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lbtcopyleft: ping ... did you email me details for OBS access?01:21
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LycusHey, what package management system does Meego use? From the gist of things it looks like it's binary compatible with Fedora. Is that right?01:41
thiago_homerpm and no01:42
LycusSo if I wanted to install X-CHAT or, say, gnome-rdp, I'd have to compile it from source?01:43
thiago_homeif it's not in the repositories, yes01:44
DawnFosterhmmm, not necessarily01:44
thiago_homewell, packages from other distros may or may not work01:44
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DawnFosterI've installed some rpms without recompiling01:44
DawnFosterright, but they may01:44
thiago_homethe point is that MeeGo isn't making a conscious effort to stay compatible01:44
DawnFosterso far, I've had pretty good luck with a few.01:44
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DawnFosterbut if his question is can I install a random rpm - sure, try it.01:45
ScottishDuckthiago_home: since when were distros cross-compatable?01:45
ScottishDuckmost of them aren't01:45
thiago_homeI also needed libjpeg8, but trying to install that would remove a lot of stuff, so I just copied the files01:45
thiago_homeScottishDuck: some distros have a policy to stay compatible with other distros01:46
ScottishDuck...such as?01:46
LycusCentOS.01:46
thiago_homethe Ubuntu family and Debian, CentOS and Fedora, PCLinuxOS and Mandriva01:46
LycusCentOS' whole purpose is to stay binary compatible with RHEL.01:46
LycusBut be free.01:46
ScottishDuckthiago_home: distro based on other distros would be compatable01:47
thiago_homeScottishDuck: not really01:47
ScottishDuckthat's basically what you just stated01:47
thiago_homethe fact that it's based on doesn't imply it's compatible01:47
LycusMost .deb files meant for Debian won't work on a modern Ubunt installation.01:47
LycusUbuntu*01:48
thiago_homeSuSE was based on Slackware, but it definitely wasn't compatible01:48
thiago_homeMandriva was based on Red Hat but dropped compatibility too01:48
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ScottishDuckwhy are you contradicting yourself01:48
thiago_homeno, I'm not01:48
thiago_homethe point is that "base on" is not a guarantee01:48
ScottishDuckyou said ubuntu was compatable with debian01:48
thiago_homethe conscious effort to maintain the compatibility is the guarantee01:48
thiago_homeyes, I did01:49
thiago_homeand yes, Ubuntu is mostly compatible with Debian01:49
thiago_homebut the reason for that is the conscious effort to stay compatible, not simply because it's based on Debian01:49
LycusWell, I saw on Meego's wiki that it recommended installing a . rpm meant for Fedora to install Dropbox, so I was curious if it was, in practice, largely binary compatible with Fedora.01:49
thiago_homeLycus: currently, in practice, it is largely compatible01:49
thiago_homebut since there's no official policy to stay, it may drift in the future01:50
DawnFosterI've installed several rpm files without any issues - many will work, some will not01:50
ScottishDuckfor security, it's actually the best practice to be binary incompatible with other distros01:50
ScottishDuckalso just for general bug squashing01:52
lcukthiago_home, would it drift as far as hosting a deb inside an rpm wrapper :P01:53
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tmztScottishDuck: security? you can always use a static bin or just ship the libraries you need02:22
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tmztubuntu starts with imports from debian unstable or something like that02:22
ScottishDuck"starts with"02:22
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LycusOut of curiosity is there any reason meego uses a .img for installation rather than the more standard .iso?02:23
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LycusHmm... what does everyone here use for IRC in meego? There's no XChat in the repos.03:35
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LycusWhere'd everyone go? =/03:56
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crysazterminal+ssh+screen+irssi?09:01
dm8tbr==win09:03
Stskeepshow's the port coming, dm8tbr?09:04
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dm8tbrStskeeps: I spent a week waiting for powermanagement patches for pvr09:04
Stskeepswhere did you try to grab it from?09:05
Stskeepsthe driver, that is09:05
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dm8tbrarchos uses different PM that n90009:05
Stskeepsyeah09:05
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Stskeepsi once ported the pvr from maemo to beagleboard, a pain :P09:06
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ejharthey guys does meego have a daily build?09:08
dm8tbrthey helped me with the omaplfb part09:08
dm8tbrbut then the PM got ugly and I asked for the source09:08
Stskeepsejhart: repo.meego.com09:08
