt)	18:28
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slaine_	So, what's the proposed IRC Nick on your badge approach ?	18:29
X-Fade	mrshaver: Cool you can see other people's t-shirt sizes ;)	18:30
lbt	slaine_: I put my name as "David Greaves / lbt"	18:30
slaine_	Firstname Lastname (aka nick)	18:30
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slaine_	lbt, I'll copy you so	18:30
X-Fade	lbt: Edit account. Contains IRC nick.	18:30
lbt	I'll probably become David Greaves / lbt / lbt	18:31
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slaine_	lbt, you won't mind me calling you lbt while drunk will you ;)	18:32
lbt	I'm quite used to people calling me that	18:33
mrshaver	X-Fade: whoops	18:33
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slaine_	of course, as the night goes on I could start calling you blt and try to eat you	18:33
lbt	eek	18:33
slaine_	but I'll try hard not to do that :)	18:34
X-Fade	mrshaver: Also all conference info is public. Like name on conference badge and days attending.	18:34
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mrshaver	X-Fade: I'll take a look, shouldn't be	18:34
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fiferboy	lbt: Are you going to be staying at the D4 for the conference?	18:36
X-Fade	mrshaver: click on ezra's link at attendees.	18:36
sivang	I'm lucky to have a short enough name that's easy to go with a nick, although I don't think I would be able to attend the conference which is a pity for me.	18:36
lbt	fiferboy: I need to check with Nokia... see what's happening	18:36
fiferboy	lbt: Ah yes, you are in a bit of a different situation this year	18:37
lbt	maybe	18:37
X-Fade	mrshaver: Uhm, I have just cancelled Ezra's conference registration.	18:37
mrshaver	X-Fade: I think we need to hide t-shirt size for sure, but maybe name on badge and planning on attending are fine for public consumption?	18:37
lbt	nb mrshaver.... for the future... I heard that there are issues with Ireland and England as venues due to visa problems ...	18:37
X-Fade	mrshaver: Sign up status can be altered on any account by anyone.	18:38
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mrshaver	X-Fade: I do see the tab, but it doesn't look like the status can be altered?	18:39
X-Fade	Ah, no it just filters his signups.	18:39
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X-Fade	On the main page, the attendees are overflowing the attendees box in FF for me.	18:41
X-Fade	It shows 4 icons on a row, where only 3 fit.	18:41
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mrshaver	X-Fade: yep, forgot to update that	18:42
mrshaver	thanks	18:42
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X-Fade	Other than that, it looks great :)	18:43
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* Jaffa 's definition of "extremely favourable" rates at the D4 obviously differ to everyone elses		18:55
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Phazorx	os there a "regualar" vesa console on deployed meego like there is on live image?	18:58
Phazorx	alt+arow or alt+f1 seems not have same effect	18:58
Phazorx	as they had on live image when pressed after instalation	18:58
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Jaffa	Ah, 2 nights of course; rather than 3.	19:02
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* Jaffa opens an accomodation thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1083		19:12
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GAN900	No coverage for accomodation?	19:29
GAN900	What?	19:29
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Stskeeps	wasn't there something about the wording for 'travel assistance' where there were supposed to be a blurb?	19:31
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GAN900	Well, if true, that's certainly going to limit attendability for non-affiliated people.	19:33
Stskeeps	ask on the relevant thread?	19:33
Stskeeps	quim started one so	19:33
GAN900	That sounds like an awful lot of work	19:34
Stskeeps	not sure where 'no coverage for accomodation' comes from, personally	19:34
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CosmoHill	lcuk: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/rocks-installing2.jpg :)	19:55
lcuk	CosmoHill, what is this? over	19:56
CosmoHill	left to right: Installing node (Linux), Windows 2008 HPC 64bit and Rocks Cluster 64bit	19:56
CosmoHill	It's my cluster at uni	19:57
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crysaz	uu. some hardware porn	19:58
CosmoHill	crysaz: as you wish: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/computer-corner.jpg	19:59
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lcuk	those monitors have been naughty. they are all facing the wall. over.	20:01
CosmoHill	haha	20:01
lcuk	CosmoHill, so what runs on the cluster then?	20:02
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CosmoHill	once it's done it will be used by parrallel computing students	20:03
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CosmoHill	it will also be used by some other students who need more processing power	20:04
CosmoHill	since we now have Mac pros in the labs I'm not so sure it will provide a boost	20:04
CosmoHill	I need to recompile openMPI for them	20:06
b-man`	why was everyone saying over? xD over.	20:06
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lcuk	X-Fade, there appears to be something funny happening to albanc's upload of monorail. its updated only part of the required package set (the source gives 2 .debs) monorail and monorail-dbg any chance you can just have a peek and see, I can't suss why its not working since everything appears to be in order	20:17
