| microlith | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator#Run_MeeGo_Image_Creator | 00:00 |
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| BluesLee | thanx | 00:00 |
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| kallam | CosmoHill: in n900 usb-networking is one posible | 00:01 |
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| CosmoHill | my friends were talking about the iphone | 00:03 |
| CosmoHill | lots of money for everything I don't want and nothing I do want | 00:03 |
| conny | Hi All, joining late, so sorry I not informed. Tried the latest .ks file without success. Is it supposed to work? | 00:03 |
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| CosmoHill | conny: how latest? one came out within the past hour | 00:03 |
| conny | CosmoHill: This one: meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-closed-1.0.80.8.20100630.ks | 00:04 |
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| CosmoHill | okay that is the latest | 00:06 |
| conny | And is it supposed to work? I'm new to mic2 etc. I get a stack trace. After: Getting comps repodata/comps.xml from repo nokia-proprietary... | 00:07 |
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| CosmoHill | Mock the week :) | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | dammit it's a repeat | 00:09 |
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| villemv_ | hey, only now noted that forum.meego.com is much better with the non-default style (fluid) | 00:10 |
| conny | Maybe I should just go to sleep and wait until the dust has settled :) | 00:10 |
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| greenback | hi | 00:20 |
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| * greenback is new to meego interested in this thing | 00:20 | |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 00:21 |
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| greenback | welcome andyross | 00:23 |
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| ScottishDuck | So... anyone got a N900 image yet or am I going to have to download fedora 12 :3c | 00:23 |
| CosmoHill | if you can run fedora 12 on a N900 i'll be impressed | 00:23 |
| ScottishDuck | pfft, easy | 00:23 |
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| ScottishDuck | Just run it in Virtualbox (on gentoo( | 00:24 |
| ScottishDuck | s/(/) | 00:24 |
| conny | Download it, not sure it will work, though. I'm trying to build using Ubuntu, but no success so far. | 00:24 |
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| ScottishDuck | ubuntu x86? | 00:26 |
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| conny | ubuntu x86_64 | 00:26 |
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| th3hate | i tried on ubuntu before and it didn't work | 00:27 |
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| th3hate | don't waste your time | 00:27 |
| millenomi | hi everyone -- quick question | 00:27 |
| conny | Someone with success on Fedora? | 00:27 |
| millenomi | is there any way to run the Handset variant emulated? | 00:27 |
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| conny | Better use Fedora 12 as stated in the docs or Fedora 13? | 00:28 |
| millenomi | ... hope this is not a frequent question omg should have rtf release notes etc etc, but still :) | 00:28 |
| CosmoHill | first person to put their hand up gets my help | 00:29 |
| ScottishDuck | ^ | 00:30 |
| conny | millenomi: You first need an image. At the moment there are no pre-build images. Once you have the image it should be possible to run it using qemu. | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ << what I'm looking for | 00:30 |
| villemv_ | someone said the image won't work in qemu | 00:30 |
| millenomi | so the Aava image cannot be run in an emu? | 00:30 |
| millenomi | oh. | 00:30 |
| villemv_ | because of lack of 3d | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | correct, not enough 3D support | 00:30 |
| millenomi | uf. | 00:30 |
| conny | villemv_: don't know, but the last N900 image did work in qemu. | 00:30 |
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| neidlingerj | Second conny's question: Can we build under Fedora 13 painlessly, or better to use Fedora 12? | 00:31 |
| CosmoHill | the latest N900 image actually has a UX which requires 3D acceleration | 00:31 |
| millenomi | so no emu for now | 00:31 |
| conny | CosmoHill: True, but Maemo5 could be run withouth 3d/HW. Was just a bit low. | 00:31 |
| ScottishDuck | neidlingerj: couldn't get it to work on F13 | 00:32 |
| millenomi | :( | 00:32 |
| neidlingerj | ok f12 it is, thanks ScottishDuck | 00:32 |
| conny | So any positive feedback for F12? | 00:32 |
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| th3hate | will we see a ready image by tomrrow, or we have to make our own? | 00:32 |
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| neidlingerj | i would posture they aren't going to put up a ready image | 00:33 |
| th3hate | how hard is it to make one? | 00:33 |
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| th3hate | lets say i have fedora ready | 00:34 |
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| th3hate | how much time does it take to make the image | 00:34 |
| conny | stskeeps: Can you say something on building the handset image on Fedora 12? Is it possible or should we wait for another .ks file? | 00:35 |
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| millenomi | another question! | 00:36 |
| millenomi | what is the Ui font in Handset? | 00:36 |
| millenomi | UI* | 00:37 |
| millenomi | I'm itching to make mockups | 00:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | is the n900 image up yet? is the n900 image up yet? is the n900 image up yet? is the n900 image up yet? | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 00:37 |
| conny | TSCHAKeee2: No :) | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heheheh | 00:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ';) | 00:38 |
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| microlith | Do I need to turn this channel around!? | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | microlith: HE STARTED IT! | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :P | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :) | 00:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | okay i'm gonna stop acting like a jackass ;) | 00:38 |
| microlith | hehr | 00:40 |
| microlith | I cannot type today | 00:40 |
| microlith | not even simple thigns | 00:40 |
| microlith | @#$@# | 00:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | microlith: lysdexia scuks, don't it? | 00:40 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 00:40 |
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| Osama | will we see a ready image by tomrrow, or we have to make our own ? | 00:43 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | not that you'll read this | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | boobs | 01:03 |
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| millenomi | so, no idea on what font is that? (is it custom?) | 01:05 |
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| ScottishDuck | nut split | 01:07 |
| millenomi | ow | 01:07 |
| mikeleib | font? | 01:07 |
| CosmoHill | mwhahahahahha | 01:07 |
| millenomi | the font in the handset UI screenshots | 01:07 |
| jausmus | millenomi: I believe it's Droid Sans | 01:08 |
| jausmus | at least, it should be ;) | 01:08 |
| millenomi | oh! | 01:08 |
| mikeleib | yup it is | 01:08 |
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| millenomi | that's why I was getting this Android vibe, then. | 01:08 |
| millenomi | ok | 01:08 |
| millenomi | thanks | 01:08 |
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| millenomi | :) | 01:08 |
| millenomi | unsplit! | 01:08 |
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| millenomi | ew, you'd think an open source font would be easy to find | 01:12 |
| millenomi | the Droid family has an entire website dedicated to them without a single download link (!) | 01:12 |
| millenomi | http://www.droidfonts.com/ | 01:12 |
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| millenomi | anyway, found 'em: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=snapshot;h=39b04dd27e6d20809f8ff26920d1e761a0005252;sf=tgz | 01:13 |
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| millenomi | so, looking at the screenshots: there are actually three top bar UIs? strange. | 01:18 |
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| millenomi | ok, Firefox's is excusable. | 01:18 |
| * CosmoHill looks at his latency bar | 01:18 | |
| CosmoHill | well the only way is down | 01:18 |
| millenomi | the SMS top bar is thinner. | 01:18 |
| millenomi | than the top bar in the pictures explorer | 01:19 |
| millenomi | maybe because it's a drill-down? | 01:19 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone mind if I ask a VMware question? | 01:39 |
| trip0 | only if someone can answer it | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | wait, does that mean if my question isn't answered I get blamed? | 01:40 |
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| CosmoHill | anywa | 01:41 |
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| CosmoHill | I have VMware ESXI 4.0 64bit and I download the client from it | 01:41 |
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| CosmoHill | but it doesn't install on windows 7 | 01:41 |
| chris_ | Is your windows 7 install 64 bit? | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | it's VMware vSphere client and I can't download it because you need to buy something I think | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | chris_: yes | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | VMware go is driving me up the wall | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | so is there a GUI program I can use to manage ESXi 4? | 01:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I have Inferstructore client to manage ESXi 3.5 | 01:43 |
| ScottishDuck | pfft GUI | 01:43 |
| ScottishDuck | since when did anyone need GUI | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | basically my goal is to have a windows a linux cluster head node on the same physical machine | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | I just want to get the VMs set up and sort out remote desktop then I don't have to touch them again | 01:46 |
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| chris_ | So, the server needs to be Windows? | 01:47 |
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| CosmoHill | I plan to have Windows HPC and Rocks Cluster running on VMware | 01:47 |
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| chris_ | Sorry, out of my scope. | 01:48 |
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| CosmoHill | son of a bitch actually ran away | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | oh well | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | on thursday I'll go back to uni and swear at it for a few more hours | 01:50 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: installed on your aava yet? :P | 01:52 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: not yet | 01:53 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: I'll see if I have time tomorrow | 01:53 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 01:53 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: I should take it with me to akademy | 01:53 |
| * w00t_ is trying to do battle with fedora to get an image built for n900 | 01:53 | |
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| thiago_home | that's actually a good idea | 01:54 |
| * thiago_home needs to verify if the device he got is a public one | 01:54 | |
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| w00t_ | pfft, take it anyway, let god sort out the NDAs | 01:54 |
| w00t_ | :P | 01:54 |
| thiago_home | where's valtteri... | 01:55 |
| thiago_home | he's the one who arranged those aava for me | 01:55 |
| w00t_ | if he's got spares, I'll take 20 :-P | 01:56 |
| thiago_home | we were supposed to pay it from our cost centre, but somehow they arrived and weren't charged | 01:56 |
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| thiago_home | anyway, now the paperweights can be put to good use | 01:58 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 01:58 |
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| thiago_home | I received them last week, no toolchain, didn't do anything at boot | 02:00 |
| thiago_home | power on, plug USB cable, "hmm... it shows up as USB serial" | 02:00 |
| thiago_home | install minicom, connect to /dev/ttyACM0 | 02:00 |
| w00t_ | I'd actually probably *buy* an aava if they were available.. | 02:00 |
| thiago_home | "cool, a busybox prompt. Nothing installed. /sbin/poweroff" | 02:00 |
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| w00t_ | lol | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | busybox makes me sad | 02:01 |
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| CosmoHill | night night / bonne nuit | 02:36 |
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| Drakeson | [warning: I am new to meego] Is it easy to develop system software for meego? I have a bad experience with apple where you have to sign all sorts of crap, and swear to the holy steve that you abide by their rules. Are there restrictions to what you can touch? (e.g., can I develop a kernel module and install on my n900 without having to get permission from anybody?) | 02:37 |
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| trip0 | Drakeson, as easy as it gets | 02:41 |
| trip0 | and Drakeson, yes, people have installed 3rd party kernel modules in maemo | 02:42 |
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| trip0 | i can't imagine it would be terribly different for meego | 02:43 |
| ScottishDuck | so uh... is the n900 .ks broken? | 02:43 |
| FatalSaint | anyone tried building the new MeeGo from the kickstart file? Mine starts and downloads the repo files.. but then fails on a bunch of missing dependencies. | 02:43 |
| ScottishDuck | ^ | 02:43 |
| Drakeson | do I need extra hardware to touch kernel modules? | 02:44 |