dm8tbrbecause both modules claim to be GPL d'uh09:08
ejhartwhat's the latest kernel that meego is using09:09
ejhart?09:09
Stskeepsejhart: 2.6.35-rc3 or 4, can't recall09:09
dm8tbrI guess the guy just forgot :/09:09
dm8tbrStskeeps: I think I'm going to try the n8x0 image you made instead.09:09
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dm8tbreven if it's slow. I need some satisfaction09:10
Stskeepsi would wait a couple of days until Trunk is settled09:10
ejharthmm might have to give it a go09:10
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ejhartI'm trying to find a nice netbook distro for my Lenovo s10-3t09:10
ejhartwindows is just way too bloated for the atom09:10
dm8tbrsomeone had problems with the wireless driver on that09:10
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ejhartyeah the driver is broadcom so it's expected lol09:11
ejharteverything broadcom has always been a pita ime09:11
ejhartwhat package system does meego use?09:12
Stskeepsrpm09:12
Stskeepsand zypper09:12
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ejharthmm darn09:13
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dm8tbrzypper feels a lot like apt-get to me :)09:13
ejharttrue it's just package name translations that get me hehe09:14
ejhartI'll live boot the July 13 build and check it out09:14
ejhartmeego does live boot yeah?09:14
Stskeepsuncertain on the netbook side09:15
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ejhartguess I'll find ou09:15
ejhartout09:15
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ejhartso there's nothing like jockey-gtk for meego to find and install proprietary drivers?10:45
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JaffaMorning, all10:50
Stskeepsmorn10:50
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X-FadeMorning10:51
Stskeepsmorn X-Fade10:51
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ejhartso getting the broadcom wirless to work with the instructions on slain didn't work with the daily builds?10:53
Stskeepsnew kernel at least10:54
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ejhartgiving it a go now10:56
ejhartdon't see why it shouldn't work10:56
ejhartunless it's just not the right drivers10:56
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tmztejhart: what device?10:57
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ejhartit's the Lenovo s10-3t11:02
ejhartnetbook/tablet11:02
tmztwhat's slain?11:03
ejhartsome website that links from the meego help11:03
ejhartabout packing and installing broadcome wifi drivers11:03
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ejharthmm11:07
ejhartlooks like it will work11:07
ejhartI just have to install meego first11:07
ejharthaving user/group issues11:07
dragonlinuxis meego is available to be install on n900 ?11:07
dm8tbris hear that is possible is yes11:08
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X-Fadedragonlinux: As some kind of a tech preview yes.11:08
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ejhartI take that back11:09
ejhartit's a kernel issue11:09
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ejharttmzt this is the website http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html11:13
ejhartdoesn't want to work with 2.6.35 though11:13
Stskeepswell, it is meego 1.011:14
ejhartI know11:14
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ejharthmm11:18
ejhartPatch for kernel 2.6.33 and higher11:18
ejhartthat's what it says on the broadcom site so it should work11:18
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Stskeepsyes, but needs to be recompiled11:19
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ejhartwell there's your problem11:33
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ejhartthe kernel-netbook-devel is incomplete11:34
ejhartthere isn't even a src dir11:34
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Stskeepsjust needed headers and makefiles11:34
ejhartwell to patch it I need the src dir11:35
ejhartlol11:35
ejhartthe broadcom patch is wanting to patch11:35
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Stskeepsyou patch the source tree11:35
Stskeepswhich isn't -devel11:35
ejhartlinuxver.h in /src/include11:36
ejhartgotcha11:36
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lbt_ can we have an irc-logger in #meego-dev please11:38
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Stskeepshttp://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego-dev/11:40
Stskeepsadd to topic11:40
tmztand #meego-arm ?11:41
lbt_I don't think I have rights in any meego chans11:42
Stskeepsmeego-arm has logs in topic11:42
Stskeepsalways had11:42
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ejhartah poo kernel panic heh11:44
ejhartwell it's def got some potential11:44
lbt_bbl11:44
ejhartonce wifi patch is included in the kernel or maybe an easier way to install it like jockey-gtk style and the multitouch gets figured out it'll be really nice with meego11:45