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lcuk	doh, that was meant to -> #maemo	20:18
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, "In order to take advantage of the extremely favourable rates in the D4 hotels, the first night will be charged to your credit card on receipt of your booking form, the balance of the payment will be charged to your credit card 7 days before arrival." doesn't sound paid.	20:19
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: there are lower rates for everyone coming	20:20
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: conference rates	20:20
lcuk	#meego #conference #camping would be fun	20:21
lcuk	though wifi connectivity may be an issue	20:21
Stskeeps	i'm planning to use that offer personally	20:21
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: go ask in the thread about sponsorship instead of guessing	20:22
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, ~€200 for two nights isn't really in my budget.	20:36
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RST38h	General: Well you do not even know if the travel will be sponsored	20:38
RST38h	General: So, it is prolly too early to even think of accommodations	20:38
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, true enough.	20:38
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GeneralAntilles	Well, there's a travel sponsorship request box on the web form.	20:39
Stskeeps	didn't it say travel sponsorship on our old maemo.org forms too?	20:39
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Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: there, went to ask for you.	20:43
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w00t_	Stskeeps: STOP SENDING ME MORE EMAIL :'(	20:47
abhijeet	hi guys	20:47
abhijeet	i have one doubt.	20:47
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: go see, it was not that negative.	20:47
abhijeet	to run meego in Xephyr do I need to have intel graphics...	20:47
LjL	how compatible (if at all) is meego with maemo programs?	20:47
abhijeet	can't it be used with other graphics cards.. my laptop has ATI	20:47
Stskeeps	LjL: qt, high, hildon, low	20:48
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LjL	most apps are hildon i suppose?	20:49
LjL	can hildon not be installed separately? i think it's kind of a self-contained package, as ubuntu also used to use it	20:50
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abhijeet	any response guys	20:51
w00t_	abhijeet: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=767 - YMMV	20:51
Stskeeps	LjL: i made a proof of concept libhildon on stock gtk but many apps will need rewriting	20:51
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: how would you compare maemo vs meego obsession to patch everything?	20:54
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: meego tells people to send patches upstream	20:54
Stskeeps	so that helps matters	20:54
RST38h	Rather than tell them open a brainstorm? :)	20:55
abhijeet	w00t_, thanks.. as u can see that you hack is not working in ATI cards	20:55
w00t_	no, but it gives you a point to start experimenting with	20:55
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: does meego have patching policy at all, btw?	20:55
w00t_	alternative would be to try install drivers inside chroot and see where that gets you	20:55
abhijeet	w00t_, ok	20:55
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: 'work upstream' is the key one, really	20:55
abhijeet	w00t_, are the meego guys working this to fix on non-intel display	20:56
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: well, meego devs are unlikely to have direct access to all upstreams it has	20:56
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: then you send patches upstream and add a patch in the meantime. has to be indicated as a patch in packaging, not fork our own tar.gz	20:56
w00t_	abhijeet: not in chroot form, I think work is going on to put it in emulated form	20:56
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Stskeeps	slonopotamus: the distribution engineers are rather rough and cool	20:57
abhijeet	w00t_, ok.. that would be nice... emulated form will be just like android.. right?	20:57
w00t_	I don't really know details	20:57
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: speaking of best practices, i can tell you what i see in gentoo. patches to toolchain are _only_ added after they're accepted upstream	20:58
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: yes, but gentoo is interesting	20:58
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: with upstream applying it to _next_ version and downstream applying it to current one	20:58
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: either way, it's evening and i'd rather spend some time on hacking n8x0 tonight :)	20:58
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Stskeeps	bbl	20:58
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abhijeet	w00t_, ok	20:59
RST38h	Stskeeps <-- retro guy =0	21:01
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abhijeet	is there any torrent for meego sdks..	21:04
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abhijeet	i have downloaded the meego SDK twice but both the time it got corrupted.	21:05
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CosmoHill	let me see	21:06
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CosmoHill	abhijeet: what's the file name?	21:06
CosmoHill	meego-sdk-0524.tar.bz2 ?	21:06
abhijeet	meego-sdk-0524	21:07
abhijeet	CosmoHill, yes	21:07
CosmoHill	can you link me to the md5sum?	21:07
abhijeet	CosmoHill, you need md5sum	21:08
CosmoHill	yes please	21:08
TSCHAKeee	does anyone know what the projected/actual battery time is on the AAVA CDK units?	21:08