| trip0 | Drakeson, extra hardware? | 02:44 |
| Drakeson | to change the firmware | 02:44 |
| trip0 | you need a PC of some sort to flash it | 02:45 |
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| DawnFoster | I think that there are some issues with the current .ks file. | 02:45 |
| Drakeson | trip0: thanks | 02:45 |
| DawnFoster | They've been working to get a new one up, but not sure about the status on it | 02:45 |
| FatalSaint | ok, thanks Dawn :) | 02:46 |
| FatalSaint | Thought I'd try | 02:46 |
| Drakeson | trip0: I don't need windows, or some such, right? | 02:46 |
| trip0 | nope | 02:46 |
| Drakeson | coool :) | 02:46 |
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| Scifi | Are these the correct instructions for N900 as well (once the .ks file is ready ofcourse) --> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator | 02:53 |
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| FatalSaint | w00t_ | 03:25 |
| FatalSaint | what you got? | 03:25 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: I dunno, waiting for m-i-c to tell me "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" | 03:26 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 03:26 |
| w00t_ | if it doesn't I'll dance and be happy | 03:26 |
| w00t_ | so far it looks promising, downloading lots of stuff | 03:26 |
| FatalSaint | I can get it as far as Retrieving the repository xmls.. then a bunch of | 03:26 |
| FatalSaint | xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx-0.4.0-2.7.armv5tel from nokia-proprietary has depsolving problems | 03:26 |
| FatalSaint | --> Missing Dependency: libgcc_s.so.1 is needed by package xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx-0.4.0-2.7.armv5tel (nokia-proprietary) | 03:26 |
| FatalSaint | did you change the .ks file? | 03:27 |
| w00t_ | I had the failed deps problem earlier too, but gave m-i-c different incantations and it seems to be going further | 03:27 |
| ScottishDuck | :) | 03:27 |
| w00t_ | (this really is one of the shittiest tools I think I've ever seen though, the hassles it put me through to get it working...) | 03:27 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 03:27 |
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| FatalSaint | what incantations did you use if you dont mine me asking? | 03:28 |
| w00t_ | I'd gladly tell you | 03:28 |
| w00t_ | but, I'd have to interrupt the download | 03:28 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 03:28 |
| ScottishDuck | :| | 03:28 |
| FatalSaint | new terminal with a ps -ef | grep mic? | 03:28 |
| w00t_ | hm | 03:28 |
| w00t_ | might work, hold on | 03:28 |
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| w00t_ | /usr/bin/python -t /usr/bin/mic-image-creator --run-mode=0 --cache=cache --format=ubi --arch=armv7l --config=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-closed-1.0.80.8.20100630.ks | 03:29 |
| ScottishDuck | while that downloads, quickly make a GSM modem driver and mediaplayer for meego that you can add to the repo | 03:29 |
| ScottishDuck | if you dont mind | 03:29 |
| ScottishDuck | :) | 03:29 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 03:29 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: shouldn't be hard to grab some existing media player and chuck it on there tbh | 03:29 |
| ScottishDuck | I figured that | 03:29 |
| FatalSaint | That lack of Phone support is quite frustrating for me :( | 03:29 |
| FatalSaint | the only expectation I had was to be able to make and receive phone calls lol | 03:29 |
| FatalSaint | hey | 03:30 |
| FatalSaint | its working | 03:30 |
| ScottishDuck | ? | 03:30 |
| FatalSaint | w00t_ ftw | 03:30 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: to borrow a joke from a friend of mine: you want to use your mobile computer as a phone!? | 03:30 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: I'll post it on tmo too then | 03:30 |
| ScottishDuck | so... you have to use python to make it work :( | 03:30 |
| FatalSaint | looks like all you added was python -t? | 03:30 |
| syndrome | Any videos of N900 and MeeGo yet? | 03:31 |
| ScottishDuck | well it doesnt work yet | 03:31 |
| ScottishDuck | so a good guess would be no | 03:31 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: I didn't add that, that's just what happens when I call mic-image-creator | 03:31 |
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| FatalSaint | oh, I was also using arm5 not armv7l I think.. that may have been part of it >.< | 03:31 |
| ScottishDuck | hmm | 03:31 |
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| w00t_ | armv7l or armv5tel are the two, iirc | 03:32 |
| FatalSaint | right, i was using armv5tel | 03:32 |
| FatalSaint | thats what was on the webpage | 03:32 |
| FatalSaint | looks like armv7l is building.. wonder if it'll work | 03:32 |
| w00t_ | fingers crossed :P | 03:32 |
| FatalSaint | hah, yup | 03:33 |
| ScottishDuck | the wrong arch all this time? | 03:33 |
| ScottishDuck | dayum | 03:33 |
| w00t_ | (if I'm the first to get this working I will be freaking -amazed-) | 03:33 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 03:33 |
| FatalSaint | Looks like you may be | 03:33 |
| FatalSaint | not sure what the difference is between arm5tel and arm7l | 03:33 |
| ScottishDuck | one is arm5 the other is arm7 | 03:33 |
| w00t_ | different archs, 5tel is n8x0 compatible | 03:34 |
| celsius_work | morning/evening all | 03:34 |
| ScottishDuck | quite a big difference | 03:34 |
| w00t_ | (I think) | 03:34 |
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| celsius_work | Would anyone be willing to answer a n00b question or two? | 03:34 |
| FatalSaint | Yes. K that's one :D | 03:35 |
| * FatalSaint hides | 03:35 | |
| FatalSaint | ;) | 03:35 |
| celsius_work | hahah | 03:35 |
| celsius_work | hey FatalSaint :) | 03:35 |
| FatalSaint | Sup | 03:35 |
| celsius_work | I guess the biggest question I have is "what is a usiimg file? And how can I flash it to an MMC for use with my boot loader?" | 03:36 |
| FatalSaint | ubiimg? | 03:36 |
| FatalSaint | ubiimg is meant to be used with flasher | 03:36 |
| celsius_work | Well as far as I can tell in the closed repository for the meego image for the n900 the image they provide is called "meego-codedrop-arm-n900-closed-201003311635.ubiimg" | 03:36 |
| FatalSaint | to load to MMC I think you need the raw.. | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | ah | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | yes | 03:37 |
| FatalSaint | Thats the old one | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | that makes sense | 03:37 |
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| FatalSaint | not the new one | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | they haven't provided the raw yet have they? | 03:37 |
| FatalSaint | w00t_, Scottish and I are currently trying to build the new one | 03:37 |
| FatalSaint | you use the .ks file and mic-image-creator to make the raw image | 03:37 |
| FatalSaint | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | using the kick start file? | 03:37 |
| FatalSaint | yes | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | oh yes | 03:37 |
| celsius_work | sorry, I hit enter before I read your response | 03:38 |
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| celsius_work | How is progress? Having any luck? | 03:38 |
| FatalSaint | downloading | 03:38 |
| celsius_work | deeeelightful. I take it you'll post something in the forums if you manage to get it to boot? | 03:39 |
| FatalSaint | one of us will i'm sure. Screenshots too probably if MeeGo has a way to do that lol | 03:39 |
| celsius_work | haha | 03:39 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: do you have an SD card? | 03:39 |
| celsius_work | I wish I could start trying to build it myself, unfortunatly the build process doesn't look like work to my boss :P | 03:39 |
| FatalSaint | yes | 03:40 |
| FatalSaint | @w00t_ | 03:40 |
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| w00t_ | FatalSaint: we have a problem.. | 03:40 |
| FatalSaint | whats that? | 03:40 |
| lcuk | w00t_, to build the image are you having to compile or merely download the binary packageset | 03:40 |
| FatalSaint | its downloading rpm's lcuk's.. so I'm thinking binary | 03:40 |
| w00t_ | I'm reliably informed that the kernel doesn't boot ubifs, due to size constraints.. so we need to rerun mic to build with -f raw | 03:40 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: binary RPM downloads | 03:40 |
| FatalSaint | ROFL | 03:40 |
| FatalSaint | damnit | 03:41 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 03:41 |
| FatalSaint | ok then... cancelling that | 03:41 |
| ScottishDuck | ... | 03:41 |
| w00t_ | (thanks to my informer who shall remain nameless so he doesn't get bombed with too much love on 3G) | 03:41 |
| lcuk | w00t_, thats easier then :) | 03:41 |
| FatalSaint | add --save-kernel too i'm thinking | 03:41 |
| ScottishDuck | meego = trollOS | 03:41 |
| FatalSaint | so | 03:42 |
| FatalSaint | if thats the case @w00t_... will this EVER be replaceable on the N900? | 03:42 |
| lcuk | lololol w00t_ your informer needs to drink more :p | 03:42 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: dunno honestly, too early to say I'd guess | 03:43 |
| ScottishDuck | N900 having that standalone rootfs chip was such a glaring design flaw | 03:43 |
| w00t_ | gnnggg.. VM frozen using 1.3GB of RAM | 03:43 |
| w00t_ | WTF is mic doing | 03:44 |
| lcuk | ask him :p | 03:44 |
| w00t_ | downloading everything to RAM? | 03:44 |
| w00t_ | :p | 03:44 |
| FatalSaint | mic only using 0.9% of mine | 03:44 |
| ScottishDuck | I only assigned 1GB to my VM :| | 03:44 |
| FatalSaint | I'm running in Ubuntu 9.10 tho | 03:44 |
| FatalSaint | no VM | 03:44 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: you got mic working on ubuntu natively? how the -hell- | 03:44 |
| ScottishDuck | lol ewbangtu | 03:45 |
| FatalSaint | git... and found and downloaded a python deb that it needed | 03:45 |
| w00t_ | I wasted a day of my life working on that with no real success (and mic authors, I'd really like that day back!) | 03:45 |
| lcuk | str="tro"; while $user="woot" { str=str & "olol" } | 03:45 |
| w00t_ | :) | 03:46 |
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| FatalSaint | w00t_ - I basically just ran the git section of the ARM_Image wiki page .. it errored on dependencies. Each time it errored I apt-get installed the missing dependency, cleared the caches, and retried | 03:47 |
| lcuk | hmmm why oes photostrip need its own physics | 03:47 |
| FatalSaint | the only one I had a problem with was python-elemntree or python-celementree.. | 03:47 |
| FatalSaint | latest in the ubuntu repo's was for Karmic.. so I just installed that one | 03:47 |
| FatalSaint | hey, it's installing | 03:47 |
| FatalSaint | Installing: libgnome-keyring ##################### [ 62/382] | 03:48 |
| FatalSaint | woohoo | 03:48 |
| FatalSaint | goooo mic | 03:48 |
| w00t_ | if vmware player doesn't start behaving, I will be forced to try do it native | 03:48 |
| FatalSaint | 333... | 03:48 |
| FatalSaint | done installing.. | 03:48 |
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| ScottishDuck | Am I correct in saying it is *impossible* to relocate N900 rootfs to main memory? | 03:49 |
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| FatalSaint | now it's just sitting here lol | 03:49 |
| FatalSaint | yay done | 03:49 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: wait and see. time is really too early to speculate about anythign yet | 03:49 |
| FatalSaint | time to install to SD | 03:49 |
| ScottishDuck | w00t_: time to destroy everything you've worked on and start on a gentoo base to cut the filesizes down :) | 03:50 |
| ScottishDuck | also w00t_: can I ask why the 2.6.35 kernel? Is it to get the most out of btrfs? | 03:54 |
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| w00t_ | dunno, but I'd presume it offers features/patches which are wanted | 03:54 |
| w00t_ | besides, living on the edge is always good fun | 03:55 |
| ScottishDuck | :) | 03:55 |
| ScottishDuck | Just 2.6.35 is a regression hell right now | 03:55 |
| FatalSaint | dd'ing to SD card | 03:55 |
| ScottishDuck | they actually stopped updating the kernel for nearly 3 weeks because it was so broken | 03:55 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: cool | 03:57 |
| ScottishDuck | FatalSaint: tell us how it goes | 03:57 |
| * w00t_ wishes he had an sd card and a copy of m-i-c that didn't hate him | 03:57 | |
| lcuk | you can have a digital pony instead w00t_ | 03:58 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: how'd you get around ubuntu lacking .. uhhh | 03:58 |
| ScottishDuck | yeah I don't have a microSD | 03:58 |
| w00t_ | syslinux | 03:58 |
| FatalSaint | downgraded it | 03:58 |
| FatalSaint | hold.. | 03:59 |
| FatalSaint | sudo apt-get install syslinux=3.85 | 03:59 |
| ScottishDuck | hmm... mkfs.ubifs is taking a long time | 03:59 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: that's the problem | 04:00 |
| w00t_ | I don't seem to have syslinux in the repos at all :D | 04:00 |
| FatalSaint | ... i did.. | 04:00 |
| w00t_ | oh, hold on | 04:00 |
| w00t_ | I do | 04:00 |
| w00t_ | 3.63 though.. | 04:00 |
| FatalSaint | which ubuntu? | 04:01 |
| FatalSaint | Im running 9.10 | 04:01 |
| w00t_ | 10.04 | 04:01 |
| FatalSaint | er | 04:01 |
| w00t_ | (WTF?) | 04:01 |
| FatalSaint | yeah thats what i have | 04:01 |
| FatalSaint | 10.04 | 04:01 |
| FatalSaint | lucid lynx | 04:01 |
| FatalSaint | i have all the multiverse, universe, etc turned on | 04:01 |
| w00t_ | same | 04:02 |
| w00t_ | this makes me a sad panda | 04:02 |
| * w00t_ tries to hunt down a package | 04:02 | |
| ScottishDuck | Error: failed to create image : Failed to make ubifs | 04:02 |
| ScottishDuck | ._. | 04:02 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: and it's like, so informative! :o | 04:02 |
| ScottishDuck | max_leb_cnt too low | 04:02 |
| ScottishDuck | apparently | 04:02 |
| w00t_ | ah | 04:03 |
| w00t_ | you can never have too many lebs! | 04:03 |
| w00t_ | :) | 04:03 |
| FatalSaint | OH | 04:03 |
| FatalSaint | meego repos! | 04:03 |