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ejharthopefully by the time 2.6.35 gets to stable release the Cando touchscreen will have multitouch11:50
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* X-Fade sees a brave soul compile Qt4.7 on community OBS ;)14:37
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faidwhat's the integration plan for Qt Mobility in MeeGo? will the latest releases be integrated as soon as they are available?15:13
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fabofaid: there isn't any integration plan for Qt Mobility in MeeGo, there's only 2 releases of Qt Mobility15:24
fabo1.0.1 will be pushed soon to MeeGo15:25
ejhartyeah on it now15:25
alteregoWill MeeGo be using MAFW15:25
alterego?15:25
ejhartgotta have some kind of hardware propriatery driver install or something15:25
ejhartlol15:25
ejhartgetting broadcom wifi drivers installed is a pita15:26
faboejhart: on it now ? me too :)15:27
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* thiago_home would love if someone created a "non-free" repository with the broadcom driver as a dkms15:28
faidfabo: Ok, what I'm especially interested in is the Camera API, which was available in 1.0.0beta1 but got pulled from the release and is scheduled to be back in 1.1.015:29
fabothiago_home: non-oss ?15:29
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thiago_homeyes15:30
fabofaid: atm; I doubt 1.1.0 is released in time for MeeGo 1.115:30
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fabothiago_home: I mean we have a non-oss repository15:30
slaineI tried to push this with Intel but their lawyers said NO15:30
ejhartyeah I can't get the damn drivers to compile though15:30
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ejhartthey won't compile with just the kernel dev15:31
ejhartso I'm trying to download the source which is not working out very well15:31
slainethere's an indemnification clause in the broadcom license that revents it from happening15:31
slaineejhart: I assume you've tried my source rpm ?15:31
thiago_homefabo: I meant one that isn't "approved"15:31
ejhartslaine yes15:32
ejhartit won't compile with 2.6.3415:32
ejharter 3515:32
thiago_homefabo: like the PLF is for Mandriva (contains MP3 codecs, Flash, some firmwares, etc.)15:32
ejhartso I'm trying to just patch and compile15:32
ejhartI'm thinking I need to remove the kernel-netbook-dev and just install the source?15:32
ejhartnope15:35
ejhartstill not installing source sigh15:35
ejhartslaine any ideas/help would be greatly appreciated15:35
faidfabo: sounds reasonable. I've been trying to find a release date for 1.1.0 but all I could find was second half of 2010..15:35
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AstralStormhello15:46
AstralStormwhich phone to take: Nokia n900 or Samsung Galaxy S?15:46
AstralStormsamsung has the tasty screen...15:46
AstralStormprice is about the same15:47
AstralStormn900 has the nice keyboard15:47
X-FadeAstralStorm: This is not the right channel for questions like that.15:47
AstralStormwhich one is?15:49
AstralStorm:)15:49
AstralStormthis one should have a... wide cell-phone interested audience15:50
AstralStormand supposedly isn't vendor-specific15:50
AstralStormother suggestions are also welcome apart from these two phones15:50
X-FadeBut both aren't sold running MeeGo :)15:50
AstralStormI'm interested in 800x48015:50
AstralStormis any phone sold running meego? thought not15:51
AstralStorm;p15:51
VReso therefore you are asking on wrong channel15:52
AstralStormso what's the right channel?15:52
X-FadeTry #offtopic15:52
AstralStormthis is as right as I know15:52
AstralStormhmmph15:53
VResome phoneforums in www-world15:53
AstralStormforums are slow :/15:53
VReif u are in such a rush, then you better to go buy both15:53
AstralStormI'm not *that* rich15:53
ejhartslaine it gives me an error for wl_linux.c struct net_device has no member named mc_list and mc_count15:54
ejhartin _wl_set_multicast_list15:54
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yaelHi, is there a wiki that explains how I can create my own meego panel? I wanted to know mainly if I could create a new panel using Qt instead of GTK.15:56
slaineejhart: to be honest, I've been so busy, I've not looked into it (still haven't ported my gstreamer rpms either)15:57
slaineIs there an updated kernel that I'm not seeing ?15:57
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ejhart2.6.35-4 is what I'm on15:59
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ejhartrc415:59
ejhartinstalled the meego build from the 13th15:59
townxelliotyael: as far as I'm aware, there's no documentation on creating your own panel; but the source for the netbook panels is available to work from15:59
slaineah right, bleeding edge15:59
ejhart2.6.33 won't work for my touchscreen :(15:59
slaineas in, it's not recognized as a hid device ?16:01
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ejhartyeah they didn't patch for Cando touchscreen till 2.6.3416:01