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Stskeeps	CDK units?	21:08
abhijeet	CosmoHill, 77e53521b9488ce42b0f56389887be31	21:09
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TSCHAKeee	Stskeeps: the AAVA phones currently available via pre-order	21:10
Stskeeps	ah	21:10
CosmoHill	abhijeet: thanks	21:10
CosmoHill	abhijeet: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-sdk-0524.tar.bz2 :)	21:10
TSCHAKeee	i'm seriously debating on getting one	21:10
abhijeet	CosmoHill, again i have to download it?	21:11
CosmoHill	unless you have the correct md5sim	21:11
abhijeet	CosmoHill, ok	21:11
abhijeet	CosmoHill, i found another sdk : meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0729.tar.bz2	21:11
CosmoHill	if you have the same md5sum then it will be fine	21:11
abhijeet	CosmoHill, what is the difference between these tow	21:11
CosmoHill	i;d guess one is newer?	21:12
abhijeet	CosmoHill, in that case should i go for the new one??	21:12
abhijeet	CosmoHill, i found that at : http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux	21:12
CosmoHill	maybe...	21:13
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abhijeet	CosmoHill, it is quite a pain.. can anyone share the big sdk using torrent	21:13
abhijeet	CosmoHill, files are always have same checksum when downloaded with torrent.	21:14
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slaine	what a day	21:30
auke	I agree	21:30
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auke	we had an evacuation drill here at intel today	21:30
slaine	mmmm, thanks	21:30
auke	wasted 40 minutes outside in the parkin lot :D	21:30
slaine	I'd a plumber here today, who managed to drill right through a pipe and empty my central heating system onto my lovely wooden floors	21:31
auke	your entire house now is a sauna?	21:31
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slaine	lol	21:31
slaine	it's summer here, so the heating wasn't on	21:31
Stskeeps	slaine: preparing for the finns coming to dublin?	21:31
slaine	it's all cleaned up now	21:32
slaine	the reason I hired a plumber was to avoid me doing such a dumb ass thing	21:32
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lcuk	slaine, that failed then	21:56
lcuk	:(	21:56
slaine	indeed	21:57
slaine	live and learn	21:57
lcuk	auke, 40 minutes in the parking lot is not wasted time - its team building	21:57
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slaine	auke, if it was sunny then double bonus :)	21:57
lcuk	extra cig break	21:57
lcuk	but did everyone walk out in their intel moonsuits?	21:57
lcuk	(or did tv lie and thats not actually standard issue for every employee?)	21:57
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* Stskeeps ponders adding 'will only eat things with bacon' in the dietary restrictions field		22:11
leinir	;)	22:12
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GAN900	Somebody really needs to get MeeGo on the Streak	22:15
Stskeeps	GAN900: i think smoku was thinking about that	22:15
Stskeeps	GAN900: someone got meego on archos 9 today	22:16
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GAN900	Stskeeps, save it for people with legitimate dietary restrictions. :P	22:16
Stskeeps	GAN900: yeah, i'm not an idiot :P	22:17
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lcuk	Stskeeps, escalate the issue to the TSG - people should be identifying that they DO NOT want bacon.	22:17
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TSCHAKeee	what's the "Streak" ?	22:18
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lcuk	the Streak is what stskeeps does when he sees the bacon butties	22:18
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TSCHAKeee	rimshot	22:20
TSCHAKeee	;)	22:20
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* GAN900 has a dimmer that flashes when off.		22:44
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GAN900	TSCHAKeee, Dell.	22:44
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GeneralAntilles	How are there so many fools subscribed to the lists that can't figure out how to unsubscribe except by sendings all-caps emails back to it. . . .	23:12
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lcuk	GeneralAntilles, thats the normal way to unsub from some lists - what part makes them fools?	23:33
GAN900	lcuk, mail an all caps request TO THE LIST? No, no it's not.	23:34
auke	HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS IRC CHANNEL /RAGE	23:34
lcuk	sigh	23:35
Stskeeps	auke, unless you have a irc capable mobile device, evacuation drills seem to do the trick	23:36
ShadowJK	PLEASE STOP TALKING URE MAKING MY LAPTOP BEEP AND IM TRYING TO SLEEP NEED TO GET UP EARLY TOMORROW	23:36
auke	hahaha	23:36
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auke	in other news: irc kills power savings, adds to global warming	23:37
Stskeeps	still pondering how irc suitable for power saving would look like, protocol wise	23:38
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auke	batched. it's called e-mail.	23:40
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DocScrutinizer	it's called ZNC with some patches, to filter/aggregate join/quit msgs and other useless stuff, and send it on bulk together with the unevitable NAT keepalive ping every few minutes	23:48
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ShadowJK	batched is the key, you don't need realtime if screen is off.	23:57
ShadowJK	PMs and highlights could be an exception	23:57
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ShadowJK	So an additional command to ask server to store stuff for a 1-5 minutes before sending it as a burst	23:59
ShadowJK	and to ask to sen burst earlier on PM or filter expression	23:59

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