| FatalSaint | deb http://repo.meego.com/tools/repos/ubuntu/9.10/ / | 04:03 |
| FatalSaint | :D | 04:04 |
| w00t_ | doh | 04:04 |
| w00t_ | that er, might have helped ;) | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#From_Binary_Packages | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | found it there | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | there is 9.10 instructions but dont use them | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | the mic in the repo's is old or something | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | wouldn't run the right options | 04:04 |
| FatalSaint | so I built from git | 04:04 |
| w00t_ | yes | 04:04 |
| w00t_ | I had the same problem on fedora | 04:04 |
| w00t_ | except that I couldn't build it on fedora either | 04:04 |
| w00t_ | (don't ask why, I don't remember) | 04:05 |
| w00t_ | so I built a freak zombie hybrid mic from old and new components | 04:05 |
| w00t_ | which, come to think of it, may have been a bad idea given my VM was using a gig of RAM | 04:05 |
| FatalSaint | hey.. its booting | 04:05 |
| FatalSaint | with such a dark screen I can't read the text | 04:05 |
| FatalSaint | rofl | 04:05 |
| w00t_ | er.. | 04:05 |
| w00t_ | someone else had that problem | 04:05 |
| * w00t_ goes logdiving | 04:05 | |
| FatalSaint | oohh | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | i see Meego.. it's there... | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | but.. | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | black | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | rofl | 04:06 |
| FatalSaint | this is entertaining | 04:07 |
| w00t_ | gah.. where did I see this discussion | 04:07 |
| lcuk | w00t_, dev ml | 04:07 |
| w00t_ | no, I'm fairly sure it was IRC | 04:08 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: can you ssh in? I guess probably not | 04:08 |
| FatalSaint | i see someone had a black screen with the netbook one.. | 04:08 |
| FatalSaint | er... | 04:08 |
| w00t_ | I think it was like /sys/class/brightness/BLAH | 04:08 |
| w00t_ | or something | 04:08 |
| FatalSaint | maybe if I can squint long enough to setup wifi.. | 04:08 |
| lcuk | echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness | 04:08 |
| w00t_ | yes! | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | that is it | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | lcuk++ | 04:09 |
| celsius_work | FatalSaint: Squint harder! The fate of our dying world depends on it! | 04:09 |
| lcuk | on the meego dev ml.. | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: then my memory sucks \o/ | 04:09 |
| lcuk | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/2070 | 04:09 |
| FatalSaint | wheres the terminal.. | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | actually, no | 04:09 |
| FatalSaint | tell me meego doesn't include a terminal.. | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | I hadn't misremembered | 04:09 |
| celsius_work | Will it help if we all squint? | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | #maemo | 04:09 |
| w00t_ | :) | 04:09 |
| FatalSaint | SMS, clock, people, chat.. | 04:10 |
| FatalSaint | video.. | 04:10 |
| FatalSaint | no terminal | 04:10 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: ...hahaha | 04:10 |
| w00t_ | ironic given the first release only had one | 04:10 |
| ScottishDuck | building meego image with btrfs... see if that works | 04:10 |
| FatalSaint | found settings.. | 04:11 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: is there a "turn the backlight up goddammit" setting? | 04:12 |
| FatalSaint | "wifi is not available on this device" | 04:12 |
| FatalSaint | you're fl****** kidding me | 04:12 |
| FatalSaint | no phone OR wifi | 04:12 |
| FatalSaint | >.> | 04:12 |
| w00t_ | that er, seems odd | 04:12 |
| ScottishDuck | lole | 04:12 |
| w00t_ | they were actually discussing wifi in #meego-arm earlier | 04:12 |
| ScottishDuck | plug in an ethernet | 04:12 |
| w00t_ | so I wonder what has gone wrong for you | 04:12 |
| pwnguin | #meego-arm? | 04:12 |
| pwnguin | does that make this #meego-intel | 04:12 |
| pwnguin | ? | 04:12 |
| w00t_ | pwnguin: no | 04:12 |
| w00t_ | #meego-arm is the channel specifically where the ARM (and n900) adaptation people are working | 04:13 |
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| w00t_ | nothing stops people talking in #meego too of course (as you see above...) | 04:13 |
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| FatalSaint | this is soo hard to read | 04:13 |
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| ScottishDuck | w00t_: if I were to enable compression in btrfs, is there a chance I could squeeze meego onto rootfs? | 04:14 |
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| ScottishDuck | worth a shot I guess | 04:14 |
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| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: honestly, I don't know.. I'm not usually a systems guy, I just poke things hard enough until they start working | 04:14 |
| w00t_ | but sure, give it a go | 04:14 |
| ScottishDuck | :) | 04:14 |
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| ScottishDuck | I'm trying to remember n900 rootfs size | 04:15 |
| ScottishDuck | I think it's 256M | 04:15 |
| pwnguin | yes | 04:15 |
| w00t_ | that's the size of the internal chip, yes | 04:15 |
| FatalSaint | whoa | 04:15 |
| pwnguin | i think they were using an fs with compression built in | 04:15 |
| FatalSaint | they sure this is right? | 04:15 |
| FatalSaint | I just went to "Look and Feel" | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | "!!!!Example External Application | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | " | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | "title text 10" | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | !!Declarative Example1 | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | rofl | 04:16 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: unfinished I guess :) | 04:16 |
| w00t_ | I'm glad to see things like that | 04:16 |
| FatalSaint | yah i expected little stuff like that | 04:17 |
| FatalSaint | though.. a terminal would have seemed like a no-brainer.. | 04:17 |
| FatalSaint | especially on a 'dev' device for a 'dev' release.. | 04:17 |
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| ScottishDuck | well it's there, you just can't launch it | 04:17 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 04:17 |
| ScottishDuck | make X crash maybe | 04:17 |
| FatalSaint | i cant even turn it off lol | 04:18 |
| w00t_ | sure you can, throw it out a window | 04:18 |
| w00t_ | :-P | 04:18 |
| FatalSaint | i might try removing the battery first ;) | 04:18 |
| w00t_ | hehe | 04:18 |
| ScottishDuck | apparently X will crash if you push the lock button twice (sometimes) | 04:18 |
| FatalSaint | oh yeah | 04:19 |
| FatalSaint | true.. | 04:19 |
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| FatalSaint | lock is doing nothing, actually | 04:20 |
| ScottishDuck | If I could just get this image to fit on rootfs, I could work on porting banshee | 04:20 |
| ScottishDuck | but it's building now, so wait and see | 04:21 |
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| FatalSaint | if i could just get logged into mine i'd have a running meego on N900 :p | 04:21 |
| ScottishDuck | also wondering if I could transplant the GSM modem driver from maemo to meego as a quick'n'dirty phone fix | 04:21 |
| w00t_ | ScottishDuck: at a guess, I'd say no | 04:22 |
| ScottishDuck | So would I | 04:22 |
| w00t_ | iirc meego uses ofono, maemo doesn't, so even if you did, nothing else on the stack would actually be able to make use of it | 04:22 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | nope, maemo does not use ofono | 04:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | you'd have to make some sort of dummy driver | 04:23 |
| ScottishDuck | figured | 04:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | that talked to the modem over dbus | 04:23 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | at least, off the top of my head | 04:23 |
| w00t_ | (you know, for someone who knows nothing about the lower parts of the stack, I sure know how to sound like I do. :P) | 04:23 |
| FatalSaint | booted back into maemo for a sec | 04:23 |
| FatalSaint | my eyes were hurting lol | 04:23 |
| FatalSaint | hrm.. wonder if meego has rc.local | 04:23 |
| ScottishDuck | Derailing question: I assume meego is hal-less | 04:23 |
| FatalSaint | i can throw that command in there.. | 04:23 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | ScottishDuck: you are correct, sir. | 04:24 |
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| ScottishDuck | goody | 04:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i've never seen whole communities GLAD to get rid of something | 04:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | quite like HAL | 04:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | maybe devfs | 04:24 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 04:24 |
| ScottishDuck | KDE, however, are being a little late to the party | 04:25 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 is the lead dev for LinuxMCE, we had our own hell with HAL, just making a bridge to our messaging buss. | 04:25 | |
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| ScottishDuck | won't have HAL removed until *at least* 2011 | 04:25 |
| w00t_ | TSCHAKeee2: I dunno, I don't often talk to people who are happy with pulseaudio | 04:25 |
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| FatalSaint | how far you get w00t? | 04:26 |
| FatalSaint | oh.. no SD? | 04:26 |
| w00t_ | I got distracted, and yeah, no SD | 04:27 |
| w00t_ | (>:() | 04:27 |
| ScottishDuck | ubifs can't build either | 04:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | w00t_: i haven't moved LinuxMCE to pulseaudio yet, so i have no comment.. but it is on my list.. we need it so we can dynamically move audio from bluetooth devices to speakers, etc in the house | 04:27 |
| w00t_ | I have a second n900 I was determined to put meego on so I am quite annoyed | 04:27 |
| FatalSaint | well | 04:27 |
| w00t_ | TSCHAKeee2: sure, I understand some of the advantages, it just brings an awful lot of funky problems to the table | 04:27 |
| w00t_ | personally I like it, at least in theory | 04:28 |
| w00t_ | in practice I can't use it because it horribly breaks spotify | 04:28 |
| w00t_ | and I like my music | 04:28 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | heheh | 04:28 |
| FatalSaint | how does meego boot? Why not just dd it to the internal 32GB one.. | 04:28 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: mmm.. don't know if kernel can boot off that chip | 04:28 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 is finishing up Pandora Radio support for LinuxMCE (thanks to the wonderful author of PianoBar) | 04:28 | |
| ScottishDuck | damn, need a way for m-i-c to give ubifs more leb_cnt | 04:28 |
| FatalSaint | it DOES have an rc.local.. | 04:29 |
| microlith | w00t_: should be possible | 04:32 |
| FatalSaint | TSCHAKeee2 - oh I see.. making my pyRadio useless huh :p | 04:34 |
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| FatalSaint | ok, adding the echo to rc.local worked @ w00t_ | 04:36 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: :-) | 04:36 |
| pwnguin | w00t_: ever tried bluetooth audio with alsa? | 04:36 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: able to get a vide, btw? | 04:36 |
| w00t_ | pwnguin: no, but also note that I said that I don't mind pulse | 04:37 |
| FatalSaint | vide? video? | 04:37 |
| w00t_ | yes | 04:37 |
| FatalSaint | it doesn't auto-rotate | 04:37 |
| FatalSaint | and i dunno if I can | 04:37 |
| FatalSaint | with no wifi, no 3G.. | 04:37 |
| w00t_ | I don't think accelerometer is loaded | 04:37 |
| w00t_ | well, no | 04:37 |
| w00t_ | but it'd be something to show tmo people | 04:38 |
| w00t_ | and it'd probably make you famous given nobody else has gotten it working on n900 yet :P | 04:38 |
| FatalSaint | haha.. pulling the keyboard out doesn't make the onscreen kb go away | 04:38 |
| pwnguin | not that youtube is sharing their advertising money | 04:38 |
| FatalSaint | i can add a wireless network.. | 04:40 |
| FatalSaint | but it doesn't connect.. | 04:40 |
| pwnguin | huh, apparently they started that last year, but it's invite only on undisclosed triggers | 04:40 |
| FatalSaint | most of the apps aren't running | 04:41 |
| FatalSaint | oh | 04:41 |
| FatalSaint | im just impatient | 04:41 |
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| FatalSaint | whooaaaa fennec is buggy | 04:42 |
| pwnguin | well | 04:42 |
| pwnguin | par for course | 04:42 |
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| FatalSaint | X crashed | 04:42 |
| FatalSaint | hehe | 04:42 |
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| w00t_ | FatalSaint: see tmo - your fans demand a video | 04:46 |
| w00t_ | :P | 04:46 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 04:47 |
| FatalSaint | should I just use a camera?? Always thought those looked tacky | 04:47 |
| w00t_ | yes, by all means | 04:47 |
| FatalSaint | made a post.. i really wish I could take actual screenshots on this device.. ugh | 04:48 |
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| ScottishDuck | OK | 04:50 |
| ScottishDuck | rebuilt image-creator so that it sets max_leb_cnt correctly | 04:50 |
| ScottishDuck | here goes... | 04:50 |
| FatalSaint | looks like I need to feed the wife first.. if nobody has followed in my footsteps i'll try and upload.. something.. tonight | 04:51 |
| lcuk | FatalSaint, i believe the phrase atm is: | 04:51 |
| lcuk | this thread is useless without pictures | 04:52 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 04:52 |
| lcuk | your wife can wait! | 04:52 |
| Termana | :P | 04:52 |
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| w00t_ | yes! | 04:53 |
| FatalSaint | I suppose I should write a step-by-step..... | 04:54 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: yeah, go for it | 04:54 |
| w00t_ | FatalSaint: put it on the MeeGo wiki | 04:55 |
| FatalSaint | i don't use wiki lol | 04:55 |