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slainenever heard of that one16:02
yaeltownxelliot: thanks,seems like all existing panels are using GTK, I was hoping to get some info on how I could use Qt instead. Any suggestion for that?16:04
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ejhartlmao16:07
ejhartwell16:07
ejhartI got it to compile16:07
ejhartit's all hacked up though :P16:07
ejhartwarnings up the wazoo16:07
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townxelliotyael: the netbook panels (expect bluetooth and network) are written in Mx + Clutter, rather than GTK16:11
fabolbt: sorry :) main.cpp:73: fatal error: error writing to /tmp/cch4C20N.s: No space left on device16:11
slainetownxelliot: what are the bluetooth/network panels written in then16:11
townxelliotyael: http://clutter-project.org/16:11
faboX-Fade: ^^^ see my message16:11
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yaeltownxelliot: thank you, that looks very promissing :-)16:12
townxelliotslaine: GTK, I believe16:12
slaineright16:12
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ejhartyeah this isn't gonna work16:17
ejhartinsmod is failing :/16:17
ejhart-1 unkown symbol in module?16:18
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iamerStskeeps: Hello, I was trying to build meego for arm using mic2 and found some issues that I had to workaround, and was told to contact you about them.16:26
Stskeepsiamer: jump into #meego-arm - for starters, do yourself a favour and get a fedora VM instead of whatever you run at the moment16:27
iamerStskeeps: I am there now16:27
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mmeeksthiago_home: quick random Qt query - I install the handset goodness on an Intel Atom from public Trunk repos; I run mcompositor: symbol lookup error... QListData::detach_grow(int *, int);16:32
mmeeksthiago_home: any ideas ? :-) [ also is there a MeeGo:Handset 'sdk' (chroot tar-ball) as there appears to be for Netbook ]16:33
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ejhartreally wish this damn thing would tell me where struct_net_device is16:34
ejhartso anyone have any ideas why I can't get the whole kernel source installed?16:37
thiago_homemmeeks: that's a new symbol in 4.716:37
thiago_homemmeeks: it means mcompositor was built with 4.7 but you're running against 4.616:38
mmeeksthiago_home: ta. very much :-)16:38
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amjadi have compiled and tested my first package using beta community obs :)17:17
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Stskeepscool, congrats17:17
amjadthnx17:17
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slaineam I the only one seeing moblin-panel-web crash a lot ?18:01
slaineI wonder if it's 'cause I'm using Chrome over Chromium18:01
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Twiggy2hay18:40
The-Compilerhey18:40
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* microlith looks at Ars and facepalms18:46
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alteregoIs MeeGo using MAFW?18:54
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microlithmafw?18:54
alterego"Media Application Framework"18:54
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alteregoDeveleoped by Nokia for Maemo18:54
microlithoh18:54
microlithunlikely18:54
GAN900microlith, what's Ars do?18:54
microlithGAN900: not so much ars as their link to phoronix regarding the GMA600 chipset18:55
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microlithalterego: if there's anything maemo inside meego, I can't see it18:55
alteregoHeh18:55
alteregoTelepathy?18:56
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alteregoTelepathy wasw a Nokia initiative ..18:56
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microlithbasically this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxOA18:58
alteregoSo what is MeeGo using for it's multimedia ?18:59
alterego(on top of gstreamer) ...18:59
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alteregoIf they're using Tracker too, MAFW kind of makes sense ..19:00
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slainealterego: the media player is banshee19:02
alteregoI mean inbetween the application layer and gstreamer, if there isn't anything then fine ..19:03
slaineThere's a Qt media framework iirc that people are encouraged to use19:03
alteregoWell, found a thread on meego-dev19:03
slaineyeah, that was fun19:03
alteregoUrgh19:03
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alteregoI kind of liked MAFW too :/ Thought Nokia's use of dbus services, Telepathy, MAFW was really cool.19:04
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lcukalterego, i have to concur :P it works well and removed the need for each app to rebuild from scratch just to (for instance) make a track changing widget19:07
alteregoYeah, That and my Media IM status updater :)19:08
alteregoMaybe we should rally for it :D19:08