| w00t_ | oh c'mon | 04:55 |
| lcuk | FatalSaint, send a mail to ML then | 04:55 |
| w00t_ | yeah :P | 04:55 |
| w00t_ | or just pastebin it and I'll wikify it | 04:55 |
| lcuk | we need automatic console live feedback over irc | 04:55 |
| lcuk | so we can tune into your console session | 04:55 |
| lcuk | to rollitback | 04:55 |
| lcuk | :) | 04:55 |
| FatalSaint | i was going to post it on TMO | 04:55 |
| lcuk | and get instructions for people | 04:55 |
| FatalSaint | you guys can put it wherever after that | 04:55 |
| FatalSaint | haha | 04:57 |
| w00t_ | just make sure you put big warning blobs on the top | 04:57 |
| FatalSaint | launched App-up | 04:57 |
| w00t_ | otherwise silly people will doubtless try it | 04:57 |
| FatalSaint | "This is a placeholder for the MeeGo App-Up Application" | 04:57 |
| FatalSaint | silly people are going to try it either way.. but I always do :) | 04:57 |
| w00t_ | (and then proceed to WTF when they can no longer use their phone for anything usable) | 04:57 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and bitch, and complain, and spew trollage | 04:58 |
| FatalSaint | i do have to say | 04:58 |
| FatalSaint | of everything that doesn't work | 04:58 |
| FatalSaint | I am most disappointed with the lack of a terminal app. Seriously? What the hell were they thinking there? | 04:58 |
| w00t_ | "mass market usage" probably | 04:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ummm, compile xterm? ;) | 04:58 |
| FatalSaint | but on a dev release? | 04:58 |
| w00t_ | either that or a very stupid oversight | 04:59 |
| FatalSaint | for a dev device.. | 04:59 |
| w00t_ | tbh | 04:59 |
| w00t_ | the real reason is probably this: | 04:59 |
| w00t_ | they couldn't figure out how to get the screen brightness up, so figured, "oh well, nobody can use it anyway, why include a terminal" :D | 04:59 |
| FatalSaint | I could see removing when it goes mainstream... | 04:59 |
| FatalSaint | LMAO | 04:59 |
| FatalSaint | Well I showed them O.o | 04:59 |
| ScottishDuck | ubifs building | 04:59 |
| FatalSaint | rc.local ftw | 04:59 |
| ScottishDuck | here goes! | 04:59 |
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| ml-mobile | mmm | 05:00 |
| ml-mobile | comcast DIAF | 05:01 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | DIAF? | 05:01 |
| FatalSaint | Die in a Fire | 05:01 |
| ScottishDuck | just waiting for this ubifs build to fail for some other annoying reason :( | 05:01 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ah, yeah, I agree | 05:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | I am on Comcrap too | 05:01 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and it seems to systematically suck today | 05:02 |
| ScottishDuck | hmm... ubifs has reserved 4GB of space to build the image | 05:02 |
| ScottishDuck | not... good | 05:02 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | systemically rather. | 05:02 |
| ScottishDuck | >max_leb_cnt too low | 05:03 |
| ScottishDuck | AGAIN | 05:03 |
| ScottishDuck | rebuilding image-creator and trying again | 05:06 |
| ScottishDuck | ._. | 05:06 |
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| johnx | allo meego'ers | 05:14 |
| johnx | congrats on handset ux day one :) | 05:15 |
| ScottishDuck | ubifs building again... | 05:16 |
| ScottishDuck | SUCCESSSSSSSSSSS | 05:19 |
| ScottishDuck | sweet victory | 05:19 |
| johnx | woo! | 05:19 |
| johnx | what happened? | 05:19 |
| Termana | johnx, :P | 05:20 |
| johnx | hey Termana | 05:20 |
| ScottishDuck | actually got a n900 rootfs image to build | 05:20 |
| celsius_work | ScottishDuck: nice one! | 05:20 |
| johnx | alright. want me to flash it and see if it sets my n900 on fire? | 05:20 |
| GAN900 | Howdy, johnx | 05:20 |
| johnx | yo GAN900 :D | 05:20 |
| ScottishDuck | >516.4MB | 05:20 |
| ScottishDuck | wow | 05:20 |
| ScottishDuck | just... wow | 05:20 |
| celsius_work | haha | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | that's twice as big as the n900 can take ._. | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | all that work | 05:21 |
| celsius_work | ScottishDuck: don't suppose you want to upload the image? | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | ._. | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | sure | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | but it's useless | 05:21 |
| w00t_ | do't | 05:21 |
| w00t_ | *don't | 05:21 |
| w00t_ | closed source software on image -> not redistributable | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | ah | 05:21 |
| w00t_ | feel free to write instructions on how you did it | 05:21 |
| celsius_work | oh yeah :( | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | ofc | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | still | 05:21 |
| ScottishDuck | 516MB | 05:22 |
| w00t_ | and now stop distracting me so I can go to bed, bah | 05:22 |
| ScottishDuck | thats a lot of fat to trim | 05:22 |
| w00t_ | :P | 05:22 |
| johnx | eh, boot from sd is a better way to do dev&testing anyways | 05:22 |
| celsius_work | quick! While he is asleep, upload it! | 05:22 |
| celsius_work | :P | 05:22 |
| Termana | *cough* Upload it some where suspicious and give people the link privately *cough* | 05:22 |
| Termana | HOWS THE WEATHER OUT | 05:22 |
| Termana | :P | 05:22 |
| celsius_work | >_> | 05:22 |
| celsius_work | <_< | 05:22 |
| celsius_work | seamless.... | 05:22 |
| Termana | x_x | 05:22 |
| ScottishDuck | protip: the ubiimg can't be installed on the n900 | 05:23 |
| ScottishDuck | rootfs = 256MB - image = 516MB | 05:23 |
| celsius_work | run from MMC? | 05:23 |
| ScottishDuck | would need to build a raw image | 05:23 |
| Termana | Captain Obvious | 05:23 |
| Termana | Hes are hero | 05:23 |
| Termana | our* | 05:23 |
| Termana | Gonna take obviousness above 0 | 05:24 |
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| ScottishDuck | I've got a btrfs based ubiimg so far | 05:25 |
| ScottishDuck | will build a ext3, ext4 and raw | 05:25 |
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| ScottishDuck | but for now, sleep | 05:25 |
| celsius_work | night | 05:26 |
| ScottishDuck | I'll try and set a build going so I have a nice lineup of btrfs, ext4, ext3 ubiimg/raw ready to upload tomorrow | 05:27 |
| ScottishDuck | for private use | 05:28 |
| ScottishDuck | obviously | 05:28 |
| celsius_work | :) | 05:29 |
| celsius_work | I'll have to have a crack at an ext4 build tonight | 05:29 |
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| euroford | in the webpage, meego handset support N900 and moorestown | 05:41 |
| euroford | but in repo.meego.com, there are netboot img | 05:41 |
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| sevla | anyone actually around? | 05:59 |
| Xisdibik | possibly | 06:00 |
| sevla | I guess it depends on my question! | 06:00 |
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| Xisdibik | quite possibly! | 06:01 |
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| euroford | how can I test dailer in netbook image? | 06:02 |
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| sevla | I'm new to git, open source dev. etc.. But i'm rather experienced in c++, mfc etc.. I downloaded the nokia sdk and tried to compile some repo's on git but i have not been able to compile anything without receiving an error. | 06:04 |
| sevla | am i doing something wrong or are the repo's 'incomplete' | 06:04 |
| copyleft | sevla: what do you mean the nokia sdk? and how do you compile it? | 06:07 |
| sevla | sorry | 06:08 |
| sevla | the Nokia QT SDK for windows. | 06:08 |
| sevla | found here http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Tools/ | 06:09 |
| chriadam | sevla: firstly, #qt is a channel dedicated to helping people who have Qt related problems. secondly, without seeing a log or other output about the errors you're seeing, it's difficult to tell what might be the problem. | 06:11 |
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| copyleft | sevla: I think you may try the Qt Creator on Windows to develop QT Applications, but this is a wrong channel to discuss it. | 06:13 |
| sevla | Ok. ty | 06:13 |
| sevla | what is the main purpose of this channel? | 06:13 |
| chriadam | currently, I believe this channel is used mainly by people who want to develop MeeGo, rather than develop apps _for_ MeeGo (although I assume that's a valid use for the channel, if it's a MeeGo-specific question you have) | 06:15 |
| chriadam | but i'm certainly no expert. | 06:15 |
| sevla | Right. | 06:16 |
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| sevla | I'm also interested in helping to developing Meego (if that's even possible). Where should one start to get familiar with the process. | 06:17 |
| chriadam | sevla, probably the first thing would be to subscribe to the meego-dev mailing list, there's also a bunch of wiki's set up about porting to different platforms and whatnot. I guess it depends on exactly what you're interested in helping out with :-) | 06:18 |
| chriadam | mailing lists: http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists | 06:18 |
| sevla | thnks | 06:20 |
| chriadam | wiki: http://wiki.meego.com/Contributing_to_MeeGo | 06:20 |
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| sevla | i'm on the dev mailing list so i'll look more into that.. | 06:20 |
| sevla | thanks for the scond link | 06:20 |
| chriadam | no problem :-) | 06:20 |
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| microlith | is there a list of valid --arch parameters that can be fed to the image builder? | 06:58 |
| * microlith spies stuff at moblin.org | 06:59 | |
| FatalSaint | w00t_ | 07:01 |
| FatalSaint | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=4812#post4812 | 07:01 |
| FatalSaint | Wiki-fy if you want ;) | 07:01 |
| microlith | haha you got the builder to run on ubuntu, nice | 07:01 |
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| FatalSaint | Yeah.. i like keeping things native as possible.. | 07:02 |
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| microlith | and the arch parameter I was looking for :D | 07:04 |
| FatalSaint | :D | 07:04 |
| * microlith kicks off the image builder | 07:04 | |
| microlith | hmm | 07:05 |
| microlith | looks like I need to go buy an SD card tomorrow | 07:05 |
| microlith | heh | 07:05 |
| FatalSaint | Yeah you can't build an ubifs | 07:06 |
| FatalSaint | it won't boot | 07:06 |
| FatalSaint | makes me a little worried about the future of MeeGo on the N900 actually | 07:06 |
| microlith | right, comes out too huge | 07:06 |
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| FatalSaint | I guess it'll permanently be a flash-to-SD solution. Although, would be nice to build a kernel that boots to the internal 32GB instead of the External.. and using the flasher to permanently flash that kernel | 07:07 |
| FatalSaint | that would somewhat work.. just be running on the slower SD | 07:07 |
| FatalSaint | instead of internal flash | 07:07 |
| microlith | iirc, there was work being done in the mtd tree that would allow you to transparently merge devices | 07:07 |
| microlith | not sure if that'd do any good here | 07:08 |
| * FatalSaint shrugs | 07:09 | |
| FatalSaint | thats going to be Stskeeps department | 07:09 |
| microlith | I know AXFS can do it, but it's read-only and not in the kernel | 07:09 |
| FatalSaint | Despite trying my best to keep my expectations really low.. I still find myself disappointed. All the stuff that works on the Intel Beta Not-yet-released non-existent platform works fine.. | 07:11 |
| FatalSaint | nearly nothing works on the N900 | 07:11 |
| FatalSaint | that's .. crap. IMHO. | 07:11 |
| microlith | I'll give it a while | 07:11 |
| microlith | I'd rather be "still coming up" with this than "you'll get it when we drop it" with Android | 07:12 |
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| FatalSaint | Dialer doesn't launch, Lock doesn't launch, rotate doesn't work, No wireless.. | 07:13 |
| FatalSaint | The N900 really got the short end of the stick :( | 07:13 |
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| microlith | wow | 07:15 |
| microlith | that was faster than I thought it would be | 07:15 |
| microlith | although I shouldn't be surprised, this isn't Gentoo | 07:15 |
| FatalSaint | lol | 07:16 |
| FatalSaint | it downloads pre-compiled rpm binaries | 07:16 |
| FatalSaint | haha | 07:17 |
| FatalSaint | can only minimize two apps at a time | 07:18 |
| microlith | wait, does it start killing others, or just not opening them? | 07:18 |
| FatalSaint | hrm | 07:18 |
| FatalSaint | maybe it's just bugged.. i can't minimize it at all anymore | 07:18 |
| FatalSaint | oh I htink that's a known bug.. | 07:18 |
| microlith | ah | 07:18 |
| FatalSaint | wow.. awesome | 07:20 |
| FatalSaint | I launched Pictures, minimized, Settings, Minimized, Fennec... crash | 07:21 |
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| bef0rd | FatalSaint, it seems like nokia involvement is minimum, does'n it? at least on the 'technical' side | 07:37 |
| FatalSaint | Yes | 07:37 |
| FatalSaint | This very much has the impression of an Intel product | 07:38 |
| FatalSaint | Intel's platform is most complete, the UI has obvious Moblin/MeeGo netbook roots, and the N900 is... well.. isn't. | 07:38 |
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| mikeleib | FatalSaint: you're hitting bug#2600 with the home button | 08:28 |
| FatalSaint | I kinda figured these were part of the known issues.. thanks Mike | 08:29 |
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| mikeleib | The two apps at a time thing is odd. There isn't a limit on the number of apps you can run at once. The switcher gets a little wonky with more than two at a time, though. There are little dots that should indicate that you can keep panning to see more live-previews | 08:31 |
| FatalSaint | Ok.. I saw the little dots but lost the app | 08:31 |
| FatalSaint | one of them crashed | 08:31 |
| mikeleib | the live preview sometimes has issues getting updated | 08:31 |
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| mikeleib | if you install abrt, you should be able to gather backtraces from the apps that are crashing. | 08:32 |
| FatalSaint | ... | 08:32 |
| FatalSaint | hrm | 08:32 |
| FatalSaint | Maybe I can do that through a chroot. | 08:32 |
| FatalSaint | No way to do it when booted into MeeGo that I can tell tho | 08:33 |
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| mikeleib | I install openssh-server, abrt, and screen in the chroot | 08:33 |
| mikeleib | then I make a .desktop file that runs screen in detached mode | 08:33 |
| FatalSaint | openssh wouldn't do me any good | 08:33 |
| FatalSaint | no internet | 08:33 |
| mikeleib | :( | 08:33 |
| FatalSaint | won't connect to my wireless | 08:34 |
| FatalSaint | I figured wireless didn't work | 08:34 |
| mikeleib | I've heard that N900's are having wireless issues | 08:34 |
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| FatalSaint | the phone app doesn't launch at all.. is that expected too? | 08:34 |
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| FatalSaint | I thought it was supposed to open a dialer to play with | 08:34 |
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| mikeleib | it is | 08:35 |
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| mikeleib | phone-sim may need to be running | 08:35 |
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| FatalSaint | Hrm.. need abrt then to see why thats crashing. Why is there no terminal? I tried installing terminal in a chroot and it didn't work | 08:35 |
| mikeleib | also, the wifi bug is 3451 | 08:36 |
| mikeleib | xterm is there | 08:36 |
| mikeleib | there ought to be a .dkestop for it in /usr/share/fixup/applications (or similar) | 08:36 |
| mikeleib | if you copy it to /usr/share/applications, you will have xterm | 08:37 |
| FatalSaint | its not in the app list.. | 08:37 |
| FatalSaint | ah | 08:37 |
| FatalSaint | ok | 08:37 |
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| mikeleib | but! You may not be able to give it window focus or see it work at all | 08:37 |
| FatalSaint | rofl | 08:37 |
| mikeleib | the xfce terminal is probably a better bet. The gtk-im bridge works IIRC. | 08:38 |
| FatalSaint | Thunar? | 08:38 |
| FatalSaint | er | 08:38 |
| FatalSaint | thats the file manager | 08:38 |
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| mikeleib | I can't remember | 08:39 |
| mikeleib | I use an aava, and it has (mostly) working wifi | 08:39 |
| FatalSaint | yeah.. portrait mode works on that too :p | 08:39 |
| mikeleib | if USB works, you may be able to plug in a usb-ethernet device | 08:39 |
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| mikeleib | when you say portrait doesn't work, do you mean rotating the device to get it to change orientation? | 08:40 |
| FatalSaint | yes.. I hit every combination of keys I could think too.. | 08:40 |
| FatalSaint | never got the device to go portrait | 08:40 |
| mikeleib | cntrl-shift r | 08:40 |
| FatalSaint | ... I tried that... | 08:41 |
| FatalSaint | suppose I can try again later | 08:41 |
| mikeleib | all meego-touch apps should respond to cntrl-shift r | 08:41 |
| FatalSaint | what about the desktop tho | 08:41 |
| FatalSaint | I think I was on the home screen | 08:41 |
| mikeleib | it's a meego-touch based app as well | 08:41 |
| mikeleib | cntrl-shift f should give you a display of the fps | 08:42 |
| FatalSaint | Does Fennec get all scratchy on the Aava too? | 08:43 |
| FatalSaint | I held Ctrl+Shift and hit every letter lol | 08:43 |
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| mikeleib | fennec has issues... | 08:43 |
| FatalSaint | heh | 08:44 |
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| sabotage | FatalSaint: you trying this on N900 or Aava? | 08:52 |
| sabotage | ok, backlog seems to answer my Q | 08:53 |
| sabotage | in which case, er, I've no idea if phonesim and ofono are being configured together in N900 image | 08:53 |
| sabotage | on Aava images, /etc/ofono/modem.conf is configured to uncomment the phonesim modem simulator | 08:55 |
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| sabotage | if that's not done, dialer currently will not launch... kinda want's a modem that ofono says in powered | 08:55 |
| FatalSaint | Ah | 08:55 |
| sabotage | it's a bug | 08:55 |
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| FatalSaint | So is the N900 even really looked at? | 08:56 |
| FatalSaint | or is it all Aava? | 08:56 |
| chakie_work | what is aava? | 08:56 |
| Kaadlajk | www.aavamobile.com | 08:57 |
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| sabotage | BMC#1977 | 08:57 |
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| sabotage | FatalSaint: I know others do... but I don't have an N900 and if I can't test, I can't fix | 08:58 |
| sabotage | as the author... that becomes, um, somewhat important ;) | 08:58 |
| Kaadlajk | sabotage: do you have aava? | 08:59 |
| FatalSaint | Which I understand. Would have thought there would have been more people helping with it.. as it was supposed to be the ARM dev platform.. | 08:59 |
| sabotage | I'm sure my dialer though is way less mature than what is already availble (open or not idk) for Maemo and likely MeeGo from Nokia | 08:59 |
| sabotage | Kaadlajk: yes | 08:59 |
| Kaadlajk | sabotage: do you know what is the difference between EV2 and DV1 :P I seem to have DV1 | 09:00 |
| sabotage | FatalSaint: still working on the multi-platform testing/dev... | 09:00 |
| * sabotage asked for N* devs, none received yet | 09:00 | |
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| FatalSaint | from Nokia? or general? | 09:01 |
| chakie_work | Kaadlajk: thanks | 09:01 |
| sabotage | Kaadlajk: iirc, there was a touch screen change between them | 09:01 |
| sabotage | from Intel/Nokia... | 09:01 |
| Kaadlajk | sabotage: ok, one more question | 09:02 |
| FatalSaint | Hrm. Disappointing. | 09:02 |
| Kaadlajk | sabotage: is the battery status supposed to work? | 09:02 |
| sabotage | remember, I work for Intel, and we only recently got all the ARM builds working in OBS | 09:02 |
| Kaadlajk | sabotage: i am unsure if my device is charging | 09:02 |
| sabotage | but ATM, Nokia owns generating the N900 builds/images | 09:02 |
| FatalSaint | yeah.. cuz of the closed-source stuff? | 09:03 |
| sabotage | Kaadlajk: iirc, battery data comming from driver/kernel is bogus | 09:03 |
| thiago_home | if it turns off in a few hours and doesn't come back, it wasn't charging :-) | 09:03 |
| sabotage | when tested on various netbooks, it did, but on Aava, not yet | 09:03 |
| sabotage | FatalSaint: not folloing re: closed-source comment? | 09:03 |
| thiago_home | so it doesn't charge on aava? | 09:04 |
| * sabotage points to thiago_home's comment and confirms ;) | 09:04 | |
| sabotage | from experience | 09:04 |
| FatalSaint | sabotage: Nokia owns building the N900 images | 09:04 |
| thiago_home | to be on the safe side, keep it on the USB cable :-) | 09:04 |
| sabotage | used to be if you let it get that far, required re-soldiering a FW chip to get it to charge again o_O | 09:04 |
| sabotage | FatalSaint: yes, AFAIK, which is not all that much still | 09:05 |
| thiago_home | yup, at least on some Nokia devices that's what happened | 09:05 |
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| thiago_home | but with the Nokia devices, you can just find another device that has the same battery type and let it charge | 09:05 |
| thiago_home | can't do that with the aava... | 09:05 |
| sabotage | remember, two big Co's trying to do OSS *and* work together to do so is no small feat | 09:05 |
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| sabotage | esp since we both have hoards of laywers ;) | 09:06 |
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| thiago_home | though... that battery looks very much like the one on the N97 mini and N8 | 09:06 |
| FatalSaint | sabotage: Any ideas when a working ofono setup is planned to arrive? | 09:06 |
| Surfa | lawyers <3 | 09:06 |
| thiago_home | 3.7V | 09:06 |
| FatalSaint | sabotage: Understood about the complexities of businesses working together. | 09:06 |
| sabotage | FatalSaint: for what device? | 09:06 |
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| sabotage | hearing nothing... | 09:07 |
| FatalSaint | sabotage: Well, personally I'm interested in the N900 as the Aava doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned :p (no idea how to get one or if it's even possible)... but a working stack in either device is fine | 09:07 |
| sabotage | ofono is working now with several devices | 09:07 |
| sabotage | but the specific one in the Aava is being ported still | 09:08 |
| sabotage | it's an STE modem iirc | 09:08 |
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| Surfa | lawyers are only burden for everyone until there's disagreement :P then they look commas and dots and decide which party blew it up | 09:08 |
| Surfa | kind of insane | 09:08 |
| sabotage | I'm not actually sure what the modem in N900 is, but I know Nokia folks are very active contributors in ofono | 09:09 |
| sabotage | and I believe they wrote most/all of the isi implimentations | 09:09 |
| thiago_home | Nokia modems are completely different than anything else | 09:09 |
| Kaadlajk | thiago_home: yeah battery is similar to Nokia batteries, 1500mAh 3.7V | 09:09 |
| Surfa | thiago_home, not completely true, but partly | 09:10 |
| thiago_home | Kaadlajk: the question is what would happen if I put it inside an N97 | 09:10 |
| sabotage | which is the inspiration behind ofono actually (widely varying modems) | 09:10 |
| thiago_home | Kaadlajk: would it charge? would it blow up? | 09:10 |
| Surfa | thiago_home, if it has same voltage and it fits, it doesn't matter | 09:10 |
| Kaadlajk | thiago_home: the battery leads are in different order atleast :P | 09:11 |
| thiago_home | ok, "blow up" it is :-) | 09:11 |
| sabotage | ok, I gotta skip folks. Only popped in to see if there were questions I could help with | 09:11 |
| Surfa | thiago_home, you can even put physically mismatching batteries in if the connectors just match | 09:11 |
| mikeleib | one ought to be careful with those batteries. They make fire really well | 09:11 |
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| sabotage | but alas, the powers that be decided that Day One would be the perfect time to schedule office building moves... | 09:11 |
| FatalSaint | ty Sabotage | 09:12 |
| sabotage | so gotta get up early to set up my systems again | 09:12 |
| sabotage | np FatalSaint | 09:12 |
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| * mikeleib ought to do same.. good idea | 09:12 | |
| sabotage | I'm always on, just not always watching, so ping me if needed | 09:12 |
| thiago_home | besides "don't do I", what do we do if we discharge the battery? | 09:12 |
| thiago_home | "don't do it" | 09:12 |
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| Kaadlajk | i got some directions with copper tape and monsoon unit :) | 09:13 |
| Surfa | thiago_home, you could use external charger as with any other battery | 09:13 |
| Kaadlajk | also newer firmware version should charge the battery | 09:13 |
| mikeleib | are we talking aava or n900? | 09:13 |
| Kaadlajk | aava | 09:13 |
| Kaadlajk | atleast i am | 09:13 |
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| mikeleib | newer firmware does charge the battery | 09:14 |
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| mikeleib | I saw people that had stand alone battery chargers for such occasions | 09:14 |
| thiago_home | so just put the battery in and don't boot the device? | 09:14 |
| mikeleib | I never ran into the problem. It's been a long time since the fw didn't charge the battery. I even have an ev2 | 09:15 |
| mikeleib | you need to boot the device to get the firmware to load to charge the battery. ;P | 09:15 |
| thiago_home | I don't know what I have. I'll be in the office in a couple of hours... | 09:15 |
| mikeleib | pop the battery out and look at the back. it says | 09:15 |
| Kaadlajk | I know I have DV1 version | 09:16 |
| Kaadlajk | any ideas how i could know if the battery is charging? | 09:16 |
| thiago_home | will do when I'm there | 09:16 |
| Kaadlajk | other than letting the battery run out | 09:17 |
| mikeleib | the battery gets reasonably warm when charging | 09:18 |
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| Kaadlajk | whole device gets reasonably warm | 09:18 |
| mikeleib | often that warmth is from the CPU, but the battery gets noticeably warm when charging | 09:19 |
| mikeleib | IIRC, there's actually some files in /sys/ that say something or another about it | 09:20 |
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| mikeleib | zowy.. it's morning in .fi | 09:22 |
| johnx | yup. they live in our future | 09:23 |
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| Kaadlajk | hmm it might actually be charging | 09:26 |
| mikeleib | if flames come out, it's not ;-P | 09:26 |
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| johnx | but it might have been :D | 09:31 |
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| Kaadlajk | mikeleib: should the SSH work on default | 09:33 |
| Kaadlajk | mikeleib: atleast it tries to connect but i dont know the password | 09:33 |
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| mikeleib | user meego, password meego | 09:36 |
| mikeleib | root passwd also meego | 09:36 |
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| mikeleib | the images we make don't have the ssh server installed | 09:36 |
| mikeleib | I highly recommend installing ssh, abrt, and screen | 09:37 |
| Kaadlajk | hmm strange it still tries to connect to it :P | 09:37 |
| Kaadlajk | i am using the image from repos | 09:37 |
| mikeleib | does it time out? | 09:38 |
| thiago_home | how do you install something without ssh? :-) | 09:38 |
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| Kaadlajk | mikeleib: no, it says permission denied after entering the password | 09:38 |
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| mikeleib | Kaadlajk: are you sure you are sshing to the aava? | 09:39 |
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| Kaadlajk | mikeleib: tbh no :) | 09:39 |
| mikeleib | thiago_home: I mount the image loopback, and mic-chroot into the image | 09:39 |
| mikeleib | then I install things | 09:39 |