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* mmeeks has the handset UI running (just launched mcompositor under Xephyr in a chroot), yet the screen is empty and black ;-)19:10
* mmeeks wonders if some magic wait-for-vrefresh is not happening (or somesuch)19:10
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w00t_mmeeks: do you have anything except mcompositor running?19:10
mmeeksw00t_: nothing,19:11
* mmeeks suspects he needs his uxlaunch -x patch that auke is reviewing here too (perhaps)19:12
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w00t_mmeeks: you probably want to run something else like the home manager, duihome or mhome or whatever it is called19:13
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* mmeeks boggles generally at the heap ...19:17
mmeeksw00t_: the duihome (once) showed me some black-and white demo-app like set of menus :-)19:18
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w00t_that sounds like widgetsgallery19:18
mmeeksw00t_: it seems to mostly fail on start with an X Error: BadMatch etc. ;-)19:18
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mmeeksw00t_: is there really no way to easily run this on a PC ?19:19
mmeeksw00t_: no kvm image ? or ...19:19
w00t_mmeeks: not that I know of.. early days, and nobody has put anything together afaik19:19
w00t_i could be wrong19:19
w00t_I've been busy lately so I haven't been keeping up19:19
mmeeksw00t_: thanks anyhow ...19:20
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Stskeepsmmeeks: there was a netbook image at some point19:24
mmeeksStskeeps: sure, the netbook stuff works beautifully for me :-)19:24
mmeeksthe handset - not at all (sadly)19:24
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slaineI'm pretty sure there was a guide to get the handset working on a netbook19:24
slaineI think that's what Stskeeps might have meant19:24
mmeeksslaine: ah ok - bootstrap one from the other :-)19:24
mmeeksneat19:24
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Stskeepsthere's a post on the forum.meego.com forum by tekojo i elieve19:25
slainethere may even have been a kickstart file19:25
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slaineyeah, thats sounding familiar Stskeeps19:25
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slainegrrrr19:35
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slainemoblin-panel-web is pissing me off19:35
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th0br0haha, awesome.20:54
th0br0this is the first time i've seen nokia-related spam in my inbox20:55
th0br0http://pastebin.ca/190190920:55
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th0br0heya Stskeeps, safely back home?21:01
th0br0s/safely back home/back home safely/21:01
infobotth0br0 meant: heya Stskeeps, back home safely?21:01
Stskeepsyeah, no plane crashes for me. glad to be back to have an ordinary work day21:02
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Guest99494hi all! what is the address of the community OBS? how can I get an account?21:53
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ChildOfGodI was trying to build one module at a time on my Ubuntu from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux . I had to battle too many dependency problems. In most cases I had most of the requisite packages but it kept looking for some *.pc file which is supposed to be found in /lib/pkgconfig/ dir . Is building this stuff easier on Fedora?21:58
ChildOfGodActually I want to know the best work flow for hacking the netbook-ux22:00
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th0br0Guest99494: ask lbt once he's around.22:11
lbtumm... wassup...22:11
lbtHi Guest99494....22:12
ChildOfGodCould someone just share his/her netbook-ux hacking workflow with me?22:12
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lbtthe OBS is just open for beta testing at the moment22:13
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lbtwe have a fair few testers on the meego side already so not especially looking for more at the moment unless you've got masses of OBS knowledge and lots of time to help hack ;)22:14
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ChildOfGodWhat is OBS?22:15
ChildOfGodah, its opensuse build service22:17
Guest99494is there a timeline?22:17
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Guest99494I would like to setup a local OBS at my company22:17
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service may help22:18
lbtwe are at the mercy of the hardware pixies22:18
lbtI would call them hardware gods but clearly they are having great difficulty moving the damned stuff ;)22:19
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lbtwe were assured it would be in by mid-june22:19
lbtwhen I asked "what year?" I was kidding22:19
lbtnow...22:19
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Guest99494so I will try that link, tks23:08
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