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| mikeleib | then I exit and umount | 09:39 |
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| mikeleib | oops. I forgot. I also make a screen.desktop | 09:40 |
| thiago_home | and then flash it? | 09:40 |
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| mikeleib | jah | 09:41 |
| mikeleib | I make the screen.desktop thusly: http://pastebin.com/Q5LhLBue | 09:41 |
| mikeleib | after I've dd'd the image, I boot it. I connect to wifi. I click on teh screen icon. Then I ssh in. I screen -dr | 09:42 |
| mikeleib | Then, I can run from commandline and inherit dbus creds and x creds and the like | 09:42 |
| mikeleib | lets me strace things and gdb them, etc | 09:43 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:07 |
| mikeleib | Night | 10:08 |
| whiteazboy | morning | 10:08 |
| breybrey | morning | 10:08 |
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| whiteazboy | anyone doing anything interesting? | 10:16 |
| Kaot | I'm just reading http://meego.com/community, especially the Section with IRC an "Real-time Interaction" ;) | 10:17 |
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| johnx | whiteazboy, building ff4.0b1 for linux/ppc and trying to figure out what's wrong with my pandora and why the wifi won't come up | 10:18 |
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| sx0n | IRC, best Finnish invention since ...<adhere> | 10:18 |
| whiteazboy | how come i never get the confirmation email when i register on meego.com? i can't get a username... (i've checked my junkmail) | 10:19 |
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| whiteazboy | cool johnx | 10:19 |
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| whiteazboy | what distro? | 10:19 |
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| Coke | Hehe. Googling for "qt for meego" makes google suggest "qt for maemo" :) | 10:20 |
| johnx | whiteazboy, about the pandora or ff4 for ppc? | 10:20 |
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| whiteazboy | johnx: nm, i got confused, i don't know what ff4.0b1 is, and i thought you said you are trying to get pandora working on your linux, so i asked what distro | 10:22 |
| whiteazboy | (it's early, need coffe :P) | 10:22 |
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| johnx | ah | 10:24 |
| johnx | except I have an openpandora :) | 10:24 |
| johnx | and ff4.0b1 is firefox 4beta1 which I'm compiling for my powerbook running linux | 10:24 |
| amjad | which linux?? yellow dog linux johnx?? | 10:25 |
| johnx | debian squeeze | 10:25 |
| whiteazboy | :) | 10:25 |
| amjad | ahh ok | 10:25 |
| johnx | compiled up my own kernel and all is working well, including fans and suspend/resume | 10:25 |
| Coke | What is the easiest/recommended way to test and debug MeeGo applications? | 10:25 |
| amjad | great | 10:25 |
| whiteazboy | johnx: i'm so much less technical than you haha | 10:25 |
| whiteazboy | i just figured out how to use irc :P | 10:26 |
| whiteazboy | i use linux mint | 10:26 |
| * johnx is typing at you from ubuntu | 10:26 | |
| whiteazboy | if i tried to compile my own kernel it would not be pretty | 10:26 |
| amjad | i was build engineer for yellow dog linux | 10:26 |
| amjad | compiled kernel many times | 10:26 |
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| johnx | amjad, ah cool. I bet YDL contributed a lot of the kernel tweaks that make my powerbook work so well :) | 10:27 |
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| johnx | so thanks :D | 10:27 |
| amjad | you are welcome | 10:27 |
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| Myrtti | myyh | 10:28 |
| Myrtti | moin | 10:28 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 10:28 |
| johnx | hey Myrtti :D | 10:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | johnx: you realize that firefox 4 beta 1 hasn't been released, right? | 10:29 |
| amjad | sadly though johnx, yellow dog linux is dead for ppc | 10:29 |
| johnx | fine. firefox 4.0 proposed beta 1 nightly | 10:29 |
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| thiago | humm... the announcement says Aava Mobile's DV1 and EV2 are supported | 12:24 |
| thiago | I have a DV2 | 12:24 |
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| CosmoHill | would DV1 run on DV2? | 12:25 |
| CosmoHill | like a CD would run in a DVD drive, that kinda backward compatibility? | 12:25 |
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| thiago | I wonder if I can flash the device with the image | 12:28 |
| thiago | I only have one micro SD card | 12:29 |
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| Aard | CosmoHill: I've been testing with a dv2 | 12:32 |
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| thiago | let me see if Marketing has some spare microSDs | 12:42 |
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| talonz | woooo yeah meego handset yeah yeah !!! | 13:00 |
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| thiago | does anyone know if it's possible to use the Aavas without a microSD? | 13:25 |
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| Kaadlajk | atleast the specification page doesnt talk anything about internal memory | 13:27 |
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| thiago | Disk /dev/nda: 7696 MB, 7696547840 bytes | 13:33 |
| thiago | I should be able to put it there... | 13:33 |
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| Kaadlajk | ok so there is internal memory :) | 13:34 |
| thiago | I could upload the image via the USB serial... | 13:35 |
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| thiago | I can transfer the image via the one microSD I have | 13:44 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: (and the rest of the ARM/N900 team) - a question about how you actually do development: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/003562.html | 13:50 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: since they're mostly doing h/w adaptation though.. that could well be what they do :-P | 13:52 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: also, Stskeeps is still gone for a few days more | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: True | 13:52 |
| * Jaffa wonders if anyone here works on the Handset UX itself then, and could answer it ;-) | 13:53 | |
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| petteri | there is #meego-arm where you can find n900 devs | 13:57 |
| petteri | channel that is | 13:57 |
| sx0n | should there be a meegotouch channel? i just created one. | 13:59 |
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| thiago | what filesystem type does the aava "sda" image have? | 14:42 |
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| CosmoHill | bfs or something doesn''t it? | 14:43 |
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| lbt | btrfs prolly | 14:44 |
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| CosmoHill | thats the one | 14:44 |
| * thiago is trying to mount it but can't | 14:45 | |
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| thiago | any hints to mount the .bin image? | 14:45 |
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| slaine | thiago: try my friends lomount.sh script, http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/lomount.sh | 14:46 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: nice | 14:47 |
| slaine | he's got lots of handy stuff up there | 14:47 |
| thiago | ha! it worked: | 14:48 |
| thiago | mount -o loop,offset=16384 ./sda /mnt/junk | 14:48 |
| slaine | cool | 14:48 |
| thiago | I'm inside | 14:48 |
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| slaine | he jist told me that most of those scripts are up on github now | 14:49 |
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| thiago | installing openssh-server | 14:51 |
| dnaumov | I wonder if this is a coincidence or not, yesterday during the meeting, I brought up a question regarding cooperation with finnish mobile operators. Today we got contacted :)) | 14:52 |
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| alterego | Is there a way to install meego daily snapshots on the SD card, and not have to flash the kernel? | 15:07 |
| alterego | Don't really want to have to keep flashing the kernel to boot between the two .. | 15:07 |
| ZogG | alterego try to use bootmenu-n900 as they use for nitdroid and if it works - tell us =)) | 15:08 |
| alterego | ZogG: yeah, was contemplating that :) | 15:08 |
| alterego | Okay, I'll give it a go. | 15:08 |
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| * alterego wonders how long it'll take to generate this image .. | 15:11 | |
| alterego | otoh, I can see a list of all the packages drifting upwards which might be slightly enlightening | 15:11 |
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| alterego | ZogG: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot#Dual_Boot_Fremantle_and_MeeGo_on_N900 | 15:24 |
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| ZogG | alterego the wierd thing is HERE | 15:25 |
| ZogG | it's not really an url | 15:25 |
| ZogG | the wiki is not finished | 15:26 |
| alterego | Well, that's for kexec I think .. | 15:26 |
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| alterego | I wish mic game more in the way of visual feedback whilst downloading packages. | 16:02 |
| alterego | It odesn't even say the one it's currently downloading, just posts a note when it's downloaded .. | 16:03 |
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| _Pete_ | howdy, is this good place to ask meego on aava ? | 16:04 |
| leinir | As good as any, i guess :) | 16:05 |
| _Pete_ | great! | 16:05 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:05 |
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| _Pete_ | followed this http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 16:05 |
| w00t_ | alterego: patch it to let you play a game of snake while it creates an image - the length of the snake could double as a progress bar | 16:05 |
| w00t_ | :) | 16:05 |
| alterego | w00t_: hahah, I love that idea :D | 16:06 |
| _Pete_ | but when try to boot Aava with that nothing happens | 16:06 |
| _Pete_ | moblin altough works on the same device | 16:06 |
| alterego | w00t_: I know what it's doing though, it's downloading that stupid "media-samples" package. | 16:06 |
| * X-Fade sees a lot of mentions of aava here. Wants one too :) | 16:07 | |
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| alterego | I thought it was a dev prototype .. Why do so many (sorry _Pete_) "newbs" have them? :D | 16:07 |
| alterego | w00t_: the freakin' "sample-media" package is 170M ... | 16:08 |
| w00t_ | X-Fade: you and me both | 16:08 |
| w00t_ | shame they aren't commercially available | 16:08 |
| alterego | Oh, did I mention I'm doing this over 3G connection through my N900 ... :D | 16:08 |
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| _Pete_ | btw just tried build image for vmware | 16:09 |
| _Pete_ | that is not working either | 16:09 |
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| alterego | The AAva is Atom? :/ | 16:11 |
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| _Pete_ | yes | 16:12 |
| alterego | Oh, Moorestown .. | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, sounds like what zx spectrum got eventually - playable game during long loading! | 16:17 |
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| alterego | Wooo, finished downloading all the packages :D | 16:29 |
| alterego | "Installin'" | 16:29 |
| thiago | I think I briked one of the Aavas | 16:30 |
| Kaadlajk | :P | 16:30 |
| Kaadlajk | i created image with SSH-server earlier today, took over 4hours to download the packages | 16:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:30 |
| Kaadlajk | guess the repos are in US | 16:30 |
| alterego | That's a long time | 16:30 |
| thiago | Kaadlajk: the openssh packages? | 16:31 |
| Kaadlajk | yep | 16:31 |
| alterego | Took me 45 minutes, | 16:31 |
| thiago | ouch | 16:31 |
| alterego | And I'm in the UK, using my mobile as a modem :P | 16:31 |
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| alterego | Still I get a decent 2Mb/s connection from it. | 16:31 |
| * thiago is in the office and zypper didn't do anything | 16:31 | |
| Kaadlajk | no idea why it was so slow, guess the corporate network was acting up | 16:31 |
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| Kaadlajk | atleast now the packages are cached :) | 16:32 |
| alterego | Yeah, I just did this so I could cache the packages, have a little look at the preview and generally poke around a bit | 16:32 |
| thiago | and now the other aava won't boot | 16:32 |
| thiago | it would help if there were tools for this | 16:32 |
| alterego | thiago: maybe you've been subject to an EM pulse that only targets Aava's :P | 16:33 |
| Kaadlajk | I got the Aava device + charger last week and only advice was note saying that current firmware MIGHT not charge the battery | 16:33 |
| Kaadlajk | "thanks" | 16:34 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:34 |
| alterego | Kaadlajk: who do you work for? | 16:34 |
| _Pete_ | Kaadlajk: is there any way to update firmware? | 16:34 |
| _Pete_ | just started to "play" with Aava today and didnt get it boot meego | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | Intel-based handsets | 16:35 |
| GAN900 | What a lark | 16:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | thiago: re tools: yeah, use a microscope with a light. It reminds me of a story that an old Commodore engineer told me, chip designers had gotten early versions of a video chip, there was a bad flaw in the chip preventing some of the address pins from working, but they needed to test to make sure the registers worked to push it into NTSC mode, so they used a microsoft, with a light, to push electrons on the chip to flip the registe | 16:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | rs. | 16:35 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 16:35 |
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| Kaadlajk | _Pete_: I am joonas btw, we talked earlier :P | 16:35 |
| _Pete_ | right :) | 16:35 |
| alterego | So, if the MeeGo image is currently 2G, does that mean Nokia are going to finally have to create a bigger than 256MB flash for rootfs :) | 16:36 |
| thiago | alterego: the N900 has 256MB+2G | 16:36 |
| thiago | it's just that the 256MB NAND flash is faster | 16:36 |
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| Kaadlajk | _Pete_: just managed to boot image with ssh before i left the office | 16:38 |
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| _Pete_ | Kaadlajk: http://quadcore.homeunix.net/~petria/tmp/20100701_001.jpg | 16:38 |
| _Pete_ | only get this with all meego images :/ | 16:38 |
| Kaadlajk | seems like the kboot and FW versions are the same atleast | 16:39 |
| Kaadlajk | i never had any problems | 16:39 |
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| timeless | x11 isn't working, and it keeps trying to send me from the primary vt to something which is probably where x11 would be | 16:52 |
| timeless | what's the meego equiv of root/rootme? :( | 16:53 |
| timeless | meego/meego works nicely, but it isn't in sudoers | 16:53 |
| timeless | ah root/meego :) | 16:53 |
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| timeless | hrm, does meego have a text mode installer? | 16:55 |
| w00t_ | not that I know of at least | 16:56 |
| * timeless wonders how to start the meego x11 session | 16:58 | |
| w00t_ | sacrifice chickens, and pray? (I think I just started X and it all magically worked, but I last experimented a long while ago) | 16:58 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 17:17 | |
| timeless | i told the meego installer that i wanted English US, why is the first time ui i see using a 24hr clock? | 17:18 |
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| w00t_ | timeless: people lack your attention to detail, of course | 17:21 |
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| timeless | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/meego/firstrun/date%20time.png | 17:27 |
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| timeless | so... | 17:28 |
| timeless | i'm now staring at a black screen of despair | 17:29 |
| alterego | backlight? | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | the story of my life | 17:31 |
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| Jartza | plopp | 17:32 |
| alterego | Yeah, great ... http://pastie.org/1026657 | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | goddammit, my terminal keeps opening the links in firefox | 17:36 |
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| timeless | so um | 17:38 |
| timeless | what do i do w/ my black screen of despair? | 17:38 |
| Myrtti | throw things at it? | 17:39 |
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| * timeless tried that | 17:39 | |
| * Myrtti gives timeless a cup of tea and a waffle | 17:39 | |
| * timeless tries sending it ctrl-alt-del | 17:39 | |
| Myrtti | magic sysrq might help if you can't do anything else | 17:39 |
| * timeless wonders how to do that w/ a laptop keyboard | 17:40 | |
| Myrtti | alt printscr in my Dell Latitude | 17:40 |
| timeless | sorry, macs don't have a printscreen key | 17:41 |
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| * lbt passes Myrtti a spare waffle and some syrup too | 17:44 | |
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| timeless | so, i rebooted, and now all i have is this strange light blue background with some wavy lines and a couple of circles | 17:45 |
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| Myrtti | linux magic | 17:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:52 |
| alterego | Is there any documentation on bootmenu-n900? | 17:53 |
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| alterego | Can I select a different kernel to boot, or am I stuck with whatever is in nand? | 17:53 |
| alterego | Woah, wrong channel :D | 17:53 |
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| lbt | alterego: not after yesterday | 18:00 |
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| timeless | can someone help me get meego to boot to a shell instead of a non working x? | 18:08 |
| alterego | timeless: sure | 18:11 |
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| TheBootroo | hello | 18:12 |
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| TheBootroo | i just installed meego 1.8 on a 4gb microsd card on my n900 but since the kernel loading is working only one time, i would want to know why even with bootmenu installed on maemo5 i can boot on mmc1. i have added a /etc/bootmenu.d/meego.ext.entry file but when i select it in bootmenu, nothing happend ..... HELP me please ! | 18:15 |
| alterego | timeless: try removing /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch | 18:16 |
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| timeless | that file just has 'user=timeless' ... | 18:18 |
| alterego | Really? | 18:18 |
| alterego | Oh, mine has a load of stuff. | 18:18 |
| timeless | really | 18:18 |
| alterego | Did you customise your image somehow? | 18:19 |
| timeless | um, i grabbed an iso from torrent land | 18:19 |
| timeless | and booted it | 18:19 |
| timeless | it let me have a graphical installer, and i chose defaults | 18:19 |
| timeless | when it was done, i got a non usefully booting system | 18:19 |
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| alterego | Oh, which UX are you using? | 18:20 |
| alterego | netbook? | 18:21 |
| timeless | yes | 18:21 |
| timeless | are there better options? | 18:21 |
| alterego | Well, I don't know what you're trying to acheive :) | 18:22 |
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| timeless | a 'meego' | 18:22 |
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| timeless | a birdee claimed that it was a single uniform platform | 18:22 |
| * timeless choked | 18:22 | |
| * timeless tried to smack the birdie, but it was too big | 18:22 | |
| GAN900 | Haaaa | 18:23 |
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| timeless | ok, i whacked a bit of the boot file system and now i have a shell | 18:24 |
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| Passeli | anyone knows if the raw image created by these instructions (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=757) is available somewhere to download? | 18:37 |
| Passeli | mic-image-creator does not work on my ubuntu | 18:37 |
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| mikeleib | It's possible to make it work on ubuntu. I've not done it, but I know sabotage has | 18:40 |
| mikeleib | I run mic on meego | 18:40 |
| Kaadlajk | i have ubuntu 10.04 running on vmware and mic works | 18:41 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 18:42 | |
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| timeless | just because you have ubuntu in vmware and can run mic doesn't mean that's an acceptable plan | 18:42 |
| * timeless has virtualbox on a mac and does not thing requiring people to download *another* virtual machine just to configure meego is acceptable | 18:43 | |
| Passeli | i got 9.10 and get following error: http://pastie.org/1026769 | 18:43 |
| * mikeleib works on meego. Mikeleib eats the dogfood | 18:43 | |
| mikeleib | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food | 18:44 |
| Kaadlajk | i wasnt telling him to install anything just stated that i got i working on ubuntu :-0 | 18:44 |
| Kaadlajk | whatever | 18:44 |
| timeless | mikeleib: and how was your dogfood prepared? | 18:44 |
| timeless | because i tried using the meego .iso, and it gave me a dud | 18:44 |
| timeless | and yes, i know vmware and co aren't officially supported | 18:44 |
| timeless | but i'm not going to sacrifice my corporate laptop to host meego as my only os | 18:45 |
| mikeleib | Kaadlajk: I'm not saying that getting it to work on ubuntu is a bad thing. I just didn't invest in it. | 18:45 |
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| mikeleib | I have a x61s that I run meego on. I also have several netbooks that I use from time to time | 18:45 |
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| mikeleib | but that's what I mean by dogfood. I do my development on the meego box. | 18:46 |
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| timeless | i consider doing dev work in a vm running the target os eating dogfood | 18:48 |
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| timeless | if it means that i suffer from most of the same things that i would suffer from if i were using metal | 18:48 |
| timeless | the alternative is doing cross compiles w/ sbox or OBS | 18:48 |
| timeless | which is not eating dogfood | 18:48 |
| timeless | unless your product happens to be sbox or OBS | 18:49 |
| timeless | (and iirc a couple of people here actually work on OBS) | 18:49 |
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| timeless | some people are paid to work exclusively on meego | 18:49 |
| timeless | some people may choose to work exclusively on meego | 18:49 |
| timeless | and some people are likely to be paid to work on something else in addition to wanting to do work w/ meego | 18:49 |
| timeless | i'd love to file bugs and fix them | 18:50 |
| timeless | but as meego is such a pain to set up w/o proper officially supported hardware | 18:50 |
| mikeleib | I'm not trying to say that not eating dogfood is inferior or wrong. I'm just stating that this is the way I do it | 18:50 |
| timeless | i'm almost better served working on symbian | 18:50 |
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| timeless | setting up symbian wasn't fun, but i did manage to do it (at least for a limited definition of setting it up) | 18:51 |
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| thiago | what does zypper mean with this: | 18:57 |
| thiago | Enter 'y' for 'yes' or 'n' for 'no' if nothing else works for you. [yes/no] (no): | 18:57 |
| mikeleib | zypper install yum | 18:57 |
| thiago | I think I bricked two Aavas trying to get the image working | 18:58 |
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| thiago | neither boot anymore | 18:58 |
| thiago | do you know of any recovery tools? | 18:58 |
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| GAN900 | timeless, just remember. 1.0 isn't actually anything of the sort. :P | 18:59 |
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| timeless | thiago: (no) presumably is a default | 19:00 |
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| mikeleib | I've yet to brick an aava. However, there are DV1's out there with firmware that is flakey | 19:01 |
| * sabotage stirs at the invocation of his nom | 19:01 | |
| ZogG | mikeleib so what is better aava or n900 =)) | 19:01 |
| mikeleib | I don't have an n900 | 19:02 |
| mikeleib | I couldn't say | 19:02 |
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| ZogG | i don't have aava =( | 19:02 |
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| thiago | mikeleib: both are DV2 | 19:03 |
| thiago | mikeleib: I put one in FW recovery mode and can't get it out | 19:03 |
| thiago | Jul 1 15:50:41 lothlorien kernel: usb 2-6: Product: MOORESTOWN | 19:03 |
| thiago | Jul 1 15:50:41 lothlorien kernel: usb 2-6: Manufacturer: INTEL | 19:03 |
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| * mikeleib doesn't have a DV2 :( | 19:03 | |
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| mikeleib | FW recovery mode sounds dangerous | 19:04 |
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| ScottishDuck | Just back from work | 19:05 |
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| Plan9flaps | !ops | BIKCMP has a message for YOU!: We need to remove laws which prohibit civilian ownership of rocket propelled grenades and mobile surface to air missiles to enable our patriots to overthrow the state in the event a tyrannical government takes power. | 19:05 |
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| thiago | I had expected it to boot normally after I removed the battery, but it doesn't come back | 19:05 |
| ScottishDuck | am I still the only person that has successfully created ubiimg for N900? | 19:05 |
| ScottishDuck | if yes, I'll get to work on documenting | 19:06 |
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| mikeleib | :( | 19:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | the moorestown platform is still very much a design in refinement... | 19:06 |
| sabotage | thiago: I had my ev1 seem to "brick" last week, then mysteriously it started working the next day | 19:06 |
| sabotage | my guess was heat issues | 19:07 |
| thiago | they're cool now | 19:07 |
| sabotage | even after two hours it would not boot | 19:07 |
| thiago | one of them doesn't boot (at all) | 19:07 |
| thiago | the other boots into FW recovery mode | 19:07 |
| sabotage | but 24 hours later, they did | 19:07 |
| sabotage | oh, never seen the FW recovery mode | 19:07 |
| ScottishDuck | Also, the n900 image I create is current 2x larger than the n900 can handle | 19:07 |
| thiago | though I thought I had used the OS recovery mode | 19:07 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i suspect it will be another 2 or three generations before the platform can realistically compete with the balance of the ARM and MIPS platforms... | 19:07 |
| ScottishDuck | so I'm going to try and trim it down | 19:07 |
| thiago | hold the VOL- and Camera buttons, press power | 19:08 |
| X86free | !ops | BIKCMP has a message for YOU!: Gotta Crap Rap: Poo knockin on the door, My rectum can't hold it no more. I firmly clench to keep it inside, but there's no defense for this poopy tide. My tighty whities stained with ass sweat, my quivering asshole hasn't given in yet. Holy shit I just felt a spurt, this is a disaster I could not avert. | 19:08 |
| sabotage | thiago: taken the battery out and let it cool? | 19:08 |
| thiago | yes, the battery has been out for 4 hours | 19:08 |
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| thiago | the other of course won't boot and it crashed in the middle of a dd operation | 19:09 |
| sabotage | will it boot with just power plugged in, no battery? | 19:09 |
| sabotage | are you dd-ing direct to the nand/flash? | 19:09 |
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| thiago | sabotage: from the device's busybox, into /dev/nda1 that I created | 19:09 |
| sabotage | we were instructed not to, as a failure would brick it ;) | 19:10 |
| thiago | it boots without battery | 19:10 |
| thiago | I didn't touch the bootloader (I think) | 19:10 |
| sabotage | so we dd to sdmicro cards and boot/run live images aTM | 19:10 |
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| thiago | didn't have any microSD available | 19:10 |
| thiago | but the internal flash had 8 GB, so I thought of making good use of it | 19:10 |
| thiago | anyway, no one told me not to do anything | 19:11 |
| thiago | there's no manual, no software, no anything | 19:11 |
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| thiago | the aava website is useless at this point | 19:12 |
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| sabotage | thiago: nod | 19:13 |
| sabotage | we didn't either | 19:13 |
| sabotage | only tribal knowledge, rumor and inuendo | 19:14 |
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| sabotage | which does you no good, I know | 19:14 |
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| thiago | the Nokia hardware we have access to also comes without instructions | 19:15 |
| thiago | or the instructions are somewhere in the vast forest that is the internal wiki | 19:15 |
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| thiago | but at least the flasher tool works (most of the time) | 19:16 |
| thiago | other times you have to talk to 10 people and try their magic incantations of "cold flash" | 19:16 |
| w00t_ | thiago: and, presumably, you can ring someone up and verbally assault them until it gets working | 19:16 |
| * thiago will call valtteri | 19:17 | |
| thiago | he's the one who sent me an email "we're getting some aavas, do you want some too?" | 19:17 |
| * CosmoHill blow up a Cisco 2900 XL (The U2 version) | 19:17 | |
| timeless | thiago: you're lucky | 19:18 |
| timeless | this week, the flasher tool was mostly *not* working here | 19:18 |
| timeless | (someone got clever) | 19:18 |
| thiago | timeless: I couldn't get it to work two weeks ago | 19:18 |
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| thiago | the device would power down during flashing of the rootfs | 19:18 |
| timeless | w00t: it's relatively ineffective | 19:19 |
| timeless | the best solution is to wait it out | 19:19 |
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| w00t_ | timeless: ringing people? | 19:22 |
| w00t_ | timeless: yeah | 19:22 |
| w00t_ | timeless: it's always an amusing way to pass time though | 19:22 |
| timeless | w00t: i prefer calling third parties | 19:22 |
| timeless | actually, this week was slow | 19:22 |
| timeless | i yelled at Chase Bank | 19:22 |
| w00t_ | phone me then | 19:22 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 19:22 |
| timeless | i yelled at IT for SEP | 19:22 |
| * timeless doesn't recally doing anything else | 19:22 | |
| timeless | s/y// | 19:22 |
| infobot | timeless meant: i elled at IT for SEP | 19:22 |
| timeless | s/y / / | 19:22 |
| timeless | s/ly/l/ | 19:23 |
| * timeless gives up | 19:23 | |
| CosmoHill | vim fail | 19:23 |
| w00t_ | s/s\/ly\/l\/// | 19:23 |
| timeless | nah | 19:23 |
| timeless | the fail was that it didn't apply it to actions | 19:23 |
| timeless | only statements | 19:23 |
| w00t_ | infobot fail | 19:23 |
| infobot | i guess fail is YOU FAIL. | 19:23 |
| w00t_ | .. | 19:23 |
| w00t_ | :P | 19:23 |
| * w00t_ notes that infobot is becoming sentient and accelerates plans against skynet | 19:24 | |
| CosmoHill | or maybe it will open a Muffin stand in Second Life | 19:24 |
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| * timeless ponders | 19:33 | |
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| * CosmoHill wonders | 19:34 | |
| * lbt knows | 19:35 | |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | <.<M | 19:35 |
| * w00t_ cogitates | 19:35 | |
| CosmoHill | ah!, there is an M in my eye | 19:35 |
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| timeless | hrm, ihave a core for moblin-power-icon | 19:35 |
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| * timeless ponders | 19:38 | |
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| ScottishDuck | Does the current meego codebase have a lot of debug code y/n | 19:39 |
| * timeless isn't sure the "meego codebase" is that interesting | 19:40 | |
| timeless | meego has a lot of upstream components | 19:40 |
| timeless | and the amount of debug code in upstream components is probably uninteresting | 19:40 |
| timeless | but once you've ruled out the upstream bits | 19:40 |
| timeless | it's unclear that there's much worth thinking about | 19:41 |
| ScottishDuck | Well I'm just trying to slim down the n900 image so it actually fits on rootfs | 19:41 |
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| timeless | that leaves you w/ mostly a window manager, and a graphical toolkit | 19:41 |
| timeless | well, you could use 'file' to find out if stuff is stripped | 19:41 |
| timeless | note that there are two kinds of debug things | 19:42 |
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| timeless | debug code (if (bad) { fprintf(STDERR, "EEP!\n"); }) | 19:42 |
| timeless | debug symbols (for when you crash) | 19:42 |
| ScottishDuck | Previous ubiimg size: 516MB - New ubiimg size: 510.5MB | 19:43 |
| ScottishDuck | :( | 19:43 |
| timeless | heh | 19:44 |
| timeless | personally, i'd look into dropping most of the locales | 19:44 |
| timeless | it's typically an easy win | 19:44 |
| timeless | and check to see if meego includes /usr/share/doc | 19:44 |
| timeless | maemo doesn't | 19:44 |
| ScottishDuck | it doesn't have docs | 19:45 |
| ScottishDuck | it's just a big ass OS | 19:45 |
| ScottishDuck | possibly the kernel has a lot of fat | 19:45 |
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| * timeless ponders | 20:09 | |
| timeless | Repository meego-non-oss-debuginfo is listed more than once in the configuration | 20:09 |
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| * timeless wonders about directions to install kernel headers | 20:11 | |
| timeless | yum install kernel-headers.i586 ? | 20:11 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 20:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I have installed the kernel headers on meego | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | i think I did zypper search kernel-headers | 20:12 |
| * timeless tries yum install kernel-headers kernel-devel gcc | 20:13 | |
| timeless | ...and yum install make | 20:14 |
| timeless | ok, i don't have /usr/src/kernels/<anything> | 20:15 |
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| timeless | how do i get the source for the kernel i'm using? :) | 20:17 |
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| * timeless pokes gan900 | 20:20 | |
| timeless | halp? | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | What? | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | I don't do MeeGo | 20:20 |
| timeless | ah | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | Unless there's something you'd like me to whine about or somebody you'd like me to harass for a while, I'm not much use at the moment. :P | 20:21 |
| timeless | how about poking the intel guy who hasn't documented the kernel source stuff in about a month | 20:21 |
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| * timeless wonders how one figures out what files contribute to /etc/yum.repos.d | 20:26 | |
| andyross | timeless: "rpm -qf file_you_are_interested_in" | 20:27 |
| timeless | thanks :) | 20:27 |
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| Iraqi | hellooooooooooo | 20:37 |
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| timeless | ok, the trick is to install kernel-netbook-devel.i586 / kernel-netbook.i586 | 20:46 |
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| * timeless kicks something from meego | 20:53 | |
| timeless | it keeps trying to switch me to vt7 or something | 20:53 |
| Iraqi | is meego can install on laptop HP? | 20:55 |
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| timeless | gan900: http://wiki.meego.com/Kernel_Process_Obsolete#Kernel_Process_Changed <- smack that guy :) | 20:58 |
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| w00t_ | actually, it probably is about time to ask what's up with that | 20:58 |
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| timeless | hey | 21:02 |
| timeless | is meego closer to arch, redhat, suse, gentoo, or lfs | 21:02 |
| timeless | wrt boot system | 21:02 |
| digitalsurgeon | is meego going to use rpms ? | 21:02 |
| digitalsurgeon | not debs ? | 21:02 |
| timeless | digitalsurgeon: there's a faq for that | 21:02 |
| w00t_ | timeless: I think it's a bit of a mix and match, isn't it? | 21:03 |
| timeless | w00t: i just need to know whose init script style | 21:03 |
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| timeless | i think lfs | 21:03 |
| timeless | . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions | 21:03 |
| w00t_ | that I don't know | 21:03 |
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| slaine | timeless, correct | 21:05 |
| slaine | oldschool redhat | 21:06 |
| slaine | (seeing as fedora et al are using upstart these days) | 21:06 |
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| timeless | hrm | 21:07 |
| timeless | how do i match this | 21:07 |
| timeless | the path i pick tried to use loadproc and echo_ok | 21:07 |
| slaine | they also seem to have the chkconfig and service tools | 21:07 |
| timeless | which got it penalized | 21:07 |
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| slaine | how do you mean penalized ? | 21:08 |
| timeless | errors :) | 21:08 |
| slaine | lol, right | 21:08 |
| timeless | oh, i wanted to use redhat, not lfs | 21:08 |
| * timeless = stupid | 21:08 | |
| slaine | not sure meego has lfs modules | 21:09 |
| slaine | it probably should though, being a linux foundation project | 21:09 |
| slaine | cough cough | 21:09 |
| * timeless marks it as redhat and moves along | 21:09 | |
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| slaine | probably | 21:09 |
| slaine | best | 21:09 |
| timeless | woohoo | 21:09 |
| timeless | started services | 21:09 |
| slaine | cool | 21:10 |
| timeless | happy joy happy joy | 21:10 |
| digitalsurgeon | timeless: faq url | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | who's joy and why is she so happy? | 21:10 |
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| slaine | timeless: I loved ren and stimpy | 21:10 |
| timeless | it's supposed to be happy happy joy joy | 21:10 |
| digitalsurgeon | oh ok | 21:10 |
| timeless | but sequencing is hard :) | 21:10 |
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| slaine | bbl | 21:11 |
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| timeless | wah, failed to load video module | 21:13 |
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| timeless | oh heh | 21:13 |
| timeless | editing 2/3 scripts isn't very effective | 21:14 |
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| timeless | could not open framebuffer: No such device | 21:16 |
| timeless | Could not open -p | 21:16 |
| timeless | eww :( | 21:17 |
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| * timeless sighs | 21:25 | |
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| timeless | well | 21:26 |
| timeless | vbox shared folders work | 21:26 |
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| * timeless still doesn't have x11 working | 21:28 | |
| * timeless should mount the moblin2.1 image and compare the vbox scripts | 21:28 | |
| timeless | (that's cheating) | 21:28 |
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| timeless | looks like for moblin i only patched 1/3 files :( | 21:32 |
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| ScottishDuck | so... what are the options for making a 500+MB OS work on the n900 | 22:36 |
| ScottishDuck | would it be possible to put the os core in rootfs and have the rest of the OS in internal storage? | 22:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | ScottishDuck: some unionfs tricks could be used | 22:39 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | unionfs, aufs, whatever | 22:39 |
| ScottishDuck | yeah | 22:39 |
| ScottishDuck | I think we can say now though, it's clear the os will never fit on rootfs | 22:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | throw in squashfs if you want to squeeze things | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | ScottishDuck, what the holy heck takes up the space? | 22:50 |
| ScottishDuck | no idea | 22:50 |
| ScottishDuck | I'm going to look at the package sizes later | 22:50 |
| lcuk | that seems awesomely extreme | 22:51 |
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| thiago_home | ScottishDuck: use the 2 GB eMMC | 22:51 |
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| ScottishDuck | what 2GB eMMC? | 22:53 |
| ScottishDuck | I thought it was just the 256MB eMMC and the 32GB internal SD | 22:53 |
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| slaine | evening all | 22:53 |
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| slaine | how's everyones meego on n900 efforts going ? | 22:54 |
| thiago_home | ScottishDuck: well, 2 GB of the 32 GB are partitioned for Unix use | 22:54 |
| thiago_home | not user use | 22:54 |
| slaine | I see that it does actaully work, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CEL3qryAQg | 22:54 |
| ScottishDuck | oh right yeah | 22:54 |
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| slaine | anaZ: you got a minute ? | 22:56 |
| slaine | anaZ: actually, sorry, it's fine. | 22:56 |
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| tripzero | hmm.. looks like system-ui either isn't running or crashed in that video | 23:09 |
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| villev | Hi didn't like his N97: http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2010/07/symbian-guru-com-is-over.html | 23:49 |
| villev | s/Hi/he/ | 23:49 |
| infobot | villev meant: he didn't like his N97: http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2010/07/symbian-guru-com-is-over.html | 23:49 |
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